Stabbing with the participation of dozens of contract soldiers in the military unit of the Sverdlovsk region. MO denies

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Alarming come from the Urals news about a mass brawl with a knife fight in one of the military units. In total, more than a hundred and fifty military personnel serving under the contract took part in the fray. We are talking about an incident in the military unit 31612, located in the village of Elan, Sverdlovsk region. Reports the information portal about it Ura.ru.

According to some information, during the fight, the contract soldiers were divided into two peculiar camps. On one side - the servicemen who arrived in Elan for the training camp from the Republic of Tuva, on the other side - the servicemen of the local garrison. The Tuvan contract soldiers were about 60 people.
It is noted that the recruits in the fight did not take part.

It all started with the fact that after the passage of fees, Tuvinian contract soldiers decided to arm themselves with knives and in the barracks to “deal” with those who had previously exposed them to certain claims. During the fight and stabbing, 14 people were injured, among them one officer. According to the latest data, all the wounded are soldiers of the Elansky garrison.

The furniture was broken, several windows were broken.

In connection with the incident, a criminal case was initiated, the investigation of which will be dealt with by representatives of the Investigation Department of the Central Investigation Department of the RF IC. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu intends to arrive in the Sverdlovsk Region personally.

Less than two weeks ago, the oath of conscripts-recruits took place at the Elani military unit.

Stabbing with the participation of dozens of contract soldiers in the military unit of the Sverdlovsk region. MO denies


The Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation stated that there was no stabbing in Elani, and that the soldiers had received easy abrasions.

And this is a photo of the portal Ura.ru, claiming that the pictures were taken exactly in Elani:



The message of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation also states that no evidence of alcohol use by servicemen was revealed.
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  1. +16
    3 August 2017 13: 13
    Those guilty in court .... and those who participated in the fray and those who had been advised before
    1. +9
      3 August 2017 13: 16
      Yes, there are smart people who knock on us without a hat ...
    2. +37
      3 August 2017 13: 18
      one hundred%. The mess in ANY military unit in the first place is a useless command. Where there are normal Officers, this never happens. Any conflict has a beginning, it was this beginning that needed to be stopped! And this is the DIRECT duty of the staff.
      1. +11
        3 August 2017 13: 40
        If these “soldiers” are now being planted, undermining defenses (some of them have now clearly lost their combat readiness), then the brave raiders will immediately begin to smear themselves, hiding behind the skirts of the committee of soldiers' mothers.
      2. +26
        3 August 2017 13: 45
        The quality of the contractors is doubtful, just somehow overheard the conversation between the two contractors. But the loot is paid not bad, rations for sale, luggage allowance is not weak. And most importantly there is no particular strain! We in the CA served for the Motherland, and these for the good ?! I would go to serve in the modern army, since there is spiritual motivation, but the material incentives are not bad. But I'm old already. But here the number of incidents with contractors on our Sakhalin rolls! Either they cut each other, then they swim on the ice on the sea, then the drunken wander along the roads instead of sidewalks and die under the wheels! The army has become just a source of nishtyakov, well, in which case you can just blame on the civilian if that.
        1. Don
          +7
          3 August 2017 15: 30
          Quote: ydjin
          We in the CA served for the Motherland, and these for the good ?!

          The army is part of the country's citizens, as is the police. Ugh, the police, of course, I forget all the time. A whole generation has grown up, which is not that they did not serve in the SA, but were not even born under the USSR. It is difficult to blame anyone specifically that everyone wants benefits, and not just for the idea. It will be correct to recall the saying that fish rots from the head.
        2. +1
          3 August 2017 18: 34
          For composing 2 points, sit down.
        3. 0
          4 August 2017 14: 26
          We in the CA served for the Motherland, and these for the good ?!


          Well, that was in the SA. Then the world with an extremely brutal degree of bitterness was divided roughly into 2 ideologically different and warring camps. With naturally the same ideological tension in each of them. And even at that time, pioneers, red ties and other military equipment were being sold to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

          It was always difficult to find candidates with ideological motivation, and in the current non-ideological world of victorious capitalism, even more so. Well, the real salaries of the contractors are such that it is not an intelligent young man with good education and upbringing that seeks to go there, but people without any serious specialty, very often from settlements where there is no work, etc. The first job for 20 thousand will be miraculously found in a civilian with much lesser burden and responsibility, and the second, everything that shines in his native village is 10 thousand, and the army gives 20 at the beginning and a number of benefits.
      3. +4
        3 August 2017 17: 48
        one hundred%. The mess in ANY military unit in the first place is a useless command


        Add my "five cents" is also a selection in the ranks of the Armed Forces, how are they recruited for the service? suitable for the body but not suitable for the head, where are the psychiatrists who should identify such elements?
    3. +7
      3 August 2017 14: 36
      473rd district educational center for the training of junior specialists of the motorized rifle troops of the Central Military District (military unit 31612)
      And what is there to be surprised.?
      The unified school system of education and upbringing is broken. That's the result. It is deplorable And twice deplorable. Which is in the training center
    4. +10
      3 August 2017 18: 59
      Quote: Black
      and those who have been advised before

      Them first.
      And I would have fired all the “contract soldiers" who participated in the fight with a wolf ticket, it’s not some soldiers but some bull’s, they disgraced the honor of the uniform.
    5. 0
      6 August 2017 21: 54
      If we are talking about Tuvans, this is only evidence that there was a stabbing. They are like that - they don’t go without a knife and just get it.
  2. +10
    3 August 2017 13: 15
    They say if no one was stabbed to death at a Tuvan wedding, the wedding went badly! So it’s not surprising.
    1. +12
      3 August 2017 13: 57
      This was done by the Shoigu guards from the Tuvan brigade. Marshal Shoigu, in case of the Great Arctic Fox, is preparing his army for his own Tuvan Khanate.
      The 55th separate motorized rifle brigade (mountain) is a motorized rifle brigade designed for combat operations in mountainous conditions.
      The deployment of the brigade in Kyzyl, the Republic of Tuva. The personnel is formed largely from the natives of Tuva and the surrounding regions.

      1. +9
        3 August 2017 15: 26
        Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
        take his army for his own Tuvan Khanate.

        is it really bad?
        1. 0
          3 August 2017 21: 49
          quite real, the more he pulled his fence.
      2. +4
        3 August 2017 16: 16
        Alexey Vladimirovich, you went over a little? If you have enough left over, then the Martians will appear
        1. +2
          3 August 2017 18: 40
          Sir, what's the problem ?! Do you doubt the existence of the 55th brigade or that Army General Shoigu is worthy of his own khanate as Kadyrov?
    2. +2
      3 August 2017 18: 17
      And where was they stabbed? Have you ever seen how much blood comes from being stabbed? Or are you talking about those 3 drops from a broken nose in the photo?
  3. +20
    3 August 2017 13: 16
    Tuvans. No more questions. Reckless when they drown. And they like to grab knives. Faced.
    Persuasion does not work there, you must immediately cut down or handcuff it.
    1. +20
      3 August 2017 13: 29
      In our unit, all Tuvans with a knife under the pillow were sleeping. Once every two weeks, at night, we disarm them. And after a couple of days they are again with knives ...
      There was blood, they could just crawl on the floor with their faces ...
      1. +13
        3 August 2017 13: 37
        Quote: Logall
        In our unit, all Tuvans with a knife under the pillow were sleeping. Once every two weeks, at night, we disarm them. And after a couple of days they are again with knives ...

        They’re all bread-growers, probably ... what
        1. +7
          3 August 2017 13: 52
          Apparently Tuva will soon be replenished with shepherds.
        2. +4
          3 August 2017 14: 04
          That's why they lie about Tuvans who are all with knives? In the picture there are only 5 knives for seven Tuvan guards! Or two knives under the pillows forgot?
          1. +5
            3 August 2017 14: 11
            Quote: UAZ 452
            In the picture there are only 5 knives

            Шесть wink
          2. +17
            3 August 2017 14: 28
            Quote: UAZ 452
            Or two knives under the pillows forgot?

            Under the fur coat "KATANA"!
            1. +2
              3 August 2017 15: 33
              Quote: Logall
              Under the fur coat "KATANA"!

              Bebuts or Beibuts, short sabers, up to 700-600 mm, were recalled on this site not long ago. smile
              1. +1
                3 August 2017 21: 57
                Beibut, the name of the Turkic peoples as well as Eloman, Eloman is also a name but this is a special sharpening of sabers. The tip, very impetuous and uncompromising people in communication.
                I can do Shpakovsky laughing In armament of the Türks. laughing
          3. +7
            3 August 2017 16: 14
            Quote: UAZ 452
            That's why they lie about Tuvans who are all with knives?

            - When I made a film about mountain shooters, the unit commander praised the Tuvans very much, as they were born warriors specifically for this military academy. He added after a pause: “One thing is bad - they don’t know how to drink. You can drink with him all evening, and you won’t be better than friends. Suddenly he bridges - he grabs a knife and thrusts you. It’s not clear why and for what. First and foremost, I’m I’ll take away all the knives from them. Well, more often I’ll send them to the mountains for secrets and patrols. There is no vodka there! " With these words, the colonel came up and opened a cabinet full of knives taken from Tuvans. What kind of knives were not there !!!
            1. +1
              3 August 2017 17: 50
              The Polkan is just an example of the right commander - he used the personnel in accordance with his features, turning their flaws into advantages, and did not stupidly try to comb everyone under one comb. Respect to him!
        3. +3
          3 August 2017 14: 09
          Quote: Anatol Klim
          They’re all bread-growers, probably ..

          Projectionist, clerk and bread maker! © smile
        4. +3
          3 August 2017 15: 33
          To Syria, in a crowd
  4. +8
    3 August 2017 13: 17
    Gentlemen, I ask you not to get excited with the comments .... Recently, fake stuffing has become more frequent, at least take the case of the "paratrooper" (which turned out to be a dill) and NTV! Let's wait for the specifics!
    1. +16
      3 August 2017 13: 21
      So this news smacks of frank throwing to me, especially since the source is the only one.
      1. +12
        3 August 2017 13: 25
        Sources of dofig, but not a single serious one. Some “yellow” newspapers and, of course, liberal publications that came out with bloody headlines. Now they definitely need to denigrate our army, at any cost. Even if there was something in this part, but certainly not such bedlam as they wrote in the liberal voice of Yöburg - "Ura.ru". hi
        1. +14
          3 August 2017 13: 35
          hi All of these "yellow" refer to ura.ru, therefore I’m talking about a single source and I don’t really believe ... I believe this more: http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2916961
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        3. +7
          3 August 2017 13: 50
          There is only one source - cheers. And this is one of the most lying trash
      2. +10
        3 August 2017 13: 48
        Quote: Jedi
        So this news smacks of frank throwing to me, especially since the source is the only one.

        https://vz.ru/news/2017/8/3/881289.html
        https://news.rambler.ru/incidents/37556179-nazvan
        a-prichina-massovoy-draki-soldat-na-urale /
        There are enough sources! Google laziness. CVO MO will refute and prove the opposite. Everything is as usual. I admit the veracity of media reports. The investigation will show if the results are not classified. hi
    2. +6
      3 August 2017 13: 21
      yeah, EXPRESS !!!
      1. +4
        3 August 2017 13: 26
        And who's talking about lies ??? They offer specifics from the place to wait! You do not misinterpret the words!
        1. +1
          3 August 2017 13: 34
          show what and in what place did I misinterpret?
      2. +1
        3 August 2017 14: 12
        Quote: Walanin
        yeah, EXPRESS !!!

        Today everything can be. Remember the story of the “sawn down Gagarin cedar” (and the articles also included a “photo from the scene” - a stump surrounded by “activists”) - which in fact turned out to be an old larch on the other side of the street. And the squeal in the media was ...
        1. 0
          3 August 2017 19: 47
          so I say EXPRESS !!!
    3. +5
      3 August 2017 13: 36
      Quote: Black_PR
      Gentlemen, I ask you not to get excited with the comments .... Recently, fake stuffing has become more frequent, at least take the case of the "paratrooper" (which turned out to be a dill) and NTV! Let's wait for the specifics!

      Such epaulettes do not go out for every fight, so it looks like a serious matter
      At the moment, a large working group of senior officers of the Central Military District has arrived at the training center to investigate the emergency. “We are still working. When we collect all the necessary information about the circumstances so that this is not to the detriment of the case, then we can comment, ”said Alexey Sadovsky, deputy head of the military investigation department for the Central Military District of the RF IC.
    4. +1
      3 August 2017 13: 37
      Well, I don’t know, there is no smoke without fire Shoigu, by the way already arrived in Yekaterinburg (according to local news broadcast)
      1. 0
        3 August 2017 18: 43
        [quote = DenZ] Well, I don’t know ... quote] but if you don’t know, don’t even say it.
    5. +1
      3 August 2017 16: 10
      at least take the case with the "paratrooper" (which turned out to be dill) and NTV!


      Since when is the person who shouted "We will capture all of Ukraine!" became dill?
  5. +5
    3 August 2017 13: 18
    Sayan "independent"? In vain they promoted this subject. Nafig contracts, and let the military prosecutor deal with them.
  6. 0
    3 August 2017 13: 19
    already refuted ....
    https://www.vz.ru/news/2017/8/3/881303.html
    1. +11
      3 August 2017 13: 22
      So this is a holy thing. The Ministry of Defense always denies everything. For hats will already fly, and if litter is taken out of the hut, then high-ranking hats will fly.
    2. +2
      3 August 2017 16: 16
      In fact, confirmed.

      The ministry confirmed that on August 2, in the training camp of the Central Federal District on the basis of a domestic conflict, a skirmish occurred between contract servicemen, which grew into a fight.

      “During the conflict, several servicemen, as well as a junior officer pulling out the contract soldiers, received minor injuries and abrasions,”


      “Rumors about alleged use of edged weapons by conflicting contractors are an absolute lie”


      And then any legally savvy person immediately understands that it could easily be that there was a stabbing without the use of knives. Because a knife is just a knife, and cold steel as applied to a knife is such a large set of signs and such a rarity that in the army it is only bayonet-knives. And an ordinary knife bought in a hunting or other store does not fall under XO.
  7. +2
    3 August 2017 13: 19
    As there was a problem hole, it remained .. (. 03516 1990)
  8. +6
    3 August 2017 13: 22
    MO refutes


    As always. "Everything is fine with us, everything is under control" ...
    So it was with Chernobyl, they poisoned the whole country and hid the catastrophe.
    1. +2
      3 August 2017 13: 28
      and one of the leaders of the destructive sect called this accident the "Chernobyl miracle"
    2. +2
      3 August 2017 13: 30
      Nobody has poisoned your country, except yourself, of course!
    3. +2
      3 August 2017 13: 38
      Another exhaust Rabinovich wink
    4. +2
      3 August 2017 15: 28
      Quote: KGB_CRU
      As always

      burning again
  9. +7
    3 August 2017 13: 23
    Video where ?! All have phones, I want to check out in HD.
    1. +6
      3 August 2017 13: 32
      Quote: Smoked
      Video where ?!

      This is Elan - an abnormal zone, all of them have run out of batteries at once! People can’t get on the bus, so the whole stop immediately takes off, but here I don’t what
      1. +1
        3 August 2017 14: 14
        Quote: Serg65
        This is Elan - an abnormal zone, all of them have run out of batteries at once!

        You have to be careful with this - otherwise, jumps and tridents from fat are usually included in the set for “mobile on discharge”. smile
        1. +2
          3 August 2017 14: 27
          Quote: Alexey RA
          You have to be careful with this.

          I use contraception bully
          hi Приветствуем!
  10. +2
    3 August 2017 13: 23
    banditry however
  11. +1
    3 August 2017 13: 28
    I wonder where it came from. Some Asians, others ...
  12. +3
    3 August 2017 13: 29
    I had a friend there in training in 2010, I still cringe at the mention of Elani. Generally a lot of negative reviews
    1. +7
      3 August 2017 13: 36
      And I was there in the 90th, so for 27 years, neither x ... nor what has changed ... hi
  13. +4
    3 August 2017 13: 47
    Of course, I apologize, but on duty, I have had to be at the scene more than a dozen times on similar occasions, and more serious, but I have not seen red spots like blood anywhere. The photo clearly paint. After 10 minutes, the blood turns into brown or black spots.
    1. +5
      3 August 2017 14: 12
      In fact, "on duty", you should know that digital photo does not provide natural color reproduction. Therefore, all photographic tables in the classics of forensics are black and white, or you need a special color rendition scale along with a scale ruler.
      1. 0
        3 August 2017 14: 41
        I appreciate your knowledge of forensic science, especially with a scale ruler, this is a photo published by URA.RU
      2. 0
        3 August 2017 18: 52
        Not only color reproduction but also the amount of color reproduction. Blood max. They knocked out a tooth.
    2. +1
      3 August 2017 14: 16
      - Do not dare to say so! - Virginia exclaimed, stamping her foot. “It’s you who are ill-mannered, terrible and vulgar, and as for honesty, you yourself know very well who dragged paint from my drawer to induce your stupid bloody stain.” At first, all the red colors, including the scarlet ones, disappeared, so that I could no longer depict sunsets, then you took away the emerald green and yellow chrome, and it ended up that I had nothing left but indigo and Chinese white, and I had to limit myself landscapes with moonlight, and they are so dull, and it's terribly difficult to draw them. But I didn’t get anyone to bother you, although I was very angry. In general, all this is terribly stupid: well, does emerald blood happen?

      “What could I do?” The ghost said with some embarrassment. “In modern times, it is not so easy to get real blood, and since your precious brother decided to use his“ model cleaner ”, and that was how it all began, I had no choice but to use your paints. As for color, then, you know, a matter of taste. Canterville, for example, has blue blood, the bluest in all of England. However, you Americans are not interested in such things.

      © Oscar Wilde. The Canterville Ghost .
  14. +4
    3 August 2017 14: 03
    Well, now the whole high-ranking diaspora is going to help out the fellow tribesmen, although by mind they should take off their pants and flog everyone before the formation.
  15. +4
    3 August 2017 14: 05
    again, these disassemblies are national ... a similar command can stop even in the bud. they are in groups if they are going to be small then trouble may already be. and here the whole crowd. with the Dagestanis were tormented in due time now by this. madhouse full ... I hope the reprimand will not do.
  16. +2
    3 August 2017 14: 08
    no offense .. but I never saw a living Tuvinian (served in the SA)
    1. +3
      3 August 2017 14: 15
      Quote: without reverse
      no offense .. but I never saw a living Tuvinian (served in the SA)

      And Shoigu? laughing
      1. 0
        3 August 2017 15: 44
        he is Tuvinian only by father, by mother - Russian
        1. +1
          3 August 2017 15: 48
          Quote: reservist
          by mother - Russian

          The Turks, alas, is considered to be the father but the mother, a moot point, the Jews can consider him their own. laughing
      2. 0
        3 August 2017 18: 56
        Uh, Shoigu then built the go?
  17. PPD
    +2
    3 August 2017 14: 09
    The usual thing, alas.
    We also had parts. In a new appeal in quarantine — the Caucasus against ours — all the stools, belts, went into action, then they began to beat the glass and wrapped the debris with a towel ...
    And then the guard came running and planted a couple of shops on the ceiling. Only then did everyone come to their senses.
    There were no victims, everything returned to normal. Although the suburbs.
    1. +1
      3 August 2017 14: 19
      Quote: PPD
      And then the guard came running and planted a couple of shops on the ceiling. Only then did everyone come to their senses.

      If the memory has not changed since the 80s at the guard, the store had 10 rounds.
      This is not the army of the German Democratic Republic, four full shops in a pouch, a helmet and a thing bag, with dry clothes and replaceable clothes. And also an overcoat folded into a pipe around, a satchel. At least join the battle.
      1. 0
        3 August 2017 15: 30
        Quote: marshes
        since the 80s at the guard, the store had 10 rounds.

        I don’t know how in 80, but in 90 I went to the guard with 4 shops (full).
        1. +1
          3 August 2017 15: 39
          Quote: Olegovi4
          I don’t know how in 80, but in 90 I went to the guard with 4 shops (full).

          Looking where.
          If in the SURVEILLANCE, a border outfit comes out with 50 theme rounds, that is, two stores of 25 each.
          And the outfit in the KZ began to be worn with helmets and armor after the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan.
          Of course, it’s easier to catch a guard with 10 rounds of ammunition, my father did it in 80. Quite often there were shoots. It was good that they didn’t reach the seizure of planes and hostages.
      2. +7
        3 August 2017 18: 39
        And what, UG AND COP from the 80s canceled? belay
  18. +1
    3 August 2017 14: 21
    no evidence of alcohol consumption by military personnel

    not drunk and not because of women feel hot guys am

  19. +7
    3 August 2017 14: 28
    Nothing is clear from the photographs. Because of a broken nose there will be a sea of ​​blood. Chairs stand still. If there was kneading there would be no such grace. Shitty fried was thrown out.
    1. 0
      3 August 2017 14: 58
      Nuuu, as it were, there could be a very small part of the sfotkan, and the knife wounds themselves may not be deep ...
  20. +13
    3 August 2017 14: 34
    I was "lucky" to serve in the "royal troops" - in the construction battalion. This is in 1999-2000. Urgency. Our company commander has always said that an unoccupied soldier is a criminal. What an conscript, what a contractor. We did not have a moment of rest. Everything was served - from the salag to the demobilization. Everyone came to the location exhausted. There was no time for disassembly and strength. They washed, made fun and fought back. But among us there were not only yesterday’s students, like me, but also drug addicts and drug addicts, and there were 3 citizens from the Caucasus, I’m not saying that there were even those convicted under petty charges, such as the theft of national property.
    It all depends on the officers, if they can occupy a soldier’s business from dawn to dusk, then the order will be in part. no - get hazing and criminality. Personal time is set according to the Charter 1 hour per day (I did not check), be kind enough to put myself and my form in order, write a letter to my beloved, exchange a few words with my friends, have a smoke and execute the “End” command. The rest of the time, the soldier must be constantly busy with something.
    Apparently in Elany, contract soldiers are paid a lot for doing nothing, and therefore conflicts arise on far-fetched occasions.
    1. +1
      3 August 2017 15: 52
      Quote: mark2
      . Our company commander has always said that an unoccupied soldier is a criminal.

      This was even said in Kazakhstan even earlier, remember a fighter without work as a criminal, these are companies, outposts, and companies of a battalion detachment were repeating to me.
      Therefore, I didn’t have gallows and self-arrows, and the calls didn’t bother each other rigidly. Although I decided on my grandfathers and sergeants.
  21. +1
    3 August 2017 14: 55
    Ohhhh, how many goals will fly.
  22. +3
    3 August 2017 15: 00
    And why are there so many from one locality in one unit? Why is there no international composition? If national units are created, separatism is not far away. The USSR has the experience of both national formations and multinational. Conclusions are not in favor of the former.
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  24. DPN
    +2
    3 August 2017 15: 15
    Yes, the Soviet Army must be revived; no criminals were taken; grandfathers "simply lacked the educational work of a political worker, for 2 years of service did not see any fights.
  25. +3
    3 August 2017 15: 24
    generals with regiments now famously begin to cover their asses. as usual due to the lower ranks. "and in general it was not stabbing, but the reading circle of Pushkin ..."
    1. +1
      3 August 2017 16: 28
      Already covered up. And here, too, some of them sang the same song in the subject - "everything is fine, beautiful marquise."
  26. 0
    3 August 2017 15: 39
    And in the form of punishment for both parties, a monthly away seminar (on wildlife to mosquitoes) on the selection of knives from each other. If someone doesn’t return everyone for rezhotka! :)
  27. 0
    3 August 2017 15: 41
    Tuvans are a problem contingent. As far as I remember, there were always conflicts with them when there are a lot of them. They love to hang around with knives. They all have it.
  28. +3
    3 August 2017 16: 10
    fought so much with hazing and got contracting and fraternity! in army sha mess the strongest survives !!!
  29. 0
    3 August 2017 16: 23
    Elani has a reputation for so-so. Because I'm not surprised
  30. 0
    3 August 2017 16: 33
    For the time being, one thing is certain to say: "there is no smoke without fire." Tuvans held training camps there - fact1. Two ethnic “graters” have always been there: I know a man who served in Dushanbe in 2, now he is a disabled person of group 1975 (a manifestation of international friendship)
  31. +1
    3 August 2017 16: 44
    Quote: DPN
    Yes, the Soviet Army must be revived; no criminals were taken; grandfathers "simply lacked the educational work of a political worker, for 2 years of service did not see any fights.

    This is what indicative part served? "Hazing" existed everywhere, but in different ways, where the "young" simply pushed or robbed things you liked, and where it came to excesses. I remember even in the "Red Star" there was information: the command withdrew and as a result of unauthorized and pri.blah, blah
  32. 0
    3 August 2017 16: 46
    Quote: NOC-VVS
    fought so much with hazing and got contracting and fraternity! in army sha mess the strongest survives !!!

    Zemlyatchestvo was EVERYWHERE
  33. +1
    3 August 2017 17: 19
    Egorovich, you are right: it’s not quite clean with pictures1
    Quote: Egorovich
    Nothing is clear from the photographs. Because of a broken nose there will be a sea of ​​blood. Chairs stand still. If there was kneading there would be no such grace. Shitty fried was thrown out.

    I'm a little annoying pictures: the furniture is a little "pokotsanaya", the beds are in order and the blood. Who filmed: a stranger, and who let him in the location of the unit? If yours, then why 2 pictures (others do not have telephones?) Why there is not a single victim, so that no one takes at least a bandaged or broken face!
  34. +1
    3 August 2017 17: 37
    Disband the Elan garrison. Commander under trial. The notoriety about this garrison has been going on since the 80s. They can’t put things in order.
  35. +1
    3 August 2017 18: 19
    It is quite possible that I myself regularly visit the training center and observe the contingent arriving. And all this is far from mine, we are still trying to select the best. Young people without principles and education, not physically developed, 40 percent with obesity, the other 40 get access to weapons with a stretch
    1. +9
      3 August 2017 19: 47
      What is weapons admission? feel ju? In the army. Did not drive
      1. 0
        13 September 2017 10: 24
        Not correctly expressed, admission to the guard
  36. +1
    3 August 2017 21: 04
    I’ll write my precious comment. With the current capitalism, it’s really amazing how few such ц xeses are / or are hushed up. Tuvans - in my city, on one of the zones there is a small diaspora - about 20 people, of which only three are rummaging in Russian; and even BACK! knives and anasha / by the way, not Bukhara / are constantly taken away from them .. And the yushki in the photo - from exactly one slightly broken beak.
  37. +5
    3 August 2017 21: 33
    It's what fool from the high command sent dozens of Tuva contract soldiers in one unit together to another region ?! Nobody has been able to cancel the principles of fraternity. Why did I, as a green lieutenant, know about this, and once, having returned from vacation and finding out that now I have a platoon consisting of 28 Tajiks, I demanded either to disband the platoon or judge me by a military tribunal ?! Why did I know this, and gray-haired colonels and generals do not know this ?! am
  38. +4
    3 August 2017 21: 54
    He served with Tuvans, normal guys, even modest ones, no stabbings, no knives under the pillow. True, we didn’t have a lot of them, maybe there wasn’t enough "critical mass" for courage .. But in general, if this really happened - this is the fault and shortcomings of the command. And I agree with the opinion above that more and more material, mercantile ones come to replace the moral, spiritual principles of serving the Fatherland. “Western values” are being strongly imposed on us, and this is destruction for all living and soulful.
    1. 0
      3 August 2017 22: 07
      Quote: DV Koms
      Served with Tuvans, normal guys, even modest, no stabbing

      Now Tuvinits, with a knife, is a Dagestan from that opera. Where in God is the chosen one now?
      You want to cut yours and still the world in your image and likeness. laughing
      hard to be your neighbors, popcorn is already eaten laughing
  39. +1
    4 August 2017 06: 34
    Elan ... Everyone who served there says that this is one of the worst parts in the country
  40. +1
    4 August 2017 10: 03
    I have been serving in a foreign legion for 15 years, the continent here is motley from all over the world and far from pink schoolgirls, but the discipline is iron. I think the main reason for what happened is the incompetence of the command and control system l / s.
  41. 0
    4 August 2017 16: 17
    Ek, I’ve never seen! Well, a little work, guys. Boring !!!
  42. 0
    4 August 2017 19: 10
    Quote: kapitan92
    Quote: Jedi
    So this news smacks of frank throwing to me, especially since the source is the only one.

    https://vz.ru/news/2017/8/3/881289.html
    https://news.rambler.ru/incidents/37556179-nazvan
    a-prichina-massovoy-draki-soldat-na-urale /
    There are enough sources! Google laziness. CVO MO will refute and prove the opposite. Everything is as usual. I admit the veracity of media reports. The investigation will show if the results are not classified. hi

    You don’t google laziness, you brain use laziness.
    By your links:
    https://vz.ru/news/2017/8/3/881289.html
    “All parties to the conflict are contract soldiers, reports Ura.ru”
    Rambler
    "This is reported by the public Mash on the page" VKontakte "

    Therefore, the question arises: are you a bummer, have your aikyu dropped to critical values ​​or are you a provocateur?
  43. 0
    5 August 2017 19: 38
    Is this resource turning into yellow paper?