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This year, Russia will deliver a record number of rocket engines to the US

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The head of the Energomash research and production association, Igor Arbuzov, told reporters that this year a record number of Russian rocket engines will be delivered to the United States. RIA News cites Arbuzov’s statement:
This year the largest volume of deliveries is planned: 11 RD-180 engines for American Atlas V missiles and four RD-181 engines for American Antares missiles.


This year, Russia will deliver a record number of rocket engines to the US


This statement draws special attention, at least due to the fact that the American parliamentarians, while preparing the next draft law on sanctions against Russia, removed the space industry from under the sanctions strike. The document does not say a word about the fact that the commercial activities of Russia and NASA should be subject to any sanctions. This is an eloquent confirmation that the United States does not abandon only where such partnership lies primarily in the circle of their own interests.

On the one hand, it is necessary to state that Russia confirms the status of a reliable commercial partner, fulfilling all contractual obligations to NASA and making a profit. But on the other hand, it is necessary to understand that such contacts are actually taking place against the background of the declared Russia, at a minimum, economic war and numerous attempts to oust the Russian Federation from the world market.

There is an assumption that if Russia itself, and not the United States, needed the engines for space rockets, the Congress would have blocked the RF access to the acquisition of power plants for a long time, as it would in fact block off access to space.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 19 July 2017 15: 14
    +12
    Immediately visible with the naked eye, the United States is stifling Russia with sanctions. laughing
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 19 July 2017 15: 23
      +5
      Choked, strangled and will choke us all for any manifestation of independence.
      There is an assumption that if Russia itself, and not the United States, needed the engines for space rockets, the Congress would have blocked the RF access to the acquisition of power plants for a long time, as it would in fact block off access to space.

      And in this phrase, the first two words, well, are simply touching to fainting.
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 July 2017 15: 25
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        Immediately visible with the naked eye, the United States is stifling Russia with sanctions. laughing


        They would not let us into space, but we are doing everything right, it works for us.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 19 July 2017 17: 19
          +20
          Quote: cniza
          but we are doing everything right, it works for us.

          mdyaya what When we fit our necks into a loop called the WTO, is that right ?!
          Then, otmazyvaya Druganov, we introduce counter-sanctions, knowing for sure that everything is imposing and paying for this population is right ?!
          Then we manually depreciate the national currency by 120% and say that it is profitable for our country — is this right ?!
          Then our diplomats are thrown out within 24 hours, we swallow and this is also right. The diplomat is arrested. Property, we express concern and this is right.
          And then we deliver rocket dviguny - and is that right ?!
          You must either remove the cross or put on the socks.
          All these sanctions are bullshit for internal plebs use.
          Quote: cniza
          cniza

          I think you start with perseverance worthy of another use to justify your nickname what
          1. cniza
            cniza 19 July 2017 17: 53
            +1
            It seems to you. yes
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 19 July 2017 18: 09
              +3
              It’s good if I made a mistake wink
      2. jonhr
        jonhr 19 July 2017 16: 21
        +5
        as one Muscovite said. Polish apples have not disappeared. they just got more expensive. tell how they get on the Russian market? and most importantly will fall. say one thing on TV, and reality change another
        1. Kirgoudou
          Kirgoudou 21 July 2017 09: 31
          0
          I am another Muscovite, I declare - DISAPPEARED.
          And other suppliers - the turn. For every taste and pocket.
          So, psheks in flight.
          1. jonhr
            jonhr 21 July 2017 10: 41
            0
            that is, you say that there is no sea in Belarus? laughing
    2. Doublet
      Doublet 19 July 2017 15: 30
      0
      Quote: Wend
      Immediately visible with the naked eye, the United States is stifling Russia with sanctions. laughing

      Campaign striped tighten sanctions gathered ..
      1. jonhr
        jonhr 19 July 2017 16: 22
        +5
        they show their strength. they sell or do not sell what they want. and you sell them what they need.
        without screaming and the easiest thing is to impose sanctions on the engines so that the United States suffers wassat
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 19 July 2017 19: 21
          +1
          Yes, unfortunately, the desire not to spoil relations is clearly one-sided.
        2. Prjanik
          Prjanik 19 July 2017 21: 29
          0
          Nonsense say, to prohibit the sale of their engines means do-it-yourself squeeze yourself out of the competitive market. Sanctions should be put on the bucks. hi
          1. jonhr
            jonhr 20 July 2017 12: 23
            0
            for what you will sell if you impose sanctions on the bucks?
            1. Scratchy doll
              Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 08: 47
              0
              Quote: jonhr
              for what you will sell if you impose sanctions on the bucks?

              for rubles.
              1. jonhr
                jonhr 22 July 2017 10: 33
                0
                you can offer your services in rubles for Canada, I don’t know what stylist or plumber there is. I’m thinking it's not my business. and since the ruble is not a reserve currency and the Americans are more likely to not buy them. they themselves will not spit in a bowl
                1. Scratchy doll
                  Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 12: 45
                  0
                  If something is sold to Americans only for rubles, then they must first buy these rubles. How they buy for their dollars. Therefore, they buy and lick it back. Settlements of other countries among themselves in purchased dollars inflate the dollar from 2 to 6 times. From this already through cross-courses and direct calculations depart everywhere. When entering the euro, the dollar immediately fell 2 times.
                  What can you offer in Canada? Not yours - then do not write. By the way, isn’t you not replying?
                  1. jonhr
                    jonhr 22 July 2017 14: 24
                    0
                    well then you can open a rather profitable business selling rubles to Americans and that they buy rocket engines for rubles. the question is different, but what will manufacturers of engines buy for rubles somewhere abroad? or did complete import substitution in all areas come about?
                    1. Scratchy doll
                      Scratchy doll 23 July 2017 23: 43
                      0
                      Tell me how you can be useful to business. Not a consultant in international trading.
                      1. jonhr
                        jonhr 24 July 2017 07: 09
                        0
                        I see that you have great prospects in international trade relations once you decided to sell rubles and take dollars for this.
                        By the way, and in rubles themselves the price of these very engines exists?
                    2. Scratchy doll
                      Scratchy doll 24 July 2017 14: 05
                      0
                      The third time they ask you about yours. Do not try to paint strangers.
                      The dollar has not been walking in Russia for a long time, prices are written in "cu" under penalty of imprisonment is also prohibited.
                      1. jonhr
                        jonhr 24 July 2017 17: 09
                        0
                        and engines exclusively for the states are made laughing
                    3. Scratchy doll
                      Scratchy doll 25 July 2017 11: 18
                      0
                      Produced in Russia, bought by the Americans from her. It would be the other way round, it would be for dollars. Or for gold. This is also an option. To which it can come when Russia turns out to sell them.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 19 July 2017 15: 34
      +8
      Quote: Wend
      Immediately visible with the naked eye, the United States is stifling Russia with sanctions. laughing

      It is clear why this year a record number will be delivered in the USA Russian rocket engines: USA to aim rockets at russian objects, we need extra. satellites.

      I think that one of the main objects will be the engine manufacturer. But he is with salary and work! yes
      1. slipped
        slipped 19 July 2017 16: 14
        +1
        The United States can withdraw its satellites without Russian engines, for example, having ordered rockets from Mask, and yes, our manufacturer will be with money.
        1. Mystery12345
          Mystery12345 19 July 2017 16: 55
          0
          There is an assumption that if Russia itself, and not the United States, needed the engines for space rockets, the Congress would have blocked the RF access to the acquisition of power plants for a long time, as it would in fact block off access to space.
          - explain the phrase on my fingers ... what What are we gaining? what are the "power plants"?
          1. Michael67
            Michael67 19 July 2017 17: 18
            +3
            The bad trend is "... a record number of rocket engines." I am tormented by vague doubts, but is this "record-breaking" desire of the states to be stocked up with RDs for the future? For the future, in connection with what is being planned, be not bad? Troops caught up in Europe ... No signs of lifting the sanctions, but only their exacerbation ... Diplomatic scandals with property ...
            1. DEPARTMENT
              DEPARTMENT 19 July 2017 19: 23
              +1
              We’ll dig a hole for ourselves ... This is all like the 41st year when the USSR delivered Germany a record number of various goods on credit! Oh again the old rake, rusty already ..
              The US is not in store for good reason ... Again we will run like hares from shock UAVs, like from Messers in June 41st ..? Ah Russia naive soul ...
              1. Alf
                Alf 19 July 2017 19: 44
                0
                Quote: DEPARTMENT
                This is all like the 41st year when the Soviet Union delivered Germany a record number of different goods on credit!

                For starters, you would ask who owed whom and how much by June 22, 1941.
                1. DEPARTMENT
                  DEPARTMENT 19 July 2017 20: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Alf
                  Quote: DEPARTMENT
                  This is all like the 41st year when the Soviet Union delivered Germany a record number of different goods on credit!

                  For starters, you would ask who owed whom and how much by June 22, 1941.

                  Probably on Wikipedia ...? hehe There They write that the hair stand on end and you start to grind your teeth ..
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 19 July 2017 20: 24
                    0
                    Quote: DEPARTMENT
                    Probably on Wikipedia ...? hehe There They write that the hair stand on end and you start to grind your teeth ..

                    Mukhin Great slandered war.
                    1. DEPARTMENT
                      DEPARTMENT 19 July 2017 20: 33
                      +1
                      Quote: Alf
                      Quote: DEPARTMENT
                      Probably on Wikipedia ...? hehe There They write that the hair stand on end and you start to grind your teeth ..

                      Mukhin Great slandered war.

                      A lot of historians have now divorced and all right-wingers are so straightforward .. well, well ... We went through this already in the 90s .. I'm tired of it myself, I understand, there’s a lot of information from different angles ... So there’s no need to scatter and flog forum users here. . hi
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 19 July 2017 20: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: DEPARTMENT
                        . So there is no need to scatter Pontus and bully the members of the forum ..

                        But who needs you, throw beads in front of you ... First read, then make a smart appearance.
            2. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 19 July 2017 20: 52
              0
              This is actually the official position of the United States. They procure taxiways for the future, so as not to purchase them for the needs of ULA, before the creation of the Vulcan LV with BE-4 engines. In order to prevent the SpaceX monopoly in the domestic market
              1. Scratchy doll
                Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 08: 39
                0
                When was she true?
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 22 July 2017 12: 17
                  0
                  Interest in 95 cases. They repent of various misconduct, and publicly publish their plans, they know how and love.
                  1. Scratchy doll
                    Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 12: 31
                    0
                    In which? When did the American president publicly say that they would never apologize for the Iranian airbus?
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 22 July 2017 13: 03
                      0
                      There is constantly news non-stop about how the United States recognizes the deaths of civilians from its attacks, and they recognized the Iranian Airbus, and even paid compensation for reference. Recall when the USSR recognized the downing of a South Korean Boeing? laughing
                      1. Scratchy doll
                        Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 13: 30
                        0
                        Why did this “news” only begin in the last week?
                        Compensation to relatives, not the Iranian state for the plane.
                        The USSR recognized immediately. Did this Boeing break anything? Like the previous one of the same South Korean campaign? Did you find many passengers?
        2. Alf
          Alf 19 July 2017 19: 42
          +1
          Quote: slipped
          The United States can launch satellites without Russian engines, for example, by ordering rockets from Mask,

          So why not order ???
          Quote: slipped
          and yes, our manufacturer will be with money.

          It was necessary, in your opinion, to trade with Germany in 41-45. And what, the money is not superfluous in the war.
          1. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT 19 July 2017 21: 09
            0
            Quote: Alf
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            . So there is no need to scatter Pontus and bully the members of the forum ..

            But who needs you, throw beads in front of you ... First read, then make a smart appearance.

            I do not like when all sorts of flies begin to advertise .. hi I already know that he writes there with a clever air, just as you have arranged a tantrum here .... You need to be calm!
          2. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 19 July 2017 21: 43
            0
            ULA (Boeing and Lockheed) has a very powerful lobby, so Musk has few military orders. But in the spring of this year, the satellite launched a reconnaissance, and in the summer their mini shuttle will launch
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 July 2017 08: 38
          0
          Quote: slipped
          USA can and without Russian engines to launch their satellites, for example, having ordered rockets from Mask,

          no
        4. Scratchy doll
          Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 08: 50
          0
          .
          Quote: slipped
          The United States can launch satellites without Russian engines, for example, by ordering rockets from Mask,

          not any
          Quote: slipped
          and yes, our manufacturer will be with money.

          money can be obtained from their sale to other countries, or even more from the launches for which they are needed.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 22 July 2017 12: 18
            0
            not any

            Delta Heavy, all powered by American engines, is the most powerful launch vehicle in the world. Any that can run operational LV.
            1. Scratchy doll
              Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 12: 33
              0
              Not the most. Astronauts can not launch. Many types of equipment too.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 22 July 2017 13: 04
                0
                What types of equipment will Delta Heavy not be able to run? And what will prevent her from launching the Dragon?
                1. Scratchy doll
                  Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 13: 32
                  0
                  Those that launch Atlas-V. Something means interfering. For some reason, not everyone starts a proton either.
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 22 July 2017 13: 47
                    0
                    Those that launch Atlas-V. Something means interfering. For some reason, not everyone starts a proton either.

                    So, interferes with economic viability. Engines Russian sell for half the cost! Try cheaper then?
                    https://ria.ru/economy/20110511/373020049.html
                    Why did this “news” only begin in the last week?
                    Compensation to relatives, not the Iranian state for the plane.
                    The USSR recognized immediately. Did this Boeing break anything? Like the previous one of the same South Korean campaign? Did you find many passengers?

                    Well, look over the past 100 years, constant confessions in one place or another.
                    They settled everything with the Iranian government
                    In February 1996, a settlement agreement was signed between the United States and Iran, after which the case in court was dismissed. Under the terms of the agreement, the United States was to pay compensation in the amount of $ 131,8 million (including $ 61,8 million to the heirs of 248 dead, at the rate of $ 300 for each able-bodied victim and 000 for each dependent), and Iran refused further claims against the United States in connection with this disaster[8].

                    And the USSR not only did not recognize, but also sent rescuers on a false trail, and stole the black boxes of the aircraft. Which already under fanfare then handed over to Yeltsin.
                    1. Scratchy doll
                      Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 13: 55
                      0
                      It interferes with the same as Proton, with its economic feasibility.
                      Was it all with Voice of America or Echo of Moscow?
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 22 July 2017 13: 57
                        0
                        Was it all with Voice of America or Echo of Moscow?

                        From Channel One wink
                        It interferes with the same as Proton, with its economic feasibility.

                        Proton is hindered by corruption and theft. When the loss of precious solder was detected, instead of anxiety and investigation, the management decided not to do anything about this. And bang, the year Proton does not fly. This did not add to the joy of customers, plus huge damage.
                      2. Scratchy doll
                        Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 14: 05
                        0
                        From Channel One in which year? Was the official statement or was the movie shown?
                        Shuttles for the same reason did not fly for years. Then they stopped flying completely.
                    2. Scratchy doll
                      Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 14: 21
                      0
                      Threat. Source of quote about refusal by Iranian government of claims regarding Iran Air 655?
                      you somehow did not answer:
                      Quote: Scratchy Doll
                      Did this Boeing break anything? Like the previous one of the same South Korean campaign? Did you find many passengers?
  2. 3officer
    3officer 19 July 2017 15: 14
    0
    Our response to sanctions laughing Although the prices for them would have lifted the shtol, and then some kind of symmetrical answer - they are more than sanctions, we are more than titanium and movers request
    1. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 19 July 2017 15: 16
      +13
      Sideways Master of Sports
    2. slipped
      slipped 19 July 2017 16: 17
      0
      The creation of engines is a joint venture. Engine prices are regulated by contract.
      1. Alf
        Alf 19 July 2017 19: 45
        +2
        Quote: slipped
        The creation of engines is a joint venture. Engine prices are regulated by contract.

        Are sanctions also regulated by the contract?
        1. slipped
          slipped 20 July 2017 10: 26
          0
          Are you behind the Iron Curtain v.2.0? so Russia will not pull, and the party betrayed the people and allies in the early 90s.
          1. Alf
            Alf 20 July 2017 15: 44
            0
            Quote: slipped
            Are you behind the Iron Curtain v.2.0? so Russia will not pull, and the party betrayed the people and allies in the early 90s.

            And where did you get that will not pull? Nearby we have China, which spit on all sanctions and continues to trade with us. Who will not pull? The one who is used to dressing in boutiques (in which the same goods are created in the Middle Kingdom), those who buy iPhones of the 7th model (and find it difficult to say what is better than the 6th model, except for the upturned price), those who are used to Download money from Russia. A simple man-hard worker will feel something - a moot point.
            1. Tsoy
              Tsoy 20 July 2017 21: 42
              0
              Quote: Alf
              We have China at our side, which spat on all sanctions and continues to trade with us.


              Not certainly in that way. Read about Chinese banks that are denying loans to Russian companies for fear of prosecution by the US financial system. Plus, our trade is mildly tiny compared to other countries. Yes, and what is it? We are delivered finished goods with high added value, and we give them gas on the cheap.
    3. tamnun
      tamnun 19 July 2017 17: 13
      +1
      Quote: 3officer
      Our response to sanctions Although prices for them would have lifted the galleries,

      What to bully? N? And RD 180?
      In general, RD 180 is American (intellectual) property and is protected by rights.
      In Russia, it is collected and worked out (with American money) - I’ll even say more - Russia cannot buy an RD 180 for itself.
      RD-180 was created in the mid-1990s based on the RD-170 engine.

      In 1996, General Dynamics acquired the right to use the engine. It was first used on May 24, 2000 as the first stage of the Atlas IIA-R launch vehicle - a modification of the Atlas IIA rocket. Subsequently, the rocket was renamed Atlas III. After the first launch, additional work was carried out on the certification of the engine with the aim of using it on a universal rocket module (Eng. Common Booster Core) of the main stage of the Atlas-5 rocket. The price of one engine as of 2010 was $ 9 million [1]
      Since the purpose of the engine use program is to launch commercial satellites and US government satellites, in order to comply with the supply of American law Pratt & Whitney is considered the joint manufacturer of the RD-180... At the moment [when?] All engine production is concentrated in Russia. The sale was carried out by a joint venture between Pratt & Whitney and NPO Energomash, called JV RD-Amros.

      More details here
      http://shipilov.com/zhurnalistika/868-rd-180-neul
      ovimyj-jo-ili-skripach-ne-nuzhen.html
      1. Dead duck
        Dead duck 19 July 2017 17: 49
        +9
        Quote: tamnun
        More details here

        Don't talk nonsense ... and left links are not an example.
        This is for some clarification of the concepts:
        https://www.atraining.ru/trainers/karmanov/rd-180
        -usa-patent /
        Plus, the right to use the right to actually, is not the same thing, and he (to use) has many nuances. hi
      2. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 19 July 2017 19: 38
        +3
        Quote: tamnun
        In general, RD 180 is American (intellectual) property and is protected by rights.
        In Russia, it is collected and worked out (with American money) - I’ll even say more - Russia cannot buy an RD 180 for itself.

        I will even say more, this is an Israeli development .. laughing How much I have already read this here .. You are not fixable! hi
  3. pjastolov
    pjastolov 19 July 2017 15: 14
    +6
    This is an eloquent confirmation that the United States does not refuse partnership only where such partnership lies primarily in the circle of their own interests.
    and who would doubt it lol
  4. pussamussa
    pussamussa 19 July 2017 15: 14
    +6
    Right. It is necessary to strengthen the power of the United States. Maybe they will spare us and not slam us.
  5. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 July 2017 15: 15
    +5
    "- The commander must think, understand? - And not just wave the saber." (film "Officers)
    "War is not just who shoots anyone. War is who changes its mind." (x / f. And the dawns here are quiet).
  6. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 July 2017 15: 25
    +1
    This year, Russia will deliver a record number of rocket engines to the US[/ b] [b] and add "UNDER CONDITIONS ..." etc.
    With Americans need to communicate in a language they understand!
    1. Alf
      Alf 19 July 2017 19: 47
      0
      Quote: x.andvlad
      This year, Russia will deliver a record number of rocket engines to the US[/ b] [b] and add "UNDER CONDITIONS ..." etc.

      Who will "add"? Who the US calls partners? Suggest his place of work and position in the Kremlin?
  7. Zubr
    Zubr 19 July 2017 15: 34
    +2
    wink Well, what are the "PARTNERS", Russia for you is still the country "GASOLINE" and just a "regional power" ..?!
    This is also a tremendous spit in the direction of the European Union, on the principle: "This is mine, and this is ours" ... smile
    1. jonhr
      jonhr 19 July 2017 16: 24
      +6
      Russia for them is a country where they buy what they want and when they want
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 19 July 2017 16: 40
        +2
        I think they wanted to buy our position in Syria and Ukraine more than once. So what did you buy?
        1. jonhr
          jonhr 19 July 2017 16: 48
          +1
          they bend their line. because they feel their strength. who and what will benefit from this time will show
          1. vladimirvn
            vladimirvn 19 July 2017 19: 36
            +1
            Quote: jonhr
            who and what will benefit from this time will show

            I agree.
        2. Vpk72
          Vpk72 19 July 2017 17: 28
          +3
          judging by the killings and discrimination of Russians in Ukraine - bought
        3. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 19 July 2017 17: 45
          +4
          Quote: vladimirvn
          I think they wanted to buy our position in Syria and Ukraine more than once. So what did you buy?

          And what kind of position is there? Interesting!
          They want the Syrians to shoot down, they want to bomb, bomb. Hohlopitekam advisers deliver.
          What are we? They shouted about New Russia! And where is that New Russia now? Ahhhhhhhh!
          Well, where is the position?
          1. tamnun
            tamnun 19 July 2017 17: 51
            +1
            Quote: Stroporez
            What are we? They shouted about New Russia! And where is that New Russia now? AAaaa-oooooooo

            Since yesterday - Little Russia hi
            1. svp67
              svp67 19 July 2017 17: 53
              +3
              Quote: tamnun
              Since yesterday - Little Russia

              Why from yesterday. Little Russia is an old historical name for part of the lands of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and Lithuania.
              1. tamnun
                tamnun 19 July 2017 18: 04
                +2
                Quote: svp67
                Little Russia is an old historical name for part of the lands of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and Lithuania.

                You run the risk of awakening indefatigable appetites in Zakharchenko.
                Having taken Kiev (they were promised 2 years ago) and after 3 months ago Ukraine has already bent, after we sit out on TV promised by Vladyka Sikh
                Lord of the Sith Yesterday, 13:43 | Leaders of the proclaimed Little Russia: If they don’t hear us peacefully, we will go through the military
                Follow the news, do not leave the TV)

                The possibility that Zakharchenko (inspired by Prileplenym) will require original Little Russian loans from Lithuania, Belarus and Russia lol
              2. DEPARTMENT
                DEPARTMENT 19 July 2017 20: 39
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: tamnun
                Since yesterday - Little Russia

                Why from yesterday. Little Russia is an old historical name for part of the lands of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and Lithuania.

                Great answer Sergey ..! After all, the way it is, it’s not new, but long forgotten old .. They disconnect us and tie us with blood, so that we don’t unite .. As usual, we didn’t break the ridge of the next world adversary .. It’s nothing to do this time!
              3. jonhr
                jonhr 24 July 2017 07: 13
                0
                as far as I remember there still Poland was part of and was called the Commonwealth, but not Little Russia
                1. Scratchy doll
                  Scratchy doll 24 July 2017 14: 03
                  0
                  The Commonwealth was the union state of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the tiny Kingdom of Poland, so Poland was not a part.
                  1. jonhr
                    jonhr 24 July 2017 17: 12
                    0
                    those lands that you listed were included in the speech of the Commonwealth. and no mention of Little Russia. there are maps where the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth almost reached Bryansk.
                    1. Scratchy doll
                      Scratchy doll 25 July 2017 11: 21
                      0
                      At the time of unification with Lithuania, Poland did not even reach the Curzon line.
            2. Alf
              Alf 19 July 2017 19: 51
              +1
              Quote: tamnun
              Quote: Stroporez
              What are we? They shouted about New Russia! And where is that New Russia now? AAaaa-oooooooo

              Since yesterday - Little Russia hi

              And why only the DPR entered Little Russia, and the LPR immediately disowned? And who recognizes her, except for Russia? And about Russia, in the light of all that has been said and done by Russia, I am categorically not sure of something.
          2. vladimirvn
            vladimirvn 19 July 2017 19: 39
            0
            I understand, it's a shame, I myself am so. But as the comrade noted above, who is not at all comrade to us, "time will tell."
        4. Alf
          Alf 19 July 2017 19: 49
          0
          Quote: vladimirvn
          I think our position on ... Ukraine

          And what is our position in Ukraine and where is our victory?
          1. vladimirvn
            vladimirvn 19 July 2017 22: 05
            0
            See my post on this thread at 15.15.
  8. corporal
    corporal 19 July 2017 15: 34
    +3
    We are the engines for them, and with their help they are probes to distant planets and asteroids. We chopped something. Only as cabmen we can. Taxi drivers damn it.
    Soon, China will show us in space.
    1. slipped
      slipped 19 July 2017 16: 21
      0
      We will also soon have landing stations for the Moon and Mars - from 2019 to 2023, China is a friend of ours, the Americans are turning the fakes.
      1. Alf
        Alf 19 July 2017 19: 53
        +1
        Quote: slipped
        We also soon have landing stations for the moon and Mars - from 2019 to 2023,

        We have a lot of things planned, and as it comes down to the matter, so a lot of problems come up right away, and the main one is the lack of dough pumped to one country.
        1. slipped
          slipped 20 July 2017 10: 47
          0
          at the stations - everything is on schedule: 2019 - Luna-25, 2020 - ExoMars-2020, 2021 - Luna-26, 2022 - Luna-27, 2024 - Luna-28.
          1. Alf
            Alf 20 July 2017 15: 46
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            Quote: slipped
            at the stations - everything is on schedule: 2019 - Luna-25, 2020 - ExoMars-2020, 2021 - Luna-26, 2022 - Luna-27, 2024 - Luna-28.

            Do not make this far. At our place, someone said that military budget items are protected and prioritized. And the military budget for 2017 was cut from 55 to 13 Lard.
            1. slipped
              slipped 21 July 2017 14: 39
              0
              Money for the program allocated. Stations are being built, right next to it they are standing at the plant judging by the video. 2019 in a year and a half already. Launches were transferred to Baikonur, there are free finishing chambers - there is no need to rush to create infrastructure from scratch, as planned at Vostochny earlier for these launches, then they will create them during the construction of the second stage. The task is to stake out the area near the South Pole, judging by our Russian neutron detector - there is water there, and water is fuel for both the base and the interplanetary ships of the future.
              1. Alf
                Alf 22 July 2017 00: 24
                0
                Quote: slipped
                Program money allocated

                God forbid, God forbid .. Personally, I do not believe our pennies a penny. Not always a lot of plans, and then also always have explanations, the meaning of which can be expressed in one phrase, there was money, and where did it go, the devil knows it.
      2. Topgun
        Topgun 19 July 2017 20: 45
        +3
        With the module for ISS Science - made by the fathers, schA are messing around as with an artifact of a long-vanished much more developed civilization ...
        And you about the moon (about Mars in general is ridiculous) ...
        1. slipped
          slipped 20 July 2017 10: 40
          0
          The fact of the matter is that the Science module is an outdated product, it was made too long ago, violating the technology with tanks and now it’s difficult to straighten it out accordingly, since the production of these modules has been curtailed. Others make more modern-wise, at the end of the year, the flying combat NEM in the RKK will come from the RCC. Nitsche, he will fly (MLM-U) next year for anyone. This is even better - more time will remain on the RCC after undocking from the ISS. And the Moon-25 will be launched in 2019, whatever you say there. You'd better worry about Lybidi - his shelf life is ending.
  9. Bronevick
    Bronevick 19 July 2017 15: 49
    +2
    Take in reserve. And then you never know what, sanctions.
  10. komradbuh
    komradbuh 19 July 2017 16: 07
    +1
    Let them put the engines with a "secret" just in case
    1. Alf
      Alf 19 July 2017 19: 54
      +2
      Quote: komrad buh
      Let them put the engines with a "secret" just in case

      On the other side at the reception are also not alternatively gifted sitting.
      1. Scratchy doll
        Scratchy doll 22 July 2017 09: 02
        0
        They do it themselves.
  11. Lesorub
    Lesorub 19 July 2017 16: 45
    +3
    Selling these engines is a symmetrical "Answer" to US sanctions)))), It's ridiculous to look at "less" elites - in any conditions, earn "loot"! Probably these mellions will go to the raising of the regions and the outback!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 19 July 2017 17: 46
      +3
      Quote: Lesorub
      Probably these mellions will go to the raising of the regions and the outback!

      there is no denehh but you hold on, and I am not short of you yes
  12. Buffet
    Buffet 19 July 2017 16: 59
    +1
    There is an assumption that if Russia itself, and not the United States, needed the engines for space rockets, the Congress would have blocked the RF access to the acquisition of power plants for a long time, as it would in fact block off access to space.
    erroneous assumption. FPGAs of the American company Xilinx are successfully used in KRET. And Xilinx spit on sanctions.
  13. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 19 July 2017 17: 06
    +4
    Yes, you need to sell more US engines so that they put into orbit more of their spy satellites, create an information-broadcasting infrastructure in space, etc.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 19 July 2017 18: 20
      +6
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Yes, you need to sell more engines

      And also try to sell as much grain as possible with high gluten, so that people feed with fodder.
  14. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 19 July 2017 17: 37
    +1
    Space exploration and science must be above politics.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 19 July 2017 18: 18
      +2
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Space exploration and science must be above politics.

      Aha
    2. HEATHER
      HEATHER 19 July 2017 18: 28
      +2
      Space exploration and science must be above politics As well as the Boeing design with Watermelons in the Moscow branches of i-plus titanium. 30% for the aviation industry of these "colleagues." wassat Must-but, alas, not obliged. hi
    3. Alf
      Alf 19 July 2017 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Space exploration and science must be above politics.

      So the puddles understand this and that you must develop science and research of everything, and then transfer to us for empty pieces of paper. And we will blame you for this with sanctions.
  15. Captain45
    Captain45 19 July 2017 18: 02
    0
    Yesterday at VO I read an interview with the head of NPO Energomash Arbuzov about how and when RD-180 was created, why it began to be delivered to the USA, for what, on what terms. It is interesting that this interview 2013 years. The article was in the "basement" of the page. I clicked on it out of interest. Read and immediately many questions will be removed. Just don’t shout that Putin or Medvedev is to blame again, your legs have been growing since 90 when nobody heard about them. But contracts and agreements must be fulfilled, if in good conscience.
  16. HEATHER
    HEATHER 19 July 2017 18: 26
    +2
    "It's like your mother, tell me to understand? What kind of sanction is this to continue trading! If you want RD yourself, pay it and that's it. And then our Russian people are already creating a new one. We will offer you a trampoline in flight." feel
  17. Jack
    Jack 19 July 2017 18: 55
    +2
    Quote: slipped
    The United States can withdraw its satellites without Russian engines, for example, having ordered rockets from Mask, and yes, our manufacturer will be with money.

    For me, for example, it matters, I will direct the enemy missile at myself (even for money) or someone else helped. It’s the time of countersanctions! To disrupt supplies, not to put into space for 3-5 years, is already a huge benefit, but there is someone to sell. For example, China, India, here it would be fun.
  18. kefan
    kefan 19 July 2017 20: 05
    +2
    Well, yes, they are sanctions against us, we are their engines, comrades are on the right path.
  19. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 19 July 2017 20: 44
    +1
    In 1941, the USSR set Germany a record number ...
  20. Mentat
    Mentat 19 July 2017 21: 16
    +1
    Quote: jonhr
    Russia for them is a country where they buy what they want and when they want

    And a certain jonhr for the VO forum is Tobaccos, who howls announces for the USA where they will go, where they will go (to the North, naturally, engines) and who they are.
    Louder, louder.
  21. 3vs
    3vs 19 July 2017 21: 20
    0
    Not otherwise, Elon Rive Musk has something grand in mind!
  22. Prjanik
    Prjanik 19 July 2017 21: 41
    +1
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: vladimirvn
    I think they wanted to buy our position in Syria and Ukraine more than once. So what did you buy?

    And what kind of position is there? Interesting!

  23. Prjanik
    Prjanik 19 July 2017 21: 48
    0
    [/ quote] But on the other hand, one must understand that such contacts are actually against the backdrop of the declared Russia, at least the economic war and numerous attempts to oust Russia from the world market. [quote]

    It’s not very crowding out, since our engines themselves are buying.
  24. Kirgoudou
    Kirgoudou 19 July 2017 21: 52
    +1
    In general, such actions of our country during the period of the US announcement of sanctions to us can safely be called prostitution!
    1. Prjanik
      Prjanik 19 July 2017 22: 10
      0
      So in your opinion is called both trade and market competition laughing Sanctions are the restrictions by which they harm themselves in the first place.
  25. - = ANTRAX = -
    - = ANTRAX = - 20 July 2017 02: 32
    +2
    arming our main "partner". Well, as usual.
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  27. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 21 July 2017 13: 07
    +1
    Like Sharikov from Dog’s Heart ":" They strangled-strangled, strangled-strangled ... (... we are talking about cats) So we are sanctioned by the United States, early, like the whole depraved West, have been strangled for several centuries, but we only benefit . Of course, not all Russians benefit from this, but the rich, the oligarchs need the West, where they can spend thoughtlessly looted. But now, katstsa, the West has overestimated itself, it has already inflated its financial bubble and should soon tear so much that the whole world will not seem enough. Now we already need to withdraw our money from US Treasury bonds, but our bogeyman boobs do not want to tear themselves away from the Western economy, and therefore we will fall again. But more and more will affect our pensioners
    1. pussamussa
      pussamussa 21 July 2017 16: 01
      0
      Quote: Anchonsha
      Now we already need to withdraw our money from US Treasury bonds, but our bogeyman boobs do not want to tear themselves away from the Western economy, and therefore we will fall again. But more and more will affect our pensioners


      And who will withdraw the money?