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Creation of the nuclear submarine "Haska" incorporated in the program for 2018-2025 years

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The creation of the newest multi-purpose nuclear submarine of the Husk project is provided for by the state weapons program (LG) for 2018-2025, reports RIA News a message from the deputy head of the Navy for armaments to Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk.

The project of the fifth-generation submarine "Haska"

Development work on the Husk submarine, which is the fifth generation of our underwater fleetlaid in GPV 2018-2025,
Bursuk said at a scientific conference at the Naval Salon in St. Petersburg.

According to him, "submarines of the fifth generation of the class" Husk "will surpass all indicators of the current boats."

Especially in the main indicator - stealth, at least twice,
added the deputy commander of the Myth of Russia.

Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said that "an advance project of a promising fifth-generation nuclear submarine is currently being developed, the results of which will decide on the timing of its creation."
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 2 July 2017 10: 58
    +10
    Creation of the nuclear submarine "Haska" incorporated in the program for 2018-2025 years
    "Husky" Into the beast. Under the ice of the Arctic partners will be hot.
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 2 July 2017 11: 01
      +5
      We will develop a project and find out: what is a Husky. The main thing is that funds are allocated and work is provided.
      1. Zibelew
        Zibelew 2 July 2017 11: 07
        +14
        It would be nice to name the project “Moscow Watchdog” if they like to call the projects dog breeds! And what?
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 2 July 2017 11: 14
          +13
          Zibelew
          So what?
          Tc-cc! Well, quiet here, secret dope indigents publish. bully laughing
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 2 July 2017 11: 29
            +3
            Hello, Sergey ! hi
            Quote: Observer2014
            Tc-cc! Well, quiet here, secret dope indigents publish.

            It’s not for nothing that Tagiryan posted this picture - let the adversaries b (s) children. lol
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 2 July 2017 11: 36
              +5
              bouncyhunter
              Tagiryan knowingly posted this picture - let the adversaries b (s) children
              Pasha and mine to you from the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus hi It’s nice that sensible criticism was taken into account on the site. Publish articles with visual additions. Video, pictures. And since the time of the USSR they saw their technique in foreign media for the first time. Although it’s clear to everyone that the photo for the fantasy article will kick the designer. Something is clear that in kb developers secrecy is not necessary and necessary, at the genetic level laughing
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 2 July 2017 11: 40
                +14
                Quote: Observer2014
                At least it’s clear to everyone that the photo for the article of fantasy will turn some kind of designer.

                Let me remind you of the relatively recent Internet appearance of "Almaty" smile
                1. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 2 July 2017 11: 42
                  +3
                  Vladimirets
                  Let me remind you of the relatively recent Internet appearance of "Almaty"
                  hi That's it !! And, I’m talking about how many years.
                  1. Thrall
                    Thrall 2 July 2017 11: 50
                    +6
                    Well, since the submarines in the title of the article called "Husk", then I will call the new tank "Armati". So even more glamorous, and the adversaries confuse, again smile
                    1. Observer2014
                      Observer2014 2 July 2017 11: 56
                      +5
                      Thrall
                      Well, since the submarines in the title of the article called "Husk", then I will call the new tank "Armati".
                      laughing hi And I, everything was monitored by who the first I get on this notice bullyColleague! You a medal! drinks P / S all the more already the "secrets" all issued laughing
                      1. Vladimirets
                        Vladimirets 2 July 2017 12: 11
                        +4
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        And I, everything was monitored by who the first I get on this colleague will notice! You a medal!

                        Fucking you monitor, colleague. feel
                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        Actually, there is no such word as "husky", there is "husky"

                        We always have this: they will punish the innocent, reward the uninvolved ... winked
                      2. Thrall
                        Thrall 2 July 2017 14: 42
                        0
                        Classic Five Lakes will be softer drinks
                2. VadimSt
                  VadimSt 2 July 2017 16: 10
                  0
                  Internet skins are created by free evil artists ... not designers!
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 2 July 2017 19: 26
                    0
                    Quote: Thrall
                    Classic Five Lakes will be softer

                    Have you tried the "Arkhangelsk"? wink
                    1. kote119
                      kote119 3 July 2017 00: 21
                      0
                      GOOD, PARTICULARLY DRINKING KURTAYAEVSKY MIN WATER
                3. Fei_Wong
                  Fei_Wong 2 July 2017 17: 24
                  +5
                  Let me remind you of the relatively recent Internet appearance of "Almaty"

                  With the number of rollers guessed.
            2. cniza
              cniza 2 July 2017 11: 38
              +3
              Good day to all! hi
              A beautiful name and let them guess what it means.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 2 July 2017 11: 43
                +2
                Vitya hi But imagine: if military equipment could be named using what is forbidden in the military? wink I’m joking, of course, but mattresses would urgently have to attract specialists for the “great and mighty”. lol
                1. cniza
                  cniza 2 July 2017 11: 46
                  +3
                  They will still name it their own way, but they will never understand our teams and negotiations. laughing hi
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 2 July 2017 12: 01
                    +12
                    I have already quoted this somehow, but on this occasion we can repeat:
                    Know-how. It is necessary so-called "Padonkafsky ezig" to use for the good of the Fatherland. For example, it can be used to encrypt military negotiations.
                    The benefit is obvious: ours will read orders like "key nastard!" it just flies in without using any keys, and the enemy computers will burn in the second second, trying to decrypt, for example, such a dialogue:

                    - Klyuch 'nastard is just a little adin!
                    - First broach!
                    - Azemud of the Trizte! (at this moment, half of the Pentagon's computers begin to smoke)
                    - Baigalaffko gatof! (all Omerigi polyglots rummage through dictionaries)
                    - author, burn!
                    - Pashol!
                    - Well there?
                    - A sikund of naman pallet hangs. (mattresses are looking for the number “write” on the watch)
                    - Where are we flying?
                    - Over Khobarovzg! (Google Maps closes for prevention)
                    - Hurry up?
                    - Pizot!
                    - Why.
                    - Where's the soup?
                    - Pralitayem Akiyan (all United States geographers of Matrasia tear cards and ass hair)
                    - What's up ?
                    - Needled.
                    - Low.
                    - Well, niaille.
                    - Fsem preved.
                    Despite the “nyaled”, faith in the Pentagon’s own capabilities has been irrevocably undermined. Trump asks the Senate for one hundred pizzas of billions of dollars for new computers and shields. America in a trance. The Russians won.
                  2. Sirocco
                    Sirocco 2 July 2017 13: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: cniza
                    but they will never understand our teams and negotiations.

                    I think here from the promised land and not only our former compatriots will help them, from a mature generation.
      2. Pirogov
        Pirogov 2 July 2017 11: 14
        +2
        Quote: oleg-gr
        We will develop a project and find out: what is a Husky. The main thing is that funds are allocated and work is provided.

        The main thing is that Haska really was better than Ash, otherwise the Lada project was also so praised, but in the end some questions ......
        1. san4es
          san4es 2 July 2017 12: 06
          +8
          Quote: Pirogov
          Quote: oleg-gr
          We will develop a project and find out: what is a Husky. The main thing is that funds are allocated and work is provided.

          The main thing is that Haska really was better than Ash, otherwise the Lada project was also so praised, but in the end some questions ......

          ... can be compared

          Above the Husky
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 2 July 2017 12: 53
            +3
            The project does not even exist as a sketch. Where are the drawings from? All this is fantasy. The main feature of the Husky is promised a serious unification of strategists and maples. And this can both mean an increase in the size of maples, and a decrease in the size of future strategists.
            1. san4es
              san4es 2 July 2017 14: 06
              +5
              Quote: g1v2
              The project does not even exist as a sketch. Where are the drawings from?

              ... There is an agent in Malachite wink (joke)
              ... This is rather a sketch than a drawing ... "Ash" squeezed in size yes
      3. Duke
        Duke 2 July 2017 11: 44
        +6
        The first technical details of the fifth-generation multipurpose nuclear submarine project became known only in December 2014. Deputy Director General of Malachit SPMBM Nikolay Novoselov told the press that the promising submarine would have a double-hull structure and a total displacement of up to 12 thousand tons. It is interesting that at that time the project was being developed by Malachite on an initiative basis, since the Ministry of Defense had not yet issued a technical task. In addition, N. Novoselov mentioned that one of the tasks of the new projects is the unification of multi-purpose and strategic submarines for various equipment. Some developments in this direction have already been implemented by now.
        In March of last year, new views on the appearance of the promising submarine were announced. So, V. Dorofeev expressed the belief that the new submarine will be built on a modular principle, and will also be able to use robotics. The use of robotic systems must have great potential, since the submarine is required to maintain secrecy even when working together and sharing information with other fleet combat units.
        Also in March 2015, the first reports appeared on the possible composition of the weapons of the promising submarine. With reference to unnamed sources in the defense industry, domestic media reported that the main strike weapons of the Husky submarines would be the promising hypersonic cruise missiles Zircon. In addition, the source of this information noted that the new type of missiles have already been tested.
        About a year later, new messages appeared on the Husky project. It was noted that at that time the works were at the stage of forming the appearance of a nuclear submarine. The Navy was engaged in the development of technical specifications, in accordance with which preliminary design was to be conducted. The developer in the person of SPBMM “Malakhit” received about two years for the implementation of the draft design. The result of this work will be the formation of the exact appearance of the ship. It was argued that the creation of a fully titanium durable body is not planned, although some elements of titanium will still be present in the design. The type of reactor proposed for use will be determined later.
    2. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 2 July 2017 11: 02
      +6
      "Husky" is a beautiful and very sensitive hunting dog of Siberia ... I hope not for nothing that such a name was given to the latest development of the Russian nuclear submarines! I'm sure of it .. Good luck to you guys, Russia is praying for you!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 2 July 2017 11: 05
        +21
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        "Husky" is a beautiful and very sensitive hunting dog of Siberia ..

        Actually, there is no such word "husky", there is a "husky" derived by the Americans (after the "terminator" I am no longer surprised at anything), in addition, it is sledding, not hunting.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 2 July 2017 11: 22
          +3
          Perhaps at least Husk will be compared in low noise with Virginia and Siowulf. And the nickname Roaring Cows really strains. I think so: the main characteristic of a boat is secrecy. Everything should work only for her. Other - according to the residual principle.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 2 July 2017 11: 43
            +7
            Quote: Basarev
            And it’s really annoying nickname Roaring Cows

            It is a myth. The noise of our boats has been verified many times. Even forced by sudden ascent among the AUG warrant.
            The phrase "Roaring Cows" belongs to an American general. He comes from Texas. They call a roaring cow a cow that is looking for a place to calve. So it's not about noise, but about the fact that Soviet submarines could find a secluded place near Texas and "calve" there.
          2. Pulya
            Pulya 2 July 2017 11: 44
            +2
            Quote: Basarev
            Perhaps at least Husky will be equal in quietness with Virginia and Siowulf. And the nickname Roaring Cows really strains. I think so: the main characteristic of a boat is secrecy. Everything should work only for her. Other - according to the residual principle.


            It is not regrettable that a submarine with nuclear control system will soon cease to be secretive. Due to the fact that a nuclear reactor is visible from satellites (radiation, not only gamma particles, comes from it).
            We already have a satellite that tracks Atomic submarines hi
            1. venik
              venik 2 July 2017 14: 28
              +1
              Quote: Pulya
              We already have a satellite that tracks Atomic submarines

              =======
              In fact, these technologies have been around for 35 years !!!!
              1. Pulya
                Pulya 2 July 2017 19: 10
                0
                Quote: venik
                Quote: Pulya
                We already have a satellite that tracks Atomic submarines

                =======
                In fact, these technologies have been around for 35 years !!!!


                These technologies are 8 years old !!!
                This radiation could detect exactly 8 (eight) years ago.
          3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2017 12: 13
            +7
            Quote: Basarev
            Perhaps at least Husky will be equal in quietness with Virginia and Siowulf

            Parity with the United States was achieved at Pike, which was actually confirmed by practice during operations Aport and Atrin
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 2 July 2017 12: 44
              +3
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Parity with the United States was achieved at Pike, which was actually confirmed by practice during operations Aport and Atrin

              Noise parity was achieved much earlier. Confirmation of these operations.
              Operation Atrina was not particularly large-scale and unique. This was not the first trip of such submarines to that area. In 1962, during the Caribbean crisis, Operation Kady was carried out as part of Operation Anadyr - relocation of the 20th Squadron of Disparate Forces, formed by the Northern Fleet, under the command of Rear Admiral L.F. Rybalko, to the port of Mariel on Cuba. The squadron included a combination of surface ships, a division of rocket diesel-electric submarines (DEPL) and a brigade of multi-purpose DEPLs. Due to a change in the situation, only four diesel-electric submarines, comprising 69 submarine brigades, went under the command of Captain 1st Rank V.N. Agafonov to the Cuban region. (on the submarine B-4).


              In 1983, a submarine pr.671-RTM K-324 made a campaign in the Sargasso Sea (commander - captain of the 2nd rank V.A. Teryokhin). That trip was very difficult. Due to overheating, the PLA repeatedly lost its combat readiness, and then, losing its understanding of the environment, the boat crashed into the towed antenna of the US Navy PLO ship, cut it off, wound it around the screw and lost speed. According to the results of the campaign Teryokhin V.A. was removed from the post of commander of the boat and transferred "to the shore."


              In 1986, a two-week search anti-submarine operation “Aport” was carried out with the participation of five submarines: K-324, K-299 and K-502 Project 671-RTM, Submarine K-147 Project 671 with AOKS and K-488 pr. 671-RT, as well as 2 hydrographic vessels (GISU): Lira and Kolguyev, where the commander of the 33rd division A.I.Shevchenko was located. At Aport, forces operated west of the Newfoundland Bank (1500 miles north of the Kama and Atrina operations). In terms of scale of operations and composition of forces, Operation Aport was superior to Operation Atrina.

              Second-generation boats participated in Atrin. 671-rtm.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2017 14: 19
                0
                Honestly - I did not understand what you want to say. In the first case, we are talking about diesel-electric submarines, but we are talking about nuclear submarines (no-one has ever called diesel-electric submarines), in the second case - Pike. In the third - Aport.
                1. dvina71
                  dvina71 2 July 2017 15: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  Honestly - I didn’t understand what you want to say

                  The fact that in the Apport and among the augs the second generation submarines surfaced .. Which then, in your boat, were super noisy? First one?
                  The story with the noisiness of Soviet submarines has the same roots as the story with AK accuracy .. It was invented in the states to explain why they have the M-16 .. sports rifle .. it is in service. And they started talking about the noise of Soviet submarines in the late 80s .. zhurnoshlyuhi .. which were based precisely on the words of the American general .. and nothing more. The question remains .. Why the United States and its allies .. with such a noisy Soviet nuclear submarine was to build an expensive system for detecting submarines in the Atlantic?
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2017 15: 59
                    0
                    Quote: dvina71
                    The fact that in the Apport and among the augs the second generation submarines surfaced .. Which then, in your boat, were super noisy? First one?

                    Of course. If my memory serves me right, the Americans said this - the first generation is very noisy, in the second Victor 1 and 2 (671-671RT) did a lot of noise reduction but they still haven’t reached the Americans, Lira is noisy, but starting from 671RTM (that is, Pike, which is not Pike-B 671RTMK yet) parity has come.
                    Quote: dvina71
                    The story with the noisiness of Soviet submarines has the same roots as the story with AK accuracy

                    And what is wrong with the story? The M-16 seems to have better accuracy than the AK, another question is that the light did not converge on the accuracy, and AK has preference for the combination of qualities.
                    Quote: dvina71
                    And at the end of the 80s they talked about the noise of the Soviet nuclear submarines ... zhurnashlyuhi .., which were based precisely on the words of the American general .. and nothing more

                    Our submariners, with whom I have communicated, do not confirm your words
                    Quote: dvina71
                    The question remains .. Why the United States and its allies .. with such a noisy Soviet nuclear submarine was to build an expensive system for detecting submarines in the Atlantic?

                    To prevent our submarines from entering the Atlantic, of course. The fact that our 1st generation submarines were inferior in noise to the American ones did not make them an easy target for the Americans, just as the best indicator of accuracy does not give the M-16 superiority over Kalashnikov
          4. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 2 July 2017 13: 11
            +5
            Quote: Basarev
            I think so: the main characteristic of a boat is secrecy. Everything should work only for her. Other - according to the residual principle.

            Stuff nonsense! It hurts her "s"
            Respected! You’re just like a maximalist! Well, it’s impossible in the matter itself: “secrecy is everything” - nothing is a weapon! Boats are created in order to carry weapons specific to their class, and not for "secretive" walks on the sea-okiyan.
            Yes, "secrecy" is the most important tactical quality Submarine, but what about the "huge destructive impact on the objects" of transportable weapons !? And will a “silent” submarine with autonomy of 2 days, speed 1,5 knots and depth of immersion 30m be needed?
            So, "happiness is not in money, but in their quantity!" - as Kolka’s friend said.
            In addition to silent soft legs, you also need to have sharp claws and powerful muscles to quickly and far jump when hunting for game! Therefore, probably, they gave our 971 projects the names of cat predators. (Animal Division!) Do not believe it? ask Rudolph hi - he served in it.
            PS / By the way, 971M was comparable in noise level with Elk, and even surpassed Sokhaty. Therefore, singing “war songs” of the 80 of the last century about “roaring cows” (675 etc.) in 2017 of the year is at least unethical, and what’s not patriotic is 100%! yes
          5. venik
            venik 2 July 2017 14: 19
            +1
            Quote: Basarev
            Perhaps at least Husk will be compared in low noise with Virginia and Siowulf. And the nickname Roaring Cows really strains.

            =======
            They have long been no longer "roaring" !!!! This applied to the first two generations of Soviet
        2. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 2 July 2017 13: 00
          +3
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          "Husky" is a beautiful and very sensitive hunting dog of Siberia ..

          Actually, there is no such word "husky", there is a "husky" derived by the Americans (after the "terminator" I am no longer surprised at anything), in addition, it is sledding, not hunting.

          Well done..! I always knew that you were good at American ..! That's just the St. George ribbon on the avatar is always annoying ..! A lot of you have deceived the people on it ...? Guys, keep in mind that this insidious one has been working here for a long time .. Liberast seasoned!
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 2 July 2017 15: 04
            +6
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            Well done..! I always knew that you were good at American ..! That's just the St. George ribbon on the avatar is always annoying ..! A lot of you have deceived the people on it ...? Guys, keep in mind that this insidious one has been working here for a long time .. Liberast seasoned!

            Guys, pour Vitale, he caught a spy. good
            1. Mystery12345
              Mystery12345 2 July 2017 19: 08
              +5
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Guys, pour Vitale, he caught a spy.

              he is so rarely sober ... besides ... fool
      2. Pulya
        Pulya 2 July 2017 11: 36
        +3
        Husky - riding dog!!!!

        The beginning of the population of Chukotka
        laughing
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 2 July 2017 13: 17
        +5
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        "Husky" is a beautiful and very sensitive hunting dog of Siberia ..
        Meehan! AU !!! Wake up! drinks
        Take a trip to Siberia, look in Laika’s eyes and apologize! She is the best hunting dog, not a husky dog. yes
        1. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 2 July 2017 13: 38
          +1
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Meehan! AU !!! Wake up! drinks
          Take a trip to Siberia, look in Laika’s eyes and apologize! She is the best hunting dog, not a husky dog. yes

          It’s you who deal with Vladimirovts! And the main thing for me is the “Husky" submarine under construction! This joke will be a "riding and hunting"! Have a rest both dog connoisseurs on Wiki ..!
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 2 July 2017 15: 05
            +3
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            both dog experts on Wiki ..!

            Such a sweet one, silly girl. laughing
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 3 July 2017 14: 46
            +1
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            Have a rest both dog experts on Wiki ..!

            Vital! Are you offended at all !? belay
            Well, Sorry, did not want to offend such a naive and open-hearted person. sad ..but also not loving the "liberalists"! am
        2. Mystery12345
          Mystery12345 2 July 2017 19: 10
          +4
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Meehan! AU !!! Wake up!

          he can’t ... the state of "coma" for life ... on the machine spits up all sorts of "abyrvalg" ... who knows, does not pay attention, this is newcomers being ...
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 2 July 2017 11: 33
      +1
      I wonder what will go into experimental design work? I hope the weapons and equipment of the new generation, too, otherwise it’s sad to build such a beauty and equip Onyxes and Caliber. It's like a Mercedes on wooden wheels. Yes, Zircon is already on its way, but I would like a cruise missile in an inconspicuous and long-range, and then look maybe something new will come up. I hope that everything is taken into account in the program.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 2 July 2017 11: 44
        +2
        Quote: RASKAT
        I wonder what will go into experimental design work?

        They will tell you everything in the FSB .. contact us ..
      2. AUL
        AUL 2 July 2017 11: 55
        0
        The creation of a nuclear submarine "Husky" laid in the program for 2018-2025 years
        Not the creation of a nuclear submarine, but the development of a project. From the project to the creation (launching) of the boat - alas, a huge distance!
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 2 July 2017 13: 41
          +2
          Quote: AUL
          The creation of a nuclear submarine "Husky" laid in the program for 2018-2025 years
          Not the creation of a nuclear submarine, but the development of a project. From the project to the creation (launching) of the boat - alas, a huge distance!

          No, it seems to be "creation", rather than design. Apparently TTZ "Malachite" from the fleet received, and he had already proactively designed it. There was a preliminary stage and the development of working drawings, digitization and metal cutting. Further assembly. They will be assembled modularly - in compartments with filling them with aggregates, units and mechanisms ...
          So, maybe by the 2025 year we will see a new unit at the ZHI-GI.
          Well, I would very much like to put these words in the ears of the Lord! yes
      3. Muvka
        Muvka 2 July 2017 12: 32
        +1
        Quote: RASKAT
        I wonder what will go into experimental design work? I hope the weapons and equipment of the new generation, too, otherwise it’s sad to build such a beauty and equip Onyxes and Caliber. It's like a Mercedes on wooden wheels. Yes, Zircon is already on its way, but I would like a cruise missile in an inconspicuous and long-range, and then look maybe something new will come up. I hope that everything is taken into account in the program.

        In fact, PU calibers and zircons are the same.
        1. Pulya
          Pulya 2 July 2017 19: 16
          0
          In fact, PU calibers and zircons are the same.

          An impha passed that Zircon would be tighter than the Caliber ...
      4. Victor Dubovitsky
        Victor Dubovitsky 2 July 2017 22: 00
        0
        Quote: RASKAT
        I wonder what will go into experimental design work? I hope the weapons and equipment of the new generation, too, otherwise it’s sad to build such a beauty and equip Onyxes and Caliber. It's like a Mercedes on wooden wheels. Yes, Zircon is already on its way, but I would like a cruise missile in an inconspicuous and long-range, and then look maybe something new will come up. I hope that everything is taken into account in the program.

        No one builds castles in a swamp. Or in the sand. The constructor always carries out a CLEAR task, recorded, agreed and approved accordingly. Not having numbers, will not do anything. In the course of work, adjustments are, of course, made, but he will not begin to start work with nothing clear.
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT 3 July 2017 09: 31
          0
          Well, I don’t know, I don’t know how, for me, I just need to improve and increase all the parameters of both the boat and the armament. The depth of immersion, visibility, acoustics, and the weapon, on the contrary, would fly further and more accurately fall, well, etc.
          1. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 3 July 2017 16: 59
            +1
            Quote: RASKAT
            Well, I don’t know, I don’t know how, for me, I just need to improve and increase all the parameters of both the boat and the armament. The depth of immersion, visibility, acoustics, and the weapon, on the contrary, would fly further and more accurately fall, well, etc.

            New parameters are not set from the ceiling or because of the desire to increase, deepen, expand or narrow .... Intelligence reports that a potential adversary has reached some improvements in his iron. This is the beacon to achieve, or surpass, which is necessary in new developments.
  2. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 2 July 2017 11: 04
    0
    The invisible boat is here today and tomorrow there. yes
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 July 2017 11: 21
    +5
    We will eat rumors. Secrecy is growing very quickly in our design institutions. And in the factories soon, too, "tongues will be conceived." Bacchanalia of the 90s is over. The performance characteristics of the key weapons on which the country's security depends will not be laid out for general discussion. Yes, and already many new types of weapons can only be seen in the pictures - TTX are secret wassat and "Husky" is what AUG will be afraid of. Anywhere in the oceans.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 July 2017 14: 00
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Secrecy is growing very quickly in our design institutions.
      This is probably true. But "all" secrecy nests in research institutes and design bureaus, as well as on the know-how level of technologies: IT, nano-, cryogenic, laser, temperature and other modes of processing new materials, powder metallurgy, additive technologies and processes.
      Secrets have gone into the field of high science, software and paradoxical solutions!
      So, the simple hard worker will soon have nothing to tell about at home: the "black boxes" that are ready for use will be assembled, which will be set up by the lobasto-cranial "engineers" from the manufacturer. And this is a global trend.
      IMHO.
  4. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2017 11: 25
    +2
    According to him, "submarines of the fifth generation of the class" Husk "will surpass all indicators of the current boats."

    Especially in the main indicator - stealth, at least twice,

    added the deputy commander of the Myth of Russia.

    In fact, talking about secrecy in a quantitative sense during the period when only an advance project is created is enchanting. No wonder the deputy commander declared this MYTH of Russia

    Replacing the old projects 671 and 971 probably has already matured, especially the first ones, although there are not so many left. The main thing is that it should be mass, not piece. Well, the drawing is a beautiful drawing. True, something torpedo tubes are not visible, HOOK for the entire nose, as many as 26 launchers ...
  5. Chetov Sergey Vladimirovich
    Chetov Sergey Vladimirovich 2 July 2017 11: 42
    0
    Cool! Americans in the greenhouse.
    1. AUL
      AUL 2 July 2017 12: 09
      +2
      Yes, they have already swept a wave of suicides on this basis!
  6. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2017 11: 44
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    We will eat rumors. Secrecy is growing very quickly in our design institutions. And in the factories soon, too, "tongues will be concocted." .

    We will be. But even in Soviet times, information reached us. The truth is sometimes initially distorted. And about secrecy - everything is right here. The main thing is not to overwhelm this secrecy.

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Bacchanalia of the 90s is over. The performance characteristics of the key weapons on which the country's security depends will not be laid out for general discussion.

    And they never gave all the best. It’s just that there are performance characteristics that are physically impossible to hide, they are miscalculated, but there are those that really need to be silent. and so they were silent about the latter in the 90s. How much do we know, for example, about the Perimeter system, about the Horn command missiles, and about the combat control system of the Strategic Missile Forces? Despite the bacchanalia of the 90s

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Yes, and already many new types of weapons can only be seen in the pictures - TTX are secret wassat and "Husky" is what AUG will be afraid of. Anywhere in the oceans.

    Regarding the first, that there are already a number of systems that we can see in the picture, and the performance characteristics are secret. as for the "Husky" - let's wait at least the descent of the first. And then they also said about Lada that there will be a khan from everyone, everyone will be afraid of her. And the result? Until the boat was created, it did not pass the test - to say that they would be afraid of it means to be like those zhurnalyugam who can only make a name for themselves in "exaggerated" sensations
  7. Naughty
    Naughty 2 July 2017 12: 01
    +1
    Will Haska need us in 2025? Here’s the question Well, of course, it would be nice to place them at our military bases in the Atlantic and Indian Ocean. By that time I think there should already be Bases. Paris and LONDON would also be celebrated
    1. AUL
      AUL 2 July 2017 12: 13
      0
      Yes, and in Berlin one more time on tanks it would be necessary In Paris and LONDON would also be noted
      So what is the question? Rent a tank from MO, and go! Diesel fuel at your own expense.
      1. Naughty
        Naughty 2 July 2017 13: 47
        0
        Distort wink
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 July 2017 14: 07
      +1
      Quote: Vzdrincher
      it would be nice to place them at our military bases in the Atlantic and Indian Ocean
      Oh how! Where's the base? Especially in the Indian Ocean! laughing
  8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2017 12: 14
    +1
    Hence the simple conclusion, like a lowing, that the construction of the Severodvinsk (in the sense of Project 885M nuclear submarines) is required to continue.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 2 July 2017 12: 57
      0
      Well, until the next project grows to iron, Ashwood will probably be built. request I think that according to the pace of construction, after 2020, they will decide what to order next - also Yaseni, diesel-electric submarines with VNEU or wait for the Husky project for several years. hi
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2017 14: 23
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        Well, until the next project grows to iron, Ashwood will probably be built.

        So that’s the problem - the series was announced from 7 ash trees, and the Husky will be laid in the 2025th .... In general, a certain number of Ash-trees is highly desirable to see in GPV 2018-25
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 2 July 2017 17: 10
          +1
          HUSKEY IN 2025 WILL NOT BE LAYED EXPRESSLY. I THINK THAT BY THIS TIME EVEN THE PROJECT IS NOT READY TO BE. what Well, about the Ashes. The fact that there were 7 Ash-trees in this order does not mean that as soon as the order is completed after 2020, they will not order another couple - three. request Now there’s no point in vanging. 12 apl are being built at Sevmash, the 13th, Ulyanovsk, will soon be laid. BY THE DEMAND OF THEIR DOWN ON WATER, IT WILL BE VISIBLE WHAT TO ORDER NEXT. In the end, Squids will be replaced by Boreas, but in the 20s Dolphins will also have to be changed. And that means there will be a decision on strategists. That is, it is quite possible to reorder Boreev. hi
  9. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2017 12: 14
    0
    Quote: Pulya
    Due to the fact that a nuclear reactor is visible from satellites (radiation, not only gamma particles, comes from it).

    On the surface - it’s quite possible, although given that after each trip the crew does not go to the cemetery - it’s unlikely that radiation can detect a satellite

    Quote: Pulya
    We already have a satellite that tracks Atomic submarines

    yah? And do not tell me the name?
    1. Pulya
      Pulya 2 July 2017 19: 07
      0
      After all, I have indicated in parentheses that not only ionizing radiation (radiation) is present in NR.
      There is radiation that can be tracked and water (ice) is not a hindrance
      1. xtur
        xtur 31 October 2017 20: 58
        0
        > not only ionizing radiation (radiation) is present in the nuclear reactor.

        it’s necessary, but do atomic scientists know at least?
    2. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 2 July 2017 22: 41
      0
      All satellites.
  10. Observer2014
    Observer2014 2 July 2017 12: 18
    +3
    Vladimirets,
    Fucking you monitor, colleague.
    laughing That's right!
    We always have this: they will punish the innocent, reward the uninvolved ..
    You are a consolation! Brotherly bully

    Oh, I'm afraid we’ll get on the face from the moderators feel Yes, and God with everything. The barn burned. Burn and the hut laughing
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 2 July 2017 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      You are a consolation! Brotherly

      This is changing things! drinks hi
  11. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2017 13: 14
    +2
    Quote: RASKAT
    I wonder what will go into experimental design work? I hope the weapons and equipment of the new generation, too, otherwise it’s sad to build such a beauty and equip Onyxes and Caliber. It's like a Mercedes on wooden wheels. Yes, Zircon is already on its way, but I would like a cruise missile in an inconspicuous and long-range, and then look maybe something new will come up. I hope that everything is taken into account in the program.

    Nobody will tell you what exactly will go into OCD. But in general terms, the whole process is as follows

    After the work on the preliminary project was completed, a decision was to be made on the development of experimental work. If such a decision is made, then the developed draft was submitted to the Military Industrial Commission (or as it is now called there), accompanied by the conclusions of the leading institutes of the corresponding departments of the Ministry of Defense.
    The Military Industrial Commission, when considering the feasibility of starting work on the creation of the system, could create a special commission to participate in which industry and military institutes were involved, as well as the Academy of Sciences.
    After a fundamental decision on the start of development was made, the Military-Industrial Commission prepared the draft necessary for the beginning developers and formulated instructions for ensuring the work.

    When implementing large-scale projects in the course of work, the requirements for the system or the timing of certain stages of the work could change. In this case, a new resolution was adopted introducing the necessary changes to the original plans.
    .
    In general, the course of development work included the following stages:
    1. Development of a preliminary design
    2. Development of a technical project and design documentation
    3. Creation and experimental testing of system components
    4. Joint tests
    5. Production of serial samples
    6. Troop operation of the system.

    At the stage of preliminary design there was a preliminary determination of the configuration of the system, clarification of its composition, development, analysis and selection of technical options, preliminary development of technological support.
    At the stage of technical design and preparation of design documentation took place final definition of the system configuration, a detailed study of all its components and a complete set of working and operational documentation was developed. According to the developed working documentation, the production of prototypes and system components took place, which, if necessary, went through separate tests.

    Based on the test results of the system components, a decision was made to test the entire system. The decision on the readiness of the system for testing, as well as control over their conduct and evaluation of the results were the exclusive responsibility of the specially created State Commission. In some cases, additional state commissions could be created to test individual components of the system. So, for example, when creating strategic missile carriers with new missile systems, a separate commission was created to conduct tests of the submarine.

    The scope of the tests was determined by the decree on the development of the complex. The tests could be carried out in two stages, during the first of which - design tests — the verification of the correctness of the design decisions made in a full-scale experiment was carried out. Based on the results of these tests, a decision could be made about the need to refine and improve the design of the complex. The second stage of the tests was the so-called joint tests, the purpose of which was to verify the compliance of the complex with the specified tactical, technical and operational characteristics and to resolve the issue of adopting the complex into service.

    That's what happened and is happening. Of course, this is only a general algorithm, but you imagine the approximate amount of work. In addition, other "firms" carry out similar work on weapons systems

    Quote: cniza
    A beautiful name and let them guess what it means.

    Ours, as they always give a meaningless name.

    Quote: cniza
    They’ll call them their own way, but they will never understand our teams and negotiations.

    Of course they will. It is always easier for them (like us) in certain situations to pronounce a code designation than to completely name a particular system.
    And about the fact that they cannot understand our teams and our negotiations - it is not always possible to trust Zadornov and other comedians. Americans have a large number of former Soviet and Russian citizens who are well aware of the army "jargon." Therefore, you should not hope that we are so unpredictable in this regard that we “shod everyone”
    1. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn 2 July 2017 16: 10
      0
      Greetings. Vladimir! For a long time I have not read always specific and detailed (in essence) topics! You are right as always - "filter the market of treba" !? "Comrade, be vigilant! The enemy does not sleep - he eavesdrops!" ... and peeps?
    2. Victor Dubovitsky
      Victor Dubovitsky 3 July 2017 16: 54
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: RASKAT
      I wonder what will go into experimental design work? I hope the weapons and equipment of the new generation, too, otherwise it’s sad to build such a beauty and equip Onyxes and Caliber. It's like a Mercedes on wooden wheels. Yes, Zircon is already on its way, but I would like a cruise missile in an inconspicuous and long-range, and then look maybe something new will come up. I hope that everything is taken into account in the program.

      Nobody will tell you what exactly will go into OCD. But in general terms, the whole process is as follows
      After the work on the preliminary project was completed, a decision was to be made on the development of experimental work. If such a decision is made, then the developed draft was submitted to the Military Industrial Commission (or as it is now called there), accompanied by the conclusions of the leading institutes of the corresponding departments of the Ministry of Defense.
      The Military Industrial Commission, when considering the feasibility of starting work on the creation of the system, could create a special commission to participate in which industry and military institutes were involved, as well as the Academy of Sciences.
      After a fundamental decision on the start of development was made, the Military-Industrial Commission prepared the draft necessary for the beginning developers and formulated instructions for ensuring the work.
      When implementing large-scale projects in the course of work, the requirements for the system or the timing of certain stages of the work could change. In this case, a new resolution was adopted introducing the necessary changes to the original plans.
      .
      In general, the course of development work included the following stages:
      1. Development of a preliminary design
      2. Development of a technical project and design documentation
      3. Creation and experimental testing of system components
      4. Joint tests
      5. Production of serial samples
      6. Troop operation of the system.
      At the stage of preliminary design there was a preliminary determination of the configuration of the system, clarification of its composition, development, analysis and selection of technical options, preliminary development of technological support.
      At the stage of technical design and preparation of design documentation took place final definition of the system configuration, a detailed study of all its components and a complete set of working and operational documentation was developed. According to the developed working documentation, the production of prototypes and system components took place, which, if necessary, went through separate tests.
      Based on the test results of the system components, a decision was made to test the entire system. The decision on the readiness of the system for testing, as well as control over their conduct and evaluation of the results were the exclusive responsibility of the specially created State Commission. In some cases, additional state commissions could be created to test individual components of the system. So, for example, when creating strategic missile carriers with new missile systems, a separate commission was created to conduct tests of the submarine.
      The scope of the tests was determined by the decree on the development of the complex. The tests could be carried out in two stages, during the first of which - design tests — the verification of the correctness of the design decisions made in a full-scale experiment was carried out. Based on the results of these tests, a decision could be made about the need to refine and improve the design of the complex. The second stage of the tests was the so-called joint tests, the purpose of which was to verify the compliance of the complex with the specified tactical, technical and operational characteristics and to resolve the issue of adopting the complex into service.
      That's what happened and is happening. Of course, this is only a general algorithm, but you imagine the approximate amount of work. In addition, other "firms" carry out similar work on weapons systems
      Quote: cniza
      A beautiful name and let them guess what it means.

      Ours, as they always give a meaningless name.
      Quote: cniza
      They’ll call them their own way, but they will never understand our teams and negotiations.

      Of course they will. It is always easier for them (like us) in certain situations to pronounce a code designation than to completely name a particular system.
      And about the fact that they cannot understand our teams and our negotiations - it is not always possible to trust Zadornov and other comedians. Americans have a large number of former Soviet and Russian citizens who are well aware of the army "jargon." Therefore, you should not hope that we are so unpredictable in this regard that we “shod everyone”

      Easier to give a link:
      GOST RV 15.301-2003 Product Production System ...
      A more complete and exhaustive list of events is provided there.
  12. max51423
    max51423 2 July 2017 13: 42
    0
    The article does not say the main thing - the price. Now there is a marine salon in St. Petersburg and USC strive to lobby their interests as much as possible. It is no secret that the MoD, while cutting the budget, is reviewing arms purchase orders in the direction of land systems. Already wrote that USC is an extremely inefficient organization, enterprises in its structure have no competitors, and therefore an incentive for development. “Malachite” I suspect was doing the Husky project with the prospect of allocating budget funds. Now everything (Kalina, Husky, etc.) is being set aside for 2018-2025, but if there is no money (and there will not be money, there’s no way to get it), it can be postponed until 2025-2030. And the article deals only with OCD, nothing is skipped about the timing of construction. You can always allocate money for OCD and then freeze the project.
  13. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2017 14: 51
    0
    Quote: max51423
    You can always allocate money for OCD and then freeze the project.

    Easily
  14. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 2 July 2017 15: 13
    +1
    Dear Sirs, Experts! Do you, like Indian blind sages, describe the Elephant (the future appearance of a still non-existent boat)? Ungrateful occupation - fortune-telling on coffee grounds ?! A more accurate description of the future "super - boat" was made almost 200 years ago by J. Verne! It was necessary to read in childhood. so that today you don’t ask stupid questions and do not “flog” nonsense?
  15. mvg
    mvg 2 July 2017 15: 23
    +2
    Quote: Basarev
    Perhaps at least Husk will be compared in low noise with Virginia and Siowulf. And the nickname Roaring Cows really strains. I think so: the main characteristic of a boat is secrecy. Everything should work only for her. Other - according to the residual principle.

    About a cow is a completely different project. https://topwar.ru/60293-mify-ssha-revuschie-korov
    y-sovetskogo-vmf.html But you are right, far from SiWulf and Ash and Borea.
  16. Naughty
    Naughty 2 July 2017 17: 10
    0
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: Vzdrincher
    it would be nice to place them at our military bases in the Atlantic and Indian Ocean
    Oh how! Where's the base? Especially in the Indian Ocean! laughing

    I consider it appropriate along the coast of the Indian Ocean hi
  17. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 2 July 2017 17: 37
    +1
    It's time to show everyone who the boss is there, we are Russian !!!
    1. Mystery12345
      Mystery12345 2 July 2017 19: 14
      0
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      It's time to show everyone who is the boss

      where? what
  18. osoboye_mneniye
    osoboye_mneniye 2 July 2017 20: 25
    +1
    would only have time ... like with the T-34
  19. Old warrior
    Old warrior 3 July 2017 23: 10
    0
    Seven feet under the keel.