Nuclear submarine Kursk. 17 years since death

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Today, the Navy paid tribute to the sailors of the Kursk nuclear submarine, which sank in the Barents Sea in August 2000. Head of Pacific Press Services fleet 1st-rank captain Vladimir Matveev noted that St. Andrew’s flags were lowered today, and meetings were held in memory of the victims. The personnel of the fleet honored the memory of the dead sailors with a minute of silence.

Vladimir Matveyev quotes Interfax-AVN:
At noon (local time), the St. Andrew’s flags were lowered on the ships of the Kamchatka submarine association, and the disturbing sounds of the ship’s sirens sounded.



In the Pacific VVMU them. Admiral S.O. Makarov to the memorial plaques, on which the names of the school graduates who perished aboard the Kursk submarines, were immortalized, wreaths and flowers were laid.

Recall that the nuclear submarine "Kursk" sank exactly 17 years ago during an exercise. All crew members of the submarine were killed - 118 people. The accident occurred approximately in 175 km from Severomorsk. The depth at which the boat was located was 108 meters.

Nuclear submarine Kursk. 17 years since death


The fact of the death of the crew of the submarine "Kursk" was officially confirmed only 21 August 2000 year, after the Norwegian divers managed to open the hatch in the 9-th compartment. The information about the death of the crew was presented by the then Chief of Staff of the Northern Fleet, Vice Admiral M. Motsak.

The official version of the death of "Kursk" is the version of the explosion of the 65-76А torpedo ("Kit") in the 4-torpedo apparatus due to leakage of the components of the torpedo's fuel. In the report of the Russian Federation GP from 2002, it was stated that a torpedo explosion led to a fire aboard the submarine and the subsequent detonation of the entire torpedo arsenal of the 1 compartment. There are dozens of unofficial versions: from a suicide bomber on board (the version has been officially refuted) to torpedoing a NATO submarine.
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  1. +41
    12 August 2017 08: 02
    Eternal memory to the soldiers who died in the performance of military duty. The deepest condolences to families.
    1. +27
      12 August 2017 08: 35

      Rest in Peace, Brothers ...
      1. +24
        12 August 2017 08: 45
        Nuclear submarine Kursk. 17 years since death
        but we don’t know the truth ...
        1. +20
          12 August 2017 09: 56
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Nuclear submarine Kursk. 17 years since death

          He who has sight, let him hear. And as if yesterday was ...
          1. +5
            12 August 2017 11: 57
            Quote: sabakina
            He who has sight, let him hear. And as if yesterday was.

            In general, it looks like some kind of technological plug with which the cover was removed, the edges are too smooth for the torpedo, but the dent is a little embarrassing.
            1. +10
              12 August 2017 12: 02
              Quote: tomket
              Quote: sabakina
              He who has sight, let him hear. And as if yesterday was.

              In general, it looks like some kind of technological plug with which the cover was removed, the edges are too smooth for the torpedo, but the dent is a little embarrassing.

              This is a still image from a movie. Look all the way and blush for the “technological stub."
              1. +5
                12 August 2017 17: 40
                And there’s nothing to see here, it’s evident that they cut out some autogenous. This hole is deaf, in the internal strong case it is not.
                Look in google how the real damage from hitting a torpedo looks.
            2. +4
              13 August 2017 04: 11
              The French very convincingly formulated this version, and subsequent events indirectly confirmed the guilt of the “unidentified” submarine in the death of the Kursk. Nothing, it’s worth waiting only 25 years and the signature stamp will be removed. Waiting for ...
        2. +12
          12 August 2017 10: 50
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          but we don’t know the truth ...

          We will learn the truth when the whole elite of the then Russia will go to another world. Although there is no need to guess here, as always, our brother was sold for half the price ............
          1. +10
            12 August 2017 11: 49
            Quote: Pirogov
            Although there is no need to guess here, as always, our brother was sold for half the price ............

            Yes sir! And in this whole story, the most embarrassing thing is that foreigners were involved in emergency rescue operations and raising the boat ....
            A special question is the fact that all the evidence in the bow was blown up with it.

            The eternal memory of the heroically dead submariners.

            1. +14
              12 August 2017 12: 08
              More Victories will be with us!
              Kneeling and sorrowing
              Mother Russia, be proud of your sons!
              After all, they praised you!

              “Kursk” was necessary for us. The Kursk went into oblivion so that we would return from nothingness.

              That spiritual ruin, moral degradation and unconsciousness in which the country found itself at the end of the terrible XX century, could no longer be tolerated. The Lord took pity on Russia and put an end to the decay and decay of this once-great people of ours.

              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              but we don’t know the truth ...


              So you found out about how everything happened and what next? You will not return the dead. And everyone who takes the oath, as well as their relatives should always remember that at any moment life can end and that the main thing at this last minute is not to be a scoundrel.

              Why did we all need the Kursk tragedy?

              What sins were washed away these days by those streams of tears that millions of Russians shed on TV screens?
              These were the sins of petrified hearts, the sins of the dead soul of the Russian people.


              The second millennium of the coming of the Savior into the world came to an end, and in Russia everything turned out to be trampled, dishonored and put up for sale. The country, which once called itself Holy Russia, has become a laughing stock and fornication. "And they will act cruelly with you, and they will take from you all that has been acquired by labor, and leave you naked and uncovered, and your shameful nakedness will be revealed, and your profligacy, and your fornication. This will be done with you for your fornication with the nations whose idols you defiled yourself"(Ezek. 23,29).

              It was necessary to put a limit, to mark the line, the last line on the path of our spiritual decline. The wounded bulk of the Kursk lay before us, not allowing this time to step over and forget, as we have already done more than once in such cases. The torn metal of a distorted boat cut the heart of every Russian man alive.

              The guys from Kursk went into eternal life so that we never forget about the eternity that lives in us.


              “They lower the wreaths in the harsh, mournful water.
              May the living see them, understanding how they need each other.
              All of Russia mourns. So we remain the people!
              The body of the country grows together in general pain and torment. ”
              Nikolay Kolychev, Murmansk poet

              From the book "The Eternal Lamp" Kursk "" Abbot Mitrofan (Badanin)
              1. +3
                12 August 2017 15: 14
                I won’t write anything from myself, it’s just my respect:
            2. +12
              13 August 2017 04: 19
              Blame those who, during the time of the Yeltsinoids, sold the emergency naval service of the fleets for a penny. If on the spot there were underwater rescuers "Lenok" (and not in India) and rescue service ships, then the Norwegians would not be needed. If the admirals had a head, they would not have arranged a range for firing a strategic missile carrier with torpedoes (!!!) at an 80-meter depth to provide Chinese window dressing. If the designers thought, they would not have removed the Epron emergency baffles. Well and so on - they put all their hands into it ... By its construction, the Kursk was practically unsinkable. But .... they had a good rest and drowned. So there is no special guilt of Putin here, everything was laid down and done before him.
            3. +2
              13 August 2017 22: 24
              Good memory to my childhood friend Captain First Rank Vladimir Tikhanovich Bagryantsev ..... Oh guys! ......
          2. +1
            12 August 2017 18: 45
            Quote: Pirogov
            We will find out the truth when the whole elite of the then Russia will go to another world

            And what truth do you want to know? There are two options - either an accident, which does not matter, or foreigners. The second option means?
            1. +1
              14 August 2017 10: 52
              10 lards of compensation, and then quietly did not pass.
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: Pirogov
              We will find out the truth when the whole elite of the then Russia will go to another world

              And what truth do you want to know? There are two options - either an accident, which does not matter, or foreigners. The second option means?

              The eternal memory of the heroically dead submariners.
        3. +12
          12 August 2017 11: 24
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          but we don’t know the truth ...
          Everything secret, dear Andrei Yurievich, someday becomes apparent. The official version of the death of Kursk is version of the explosion of a torpedo 65-76А ("Kit") in the 4 torpedo tubes due to leakage of fuel components of the torpedo... At one time, the official version of the death of the flagship battleship Novorossiysk announced the version of the bombing on an old German bottom mine. I was very interested in this topic, I tried to put an article on the VO, but the respected editors made it impossible without any warnings or warnings; until now, if I try to post something, it will appear that the site administrator has forbidden me to post articles. So think about what you want, both about the editorial board and our "official versions" for the actions of our Anglo-Saxon "friends".
          1. +8
            12 August 2017 11: 32
            Quote: Per se.
            but the respected editorial office, without any explanation, without warning, made this impossible; until now, if I try to post something, it will appear that the site administrator has forbidden me to post articles.

            "Bloody gebnya" settled on the upper echelons of power in the VO! am
            The other warning (5) was struck me the other day for "trying to remotely diagnose" one insane, dishonoring Zion’s flag.
            wassat drinks
          2. +3
            12 August 2017 12: 33
            11.24. Per Se! Is the Whale torpedo so unreliable? If it is so unreliable, why was it adopted? If the whale is unreliable, then there must be more cases of self-explosion? These are such amateur questions. What do the pros say?
            1. +1
              13 August 2017 00: 43
              Just tested.
          3. +4
            12 August 2017 13: 07
            I absolutely agree with you in terms of concealing the true causes of the death of the Kursk nuclear submarine, as well as those guilty of criminal negligence. But all the "secret" will someday become "obvious" !? However, not everything else in this country is completely numb (I’m talking about you and several million more thinking Russians) !? Regarding the “true” cause of the death of Kursk, in my SUBJECTIVE opinion THIS IS FAULT No. 4; from which they were supposed to fire not a torpedo, but ROCKET - a torpedo “Flurry”, however, due to a malfunction of the RT device, it started directly in TA (all Lyachin’s actions testify to this, that is, an attempt to “spit it out” or throw it as ballast from the apparatus)? However, the depths (less than 100 meters) did not allow this to be done - at first the boat pecked at the bottom with its nose, and then an explosion rang out - which was recorded by ShPS! Something like this! Good luck and remain an active Citizen and Patriot!
            1. +2
              12 August 2017 20: 25
              at first the boat pecked at the bottom with its nose, and then an explosion rang out - which was recorded by the ShPS!

              And if at first a pin ... the Ossian boat pecked (let’s say chopping) 'Kursk' and after that there was an explosion?
              1. +2
                13 August 2017 00: 24
                Do you know the height from the keel to the cruiser’s navy, pr. 949? "mattresses" at a depth of 92 meters also managed to dive under the "Kursk"? Leave this Bullshit Bullshit to civilian spaxes or "expert" Sivkov with ... Klintsevich !? The sailor won't hurt the kid! Good luck, Brother!
                1. 0
                  14 August 2017 20: 42
                  And she was definitely at a depth of 92 meters?
                  It's just that this clarification somehow fell out from me, I don’t remember. I recall some publications of those times, when sometimes it slipped that a pin had come into repair ... an Osaka boat for repairing logging damage.
              2. +1
                13 August 2017 13: 00
                There, around the Kursk, the bottom was examined and no traces from someone else's boat were found. Something remains from the blow, nothing was found, this is the official version.
          4. +5
            13 August 2017 04: 24
            This happens with all books and articles on military history, not only in VO - everything that turns out to be unsuitable for the Procrustean bed - is made “not shook hands” and can only be published on the margins of the Internet.
        4. +2
          12 August 2017 14: 09
          Those who need know
          1. +1
            12 August 2017 14: 47
            And who are those who? Can you name by name? Can I name my fallen comrades - colleagues on the Kursk !? Eternal memory to them and the Kingdom of Heaven!
        5. +2
          12 August 2017 20: 20
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Nuclear submarine Kursk. 17 years since death
          but we don’t know the truth ...

          Really?
          Simple, elementary logic: on the basis of what did you decide to cut off the first compartment? Why the video of the damaged boat and damage to the first compartment, when divers examined it, has not yet been published. And they were obliged to shoot on video, on the basis of which such decisions are made by specialists? Or the divers said: "nothing is visible, we felt by touch that it was impossible to lift a whole boat, it was necessary to cut it." And they immediately believed. Dumbest stupidity. Just probably the damage clearly showed that the Kursk drowned the pin ... wasps (torpedoed or 'stuck' into it).
          And another clear indicator for me was how immediately sharply after the Kursk Putin became more negative about pin ... wasps, for me it was noticeable.
    2. +14
      12 August 2017 08: 56
      According to Admiral Popov, the truth about the death of the submarine is known, but it is not yet time to voice it. Eternal memory to heroes submariners.
      1. +6
        12 August 2017 09: 03
        Quote: Spartanez300
        According to Admiral Popov

        The deputy, not the admiral. Politicians take the word to believe - do not respect yourself.

        It's me, the postman Pechkin! I brought the package! Only I will not give it to you! Because you have no documents.
        1. +14
          12 August 2017 09: 13
          Firstly, Popov was an admiral; secondly, at the time of the Kursk death, he was the Commander of the KSF; thirdly, he was the only one who honestly took all responsibility upon himself. His whole life was devoted to serving the fleet.
          1. +14
            12 August 2017 10: 12
            Quote: Berkut154
            Firstly, Popov was an admiral; secondly, at the time of the Kursk death, he was the Commander of the KSF; thirdly, he was the only one who honestly took all responsibility upon himself. His whole life was devoted to serving the fleet.

            As if yesterday it was ....
            1. 0
              14 August 2017 12: 52
              Words Men, how hard it was for everyone. GDP escaped by Frigate in Vidyaevo. No more.
        2. +13
          12 August 2017 10: 15
          Admiral Vyacheslav Popov at that time commander of the Northern Fleet.

          During the investigation of the death of the boat, Admiral Popov proved to be an honest officer, one of the few who did not publicly distort the true state of affairs on the dead submarine. Publicly apologized to the families and friends of the victims.
      2. +9
        12 August 2017 09: 19
        Eternal memory to the fallen. And yet, I adhere to the theory of an attack by a NATO submarine. This theory is well described in a French doc. film: "Kursk: Submarine in troubled waters".
        1. +9
          12 August 2017 09: 34
          Quote: Sharky
          Eternal memory to the fallen

          I join in condolences.
          Quote: Sharky
          "Kursk: Submarine in troubled waters."

          In fact, this is the only attempt to understand what happened. The French worked with the facts that they could get.
          Times change. And then, at the beginning of the 2000s, it was simply impossible to imagine how French journalism in the form of Charlie Hebdo would react to the tragedy of the Russian A321 airliner over the Sinai Peninsula, which killed 224 people.
          1. +6
            12 August 2017 10: 11
            Why again pull out this dregs, akin to the American book / film "Americans did not fly to the moon"?
            And just read the professionals and think?
            Though here:
            https://legal-alien.ru/akuly-iz-stali/glava-xiii/
            postlednij-pokhod
            I strongly advise you to read the books of Chernov and Ryazantsev, you will see for yourself when all this was "laid down".
            Everything was known and understood a long time ago, except for one thing - why the involved were not punished.
            1. +2
              12 August 2017 12: 42
              Quote: AB0877
              I highly recommend ...


              Just like Shapoklyak: "I advise everyone and everyone ...!"


              Quote: AB0877
              Everything is known and understandable a long time ago, except for one thing - why those involved were not punished


              Directly public prosecutor!

              Or the prosecutor?

              And who puts “pluses” to him?
              1. +3
                12 August 2017 14: 50
                I don’t give a damn about the “pluses”. Have you read the article and books? Opinion changed or not? Otherwise, your post is just an empty chatter.
              2. +1
                12 August 2017 20: 31
                And who puts “pluses” to him?

                And who put you a plus sign?
                Everyone has their PERSONAL opinion, everyone is not required to have only YOURS.
                About mine, you can read above.
            2. +1
              14 August 2017 13: 03
              If everyone involved had been punished, we would now not have trained the muscles of our fingers at the keyboard.
        2. +4
          12 August 2017 10: 01
          this movie
          1. +6
            12 August 2017 10: 28
            And why is it banned from showing in Russia? Is this an inscription added for the red word? request
            1. +3
              12 August 2017 10: 31
              well yes ... u-tube there is a y-tube, a way to get more views
          2. +5
            12 August 2017 11: 20
            Quote: soroKING
            this movie

            I looked. In short, who does not have time, the essence of this film in a few words:
            Russian barbarians and savages cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons and nuclear energy. Well, in favor of this conclusion, a bunch of drawn arguments and the opinion of Judas such as Kovalev. Politics of lies, Russia is a police state, hundreds of journalists were killed, etc. ... In short, not a film, but a liberal’s dream.
            1. +5
              12 August 2017 16: 19
              I looked. In short, who does not have time, the essence of this film in a few words:

              And you are one of those who are ssy in the eye, all God's dew! Sorry for being rude, but what you saw and interpreted there are completely different things. The French laid out well and the evidence looks quite logical, but the pearl about "she drowned" just became a meme. The guarantor was young then, blurted out some crap. On the other hand, what were the options? Flush NATO (US) submarine and start the third World? On the ruins remaining from EBN. What would you do as president? Would they swallow a bitter pill and lie to the whole country, or would declare war on America, exposing the entire country to attack (nuclear)?
              1. +3
                12 August 2017 20: 45
                On the other hand, what were the options? Flush NATO (US) submarine and start the third World? On the ruins remaining from EBN. What would you do as president? Would they swallow a bitter pill and lie to the whole country, or would declare war on America, exposing the entire country to attack (nuclear)?

                I agree with everything. Himself a former submariner, he understood all this then. Hatred of pin ... dos came after the Kursk, before that it was neutral towards them (not stupid, all countries have their own propaganda, and most of them are propagandized ... ooshen, no opinion).
                1. +1
                  12 August 2017 22: 37
                  If you are a former submariner, you should understand that there could be no (no) American (NATO) submarines in the area of ​​the exercises. A-priory. At the borders of the declared landfill - yes. But what would enter the training zone and get to the clash? Unscientific fiction!
                  And what side is a nuclear strike, a war to America, etc.?
                  Excuse me, did you serve in the officer rank?
                  1. +1
                    14 August 2017 13: 17
                    But nothing that before THEY almost grazed at Kildin. And the base in Gremikha was destroyed for their money.
                  2. 0
                    14 August 2017 20: 53
                    He served, midshipman. And in those years, the pin ... wasps allowed themselves a lot of things, and we wiped ourselves off (I write this and I think that the situation has changed for the better now slightly).
                    But I was not lucky to become an astronaut, but I still say that the Mir space station was drowned because it was outdated, but at the request of the "working Americans". It’s me that you don’t have to be an astronaut, military officer or sailor to understand that pin ... wasps allowed and allow themselves a lot of things, even what the government doesn’t voice (in Syria now, for example).
              2. +2
                12 August 2017 20: 47
                Quote: Sharky
                And you are one of those who are ssy in the eye, all God's dew! Sorry for being rude, but what you saw and interpreted there are completely different things. The French laid out well and the evidence looks quite logical

                You would follow your own eyes, right? What did they put there? The fact that 2 US submarines uncovered an unsinkable (well, according to the film) Russian submarine and were able to leave unnoticed (!) From the area of ​​exercises (!) Teeming with Russian warships and naval aviation (!)? Well, ok, believe it unconditionally, and I repeat, the main point of this hype film is not to establish justice, but to stupidly throw another stone in the swamp of Russophobia and anti-Putinism. These shots with crying mothers are just a forbidden technique, the director of this film is a ghoul who is trying to pick up points on people's tragedy. After the terrorist attacks in Nice, mothers do not cry? Let them show. And from the phrase "The nurse has a super-soothing drug in the syringe," I began to twist. He even, like, knows what’s in the nurse’s syringe ... So I’ll repeat about the eyes, look in your log, and not look into strangers.
                1. +4
                  13 August 2017 00: 28
                  You would follow your own eyes, right? What did they put there? The fact that 2 US submarines uncovered an unsinkable (well, according to the film) Russian submarine and were able to leave unnoticed (!) From the area of ​​exercises (!) Teeming with Russian warships and naval aviation (!)? Well, ok, believe it unconditionally, and I repeat, the main point of this hype film is not to establish justice, but to stupidly throw another stone in the swamp of Russophobia and anti-Putinism. These shots with crying mothers are just a forbidden technique, the director of this film is a ghoul who is trying to pick up points on people's tragedy. After the terrorist attacks in Nice, mothers do not cry? Let them show. And from the phrase "The nurse has a super-soothing drug in the syringe," I began to twist. He even, like, knows what’s in the nurse’s syringe ... So I’ll repeat about the eyes, look in your log, and not look into strangers.

                  Excuse me, what do you have to do with cinema? Is your surname not Mikhalkov by chance? Do you have anything to do with the Navy? The fact that there were showing crying mothers and wives, I do not see any tricks in this. How should relatives respond to the death of loved ones?
                  Who said that the Amer boat went unnoticed? These are all your guesses. The submarines were led, but no one ordered the destruction. Because everyone understood (except you) what this could turn into. Well, or you could say no one was able to take on such responsibility.
                  Hole seen on board from a torpedo? Was she formed so even from the explosion of a training torpedo? Oh well.
                  You can continue to believe in the official version, this is your right. But, this does not make you a person who can logically think and compare facts.
                  1. +2
                    13 August 2017 10: 18
                    Quote: Sharky
                    You can continue to believe in the official version, this is your right. But, this does not make you a person who can logically think and compare facts.

                    I do not believe the official version, but I believe this Russophobian kintz even less. If I see how events are misinterpreted there, how can I believe the rest?
                    Quote: Sharky
                    Who said that the Amer boat went unnoticed? These are all your guesses. The submarines were led, but no one ordered the destruction. Because everyone understood (except you) what this could turn into. Well, or you could say no one was able to take on such responsibility.

                    Well, ok, you diplomatically called our Navy the Sykkuns. Those. the amers had the guts to drown our submarine in the zone of our exercises, but our people didn’t have the courage to surrender, but the war could start. As I understand it, after this we can conclude that the Americans can sink our ships and shoot down our planes anywhere in the world, the Russians will not have the courage to answer? God forbid Russia from defenders like you.
                    For this, I finish the dialogue, and so I spent too much attention on the person who begins communication with strangers with insults.
              3. +2
                12 August 2017 21: 37
                To tell the truth to all the people. But then all the preferences from the West would have disappeared and the future with which the Russian authorities connected themselves.
        3. +10
          12 August 2017 11: 27
          Quote: Sharky
          Eternal memory to the fallen. And yet, I adhere to the theory of an attack by a NATO submarine. This theory is well described in a French doc. film: "Kursk: Submarine in troubled waters".


          here at VO there was already a good article on May 10, 2012.

          https://topwar.ru/14155-gibel-kurska-tayny-bolshe
          -net.html

          the most interesting information should not be sought in the accident, but in what was around during and after what happened. Here are a few quotes -

          during the search and rescue operation until the situation was not yet controlled by the authorities, information leaked to the media that light green rescue buoys were found near the place of the Kursk’s death, although Russians only use white and red . Another evidence of the plausibility of this version is the reception of signals for help, which the cruiser Peter the Great received on August 13-14. And if initially the rescuers hoped that these signals were sent from Kursk, then later, after decoding them, it became clear that they came from a foreign submarine (they were supplied by a mechanical emitter, but they are not used on Russian submarines).

          while the aircraft of two anti-submarine squadrons were raised in search of a submarine, pilots discovered oil stains left by another submarine. It is clear that the suspicion immediately fell on the British and Americans, whose submarines were there. But if the British zealously defended their innocence, demanding proof from the Russians, then the Americans acted more restrainedly, as if they had something to hide. But the truth was that: on the seabed, rescuers discovered a conning tower fence, which is usually installed on American submarines.

          A few days after the tragedy, a conversation took place between the presidents of the two states, and, apparently, they managed to agree. After a very short period of time, Clinton announced that the United States was abandoning the deployment of a missile defense program. In addition, Russia was forgiven a large debt and even given a loan of 10 billion.

          Now, over the past years, this has been erased from the memory and uninteresting for journalists ... but sometimes, by indirect signs, it is possible to assemble a puzzle ...

          I’ll add - after the death of the boat the director of the CIA flew to Moscow ... then the information about it casually passed on the news ...

          2000 year.
          August 12 - accident "she drowned" nuclear submarine "Kursk".
          August 17 - "The US CIA Director George Tenet is in talks in Moscow with his Russian colleagues, in particular with the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, Sergei Lebedev. The head of US intelligence arrived in the Russian capital on Thursday, RIA Novosti reports."
          (C)
          1. +5
            12 August 2017 12: 45
            Turning on the TV on the day of the disaster, I heard on the RTR announcer- "SF aviation is chasing two submarines leaving for neutral waters, we are following the development of events"
            This was the last intelligible message about the disaster.
          2. 0
            12 August 2017 14: 56
            Now, over the past years, it has been erased from the memory and uninteresting to journalists ... but sometimes it is by indirect signs that you can collect a groove
            l ... Yes
        4. 0
          13 August 2017 13: 03
          There facts are pulled over the ears, the hole is technological, no traces of someone else’s boat were found from the impact, the remains of the hull remain.
    3. Maz
      +1
      12 August 2017 13: 08
      Mutually, I join
    4. +3
      12 August 2017 15: 40
      WE REMEMBER ABOUT YOU !!!
    5. Maz
      +4
      12 August 2017 16: 36
      He wrote a book like that, and asked the sailors: is it possible to use the info about Kursk, so the men asked not to touch it in any way - a very painful place. Highly. They said so - do not touch it without question, it’s sacred, we all walk under God and put bellies for the Fatherland. Water in fluff, heaven knee-deep, memory forever.
      1. 0
        13 August 2017 20: 48
        I suspect that the entire action was carried out with only one purpose - to force the removal of China from service, the last real threat to the American ACG. As for naval aviation and teeming surface ships - I think that American submarines are impossible to hear in principle. This is our roaring cows. And in the USA, almost the first time, we realized that the main thing in the boat is secrecy. Everything should be subordinated only to her alone. The rest is a parasitic function that can be tolerated only as long as it does not affect stealth.
  2. +13
    12 August 2017 08: 10
    Nuclear submarine Kursk. 17 years since death
    The death of Kursk is a tragedy of the Russian fleet. The death of which gave rise to more questions than answers. It seems as if it were yesterday. Relatives, comrades and friends of the victims are my condolences.
    1. +2
      12 August 2017 08: 22
      Quote: Observer2014
      The death of which gave rise to more questions than answers.

      In such cases, it is impossible to determine exactly what happened and how. The situation was the same with Komsomolets - designers and shipbuilders blamed on the naval (and quietly against each other), and naval on designers and shipbuilders.
      In this situation, one cannot get to the truth.
      1. 0
        14 August 2017 13: 39
        C'mon, the order was brought to the boathouse, with a certain list of works, but here (here), unexpected people appear. Which the military rolls out.
        Submarine "Boar" - voila.
  3. +9
    12 August 2017 08: 25
    Eternal memory to the soldiers who have fulfilled their duty to the end.
    IMHO - the death of the boat is a consequence of the terrible collapse of the Russian Armed Forces that organized the "Spotted", and then EBN. It’s scary to think, from what ... I had to get out.
    1. +3
      12 August 2017 09: 09
      This is our tech. failure where to go. I remember everything - the muzzle of the Premier League is still before my eyes. I feel sorry for the guys - a holy memory.
      1. 0
        12 August 2017 13: 14
        and where does the EBN? She drowned did he speak?
  4. +7
    12 August 2017 08: 25
    Eternal memory to the fallen defender of the Motherland !!! soldier
  5. +9
    12 August 2017 08: 34
    Putin knows the most about Kursk ...
    1. +15
      12 August 2017 08: 53
      Quote: anjey
      Putin knows the most about Kursk ...

      Putin knows about everything more than anyone else and he is also the god of Ukrainians.
    2. +6
      12 August 2017 09: 47
      Quote: anjey
      Putin knows the most about Kursk ...

      That's just it does not need to be remembered on such a day. angry

      Good memory to sailors.
      1. +8
        12 August 2017 11: 10
        Professor, you can’t live a day without throwing shit towards the Russians? Are you rubbing it on a Russian site?
        1. +4
          12 August 2017 12: 02
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Professor, you can’t live a day without throwing shit towards the Russians? Are you rubbing it on a Russian site?

          Hunt srach to breed? Not on this branch pliz.
          1. +2
            12 August 2017 14: 30
            Children behave in response to everything - such a thing. So you "professor" first shit, and then throw all sorts of bespontovye excuses.
            You write that you are on a branch, maybe you are a bird, then your irrepressible litter is understandable.
            Pliz is what? Englishman? wassat
      2. +11
        12 August 2017 12: 30
        It seems that if we talk about Putin, then, just to the delight of his then associates, he took all the blame and responsibility for the Kursk disaster upon himself, removing it from the commander of the Kursk, the command of the Northern Fleet and, apparently, many more, in those days, senior figures. He did the right thing or not - I think that it is not right. Another question - could he have done otherwise?
        Many "letting go of the mud" talk about the "secret" of the death of the Kursk! “There is no secret in this disaster.” Remember probably: ““ There is no accident justified and inevitable. Accident and the conditions for its occurrence are created by people with their irresponsibility and illiteracy ”- It has been said a long time ago, but now and in the future it remains relevant.
        The Kursk catastrophe began with an underwater collision with a heavily inferior foreign submarine. located on a perpendicular course. “Kursk”, at low speed, stuck its nasal tip into its left side in the midship region. And then - the launch of the marching engine "Flurry" directly in the torpedo tubes, if it is impossible for the missile to go overboard because of the jammed submarine's front cover of the torpedo tube being jammed by the hull. The jet stream heats the back cover, raising the pressure in the SLT. After a couple of seconds, the tides on the lid are bent and the lid opens, tearing out a piece of TA pipe to which its hinge is fixed. The lid itself is imprinted in the rear bulkhead of the first compartment. The temperature and pressure in the first compartment are increasing. This leads to depressurization of hydrogen peroxide tanks in the 65-76 torpedoes. The released oxygen enhances combustion even more. Somewhere at 70 seconds, the pressure in the first compartment rises by so much that it tears off the stern bulkhead of the first compartment from the hull and destroys everything in the second and onward. At 135 second, under the influence of constantly increasing pressure in the place of the lowest static pressure of sea water, a durable casing ruptures. Further, the Kursk receives a nose gear, the rammed boat, under the influence of an incoming water stream, makes a turn around the bow of the Kursk, hits it with the stern stabilizer on the starboard side and lays on the bottom ground. In turn, the Kursk continues to move with a trim on the nose. The bottom soil, in which it forms a deep furrow, clings to the already destroyed nasal extremity. He loses his move only when the screws come out of the water.

        As for all rumors and gossip, there is a completely reasonable explanation for this. They say that the blame for the explosion of the torpedo 65-76A. - They say in order to remove it from service. After all, because of its range and other characteristics, it is the most effective torpedo for the struggle of submarines with aircraft-bearing formations of our more and more likely enemy.
        But the main "Secret" for me in this tragedy and its consequences are the reasons for the lack of the necessary means of search and rescue support for submarines in the Northern Fleet. Moreover, the absence both then and now - 17 years later.

        Are you all Putin, Putin !? For me, this is how Putin in this situation - the only one from the highest command proved himself to be a caring COMMANDER!
        1. +1
          12 August 2017 12: 51
          What foreign submarine, where?
          Read a professional (though with 941 projects).
          https://legal-alien.ru/akuly-iz-stali/glava-xiii/
          postlednij-pokhod
          The behavior of the command (including Popov) is very well described.
          PS The torpedo was not 65-76A, but 65-76PV. Shoot db namely PV.
          1. +3
            12 August 2017 13: 02
            Quote: AB0877
            What foreign submarine, where?
            Read a professional (though with 941 projects).
            https://legal-alien.ru/akuly-iz-stali/glava-xiii/
            postlednij-pokhod
            The behavior of the command (including Popov) is very well described.
            PS The torpedo was not 65-76A, but 65-76PV. Shoot db namely PV.

            ABOUT! Vanga drew herself!
            1. +2
              12 August 2017 14: 55
              Once again - did you read the article and the books mentioned in it? There are facts. Judging by the time of the "reaction" - no. So what is it about, what is Wang? I do not believe in this audience (soothsayers, foretellers, sorcerers, psychics, etc. priestly brethren) from the word "completely", the 21st century in the yard.
              1. 0
                12 August 2017 16: 58
                By the way, since Vanga was remembered. I now remember how the first channel in the program "Time", one or two years before the tragedy quoted Vanga’s prediction "Kursk will be under water." There was even a report from Kursk, the Kursk NPP. Everyone smiled and no one then guessed what the soothsayer wanted to say. Believe me, I’m still a skeptic, and if I hadn’t specifically seen this report, I would not have believed it (probably like you now No. )
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                  +1
                  12 August 2017 18: 50
                  Watermark, where does such detailed information come from? Or is it just one of the versions?
        2. 0
          12 August 2017 19: 43
          Quote: watermark
          It seems that if we talk about Putin

          I remember that at that time he, having ordered the search and rescue operations, didn’t come there himself, for PR. Personally, I liked it.
        3. 0
          13 August 2017 04: 58
          Water,
          Your theory has a place to be, but how to explain a completely round hole on the starboard side closer to the nose of Kursk? You write about the feed stabilizer, which another submarine hit on the starboard side of Kursk. But, it is unlikely to get such a smooth hole with a stabilizer. There would be a torn hole or part of the stabilizer would come off and sit in this hole. And when the stern was raised, they quickly stopped (forbidden) from photographing the submarine from the starboard side, although the photograph had already leaked to the public.
          1. +5
            13 August 2017 11: 17
            Theories from theorists. In practice, a piece of lightweight body at the site of the impact was carved by a God-like sharp cut by Norwegian divers in their first run and transferred to metal analysis.
  6. +7
    12 August 2017 08: 34
    This is a rainy day in the history of our Navy. the kingdom of heaven and eternal memory to our sailors who died in the performance of military duty. sober to relatives and friends of the deceased.
  7. +7
    12 August 2017 08: 43
    rainy day ... sorrows and sorrows
    for some reason, the events of those days do not fade in memory
    condolences to the whole country
  8. +1
    12 August 2017 09: 01
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: anjey
    Putin knows the most about Kursk ...

    Putin knows about everything more than anyone else and he is also the god of Ukrainians.

    no irony, just the way it is ...
    1. 0
      12 August 2017 09: 09
      Quote: anjey
      no irony, just the way it is ...

      I have the opposite opinion.
      I will quote myself, although this is indecent:
      In such cases, it is impossible to determine exactly what happened and how. The situation was the same with Komsomolets - designers and shipbuilders blamed on the naval (and quietly against each other), and naval on designers and shipbuilders.
      In this situation, one cannot get to the truth.
  9. +1
    12 August 2017 09: 02
    Eternal guys, glory to you !!! We will not forget you. On such as you-Russia stands. For me, I don’t have my own - a stranger - I love you.
  10. +6
    12 August 2017 09: 26
    Eh sailors, we remember you and you are in our souls forever ...
    I read recently (I don’t remember the name ..) officer submarine on the "Kursk" already dying in the dark scribbled "No need to despair .." To whom this message was addressed is unknown ... Most likely, all of us, now living in a resurgent Russia! The terrible death and death of the Kursk is very mysterious, but all this stirred up Russia .. And Putin began to act harshly and uncompromisingly! Otherwise, Russia would have expected the fate of the Kursk nuclear submarine .. Something I again felt sorry for the men .. crying I'm getting old already ..
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    1. +6
      12 August 2017 10: 28
      Not yours, but yours ...
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  12. +7
    12 August 2017 09: 46
    "She drowned." ........ and all. sad
  13. +1
    12 August 2017 09: 46
    Everlasting memory....
  14. +2
    12 August 2017 10: 15
    Memory of the dead, health to relatives!
    It was not announced, where did the hole come from, on the submarine’s hull, with its edges bent inwards, with an internal explosion?
    1. +2
      12 August 2017 10: 30
      The "hole" was formed during the lifting work, "there was already such an" official "explanation. All other versions of its appearance are the" evil insinuations "of the Navalny’s white holders ...
      1. +7
        12 August 2017 10: 41
        It's good to be kidding .....
        To understand what was happening on the KSF (and on other fleets as well) of the junction of the 90's and 00's, one had to serve on ships based from Gremikha to Ura-lip and Severomorsk. If there are such on the site - they will respond and tell
        1. +3
          12 August 2017 11: 01
          Say, "Prank" ... Just who's joking? Mr. P with his unforgettable “she drowned” or those who called the “hole” “damage” when lifting "? So, now, the servicemen will tell you everything. Yeah, right now. It seems to be the Murmansk MAGE and their ship Geophysicist they were working in the area of ​​the Kursk accident using side-scan locators, but they’re unlikely to tell us anything, they probably took non-disclosure subscriptions from everyone, while rumors persisted in Murmansk that they allegedly found fragments from another boat, most likely American. Again, this is just a rumor.
          1. +5
            12 August 2017 11: 09
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            But they are unlikely to tell something, they must have taken non-disclosure subscriptions from everyone. In Murmansk, rumors persisted then that the wreckage was allegedly found from another boat, most likely an American one. Again this is just a rumor

            So you yourself answered - everything is at the level of rumors ....
            Do you really want someone’s blood “in a noble outburst of rage”?
            1. +5
              12 August 2017 11: 19
              And here is a "noble outburst of rage" I wanted to say that those who know something are most likely registered with the FSB and with non-disclosure subscriptions, and we will have to "be content" only with rumors .... Although ... there is such a saying- "there is no smoke without fire" ...
        2. +4
          12 August 2017 12: 07
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          It's good to be kidding .....
          To understand what was happening on the KSF (and on other fleets as well) of the junction of the 90's and 00's, one had to serve on ships based from Gremikha to Ura-lip and Severomorsk. If there are such on the site - they will respond and tell

          just call me - Ilyich, I have already sent this Monster to the ban with the help of a complaint. Right now the bastard is being careful ...
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            1. +3
              12 August 2017 13: 00
              Glory, I'm with you!
              angry
              1. +4
                12 August 2017 13: 06
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Glory, I'm with you!
                angry

                Kovpak started with 12 fighters ... wink Ilyich, if war happens when we are exhausted, angry Now, if after us, the question is already!
                1. +2
                  12 August 2017 14: 45
                  Quote: sabakina
                  Kovpak started with 12 fighters ... wink Ilyich, if war happens when we are exhausted, angry Now, if after us, the question is already!

                  How modest ...
        2. +1
          12 August 2017 12: 22
          Quote: sabakina
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          The "hole" was formed during the lifting work, "there was already such an" official "explanation. All other versions of its appearance are the" evil insinuations "of the Navalny’s white holders ...

          If it were my will, I would give you this "hole" .......


          I'm afraid to guess ... feel "technological stub"? belay
          1. +4
            12 August 2017 12: 26
            Something like that! And as the movie heroine of Faina Ranevskaya said “little!”
      3. +1
        12 August 2017 20: 01
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        The "hole" was formed during the lifting work, "there was already such an" official "explanation. All other versions of its appearance are the" evil insinuations "of the Navalny’s white holders ...

        Do you really believe that a hole in steel 20 mm thick was made by the mechanism and bent the edges inward on one side?
    2. +2
      12 August 2017 10: 52
      If you mean hitting a torpedo, then why missile containers and pipelines between the light and strong hulls do not have severe damage that would have occurred in an explosion? Can the very Flurry rocket deviate so much that it falls into its own submarine? As far as I remember, after launch it is almost not controlled. There are still a lot of questions.
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  15. +3
    12 August 2017 11: 28
    Eternal memory to you, worthy sons of their homeland ...
  16. +2
    12 August 2017 12: 05
    Baba Vanga told us that Kursk would drown .... We did not understand ..... A blessed memory to submariners!
    1. +2
      12 August 2017 21: 06
      I won’t hold back here.
      And the globals are our Globes, I remember walking in Kamchatka near the geysers, they globalized that Kamchatka would drown, cover it with the sea-ocean. Then, a lot of people, having sold quite cheap apartments, rushed off from Kamchatka, there were no tickets to get, they bought them with large overpayments.
      And after all, these filthy globals are still global.
      By the way, your opponents were witty, put the pluses to them. I respect the witty, sorry myself deprived of this gift ((.
  17. +3
    12 August 2017 12: 09
    Quote: sabakina
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    It's good to be kidding .....
    To understand what was happening on the KSF (and on other fleets as well) of the junction of the 90's and 00's, one had to serve on ships based from Gremikha to Ura-lip and Severomorsk. If there are such on the site - they will respond and tell

    just call me - Ilyich, I have already sent this Monster to the ban with the help of a complaint. Right now the bastard is being careful ...

    Well, you slept so ... laughing
    Krovnik acquired .... wassat
  18. +1
    12 August 2017 12: 13
    Eternal memory to you, sailors.
  19. 0
    12 August 2017 14: 07
    In the wake system for death ... Honor the gentlemen, everything that is true and most importantly exactly all the reasons are described. Yes, let the earth be down to Golden, Leo, Rashid and all of you guys
    1. +6
      12 August 2017 15: 42
      This book gives a good chronology of, alas, the wretched actions of the Northern Fleet in eliminating the consequences of the Kursk disaster, rightly noted the complete ignorance of the rescue operations manager, the negligence of the SF Search and Emergency Rescue Department, the unlearnedness of PA commanders and PA carrier ships. And this, unfortunately, everything that is not distorted there. The author "forgot" about the crews of the S-178 (Pacific Fleet, 1981 g.), K-429 (Pacific Fleet, 1983 g.) Saved by the Naval Rescuers, including deep-sea divers. The author believes that on the screen of the sonar mine search station MG-89 it is possible to confuse a school of fish with a submarine body lying motionless on the bottom soil. In his story there are still a lot of things that say that all this was written to order. Unfortunately, we have admirals in stock doing a lot to prevent the restoration of the deep-sea diving service in the Navy. And judging by the fact that for the 17 years the submarine rescue vessel with a deep-sea diving complex of saturated dives on board did not appear on the Northern Fleet, judging by the fact that centralized training for the commanders of rescue deep-sea vehicles is still absent and allowed to solve nothing in this case, the commander of the carrier ship, these retirees have active associates. True to the question, why !? “I cannot find the answer.”
      1. 0
        12 August 2017 17: 35
        I absolutely agree with you - I subscribe to your every word! The Norwegians immediately “opened” the “canned food”, and ours? Kolesnikov companions?
        1. +7
          12 August 2017 18: 42
          And our deep-sea divers just howled from their own powerlessness. After all, there was nothing to go under water, by the 2000th year, the command of the Northern Fleet all rescuers available in the fleet equipped with deep-sea diving complexes had thrown needles.
          Norse!? - Well-groomed, groomed, caressed by their submarine fleet, they came on a very modern ship with dynamic positioning and a deep-sea diving complex of saturated dives. Well, why not work !?
          The statements of our former and current admirals from the submarine fleet that the Soviet and Russian deep-sea divers never saved anyone have never ceased to plunge me into dismay. This is not just a lie! In my opinion, such a thing, flying off the lips of the admiral, can only say that he had not previously read someone cleverly slipped the text.
          1. +2
            12 August 2017 22: 24
            Not certainly in that way. "M. Rudnitsky" with the AS-32 and AS-34 stood, but at 4 o'clock readiness, actually until 23.30 (the time the alarm was announced). But there were really no deep-sea divers (reduced). When the “M. Rudnitsky” approached the scene of the accident, it’s also known as the date when they remembered and dragged the 36th, having previously distorted it on the way. How much and how the arrival of the norgs was coordinated is known for certain by the clock, how they were not coordinated with the LR-5 and what they worked on is the same. Unfortunately, by this time, there were no more survivors on board the Kursk ...
            There can be no complaints against the rescuers (both ours and Norwegian) - they did what they could and how they could. But to the organizers (if you can call them that) of the salvation process ... I have no decent words.
            And in fact: neither in the days of the USSR, nor later was there a single successful deep-sea rescue operation. Alas, in the event of an accident, submariners can only rely on themselves.
            1. +6
              13 August 2017 00: 09
              Quote: kaplei
              In the wake system for death ... Honor the gentlemen, everything that is true and most importantly exactly all the reasons are described.

              I re-read it again. QUOTATION: Chapter IX. Rescue operation: "Talking that the rescue forces of the Russian Navy were destroyed as a result of the reform of the country's armed forces has no arguments. The rescue forces of the Soviet Navy were as helpless as today's rescue forces of the Russian Navy. Of course, Soviet-era rescuers penetrated It would be in the 9th compartment of the Kursk nuclear submarine without the help of foreign experts. At that time, there were deep-sea divers on each fleet. This is the only difference between the salvage forces of the Soviet Navy and the current naval ships asateli. " - Therefore, there is a difference between the MSS of the USSR Navy and the SPASR of the Russian Navy. And if the Author took into account the saved crews of C-178, K-429, then the difference between then and now would increase even more significantly. Well, if I had strained my memory, I would have recalled diving deep-sea work at a depth of 140 meters for examining and preparing for the launch of the North Korean submarine of the 633 project in the 1985 year. (SS “Zhiguli” project 527, SS “Sayany” project 05361 took part in the works. Water-storage complex Chapaev guarded the water area.). It is clear that the author does not remember the search and recovery of the wreckage of the American RS-135 reconnaissance aircraft off the coast of Moneron Island in the Sea of ​​Japan in October-November 1983 at depths up to 170 meters. Meanwhile, almost all the wreckage, all the cargo, all the reconnaissance equipment were lifted. All this was done by the Search and Rescue Service of the Pacific Fleet.
            2. +5
              13 August 2017 00: 13
              Quote: AB0877
              And in fact: neither in the days of the USSR, nor later was there a single successful deep-sea rescue operation. Alas, in the event of an accident, submariners can only rely on themselves.

              But no one could even think of such a phrase in the Soviet Navy! Because they knew they would come and save.
  20. 0
    12 August 2017 17: 58
    Quote: Per se.
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    but we don’t know the truth ...
    Everything secret, dear Andrei Yurievich, someday becomes apparent. The official version of the death of Kursk is version of the explosion of a torpedo 65-76А ("Kit") in the 4 torpedo tubes due to leakage of fuel components of the torpedo... At one time, the official version of the death of the flagship battleship Novorossiysk announced the version of the bombing on an old German bottom mine. I was very interested in this topic, I tried to put an article on the VO, but the respected editors made it impossible without any warnings or warnings; until now, if I try to post something, it will appear that the site administrator has forbidden me to post articles. So think about what you want, both about the editorial board and our "official versions" for the actions of our Anglo-Saxon "friends".


    Poor torpedo, as they just did not bow! Then the manufacturer and the Moscow Region carried out a check: they threw it on the pin from 10 meters. built a fire under it and nothing .. Yes, and fragments of the torpedo do not have traces of internal heating and EXPLOSION ....
  21. +1
    12 August 2017 19: 40
    sad date.
    I can not help but note the signal of the horn "Agenda"

    http://mp3.co/song/4253555/signaly_gorna_Povestka
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  23. +1
    12 August 2017 22: 45
    The blessed memory of the fallen sailors.
    I remember that day, I was in the hospital then. A roommate, when I got into this news, I covered myself with a blanket and began to cry. At first, quietly so that they wouldn’t hear, and then I couldn’t stop myself anymore. He served on the same boat, whom probably knew. A terrible episode.
  24. 0
    13 August 2017 20: 29
    Eternal Memory and Eternal Glory!
  25. 0
    14 August 2017 21: 57
    Fuck, not a single TV channel, not a word, only Zenith fans made a cool speech, raised the topic