How many years will the frigates of the project 22350M build?

The Vice-Admiral Viktor Bursuk, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Navy for armaments, reported that a series of frigates of the modernized 22350M project with a displacement of about 8 thousand tons is planned to be built at the St. Petersburg International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg. This is reported by the portal. Flotprom.

According to Viktor Bursuk, it will be a kind of intermediate link between the frigate and the destroyer.

In total, the Russian Navy is interested in ten warships of this type. Viktor Bursuk said that, with a high degree of probability, the construction of new ships for the Navy fleet will be carried out in two macro-regions of the country - for different fleets. One production will be localized in the Northwest, the other in the Far East. According to the military official, it is possible to involve the Yantar Baltic Shipbuilding Plant in the construction program for frigates of project 22350M.

Against the background of talks about the beginning of work on the construction of a “weighted” version of frigates for the Russian Navy, the issue of completing the construction of 22350 frigates has not yet been resolved. Thus, the head frigate of the series (talking about the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov") was laid over 10 years ago, and during all this time it was built at the Severnaya Verf. In 2010, the ship was launched. The manufacturer claims that the "Admiral Gorshkov" will be completed by the end of this year.

Two other frigates of the same project are expected to be completed in 2018 and 2019. These are the frigates Admiral Kasatonov and Admiral Golovko.

Comments

[210ox]

How are they doing with Redoubt. Did you solve the problems? And the main thing is that it would not drag out like with Perfect and Gren

[siberalt]

It would be better to tell what military victories these admirals glorified the Russian fleet.

[210ox]

Regarding the victories .. Those admirals, who really won big victories at sea, we really have and they have already named ships. By the way, the Amertsians call their ships not the names of admirals, but ordinary officers, koj sergeants distinguished once. These people are few (admirals ), there will be more ships.

[Alexey-74]

They have a short story .....

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: siberalt

It would be better to tell what military victories did these admirals glorify the Russian fleet

How did Golovko not please you? SF under his leadership worked very well

[RASKAT]

The project is excellent, is there any sense in increasing it to 8000? What do they want to put in there? 32 rockets or what? Let's see when the Zircon goes into service and what it will be like in the first place in terms of mass and size. There are many rumors about its dimensions, but most agree that the rocket will be much heavier than Onyx, somewhere like Granite, it’s possible and heavier. If this turns out to be true, then everything converges, for ammunition in 16 heavy missiles need more space and displacement. I would like to remind you that the 1164 Atlant missile cruiser with 16 missiles has 11000 displacement.
Did Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk say anything about the 23560 Leader? Or is an article about this being written?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

How many years will the frigates of the project 22350M build?

I don’t know this, but the aircraft carrier, as he (Bursuk) declared, is 7 years old ...

[Rokossovsky]

Quote: RASKAT

Great project

Aha
Without Redoubt and with an amazing range of sailing in 4000 miles!
And yes, great!
Nice...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: RASKAT

The project is excellent, is there any sense in increasing it to 8000 tons

There is. At 4500 tons of standard it is clearly crowded.

Quote: RASKAT

Let's see when the Zircon goes into service and what it will be like in the first place in terms of mass and size. There are many rumors about its dimensions, but most agree that the rocket will be much heavier than Onyx, somewhere like Granite, it’s possible and heavier

According to my information (open sources) - will not. Those. and Zircon and Caliber and Onyx can be launched from UKKS

Quote: RASKAT

I would like to recall that the 1164 Atlant missile cruiser with 16 missiles has 11000 tons of displacement.

So he has S-300F 64 missiles with a "bosom" "Wave" :)))

Quote: RASKAT

Did Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk say nothing about the 23560 Leader?

Recently they wrote that the Ministry of Defense adopted the technical design. But if the rumors about him are true - this is not a destroyer, but the RKR, which occupies an intermediate position between Glory and Peter the Great.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from rudolf

For a frigate, 4-5 thousand tons is enough, unless you try to pull the oceanic destination zone onto it.

22350 - an attempt to make a destroyer in the displacement of a frigate.

Quote from rudolf

The 22350M is actually a destroyer, not a frigate.

But I argue?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Good day to you too! And the evening!

Quote from rudolf

It’s impossible to make a destroyer out of a frigate

Vootoot, so no need to try. But this is a classic mistake of the resurgent fleet - to make a small boat cheaper at the cost of weapons but like Star Destroyer. Then comes the understanding that, as the British say, if on a ship capable of carrying 8 guns put 10, then 6 will shoot, but that will come later. And now it seems to me that this bright “sweat” for our Navy has finally come. From this and rejoice :))))

[Roman 11]

Quote: RASKAT

Did Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk say anything about the 23560 Leader? Or is an article about this being written?

Viktor Bursuk himself seems to be confused about what is being built and what will be lowered. Now someone’s lightning flashed about the heavy frigates 2235. Now they will probably begin to build them intensely, unless of course they come up with a frigate harder ..... 50 thousand
I’m wondering who in the Navy was so "smart" hesitant? Not grandson Is Rogozin? The kids from this dynasty are very fighting - and they storm in glasses

And Gorshkov must be completed ..... before decommissioning, in 40-50 years

[MPK105]

How many years will the frigates of the project 22350M build?
Oooooooooooooooo ..................................
..... This is my favorite topic, Danke Shyon, the moderators, that time after time on the pee ... Krasauchegi-found a sore spot with me, respect ... I hope modestly that during my lifetime these grandiose plans will be realized ...

[Rokossovsky]

Quote: MPK105

I hope modestly that during my lifetime these grandiose plans will be realized ...

Long life to you, dear IPC105!

[NUR]

Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream, the main thing is that dreams come true.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: NUR

Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream, the main thing is that dreams come true.

is it a toast?

[NUR]

Yes, we, too, ship-boats for the Caspian are building poachers to chase.

[iliitchitch]

"macroregion" - yes this is a new word. We have the Krasnoyarsk Territory as 3 (or 4?) Europe, and now what? I’m telling you exactly - this is a macro-region, they just didn’t know before that.
"something between a frigate and a destroyer." Yes rivet already flying Dutch. How many rams in our wonderful country.

[aszzz888]

... things are going on, but with a big rattle ... I would like like "hot cakes", but apparently the construction of ships is a serious matter ... anyway, we are waiting for a series ...

[wowka]

Quote: aszzz888

but apparently the construction of ships is a serious matter ...

serious apparently for just one country. for the rest it's hot cakes

[An60]

Quote: Wowka

Quote: aszzz888

but apparently the construction of ships is a serious matter ...

serious apparently for just one country. for the rest it's hot cakes

So this is about Ukraine !!!

[wowka]

Quote: An60

aszzz888
I would like like "hot cakes", but apparently the construction of ships is a serious matter ..
still waiting for the series ...

Apparently it was said about Russian shipbuilding
But in Ukraine, things are no better either: the ships are unfinished, everything happens very slowly. So, judging by everything, “building ships is a serious matter” for both countries, these are not “hot cakes”

[RED PARTISAN]

A frigate with a displacement of 8 ct? Yes, this is the destroyer already! In terms of its capabilities, the ship will be comparable with the British destroyers Type 45 Dering, but it will still be inferior in terms of fire power to the Orly Burke and the Chinese Type 55. If you decide to compete with other superpowers, then you must comply with this status in everything.
It is already necessary to begin the construction of destroyers of the project 23560 "Leader", and not to complain about the chronic lack of money in the budget. The USSR launched a man into space 16 years after the terrible war, created an atomic bomb after only four years. Why could our ancestors, but we not? Just do not talk about sanctions, the depreciation of the ruble and other garbage. Ships and submarines are built entirely from domestic components, on our element base, so the price of them and the complexity of manufacturing have not changed. If the problem is constant theft, then it's time to put saboteurs to the wall, and not face a fine !!!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: RED PARTISAN

In terms of its capabilities, the ship will be comparable with the British destroyers Type 45 Dering, but it will still be inferior in terms of fire power to the Orly Burke and the Chinese Type 55.

These are different ships. “Daring”, by the way, is now considered the best airman of the world :) And Burke, in addition to the air defense function and the arsenal ship for the Tomahawks, does not really know how. There are no shock capabilities, PLO is frankly weak.
Well, the Chinese 55 are already missile cruisers.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: RED PARTISAN

Why could our ancestors, but we not?

so ... steal!

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: RED PARTISAN

A frigate with a displacement of 8 ct? Yes, this is the destroyer already! In terms of its capabilities, the ship will be comparable with the British destroyers Type 45 Dering, but it will still be inferior in terms of fire power to the Orly Burke and the Chinese Type 55. If you decide to compete with other superpowers, then you must comply with this status in everything.
It is already necessary to begin the construction of destroyers of the project 23560 "Leader", and not to complain about the chronic lack of money in the budget. The USSR launched a man into space 16 years after the terrible war, created an atomic bomb after only four years. Why could our ancestors, but we not? Just do not talk about sanctions, the depreciation of the ruble and other garbage. Ships and submarines are built entirely from domestic components, on our element base, so the price of them and the complexity of manufacturing have not changed. If the problem is constant theft, then it's time to put saboteurs to the wall, and not face a fine !!!

Our ancestors built it all at the cost of their own lives, which they almost did not live. Salaries on collective farms are 26 kopecks per workday. Pension - 8 rubles. Lack of passports, which meant serfdom. Even if you agree to such a "life", it is not a fact that everyone will be consonant.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

Our ancestors built it all at the cost of their own lives, which they almost did not live. Salaries on collective farms are 26 kopecks per workday. Pension - 8 rubles

What planet is this?
1980, the Navy of the USSR at the peak of power. Submarines of the Pike type were built in a year and a half. The average salary is 155 rubles; pension is about 60; on collective farms, 34 rubles.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The average salary is 155 rubles

This is still without public consumption funds and various subsidies allowing the metro to travel for 5 kopecks., Etc.
When recalculating everything at market prices, the average Soviet salary flies for 70 thousand current rubles.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Odyssey

It is still without public consumption funds

Truly so!

[Roman 11]

Quote: RED PARTISAN

Why could our ancestors, but we not? Just do not talk about sanctions, the depreciation of the ruble and other garbage.

And what is the fleet being built from, not from this garbage?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: RED PARTISAN

It is already necessary to begin the construction of destroyers of the project 23560 "Leader", and not to complain about the chronic lack of money in the budget.

but our oligarchophs have the largest yachts, instead of destroyers and cruisers.
alisherchik

rhombram

bugs

Sechkina

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Deputy Admiral Viktor Bursuk, Commander-in-Chief of the Navy for Armaments, during the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg, announced that it is planned to build a series of frigates of the modernized project 22350M with a displacement of about 8 thousand tons. It is reported by the portal FlotProm.

YES!!!!! This is the very ship that our fleet needs so much. Large enough for ocean trips, not overloaded with weapons, relatively cheap for a large series.
I'm happy

[ProkletyiPirat]

but I’m disappointed, they again step on the same rake, where are the engines for the ship? Will they be produced in quantities of more than 10 pieces per year? (mass production), no? once again a piece engine every 5 years? Well, why should the manufacturer take a steam bath with him? let the sailors suffer with not worked dviglom ....

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

but I’m disappointed, they again step on the same rake, where are the engines for the ship?

Well, the chassis will be on those units that are now being mastered by production in the Russian Federation. In any case, they are needed - at least build ordinary frigates, at least 22350M. It is clear that now our shipbuilding program will be strictly limited by the possibility of producing engines. But what other options are there? Close engine production and give up on the fleet? Set exclusively AEU?

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Well, the chassis will be on those units that are now being mastered by production in the Russian Federation

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Close engine production and give up on the fleet? Set exclusively AEU?

You misunderstand the term "master in production", letting out a couple of engines is not mastering, you can master in production only what is MASSED i.e. at least tens and hundreds per year, and so for many years. Mass production can be obtained in different ways, firstly massively ordering ships of one project, the Navy instead orders 6 different projects (this is from 2000), and even only a few (the Navy has no money), and secondly, you can unify the engines with similar ships (the Navy does not do this), and thirdly, the best option is to switch to a “scalable hybrid propulsion system”, for example, on the basis of a hydraulic or electromagnetic transmission so that 2-4 pieces of generator modules are put on small ships, on destroyer destroyers 10 -15pcs and on aircraft carriers-UDC-BDK 20-30pcs (the numbers indicated are the minimum in fact, can reach up to 100pcs). To do this is real, and much easier than developing gas turbine engines (but again, the Navy-VPK does not!).
And this problem has a completely objective reason, yes there are excellent specialists in scientific, industrial, military-practical, economic, etc, analyzes, but there is no organization (and therefore specialists) in conceptual and technical analysis, and therefore all other types of analysis work in disagreement, like in a fable about a swan, cancer and pike

Who is to blame for them, who is right, is not for us to judge;
Yes, it's still there now.

[Rokossovsky]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

YES!!!!! This is the very ship that our fleet needs so much. Large enough for ocean trips, not overloaded with weapons, relatively cheap for a large series.
I'm happy

Good day, Andrey!
If this is subtle irony, then five points!
I especially liked the "relatively cheap"! In the realities of our military shipbuilding, this is even evil irony!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Rokossovsky

If this is subtle irony, then five points!

Absolutely not. When I wrote the cycle “The program of shipbuilding of the Russian Navy or a very bad feeling”, we in discussions just came to the conclusion that instead of trying to build frigates in measuring corvettes (20380-20386) and ehmsmins in measuring frigates (22350) it would be much better to make a series of ocean-going ships of not very large displacement (of the order of 7-8 thousand tons) with the Gorshkov nomenclature of weapons (well, either calm or S-300FM. there is no redoubt yet). You see, the case itself costs very little, and if you don’t try to squeeze the power and equipment into scanty weights, they would have come out cheaper
It is like a laptop and a computer. It is clear that a laptop is more compact than a hospital, but - more complicated, more expensive and weaker. So, 22350 is a laptop.

[Rokossovsky]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Absolutely not. When I wrote the cycle "The program of shipbuilding of the Russian Navy or a very bad feeling", we in discussions just came to the conclusion that instead of trying to build frigates in measuring corvettes (20380-20386) and ehmsmins in measuring frigates (22350) it would be much better make a series of ocean-going ships of not very large displacement (of the order of 7-8 thousand tons) with the Gorshkov armament range (well, either calm or C-300FM. while there is no redoubt)

I think the nomenclature of the Gorshkov’s weapons in the 7-8 thousand tons is still not enough ... It’s quite realistic to stick twice as much into this displacement.
Well, of course, acceptable range characteristics are needed. At least up to 5 thousand miles increase. And ideally, to the indicators of the same Burke ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Rokossovsky

I think the nomenclature of the Gorshkov’s weapons in the 7-8 thousand tons is still not enough ... It’s quite realistic to stick twice as much into this displacement.

Nuuuu, I’ve talked about NOMENCLATURE, and not about quantity :))) And about quantity I would say so - 24 UKKS and 64 "Reduta" or 64 calm or 48 S-zoo FM + a pair of Shell + Package + hangar on a gravitap. .. that is pepelats
Well and range - yes, no less than 5 000 miles

[Rokossovsky]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Nuuuu, I’ve talked about NOMENCLATURE, and not about quantity :))) And about quantity I would say so - 24 UKKS and 64 "Reduta" or 64 calm or 48 S-zoo FM + a pair of Shell + Package + hangar on a gravitap. .. that is pepelats
Well and range - yes, no less than 5 000 miles

Sorry, of course the quantity!
At 7 thousand tons, in my opinion 24 UKKS is the minimum. Ideally 36
Shell-M seems to have gone into the series, judging by the news from MVMS2017. I think a good thing!
I wanted to take a look in person, but did not grow together ...
Calm - yesterday, no matter how reliable it is. Although there are some doubts about the reliability, in connection with the surrender of the 11356 admiral Makarov. They say there were some overlays during the tests.
The rest I agree.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Rokossovsky

At 7 thousand tons, in my opinion 24 UKKS is the minimum. Ideally 36

Hardly. We have a completely balanced project 21956 had 16 UKKS + 48 S-300FM, but it has a total displacement of 9000 tons

Quote: Rokossovsky

Shell-M seems to have gone into the series, judging by the news from MVMS2017. I think a good thing!

I have doubts. In the past, the Shell did not show good results, i.e. the missiles flew where they needed to, but the gunshot didn’t work well, there was even a video where his guns couldn’t hit a primitive drone ...
But! A lot of time has passed since then. It could well finish. And to be honest, I have hope that they’ve finished it off, because in an “unfinished” state the Shell went to air defense, but the fleet could easily send an idle product to a known address (the fleet does not accept idle systems, this is a huge plus - here are Lada , and Polyment Redoubt and so on) It would be much worse if they said "Urya" and took scrap ... And again - generally speaking, the design bureau that made the shell is very serious guys., there is no comparison with the developers of Redut ...
In general, I am almost sure that with the Shell in the marine version everything is fine.

Quote: Rokossovsky

Calm - yesterday, no matter how reliable it is. Although there are some doubts about the reliability, in connection with the surrender of the 11356 admiral Makarov. They say there were some overlays during the tests.

Eeeee, worthy sir, allow a few words on this subject.
The fact is that “Calm” is an air defense system in which missiles have a semi-active seeker and require a specialized radar to illuminate the target. It is not that semi-active GOS are completely out of date, but missiles with active GOS still have a preference as more promising. So "Calm" with its semi-active works like a clock :)))
However, the developers do not sit still. And for "Calm" created new missiles, already with an active seeker, In essence, this brings the air defense system "Calm" to a whole new level
So here. The delay with Makarov is associated with testing the latest missiles with AGSN :))))) And this is today :))))

[Roman 11]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

This is the very ship that our fleet needs so much.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I'm happy

With a redoubt machine gun?

Your limited happiness. Will it be completed at all? Only without sorcerers. It seems that it is unlikely.

And what kind of project will it be and if it was not increased because of air defense, well, put the S-300 there, instead of a redoubt. Perhaps the approach was changed, ships for weapons, and not weapons for ships?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Novel 11

With a redoubt machine gun?

Until they finish - Calm or S-300FM

Quote: Novel 11

Will it be completed at all? Only without sorcerers. It seems that it is unlikely.

Nothing is impossible there.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: RED PARTISAN

A frigate with a displacement of 8 ct? Yes, this is the destroyer already! In terms of its capabilities, the ship will be comparable with the British destroyers Type 45 Dering, but it will still be inferior in terms of fire power to the Orly Burke and the Chinese Type 55. If you decide to compete with other superpowers, then you must comply with this status in everything.
It is already necessary to begin the construction of destroyers of the project 23560 "Leader", and not to complain about the chronic lack of money in the budget. The USSR launched a man into space 16 years after the terrible war, created an atomic bomb after only four years. Why could our ancestors, but we not? Just do not talk about sanctions, the depreciation of the ruble and other garbage. Ships and submarines are built entirely from domestic components, on our element base, so the price of them and the complexity of manufacturing have not changed. If the problem is constant theft, then it's time to put saboteurs to the wall, and not face a fine !!!

The problem is that the current State Duma will never accept amendments to anti-corruption legislation that would not allow such money to be hidden by attributing it to relatives (wives, children, etc.). 1 \ 3 deputies of Goduma fictitiously divorced their spouses in order to hide their illegal income! Such deputies work for their foreign accounts, and not for their country! And you are talking about some miserable fines, but they are already surrendering the country today to the full program to Uncle Sam!

[Roman 11]

Quote: Vlad5307

Yes, they are surrendering the country today to the full program to Uncle Sam!

And when did the Union collapse? look at the calendar? good afternoon

[Balferov]

How many years will the frigates of the project 22350M build?

Well, how much, how much ... well, if one is more than 10 years old, then the number of ships in the series is multiplied by 10 years - that's how much!
What do you think? saw, shura, saw ...

[Alexey-74]

Build of course .... we will only be FOR !!! And try not to delay !!!

[Hitrovan07]

God forbid.
Diluted "menagerie" of projects.
Soon for each admiral there will be a separate project of the ships.
How to repair a plaque fly?

[Music]

In this case, in the next five years nothing will happen. A small Il-112 plane was supposed to be launched on its first flight in June. Aw! It has been built for at least a year.