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Strategic partnership of Russia and China is paused?

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Few days remained before the visit to Russia of the President of the PRC Xi Jinping. Usually on this occasion, the media are full of reports about achievements in Russian-Chinese cooperation, they write about new documents and projects prepared. This time, there is an obvious lull in the media space. As if someone’s strong hand had put the Chinese theme on pause. There is an obvious reason for this.


Strategic partnership of Russia and China is paused?


Mar-a-Lago effect

It must be admitted that lately, Beijing has demonstrated more strategic partnership with Russia with rhetoric than with actions. For example, the widely publicized projects for the supply of Russian pipeline gas to China are frankly stalling. In particular, the Altai route “The Power of Siberia-2” has not yet agreed on the price of gas and the conditions for the construction of the pipeline.

The same uncertainty prevails in the system of financial relationships. The promised crediting of Russian banks from China’s resources did not receive due development here. In the conditions of restricting Russia's access to Western financial markets, Moscow very much hoped for the support of Beijing. They even agreed to borrow in yuan.

The Chinese seem to have met, but offered bonds that circulate exclusively in the domestic market of China. To withdraw these funds, or even part of them, abroad is possible only with a special permit, which must be requested every time. In other words, instead of helping Russia fell into dependence on China’s intentions. Moscow rejected this option.

The investment proposals of strategic partners from Beijing can also be evaluated approximately. Numerous documents signed during meetings and visits are, for the most part, of a framework character and rather far from concrete. To fill it with existing contracts, it takes years of coordination, meetings and negotiations.

Against this viscous background of the “strategic partnership”, Beijing’s rapprochement with Washington looks unusually fast. Publicly it began in Florida. Here, in his personal residence of Mar-a-Lago, the American President Donald Trump invited the Chinese leader Xi Jinping to a confidential meeting.

During a joint dinner, an event happened that was later relieved by the world media for a long time and in detail. Trump informed the Chinese guest that, on his orders, the US Navy had launched a missile attack on a government airbase in Syria at that moment. Objective experts considered the act of the American president "diplomatic rudeness."

Xi Jinping, in fact, according to eyewitnesses, froze for a few minutes in thought from an unexpected message. Then he mastered himself, and the meeting went on its own, as if there had been no unpleasant incident. Many considered this a natural restraint inherent in the Chinese leader. Time has shown that there were stronger reasons for C to endure Trump’s humiliating trick.

Apparently, the Chairman of the People's Republic of China, during his visit and preparation for it, received from the US President an offer he could not refuse. In the official report on the negotiations in Mar-a-Lago, it was spelled out rather vaguely: "The parties signed numerous documents expanding cooperation between states and lifting restrictions on a number of conflicting areas." A couple of weeks later, the media gave a different assessment of the meaning of this press release. It came to them that the United States and China were united in the Big Two (G2) against the rest of the world.

How China found its interest overseas

At first, this news seemed incredible. After all, not so long ago, Donald Trump called for the containment of Beijing, accused him that China “sucks America out of work and is getting rich for it”, destroys the United States by devaluing the yuan, and builds various other schemes. And after all this, Trump C offers not just cooperation, but the most that there is an exclusive “strategic partnership”.

At the meeting in Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump and Xi Jinping adopted the so-called 100-day action plan, and it began to be implemented fairly quickly. Already in May, an agreement was reached on bilateral agricultural trade. China lifted the existing 13 years of restrictions on the import of American beef, in return received the right to export to the US ready-to-eat poultry meat.

Among other things, Beijing opened access to American exporters to the Chinese market for GMOs, liquefied natural gas, oil, and banking services. Moreover, the leading US financial corporations City Bank and JPMorgan received special preferences in China. Perhaps this is why the US Treasury published a statement of the achieved US-China agreements.

Honey Honeymoon continued in June. In the middle of the month, representatives of 30 of the largest think tanks met in New York to, as Regnum news agency wrote, to discuss not only a program of economic cooperation, but also issues of global economic governance. In their reports, this topic was developed by influential representatives of politics, business, and the public.

They included Tung Chihwa, Vice-President of the National Committee of the People’s Political Consultative Council of China, Zhao Kyjzhen, former head of the Information Council of the State Council of China, Kevin Rudd, President of the Asia Society Policy Institute, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and Chinese Ambassador to the United States Cui Tiankai . Newspapers cite the message that Tsui gave to this meeting: “The PRC and the United States must work together so that the rest of the countries make the right choice. This will show the new path to the whole world. ” In it, as you can see, the conspiracy about G2 has gained real shape of official recognition.

Shortly after the meeting in New York, Ford announced the transfer of Focus models from Mexico to China. This topic is hot for America. More recently, Donald Trump threw thunder and lightning at Ford, so that the automaker refused in favor of the United States from building its facilities in Mexico. Now the plant will go to China.

Experts recognize that this is a political decision, since the cost of labor in China is now higher than in Mexico. It turns out that there are no economic reasons for the transfer of construction. There is only one meaning in the concession by the Americans Ford to China - to make a gift to Beijing, to show its attitude towards partnership with it.

In the third decade of June, “stodnevka” moved to Washington. The first US-Chinese dialogue on diplomacy and security issues took place here. The Trump administration was represented at the meeting by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Secretary of Defense James Mattis. Beijing the status of their envoys raised above the ministerial. They were Yang Jiechi, a state councilor of the PRC, and a member of the central military commission, General Fang Fenghui.

They discussed the situation around the Korean Peninsula, the South China Sea and other hotbeds of crises complicating bilateral relations. According to the plan, the meeting in Washington was supposed to protect the superpowers from the conflict and strengthen their strategic partnership, as if closing the circle of common tasks of G2. Out of habit, the Americans saw their interlocutors led in a pair. The Chinese balked. They felt Washington’s claim to their sphere of influence and spoke of a balance between powers and centers of power.

So far this balance has not been established. However, there are such intentions. They were reflected in other US-China negotiation platforms, the number of which is now only multiplying. Experts assess the prospects of these contacts in different ways. Some of them predict success, given the close economic ties between the two countries and their mutual dependence. (That only costs a trillion dollars placed by Beijing in the US treasury bills!) Others recall that at the time of the 2008-2009 financial crisis, the then leaders of China and the United States Hu Jintao and Barack Obama started a strategic and economic dialogue between the countries.

They then talked about a multi-faceted and mutually beneficial cooperation, about a healthy and stable development of bilateral relations. It ended with the Americans creating regional cooperation organizations that separated themselves from Beijing. China, in turn, focused on projects in the near territorial zone, like the “New Silk Road”.

How will this time? It is obvious that there is a serious mutual interest between China and the United States. This is confirmed by the unusual convergence for Beijing, which he demonstrates after the meeting in Mar-a-Lago. Against the background of many years of Russian-Chinese negotiations, the pace of progress is impressive. There are signs that the vector of China's strategic interests is increasingly shifting across the ocean.

As for Russia, some experts again recall the well-known opinion of Emperor Alexander III about our partners and loyal allies. The authorities in the estimates are more restrained. In May, speaking in Beijing at the One Belt and One Way Forum, Vladimir Putin said that they were waiting for Xi Jinping in Russia. Putin noted: "Our government, the presidential administration of the Russian Federation, the office of the CPC Central Committee are preparing a whole package of good documents, including an action plan for the implementation of our strategic initiatives for the coming years."
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  1. NUR
    NUR 30 June 2017 06: 11
    +14
    In the 21st century, all partners, everyone looks where it is profitable for him, everyone will balance depending on the situation.
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 30 June 2017 07: 14
      +22
      Quote: NUR
      In the 21st century, all partners, everyone looks where it is profitable for him, everyone will balance depending on the situation.


      Only with us it’s not profitable for anyone - no money, no technology ....

      And only two allies - the Army and the Navy!
      1. NUR
        NUR 30 June 2017 07: 24
        +6
        So support your allies, and you will find partners yourself.
      2. Vz.58
        Vz.58 30 June 2017 12: 11
        +12
        Nonsense! Both the Army and the Navy are necessary organizations, but not allies! Teachers, doctors, scientists, farmers, workers are not allies? Is the country's population not allies? And pensioners, so are they generally enemies? Sick? Single mothers? Children in shelters, prisoners? Not allies? In a bad mood, you live or don’t know the country in which you live.
        In short! Quote fake fakes not good for homo sapiens sapiens
        1. Glen-99
          Glen-99 4 July 2017 18: 23
          +1
          If the bride goes to another, then it is not known who is lucky.
      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 30 June 2017 15: 33
        +6
        Quote: Titsen
        Only with us it’s not profitable for anyone - no money, no technology ....

        And who's stopping you from developing technology and making money? request
        The Chinese were once an empire, but then they became almost a banana country, but instead of scattering forces and resources to “create appearance” - it’s just stubborn plowed. And as a result - today they are almost a superpower, they have earned it work and perseverance.
        Damn, you have a breakthrough of the territory, tens of millions of hands and heads, a giant scientific backlog and the entire periodic table under your feet - greenhouse conditions! stop
        We with such starting positions would have already colonized Mars for a long time! am
        1. Dr. FuManchu
          Dr. FuManchu 30 June 2017 23: 49
          +2
          LABOR AND perseverance? Or maybe it's still not the point? The Chinese are essentially the same Ukrainians — don’t help how much they don’t help; one figs will then try to stick a knife in the back. I remind you that in 1979, Deng Xiao Ping betrayed both Maosocialism and socialist camp and lay under the USA
          During a visit to the United States, Dan gave an interview published in Time magazine, the Chinese leader bluntly stated that the United States and China should begin to act as a united front against hegemony, "ie, in Chinese terminology, against the USSR. In the joint final communiqué of Carter and Deng Xiaoping, this idea, in essence, also found its reflection. During his stay in Washington, Dan said that China was about to “teach a lesson” to Vietnam.
          So everything is quite expected, the Chinese are waiting no less than amers while we wither away, because they understand that we are able to die out of their Chinese in 25 minutes, so the Chinese are still traders, I think the degree of cynicism will be even better than the Anglo-Saxon trader
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 30 June 2017 23: 54
            0
            A possible option, but this is not an excuse to do nothing.
          2. Lycan
            Lycan 3 July 2017 11: 13
            0
            What you have said does not negate the effectiveness of “Labor and Perseverance,” the only thing that I consider necessary to add is “With competent management, the prevention of corruption, and the opportunity to earn decent money.”
          3. Krabik
            Krabik 4 July 2017 13: 14
            0
            Then it makes no sense to lead the "Power of Siberia" to China and sell them wood and other resources.

            Introduce barrage duties and prohibit mail from importing Chinese goods at the expense of the state. the budget.

            But if we give everything to them and do not demand anything, then why should China come to an agreement with us if everything is so good ?!
        2. Bert
          Bert 1 July 2017 03: 58
          0
          About stubbornly plowed What a stupid thing. They used to plow hard every family smelted steel. And not only but up to 80 they were a banana country. Dan came and China blossomed. We must plow wisely. If we had, as in China, for embezzlement of bribes, we would now be a flourishing power and our neighbors would break. Poroshenko would beg to become the Ukrainian region of Russia.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 1 July 2017 13: 10
            0
            Quote: Bert
            If we had ...

            If my grandmother had eggs ... fellow
            I’m not an auditor. No.
            I don’t need to convince me - I do not influence your situation.
            I am simply stating a fact, and what to do with it and how to live with these is your business and your responsibility. request
          2. seal78
            seal78 2 July 2017 07: 17
            0
            Aha. Dan came and sold China to the Americans. They swelled billions of dollars to China, and also placed production there, as in China there was a very cheap rabsila. That's all the "economic miracle." Then, China bought pennies for Soviet inventions for a penny, which no one needed in the collapsed USSR, and began to implement essentially stolen ideas. Without these ideas and American money, China is nothing.
        3. Krabik
          Krabik 4 July 2017 13: 10
          0
          And Us Rat

          Trotsky chose a world revolution instead of flying to Mars.

          If you had such greenhouse conditions, they would have simply begun genocide of the population on the whole planet ...
        4. Glen-99
          Glen-99 4 July 2017 18: 26
          0
          We plowed said a fly, sitting on the scruff of a horse.
      4. Talgat
        Talgat 7 July 2017 15: 09
        0
        Quote: Titsen
        Only with us it’s not profitable for anyone - no money, no technology ....
        And only two allies - the Army and the Navy!


        It is not true. In fact, Russia is unique in that. that having a small population and a small economy incomparable with either Europe or China or even the United States - Russia has

        1) nuclear weapons - and all the consequences ...

        2) about 300 mln zone of the post-Soviet space, including the Russian Federation itself - where the population has both memory and many who have nostalgia for the Union. At least the TV of the Russian Federation works for this entire audience and this is essentially the Russian world whether we want it or not

        3) Russia will never release Central Asia, and especially Kazakhstan, neither to China nor to the Islamic world - whether we like it or not - it's just a reality. Integration is not just a whim and initiative of Nazarbayev. Now the GDP itself has taken up this. Look what they are doing with Kyrgyzstan. We are not going anywhere from reality
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 7 July 2017 15: 11
          0
          That is, the Russian Federation has no non-allies - it’s right to call it integration potential - in the person of Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, all of Central Asia, etc.
          And plus a real ally in the person of China and its 10 Bolivarian countries + Iran

          Without China, the United States would really have long ago pressed the Russian Federation for childish and the entire EAC integration in FIG would have stopped
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 30 June 2017 07: 25
      +25
      The Altai route will cause irreparable harm to the ancient temples of ancient civilization. The Chinese are just as indifferent as our bourgeois gas pumps. Gorny Altai should have long been declared a world archaeological reserve, and not a bunch of visiting gamblers in the "game zone". Let roulettes spin in Moscow and Sochi, and not in Altai.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 June 2017 07: 51
        +7
        Quote: siberalt
        Altai route will cause irreparable harm to the ancient temples of ancient civilization

        What did you hear like that about Khimki forest
        For example, the widely advertised projects for the supply of Russian pipeline gas to China openly stall. In particular, the price of gas and the conditions for the construction of the pipeline have not yet been agreed along the Power of Siberia-2 route along the Altai route.
        I did not read further. The author concludes that if everything is wonderful, then every day they should talk about it on TV. A bunch of links on the Internet go and see. For whom he wrote I do not know
        1. Michael_59
          Michael_59 30 June 2017 11: 05
          +4
          My friend, the lower-level manager in the "national treasure", complains that financing of operating expenses was cut off - everything goes to the "power of Siberia" ...
      2. marshes
        marshes 30 June 2017 12: 35
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        The Altai route will cause irreparable harm to the ancient temples of ancient civilization. The Chinese are just as indifferent as our bourgeois gas pumps. Mountain Altai should be declared a world archaeological reserve for a long time

        By the way, the Chinese took this into account, but they agree to route the pipe through Kazakhstan, but it is not profitable for Russia, the country appears transiter. And so through us there are already three pipes with gas and one with oil.
        Quote: siberalt
        and not a bunch of visiting gamblers in the "gaming zone". Let roulettes spin in Moscow and Sochi, and not in Altai.

        Most of the Chinese are in the casinos of the border zones with China, and they and the Koreans are very gamblers. And they leave all their earnings in the casinos. It’s another matter that the casino doesn’t get a penny into the local budget.
        And so it would be nice to support the indigenous Altai people, to leave them the right to open a casino, as the Indians have the right in North America.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 1 July 2017 07: 48
          +2
          But why did they decide that China is interested in a poor and cold Russia?
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 4 July 2017 13: 20
            0
            She and nafig they do not need, except for resources.

            Actually, this is what they do, take resources as far as possible and deliver goods to us without any alliances and contracts.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2017 16: 34
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          By the way, the Chinese took this into account, but they agree to route the pipe through Kazakhstan, but it is not profitable for Russia, the country appears transiter. And so through us there are already three pipes with gas and one with oil.

          After what happened in Ukraine, now probably there will be no transit pipelines at all if this is physically impossible. Kazakhstan has rather vague prospects. Who will be after Nazarbayev and what kind of relationship will be a big question.
          Quote: marshes
          And so it would be nice to support the indigenous Altai people, to leave them the right to open a casino, as the Indians have the right in North America.

          And we do not consider them as second-class people. Therefore, all on a common basis. smile
    3. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 2 July 2017 15: 51
      0
      Hmm, interesting article. G2 solution is quite logical, taking into account the potentials. Claims of the states on absolute domination brings China closer to the Russian Federation. having moderated their appetites, having promised half the world to China, the Amerts kill several birds with one stone: they raise the economy, move away from an unpleasant confrontation, are able to trample the Russian Federation, etc. The question is: have states put off their leadership claims for long? Perhaps China expects to mitigate this risk with bonuses from the division of the globe. the risk of blocking gas supplies from the sea due to deposits in Siberia .. what
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 4 July 2017 13: 23
        0
        The United States and so world leaders and the only superpower.

        By such treaties, the US weakens its competitors in the face of the Russian Federation and China by inserting sticks between them.

        Then they will throw and lower both and will be absolutely right!
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 30 June 2017 06: 14
    +18
    Good article, interesting.

    China just does what it does profitably. And the United States is more interesting to him than Russia, because cooperation with them gives more money.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 30 June 2017 07: 42
      +26
      And what does China have to do with it? The pipe through Altai is transit. No gas is produced in Altai. Natural gas was brought to Barnaul and Biysk. Reaching gas to suburban residents costs around 200 thousand wooden. Other cities use propane from Kazakhstan, the one in cylinders. In rural areas, gas is known firsthand. Almost all boiler houses operate either on coal or fuel oil. In China, they will work on Russian gas. Those who should solve the problem of gasification of our cities and regions, China or the Russian authorities?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 30 June 2017 10: 59
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        А what does it have to do with it China?


        Article about CHINA! yes
  3. You Vlad
    You Vlad 30 June 2017 06: 16
    +4
    Every step towards China is given by the incredible efforts and resistance of our pro-American liberal elites! So now what to fill the pause with before Xi Jinping’s visit to Moscow? Of course, by the fact that China has switched to the US side, it’s clear that it will soon substitute wink
  4. smart ass
    smart ass 30 June 2017 06: 31
    +11
    I have always been of the opinion that the only country that Russia needs to fear is China.
    1. Samy
      Samy 30 June 2017 07: 30
      +11
      Really, wise guy. Despite the fact that China has never attacked Russia, but the Russian troops, I recall. took Beijing twice. Neither the States nor NATO need to be afraid. And the Japanese were so polite in the Far East .... Only China. One must be wary.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 30 June 2017 09: 06
        +7
        Quote: Samy
        Despite the fact that China has never attacked Russia, but the Russian troops, I recall. took Beijing twice.

        Well, there were still conflicts. The shelling of Blagoveshchensk in 1900, the conflict on the CER. “But if you look at the Soviet period of our past, then without effort you can find even more unknown to the modern reader military operations. And among them, undoubtedly, is the conflict on the CER - the Sino-Eastern Railway, which took place in 1929.http: // www.istpravda.ru/digest/2087/ Damansky and a number of conflicts in 1969-1970 But otherwise you are right, and there were no major conflicts.
        Well, I’ll say to a wise guy, my city is located 800 meters from the PRC, but we have never been afraid of anything. And if it were dangerous, then the TWO would be removed from the Amur.
        1. Vania
          Vania 30 June 2017 10: 42
          +1
          But what about the creation of the world in a heavenly temple ?? The Chinese protect the culture and remember how that massacre ended. Culture will disappear - wait for trouble. America has already filled this hand.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 30 June 2017 14: 50
            +1
            Quote: Vanya
            The Chinese protect the culture and remember how that massacre ended.

            Yes, and also remember why they let the Russians go to Amur. Pay attention to the Aigun 1858 and Beijing 1860 treaties and the Opium in China and the Crimean War of England with Russia.
            The Chinese and Manchus believed that having given Russia the Amur Region and Primorye, the Chinese Empire would eliminate the possibility of British penetration from the north.
            http://mychinaexpert.ru/opiumnye-vojny-v-kitae-i-
            ix-posledstviya /
            http://www.istmira.com/drugoe-novoe-vremya/12560-
            opiumnye-voyny-kratko.html
      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 30 June 2017 11: 33
        +7
        Something the author of the article caught fear. The logic of a woman suspecting her husband of adultery. If China has normal relations with Russia, then what, you can’t look in other directions? Are normal relations banned with other countries? Russia can build relations with the United States, but not China?
        A very strange article.
      3. reservist
        reservist 30 June 2017 12: 24
        +2
        Quote: Samy
        Russian troops, I recall. took Beijing twice

        in 1900, not only Russians took Beijing ...
        1. marshes
          marshes 30 June 2017 12: 40
          +4
          Quote: reservist
          in 1900, not only Russians took Beijing ...

          The Chinese have a long, thousand-year-old memory, those who first pestered them or disappeared from the political map of the world or became part of China.
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 30 June 2017 14: 09
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            The Chinese have a long, thousand-year-old memory, those who first pestered them or disappeared from the political map of the world or became part of China.

            To the Anglo-Saxons, I'm sure they are not breathing evenly.
            1. marshes
              marshes 30 June 2017 14: 23
              +1
              Quote: You Vlad
              To the Anglo-Saxons, I'm sure they are not breathing evenly.

              The Anglo-Saxons, or rather the Rothschild Bank. As there ... the logo is like candy, the same China does not breathe evenly, and the Finnish union is there. And so the Angles returned Hong Kong-Hong Kong, just like the Portuguese Macau. China only left Taiwan, and the lands that the Qing dynasty belonged to, Manjurian, The last emperor is just one of these. Manju Guo.
          2. reservist
            reservist 30 June 2017 14: 56
            +4
            I hope that the first place in the "Chinese list" will be with the Japanese ...
            1. marshes
              marshes 30 June 2017 15: 03
              +1
              Quote: reservist
              I hope that the first place in the "Chinese list" will be with the Japanese ...

              They do not see the Japanese fiercely, they saw it at the reception at the hotel in Hainan, the bodyguards had to intervene, the Chinese, the one from a Japanese large company.
          3. Amurets
            Amurets 30 June 2017 14: 57
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            The Chinese have a long, thousand-year-old memory, those who first pestered them or disappeared from the political map of the world or became part of China.

            Even England and France, for the Opium Wars in China?
            http://fb.ru/article/52099/opiumnyie-voynyi-v-kit
            ae
            1. marshes
              marshes 30 June 2017 15: 17
              +1
              Quote: Amurets
              Even England and France, for the Opium Wars in China?
              http://fb.ru/article/52099/opiumnyie-voynyi-v-kit
              ae

              Yes, I know about this, francs already pay tribute to technology and wines, they pay with cheeses. Yes, the production of automotive components is arranged. The Germans, in general, they opened the production of Folts, Santana-2000-Passat is 80 years old, golf-3 is going there.
              When the Soviet authorities in our country and in Central Asia put, in general, payment, there was even such money with opium trade with China. Obviously, the Rothschilds could not do without it.
              Now, because of Hong Kong, with British law, all investors are registered there, something like that we in Astana where we are going to hold EXPO, we even redo the constitution.
      4. reservist
        reservist 30 June 2017 14: 41
        +1
        Quote: Samy
        ... Russian troops, I recall. took Beijing twice

        recall pls whose army occupied Beijing until 1945 ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 June 2017 07: 51
      +7
      Quote: Clever man
      I have always been of the opinion that the only country that Russia needs to fear is China.

      Stick on laughing
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  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 June 2017 07: 03
    +11
    A huge country with unlimited natural resources. The population is very small for such a country. And the mass of those who want to protest such, in their opinion, an unfair "alignment".
    So, as ancestors, one has to hold a plow in one hand, and a sword in the other.
    Soothes one. Even the dead DPRK, covered by the DECISION of the people and a hint of a retaliatory nuclear strike, was afraid to attack. So to Russia - even more so! You can defeat Russia only from within.
  6. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 30 June 2017 07: 14
    +23
    My predictions are confirmed, but how the people here were indignant when I described the real state of things, as far back as 3 years ago. Like, the Chinese are “brothers forever” and “we will crush the stripes together” ... finished off.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 June 2017 07: 52
      +13
      Quote: And Us Rat
      My forecasts are confirmed

      By whom?
      Tomorrow will see the opposite article, what will you write?
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      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 30 June 2017 11: 16
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: And Us Rat
        My forecasts are confirmed

        By whom?
        Tomorrow will see the opposite article, what will you write?

        Sasha, from the fact that the opposite article will come out - the reality will not change. Or all the described massive glitch? what
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 30 June 2017 12: 04
          +1
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Sasha, from the fact that the opposite article will come out - the reality will not change. Or all the described massive glitch?

          And what kind of reality do you think ?. smile
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 30 June 2017 13: 39
            +7
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And what kind of reality do you think?

            And the reality is that all the urya cries in the style of "Chinese are friends and brothers" is a complete clinic. request The PRC is doing and will continue to do so - only what meets the interests of the PRC.
            Did you sell them Su-35 with the new engine and C-400 (for reverse engineering)? Sold! yes You have completed your task at the moment. request Now is the time to make money, and in trading with states 20 times more money for the PRC than in trading with you. request
            They need something else from you - friendly gestures will begin again. In the meantime, they will nod your head and speak their teeth - "yes, yes, very soon, friendship is chewing gum."
            When you can create real economic competition / an alternative to the states, then there will be something to seriously discuss. In the meantime, large US (private!) Investment funds are turning over capitals the size of your annual GDP (everyone!), All the talk about conquering Chinese markets is in favor of the poor.
            Py.Sy.- This “fast-moving” fund, for example, controls assets on 3.5 trillion dollars - http://www.fanniemae.com/portal/index.html
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 30 June 2017 14: 18
              +1
              Quote: And Us Rat
              And the reality is that all the urya cries in the style of "Chinese are friends and brothers" is a complete clinic. The PRC is doing and will continue to do so - only what meets the interests of the PRC.

              But the interests of the countries can not coincide, well, let's say political, strategic, economic? Or will they still deceive?
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 30 June 2017 14: 38
                +1
                Quote: You Vlad
                And the interests of the countries can not coincide, well, let's say political, strategic, economic?

                Of course they can, but not forever. request Preservation of these common interests requires continuously work, but not only that - you still have to have competitivenessso that continuously provide a material base for these interests, in addition to rhetoric and demagogy.
                Quote: You Vlad
                Or are they cheating anyway?

                And what does history teach? wink
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 30 June 2017 15: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  Of course they can, but not forever. The preservation of these common interests requires continuous work, but not only that, one must also be competitive in order to continuously provide a material base for these interests, in addition to rhetoric and demagogy.

                  Well, it seems like they are working, SCO, Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, One belt, one way.
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  And what does history teach?

                  Worse than enmity with Anglo-Saxon can only be friendship with him wink And we are neighbors with China, and on this we can and should earn money for mutual benefit! And in politics, China is much closer to us!
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 30 June 2017 15: 49
                    0
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    Well, it seems like they are working, SCO, Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, One belt, one way.

                    Well, then this is not enough, then you need to work even harder. request
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    Worse than hostility with Anglo-Saxon can only be friendship with him.

                    This is if you allow them to. They respect strength (not only military), you just can’t relax and take your eyes off them. And then it is quite possible to have equal benefit from them. They only bite when they feel weak. (Politics and business are the same for them, but in business they do business with the strong, the weak are trying to absorb)
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    And we are neighbors with China, and this can and should be earned for mutual benefit!

                    It is possible, but if the states ask them a question with an edge - “either \ or” ... I think it is not necessary to continue. request
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    And in politics, China is much closer to us!

                    Adjustment - you have much less conflict of interest with them than with states (or than they have with states). But then again, everything can change at any second - if they receive a proposal more favorable to their interests (which, in my opinion, is happening now).

                    Py.Sy. - G2 is not just an empty phrase if the states share reins with China over their Asian vassals in the China Sea region (they simply merge / exchange them for an adequate price, in exchange for draining the DPRK by the Chinese, for example) - then their contradictions with the PRC very sharply will decrease. Do not forget - Trump is not an idealist, he is a businessman.
                    1. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 30 June 2017 16: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      It is possible, but if the states ask them a question with an edge - “either \ or” ... I think it is not necessary to continue.

                      And they will be able to raise such a question? Well, without a show-off, I don’t think they are in the wrong situation in order to twist China’s hands ..
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      Well, then this is not enough, then you need to work even harder.

                      These projects are much more diligent. We circumvented the main question: Is China happy with one polar world? Judging by the actions of China, no!
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 30 June 2017 19: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: You Vlad
                        And they will be able to raise such a question? Well, without a show-off, I don’t think they are in the wrong situation in order to twist China’s hands ..

                        This is what we will soon understand.
                        Quote: You Vlad
                        Much harder are global projects.

                        I don’t know, but apparently the Chinese believe (judging by recent actions) that they are "crowded", and perceive these projects as regional and low margin. request
                        Quote: You Vlad
                        But does China suit one polar world? Judging by the actions of China, no!

                        Rђ RІRѕS, twopolar ... the question is open. request

                        Are you trying to convince me or yourself that "everything is super"? request I’m not saying that “the boss has lost his mustache,” but I wouldn’t relax in Russia’s place, on the contrary, I would double and triple my efforts, the situation is precarious. request
            2. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 30 June 2017 14: 30
              +7
              In the context of what I read above, I would like to turn to the words of the old joke: "Jews! Take care of the Russians! Because if they kill Russians, they will take over for you!"
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 30 June 2017 15: 19
                +3
                Quote: Solomon Kane
                In the context of what I read above, I would like to turn to the words of the old joke: "Jews! Take care of the Russians! Because if they kill Russians, they will take over for you!"

                Can not be forced. request
                Part of the Jewish mentality is to ask questions (many questions), question everything and get to the bottom of the truth. We can argue to hoarseness, defending our opinion, but we will always thoroughly check and double-check the opponent’s point of view (even if we don’t show it), on the subject - “what if I missed something”.
                And the "great-power" mentality of a fair amount of your compatriots plays a cruel joke with them, they are used to teaching the "younger nations" without trying to check themselves - "what if I'm wrong." And when you try to share information with them, they greet it with hostility, such as "who are these insects to teach us something - we are so great, we are a priori right." request
                Py.Sy. - By the way, the Americans have the same problem, “exceptional” damn it. fool
                What is interesting - the Chinese are more flexible in this regard, although they have enough imperial ambitions - they are ready to listen with impartiality and analyze what they are told. request
                1. Solomon Kane
                  Solomon Kane 30 June 2017 16: 44
                  +6
                  No . Here I do not agree with you. Russians do not have a factor of "exclusivity," rather, it is a primordially innate nonsense. Some people know how to control this defect, others do not. Some people know how to listen and hear. Others "like peas against a wall",
                  Note that the concept of "twice on the same rake" is exclusively Russian.
                  At the same time, Russians are the most generous people who can forgive, who never remember evil, etc.
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 30 June 2017 19: 04
                    +2
                    Quote: Solomon Kane
                    Note that the concept of "twice on the same rake" is exclusively Russian.

                    Nah ... laughing Everyone has it, just in other words. laughing
            3. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 30 June 2017 16: 32
              +1
              Quote: And Us Rat

              And the reality is that all the urya cries in the style of "Chinese are friends and brothers" is a complete clinic.

              And ascribe to everyone the opinion of the individual is what is called? smile
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 30 June 2017 16: 42
                0
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                And ascribe to everyone the opinion of the individual is what is called?

                And where did I say that they sinned all polls?! fellow
                Do not try to overshadow my words, and invest in them a meaning that I did not invest! stop
                It's easy for me to refute it, and you will look stupid. stop
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 30 June 2017 17: 01
                  0
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  And where did I say that everyone sins without exception ?!

                  Yeah, trying to dodge? There were excuses. Like, they misunderstood the other, the other. Well, all of a sudden, you really didn’t manage to clearly express your opinion and you were misunderstood. We will give you the opportunity to make excuses, immediately shoot as a spy, we will not be the enemy of the people and the provocateur. So what did you want to say with this
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  My predictions are confirmed, but how the people here were indignant when I described the real state of things, as far back as 3 years ago. Like, the Chinese are “brothers forever” and “we will crush the stripes together” ... finished off.
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 30 June 2017 19: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Yeah, trying to dodge? Send excuses ...

                    No I'm not trying, I asked specific question - And where did I say that everyone sins without exception ?! yes
                    Rђ RІRѕS, you just evade the answer and translate the topic! fellow Answer the question! Or do you admit that you slander? wink
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    So what did you want to say with this:

                    Exactly what I said, 3 a year ago I suggested a similar feint with my ears from China and they pecked at me for it, and today it’s exactly what I expected - the PRC does exclusively what is beneficial to the PRC, even if it’s “brothers and allies” (as they called your relationship is my opponents) it is diametrically opposed to wool. request
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2017 16: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      Exactly what I said, 3 a year ago I suggested a similar feint with my ears from China and they pecked at me for it, and today it’s exactly what I expected - the PRC does exclusively what is beneficial to the PRC, even if it’s “brothers and allies” (as they called your relationship is my opponents) it is diametrically opposed to wool.

                      Clear. So be it. The shooting is replaced by a strict reprimand. laughing Well, what do you want? I want to believe people in something good. And feelings often outweigh the voice of reason.
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 1 July 2017 18: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Clear. So be it. The shooting is replaced by a strict reprimand.

                        The drain is counted. tongue
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Well, what do you want? I want to believe people in something good. And feelings often outweigh the voice of reason.

                        I understand this very well, but often the desire to hide my head in the sand is fraught with consequences. request
                        I can’t keep silent in such situations.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 June 2017 07: 42
    +6
    US and China teamed up in G2 against the rest of the world

    In my opinion, the author hastened to conclusions. Of course, China will not lose its profit, but it will not be united with the United States against everyone, let alone dance to the American tune (Americans in any association designate themselves as the main ones).
  8. win9090
    win9090 30 June 2017 08: 41
    +5
    Here, as they say, Russia has only two (three) allies
    And with Asians you need to keep your ear sharp, they always have a stone behind their backs.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 30 June 2017 13: 09
      +4
      Quote: win9090
      Here, as they say, Russia has only two (three) allies
      And with Asians you need to keep your ear sharp, they always have a stone behind their backs.

      Yes, they are Asians, bodybuilders all the time, carry kamenyuki behind their backs from birth to death, so that at the right moment they would shy away from the gaping white-faced man on the dark side of the river with a stored kamenyuki. laughing
      1. win9090
        win9090 30 June 2017 15: 46
        0
        Well, how would it be your problems if you are not able to understand the direct and figurative meaning.
        Projected onto politics.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 30 June 2017 17: 38
          +1
          Quote: win9090
          Well, how would it be your problems if you are not able to understand the direct and figurative meaning.
          Projected onto politics.

          No, these are your problems when you write down all Asians indiscriminately as "bodybuilders"
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 30 June 2017 17: 07
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        Yes, they are Asians, bodybuilders all the time, carry kamenyuki behind their backs from birth to death, so that at the right moment they would shy away from the gaping white-faced man on the dark side of the river with a stored kamenyuki.

        Hello to bodybuilders. Kak uspehi v osvoenii latinici? When will Kazakhstan become a Europe? smile
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 30 June 2017 17: 47
          +1
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

          Hello to bodybuilders. Kak uspehi v osvoenii latinici? When will Kazakhstan become a Europe? smile

          What did the Russian language translate into Latin, or the secret European? laughing Topic of the article Strategic partnership between Russia and China ....... No longer flood.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 30 June 2017 17: 54
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            What did the Russian language translate into Latin, or the secret European?

            I wanted on the Kazakh mov, but not rosum. smile
            Quote: Semurg
            Topic of the article Strategic Partnership between Russia and China

            Why discuss there. There, the Jewish comrades have already issued a verdict that there is nothing to discuss due to the lack of a subject. laughing
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 30 June 2017 18: 29
              +1
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Quote: Semurg
              What did the Russian language translate into Latin, or the secret European?

              I wanted on the Kazakh mov, but not rosum. smile
              Quote: Semurg
              Topic of the article Strategic Partnership between Russia and China

              Why discuss there. There, the Jewish comrades have already issued a verdict that there is nothing to discuss due to the lack of a subject. laughing

              In the rules of the site it is strictly forbidden to use languages ​​other than Russian. Everyone has their own vision of the further development of the RF-China relationship, the Jews have their own but they are not the ultimate truth and they can be wrong, and different options are possible from symbiosis to war.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 30 June 2017 21: 16
                0
                Quote: Semurg
                In the rules of the site it is strictly forbidden to use languages ​​other than Russian.

                So this is Russian only in Latin. Besides a little bit, I think you can. As they say. The strictness of laws is mitigated by the non-bindingness of their implementation.smile
                Quote: Semurg
                Everyone has their own vision of the further development of the RF-China relationship, the Jews have their own but they are not the ultimate truth and they can be wrong, and different options are possible from symbiosis to war.

                Let's see what happens next. I hope Xi Jinping will not do any irreparable stupidity. Otherwise, the whole world will choke again in blood. I do not like these movements from the United States.
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  9. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 30 June 2017 09: 06
    +18
    Well done Chinese. They smile, promise, but they don’t give money. Because they understand that Putin has nowhere to go. They will wait a couple more years and get everything they want with an even greater discount. Plus, giving money to outright crooks and embezzlers is out of their mind. All the same, they will prosrut. They are already gaining increasing economic influence in Russia (allowed to build the metro, railways, etc.), but there is already political one. About the allies of Russia correctly noticed. Just another sentence of Napoleon Bonaparte comes to mind: An army is never brave without supplies. And supplies come from a strong economy, which Russia does not have. And if you also continue to make the appearance of action, and not take something specific, the result will be sad. Respect the strong. By all indications, China does not see a strong partner in Russia. But the vassal dependent state is quite.
    1. peta locksmith
      peta locksmith 30 June 2017 10: 22
      +6
      namely, as a vassal state for resettling and supplying new generations of Chinese termite stripes because of a puddle, termites have already capitalized - the largest holders of the state debt of the slider - the Chinese termites, and the slider are much ready to bring termites on a platter, if only the termites were not "friends" against them with Russia, etc. etc.
      The termites are smiling, they say thanks, but they themselves are grabbing at the mother-and-mothers and have already sucked on Russian resources, our products are “fall-fall, bitten”, they are buying up in border cities, etc. etc.
      As in Krylov’s fable - in Russia termites have both a table and a house
    2. Igor Golov
      Igor Golov 30 June 2017 11: 08
      +1
      Where did your idol Napoleon end up in? Here you have it. From illiteracy. Because literacy and literacy - they are for cattle. Because: China, no one pulled the language to offer equity participation in construction. And perhaps, they don’t want gas, let the coal heat up and choke on the consequences of coal consumption.
      1. Megamarcel
        Megamarcel 30 June 2017 20: 54
        +2
        Napoleon finished like all other people. He died. For natural reasons, or he was helped to die, this is the tenth issue. The fact that the Chinese are climbing into our infrastructure facilities, but are not in a hurry to invest their money, is also a fact. Also, they are not ready to sit on the Russian oil and gas needle. Why do they need this? In any case, they will try to diversify supplies. And I think that many will want to supply them with this gas, since they are a very profitable customer. I don’t understand what kind of cooperation with China we are talking about. Russia is not a partner for the Chinese, because it cannot offer something that others cannot offer. And there’s nothing for them to talk with our ruler. Compare the number of high-speed railways, etc. here and in China. It is we who walk in their clothes, it is our pilots who work in the Chinese airline, etc., and not vice versa. And while they generate little of their own ideas, they will soon settle this too. Learn to speak Chinese since our country, under the leadership of the wisest, has become an outsider.
    3. Giants
      Giants 30 June 2017 20: 47
      +1
      Quote: MegaMarcel
      Well done Chinese. They smile, promise, but they don’t give money. Because they understand that Putin has nowhere to go

      Do you remember the enthusiastic squeals on the site in May 2014? Here every day there was a new article about the Great Turn to the East and sang hosannas to Great Putin.
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  11. uhu189
    uhu189 30 June 2017 10: 41
    +5
    Why be surprised? Recently, rapprochement with Russia is only an argument in disputes over preferences and better conditions in negotiations with the United States. Nobody really wants to cooperate with us (Syria does not count), you need to clearly understand this. Therefore, hoping for help from outside is not necessary
  12. Guru
    Guru 30 June 2017 10: 44
    +2
    Initially, there was no talk of bloc thinking in dialogs with China, but for now, only the interests of the economic plan. China is not a friend, but just a partner like many.
    And do not wait for some kind of sharp movements.
  13. Abbattar
    Abbattar 30 June 2017 10: 45
    +2
    In 5-6 years, the Chinese will find out how the United States will overturn them,
    1. Igor Golov
      Igor Golov 30 June 2017 11: 09
      +2
      They learn about this much earlier. in half a year - a year. America needs them as a bargaining chip against us.
      1. Vz.58
        Vz.58 30 June 2017 12: 14
        0
        You are a little mistaken. This is China needs America as a bargaining chip against Russia
  14. Anya Boronenkova
    Anya Boronenkova 30 June 2017 10: 55
    +5
    The Chinese, NEVER give way, not a dime, to anyone !!! Tough people to any currency.
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    1. 97110
      97110 30 June 2017 14: 05
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      it will be a terrible dream for Russia.

      Nothing worse than the restoration of capitalism can be invented for Russia. However, this terrible thing has been happening for 30 years, and many have not noticed. 100 years ago, EVERYTHING was against Russia in general. Resources were enough to cope with ALL. And there were allies ... And asking for allies to our capitalists, as it were, are apparently evil, Nem. While we are moving in a wake of a bus with, excuse me, models, and while our "elite" for pimping, the French police of some municipality take a clean washed (same-sex business!) Hands for a pink ass, what are our allies? Only "partners" that the Russian Foreign Ministry regularly voices.
  16. Oleg Severov
    Oleg Severov 30 June 2017 11: 01
    +6
    Now you can see the real level of Putin. District Governor. Sorry
  17. vlad007
    vlad007 30 June 2017 11: 06
    +4
    China has its own problems above the roof - lack of labor resources (a consequence of many years of birth control), a very old population, no old-age pensions, the CCP does not enjoy authority (in the last 10-15 years, about 100 million people have left the party), terrible ecology and much more. China is successfully creating the appearance of prosperity, but in reality, not everything is as good there as we think.
    One of the main problems of our cooperation with China is our lack of strong expert support. We need translators, specialists in the Chinese economy, law, etc. There are very few specialists, so only money cannot solve the problem.
  18. av58
    av58 30 June 2017 11: 06
    +4
    What, someone doubted that the Chinese would spit under our feet as soon as there was a reason, and even more so a reason? Against this background, the decision on the development of Russian-Chinese cooperation in the aircraft industry, and on the actual transfer to China of our technologies in the production of super-heavy helicopters, aircraft engines, as well as experience in the design of wide-body aircraft and helicopters, is very strange. It's time to make a stop and look around.
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  20. isae.jenja
    isae.jenja 30 June 2017 11: 55
    0
    “To be a friend of the Anglo-Saxon is worse than to be his enemy,” as our fellow countryman said so. The Chinese made his choice ...
  21. igorserg
    igorserg 30 June 2017 11: 57
    +1
    Business people find each other ... and we are so far only interested in the Chinese as raw materials and areas for living. The Chinese are right in doing that they are not exchanging for "distant prospects" when there is where to deploy now. And we have all the plans and the projects ... Manilovism.
  22. 1536
    1536 30 June 2017 12: 10
    +3
    We are interesting to the Chinese as a raw materials appendage and a territory for the resettlement of Chinese coolies who sleep and see how they would become masters. This was clear to everyone who had studied the history of foreign countries at least a little bit at school or university. It would be better to take a different path: try our businessmen to place orders in China for the production of goods and equipment for Russia as Western companies do. First, a little, then more and more. China must be left as a production workshop for the whole world and to prevent the Chinese from spreading to neighboring, primarily our territories. Apparently, no one understands this in the government, and therefore leads the country to nowhere.
  23. victorrat
    victorrat 30 June 2017 12: 27
    +1
    Here are those on! Our delicious ice cream didn't help. From Trump, China endured rudeness for the sake of profit. And is this the Chinese Communist Party and its meaning? What to expect in the second section of the Marlezon Ballet? Trump support in Syria? Ah yes Trump, oh yes son of a bitch!
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  25. SergF123
    SergF123 30 June 2017 13: 42
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: siberalt
    А what does it have to do with it China?

    Article about CHINA! yes

    Yes, despite the fact that the country is not gasified !! Some promises like the great and the sun! The people are impoverished, educational institutions are closing down, industrial degradation is underway - and all this is due to gas and oil pumps, which do not care about the country, and especially the people living in it! Why does China need beggars - they make money! The wealth of the state is not from the amount of oil and gas, gold and silver, diamonds, nickel, aluminum, etc., etc., etc. - but in the abundance of the people! An example is Japan, Germany and other developed countries! I love my country and even very, but to reject the obvious is stupid!
    1. marshes
      marshes 30 June 2017 13: 56
      0
      Quote: SergF123
      Example - Japan, Germany

      The most offensive is that they lost the war.
      Quote: SergF123
      other developed countries!

      In the USA, those who visited Germany themselves are shocked that the Germans live better than they laughing They were delighted with their social networks, and those who served as soldiers at the bases in Germany felt this.
      How is the slogan-Want to see the whole world-go to the fleet. smile
  26. SergF123
    SergF123 30 June 2017 13: 45
    +1
    Quote: 1536
    We are interesting to the Chinese as a raw materials appendage and a territory for the resettlement of Chinese coolies who sleep and see how they would become masters. This was clear to everyone who had studied the history of foreign countries at least a little bit at school or university. It would be better to take a different path: try our businessmen to place orders in China for the production of goods and equipment for Russia as Western companies do. First, a little, then more and more. China must be left as a production workshop for the whole world and to prevent the Chinese from spreading to neighboring, primarily our territories. Apparently, no one understands this in the government, and therefore leads the country to nowhere.

    Stupidity! And for your information - we already have a huge number of products developed and certified in Russia under various brands, produced in China !!!!
    1. marshes
      marshes 30 June 2017 14: 13
      0
      Quote: SergF123
      Stupidity! And for your information - we already have a huge number of products developed and certified in Russia under various brands, produced in China !!!!

      For electrical tools you can see, I forgot the name of the Russian company, but it produces similar products, even in color and product range as the Chinese krovun, KROWN.Here even exhibited a photo.
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 30 June 2017 15: 04
        +1
        Quote: marshes
        For electrical tools you can see, I forgot the name of the Russian company, but it produces similar products, even in color and product range as the Chinese krovun, KROWN.Here even exhibited a photo.


        For power tools. You will be surprised, but there are no longer any Russian companies producing in the Russian Federation. Craton, Interskol, Whirlwind, Expert, Enkor all this is China. There were Diold and Fiolent from Soviet times, they produced their own, but they were blown away too. The diold catalog came the other day. So there are copies of Kraton. Smolensk will now be produced in China. About Fiolent long been heard nothing.
        1. marshes
          marshes 30 June 2017 15: 32
          0
          Quote: Choi
          For power tools.

          A cousin for the next day, he sent a pair of coils and spins by mail, having unpacked the parcel, he thought to find Russian-made, in fact it was made in China by order of that company.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 30 June 2017 17: 24
          0
          Quote: Choi
          For power tools. You will be surprised, but there are no longer any Russian companies producing in the Russian Federation. Craton, Interskol, Whirlwind, Expert, Enkor all this is China. There were Diold and Fiolent from Soviet times, they produced their own, but they were blown away too. The diold catalog came the other day. So there are copies of Kraton. Smolensk will now be produced in China. About Fiolent long been heard nothing.

          And what Interskol closed plants in Russia? Fiolent also seems to have done the tools as far as I know. I saw in the store drills and jigsaws Fiolent no more than six months ago they were sold.
          1. marshes
            marshes 30 June 2017 18: 05
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            I saw Fiolent drills and jigsaws in the store no more than six months ago.

            What do you do in life, interest, there is a workshop for cabinet and upholstered furniture, I started to do it myself and got up from the “dismissal”.
          2. Tsoy
            Tsoy 30 June 2017 19: 35
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And what Interskol closed plants in Russia? Fiolent also seems to have done the tools as far as I know. I saw in the store drills and jigsaws Fiolent no more than six months ago they were sold.


            Bykovsky, it seems, still works, but he only collects batteries for shuriki. And that of the Spanish components. But the drills all as one in the black case go. And this is a secret, a distinctive feature of the Chinese plant. Phiolent is still producing its goods. But here the client is more likely dead than alive. The rest is just overwhelmed by the amount.
  27. SergF123
    SergF123 30 June 2017 13: 47
    +2
    The obvious Chinese solution! Why should they be friends with rogues! Beggar people - an indicator of the country's path - that’s the whole story!
  28. SergF123
    SergF123 30 June 2017 13: 49
    +2
    Quote: MegaMarcel
    Well done Chinese. They smile, promise, but they don’t give money. Because they understand that Putin has nowhere to go. They will wait a couple more years and get everything they want with an even greater discount. Plus, giving money to outright crooks and embezzlers is out of their mind. All the same, they will prosrut. They are already gaining increasing economic influence in Russia (allowed to build the metro, railways, etc.), but there is already political one. About the allies of Russia correctly noticed. Just another sentence of Napoleon Bonaparte comes to mind: An army is never brave without supplies. And supplies come from a strong economy, which Russia does not have. And if you also continue to make the appearance of action, and not take something specific, the result will be sad. Respect the strong. By all indications, China does not see a strong partner in Russia. But the vassal dependent state is quite.

    Respect the strong and wealthy! And those who respond symmetrically and chew snot, they are not respected and will not be respected!
  29. Tsoy
    Tsoy 30 June 2017 15: 00
    0
    Pretty funny. Sounds like a joke. Sit at dinner Chinese and American.
    - Blue, stay overnight. All the same, you have nowhere to return ...

    The same uncertainty prevails in the system of financial relationships. The promised crediting of Russian banks from China’s resources did not receive due development here. In the conditions of restricting Russia's access to Western financial markets, Moscow very much hoped for the support of Beijing. They even agreed to borrow in yuan.


    I remember the news that Chinese banks are not lending to firms from the Russian Federation for fear of being sanctioned by the United States. Since the main finances are in the West, they decided not to risk it.
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  31. Slavon
    Slavon 2 July 2017 21: 32
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    The Chinese are people on their minds, they have not accepted directness in culture. The Chinese will go for those who offer a more profitable option, and as long as they are profitable. If their ass is in danger they will be good and accommodating until they are again in comfort. From my observations from personal communication with them and what I heard from the Chinese themselves.
  32. guerrilla
    guerrilla 4 July 2017 10: 17
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    Quote: And Us Rat
    We with such starting positions would have already colonized Mars for a long time!

    Aha, if not for the 1000-year containment policy ...