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“Independent Siberia will put Russia on its knees”

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“Independent Siberia will put Russia on its knees”



The meeting of the presidents of Russia and the United States on the margins of the G-20 summit in Hamburg last Friday, as expected, caused a lot of noise in the Western media, most of whom began to water the head of the White House more verbally. This time Trump was blamed for the fact that he “easily believed Putin about his non-interference in the American elections,” that he allegedly too much admired the Russian leader, and also brought a bunch of other equally absurd accusations. Nevertheless, while the results of the first meeting look rather modest: only an agreement has been reached on the de-escalation zone in Syria. However, it is likely that other results of the more than two-hour talks between the two leaders will appear a bit later. At the same time, there is no doubt that any steps taken by Trump in relations with Russia will be interpreted by the Western media not in favor of the head of the White House. “The Bell of Russia” presents another collection of interesting materials in the Western media over the past week.

Thus, the influential American edition of The Washington Post published the material "Now the interests of Russia and the United States have lost their importance in relations between the two countries." According to browser observer Ann Epbaum, Russian President Vladimir Putin received from the meeting with the head of the White House, Donald Trump, “everything he wanted,” in the very first seconds beating his American counterpart. “The Russian leader waited until Trump was the first to give a hand, after which the camera clicks immediately sounded. A few minutes later, a photo appeared on the Russian resources, which shows Trump extending a hand to the arrogantly looking Vladimir Putin, ”the author writes.

The observer is sure that such a frame was needed by the Kremlin, for whom the value of meeting with Trump on 99 percent was then to use the resulting image for propaganda purposes inside Russia itself. At the same time, she stresses, the head of the White House also received a certain benefit from this meeting. “If we recall his recent speeches, it was obvious that Trump needed approval and acceptance from Putin. I find it difficult to explain why this is so, but our president has long admired the head of the Kremlin, whom he very often praised and never criticized, ”the author says. According to her, both sides got what they wanted from the meeting: Putin increased his authority, and Trump got himself a new friend. “In these relations, only two people are important, and not the interests of the countries that stand behind them,” concludes Applebaum.

***

Violently criticize Trump for a meeting with Putin began in the American edition of Vox, in which the material was published under the heading “Putin and Trump. 1: 0 ”by reviewer Alex Ward. “Recently, everyone wondered: would the head of the White House seize the opportunity and ask the Kremlin’s host directly about his interference in last year’s elections? Yes, indeed, Trump asked this question, but made it so that everything became even worse than it was before, ”he writes.

The reason for this, according to the author, is that the head of the White House categorically accepted the words of the Russian leader who, during the meeting, categorically rejected any interference in the US presidential election. “While all intelligence agencies believe that such interference was, Trump takes the words of the Russian leader at face value. And this means that Moscow received from this meeting what it wanted - the appearance of the fact that the administration of the head of the White House acknowledges the Kremlin’s innocence of interfering in the electoral process, ”Ward continues.


Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump in Hamburg

And if so, the author is sure, then Putin achieved his goal, forcing Trump to believe in his words. “The Russian leader elegantly circled around the finger of our president, this master of making deals. Trump had to prepare well for the meeting with Putin, but he neglected the preparations. In other words, our president caused much more harm by meeting with the head of the Kremlin than if he had stayed in Washington, ”the columnist sums up.

***

Another interesting material titled “If Facebook was a religion, it would be the second largest in the world” was also published in The Washington Post. According to columnist Christopher Ingram, last week Facebook announced that two billion people are active users of this social network - almost a quarter of the world's population. “Only a couple of decades ago, the idea that a single product would be used by billions of people all over the planet seemed absurd, unless this“ product ”was, for example, a religious text. Now, Mark Zuckerberg’s social network has almost as many users as Christian followers around the world, and quite possibly in the next few years will overtake the world's largest religion, ”the author writes.

At the same time, the browser continues, Facebook users are already more than the speakers of any of the languages ​​of the world. “Likes, friend requests, comments, etc. - all this becomes the closest and most universal language of communication for humanity,” notes Ingram. No less impressive is the speed with which the Zuckerberg social network has gained almost a quarter of humanity, the columnist writes. “Facebook announced the first billion in eight years of its existence - in 2012, and the second billion was added in less than five years. For comparison, the fastest billion population was added on our planet in 12 years - from 2000 to 2012 years, ”he states.

According to Ingram, in the “madness of daily communication” on this social network, it is easy to forget that none of its users have any idea what it is when a quarter of all humanity is connected to a single product that is governed by one set of rules and regulations , and people are loaded into a single database that knows a lot about them, if not everything. “It doesn’t matter to us, we are simply following this“ new religion ”on the wave of likes and comments to the future that Facebook has prepared for us,” Ingram says.

***

An interesting article was also published in the influential American edition of The New York Times. In an article titled “Far Eastern Las Vegas for Asian Players,” columnist Andrew Higgins writes that the small town Artyom located 38 kilometers from the seaside capital of Vladivostok is experiencing a real “invasion” of Chinese and Koreans. The reason is that Artyom enters the Russian gambling zone Primorye, where gamblers come from all over East Asia. "Despite the commitment of Moscow and China to the development of bilateral relations, the Chinese are not in a hurry to invest in the Russian Far East, but the building built in the suburbs of Vladivostok, like a luxurious palace, attracts wealthy Asians ready to squander a fortune here," the author writes .

The casino is called Tigre de Cristal, and so far it is the only gambling establishment in the Russian Far East “entertainment zone”, which was created in 2009 year. “However, the Primorye authorities are hoping that in the coming years, eight more places for gambling fans will be built. At the same time, the Chinese are showing interest in the project, hoping in the coming years to invest more than 500 million dollars here. They smelled success and realized that you can get not only wood and energy resources from Russia, but also make good money on the gambling business, ”Higgins notes


Gaming zone in Artem

According to him, the Chinese are going to Artem due to the fact that there is a strict ban on gambling in the Celestial Empire. “They are allowed only in semi-autonomous Macau, but for more than one hundred million Chinese living in regions adjacent to Russian Primorye, the gaming zone in Artyom is the only way to try your luck and catch luck by the tail. For the sake of such a trip, the Chinese even get into loans, ”the observer adds.

As the author notes, Vladimir Putin, being a champion of Christian values, banned casinos and slot machines in 2009, saying that too many Russians lose their last penny. “However, for Moscow, apparently, there are no problems if the money will lose millions of Chinese and other foreigners. Apparently, this is the case, because of this money, about a thousand of local residents are paid, who got jobs with the creation of this gambling zone, ”Higgins notes.

***

In turn, the American edition of The American Interest published the material "Russia - the last colonial empire." The article states that Russia is much more like typical European colonial empires than many people think. “And this leaves a definite imprint on the future. At the same time, it is necessary to distinguish between colonies that were seized by Europeans and subsequently settled mainly by the Europeans themselves, and dependent territories with the local population, which was forcibly subordinated to the Europeans. Historically, most of the countries of the Old World had either colonies or dependent territories, while Russia had both the first and the second, which made it in many ways a unique empire, ”the material says.

According to the article, the loss of “colonial possessions” by Russia in 1991 did not cause it serious economic damage: the total GDP of the post-Soviet countries for 2016 was only 540 billion dollars, while the Russian gross domestic product was 1,27 trillion last year. “In addition, after the departure of the outlying republics, Siberia acquired much greater significance for Russia, which became its main economic value. This vast territory occupies 75 percent of the country's territory and gives more than 75 percent of national exports. If Siberia suddenly revolts and stops supplying raw materials, Russia's export volume will be less than that of Hungary. Russia receives 55 percent of federal revenues from the use and export of natural resources, but at the same time this vast territory still remains a poor and insufficiently developed trans-Ural colony of Moscow, ”continues the publication.

The American Interest notes that Russia's strategy to preserve its influence in the former post-Soviet republics is wrong, since Russia's real interests imply the development of Siberia. “Moscow should abandon its post-imperial designs, stop experiencing old injuries and focus on creating a well-managed internal system that will give its trans-Ural colonies the influence they deserve. Otherwise, Moscow risks losing these territories, after which the future of Russia itself will be very vague and uncertain, ”the article says.

Then, the article criticizes the policy of the federal center in relation to the eastern territories. “The total share of regional tax revenues remaining in Siberia has decreased by almost 15 percent over the past 20 years. At the same time, the Russian government creates state corporations, which in fact operate in Siberia, but have main offices in Moscow and St. Petersburg, where they pay their taxes. That is why the GDP of these two cities exceeds the GDP of the entire vast territory east of the Ural Mountains, ”the article notes. According to The American Interest, last year, the share of the Siberian Federal District in national exports was only a little more than nine percent, since companies sitting in Moscow and St. Petersburg are considered “exporters”. “It seems that gas, oil and other minerals are mined exclusively within the Moscow ring road. Because of this, Siberia suffers from a lack of investment, and the standard of living is rather low there, ”adds the publication.



According to The American Interest, the development of this vast territory should become the main goal of Moscow, which should create the most convenient conditions for entrepreneurship in Siberia, weakening state control over economic activities in the region and creating a huge free economic zone throughout the Siberian and Far Eastern federal districts. “It is also necessary to rethink the role of territories in the big geopolitical game. Moscow is fixated on relations with China, but it is not very profitable for Russia, which risks becoming a raw materials appendage of the Middle Kingdom. It would be much more profitable if Moscow developed relations with Japanese, South Korean, American, Canadian and even Australian firms, which would reduce the geopolitical risks of losing Siberia and the Far East due to too close a rapprochement with China, ”the article notes.

The American Interest is sure: Russia should abandon attempts to influence the situation in the post-Soviet republics, focusing on the development of its own territories. “With skilful economic management, Siberia can once again raise Russia and give it a worthy place among the most powerful and influential countries. In the case of Moscow’s inattention, the vast territory beyond the Urals will sooner or later play a fatal role in the fate of Russia, ”the publication sums up.

Following this logic, the United States should not only close its military bases around the world, but also cease to influence even the affairs of neighboring Canada and Mexico, because America has a huge number of problems that need to be resolved. Especially acute is the situation with the deteriorating infrastructure, which the American Society of Civil Engineers in its 2009 report for the year put on a solid "two". What to say if dams collapse in the country, threatening the lives and property of hundreds of thousands of people. Will the United States cease its nose in the affairs of other states in such a situation? Very doubtful. Then why should Russia leave the post-Soviet republics, which are for it a vital buffer from the aggressive actions of “fighters for freedom and democracy”? It is clear that it is necessary to develop Siberia and the Far East, but to give up their positions where they are, by no means impossible.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 13 July 2017 15: 09
    +3
    The West continues to rock Russia.
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 13 July 2017 19: 25
      0
      Khan Mamai ate in the past. And the very term "they have eaten us" is not suitable for a single economic "organism", one country. It’s like a liver of the type that says, “I’ve been robbed and eaten, separated and how can a liver live without an organism? Each region contributes, and due to specialization, cooperation, division of labor, absence of customs barriers, uniform legislation, high efficiency is achieved, created “SUPER PRODUCT.” And only then, this superproduct is redistributed to the regions. If it is correct, then we need to talk not about “they have eaten us”, but about the redistribution a little more in our favor.
      If the states come under, shouting “they've eaten us” will throw off the federal center, then 50 new states will appear, and America will disappear.
    2. Appraiser
      Appraiser 15 July 2017 12: 12
      0
      Yes, everything continues to swing correctly and relies on young people, as a rule, on students (and not on the best part), because they have different values ​​in their heads. Therefore, our government in educating young people should do everything so that they have a future and not on paper. soldier
  2. avt
    avt 13 July 2017 15: 22
    +21
    The morons who are doing this razvodilovo about independent Siberia, they themselves do not understand that just like in the Baltic, the Russians who voted for the independence of these republics, "instantly become occupiers and get -" Suitcase-station-Moscow ". Just like and ,, Pomors "will make way for the Finns, and the Ural Republic, cultivated even under Rossel,".
    1. Skeptic
      Skeptic 13 July 2017 19: 25
      +4
      Most in Russia have a dream, something like an American analogue, but more ambitious. It is expressed in three words - a suitcase station Moscow. So avt you can’t even imagine how close to the truth.
      1. avt
        avt 13 July 2017 22: 09
        +6
        Quote: SkepticCynic
        So avt you can’t even imagine how close to the truth.

        You can’t imagine how much I can imagine! bully I just know the places where those really coming to Moscow go down to conquer it, having only hypertrophied requests with no less hypertrophied conceit about their own capabilities, well, where they settle in a collision with reality. The current capitalist Moscow is breaking through a knee of dreamers who believe that only by their own fact of arrival they have already made everyone happy. Earlier, with the “scoop”, it was much more humane. And the funniest thing is that they break off and become embittered, but at least somehow settled down, they multiply the grudge and act out on the type of “provincials”, because they are real .... maskwitches with a tail good luck birds in your hand. So the idiots dream of finding ,, Russia that we lost "has come true! They asked and given. Anyone can just take Gilyarovsky -" Moscow and Muscovites ", exchange" raspberry "for clafelin and drugs there,, scorcher "na ,, merin", or ,, boomer-beha ", ,, crayfish" na ,, Gaster "and the differences are not at all. request
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 14 July 2017 08: 33
          +3
          hi Greetings to the Great White Shark!
          Quote: avt
          ,, Suitcase-Station-Moscow "

          Skeptic / cynic decided to compete in cynicism with an unsurpassed master ?? wassat
    2. 210ox
      210ox 13 July 2017 20: 12
      +3
      So show Moscow Siberia? Show that you can work in Krasnoyarsk and Bratsk, in Novosibirsk and Yakutsk .. And don’t stand with provocative posters ... like idiots .. Or are you really idiots?
      1. rvRomanoff
        rvRomanoff 14 July 2017 07: 40
        +11
        They would be happy to show that too many enterprises in Siberia were bought up by Moscow and preserved, especially grocery ones. And then various “funny” phenomena begin, such as the “buckwheat adventures,” which grew up near Barnaul, then traveled to Krasnodar, packed there in bags and arrived in Novosibirsk, etc. etc., you can write a lot. So the situation is not being shaken by the West, but by those who are still trying to build life in Russia by Western standards. As for separatism in Siberia, do not tell. We are still mostly red and imperial.
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 14 July 2017 09: 22
          +3
          In, for sure))
          And in the worst case, it went out of business and sold out. Read about the Moscow GiprodorNII OJSC and its branches in Khabarovsk, Barnaul, etc. And where are these branches now ?! And in the "pipe", some walls remained, even no doors. And what is he doing now and at what money does the leading Gipra exist in Moscow, which does not engage in project activities? And by the fact that he creates companies like GiprodorNII-Sibir LLC, he will climb into the regions through them, collect objects at tenders, and give them for subcontracts. And subchikov also throws money. Firms then go bankrupt (OOO GiprodorNII-Sibir went bankrupt). Everything ends in water.
          1. rvRomanoff
            rvRomanoff 14 July 2017 17: 34
            0
            Being a surveyor by his occupation, I know this by hearsay. I will say more, at the rates for which Muscovites undertake to work, it is not profitable to work even for the local ones (below the minimum cost level), and then we read that something fell there, deadlines were violated, etc. etc.
        2. gcn
          gcn 14 July 2017 18: 49
          0
          That is exactly what we wrote, both red and imperial, but not white.
    3. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 13 July 2017 20: 50
      +4
      Quote: avt
      Morons who are on this razvodilovo about independent Siberia

      Siberia cannot be independent, too tidbit and too many who want to get it. It is worth isolating it from the Russian Federation, new owners will be found instantly, they will also arrange the 3rd world if they can’t agree on a division.
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 14 July 2017 09: 27
        +1
        Quote: VERESK
        then for x-nya photo at the beginning of the article? Navalniks are now trying to substitute Siberia? which Siberia is a sovereign state, or a region of the Russian Federation. "? We are Russia. God forbid, some idiots will try to think the opposite. The police work badly for us.
        I so want MOSCOW to show these cattle - SIBERIA!
        They brought up freaks who were ready to spoil the whole of Russia for thirty pieces of silver - they need to be deprived of their citizenship, along with the terrorists, which they essentially are!
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  3. barbiturate
    barbiturate 13 July 2017 15: 43
    +18
    Yes, Siberia will soon depart to China, our Moscow thieves do everything for this, and so our Omsk refinery pays taxes to St. Petersburg, and what difference does it make who will rob, Moscow and St. Petersburg are already hated and calmly talked about, there’s no USA it’s not necessary, maybe it will become better with the Chinese or with the Americans. And there are a lot of such examples with the robbery of Siberia in Moscow.
    1. avt
      avt 13 July 2017 16: 04
      +7
      Quote: barbiturate
      Moscow and St. Petersburg are already hated and calmly talk about it, no US is needed here, maybe it will become better with the Chinese or with the Americans. And there are a lot of such examples with the robbery of Siberia in Moscow.

      Well, that's what I’m talking about - the refugee candidate has already matured
      Quote: avt
      Morons who are on this razvodilovo about independent Siberia
      Such ,, dreaming barbiturates
      Quote: barbiturate
      when the Chinese become better

      It will, for the Chinese, and you all who survive will hide in these very hated to heartburn
      Quote: barbiturate
      Moscow with Peter

      Exactly the same way as now the same representatives of the ancient genus Velikyukrov, sprinkling with bile, are separate and not in a single quantity. Moreover, they do not agree on smaller cities and towns even once. All this has already been seen even in the USSR during the Sumgayit massacre. When five thousand Armenians deputies grabbed the pants, requiring at least a temporary, but a residence permit in Moscow, although they gave apartments and work in the radius of Smolensk.
      Quote: barbiturate
      Moscow robbery in Siberia

      Quote: barbiturate
      a bunch.
      1. barbiturate
        barbiturate 13 July 2017 16: 31
        +19
        Quote: avt
        Well, that's what I’m talking about - the refugee candidate has already matured


        Where to run and from whom? From the Far East and Siberia, and so all fell, without any invasions, fleeing Moscow's economic policy.

        Quote: avt
        Such ,, dreaming barbiturates
        Quote: barbiturate
        when the Chinese become better
        It will, for the Chinese, and you all who survive will hide in these very hated to heartburn
        Quote: barbiturate
        Moscow with Peter


        Maybe we’ll take a walk, but maybe not, who knows how everything will be. It is about who created and creates this situation? Why is it now and without any wars and invasions everything AND SO wander into Moscow and St. Petersburg? And what will Moscow and St. Petersburg do without our bowels? Now you are selling them and providing at least some standard of living inside the Moscow Ring Road, but how will the Chinese people move away from the Urals? What do you produce there? Oil has fallen in price by 2 times and the ruble also rattled down 2 times, so what are people doing in the European part of the Russian Federation and are you daring about? So, no matter how further you didn’t have to run to Europe, because there’s nothing to eat in the capitals either. laughing
        1. avt
          avt 13 July 2017 16: 41
          +9
          Quote: barbiturate
          What do you produce there?

          In Moscow, even with the defeat in the 90s of industry, there was still a lot of something specific and even a high-tech final product. And these are not minerals. Well, what exactly is there to tell such a Pihtelkin
          Quote: barbiturate
          And what will Moscow and St. Petersburg do without our bowels?

          To teach fools - only to spoil. Moreover,
          Quote: barbiturate
          Well, how do the Chinas depart in the Urals?
          It’s just just the blue euromechta of the great Ukrainian. We have already heard this from those waiting for the fact that Russia will quickly fall apart.
          Quote: Fei_Wong
          There is such a bird, it lives on willow, it is called naive.

          what No. ,, barbiturate "rather ... ,, bulk". And the joke is that everything about him
          Quote: barbiturate
          flee from the economic policies of Moscow.

          He put it in words and practice back in the 90s precisely ... the Soviet post from Moscow and St. Petersburg, smoked by Chicago boys, by the Lebarasts. It’s enough to recall how Gaidar said about the north - you don’t need to say that all. And they closed, destroyed what was rebuilt with such blood. Now they are at least trying to deploy it at a new technological level. However, it’s coming with a creak.
          1. barbiturate
            barbiturate 13 July 2017 16: 58
            +15
            Quote: avt
            In Moscow, even with the defeat in the 90s of industry, there was still a lot of something specific and even a high-tech final product. And these are not minerals. Well, what exactly is there to tell such a Pihtelkin


            Dada, tell me about Rosnano and Skolkovo))) oil (bananas) fell in price from 100 to 50 bucks and our money fell at the same times, here's your income diversification)
            And I want to live and work, I, a Russian person and engineer, in Russia, only our government does nothing for this, even hurts. A holy place is never empty. Our economy is at zero and how many inhabitants of the Urals do Russia have? Googling it yourself? And they run away, so after 30 years there will be no one from the police to pick up the Sinies, by the way, how many of them live in the border areas laughing So you can continue to stick labels and puff out your cheeks, the objectivity to you will blow away those cheeks in a few decades, if you survive laughing while
            1. avt
              avt 13 July 2017 18: 26
              +4
              Quote: barbiturate
              Dada, tell me about Rosnano and Skolkovo))) oil (bananas) fell in price from 100 to 50 bucks and our money fell at the same times, here's your income diversification)

              ,, D. B. "-" Salute ", ,, Khrunichev" and this is within the city limits and only that which is more or less open and without a design bureau
              Quote: barbiturate
              I, Russian man and engineer,

              What are you like at Kukui (German settlement in Moscow) ,, engineer "if you stupidly do not know the difference between
              Quote: barbiturate
              rosnano and skolkovo)

              where you actually see yourself in dreams and you see wet, as an underestimated geniot, and real production.
              Quote: barbiturate
              Googling it yourself?
              for the production left in Moscow and St. Petersburg, or will Navalnyak’s propaganda still be driven?
            2. SPACE
              SPACE 13 July 2017 19: 39
              +2
              Quote: barbiturate
              Yes, Siberia and so will soon depart to China

              Torment yourself with the Chinese.
              Quote: barbiturate
              maybe with the Chinese it will become better or with the Americans.

              In the Great Patriotic War, there were also those who believed that under Hitler it would be better.
              Quote: barbiturate
              here is our Omsk refinery

              Quote: barbiturate
              And what will Moscow and St. Petersburg do without our bowels?

              You do not have an oil refinery and the bowels are not yours, as Lomonosov said: “Russian power will grow in Siberia”
              Quote: barbiturate
              I am Russian person

              No, you are a real barbiturate.
              Z.Y. Nothing has changed, as before, "In Russia, two troubles, fools and roads."
            3. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 13 July 2017 22: 30
              +3
              Quote: barbiturate
              Dada, tell me about Rosnano and Skolkovo))) oil (bananas) fell in price from 100 to 50 bucks and our money fell at the same times, here's your income diversification)

              laughing You, apparently, have no idea about the meaning of federalism
              I explain on fingers: regions A and B make some goods and sell. Together, they throw off the budget to the center, which builds tanchiki and gives pendals to every small, but proud people. Instead, the center gives a certain number of funds and money to these regions. the number of funds and money is equal to the number of profits from the regions minus the banknotes for nation-wide services. (I reject those enterprises that have general federal significance because they are subordinate exclusively to the government of the country)

              So, maybe you should first deal with local officials? Or do you think that in “free Siberia” there can be no powder or Berezovsky?
              1. Alexdark
                Alexdark 14 July 2017 00: 27
                +3
                What are you discussions with him? Only one nickname to this does not have. Russian engineer ... Rather, I am a ballerina.
                1. Dry_T-50
                  Dry_T-50 14 July 2017 09: 53
                  0
                  Quote: AlexDARK
                  What are you discussions with him? Only one nickname to this does not have. Russian engineer ... Rather, I am a ballerina.

                  If he is a troll, then many can read it. Let the revelations read right away.
            4. Serg65
              Serg65 14 July 2017 08: 50
              +2
              Quote: barbiturate
              But to live and work, I, a Russian man and engineer, want in Russia

              Something tormenting me with vague doubts about your veracity ?? !!!
              Quote: barbiturate
              only our government

              Wow! Does your government already exist?
              Quote: barbiturate
              how many inhabitants of the Urals do Russia have?

              That you are all allegorical, write the truth "how many inhabitants in the Russian colony are beyond the Urals?"

              Quote: barbiturate
              So you can stick on labels and puff out your cheeks, objectivity will blow these cheeks out to you in a few decades, if you survive until

              That's what I like about you guys, so that's it. that when your intellect ends, then immediately you have your fingers fan and snot bubble lol
        2. germs
          germs 14 July 2017 07: 40
          +2
          Quote: barbiturate
          Maybe we’ll take a walk, but maybe not, who knows how everything will be.

          look at Ukraine and you will understand what will happen. When separating the territory (any, not only Siberia), it will be exactly the same: first, new elites will sell off the “inheritance” and fill their pockets, quickly squander everything, then they will fall under a large uncle, decommunization and de -ification will begin, etc. etc. There are a lot of examples: Ukraine, Tribaltica, Georgia - study, everything goes the same everywhere and hope that in your case everything will be different - naive and even stupid.
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 14 July 2017 08: 41
          +2
          Quote: barbiturate
          And what will Moscow and St. Petersburg do without our bowels? Now you trade them and provide at least some standard of living inside the Moscow Ring Road

          what You clearly feel like a Russian colony !!!
          Quote: barbiturate
          What do you produce there? Oil has fallen in price 2 times and the ruble also 2 times rattled down, so what are people doing in the European part of the Russian Federation and are you daring about?

          Exactly right am ..THE DEATH TO COLONIZERS !!!!! angry
          Quote: barbiturate
          So, no matter how further you didn’t have to run to Europe, because there’s nothing to eat in the capitals either.

          Well, they took it and vulgarized everything! I then believed with a fool that you are for Independence, but it turned out to be banal just "Siberia tse Europe" recourse
    2. Fei_Wong
      Fei_Wong 13 July 2017 16: 19
      +7
      Quote: barbiturate
      maybe with the Chinese it will become better or with the Americans.

      There is such a bird, it lives on willow, it is called naive. With strangers, NEVER BECOMES ANYONE BETTER. The only exception is Russia / USSR. Only we are so kind-hearted that we developed foreign territories, created the infrastructure with our own money (tearing it away from our already rich people). All the other resources are only Squeezed out and Squeezed out (did you not teach anything in the Baltics? And Ukraine? No, too? We’ll write it down). But if your (or whom you were talking about there) dream is to get a good job as a “policeman” during the occupation - well, a flag in your hands. A few years and really live well. While the Chinese / Americans have something to pull from resources, well, or if it is advantageous to place another NATO base there.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 13 July 2017 16: 33
        +6
        Quote: Fei_Wong
        But if your (or whom you were talking about there) dream is to get a good job as a “policeman” during the occupation - well, a flag in your hands.

        A colleague, I’ll supplement you, “policemen” and pitchforks in their belly can get instead of a flag in their hands. hi
      2. barbiturate
        barbiturate 13 July 2017 16: 41
        +11
        So you just described the actions of Moscow - squeezed and squeezed, but when "their" robbed - so loving, endure the Siberians laughing Well, the policemen are needed during the occupation by the hated enemy, and from here, so they will dump everything, and whoever remains, they will not show any resistance anymore, they don’t have a homeland, people don’t have this feeling. It's just true, are people probably to blame for their standard of living in a wealthy country? laughing
        1. Fei_Wong
          Fei_Wong 13 July 2017 16: 50
          +4
          So you just described the actions of Moscow - squeezed and squeezed, but when "their" robbed - so loving, endure the Siberians

          You will not believe, but indeed - "loving." At least, IT are flowers, compared to what will start if you bend under strangers. Ukraine proves clearly. It would be better if the thief Yanukovych was left and not touched, he even stole “in moderation” (and he still did not forget about the people). But the Ukrainians of a better life and new owners (“Abroad will help us!” (C) Ostap Bender) soared in the same way, and so what?
          Do you also want to have such a wonderful life of Khokhlyatsk, voluntarily surrendering to someone else's uncle for a couple of cookies and promises, how will everything be wonderful and rich?
          1. CorvusCoraks
            CorvusCoraks 13 July 2017 20: 58
            +2
            Quote: Fei_Wong
            You will not believe, but indeed - "loving." At least, IT are flowers, compared to what will start if you bend under strangers. Ukraine proves clearly. It would be better if the thief Yanukovych was left and not touched, he even stole “in moderation” (and he still did not forget about the people). But the Ukrainians of a better life and new owners (“Abroad will help us!” (C) Ostap Bender) soared in the same way, and so what?

            Smart people try to learn from someone else’s experience, like fools like the letter B above, and they won’t teach anything ...
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus 13 July 2017 18: 20
      +6
      Quote: barbiturate
      and what's the difference who will rob, Moscow and St. Petersburg and so hate

      You are replacing fair criticism of the socio-economic policies of the Russian authorities with regional separatism, that is, you are playing into the hands of the United States and anyone who dreams of the complete destruction of Russia.
      Quote: barbiturate
      And there are a lot of such examples with the robbery of Siberia in Moscow.

      And why Siberia? And not Pskov or Kostroma? Or do you think life is much better there. So I hasten to inform you, this is not so.
      And why do you separate one part of the country from another? This, again, is a substitute for attempts to solve socio-economic problems by pure Russophobic separatism.
    4. nickname7
      nickname7 13 July 2017 19: 39
      +2
      Your Omsk refinery? Exactly yours, in personal property? No, of course.
      This is a demagogy, talk about the property of others as "ours." “Yours” is only a car, but dirt under your nails, and the refinery belongs to the owner, who wouldn’t pay taxes wherever you go, it’s neither hot nor cold. And with the Americans and the Chinese, it will be good for the Chinese and the oligarchs, but no matter how you.
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 13 July 2017 21: 00
        +6
        Quote: nickname7
        This is a demagogy, talk about the property of others as "ours." “Yours” is just a car, but dirt under your nails, and the refinery belongs to the owner, who wouldn’t pay taxes wherever you are, it’s neither hot nor cold

        This is extremely controversial, the budget of Omsk and the region was based on oil revenues from refineries, just as taxes went to St. Petersburg, so we immediately dipped the budget. And we have a lot to do with this budget. It is necessary to explain what this led to, or at least enough intelligence?
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 14 July 2017 02: 40
          +4
          And what happened to the large Omsk company Mostovik, which employed more than one thousand people? Who "killed" him? But this was a rather successful company, one bridge to the Russian island in Vladivostok is worth it.
          With any "kings", scattering has always differed from Western countries in that it oppressed its people, and not the peoples of other countries. Nothing has changed. There was a period when at least there was a goal for which it was possible to tighten belts.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 July 2017 09: 01
          0
          And that in Omsk only one refinery works? Nonsense do not make a fuss.
          1. CorvusCoraks
            CorvusCoraks 14 July 2017 10: 54
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            And that in Omsk only one refinery works? Nonsense do not make a fuss.

            A forgotten what to read? where I wrote that only refinery works? I just wrote that a significant part of the budget was filled precisely from the taxes of the refinery. I don’t even know if something in this regard can be compared with him.
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 14 July 2017 09: 33
          +4
          Quote: CorvusCoraks
          This is extremely controversial, the budget of Omsk and the region precisely on the income from taxes of oil refineries and kept on how taxes went to St. Petersburg

          Your words are extremely controversial, an independent Saratov blogger Alexei Goltaev went to the website of the Interdistrict Tax Inspectorate of the Federal Tax Service of Russia for the largest taxpayers in the Omsk region, found out ...
          So, what excited users from all over the world. The answer is simple - a parable that has been on the lips of the townspeople for many years: "the taxes of the Omsk oil refinery go somewhere else."
          Aleksey did an excellent job and cited six myths firmly entrenched in the public mind. The first of them is the Omsk Oil Refinery registered in St. Petersburg. And immediately miss. The company Gazprom Neft, which owns the oil refinery, is registered in St. Petersburg. Anyone who is not too lazy to go to the website of the Federal Tax Service can dispel their own misconceptions. According to the information on the state registration of legal entities, individual entrepreneurs and peasant (farmer) enterprises (USRLE), the Omsk oil refinery is registered at the address: 1, Gubkina avenue, Omsk.
          The second common opinion logically follows from the first and is also a fallacy: the Omsk Oil Refinery pays taxes in St. Petersburg. But no, the plant transfers all taxes on profit, property and income of individuals at the place of registration, that is, to the Omsk regional and municipal budgets.
          The third myth sounds like a phrase from the cartoon: "It will be a little." Namely, the Omsk Oil Refinery pays insufficient taxes in Omsk. The judgment is subjective and is divided into information provided annually by the regional department of the Federal Tax Service. ONPZ, for a second, tops the ranking of the largest taxpayers in the region.

          http://newsomsk.ru/news/45119-fakt_i_mif_kuda_idu
          t_nalogi_omskogo_npz /
          1. CorvusCoraks
            CorvusCoraks 14 July 2017 11: 04
            +4
            Yes seriously? And why then "THE SOFDED DISCUSSED THE RETURN OF TAXES" GAZPROMNEFT-ONPZ "OMSK"? Are you foolish? That’s fools, right? Why are they asking them to discuss this, if taxes are already here from the refinery?

            "The creation of consolidated groups of companies paying taxes at the place of production received a positive assessment by the Russian Ministry of Finance and is likely to be enshrined in law. Omsk officials hope in this way to return taxes on the income of an enterprise that has been registered in St. Petersburg for several years."

            “Speaking of the Omsk oil refinery, all taxes of which are unknown, let’s face it. About seven years ago Sibneft transferred to St. Petersburg. Omsk Region lost 14 billion rubles in one fell swoop. For three years then there was compensation - 6 , 4, 2 billion for three years.

            “There were no six,” prompted from the audience.

            “Well, four,” continued Gudyma. - It is wonderful. But in order to avoid such distortions, on April 1, 2012, 11 consolidated groups of taxpayers were created that pay income tax at the place of production. The analysis showed that while 65 constituent entities of the Russian Federation won, but 18 lost. Mostly, Moscow lost 41 billion rubles. But, according to the Ministry of Finance, such a system is promising and is likely to be implemented.

            Read more: https://omskzdes.ru/main/20674.html "



            Neud and you and your unknown blocher.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 14 July 2017 12: 38
              +2
              Quote: CorvusCoraks
              “If we talk about the Omsk Oil Refinery, all taxes of which are not known where, then let's face it. About seven years ago Sibneft was transferred to St. Petersburg


              Back in 2005, Sibneft was registered and paid taxes in Omsk, which included enterprises operating in other regions of Russia (oil production - the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug; gas station network - Tyumen and Sverdlovsk Regions, Krasnoyarsk Territory, and so on). That is, local budgets received money to the detriment of other regions. To date, oil production is also actively underway in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, and these entities do not really want to give their money to Omsk, and they are not obliged. And a few figures: in 2005, the Omsk Refinery allocated 1,25 billion rubles to the budget of the Omsk Region, 2010 billion in 2,71, and 2015 billion in 3,59.

              Quote: CorvusCoraks
              Neud and you and your unknown blocher.

              hi God bless you!
              1. CorvusCoraks
                CorvusCoraks 14 July 2017 13: 15
                0
                Quote: Serg65
                God bless you!

                Where is the link, where is it taken from, from the ceiling as usual?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 14 July 2017 13: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: CorvusCoraks
                  Where is the link, where is it taken from, from the ceiling as usual?

                  the link was in the previous comment, but for fans of ceilings it is not difficult to repeat wink
                  http://newsomsk.ru/news/45119-fakt_i_mif_kuda_idu
                  t_nalogi_omskogo_npz /
                  1. CorvusCoraks
                    CorvusCoraks 14 July 2017 13: 25
                    0
                    Well, yes, a Blocher, I believe, I believe that now all Blochers have to believe, and Navalny apparently ...

                    Yes, and Saratov ...
      2. cost 75
        cost 75 14 July 2017 03: 58
        +2
        Of course he is not ours, our only stink that he gives and from which the city has been choking for half a year.
    5. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 13 July 2017 20: 51
      0
      Let us personally go to China, since everything is so bad for you and some thieves around?
      But do not touch Siberia and do not decide for all its inhabitants.
    6. gcn
      gcn 14 July 2017 18: 54
      0
      They sold something like us and still sell the rest such as Golushko and with them and they earn what they themselves sell. The Schrader is silent in a single prosecutor's office.
  4. A1845
    A1845 13 July 2017 15: 46
    +1
    yes, the outlines of the borders of the Siberian Federal District really remind us of something ..
    and who held them like that?
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 13 July 2017 21: 03
      +1
      As if hinting at where everyone who wants to clean our Siberia should go.
  5. Winnie the Pooh
    Winnie the Pooh 13 July 2017 16: 08
    +6
    Siberia is the heart of Russia, Siberians are the backbone of the Russian people. A rich land, they can be understood.
  6. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 13 July 2017 16: 32
    +2
    it’s like my grandmother .. yes grandfather causals, she would be a grandfather. I understand from what I read.
  7. gla172
    gla172 13 July 2017 16: 46
    +1
    ... not a swearing hunt .... but in the photo with a poster .... frank @@@@@ S ..... !!!
  8. uskrabut
    uskrabut 13 July 2017 17: 14
    +12
    “It is clear that it is necessary to develop Siberia and the Far East, but in no case should we give up our positions where they exist.”
    Only for this plus set.
    In general, it is high time for Moscow and Muscovites to tighten their belts and live like the rest of Russia. And it seems that there is only one country, and the position is the same, but the income in Moscow is 2-3 times higher. This is not right. And when the boss receives dozens and hundreds of times more subordinates - in general disgusting. Soooo straight hard workers! Mountains collapse!
    1. avt
      avt 13 July 2017 18: 42
      +3
      Quote: uskrabut
      And it seems that there is only one country, and the position is the same, but the income in Moscow is 2-3 times higher.

      So life is not cheaper.
      Quote: uskrabut
      And when the boss receives dozens and hundreds of times more subordinates - in general disgusting.

      That sho-o-o-o-o? Only in Moscow? But we didn’t know .... But how much real estate the regionals of all stripes bought in Moscow, not only guess, but we have an idea. Again, the quantity and quality of regional representations with the budget money of the regions, and there are no problems getting acquainted with the mansions for the residence of your local leaders who come to Moscow. But with the fact that Moscow was fanned to disgrace, and even destroying car factories, machine-tool, tool and gas processing plants, remaking them in the marketplace, yes. The fact from which the city is clearly already choking, as well as from the Luzhkov monster City. Bezdelnikov - office plankton and other ,, intellectual "humanitarian lobotryasov vacuumed into the capital without measure. You can swear," commie "with their residence permit. But it was a real filter, when people nevertheless got into the city for real studies, the quality of which was an order of magnitude higher, and specific work. Moreover, the first by distribution did disperse throughout the Union.
  9. cedar
    cedar 13 July 2017 17: 19
    +4
    “Independent Siberia will put Russia on its knees”

    Pindo Stan was not in vain preoccupied and was born another article on the fate of Siberia. He sees an eye and a tooth is numb ... And I want to make Siberia "independent", but here the Arctic troops were in trouble, the launch site, on the Kuril Islands of the RF Armed Forces ... It’s necessary to strengthen the sanctions ... The people in the east are not iron. He will run, freeing the rich strawberry for Uncle Sam. And in the wet dreams of Washington and London, it’s generally shining to bring Russia to its knees with sanctions, so that it would give everything that they order, of course, Siberia.
    See at the root, dear. Siberia, even if it freed itself from Russia, WILL NOT be SECOND independent.
    Who does not understand, look at whom and why the EBN Center in Eburg works.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 13 July 2017 21: 08
      +1
      Quote: cedar
      See at the root, dear. Siberia, even if it freed itself from Russia, WILL NOT be SECOND independent.

      Naturally.
      At best, a puppet government, chosen by the new owners for the Aboriginal people, in the worst case, direct control, even without intermediaries.
      And it’s far from the fact that at least something will fall from the bowels of those living in Siberia. Now ht something on the social network, the budget goes.
      And there can be no talk of actual independence in the current population and in the absence of the army and industry, comparable with the regional average.
  10. romb
    romb 13 July 2017 17: 44
    0
    American project. I remember they started promoting this topic in the nineties. I do not know how relevant this is for them now. But China will be interested. Work in the medium term - so to speak.
  11. Odysseus
    Odysseus 13 July 2017 18: 11
    +6
    I note the professionalism of Western propaganda.
    They not only carry out the tasks of the current day, namely, they spit on all opponents of globalization (even within the USA) and support the heat of anti-Russian hysteria, but also immediately implant goals for the future in the minds.
    Both short-term (complete withdrawal of Russia from the post-Soviet republics) and long-term (collapse of Russia). And they immediately indicate the configuration they need to collapse — namely, Siberia should not go to the PRC, but should fall under their influence.
    That's it in our brainwashing is not a sin and learn from the West.
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 13 July 2017 22: 33
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      I note the professionalism of Western propaganda.
      They not only carry out the tasks of the current day, namely, they spit on all opponents of globalization (even within the USA) and support the heat of anti-Russian hysteria, but also immediately implant goals for the future in the minds.
      Both short-term (complete withdrawal of Russia from the post-Soviet republics) and long-term (collapse of Russia). And they immediately indicate the configuration they need to collapse — namely, Siberia should not go to the PRC, but should fall under their influence.
      That's it in our brainwashing is not a sin and learn from the West.

      This brainwashing implies a slightly different morality and mentality than those that people who have survived the twentieth century.
  12. Boris25
    Boris25 13 July 2017 18: 59
    +2
    Quote: barbiturate
    Yes, Siberia will soon depart to China, our Moscow thieves do everything for this, and so our Omsk refinery pays taxes to St. Petersburg, and what difference does it make who will rob, Moscow and St. Petersburg are already hated and calmly talked about, there’s no USA it’s not necessary, maybe it will become better with the Chinese or with the Americans. And there are a lot of such examples with the robbery of Siberia in Moscow.

    Perhaps it will be a discovery for you that Moscow and St. Petersburg are robbing not only Siberia, but also other regions, and even the whole country. It’s just not with the Chinese, not with the Amers, the Yaps and other “neighbors” that the local will not get better. Look at the 'non-brothers', they show us how to live and work is not necessary. The locals themselves have to plow and have no one to rely on. And not only in Siberia ...
  13. Boris25
    Boris25 13 July 2017 19: 05
    +2
    Gentlemen, comrades, what is there to comment on? Some striped morons teach other striped morons how Russia needs to live. It’s ridiculous.
  14. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 13 July 2017 19: 27
    +1
    severe universal masturbation
  15. nickname7
    nickname7 13 July 2017 19: 50
    +1
    Such reasoning is our Siberia, ours was under the communists, and now it’s not ours, but someone else’s. If Siberia is separated, the factories and enterprises will, as always, belong to the owners, does it really matter to the owner’s employee, which Siberia is a sovereign state, or the region of the Russian Federation.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 13 July 2017 21: 13
      +1
      Quote: nickname7
      Such reasoning is our Siberia, ours was under the communists, and now it’s not ours, but someone else’s. If Siberia is separated, the factories and enterprises will, as always, belong to the owners, does it really matter to the owner’s employee, which Siberia is a sovereign state, or the region of the Russian Federation.

      So I think, but will it not matter to you if the native Russian lands that are now part of the KZ in Russia return? After all, "is it all the same to the owner's employee, what Siberia is a sovereign state, or a region of the Russian Federation."?
  16. Bat
    Bat 13 July 2017 19: 51
    0
    Vanyusha, what does Siberia have to do with it?
  17. Black_Vatnik
    Black_Vatnik 13 July 2017 20: 35
    +5
    I am for the integrity of Russia and for its expansion and growth. But as a Siberian I can say: damn, we really do not understand why many grandmas go to the MSC. It is disgusting to realize that one of the main news of domestic politics in recent months is renovation in Moscow. You see, they can’t decide whether they want new houses or not ...
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 13 July 2017 21: 19
      +3
      Quote: Black_Jacket
      But as a Siberian I can say: damn, we really do not understand why many grandmas go to the MSC. It is disgusting to realize that one of the main news of domestic politics in recent months is renovation in Moscow. You see, they can’t decide whether they want new houses or not ...

      Yes there is, the Omsk refinery has become especially noticeable. We are all for integrity, but somehow it’s necessary not only to raise taxes and subsoil, but as they say correctly, to give something in return - support, development of infrastructure, industry. But nevertheless, specifically about the situation with the refinery, again, it is advisable to exclude such situations when the plant operates in one region, taxes go to the budget of another, as if St. Petersburg are not breathing all these regular emissions from it, besides pollution from it.
      1. Black_Vatnik
        Black_Vatnik 14 July 2017 10: 37
        +7
        Take my region. The Priobskoye and Mamontovskoye fields give about the same amount of oil as all the fields of Azerbaijan give. But at the same time, one of the most beautiful capitals in the CIS was rebuilt with the oil money of Azerbaijan and the 9 millionth state is fed less, and my roads have not been made since 2011, they just patched the arrival of Komarova.
        And the biggest irony is that the city of Nefteyugansk was experiencing its best times when the criminal Khodorkovsky taxied Yukos.
        Moscow is sitting there and cannot solve the issue of renovation, but here people still live in wooden houses, which were built in the 80s as temporary ones. But the saddest thing is that many Muscovites firmly believe that it is they who feed Russia. And in principle, they are up to the lantern, how the province lives .... Moscow City)
  18. HEATHER
    HEATHER 13 July 2017 22: 08
    +8
    What kind of h-nya photo at the beginning of the article? Now the heads of Siberia are trying to substitute Siberia? which Siberia is a sovereign state, or a region of the Russian Federation. "? angry We are Russia. God forbid, any idiots will try to think the opposite. Sucks the police are working for us.
    1. Alexdark
      Alexdark 14 July 2017 00: 55
      +2
      In fact, this whole topic has long been living. From the ideas of the "United States of Siberia" to the absurd "Siberians are not Russians, descendants of the Norwegians!" ... A D, B believes, not even believing, just in spite of, in vain. Mostly shkolota with brain problems.
      Well and so. Nevertheless, some indignation is understandable. And instead of fearing all this garbage, with sections and departments, the authorities, on the contrary, would have fought this. And not with these very ideas, criminal, false, but due to the development of Siberia, the standard of living. And then these things will resolve themselves. But what is Siberia, all of Russia must be dealt with, not only feudal Moscow. After all, with anger it is quite possible to separate, and to go against your own with a bloody war. Only this one, who lives too much better, is well-to-do, wealthy, not at all at the expense of Moscow. Of course I'm not talking about ordinary Muscovites, who also do not grab the golden mountains, in fact ... But you can’t do that. And also take into account the growing popularity of discrimination throughout Russia from Moscow. On TV, anywhere. It will soon come to the point that they will begin to talk about genetic inferiority, and the Arians live in Moscow. Although this was observed even in the USSR. And 90 and zero? When enterprising people (thieves and bandits) from Moscow bought up everything that is possible in the regions for subsequent destruction. Factories, enterprises and more. And then they say, “you work better, as we are in Moscow” ... Yeah.
      1. Kirgoudou
        Kirgoudou 14 July 2017 09: 54
        0
        And now, tell me, dear man, and WHERE HOW all of these, buyers, etc., appeared in Moscow?
        Is it not from Zazhopinsk whether all these so-called Muscovites?
        You google their profile then, BEFORE THE PURGUE TO KNOW ... Yeah ...
        1. Alexdark
          Alexdark 14 July 2017 21: 02
          0
          Correctly you all speak, correctly. Are there native Muscovites? I don’t think so. And by what criterion is it generally evaluated, and what's the difference, Lord ...
  19. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 13 July 2017 22: 19
    +1
    Gygygy, suckers from the first pictures naively hope that in the "Free Siberia" can not be oligarchs.
  20. ronnon
    ronnon 13 July 2017 23: 17
    +3
    It is necessary to transfer the capital to Siberia in the center of the country, and then Moscow is already frantic with fat, then Khrushchev is demolishing itself or what ring it surrounds itself, and so it will be a western county town ;-)
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 13 July 2017 23: 31
      +3
      Omsk. The capital of Siberia.
      1. 24rus
        24rus 14 July 2017 05: 23
        0
        We don’t need a capital here, there are enough bureaucrats raising their salaries in half ..
        1. HEATHER
          HEATHER 14 July 2017 16: 03
          +3
          Already refused. The prosecutor's office tried. And this was with us, in Krasnoyarsk.
    2. Kirgoudou
      Kirgoudou 14 July 2017 09: 41
      0
      In New Vasyuki we will open the International Chess Tournament!
      And the capital will automatically move here !!!
      ...
    3. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 14 July 2017 09: 52
      0
      Quote: ronnon
      It is necessary to transfer the capital to Siberia in the center of the country, and then Moscow is already frantic with fat, then Khrushchev is demolishing itself or what ring it surrounds itself, and so it will be a western county town ;-)

      Shoigu offered in Krasnoyarsk, after all, the infrastructure is better developed
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 14 July 2017 11: 02
        +1
        [quote = Sukhoi_T-50] [quote = ronnon] It’s necessary to move the capital to Siberia to the center of the country, or Moscow is already furious with fat, it’s demolishing the Khrushchevs or surrounding itself with what ring, and it will be a western district city ;-) [/ quote]
        Moscow became a center while the Snemis and Poland fought. St. Petersburg when they dealt with the Germans and Swedes. Now you need closer to China. Logistics, to whom and to know how not Shoigu.
        1. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 14 July 2017 19: 56
          0
          [quote = Mavrikiy] [quote = Dry_T-50] [quote = ronnon] H
          ado to move the capital to Siberia in the center of the country, and then Moscow is already frantic with fat, it is demolishing Khrushchev or it is already ringing itself with what ring, and so it will be a western county town; -) [/]
          Moscow became the center until the Germans and Poland fought. S-PB when with Germans and Swedes understood. Now we need closer to China. Logistics, to whom and know how not Shoigu. [/ Quote]
          Very close is not necessary, but a very good judgment
      2. HEATHER
        HEATHER 14 July 2017 16: 09
        +3
        An interesting statement. A cramped, filthy city. Infrastructure - wassat So much the better is Novosib.Tam and the roads are wider and the placement of the railway and Tolmachevo is much better. Lufthansa refused of Krasnoyarsk airport with its eternal problems and one lane. Dry_T-50- hi
        1. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 14 July 2017 19: 54
          0
          Quote: VERESK
          An interesting statement. A cramped, filthy city. Infrastructure - wassat So much the better is Novosib.Tam and the roads are wider and the placement of the railway and Tolmachevo is much better. Lufthansa refused of Krasnoyarsk airport with its eternal problems and one lane. Dry_T-50- hi

          Strange, I thought that in recent years, the Land has greatly improved in terms of living conditions.
          Novosib is also a good idea, strange how I did not think of such a thing.
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 14 July 2017 20: 05
            +2
            The region as it was and remained. Something is being done. A new terminal at the airport. And so there are only shopping centers. And nothing more. What has been built, let's say, is a road bypassing the city, the Putin Bridge is thanks to the president. Now a lot of money is being trickled into a student co-operative. No one can see it yet. Although, he himself came and gave an instruction. What will be, we will see. By the beginning of the 18th everything should be on the ointment.
          2. Nitochkin
            Nitochkin 14 July 2017 22: 21
            0
            The most painful place in Krasnoyarsk is ecology. It seems to me precisely because of the miserable ecology that the people in Krasus for the most part are somehow not kind, not friendly, as if poisoned and forever tired. You’ll be there, pay attention to how people are dressed, the main gamut is dark tones, and they don’t dress beautifully, more and more utilitarian like that, it’s tasteless.
  21. Archon
    Archon 14 July 2017 05: 16
    0
    From the connection of any parts is impossible economically and politically. Only by force, but it will move into the third world.
  22. Archon
    Archon 14 July 2017 05: 22
    +4
    So you live like this in Primorye and think that here it is, Russia - Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, Novosibirsk ... And to the west - it’s not Russia, but something distant, television. Although relatives moved to the western part and are glad that everything is cheap and you can live normally.
    1. Kirgoudou
      Kirgoudou 14 July 2017 09: 33
      +2
      Cho are you driving the cat Basilio?
      My relatives are both near Khabarovsk and in the Krasnodar Territory, and I, then in Moscow, then in Murmansk ...
      And all this is RUSSIA!
      And it WILL NOT be otherwise! As if someone was puffing ...
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  24. Kirgoudou
    Kirgoudou 14 July 2017 09: 25
    +1
    But actually, what kind of buoy do all these insects, Anglo-Saxons and other Euro-minx, so obsessively whisper to us their a la "recommendations"?
    Here "Russia does not need to keep its interest in the former republics of the USSR" and the vile allusions to the separation of Siberia ...
    Take care of your problems better, and we will manage how we can manage without our snot.
    And with the former and with the real ... Yes, and you goats and our traitors tail write down ...
    Be calm! ..
  25. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 July 2017 10: 55
    +1
    The American Interest is sure: ... "With skillful management, Siberia can again elevate Russia and give it a worthy place among the most powerful and influential countries .....", the publication summarizes.
    They’re sitting there, across the ocean and “they can’t even eat,” that Russia is not a great country. Do not see. It's a shame, but I can’t decide what to send them: a small scope or binoculars? Although the monkey glasses seem to have helped ....
  26. komradbuh
    komradbuh 14 July 2017 11: 30
    +1
    We lose Siberia, this is the end of Russia in the economic and political sense, complete
  27. Alexander Borisov
    Alexander Borisov 14 July 2017 11: 30
    0
    As experience shows, including the USSR, the richest regions of the state are striving for the separation and destruction of the state, not wanting to be donors for other regions. Therefore, it is correct that the management of natural resources is in the center and the income from their exploitation is distributed by the center.
    1. Nitochkin
      Nitochkin 14 July 2017 12: 08
      0
      Well, they try to seize and distribute all, more or less substantial, incomes, and not just from the exploitation of natural resources. And yet, if in Siberia a group of dodgers "dreams" of secession, this does not mean that all Siberians dream of it.
      Z.Y. A question. There is such an Internet resource: http://motovskikh.ru/russia, on which you can check the knowledge of the geography of Russia. And so, trying to find the regions in the western part of our state, I asked myself such a question, but why are they so small ?! Either the regions are east of the Kirov region, especially the Krasnoyarsk Territory and Sakha. Why such fine local crushing? Why not combine all this “shellupon” into one or three large regions, one of which is called, for example, the Moscow Region?
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 15 July 2017 08: 12
        0
        Quote: Nitochkin
        Z.Y. A question. There is such an Internet resource: http://motovskikh.ru/russia, on which you can check the knowledge of the geography of Russia. And so, trying to find the regions in the western part of our state, I asked myself such a question, but why are they so small ?! Either the regions are east of the Kirov region, especially the Krasnoyarsk Territory and Sakha. Why such fine local crushing? Why not combine all this “shellupon” into one or three large regions, one of which is called, for example, the Moscow Region?

        It is high time, especially if the bureaucratic apparatus can be reduced under this matter.
  28. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 16 July 2017 13: 16
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    What stupid people in the first photo? These must be strangled immediately after birth. I was born in Siberia, and as a Russian, I cannot stand such macaques.