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What could end the battle under the groove?

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The Office of the Ombudsman’s Commissioner for Human Rights reports that in the territories of Donbass under Kiev’s control, detentions of those citizens of Ukraine who oppose the continuation of the civil war continue. The unit DNR received several allegations of such arrests. Data published by the portal "Donetsk News Agency":
At the Mayorskoye checkpoint 6 on June 2017, SBU officers detained a woman, 1956, who was born. In the city of Kramatorsk, 1 on June 2017 was arrested by officers of the SBU man 1951 of the year, and in Mariupol on 31 of May 2017, a woman was born 1994, born.

It is stated that in total, the Security Service of Ukraine keeps citizens in the dungeons of 736, who openly spoke in favor of the cessation of hostilities in the Donbas. This people are accused of "aiding separatism." It turns out that calls for an end to the fratricidal war in Kiev today are also referred to as separatism.

Last night, the Ukrainian security forces continued shelling the territory of the DNR and the LC. So, in the Luhansk People's Republic, according to the command of the NM command, at least seven attacks were recorded. Ukrainian security forces continue to be active in the area of ​​the Bakhmut highway. The Armed Forces of Ukraine military personnel clearly received an order to organize a new “hot spot” on the contact line before the next stage of the Contact Group meeting, which, I suppose, like all previous ones, will not lead to anything effective.

At the same time, the goal of the Ukrainian security forces, in addition to the phased advancement in the "gray zone", is to provoke the forces of the LPR to a hard response. If such a response in the near future from NM NMR is, then this will give Kiev an excuse to again speak of “violation of the Minsk agreements by the opposite side” - just before the meeting on the implementation of the Minsk agreements.

What could end the battle under the groove?


Another question is that if the NM of the LNR does not respond to the Ukrainian provocation, the APU will continue to continue their “toad jumps”, occupying more and more areas in the so-called “gray band” - the territory of delimitation of the power of the Supreme Court of Ukraine and the People’s Militia.

Apparently, NM LC takes a "wait-and-see" position and, if the contacts under the Minsk agreements are not crowned with success, they can easily send the APU to the same 100 meters from Zhelobka and the height occupied by Bakhmutki.
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  1. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 10 June 2017 09: 37
    +37
    Not tired of “taking a wait-and-see attitude”? Maybe just changing the tactics to “three kilometers every day, and taking so much back your territory, take more, it will be even better for you yourself! !! By the way, about the birds — how is Zakharchenko there -Kiev regime probably already buried? ?? If a man, so let him answer for his words.
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 10 June 2017 09: 40
      +20
      It’s impossible, we’re still not ready for the “cunning plan”.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 10 June 2017 10: 13
        +4
        More than 1 million Ukrainians are in line for Russian citizenship. What else does Poroshenko achieve? Occupy an empty territory?
        1. Puss in Boots
          Puss in Boots 10 June 2017 10: 19
          +15
          since he initially needed a half-empty territory, they directly stated that for Ukraine 5-7 mil. population is the limit!
        2. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 10 June 2017 10: 35
          +15
          I will express seditious thought. Donbas itself is not necessary for us in FIG, but the Slavs living there can replenish our population reduced for reform.
          1. Vpk72
            Vpk72 10 June 2017 11: 28
            +55
            I will express the right thought - I need Donbass and the people living there
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 10 June 2017 14: 19
              +34
              I will express even more correct thought - we need all of Ukraine. Well, or at least the South-East. Ukraine has never been a burden for Russia. It is not right to pose this question. The Germans did not put it in the unification of the two Germanys.
              1. Vpk72
                Vpk72 10 June 2017 15: 36
                +9
                I agree - but it is impossible to justify the betrayal with the slogan "we need all of Ukraine"
                and meanness, dressing up in "cunning plans" occurring in the Donbass
                1. Thrall
                  Thrall 11 June 2017 10: 43
                  +4
                  And we need Vilnius, Daugavpils Bialystok, Chernihiv, Pskov, Smolensk and Bryansk smile
                  1. Russia
                    Russia 12 June 2017 19: 56
                    +2
                    you need a sedative!
                  2. kush62
                    kush62 16 June 2017 12: 02
                    0
                    Thrall June 11, 2017 10:43 ↑
                    And we need Vilnius, Daugavpils Bialystok, Chernihiv, Pskov, Smolensk and Bryansk

                    Come and take (from the story) laughing
              2. mikael
                mikael 10 June 2017 20: 05
                +2
                I agree, I need it along with the Ukrainians, but without castrolegol horses, it’s advisable to hand them over to the spare part, let them disassemble and remove the parts they need. parts
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              3. FlyEngine
                FlyEngine 10 June 2017 20: 46
                +8
                The person who says "We need all of Ukraine" is simply not familiar with people west of Vinnitsa. Everything is sad there.
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          2. 34 region
            34 region 10 June 2017 14: 24
            +28
            10.35. Kep! Judging only by the development of Moscow, the Kremlin does not need Russia either. It feels like they are trying to squeeze all of Russia into the borders of the Moscow region. Everything outside must perish.
            1. Fedor K
              Fedor K 10 June 2017 14: 42
              +1
              For Muscovites, RUSSIANS, and for RUSSIANS, Muscovites - Deputy. Although Moscow TERRITORially spreads across the Moscow region beyond the Moscow Ring Road.
          3. Armata
            Armata 10 June 2017 20: 55
            +4
            Quote: Ken71
            I will express seditious thought. Donbas itself is not necessary for us in FIG, but the Slavs living there can replenish our population reduced for reform.

            An interesting statement. We are fighting for this territory. And we are generous, took and gave. These are not our Shura methods. Bauxite deposits cannot be given so easily. People just need to support a small amount of equipment and they will turn to face us. This post was not published for the outbreak of war, among the Donetsk and Lugansk Cossacks many innocent people die for the sake of the ruling ambitions. This poses calls for tougher measures against the invaders (it’s not a secret which country there has found its own profit and it’s no secret that they want to get it. They don’t need Western regions, they just need ground meat (minerals)). Zapadentsev useful only cannon fodder. I can only wish one. Hold on to the Slavs, this scum has come and will perish in Leta, and you will live and prosper. We experienced this with the Christmas tree and the hunchback, patience with you and happiness.
            1. Aidarkuluy
              Aidarkuluy 10 June 2017 21: 17
              +1
              I completely agree that Donbass scum will rot slowly and Ukraine will heal in a new way with Donbass
              1. Armata
                Armata 10 June 2017 21: 52
                +11
                Quote: Aidarkuluy
                I completely agree that Donbass scum will rot slowly and Ukraine will heal in a new way with Donbass

                Do you know what your scum will perish. Scum against which our grandfathers put their lives. Scum that is now killing children while inadequate in alcohol. Scum which even Slavs call ashamed, a shame of the clan. Well, although in Russia there is a saying, "There is not a freak in the family."
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          5. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky 12 June 2017 12: 41
            +2
            Quote: Ken71
            I will express seditious thought. Donbas itself is not necessary for us in FIG, but the Slavs living there can replenish our population reduced for reform.

            give your respected to anyone you want
            First, try to create something, to achieve, to conquer, and then share this as you wish.
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          1. Armata
            Armata 10 June 2017 22: 26
            +10
            Quote: Aidarkuluy
            Poroshenko has already achieved a visa-free regime for Ukraine

            So use it, Vali first to Ukraine, and then to the back-drive friends.
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 11 June 2017 00: 27
            +11
            Quote: Aidarkuluy
            Aidarkuluy


            Pan, are you lost? For "parasites" and "scum" in relation to the Donetsk people, you can get the face down too. Get away in a good way.
        5. Ilya_Nsk
          Ilya_Nsk 13 June 2017 05: 18
          0
          And what could be better? He wants it, they’re like a drum, what way the earth wakes up cleansed of people. Still it would not have been bombed ...
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 10 June 2017 09: 41
      +27
      The LPR People's Republic of Moldova takes a “wait-and-see” position and, if the contacts under the Minsk agreements are not successful, they may well send the APU the same 100 meters back from Zhelobok and the altitude occupied by Bakhmutka.
      They will not be crowned, enough to wait for the weather by the sea, you need to answer. yes
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 10 June 2017 09: 58
        +9
        Quote: vovanpain
        They will not be crowned, enough to wait for the weather by the sea, you need to answer.

        They don’t hear it ...
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 10 June 2017 10: 08
          +18
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Don't hear it

          They all hear great brother. But they play their political games. Here I agree with Eugene.
          Quote: Finches
          I think that the Kremlin ordered to endure GDP before Trump ... And the Ukrainians have a different task, to provoke the militia to a tough answer in order to make a fuss and greatly complicate all possible compromises at this meeting in Ukraine and the situation in the Donbass.

          hi Now in Syria and the Donbass there is a movement, each side hides trump aces in the sleeves to throw at the right time, it’s only worthless that the peaceful suffer from merrymaking. what
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 10 June 2017 10: 15
            +12
            Quote: vovanpain
            sucks

            You put it very softly, brother ...
            1. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 10 June 2017 16: 16
              +3
              I apologize for getting in trouble, but if you say it as it is, you’ll get a warning in your mouth.
          2. 34 region
            34 region 10 June 2017 14: 38
            +11
            10.08/XNUMX. Vovanpine! In LDNR soon the population will not be left from constant shelling. What trump cards are there! In Syria, the US is already openly supporting ISIS. And Syria itself is already considered divided into economic zones of occupation. We’ll hang out with the USA for a while and each will have its own zones of influence. When everything is settled in Syria, it will explode elsewhere. Everything will go in order of priority. I doubt that we can put pressure on some calluses in the USA to give us their zones of influence. Who has money, he is the commander. Russia does not control the global financial system. Russia does not have its own international organizations (unions). The economy is far from the top lines. The elite with leadership is constantly mowing down on the USA. What trump cards can Russia lay out? Well, at least purely hypothetically? How often does Russia beat the USA?
          3. Lelek
            Lelek 11 June 2017 00: 35
            +3
            Quote: vovanpain
            shitty only that peaceful suffer from merrymaking


            Hey. The situation is further aggravated by the fact that, in violation of the moratorium on the supply of the junta of lethal weapons, the Yankees, through their "mongrels," still deliver ammunition to the Armed Forces (even prohibited).
        2. 210ox
          210ox 10 June 2017 10: 18
          +5
          Pasha, this is not for them .. To the performers .. In the Kremlin, the position is .. yes
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Quote: vovanpain
          They will not be crowned, enough to wait for the weather by the sea, you need to answer.

          They don’t hear it ...
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 10 June 2017 10: 30
            +21
            I’m far from the Kremlin, Dima ... But the fact that my ethnic compatriots perish in vain - fills my soul with more than just anger. This is hatred of the whole ukrohunt and Piglet, their meager puppeteers and all the creatures who are on their side! Sorry, the cry of the soul ........
          2. pahami
            pahami 10 June 2017 11: 08
            +3
            why the smiley "smugly sly smile"?
            like that because of the mythical hpp people die?
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        1. Kondratko
          Kondratko 10 June 2017 22: 43
          +1
          Zadrot, zhryno troll, kysh in the cache.
          Internet coupons issued?
    3. Vladimir 38
      Vladimir 38 10 June 2017 09: 42
      +17
      It all depends on the wisest, if he keeps his word and defends the Russians from the Nazis, then everything will end quickly, and if he mumbles or is silent, then everything will last for a long time and the Nazis will eventually get their way
      1. dorz
        dorz 10 June 2017 10: 05
        +4
        Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
        Not tired of taking a wait and see attitude?

        They have tied themselves and the “partners” with the Minsk agreements, in 100 years there will be results. sad
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 10 June 2017 10: 10
          +6
          Quote: dorz
          They have tied themselves and the “partners” with the Minsk agreements, in 100 years there will be results.

          You’re an optimist, my friend, I think this fire can only be extinguished now, and suddenly the slightest spark and everything will start anew. The war near the borders of Russia is very interesting to the West .........
        2. 210ox
          210ox 10 June 2017 10: 20
          +6
          As for the results .. And they can be for a couple of weeks .. Only not in favor of LDNR, if our leadership is concerned about the preservation of the face and the “inviolability” of the environment (by the way, covered up with “taking care of our own citizens”)
          Quote: dorz
          Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
          Not tired of taking a wait and see attitude?

          They have tied themselves and the “partners” with the Minsk agreements, in 100 years there will be results. sad
      2. juneart
        juneart 10 June 2017 14: 33
        +1
        Here are these kids, but in Koncha-Zaspu
        https://youtu.be/udHHDPyW-i0
        1. Windoffields
          Windoffields 10 June 2017 17: 22
          +4
          it's too late now. In the spring and summer of 14 there were enough 5 groups - not even specialists, but simply volunteers, as in Slavyansk - and the whole Southeast would MIRNOALLY leave Ukraine.
      3. Leon525
        Leon525 10 June 2017 14: 40
        +1
        Or maybe this is a multi-way move of an advanced strategy, are they also lackeys for bonded employers, or not?
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    4. Finches
      Finches 10 June 2017 09: 43
      +9
      I think that the Kremlin ordered to endure GDP before Trump ... And the Ukrainians have a different task, to provoke the militia to a tough answer in order to make a fuss and greatly complicate all possible compromises at this meeting in Ukraine and the situation in the Donbass.
      1. Vladimir 38
        Vladimir 38 10 June 2017 10: 10
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        I think that the Kremlin ordered to endure GDP before Trump ... And the Ukrainians have a different task, to provoke the militia to a tough answer in order to make a fuss and greatly complicate all possible compromises at this meeting in Ukraine and the situation in the Donbass.

        The trouble is that dual power and Trump will not decide anything in Omerik now.
        1. Finches
          Finches 10 June 2017 10: 17
          +3
          I don’t think that everything is so bad - yes, there are serious disagreements between Trump’s position and the democratic wing of the congress, but still the figure of the President in the USA is not so nominal - and it can be quite a lot, especially in the international arena!
          1. 34 region
            34 region 10 June 2017 14: 45
            +4
            10.17. Zyablitsov! Well, what will the world in LDN look like in the interests of the USA? The US has always strangled competitors, but then suddenly they will begin to help? Where is the peaceful development going on after the collapse of the USSR? On the contrary. The degree is growing.
            1. Finches
              Finches 10 June 2017 16: 05
              +2
              And here is the world ?? You need to hear the position of the United States from its current leader and explain to him what the problem is ...- that Ukraine does not fulfill its obligations and is constantly engaged in escalating the situation and provocations! If Trump’s position is as strenuous as Obama’s, then more decisive action options can be considered, and if not ... then it means looking for compromises!
              1. 34 region
                34 region 10 June 2017 16: 20
                +6
                16.05. Zyablitsov! You might think the United States does not know the problems! Especially those who themselves gave birth! From the change of US presidents their (US) policy does not change. Decisive options for action is the capture by the Russian army of Kiev? Capture is not a problem. What will happen next? Claims by private owners (affluent) to Russia for compensation for damage during hostilities. Economic recovery. Hostile underground. The reaction of the West. Although in the case of Georgia and Crimea, the West only flabbergasted. Just like in the 30s with the help of the Allies. Looking for compromises? Not for this Maidan started. Remains undercover work and the creation of a military underground suburbs. But we overslept it at once. Something Putin has jambs on the jamb. Though in domestic politics, even in foreign. Or maybe Putin is still a mole, and works in the interests of the United States?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 10 June 2017 17: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: Region 34
                  Or maybe Putin is still a mole, and works in the interests of the United States?


                  Eco, you, my friend, skidded ... laughing What do you propose to unleash the third world and enslave everyone? laughing
                  Donbass, unfortunately, was initially considered a bargaining chip for the Crimea ... but this does not mean that someone will give it or sell it. Let us not rush - we will wait for a personal meeting of two leaders who are decisive in this region! hi
                  1. 34 region
                    34 region 10 June 2017 18: 24
                    +3
                    17.26. Zyablitsov! The third world is already underway. And Donbass seems initially was not included in any plans. Just accidentally got out. Throw Donbass-fall in the eyes of the Russians. Take it like a Crimea-fall in the eyes of the West. The referendum was in the Crimea and in the LDP. Why was Crimea a part of Russia, but not LDNR? And the Russians live there and there. Why is LDNR fired upon, and Crimea not? So there were agreements on Crimea, but not on LDN !?
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 10 June 2017 18: 44
                      +1
                      To paraphrase Ostap Bender a bit, I would tell you that by chance only cats will be born ...! Okay! Thank you for the dialogue! hi
                2. Windoffields
                  Windoffields 10 June 2017 17: 27
                  +1
                  What will happen next?
                  Yes, nothing will happen !!! West outraged. In Little Russia we will carry out de-banderization. First of all, we need to restore our own economy. Instead of throwing money out for olympiads, championships and senseless renovations.
                3. Vladimir 38
                  Vladimir 38 11 June 2017 19: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: Region 34
                  Or maybe Putin is still a mole, and works in the interests of the United States?

                  Putin is certainly not a mole. I think this is a man who wants to get on the tree and don’t tear off his ass. But there are issues that need to be addressed, and not put off to posterity. But he doesn’t want, I think he’s afraid of his own and those of others ..
        2. karish
          karish 10 June 2017 10: 30
          +11
          Quote: Vladimir 38
          The trouble is that now in omerica dual power and Trump won't decide anything.

          belay
          Oh byad - byad.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 10 June 2017 13: 16
            +3
            Quote: karish
            Oh byad - byad.

            Well, Jewish hackers were not able to defeat the globalists. But the Russians everywhere succeeded. laughing
      2. Sharky
        Sharky 10 June 2017 10: 41
        +4
        I think that the Kremlin ordered to endure until the meeting of the GDP with Trump ...

        I talked with the militia, said that they are now strictly forbidden to use more or less serious weapons, only small arms. Like, an order from above ... But what is decided there above, we are not supposed to know mere mortals.
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    5. aleksfill
      aleksfill 10 June 2017 11: 14
      +5
      Statistics for calculating the number of shellings, mines, shells, captured meters
      Is this a report, a certificate of progress? To whom - the OSCE, or our Guarantor?
    6. cost
      cost 10 June 2017 11: 38
      +7
      What could end the battle under the groove?

      In an article with that title about how battles under the Groove might end, it’s simply not written recourse
    7. Young_Communist
      Young_Communist 10 June 2017 12: 17
      +6
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Not tired of “taking a wait-and-see attitude”? Maybe just changing the tactics to “three kilometers every day, and taking so much back your territory, take more, it will be even better for you yourself! !! By the way, about the birds — how is Zakharchenko there -Kiev regime probably already buried? ?? If a man, so let him answer for his words.

      Before conquering "three kilometers every day" and going to Kiev, to begin with, abolish customs between the LPR and the DPR?
    8. Leon525
      Leon525 10 June 2017 14: 33
      0
      Well, after all, it was with these “pa” that the padeh was written in Minsk rallies, such as “Take a step forward and two back.” That is, victory in ours and PEREMOCH in theirs, or not?
    9. alexander.arier
      alexander.arier 12 June 2017 12: 56
      0
      need volunteers. especially the generals of online careers.
  2. DEPARTMENT
    DEPARTMENT 10 June 2017 09: 39
    +16
    Last night, Ukrainian security forces continued shelling the territory of the DPR and LPR.

    They drink and then have fun ...
    I want to read such news: "The APU battery was destroyed in response to shelling of the DPR village," etc. go down to Zakharchenko’s ultimatum, like "If Bandera scum does not stop shelling settlements, Kyiv will be bombarded ..!"
    1. Puss in Boots
      Puss in Boots 10 June 2017 09: 43
      +7
      I imagine howl will rise to such statements fellow
      1. pahami
        pahami 10 June 2017 11: 16
        +6
        and now howl no?
    2. karish
      karish 10 June 2017 10: 02
      +15
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      to the ultimatum of Zakharchenko,

      Yes, about the ultimatums, he is sly
      1. MPK105
        MPK105 10 June 2017 10: 17
        +12
        He will soon take Berlin ... All relatives are laughing at his words when he returns from vacation ...
    3. Vasily V
      Vasily V 10 June 2017 10: 39
      +1
      Why Kiev is better than Lviv
      1. Bath
        Bath 10 June 2017 11: 02
        +1
        Better immediately Tegucigalpa)) dog brechet- Ukrainians are advancing
      2. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 10 June 2017 11: 05
        +7
        Quote: Vasily V
        Why Kiev is better than Lviv

        Kiev is the second Crimea will be for the revival of Russia! Something like this ...
        1. Catherine II
          Catherine II 10 June 2017 18: 06
          +1
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          Quote: Vasily V
          Why Kiev is better than Lviv

          Kiev is the second Crimea will be for the revival of Russia! Something like this ...

          Judging by the "successes", the Renaissance of Russia is postponed indefinitely ...
          planning horizon is low
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  3. 3vs
    3vs 10 June 2017 09: 55
    +6
    It is time to declare this power criminal and not legitimate.
    1. DF70
      DF70 10 June 2017 11: 49
      +2
      Quote: 3vs
      It is time to declare this power criminal and not legitimate.

      17 years old, but little help.
      1. Windoffields
        Windoffields 10 June 2017 17: 31
        0
        27 years already, but no sense.
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  4. Masya masya
    Masya masya 10 June 2017 09: 55
    +8
    if contacts under the Minsk agreements are not successful

    but they will not succeed, do not go to the grandmother ...
    they may well send the APU to the same 100 meters back from the Groove and the altitude occupied by Bakhmutka.

    can or will do, that’s the question ...
  5. ded100
    ded100 10 June 2017 09: 57
    +7


    Well, something like this can probably end
  6. Metronome
    Metronome 10 June 2017 10: 34
    +12
    As if the forces of LDNR can oppose something. The tactics of Ukraine are simple to impossibility - due to its mobresource, simply squeeze everyone from these territories step by step. Lao PDR has nothing to answer, since the human resource there is depleted every day.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 10 June 2017 13: 18
      +2
      Quote: Metronome
      The tactics of Ukraine are simple to impossibility - due to its mobresource, simply squeeze everyone from these territories step by step.

      Yes, you are a strategist. smile Sun Tzu and Clausewitz are resting. laughing
    2. Berkut752
      Berkut752 10 June 2017 15: 09
      +1
      Quote: Metronome
      As if the forces of LDNR can oppose something. The tactics of Ukraine are simple to impossibility - due to its mobresource, simply squeeze everyone from these territories step by step. Lao PDR has nothing to answer, since the human resource there is depleted every day.

      “In order to defeat the enemy, let him believe that you are weak, and then strike at the heart.”
      ―Karl von Clausewitz
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  7. anjey
    anjey 10 June 2017 10: 34
    0
    Quote: siberalt
    More than 1 million Ukrainians are in line for Russian citizenship. What else does Poroshenko achieve? Occupy an empty territory?
    there is no fury so bite-like a worm sharpens a healthy apple
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 June 2017 10: 36
    +9
    In Kuev, not everything is smooth ... People will try to squeal now, they will understand that they have cheated, and then what? Then then where? The 19th year - gasless, lightless, and debts to return. And there are also elections ... So they knit their people with blood and an abomination ... Finishing everything that remains ... For a couple of remaining years they will grovel the country - to the skeleton. And eat ... go. To warm countries. Therefore, the wait and see attitude of Russia. To smash this APU to smithereens in half - a lot of mind is not necessary. And to get 35 million parasites who quietly hate ALL Russian and sluggish partisan warfare, which the geyropa and other "Swedes" will be happy to support.
    "Scout feat" - patience, my friend, and your stubble will turn into gold ...
    1. megajob
      megajob 10 June 2017 11: 00
      +21
      That is, did I understand you correctly: now Ukria is ALREADY a busted economy with a huge number of ideological fascists and its Russia (leaders) do not want or cannot accept (seize) and therefore wait? And sho - through the "later" Ukraine will become with a better economy or ideological fascists somewhere will magically disappear? I remind you that ideological do not go on the attack and almost do not die !! Another year or two, and the Ukrainian economy will be 100% disconnected (lose ties) with Russia, all sane people will leave, and the unfortunate, murdered residents of Donbass will hate Russia as well as the Kiev fascists !! For the Kremlin and this is perfectly seen in the Donbass, uses the war as a bugbear and specifically imposes a continuation of the war !! For back in 2014-2015 they could have been “blown away" by the wind so that they would have reached the administrative borders, it would not have been necessary to throw huge amounts of money onto the bridge to the Crimea and onto the bypass road !! Yes, and the Dnieper was a real barrier to "toad jumping" and would sit Nazis on their banks quietly quietly !! But the Kremlin did not do this, and the inhabitants of Donbass who kill them every day know this very well !!
      So the Kremlin’s vision only leads to even bigger problems for Russia as a country. And I don’t have to ride on my ears here - “sanctions would have been announced to us”, announced for Abkhazia and Ossetia too, announced the same for Crimea, but they can’t impose more sanctions because sanctions are sanctions, a “trade blockade” can be regarded by us like a declaration of war and when there is "nothing to lose" then the mattresses will be "after the arrival of our nuclear weapons !! Yes, yes, I'm not crazy, and THERE up there understand this. And "Putin's endurance" is not his KhPP, but elementary cowardice. He let down the mattresses of the “Kursk” to the mattresses, lowered it for the Turks, the attack on our plane and the assassination of our military, to the Qatari mad shepherds -
      payment of acts of terrorism in Russia. Putin has not made a “sharp move” anywhere; he does not even cancel the sovereignty of the European courts (which is the highest disgrace for Russia) and he does not subordinate the Central Bank of the Russian Federation to the leadership of Russia !!
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        1. megajob
          megajob 10 June 2017 11: 36
          +19
          These are young (not an insult) people.
          You know, I’m going to "rave" a little now so don’t be surprised - Putin’s actions and the West’s actions in relation to him are very reminiscent of the KhPP only in the sense that Putin is a "Western man." Arguments - people with a very “unusual” surname Rothshelda lit up in the structures of Gazprom, before Putin arrived in NATO and the entire Western bloc, there was a strong tear on the subject of “why the hell should we be together” and “who are we afraid of next?” (the idea is afraid of terrorism - it didn’t work), after Putin arrived - Russia very quickly became the "enemy of the West No. 1" !! Russia, as it was a raw materials appendage of the West, has remained, no REAL actions to change the situation have occurred, Russia has not yet received sovereignty on its own Central Bank, there has been no return of judicial sovereignty, Russia is still under jurisdiction (!! !) to the European court !! Yes, and the 08/08/08 war is very strange: the 58th army trained for such an exponential way and it was posted that only a legitimate stupid person (sukashvilli) could believe that Russia would not fit in for the peacekeepers, it was very likely that Putin was “presented” with a small victorious war. Russia has not stopped "lending" its real money (we do not print dollars) to the United States instead of investing in manufacturing, medicine, and education in its country. And I have a lot of such "oddities."
          Maybe I do, but it all sounds like-that Putin "Gauleiter" once the territory of Russia. That is, its “owners” decided that it would be more expensive for them not to split Russia by the method of Chechnya (a la Yugoslavia), and since Putin, as their protege, allows them to rob Russia, the locals think "he is ours," as the loot for the pumped out resources leaked to West, and flow away.
          1. Berkut752
            Berkut752 10 June 2017 15: 21
            +1
            megajob, you are too naive, both in terms of economy, and even more so, especially in military terms.
            1. megajob
              megajob 10 June 2017 18: 53
              +7
              Of course, I am an amateur. Well, you clearly understand me more in economics, teach me stupid - why the Russian leadership with the “right hand” is privatizing state property under the slogan “we don’t have enough money for the budget”, and with the “left hand” these days, the USA gives 9 mrd. dollars in the guise of buying treasure? Ocean I want to hear a distinct and logical explanation.
              Maybe also in military matters "enlighten me"? wassat tongue
              1. Petrix
                Petrix 12 June 2017 13: 22
                0
                Bad or good Putin? A very diverse question. A person can change his mind as he understands the situation. We do not know what the runway thinks, what it is guided by, what its moral principles are, and when and in what direction its aspirations change.
                What does he control? Obviously not all. This must be taken into account. Those. for something you can demand more from him, for something less. You can start with the economy and then buy up the army, or vice versa.
                Why the West such a protege? Why not Gorbachev / Yeltsin No. 2? To create a "threat"? But a strong personality is a risk. It is possible to conduct an independent game.
                Why such a very tricky plan? Under Yeltsin in Syria, the West would hardly have problems and Crimea would be Ukrainian.
                Of course it is possible and even very likely that a hidden game is being played. But there, too, sheer mistrust, rivalry, and the deals "you are what we do, and we do this" are done to gain an advantage over other players.
                It’s impossible to take and do everything “perfectly” like this (by the way, an ideal is very subjective). A seriously ill patient must be taken out slowly. In the end, no one is safe from mistakes.
          2. Windoffields
            Windoffields 10 June 2017 17: 41
            +3
            write everything right. Only in the end I do not agree. Rather, Putin is now out of control governor of the province. He did everything as needed for the Overseas Empire, and then decided to buck up, shake his rights. The dream of the Russian elite is for the owners in the West to accept them as equals.
      2. Vpk72
        Vpk72 10 June 2017 11: 30
        +9
        Totally agree with you.
        It is surprising that hippshniki are still found on topwar.ru.
        Is this supernatural people or trolls on the drain of Dudayev?
    2. Bath
      Bath 10 June 2017 11: 08
      +10
      but why are you suddenly gasless without light? I’ve been hearing about this for three years, Ukrainians don’t freeze in any way))) and they don’t sit without light))) I’ll tell you a secret gasless, we just have the Voronezh region, the Krasnodar Territory partially licks on gas and drowns with wood)))
    3. Metronome
      Metronome 10 June 2017 11: 23
      +9
      The West will not allow Ukraine to become completely bankrupt, because much more is at stake than any Ukrainians and their well-being. The tasks to improve their lives are not worth it, and if the American plan is successfully implemented, this can only be an indirect consequence, or it may not be. You should proceed from this, starting to talk about the future. At this stage, a long-term policy on the de-Russification of the population is being implemented. It is clear that the generation of the 80s is unlikely to succeed in melting, except by war, but those born in the 90s and after, and especially their children who are now studying in kindergartens and elementary grades, will no longer identify themselves with Russia and feel at least some then involvement in Russian history, and there will be nothing to compare them with. And while everything is going according to plan. It will take more than one or two years, and not even ten, until the result manifests itself. Divide and rule. The United States has done exactly the same thing before, and will do so in the future.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 10 June 2017 13: 23
        0
        Quote: Metronome
        Divide and rule. The United States has done exactly the same thing before, and will do so in the future.

        Let's see how many are enough.
      2. Berkut752
        Berkut752 10 June 2017 15: 42
        +1
        Metronome, you are absolutely right, BUT, these are just WANTES AND NOT MORE. Read the historical documents of those who tried to do this.
        I recommend: “We met the Germans: uneducated, half-starved, many of us - angry at the Soviet regime. They expected that life under Hitler would be satisfying and not difficult. ” This is a quote from the book of the Kiev citizen Anatoly Kuznetsov "Babi Yar."
        You are writing about a new generation, but your attitude towards Ukrainians in Poland is like to poor relatives. The kinship between the two nations is recognized, but the Poles of Ukrainians do not consider themselves equal. You may recall that the word "b ..... lo" is Polish, and it was used by Polish landowners in relation to Ukrainian peasants. Since then, mores have softened, but the essence has remained the same.
        And when the Ukrainians understand this, then, as the “IRON CHANCELLOR” said OTTO VON BISMARK - A WEDGE BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE: Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decay of the main power of Russia. Russians, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, will just as quickly reunite with each other as particles of a cut piece of mercury. This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs.
        1. Windoffields
          Windoffields 10 June 2017 17: 50
          +1
          you are too optimistic, alas.
          The words of Bismarck by the way fake. They are true in essence - but fake. Trite because in the days of Bismarck, in the categories of Ukraine and Russia, no one thought. This is now Russia and the Volga region for example)
          and there is also the Ukrainian word lad - it’s Polish clap, i.e. serf, slave. So the Polish landowners called their RUSSIAN peasants.
      3. anjey
        anjey 10 June 2017 18: 06
        +3
        yes, the project "Ukraine" for the West is not brilliant but also unplayed, strategically justified: we have achieved the main goal - to poison, bind with blood and revenge for decades, to divide one brotherly people
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  9. Vasily V
    Vasily V 10 June 2017 10: 38
    +4

    It vaguely reminds me ...
  10. Makarov
    Makarov 10 June 2017 10: 55
    +7
    Question to the author of the article: So after all, WHAT CAN the battles under the Groove end?
    1. Windoffields
      Windoffields 10 June 2017 17: 45
      +4
      yes nothing. Back in the summer of 2014, it was clear that this war would end either in Kiev or in Moscow.
  11. Powerstep step
    Powerstep step 10 June 2017 10: 58
    +7
    Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from the side! From the side it can be seen that the Minsk agreements are that “gray zone” from which there is practically no way out, for all the time of their existence Kiev has not fulfilled any condition, this is an obvious conspiracy, so you must beat these ghouls without stopping and looking back at Minsk. .
    1. Aidarkuluy
      Aidarkuluy 10 June 2017 21: 25
      +1
      And who will beat it?
  12. Prutkov
    Prutkov 10 June 2017 11: 37
    +2
    Quote: Metronome
    The West will prevent Ukraine from becoming completely bankrupt, because much more is at stake than any Ukrainians and their well-being. The task of improving their lives is not worth it, and if the American plan is successfully implemented, this can only be an indirect consequence, or it may not be. You should proceed from this, starting to talk about the future. At this stage, a long-term policy on the de-Russification of the population is being implemented. It is clear that the generation of the 80s is unlikely to be able to melt something, except by war, but those born in the 90s and after, and especially their children, who are now studying in kindergartens and elementary grades, will no longer identify with Russia and feel at least some involvement in Russian history, and there will be nothing to compare them with. And while everything is going according to plan. It will take more than one or two years, and not even ten, until the result manifests itself.

    This is the whole calculation. Your West will need to feed 30 million people without any options to get their money back. Yes, and buy gas for Ukraine from Russia, because it is cheaper than any other. But Ukraine is not Greece; in a cardboard box you can’t winter without heat and electricity. In the EU, and without Independent problems enough. In the same Greece (a total of 8 million people) 350 mln of bad debts. And Ukraine 3-4 times more. If you want to spend resources aimlessly - please.
    1. Metronome
      Metronome 10 June 2017 11: 40
      +6
      There is a wise rule - you need to give as much as a loan as it is not a pity to lose. Everyone understands that there will be no refund in the foreseeable future. In such cases there is no place for situational, emotional or impulsive decisions, only cold calculation and calculation of all existing risk factors. For the EU and the US, a couple of billion a year is not money. As for gas, the United States is right now re-preserving gas storages and is already cramping the Russian gas consumer market in the EU, Poland and Germany are switching to liquefied gas. Used some powerful leverage. Perhaps they received for this cancellation of debts on NATO or received other preferences of an economic nature.
    2. megajob
      megajob 10 June 2017 19: 28
      +3
      Here I am accused above of "misunderstanding the economy", but let me even correct something from you on the "incomprehensible" side. For the first - the West is not going to "feed" the inhabitants of Ukraine, even if they (and already are, albeit in extremely small numbers) die of starvation or freeze to death, then the collective West is FUCKING !! It’s the same as they don’t give a shit about the millions of people killed in Africa and dying of hunger there. Ukraine is not Norway or mountain Mongolia — it can grow and even feed a wild boar to feed itself. And Ukraine pays for gas. You ask "yes, in what way?" , and the answer to the monstrous is simple - "if not enough what on allthen this what then get more or these all “make less.” Look at the open data on the volumes of gas purchased by Ukraine (!!) - be surprised by the rapid decline.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 10 June 2017 22: 49
        0
        megajob will support your position. The current economic model refers to the real development of the economy in the same way as astrology to astronomy. The essence of the processes is extremely simple: the West destroys states and peoples. Terrorism is the weapon of the globalists created for these purposes. They all know, but only under the good slogans is the greedy wolf face. Russian in Ukraine is destroyed by all means, their task is to leave only slaves in a minimal amount. In general, there is a repeat of Bandera, to suppress the protests of the population, the Nazis used Bandera punitive detachments, which served in the hope of becoming masters, but as a result they were sent to concentration camps, the same thing awaits the current creatures-the West will then refuse them. History repeats itself: there is no Hitler, but today the USA and the EU are successfully applying its methodology. In addition to the execution of the Donbass and the utilization of opposing forces, there is terror inside Ukraine, and people simply die from the cold, malnutrition and disease — these are the goals that the West pursues in relation to Ukraine. And what can the Russian Federation do? Those rudiments of economic processes that have not yet been destroyed are in the hands of a handful of representatives of big business who have all the capital in the west, and for the safety of their wallets, they will easily destroy the country, but they do not need people, which they do not hide, their task is to curry favor in front of the owners. Look at the Crimea: yes, they know that they have left the Ukrainian nightmare, and appreciate that life is the main value, but they also live not just easy, and then there IS DAM - "there is no money, but you hold on." I don’t see the KhPP, there is a hopelessness: the country's economy is in the hands of supranational structures. Thanks to the reformers.
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  14. Prutkov
    Prutkov 10 June 2017 12: 07
    +1
    Quote: Metronome
    There is a wise rule - you need to give as much as a loan as it is not a pity to lose. Everyone understands that there will be no refund in the foreseeable future. In such cases there is no place for situational, emotional or impulsive decisions, only cold calculation and calculation of all existing risk factors. For the EU and the US, a couple of billion a year is not money. As for gas, the United States is right now re-preserving gas storages and is already cramping the Russian gas consumer market in the EU, Poland and Germany are switching to liquefied gas. Used some powerful leverage. Perhaps they received for this cancellation of debts on NATO or received other preferences of an economic nature.

    I remember this is your thought that "as long as you need to feed Ukraine will be free." In Poland and Germany - debts written off - lost money. Keep on throwing money away.
    1. Metronome
      Metronome 10 June 2017 12: 23
      +3
      As one person said: "It’s a pity that you consider it money." Everything is relative and not everything is measured in money. And so it’s cheaper than fighting.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 10 June 2017 13: 26
        +1
        Quote: Metronome
        Everything is relative and not everything is measured in money.

        And what does the West have any other scrapes besides money? smile
        1. Metronome
          Metronome 10 June 2017 13: 29
          +12
          Some of them are, if all of yours are stealing in Russia, but they are fleeing to spend in Europe and the USA, equipping themselves with a reserve airfield for a future peaceful life. And as something grabs on the side, they don’t go to the district clinic to the district clinic, but rush to the best clinic in Israel or Europe .. winked Something I do not observe the Europeans or Americans who keep the money stolen from the state in rubles and in Russian banks, buy real estate near Orel, and go to Tambov for treatment.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 10 June 2017 19: 54
            +1
            Quote: Metronome
            Some are

            What kind? You now only talked about money. laughing There is no money and all the braces are over. laughing
  15. samarin1969
    samarin1969 10 June 2017 12: 50
    +6
    The battles near Zholobok will end only when the very “someone” who forbids the militias to arrange a “toad” “fire bag” leaves.
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      1. staviator
        staviator 10 June 2017 22: 41
        +2
        Does Ukraine have an army? belay
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LpVELrO9ac
  16. Music
    Music 10 June 2017 14: 36
    +4
    Everything depends on football. If it is more important, then Debaltseve will give
  17. gendowar
    gendowar 10 June 2017 15: 59
    0
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    It’s impossible, we’re still not ready for the “cunning plan”.

    If nothing happens on Russian Day, after June 15, the Kremlin will trample on Kiva !!!
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  19. Zheka Zheka_2
    Zheka Zheka_2 10 June 2017 18: 23
    +13
    I live in the LPR. All these Minsk agreements go sideways exclusively and completely only for residents of LDNR. The long-term benefit of them for LDNR is very doubtful, but tangible material and, most important, moral losses have already been reached. The Kiev authorities, on the contrary, benefit from this uncertain situation in which, on the one hand, they practically shell the LDP populated areas with impunity, and on the other hand, the SBU and the law enforcement officers oppress, rob and destroy the pro-Russian majority in the occupied territories of LDP. People hate all these Minsk agreements in LDNR as criminal and anti-people.
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      1. Zheka Zheka_2
        Zheka Zheka_2 10 June 2017 23: 39
        +3
        I put on Ukraine and her love. I don’t understand why Moscow doesn’t allow the BCH to fully respond to the Khokhlobanderites’s attacks on the cities, and the attacks of the LPR positions.
  20. Michael_59
    Michael_59 10 June 2017 18: 51
    +5
    Quote: siberalt
    More than 1 million Ukrainians are in line for Russian citizenship. What else does Poroshenko achieve? Occupy an empty territory?


    Ukrainian and Russian are one and the same thing for a Zhidobander, which means that they must be killed.
    The destruction of the Slavs is their goal.
    Russian land is their goal.
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  21. friend of animals
    friend of animals 10 June 2017 18: 57
    +3
    The battles will not end in anything, this is the second Transnistria. For a long time nobody’s territory with a long lousy life.
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  22. victorrat
    victorrat 10 June 2017 19: 12
    +1
    And it won’t end in any way,
    everything is familiar, as if everyday life,
    shot again and someone writhes,
    and a tear, but tubers are sown.

    For the living, hope is like a ray.
    Among the smoky bloody conflagrations
    death will be for the fellow traveler,
    this creepy habitual comrade.

    And they will ascend, shoots will shoot up.
    Out in the field, as before, yell.
    Here is a Russian breed
    take their land back.

    It’s not been like that anymore
    There were hordes of black clouds.
    but their bodies are covered with grass,
    so these will get it.
  23. core
    core 10 June 2017 20: 57
    +2
    WHAT WOULD NOT PROVOKE, YOU SHOULD RESPOND TO PROVOCATIONS. THEN AND DESIRE WILL NOT.
  24. VadimSt
    VadimSt 10 June 2017 20: 58
    +3
    .... and occupied by Bakhmutka heights
    There are the heights of that one, with a difference above the track in 5-10 meters, more importantly different, it is 300 meters from the track and, in fact, the track is shot through even from a small one. And if they let you create a platoon or company OP - zvizdets. Have to smoke with the "blood".
  25. Casablanca 62
    Casablanca 62 10 June 2017 22: 24
    +1
    Quote: Aidarkuluy
    Poroshenko has already achieved a visa-free regime for Ukraine

    and who is waiting for them in Europe without dough? and with money and with a visa you can have a great time
    1. staviator
      staviator 10 June 2017 23: 25
      +2
      He didn’t get it, but he begged for it, without the visa-free visa promised to the people, it was really hard for him. Although he gave the people of Ukraine, it was completely incomprehensible. He could have left either to Russia or to Geyropa before, and after the adoption of the law on the free circulation of weapons in Ukraine, when this mass will rush with ATO weapons, visa-free travel will go into oblivion. What Europeans said right away, and after that you can even build a wall.
  26. Zheka Zheka_2
    Zheka Zheka_2 10 June 2017 23: 42
    +3
    While here theorizing about the prospects right now, Bandera ironing Zhelobok, Donetsk, and have already arrived in Kirovsk .....
  27. DPN
    DPN 11 June 2017 07: 01
    +2
    These battles can end only with the defeat of the LPR, the revolutionary fuse is gone, the people must be tired and soon he will be fucked at what kind of power they just wouldn’t shoot. The Minsk agreements are not beneficial for Ukraine, and that’s it. There will be an option for Syria, the United States will help Ukraine, and Russia will show its military equipment on TV as it is now. It is necessary to beat in the face or wipe the snot that is happening now.
  28. Pivasik
    Pivasik 11 June 2017 11: 20
    +1
    We need Ukraine, at least within the borders of the Dnieper.
  29. severe tanker
    severe tanker 11 June 2017 11: 25
    +1
    you can kick me, but I think we should ask the leaders of the LDNR. What kind of waiting position when people die? How shoud I understand this? let them die, if only the world would not say anything bad about us. Yes to all the leaders of the poher countries. Poros (sh) enko understood this for a long time
  30. p-evgeniy87
    p-evgeniy87 11 June 2017 11: 42
    +1
    Since all Minsk assemblies are empty talk, it’s better to level the battery of Dobrobats a couple of times with the ground - at once everyone will want peace! Or LDNR advised a policy of 1941. if only there was no noise!