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In Russia, have tested the tractor for heavy missiles

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The Center for the operation of ground-based space infrastructure, together with the design bureau Motor, carried out tests of a KAMAZ-78504 tractor unit designed to tow trailers loaded from 90 to 165 tons. At the same time, tests of a semi-trailer were carried out, in which heavy ballistic missiles can be transported and delivered to mines, reports N + 1.



The development of KAMAZ-79504 and semitrailer for it is carried out in the framework of the project "Platform-O". The program provides for the creation of a family of vehicles that will be used in the troops as strategic rocket complexes, including heavy ones, for transporting military equipment, carriers of mobile hostels, communications centers, command posts and headquarters.

Tests of the KAMAZ-78504 truck tractor with the 8х8 wheel formula and the semi-trailer were carried out in Volzhsk in the Republic of Mari El. It is argued that they were recognized as successful and that the new machine may soon be adopted by the arms of Russia. Other details regarding the tests of technology are not given, and its technical characteristics are not disclosed. It is known that the truck tractor received all the swivel wheels. This increases the maneuverability of the machine, allowing it to move sideways or turn around with a small radius.

In turn, the semi-trailer received a partial power take-off system from the power plant of the tractor, thanks to which the drive and its wheels are realized. The semi-trailer with a loading and charging installation is equipped with a remote control and can function autonomously, loading and unloading carriers. The drive of the mobile elements of the semi-trailer is hydraulic, including the drive of the coupling device with the tractor and the locking system near the rocket shaft. The KamAZ-78504 machine was first publicly demonstrated at the 9 Victory Parade in May 2017.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 14 August 2017 19: 43
    +7
    Tests of rocket tractor K-73504 and semi-trailer developed by FSUE "TsENKI"

    August 12 2017 wassat
    True in the photo and video section: Probably someone did not immediately understand feel

    And the video from there! Deja vu? bully
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 14 August 2017 19: 51
      +10
      Yeah, if only the Russians don’t have to build normal roads, they’ll always invent something .. (just kidding) Serious tractor .. Now it's up to the rockets!
      1. Monos
        Monos 14 August 2017 20: 00
        +25
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        Yeah, if only the Russians don’t have to build normal roads, they’ll always invent something.

        laughing
        1. Damir
          Damir 15 August 2017 08: 53
          +1
          yes ... "- Fools destroy Russia, and save roads, - Nick grumbles under his breath. -
          Russian patriot, say no to the autobahn! For only native impassable dirt
          intercede for you in a dashing year. And the enemies with all their Leopards and Abrams will drown in it ...
          “... and Merkavas,” I assent. - Are you serious about the dirt or the fool
          are you lying around? (c) O.I. Divas "Paranoid Nikanor"
      2. Logall
        Logall 14 August 2017 20: 03
        +22
        Tatars generally well done! Give them a gun, and they will "execute" any platform under it!
        At least something from the domestic auto industry can truly be proud of!
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. Logall
            Logall 14 August 2017 21: 28
            +25
            By the epithet “Tatars” I mean the automobile plant “Kamaz”. I don’t mean any nationality ...
            1. DOCTOR ZLO
              DOCTOR ZLO 14 August 2017 21: 42
              +4
              Quote: Logall
              By the epithet “Tatars” I mean the automobile plant “Kamaz”. I don’t mean any nationality ...

              The first KAMAZ trucks left the ZIL assembly line, and under the ZIL design bureau they were developed ...
              1. Logall
                Logall 14 August 2017 21: 48
                +19
                I know Seryozha, I am now from the ZIL plant, I am making a park. LCD park of legends. Parks are more expensive than factories ...
                1. DOCTOR ZLO
                  DOCTOR ZLO 14 August 2017 22: 11
                  +6
                  Quote: Logall
                  I know Seryozha, I am now from the ZIL plant, I am making a park. LCD park of legends. Parks are more expensive than factories ...

                  And I was finishing college in front of the army Zilovsky (I went through the practice in the New Body Building in an electrician brigade, this building was redone for something, and everything was zero there, it was only launched in 93, when I went around the "grids" I saw how robots work in welding ), and after half a year of service in the army I found out that ZIL stood up to never earn anymore ...
                  A friend told how from a wall gap from the Old Body (where until the last 130 they used to do) with a bulldozer, they pulled CNC machines out onto the street ....
                  My city is not lucky, then the Communists will break all the churches, then the liberals ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 23: 52
                    +3
                    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                    this building was redone for something, and everything was zero there, it was only launched in the 93rd, when I went around the "grids" and saw how I work welding robots),

                    Cabs 4331?
                    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                    A friend told how from a wall gap from the Old Body (where until the last 130 they used to do) with a bulldozer, they pulled CNC machines out onto the street ....

                    The last 130s were no longer going very well. In terms of bodywork. Marriage was enough. That locks, then the hoods. Or maybe it's just us ZIL soldered substandard. request
                    1. DOCTOR ZLO
                      DOCTOR ZLO 16 August 2017 22: 30
                      +2
                      Mordvin 3 Cab 4331?

                      And not only that. They were in a suspended state moving along the conveyor with a serpentine, I rode into them with classmates during internship during lunch, some cabins were with "spalks" ....
              2. self-propelled
                self-propelled 14 August 2017 22: 13
                +2
                Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                The first KAMAZ trucks left the ZIL assembly line, and under the ZIL design bureau they were developed ...

                the first “KAMAZs” appeared thanks to “ZIL” (The prototype of the future KAMAZ was developed in Moscow, at the Likhachev Plant and was originally called ZIL-170. It was intended to appear to be a quick replacement for the 130 ZIL, which had been on the assembly line since September 1962.) , but was not produced on the ZiL conveyor !!!
                1. DOCTOR ZLO
                  DOCTOR ZLO 14 August 2017 22: 43
                  +2
                  [quote = self-propelled] [but was not produced on the ZiL conveyor !!! !!! [/ quote]
                  [quote] quote = DOCTOR ZLO] The first KAMAZ trucks left the assembly line ZiL, and with KB ZIL they were developed ... [/ quote]
                  the first KAMAZs appeared thanks to ZIL (the prototype of the future KAMAZ was developed in Moscow, at the Likhachev Plant and was originally called ZIL-170. It was designed to appear to be a quick replacement for the 130 ZIL, which had been on the assembly line since September 1962.) , [/ quote]
                  http://fb.ru/article/277501/istoriya-kamaza-inter
                  esnyie-faktyi

                  What to me, my teachers, masters of industrial training to lie, for the sake of +++ on this forum?
                  1. self-propelled
                    self-propelled 15 August 2017 00: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                    What to me, my teachers, masters of industrial training to lie, for the sake of +++ on this forum?

                    It's not about +++. perhaps you will be older than me and have more reliable information. I write that I "scooped out" from common sources. but, as far as I know, ZIL-170 NEVER was produced on the conveyor hi (for bookworms, I know there are such on the site, I mean the conveyor of the ZIL plant)
        2. cerbuk6155
          cerbuk6155 14 August 2017 21: 09
          +3
          And where does the Tatars. At their production about 5%. But in the development at all.
          1. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT 14 August 2017 21: 21
            +3
            Quote: cerbuk6155
            And where does the Tatars. At their production about 5%. But in the development at all.

            Not in development, but ambition as in Ukraine ..!
            1. aws4
              aws4 14 August 2017 23: 23
              +9
              Yes, you are an expensive incendiary between ethnic hatred .. and even between the closest peoples in the Russian Federation ... Russian and Tatar brothers forever ... I ask the site administration to pay attention to this subject ....
        3. aws4
          aws4 14 August 2017 23: 26
          0
          this is not interesting ... as it was discussed that on Kamaz a huge number of components not of our production .. the question is ripening - is this monster domestic? all the same machine for the Strategic Rocket Forces
      3. marshes
        marshes 14 August 2017 20: 54
        0
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        Yeah, if only the Russians don’t have to build normal roads, they’ll always invent something .. (just kidding) Serious tractor .. Now it's up to the rockets!

        And the Russians travel to the national Finugor regions laughing
        Where do Russians live? laughing
      4. medvedron
        medvedron 15 August 2017 03: 05
        +1
        Indeed, in your opinion everything needs to be uprooted and paved.
    2. Zibelew
      Zibelew 14 August 2017 19: 51
      +22
      Seeing a new tractor, somewhere in Minsk one Belarusian But father let a mean male tear.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 14 August 2017 20: 37
        +9
        But father’s to show off .. He will show the Belarusian Maidan, they will remove the scalp and skin from him, and the United States will give Trump a drum. The figure is "mighty"!
        1. andr327
          andr327 14 August 2017 20: 57
          +5
          Repeat news, where admins look, or someone earns points.
          Impressive of course a semi-trailer. The thing is certainly wonderful and necessary, though what a gain will give 8-10 hours in the entire process of loading-transportation-installation of future Sarmatians. It’s a very expensive question to apply to old complexes (where to put old equipment?).
          If the work continues, the question of bringing it is still oh how long. And so the machine MZKT 5-7 years will be out of competition.
          But no matter what, the work must be continued. It is not good for our country to have dependence on foreign suppliers, albeit friendly ones. The school of heavy automotive industry must be created!
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 14 August 2017 21: 22
            +1
            Haha MZKT is already not so uncontested?
          2. self-propelled
            self-propelled 15 August 2017 00: 40
            +2
            Quote: andr327
            If the work continues, the question of bringing it is still oh how long. And so the machine MZKT 5-7 years will be out of competition.

            Yes, and let it go. 5-7 years are not such long periods, and the question of import substitution (even for goods from fraternal Belarus) has not been canceled (otherwise, today, Butsk expressed his desire to turn to Russia before, and tomorrow to turn his ass) ...
          3. War_Child_83
            War_Child_83 15 August 2017 02: 47
            +2
            Quote: andr327
            It is not good for our country to have dependence on foreign suppliers, albeit friendly

            The author of the quote "We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its" centipedes "and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and on health! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent! "© neutral (but by no means friendly) to the first serious bad-boom. This citizen is painfully crafted, and he is trying to sit on three chairs. It doesn’t happen.
          4. RomanRVV
            RomanRVV 15 August 2017 16: 13
            0
            What's the problem? On this platform, make docking assemblies for the launcher and guides for TPK, compatible with those available in operation and forward.
      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled 14 August 2017 22: 21
        +6
        Quote: Zibelew
        Seeing a new tractor, somewhere in Minsk one Belarusian But father let a mean male tear.

        At one time, when they offered to buy the MZKT for good money, But father shouted that the public property was not for sale (or rather, it was for sale, but for a lot of money). when they refused big money, But father shouted that Russia had neither production nor brains to create machines like the Belarusian ones. in the end, it turned out that Russia has both brains and the ability to produce. request
        as I understand the MZKT shares in price lost maleho
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 15 August 2017 23: 09
          0
          Quote: self-propelled
          as I understand the MZKT shares in price lost maleho

          Rather grown.
          In general, this type of machine has not been produced in Minsk for 60 years already.
      3. demos1111
        demos1111 15 August 2017 06: 12
        +1
        Yes, there is one. And the tear is not alone. On the MZKT, the entire MAZ is held.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 14 August 2017 19: 43
    +6
    I’d like to hear the opinions of those who claimed that the Platform O project had failed ...
    1. Gronsky
      Gronsky 14 August 2017 22: 43
      +3
      Pleasantly impressed by the young age of the guys-engineers. Thank God there are young people in the defense KB, I hope that not at the posts bring-submit. After completion of development and adoption, they wouldn’t have any kind of state bonus to throw, to feel fatherly care and the value of their work for their homeland.
  3. svp67
    svp67 14 August 2017 19: 46
    +13
    Well, well, something like this was to be expected after 2014. Forgive the "sabers." Russia is not angry with you, it just needs to concentrate now ....
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 14 August 2017 19: 53
      +12
      We forgive ... And we are already meeting echelons with personnel of the Russian Armed Forces arriving for joint exercises. Today I was driving to work past this one. The windows of the cars are curtained, in the vestibules sleepy fighters in vests. And on the platform a guard in full ammunition smile
      1. marshes
        marshes 14 August 2017 20: 58
        0
        Quote: Thrall
        Goodbye

        Why are you so?
        How to live in that country, if there is nothing to offer?
  4. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 14 August 2017 19: 47
    +8
    Maybe now the "Potato Fuhrer" will calm down, and will behave appropriately.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 14 August 2017 19: 50
      +15
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      Maybe now the "Potato Fuhrer" will calm down, and will behave appropriately.

      It is after your inadequate message?
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 14 August 2017 19: 56
        +7
        Why inadequate? I have nothing wrong with Belarus.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 14 August 2017 20: 13
          +3
          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          I have nothing wrong with Belarus.

          Which 90 percent support their Old Man.
          1. KGB WATCH YOU
            KGB WATCH YOU 14 August 2017 20: 25
            +16
            Which 90 percent support their Old Man.

            Yes, I’m not against it. I’m not a citizen of Belarus.
            But when I hear: "Why do you need 10 of your planes near Bobruisk? (This is a question for Russia and the Russians). Give me 20 better, we have wonderful pilots here, we are fighting no worse than you, etc ..."
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqHXXhlSxk4 (слушать с 1:00)
            Well, firstly: Does he give us his MAZs or sell them to us? Or tank sights Pine-U? With which, should we give him combat aircraft, which cost $ 50 million apiece? You will say that we have a military alliance. I agree, but!
            What kind of Belarusian pilots who fight no worse than Russian ones are he talking about? About those who have 26 years of no combat experience? Russia at that time passed: 2 Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Syria. Special thanks to Alexander Grigorievich for the recognition of Abkhazia, Ossetia and Crimea.
            Do not be offended, of course, maybe AG and a good leader, but only for residents of the Republic of Belarus.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 14 August 2017 20: 45
              +1
              Pine U sights are made in Russia. Belorussian development .. But you have already improved ... You have called the President .. and not the “potato Fuhrer”
              Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
              Which 90 percent support their Old Man.

              Yes, I’m not against it. I’m not a citizen of Belarus.
              But when I hear: "Why do you need 10 of your planes near Bobruisk? (This is a question for Russia and the Russians). Give me 20 better, we have wonderful pilots here, we are fighting no worse than you, etc ..."
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqHXXhlSxk4 (слушать с 1:00)
              Well, firstly: Does he give us his MAZs or sell them to us? Or tank sights Pine-U? With which, should we give him combat aircraft, which cost $ 50 million apiece? You will say that we have a military alliance. I agree, but!
              What kind of Belarusian pilots who fight no worse than Russian ones are he talking about? About those who have 26 years of no combat experience? Russia at that time passed: 2 Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Syria. Special thanks to Alexander Grigorievich for the recognition of Abkhazia, Ossetia and Crimea.
              Do not be offended, of course, maybe AG and a good leader, but only for residents of the Republic of Belarus.
              1. KGB WATCH YOU
                KGB WATCH YOU 14 August 2017 20: 49
                0
                Pine U sights are manufactured in Russia. Belorussian development.

                Well, the license is not free? laughing
                Okay, let's stop focusing on the "Potato Fuhrer." Perhaps this is my unsuccessful hyperbole. On Sunday I watched a video from Lukashenko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqHXXhlSxk4), so anger will not let me go wink
              2. marshes
                marshes 14 August 2017 21: 02
                0
                Quote: 210ox
                Pine U sights are manufactured in Russia. Belorussian development.

                Here, the South Korean Matrix with optics that is produced in Kazakhstan and then sent to Belarus is trickier, but from there to Russia.
                And so the Turks ASELSAN. laughing
          2. cerbuk6155
            cerbuk6155 14 August 2017 21: 17
            +1
            I respect Belarusians very much. And many have many relatives there. But Lukoshenko is something. You can’t betray your own - RUSSIA. What is he hoping for. thinks that Merkel will give him a house in Liberia. I am in shock.
          3. Toliant34
            Toliant34 15 August 2017 22: 07
            0
            90%, well, except that such yak you, granddaughters ... pulling and. Selling ...
    2. Aleksey7777777
      Aleksey7777777 14 August 2017 19: 54
      +16
      Now the Brothers of Belarusians will tear and throw, but personally, with this wording (POTATO FUHER), I agree one hundred percent ... It’s already checked, I’ll hand it over and don’t frown ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 August 2017 21: 14
        +4
        Quote: Aleksey7777777
        Now the Belarusians will tear and throw,

        Why not? We don’t tear and swing when they created the RZSO Polonaise ... Belarusian tractors and will continue to be used by us, and this KAMAZ truck in the coming years will not be able to replace the entire line of tractors in the army.
      2. Toliant34
        Toliant34 15 August 2017 22: 11
        +1
        Normal bilaruss agree with you by 10500%, nor only agile patriots who don’t wish to live without an idol and halyai ...
    3. 210ox
      210ox 14 August 2017 19: 56
      +5
      Well, in your opinion, it turns out that we “stuck” Lukashenko with this development? There is more than one year to work on this topic .. By the way, Belarusians have much more than tractors .. what are our backsides built on and not only .. Tractors and combines, television and optical technology, electronics .. So offhand.
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 14 August 2017 19: 58
        +6
        Put yourself in the place of the president of Belarus. When you have MZKT, and in Russia talking about "Platform-O" is one situation, and when this "Platform-O" is in iron and it is tested, it is completely different.
        But this does not exclude mutually beneficial cooperation of the Russian Federation and Belarus.
      2. Aleksey7777777
        Aleksey7777777 14 August 2017 20: 13
        +2
        Belarusian tractors and combines are being assembled at the base (you can’t say otherwise) of the Buzuluk Mechanical Plant ... I used to drive so many radiators with a tractor wrench ... There was a checkpoint across the road ... WAS ... No Plant ... There are no factories in principle - one garment factory is still floundering, uniforms are being sewn to law enforcement agencies, and nothing else works for us ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox 14 August 2017 20: 47
          +1
          This is for you .. And in Gomel they collect .. Of course it’s a shame that they could not even establish a screwdriver assembly ..
          Quote: Aleksey7777777
          Belarusian tractors and combines are being assembled at the base (you can’t say otherwise) of the Buzuluk Mechanical Plant ... I used to drive so many radiators with a tractor wrench ... There was a checkpoint across the road ... WAS ... No Plant ... There are no factories in principle - one garment factory is still floundering, uniforms are being sewn to law enforcement agencies, and nothing else works for us ...
      3. Toliant34
        Toliant34 15 August 2017 22: 19
        +1
        Well, yes ... especially combine harvesters, which until Rostov’s like the moon ... marriage is married ... well, with tractors the story is not much better, there will be no such thing, Russia will not even notice .....
    4. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 15 August 2017 23: 13
      +1
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      Maybe now "Potato Fuhrer"

      "Agro Fuhrer" - a more textbook
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      calm down, and will behave appropriately.

      it hardly seems to have begun to fall into senile senility in all directions
      enough news on BT or Belarus 24 see
  5. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 14 August 2017 19: 51
    +3
    Quote: 210ox
    I’d like to hear the opinions of those who claimed that the Platform O project had failed ...



    Failed, definitely. KAMAZ promised to make a platform for replacing the MZKT and liquidated it. His motor-wheel did not go, especially since all the drives and all the electronics are imported .. bully
    1. 210ox
      210ox 14 August 2017 20: 00
      +4
      And this one what drives it? On a mechanical transmission?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 14 August 2017 20: 09
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        And this one what drives it? On a mechanical transmission?

        Dima, well, if ours didn’t screw the engine from the UFO there, then on carbon ... wink
        1. Dashout
          Dashout 14 August 2017 20: 48
          +5
          Quote: sabakina
          on carbon ...

          hydrocarbon
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 14 August 2017 20: 50
            +4
            Eugene, thanks for correcting. The first day of vacation, you know ....
            1. Dashout
              Dashout 15 August 2017 13: 07
              +4
              Have a good rest laughing
        2. 210ox
          210ox 14 August 2017 20: 50
          +1
          Glory hi Yes, on anything. The main thing is that people work and things move.
          Quote: sabakina
          Quote: 210ox
          And this one what drives it? On a mechanical transmission?

          Dima, well, if ours didn’t screw the engine from the UFO there, then on carbon ... wink
      2. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 16 August 2017 09: 17
        0
        He drives while on the road to the training ground. And when they put them into production, a special paver will drive in front of him, and a repair and recovery vehicle will be in the back laughing .
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 14 August 2017 20: 08
      +5
      Quote: Dzafdet
      especially all drives and all electronics imported

      ... proofs E?
      Or another "prosralipolymers" ....
  6. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 14 August 2017 20: 09
    +3
    Good of course. Well done even. And Belarus Vileyka begins to lose confidence comes out with its MZKT and other "squiggles" ?!
  7. irazum
    irazum 14 August 2017 20: 11
    +2
    I wouldn’t discount Belarusians; they, nevertheless, have gigantic experience in creating such a technique. Although diversification is certainly needed.
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 14 August 2017 20: 31
      +4
      Yeah, but no money.
      When Papacoli offered to buy the MZKT, he refused. Now we do not have extra money, and import substitution is in trend, we will do our own thing.
  8. Guru
    Guru 14 August 2017 20: 15
    +1
    Well, if the car is new, then why does it have a steering wheel from the Ancient KrAZ or ZIL 157, even it is not KamAZ. And the dash from the GAZ-66. :) So I want to rejoice for the domestic auto industry, and not what.
    In a word, "Prosral Polymers"
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 14 August 2017 20: 30
      +6
      Forgive me for recognizing the technology as new and innovative - is it necessary to put a square steering wheel on it?
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 14 August 2017 20: 40
      +3
      Quote: Guru
      And the dash from the GAZ-66. :)

      Why didn’t I see the dashboard from either the GAZ-66 or the GAZ-51 ... feel
    3. PN
      PN 14 August 2017 20: 46
      +10
      He has the wheel of the wrong system ... This is the most ridiculous comment that I read))))
  9. zivXP
    zivXP 14 August 2017 20: 17
    0
    And where are the Bryansk tractors?
    1. shellhound
      shellhound 14 August 2017 20: 42
      +3
      On the spot. BAZ specializes in tractors of 14-20 tons. And in this topic, a tractor with a carrying capacity of about 80 tons (I don’t remember exactly), replacement of the products of our friends from Belarus (MZKT).
      1. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 14 August 2017 22: 46
        0
        The BAZ-6403 truck tractor has a gross trailer weight of up to 70 tons.
        1. shellhound
          shellhound 15 August 2017 11: 51
          0
          I'm talking about the carrying capacity of a tractor. BAZ-6403 - 19-20 tons, KAMAZ 12x12 - 60 tons, 16x16 - 85 tons.
          1. Anton Yu
            Anton Yu 15 August 2017 18: 55
            0
            Do you understand Russian? The BAZ-6403 is designed to tow a semi-trailer with a carrying capacity of up to 70 tons. What is the mass of the tractor itself?
            1. shellhound
              shellhound 15 August 2017 19: 10
              +1
              Do you understand Russian? I am writing to you about the LOADING CAPACITY of the TARGET (that is, the maximum load on the tractor seat), and you are writing to me about the mass of the towed semi-trailer, these are TWO DIFFERENT INDICES. I never wrote about the mass of the tractor itself.
              1. Anton Yu
                Anton Yu 16 August 2017 09: 38
                0
                This is not called the carrying capacity of the tractor, but the curb weight, and the permissible load on the SSU is completely different.
                1. shellhound
                  shellhound 16 August 2017 11: 34
                  +1
                  Do you understand what you wrote? This is the maximum load on the saddle. Curb weight is the third indicator, where does it come from?
  10. RED PARTISAN
    RED PARTISAN 14 August 2017 20: 41
    +6
    Very good news for rocket launchers and bad news for MZKT. I hope that in the future, Platform-O-based equipment will replace the products of the MZKT and KRAZ in all military branches. An electric transmission with motor wheels is a significant step into the future for domestic military equipment. All the jambs of this scheme will undoubtedly be fixed, and reliability will surpass the classic drive.
    1. marshes
      marshes 14 August 2017 21: 07
      0
      Quote: RED PARTISAN
      Very good news for rocket launchers and bad news for MZKT.

      How good is it that they will ride in the domestic?
      They missile rockers on this, put it, the main thing did not break and went. laughing
  11. vasilev
    vasilev 14 August 2017 20: 51
    +2
    It’s a pity that the Kurgan plant was covered, there were also good tractors.
  12. Guru
    Guru 14 August 2017 20: 57
    0
    Quote: sabakina
    Quote: Guru
    And the dash from the GAZ-66. :)

    Why didn’t I see the dashboard from either the GAZ-66 or the GAZ-51 ... feel

    At least once on this machine drive through -You know. Gas-66 or KRAZ-256.
    And a rebuke was made that according to the technical capabilities of the “MASTERPIECE” and the execution is complete “G” - before the collapse of the Union it was the same. It is necessary to get rid of childhood diseases (Car industry)
    It was to Children's diseases that I pointed out - comparing with the Ancient Masterpieces. (GAZ-66, ZIL-157)
    1. IQ12NHJ21az
      IQ12NHJ21az 14 August 2017 23: 49
      +1
      As far as I understand, this is an experimental, pre-production model undergoing testing and in which changes will also be made in ergonomics according to customer requirements. As for the steering wheel or dashboard, for an army car the opportunity to save is also good.
  13. TOR2
    TOR2 14 August 2017 21: 04
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    Well, in your opinion it turns out that with this development we “locked” Lukashenko?

    Work in this sector will suffice for both KAMAZ and MAZ. Moreover, taking into account new threats, in the near future the sky cleaner will be in great demand from small-sized (and not so) objects. Complex "Satchel" is quite energy intensive and heavy.

    So, the development of KAMAZ is just the topic.
  14. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 14 August 2017 21: 04
    +5
    Here, after all, what is the matter of muzchiny. Brotherly peoples, friendship for centuries is all great, great. Tomorrow dad will leave, or take offense at what is not a joke ... What shall we do ?! Hey ?!
    Ukraine has already made it very clear to everyone - nothing vital should be produced at home! By the way, I personally became convinced of my life experience.
    1. marshes
      marshes 14 August 2017 21: 34
      0
      Quote: Benzorez
      Here, after all, what is the matter of muzchiny. Brotherly peoples, friendship for centuries is all great, great. Tomorrow dad will leave, or take offense at what is not a joke ... What shall we do ?! Hey ?!

      They are not further than 300 km from the copaners.
      it’s easier to keep missiles in mines or in a sea base. A probable opponent of taiga wanderers instantly displays, another thing is that the BZHRK is more complicated here.
      Americans themselves periodically change the deployment of missiles.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 14 August 2017 21: 51
        +2
        I do not know. What is better or worse to judge, there are specially trained people. And tractors and special vehicles of strategic designation should have their own. So, why do we need to build an SSBN on our own (they are noisy and nano-technologies seem to be small) it is easier to order from the States, England can be built there, if desired ...
        Well, the mines will try to cover the first thing, and probably not even nuclear. In light of the latest doctrines.
        1. marshes
          marshes 14 August 2017 21: 58
          0
          Quote: Benzorez
          I do not know. What is better or worse to judge, there are specially trained people. And tractors and special vehicles of strategic designation should have their own. So, why do we need to build an SSBN on our own (they are noisy and nano-technologies seem to be small) it is easier to order from the States, England can be built there, if desired ...

          The elder brother of the PVVKUU Strategic Rocket Forces graduated, he told a lot of things. It’s safer to sit down in the “mine” laughing Than walk through the woods.
          Since then, there has been an NZ in the cellar. laughing
  15. other
    other 14 August 2017 21: 30
    0
    I am glad that young people are joining in this! Young guys all! this makes me happy!
    1. marshes
      marshes 14 August 2017 21: 51
      +1
      Quote: anden
      I am glad that young people are joining in this! Young guys all! this makes me happy!

      This is a joke.
      Jewish brothers do not rape the brain.
      1. other
        other 16 August 2017 21: 21
        0
        What is the trick? the brain, alas, you yourself rape! You are like a person. I expressed my thought. You do not understand what I mean ?. praised and looking for a joke! fun
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 August 2017 22: 12
    +1
    Is that with Motor Wheels? Here are two articles I read, just the opposite: And the large unsprung masses and the fear of water and instability to the EM pulse ... Who should I believe? To create a driving model for an industrial country in the 21st century is an ordinary achievement! Moreover, from the MAZA (Hurricane) Kamaz is obliged to differ in the civilian resource of the engine and chassis in 2017.
    1. IQ12NHJ21az
      IQ12NHJ21az 14 August 2017 23: 54
      +1
      The "hurricane" MAZ-537 had a normal engine resource, the consumption of solariums was army, and the chassis than did not like is not clear.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 August 2017 08: 44
        0
        As far as I remember, the D12A-525A was a relative of the tank V-2 on the Hurricane. Accordingly, with a military resource. And now we need a regular civilian economical diesel horse in 700-1000.
        1. stasimar
          stasimar 15 August 2017 20: 23
          0
          and there is none. on the platform about libher sanction
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 16 August 2017 09: 12
            +1
            Liebher makes a "line" of engines for Kamaz with localization. Engines, civil ...
            KamAZ plans to complete the development of the KamAZ-2017 family of in-line engines by 910.10, which it creates together with the German company Liebherr. Serial production of engines should begin in 2019, at the first stage annually up to 12 thousand new engines will be produced.
            The project to create a new generation of KAMAZ engines was launched in 2014 and is now at the stage of development and technological preparation of production. All work on the new engine is divided into 4 stages: the first is the development itself, 20 prototypes are being tested. The second is the conclusion of contracts for the supply of equipment. The third is the preparation of that part of production at KamAZ, which does not require the purchase of new equipment. Fourth - the development of all parts and assemblies, the production of which will be carried out in Russia.
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 16 August 2017 09: 13
            +1
            On the basis of the KamAZ-910.10 motor, they plan to create several modifications with a capacity of 380, 400, 450, 500 and 550 liters. from. at 1900 rpm Torque - from 1700 to 2540 N · m, with a shelf in the range of 1100-1400 rpm. Engines will meet the environmental standards of Euro-5 and Euro-6.
  17. earloop
    earloop 14 August 2017 22: 19
    +1
    Hope for “friends”, but don’t be fooled! -So, little by little, folk wisdom is being realized. Hoping - only for yourself: neither Simens, nor Sneakers, nor numerous "brothers."
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  19. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 14 August 2017 22: 26
    +3
    Ah, here is the victory of the Great KAMAZ. Over 10 years and a certain amount of money, KAMAZ was able to create, from the entire series, only a transport-loading machine for silo-based ICBMs. Moreover, BAZ has been producing tractors with an 8x8 wheel formula for decades.
  20. stasimar
    stasimar 14 August 2017 22: 28
    +1
    http://autocatalogue.livejournal.com/1323287.html Читать спокойно , без истерик
  21. Just a man
    Just a man 15 August 2017 00: 12
    +4
    You read the 'experts' on the site and you understand, that’s where the source of personnel for our design bureaus and engineering schools is. Not much, not a little, write the participants of the R&D program. Belarusians are trying to cheat, how can such space technologies really be mastered in Russia. My fellow VAGS, who is directly in charge of this project, says that everything is according to plan, and the characteristics are no worse than the MZKT, at least, and for some reason I trust him more, as I have never been deceived in life. Moreover, his obligation to be critical of the developer. Well, I’ll tell the Belarusians, you blow off your cheeks. All your MAZ, MTZ products, some electronics are taken by Russia not because they are the best, but because you need to support freeloaders in different ways, so as not to get another version 2.0 hohlism under your nose. Russia will close its market, and you will have only potatoes from modern production.
    1. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 15 August 2017 07: 22
      0
      Well, I’ll tell the Belarusians, you blow off your cheeks. All your MAZ, MTZ products, some electronics are taken by Russia not because they are the best, but because you need to support freeloaders somehow,

      And how many tractors are there in the Russian Federation over the past year?
      And how many combines? And how many agricultural machinery do you need to change?
      Or have they built a new tractor plant somewhere, but I just don’t know?
      In Belarus, at least the Soviet factories did not bleed ...
      1. myobius59
        myobius59 15 August 2017 08: 26
        +3
        They don’t do it only on tracks. All wheeled tractor factories work. In St. Petersburg, in addition to the traditional Kirovets, they even launch a new tractor, replacing the Kharkov T-150. And the rest are mostly licensed. But is it really bad?
        1. myobius59
          myobius59 15 August 2017 08: 29
          +3
          When I wrote "they don’t do it only on caterpillars," I meant agricultural. Industrial in Cheboksary and Chelyabinsk are riveted non-stop. So before you write something, you need to at least be a little aware.
          1. myobius59
            myobius59 15 August 2017 08: 33
            +2
            Yes, and about harvesters. How many of them are collected in Russia, theirs and licensed, Belarusians have never dreamed of. The same is about agricultural equipment. If not their own, then they produce licensed.
          2. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 15 August 2017 22: 24
            0
            Quote: myobius59
            When I wrote "they don’t do it only on caterpillars," I meant agricultural. Industrial in Cheboksary and Chelyabinsk are riveted non-stop. So before you write something, you need to at least be a little aware.

            I’m just in the know!
            The market of agricultural tractors in Russia in 2016 compared to the corresponding period of 2015 decreased by 23,0%. The total sales of tractors in 2016 amounted to 20,8 thousand units, of which only 2 854 were tractors of Russian brands (including 473 mini tractors), their sales grew by 10,4%, and the market share increased from 9,6 % to 13,7%.

            In 2016, in the structure of the tractor market, there was a decrease in the market share of imports of new tractors from the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan, which decreased from 44,5% to 39,3%, sales amounted to 8,2 thousand units. The share of imports of new tractors of foreign brands also decreased from 21,5% to 20,1%, while sales fell by 28,0% to 4184 units, of which 2107 were mini tractors; import of used tractors decreased by 40,5% to 1660 units, and their share decreased from 10,3% to 8,0%. In general, sales of new import tractors, including imports from the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan, decreased by 30,7% from 17 units. up to 838 12 units

            Sales of Russian-made foreign cars (except for MTZ) fell by 34,2% to 950 units. Sales of MTZ tractors of the Russian assembly increased by 25,4% to 2 units.
            1. Vikxnumx
              Vikxnumx 15 August 2017 22: 35
              0
              https://agroinfo.com/2303201704-rossijskij-rynok-
              selxoztexniki-v-2016-godu /
              1. Anton Yu
                Anton Yu 16 August 2017 09: 46
                +1
                At present, Russian agricultural machinery is in high demand abroad. Only in the first half of 2017, its exports increased one and a half times, reaching the level of 4,1 billion rubles. This was reported by the Ministry of Industry and Trade and the industry association Rosspetsmash.
                Experts associate export growth with new state support mechanisms and a favorable ruble exchange rate. Foreign agricultural business shows an increased interest in all agricultural machinery positions produced in our country. For example, energy-rich tractors are bought in Canada, and in China they prefer forage harvesting machines. At the same time, experts are sure that the geography of deliveries in the near future will be expanded to include countries in the Middle East, North Africa and South America.
                Rosspetsmash noted that export of harvesting equipment this year increased by 10% (more than 1000 units), machinery for processing harvested crops - by 63% (194 units), tillage equipment - by 18% (430 units). And records were set for a number of positions: agricultural tractors sold 120% more (178 units), and sowing equipment - 700% (407 units).
                The main importers of domestic agricultural machinery are the countries of the CIS and Europe, as well as China, Iran and Canada. It is interesting that in the first half of 2016 there were no sales at all in China, but in the first six months of 2017, deliveries to this country reached 180 million rubles.
                At the same time, demand for Russian agricultural machinery in Uzbekistan increased five-fold, four-fold in Slovakia and Bulgaria, and two-fold in Iran. As before, they count on products from our country and in Ukraine, - the growth in deliveries to this state increased by 64%.
                The Ministry of Industry and Trade confirmed a significant increase in the supply of agricultural machinery abroad. According to the agency, it amounted to about 45%. Moreover, a gradual increase in exports is planned in the future.
                The growing demand for domestic agricultural equipment is associated with the latest developments that have unique characteristics. At the same time, the quality of the machines reached a new level, which was immediately noted by foreign experts.
                It should also be noted that state support measures for the export of these products contribute to growth. In particular, they provide for a program for subsidizing the interest rate on export loans, and also provide a refund of part of the costs to producers.
                The implementation of these measures will continue in the future. As a result, the volume of deliveries abroad can grow many times. This will allow implementing the strategy approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, according to which, by 2025, exports should be 50% of all agricultural machinery manufactured in our country.
                1. Vikxnumx
                  Vikxnumx 17 August 2017 07: 58
                  0
                  And in all forms of farms of the Russian Federation (with regards to rural), the replacement of equipment by 75 ... 90% is required .... And when will we change? Even subsidies of 25% do not allow the collective farmer to buy equipment - there is none! Industry does not have time to do!
          3. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 16 August 2017 01: 52
            0
            Quote: myobius59
            Industrial in Cheboksary

            Seriously?
            In Cheboksary?
      2. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 15 August 2017 09: 02
        +2
        Rostselmash is a Russian company, one of the five largest world manufacturers of agricultural machinery. There are 13 enterprises. Production sites in the countries: Canada, Russia, USA, Ukraine and Kazakhstan. And unlike Belarus, it produces world-class equipment. In 2017, the Rostselmash plant increased its production. January was marked by the release of more than 500 combines, which exceeded last year's figures by 70%. Now Rostselmash products are considered the best on the market.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 15 August 2017 17: 31
          0
          in Rostov-on-Don!
        2. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 15 August 2017 22: 19
          0
          Last year, collective farmers received their combines in October-November, after paying dealers in April ...
          And for the best products - only in comparison with Polesie. No need to compare with the "Class", "John Hole", "Case", etc.
          And the components in Akrosa and Torum are not entirely Russian-made !!!
          1. Just a man
            Just a man 16 August 2017 01: 24
            +1
            Before throwing shit, understand the essence of the question: What is better than foreign Combines? Although everything is clear for your category, even western shit smells like violets for you. Back in 2011, comparative tests of combines were held, here is the result - 'TORUM 740, JOHN DEERE STS 9670 (USA), NEW HOLLAND CSX 7080 (Belgium), Deutz-Fahr (Germany). All machines worked in the same conditions - on the same field, harvesting winter wheat with a yield of up to 46,5 c / ha. According to the results of the competitions, which were witnessed by numerous outside observers (some came even from the USA), the Russian combine exceeded the rivals. Productivity in one hour of the main time: TORUM - 26,87 tons / hour, JONH DEERE - 21,0 t / h, NEW HOLLAND - 20,93 t / h. Deutz-Fahr -17,7 t / h. All machines worked in the same conditions - on one field, removing winter crops at comparable fuel consumption (1,54 kg / t; 1,58 kg / t; 1,50 kg / t, 1,86 kg / t, respectively). The quality indicators of bunker grain in combines TORUM, JONH DEERE, NEW HOLLAND, Deutz-Fahr correspond to crushing 0,2%, 0,2%, 1,7% and 0,8% Content of weed impurities in the hopper: 0,15%, 0,43%, 0,20%, 0,20%, respectively. Thus, in terms of the quality of grain harvested, the Russian TORUM combine also surpassed its foreign counterparts.
            1. Vikxnumx
              Vikxnumx 16 August 2017 06: 33
              0
              Quote: Just a human
              Before throwing shit, understand the essence of the question: What is better than foreign Combines? Although everything is clear for your category, even western shit smells like violets for you.

              Well, I work directly with the PCM factory and I know pretty well what their products have inside!
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 16 August 2017 09: 15
            +1
            And in our Krasnodar Klaas’s release ...
    2. demos1111
      demos1111 15 August 2017 09: 23
      0
      I agree 100%. The logic of yours would be understood. We shit at you every step of the way, didn’t hold back in anything, and you hold back with some kind of support. People here at our household level chuckle, they consider this a weakness.
      They can’t understand, patience will burst, and with the same obstinacy they will begin to push.
      Or is it simpler, are you waiting for Nord Stream 2 and the Turkish Stream? Then there will be a "checkmate". And without tantrums.
    3. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 16 August 2017 01: 56
      0
      Quote: Just a human
      and characteristics are not worse than the MZKT at least

      for this class of cars, they should not be worse, or rather should be better with this transmission scheme
      but
      MZKT cars of this class does not produce now
  22. ver_
    ver_ 15 August 2017 01: 36
    0
    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    Yeah, if only the Russians don’t have to build normal roads, they’ll always invent something .. (just kidding) Serious tractor .. Now it's up to the rockets!

    ... roads disfigure Earth - walk on foot on foot - health will be better ..
  23. medvedron
    medvedron 15 August 2017 03: 06
    +3
    Nefig was given to Belarusians, and it’s just that prices themselves will not add up so irreplaceable.
  24. Franciscan
    Franciscan 15 August 2017 07: 33
    0
    Maz 537 redone, nothing else I see here.
  25. NickiShnapi
    NickiShnapi 15 August 2017 08: 41
    +2
    I remind you that somewhere on a military review there is an article by the couch general about this car, that no one needs it, that its wheels are shit, and in general everything has been screwed. Now let's find this wise guy and poke his nose in the video and explain that the Internet remembers everything.
    1. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 15 August 2017 09: 18
      0
      How does a transport-loading machine fit, and where is the promised replacement of mobile soil missile systems based on the MZKT-79221?
  26. stasimar
    stasimar 15 August 2017 13: 13
    +2
    I read komenty ... One childish delight with the scrubbing of the MZKT and Lukashenko and Belarusians in general. At least one would write about the fundamental shortcomings of the electromechanical transmission that have not been solved anywhere in the world.
    1. Franciscan
      Franciscan 15 August 2017 16: 25
      0
      Ts, do not spoil their holiday, let them jump that they managed to copy the old Mazovian tractor.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 August 2017 17: 33
        +2
        Copy, just failed. And not the fact that this new car turned out ...
        1. Anton Yu
          Anton Yu 15 August 2017 19: 07
          +1
          But what a prodigy turned out! Rides exclusively on asphalt or concrete if its weight is asphalt. laughing
      2. stasimar
        stasimar 15 August 2017 20: 20
        +1
        Of course let them jump. you cannot forbid a person to be a donkey. it is a pity that VO turns into a censor with a correspondent
        1. Just a man
          Just a man 16 August 2017 01: 08
          +1
          Nobody forbids you.
      3. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 15 August 2017 22: 30
        0
        Quote: Franciscan
        TS, do not spoil their holiday, let them jump that they managed to copy the old Mazovian tractor

        They still do not know that gasoline is cheaper in Belarus than in Russia ...
        1. Astoria
          Astoria 15 August 2017 23: 05
          +2
          And the trees are greener and the girls are busty, maybe enough nonsense to carry laughing
          1. stasimar
            stasimar 16 August 2017 07: 23
            0
            Well, our girls are definitely prettier! laughing
            1. Toliant34
              Toliant34 16 August 2017 08: 21
              +1
              For those who have not tasted sweeter than Morkoff ... and more selfish
              1. stasimar
                stasimar 16 August 2017 19: 31
                0
                for those who can not please a woman with something else, maybe selfish.))
          2. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 17 August 2017 07: 54
            0
            We have more beautiful girls in the south!
            And gasoline from Belarusians throughout the country is 1.17 Belarusian rubles per liter of AI92. Count the course yourself.
            I figured a swelling - 36 pp ... Well, or with a penny, when the course changes
            1. Astoria
              Astoria 17 August 2017 11: 58
              0
              What is there to consider?
  27. The splinter
    The splinter 15 August 2017 14: 02
    +1
    That's right. Enough of Russia to depend on the constant blackmail of foreign states and feed foreign citizens!
  28. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 15 August 2017 22: 35
    +1
    Well well done.
  29. Toliant34
    Toliant34 15 August 2017 22: 36
    +2
    Almost a topic ... my childhood friend bought a place for a ten-year Volvo, a new maz .... from his words, the dream of India came true .... I meet in 2 years, and as I ask, the miracle of the bilarutsk auto industry ... such a fountain emotions, I probably didn’t hear for a long time .... for 2 years everything was repaired, from dvigla to a frame ..... Sasha suffered three more, and again bought a Volvo, but already five years old .... something like that
  30. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 15 August 2017 22: 37
    +1
    Quote: Splinter
    That's right. Enough of Russia to depend on the constant blackmail of foreign states and feed foreign citizens!

    Of course, right. I agree with every word you say. In everything and EVERYTHING Russia is Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox can and should provide for themselves.