In the DPRK explained the route of approach of rockets to Guam

According to information RIA News, referring to the Korean Central Telegraph Agency, the commander of the strategic forces of the Korean Peoples Army, Kim Rak Gema, announced the proposed route of approach of ballistic missiles "Hwason-12"to the American island of Guam.

The strategic forces of the Korean People’s Army are seriously considering a plan for delivering a simultaneous strike with four Hwaseong-12 medium-range missiles to deter enemy forces at main bases in Guam. The Hwaseong-12 rockets will cross the sky over the Japanese prefectures of Shimane, Hiroshima and Kochi. They fly 3356,7 kilometers in 1065 seconds and fall into the waters 30-40 kilometers from Guam.

"Hwaseong-12"

Andersen Air Base and Apra Harbor Naval Base are located on this island. After receiving information about a possible strike by the DPRK, Donald Trump announced the US readiness to respond to the DPRK’s threats with “fire and rage.”

The President of the United States again speaks nonsense about "fire and rage." This gets on the nerves of the infuriated artillerymen of the Hwaseong missiles of the Korean Peoples Army. Dialogue with this guy, devoid of reason, is impossible, only absolute power can affect him.

- believes the general.

As explained by the governor of the archipelago of Guam Eddie Calvo, the inhabitants of the island calmly relate to a possible attack.

Guam’s current threats to the DPRK cause concern, but not panic. Since 2013, this is the third or fourth time Pyongyang has threatened Guam directly.

In this regard, he called on everyone to "remain calm and live their normal lives."

At the same time, during his conversation with TV presenter Fox News, it was noticeable that the latter, being in the continental part of the United States, was much more concerned than the governor.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Guam is not afraid ... Afraid of the USA. Funny ...

[Spartanez300]

Mutual insults and threats will not bring to good eventually, and then chaos will begin.

[xetai9977]

No chaos is foreseen. This fat hamster Una is gutted, to the delight of all those around him.

[Lord of the Sith]

All this will end badly. even with a small conflict, many people may die.

[Vadmir]

even with a small conflict, many people may die.

Especially considering the high population density in the region.

[Log in]

With a small it is 300 million irrevocably?

[LEYBSHTandArts.]

Crazy Nuclear Weapons

[Ren]

Quote: leybshtandartss

Crazy Nuclear Weapons

I completely agree with you, an American baton urgently needs to remove a nuclear baton.
Plus they don’t know how to handle it, how many incidents with nuclear weapons were known to the public, and how many were unknown? It’s even scary to imagine!

[Dezinto]

Yes, nothing will happen !!!

I hope you do not have to re-read this post with regret 20 years later, after hunting for pinnipeds in the desert.

they say - "we were so young and naive"

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: DEZINTO

Yes, nothing will happen !!!

Nikolai agrees, the situation is stalemate, no one will be in the broth.

[Dezinto]

situation

Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Look at the direct participants in the events. So it becomes dumb! From which of them the first to expect a sort of antics? You can make direct bets. And with whom you can’t bet, - all with the risk of losing! ...... I would not even crack ....
Sailed.



On the one hand, Trump, - out there, he shot 60 missiles across Syria, his hand didn’t flinch, not the same, but all the same, he could easily start first! On the other Kim - from which generally ..... understand what to expect. - A curious intrigue!



Yes, I know that everyone will be hurt. And this is a nightmare. But I will be in the front row.

[lance]

one monkey shows 4 pomegranates, and the other one shows a large one ....

[demo]

The difference is not in the grenades, but in their filling.
If you imagine (God forbid) that Eun lupanul in Guam with 4 nuclear heads and only one hit, and even 30 km from the base, then what will Tramp answer?
A similar head?
No.
Near South Korea, China and Japan.
Will have to fight conventional weapons.
And who will go inside the country?
Southern?
And then the Chinese will get involved.
And what kind of meat grinder will be there?
So there is only one option - to disarm Eun while he really didn’t take anything into account.
Protection of sovereignty is an important matter.
But it’s one thing to manage the lives of your soldiers and citizens. And another thing is foreign.
Better let the base in Okinawa fucking. And the fleet will cover both the base and the army with the seaman.
There will be more sense.
Yes, and closer to fly.
And the Japanese to recall their atrocities that they committed in Korea during the occupation.

[igorj 51]

So there is only one option - to disarm Eun while he really didn’t take anything into account.

And who will disarm .. themselves ..? Or assign someone to others ..?

But it’s one thing to manage the lives of your soldiers and citizens. And another thing is foreign.

I see .. a bad example is contagious .. You want to be like Americans, you can rake the heat of others .. So your country, unlike the United States, is not the first superpower in the world both militarily and economically. and even the same Americans still don’t succeed .. But you’re still there ...

Better let the base in Okinawa fucking. And the fleet will cover both the base and the army with the seaman.

Oh how .. Ie the base in Okinawa can be fucked up but the base in Guam can’t .. Cool logic ..! And how do you allow me to ask the American bases on Guam so expensive, since you are defending them like that ..?

There will be more sense.
Yes, and closer to fly.

So the Hwason-12 missiles do not really care where to fly to Guam or Okinawa .. there pilots do not sit inside .. :)))

And the Japanese to recall their atrocities that they committed in Korea during the occupation.

Those. the Japanese can and should be reminded of their atrocities during the occupation and the Americans cannot be reminded of their atrocities during the Korean War ..? Did I understand you correctly..?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: DEZINTO

Yes, I know that everyone will be hurt. And this is a nightmare. But I will be in the front row.

I see a free place nearby ... do not mind?

[Dezinto]

free near ... do not mind?

go ahead, fall down here .... watch this show together ... by the way, you can take a beer in the buffet on credit, let's say return it to the return ashes ..... pff .... the way !! :)))))

[igorj 51]

On the one hand, Trump, - out there, he shot 60 missiles across Syria, his hand didn’t flinch, not the same, but all the same, he could easily start first! On the other Kim - from which generally ..... understand what to expect. - A curious intrigue!

If Trump is simply inadequate, then in the case of Kim, on the contrary, everything is very clear .. He acts strictly within the framework of the Confucian strategy, the more uncertainty, uncertainty, the better .. Actually in East Asian countries, this style of behavior is a traditional norm .. so that in your place I would definitely not make bets ..

[forty-eighth]

If you had written this comment from North Korea, you would have been thrown into jail for political prisoners for 60 years. And all relatives and friends - in the mines. There is no place for Confucianism in the country of Juche ideas.

[igorj 51]

There is no place for Confucianism in the country of Juche ideas.

To begin with, take an interest in what and what ideas exist in this country .. I assure you that you will find out a lot of new and interesting things for yourself .. And yes .. In the DPRK, besides Juche ideas, there are also traditions of Confucianism. there are even Buddhist temples there. as well as Orthodox Christian .. so in this case you are not in the right place ..

[forty-eighth]

I, dear, even though I do not do oriental studies on my own, I closely follow Lankov's notes. There are no reasons to distrust him, and I consider him the most authoritative Russian expert on both Koreas.
And I know perfectly well what is being done there with officials, mentioning Confucius, Jesus or other religious authority.
There are temples, no one disputes, but you ask what periodically happens with their abbots. Looking ahead, I’ll say: nothing good. So I consider your arguments insufficient.

[igorj 51]

I, dear, even though I do not do oriental studies on my own, I closely follow Lankov's notes. There are no reasons to distrust him, and I consider him the most authoritative Russian expert on both Koreas.

I, too, do not do oriental studies on my own, but I am interested in the opinions of not only Lankov, but also other Korean historians such as Zhebin and Asmolov. Which are no less authoritative in both Koreas. And I also have no reason not to believe them. In general, I consider the opinion from only one source of knowledge a priori cannot be objective.

And I know perfectly well what is being done there with officials, mentioning Confucius, Jesus or other religious authority.

And what do they take off there ..? Do not bother to write .. From a mortar they shoot before feeding the dogs ..? Did this Lankov tell you ..?

There are temples, no one disputes, but you ask what periodically happens with their abbots. Looking ahead, I’ll say: nothing good.

Well, take an interest before you write something about which you both speak of neither sleep nor spirit ..

So I consider your arguments insufficient.

For a man accustomed to believe the reprints from "Joseon Ilbo" or "Ronhap" no arguments seem to be sufficient. For if you recognize them as sufficient, you will have to completely reconsider all your political views, and this process is very painful and painful for the brain .. Something like this.

[Großer feldherr]

A smart occasion to show the Americans their missile defense in action if they can cope with at least a North Korean missile.

[rotmistr60]

Kim Rak Göma, Commander of the Strategic Forces of the People’s Army

If the flight route is announced, then either, as always, a verbal threat, or the route is completely different. It’s the same as announcing to the enemy that tomorrow we’ll hit you so much and from there - get ready.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: rotmistr60

It’s the same as announcing to the enemy that tomorrow we’ll hit you so much and from there - get ready.

What if "I'm Going to You"? If, already, he is so extravagant, authoritarian and conceited as they put him out, so that he would not wish for a thousand-year memory of himself ... Yeah, Kim Jong Slav.

[Alexandr2637]

Oh, and this enraged fat-assed jerk-teen Kim will play out.

[VIT101]

Quote: Alexandr2637

Oh, and this enraged fat-assed jerk-teen Kim will play out.

Easy to brainwash you. Less rummaging around on liberoid sites, you will be smarter.

[igorj 51]

The strategic forces of the Korean People’s Army are seriously considering a plan to deliver a simultaneous strike with four medium-range Hwason-12 missiles to deter enemy forces at major bases in Guam. Hwason-12 missiles will cross the sky over the Japanese prefectures of Shimane, Hiroshima and Koshi. They will fly 3356,7 kilometers in 1065 seconds and fall into the water 30-40 kilometers from Guam

But I don’t understand what considerations the North Korean generals were guided by when planning the point of missile fall 30-40 km from the island ..? Isn’t it easier to hit the same 4 missiles directly on the island i.e. on the bases ..? Well, let's say two missiles for each of the two bases, two for the air force and two for the naval ..? As I understand it, they plan to hit rockets with YaBCh ...

[forty-eighth]

The tsunami triggered by the explosion is much more dangerous, more reliable and more destructive.

[igorj 51]

The tsunami triggered by the explosion is much more dangerous, more reliable and more destructive.

For some reason, I think that the reason is different .. A large number of civilians live there. But North Korean generals are still not as bloodthirsty as this American "Crazy Dog" threatening them with the destruction of an entire nation ..

[pvv113]

In this regard, he called on everyone to "remain calm and live their normal lives."

Nothing contributes to panic like a call to keep calm

[Old26]

Quote: Großer Feldherr

A smart occasion to show the Americans their missile defense in action if they can cope with at least a North Korean missile.

The occasion may be gorgeous. Here are just the end result may be "not very". And for everyone. The question is not whether the Americans will cope with the North Korean infantry. The question is different. The Americans will not wait for a missile warhead to fall 30-40 km from Guam or to Guam itself. Clearly, Eun is bluffing. Sending 4 missiles “to Guam” is, of course, provoking the Americans to retaliate. Let them probably be "empty", without BG, only with a simulator. But the other side does not know, with or without warheads.
Therefore, he will try to bring them down and ....
But then there may be options
1. Resist and show the world how inadequate Eun is by choosing such an aiming point
2. To strike at the DPRK, against the very 20 goals that were declared.

And further. I understand that now there will be a mass post such as Eun "in your own right" so shoot and the like. At one time, my first boss told me something like this: "Want to know what your counterpart (opponent, opponent) will do - put yourself in his place and see how you will act".
And now, use this example and just replace the island of Guam, for example, on the island of Sakhalin, or the city of Vladivostok. And suppose what you would do when your radar systems would record the launch of missiles in your direction (without notifications through official structures, as it should be during exercises), which would all come closer to you and come closer. Would you kill them or let them drift, maybe they won’t get there?

Quote: igorj 51

But I don’t understand what considerations the North Korean generals were guided by when planning the point of missile fall 30-40 km from the island ..? Isn’t it easier to hit the same 4 missiles directly on the island i.e. on the bases ..? Well, let's say two missiles for each of the two bases, two for the air force and two for the naval ..? As I understand it, they plan to hit rockets with YaBCh ...

In one case (when the aiming point is next to Guam) it is a grand provocation that the US is pushing to respond to, in the second case they are aggressors. Although you are right about the quantity. The power of warheads is unlikely to be more than 30-40 kt, accuracy (even if they managed to double it) is still somewhere around 1,5-1,8 km. You can miss one. With two - the defeat will surely be 100%

Quote: forty-eighth

The tsunami triggered by the explosion is much more dangerous, more reliable and more destructive.

What tsunami are you talking about? A tsunami (in its classical sense) does not form from a nuclear weapon explosion. The wave is yes. So with an explosion at the bottom of a 100 megaton munition, at a distance of 40 km, the wave would indeed be 50 meters high, but not at 30 or 40 KILOTON charge

[igorj 51]

Clearly, Eun is bluffing.

How is it..? Yes, and if you read their statement impressively, this was by no means told by the ON, but by the general who commanded the Serbian Korean strategic deterrence forces. It’s the same as if the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia made a statement about plans to launch a missile strike on, say, missile defense bases in eastern Europe. It is clear that this general, without the permission of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief in this case, Una cannot make such a decision. But Eun’s statement on this subject has not yet been. But then everyone began to get hysterical about this .. And you remember how many such statements have been made and periodically expressed by Russian military commanders from the Moscow Region and the General Staff .. And what ..? Something is not heard of tantrums on this occasion .. In general, such plans have a NORMAL practice for all nuclear countries. Remember how many such plans the Americans had for delivering nuclear strikes against the USSR. I’m sure that in the USSR, as in present-day Russia, such plans were and are. In case of the beginning of military aggression against Russia. so there is no need for tantrums and no need to be likened to Trump and his "Crazy Dog" from the Pentagon ...

So, with an explosion at the bottom of a 100 megaton munition, at a distance of 40 km, the wave would indeed be 50 meters high, but not at 30 or 40 KILOTON charge

And where did you get the idea that the explosion will be at the bottom, why not on the surface of the ocean or at a relatively shallow depth ..? Yes, and three or even four 30-40 kiloton explosions will give a wave no less than ONE 100 kiloton ..

[region58]

Quote: Old26

1. Resist and show the world how inadequate Eun is.

It would be nice, but I do not remember that the Americans restrained in order to show something to the world, rather the opposite: to show - they did not restrain themselves in anything ...

[megadeth]

North Korea honors and respects. That is who would need military assistance and pressure through bargaining on the northerners on Japan, South Korea and the FSA. ATGMs are preparing to deliver to Dill, and we are air defense systems in the DPRK.

[nesvobodnye]

The US will start first if this happens. I don’t remember a single DPRK aggression towards neighboring countries, but the states always iron everyone in a row.

[Walanin]

On June 25, 1950, it was the North Koreans who launched the offensive to the south.

[nesvobodnye]

So I'm wrong. Once the Koreans started, and 1 - the United States. But my opinion has not changed, the United States will start first if there is a conflict.
However, it seems to me that everything will end with the next negotiations.

[Walanin]

The fact is that the North Koreans were the first to start a war. For which they rounded off isolation and poverty.

[Old26]

Quote: igorj 51

How is it..? Yes, and if you read their statement impressively, this was by no means told by the ON, but by the general who commanded the Serbian Korean strategic deterrence forces. It’s the same as if the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia made a statement about plans to launch a missile strike on, say, missile defense bases in eastern Europe. It is clear that this general, without the permission of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief in this case, Una cannot make such a decision. .

You yourself answered your own question. The general could also say, but such a statement, especially in a country such as the DPRK, he could not physically make on his behalf. There was good from the "Great Leader." so in this case everyone understands who is behind the general’s back. The only plus for Un - the general can always be blamed for betrayal and shot, saying that it was his personal initiative

Quote: igorj 51

But Eun’s statement on this subject has not yet been ..

But is it necessary? In a country where the leader is actually a monarch, irremovable until his death, something like this can happen, such a statement can be made without his knowledge. Plus for Eun in only one. You can always declare the betrayal of this general and then dissolve him

Quote: igorj 51

But then everyone began to hysteria about this ...

And you think. that everyone should take it as a joke? I have already proposed putting myself in the place of the same Americans (regarding Guam). “Would we hysteria if such rhetoric was related to us, and that in response to our provocations, the DPRK would strike in the direction of Sakhalin (or Vladivostok)? Would we consider this a kind joke of the good-natured Un, not even made by him but his general?

Quote: igorj 51

Do you remember how many such statements have been made and periodically expressed by Russian military leaders from the Defense Ministry and the General Staff .. And what ..? Something is not heard of tantrums on this occasion .. In general, such plans have a NORMAL practice for all nuclear countries. Remember how many such plans the Americans had for delivering nuclear strikes against the USSR. I’m sure that in the USSR, as in present-day Russia, such plans were and are. In case of the beginning of military aggression against Russia. so there is no need for tantrums and no need to be likened to Trump and his "Crazy Dog" from the Pentagon ...

But from now on in more detail. When representatives of the Russian (Soviet) Defense Ministry and the General Staff made statements that, for example, the provocative exercises of NATO countries not far from the borders of the USSR (Russia) would strike us in the direction, at least of islands like the British. Remind me ....
As for the plans, these are the plans. They are DO NOT SOUND on the air, as was done in North Korea and become known after decades.

[igorj 51]

The general could also say, but such a statement, especially in a country such as the DPRK, he could not physically make on his behalf. There was good from the "Great Leader."

And what's the difference in which country ..? In any country, any general, as a matter of fact, cannot speak fully on his own behalf since behind him there is ALWAYS the Supreme Commander.

And you think. that everyone should take it as a joke? I have already proposed putting myself in the place of the same Americans (regarding Guam).

Well, why ... It should be taken as a warning. That you should not go into the DPRK with your attempts to "democratize" this country and destroy the regime, as that same Pentagon chief James Mettisda did at the same time and threatened to destroy the whole people .. Do you already know the open appeal to mk genocide i.e. the gravest INTERNATIONAL crime according to the at least somehow valid international law .. And I’m absolutely sure that Mettis, nicknamed "Rabid Dog", couldn’t say all this purely without Trump’s approval .. So your harmonious theory about which democratic regime is or not absolutely does not matter.

What, would we consider this a sweet joke of the good Un, even made not by himself but by his general?

This should be considered a forced statement by the general responsible for the defense capability of his country from external aggression. And one must act so that diplomatic measures would prevent such a military conflict.

But from now on in more detail. When representatives of the Russian (Soviet) Defense Ministry and the General Staff made statements that, for example, the provocative exercises of NATO countries not far from the borders of the USSR (Russia) would strike us in the direction, at least of islands like the British. Remind me ....

Lord .. Yes, there were a lot of such statements .. You suggest I spend the whole evening browsing through ALL sources on the Internet in search of such statements or statements .. I wrote from memory as I remember and myself I read such statements earlier .. if you are not lazy and not sorry for your time then you can google ..

As for the plans, these are the plans. They are NOT SOUND on the air, as was done in North Korea and become known after decades.

Well .. And during the Caribbean crisis, American plans to strike in Cuba were also not announced on the air ..? And WHAT let me ask now the situation on the Korean peninsula is different from the Caribbean crisis ..?

[Kostadinov]

Quote: igorj 51

But I don’t understand what considerations the North Korean generals were guided by when planning the point of missile fall 30-40 km from the island ..? Isn’t it easier to hit the same 4 missiles directly on the island i.e. on the bases ..?

This will be a military exercise in response to the B-1 flights from Guam and the imitation of nuclear attacks on the DPRK. No nuclear warheads, only a demonstration is expected outside the territorial waters of the United States.

[igorj 51]

This will be a military exercise in response to the B-1 flights from Guam and the imitation of nuclear attacks on the DPRK. No nuclear warheads, only a demonstration is expected outside the territorial waters of the United States.

And yet, yes .. literally just read in the internet the details of the decision to launch 4 missiles in Guam:
http://infomaxx.ru/analitika/kndr-v-tselyah-demon
stratsii-zapustit-4-ballisticheskie-raketyi-bez-b
ch-po-baze-vms-ssha.html

A brief retelling of the official North Korean document is as follows.

To demonstrate its military power to the United States, North Korea will fire four Hwasong-12 medium-range missiles toward Japan. However, this time they will not fall into the Sea of ​​Japan, as usual, but will fly over the Japanese prefectures of Shimane, Hiroshima and Koichi, after which they will fall into the sea 30 kilometers from the US Navy base on the island of Guam. General Kim Rak Gyom, the Commander of the KPA Strategic Forces, has already been ordered to prepare for missiles an appropriate flight mission, which will be entered into the Hwasong-12 on-board computers by mid-August. After that, General Kim Rak Gyom will wait for the order of his Supreme Commander-in-Chief to press the necessary buttons and arrange a demonstration launch for the United States.

Missiles will be without nuclear warheads i.e. with warhead simulators.