So who is in the span of the Stockholm arbitration - Gazprom or Naftogaz?

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Stormy emotions over the decision of the Stockholm arbitration on the gas dispute between the Ukrainian "Naftogaz" and the Russian "Gazprom." Emotions were so turbulent that Naftogaz was typical for modern Ukraine, without going into the letter of documents submitted by arbitration, and reading the text diagonally, hitting himself with a heel in the chest, sounded the incredible success of the campaign against the Russian gas giant.

The phrases "we broke the back of Gazprom," and "a little more, and Russia will begin to transfer billions to us," crowned with cries of frantic peremog. Gazprom was silent. Meanwhile, the Naftogaz management was handing out interviews, a spokesman, wiping sweat from a happy forehead, ran from one microphone to another, from briefing to interview and back. And Gazprom was silent again. Already in Russia, representatives of the “vsepropalo” section began to congratulate Naftogaz on their victory, expressing in their hearts about the “loss” of Gazprom. Gazprom was silent here too.



So who is in the span of the Stockholm arbitration - Gazprom or Naftogaz?


And in Naftogaz, scratching their heads, they began to wonder: why is Miller’s company silent, although it has to tear its hair in all places, beat its head against the wall and look for a revolver loaded with one cartridge. And someone most intelligent in Naftogaz decided that Gazprom was silent for a reason. And as soon as he decided, the cleverest were drawn to re-read the essence of the conclusions of the Stockholm arbitration. And what is hidden in these documents? In order.

So, the main reason for peremog announced by Naftogaz was that the Stockholm arbitration allegedly canceled the “take or pay” contract that was previously entered into the contract on the basis of Gazprom’s claims. The meaning is simple: I ordered some gas volumes - pay for gas volumes, even if you did not use them. It looks tough enough, but no one was forced to sign this contract at gunpoint - they signed it, so be so kind as to execute. Now it turns out that the take-or-pay principle has not been canceled by the Stockholm Arbitration ...

Deputy Chairman of the Board of Gazprom, Alexander Medvedev:
It (the arbitration decision) did not abolish the “take or pay” principle. There is no cancellation of take-or-pay.


And this is from the release of Naftogaz, which had run pretty ahead, some time before Medvedev’s comment:
Stockholm arbitration dismissed Gazprom’s take-or-pay claims. Our company should not 44 billion dollars, which are demanded of us by Gazprom.


All that was missing was the shout "Glory to Ukraine" at the end.

Even Ukrainian economic law experts frankly tracked Naftogaz, announcing the outstanding abilities of its lawyers who only “had enough” hours to thoroughly study more than the 700-page document of the Stockholm arbitration and draw all the necessary conclusions. And while “Naftogaz” practiced in eloquence about where to now “spend” non-existent 44 billion dollars, Gazprom's lawyers studied the materials of the decision. And the materials stated that the item "take or pay" is canceled only in part of the provisions of the contract - in particular, when the volume of unused gas is not less than the specified value. What is the value is not reported. However, it is known that about any “gifts” in the form of revocation (or rather, a ban) of claims in the amount of 44 billion dollars is out of the question.

By the way, in the world practice there are quite a few cases when the principle of “take or pay” is realized in the case when the buying party performs less than 80% of the volume of purchases from the contracted ones. If we are guided by this value, then Naftogaz remains “on the counter” of Gazprom over the past few years, since it unilaterally rejected those procurement volumes that were prescribed in the contract. I bought obviously less than 80% of contract volumes.

By the way, the president of Ukraine and his entourage, as you know, intend to initiate an inspection of the head of “Batkivschyna”, Yulia Tymoshenko, for “high treason”. Poroshenkovtsy incriminates the ex-premier of Ukraine, who at one time signed the contract, “anti-Ukrainian activities”. Like, deliberately signed the same contract, which is now being discussed in Ukraine almost as the main negative of the last 20 years. Moreover, the representative of the Bloc of Petro Poroshenko in the Rada I. Gerashchenko announced that it was precisely because of the contract signed by Tymoshenko with the Russian Federation in Ukraine that the war broke out.

All these statements draw special attention to themselves also because Tymoshenko was sent to prison almost in due time on similar charges, but only from Viktor Yanukovych and his entourage. In the biography of Tymoshenko, there is a case called “under the gas contract with Russia from 19.01.2009”.

Surprisingly, isn't it ... Yulia Tymoshenko was condemned under Yanukovich, including the very contract, then her “democratic forces” (including Mr. Poroshenko) were declared a political prisoner, and then - after Yanukovych's flight - they were released from prison wheelchair rolled onto the Maidan scene as a symbol of the victory of the "new" forces. And now these very “new” forces are telling the whole world that it would be a good idea to put Tymoshenko back into jail for signing a contract on gas supplies from Russia. Is it really that? Does Poroshenkovtsy have a very short memory, and they have forgotten that Tymoshenko did not end up in the colony as a “political victim”, but precisely as a “signer” of the very same contract? Or if Poroshenko now stumbles a political rival behind bars, then it cannot be considered a political prisoner, since Pyotr Alekseevich is a purely European, democratic leader, and not some tyrant, retrograde, Kremlin agent Yanukovych ...

However, it is worth returning to the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. "Naftogaz" cheerfully reported that the arbitrators ordered Gazprom to reconsider gas prices under the contract. Here you can not argue - indeed, there is such - obliged. That's just “Naftogaz” demanded a revision of prices for the last 7 years, and the Stockholm arbitration decided that the revision of prices from the time of the victory of the Maidan will be enough - from 2014 year.

Interestingly, the Stockholm Arbitration, in fact, having decided not to reconsider the price before 2014, takes the side of Gazprom. The fact is that it was Gazprom that, under Yanukovych, demanded that Kiev pay for gas at the price specified in the contract, and Kiev paid at a price that it actually determined for itself. During that time, Kiev saved up more than a billion dollars on contractual non-payment alone. It turns out that Ukraine will have to return this amount. And if you consider that since 2014, Ukraine has almost completely stopped paying for gas, then it will have to fork out not only for the volumes received from Russia, but also to fork out in the format of the “partially” realizable take-or-pay principle that Stockholm has kept in force.

In general, the Maidan specialists ran ahead of the locomotive, and forgot the wise saying of the classic: “How good to be able to read!”

Another thing is that even if they read it, they think they will pay something? - at least in the foreseeable future. I do not think so, let it be my purely subjective opinion. After all, everything will be done to merge again. For this there is a set of marked cards in the form: “Russia is an aggressor”, “Russia cannot be paid, since these were agreements with the bloody regime”, etc. Well, the West will once again support it, until it directly confronts this impenetrable farmhouse (and Kiev now really resembles the village in terms of its “policy”) mentality, when it does not receive not only the promised reforms, but also the money given in loans. They will chew snot and prove that they did not have enough funds for democracy ...
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  1. +14
    8 June 2017 06: 08
    I don’t even want to comment, sickeningly
    1. +14
      8 June 2017 12: 13
      So who is in the span of the Stockholm arbitration - Gazprom or Naftogaz?
      Gazprom do not touch! this is a "public treasure"! am lol
      1. +8
        8 June 2017 12: 46
        Yes, such a small people, a man like that with a thousand.
        1. +14
          8 June 2017 12: 50
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Gazprom do not touch! this is a "public treasure"!


          That’s not even the point, but you can’t even talk about pig-breeds

          Western jurisprudence in a difficult situation

          - on the one hand, the law and sacred law of the contract (pillars of Western values)
          - with a different policy

          hit ....
          1. +2
            8 June 2017 14: 21
            attitude to ukraine (in arbitration) depends on %% profit from ukria itself. if you don’t deflate anything, let them go back “into slavery to the Horde”. But everywhere and everyone feels sorry for the money to give.
            It was bad with arithmetic at Petya's school.
        2. 0
          8 June 2017 15: 32
          And you don’t want half a million.
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      3. +1
        8 June 2017 13: 34
        Andrey Yuryevich !!!! You, dear, have not confused anything with the "public domain?" winked
        1. +21
          8 June 2017 14: 05
          I know the solution:

          Extracting your gas
    2. +5
      8 June 2017 14: 26
      Quote: Marmalade
      I don’t even want to comment, sickeningly

      Reading about Gazprom, I recall the old Russian proverb "The quieter the whirlpool, the more professional the devils in it." Or here’s another Afghan proverb: “Maybe you have a watch, but we have time.”
    3. +1
      8 June 2017 22: 31
      Quote: Marmalade
      I don’t even want to comment, sickeningly

      You can only comment on the text of the court decision, it is clear that the requirements are partially satisfied.
      And in the materials it is stated that the “take or pay” item is canceled only in part of the provisions of the contract - in particular, when the volume of unused gas is not less than the established value. What is the value, not yet reported. By the way, in world practice there are many cases where the “take or pay” principle is implemented in the case when the purchaser makes less than 80% of the volume of purchases from the contracted.

      Fortune telling ...
      Naftogaz has demanded a price review for the last 7 years, and the Stockholm arbitration decided that a revision of prices since the victory of the Maidan will be enough - from 2014 of the year.

      The only information that can be discussed ...
      The most cruel thing is that Merkel demanded that Tymoshenko be freed most of all, isn’t it strange, nor is she an agent of the Kremlin ... (Germany and Nord Stream - 2 are the main consumers of energy pressures primarily for Germany)? And aren’t Y. Tymoshenko prepared for the role of the future President of Ukraine?
      1. +1
        9 June 2017 15: 31
        Everything is clear.
  2. +27
    8 June 2017 06: 26
    The West will now twist out as if the "face" is not lost. And it’s time for Gazprom to say: "There is no money - pay in kind. (Do not offer Julia)" wassat
    1. +4
      8 June 2017 06: 49
      We are such a nature (Julia which) and it is free for nothing, and not for free ... laughing
    2. +10
      8 June 2017 08: 19
      So after that, Julia and signed a take-or-pay contract laughing
      1. +9
        8 June 2017 10: 36
        Quote: siberalt
        So after that, Julia and signed a take-or-pay contract

        took ... laughing
        1. +1
          8 June 2017 20: 23
          Well yes! And the braid has braided. laughing
        2. 0
          12 June 2017 07: 46
          ... She repeated the "feat" of Monica Livinsky ...)))
    3. avt
      +12
      8 June 2017 09: 24
      Quote: Egoza
      The West will now twist out as if the "face" is not lost.

      Yes, they whistle in their face, but they want to ruin the entire system of legal relationships in business with an inadequate decision, well, to frighten Russia, it’s scary, because then all the crap will be in your own pocket. It’s like with a London court of 3 billion. When they offered to give Russia a deal that insured the money from a guarantor, quietly, but the GDP went further and played the game with the court. bully Well, great-eye ..... well, banderlog. What to take from them? They don’t read anything at all, they just jump, and in fact as with eurointegration. When Ssynukovich just read something and was horrified just before signing. Raguli.
      1. +1
        8 June 2017 14: 34
        Quote: avt
        Quote: Egoza
        The West will now twist out as if the "face" is not lost.

        Yes, they whistle in their face, but they want to ruin the entire system of legal relationships in business with an inadequate decision, well, to frighten Russia, it’s scary, because then all the crap will be in your own pocket. It’s like with a London court of 3 billion. When they offered to give Russia a deal that insured the money from a guarantor, quietly, but the GDP went further and played the game with the court. bully Well, great-eye ..... well, banderlog. What to take from them? They don’t read anything at all, they just jump, and in fact as with eurointegration. When Ssynukovich just read something and was horrified just before signing. Raguli.

        (Sarcasm) Well, what are you, "my friend" about the "great" and "mighty" so that is because Brother Yushchenko announced that even the Greeks spoke at surzhik.
        Now everything fell into place! MayDown is not a random pun.
        And you thought, why Ukraine itself bury itself in the ground with the stubbornness of a maniac?
        Why is the leadership and management of this country continuous degenerates, downs, imbeciles, stupid people, schizophrenics?
        And you can’t argue against symbols.

        As it turned out, the yellow-blue colors of the national flag of Ukraine fully correspond to the colors of the official symbol of patients with Down syndrome - a yellow-blue ribbon.
        1. avt
          0
          8 June 2017 17: 57
          Quote: Berkut752
          because brother Yushchenko announced that even the Greeks spoke on surzhik.

          In fact, it was Diogenes who specifically spoke and introduced the mov. By the way, this is the same brother who talked about the fact that the Germans taught his dad in Auschwitz to drink good coffee .... probably such torture was a mockery of prisoners in the death camp - to drink them with natural coffee.
    4. +2
      8 June 2017 12: 14
      Quote: Egoza
      (Julia does not offer) "

      Elena! Well, you don’t like it .... but someone might do it .... belay
    5. +5
      8 June 2017 15: 31
      Quote: Egoza
      No money - pay in kind. (Julia does not offer) "wassat

      Duc, they will not offer it, because they themselves need it to land, - apparently this is her karma. Yes If they close it, I’ll order the song “Kolchik, pierce me the domes ...” on some “Thieves Radio” for her. But, in general, Julia is a living illustration of the statement that if you wear a rope on your head for a long time, then sooner or later this rope will slide down your neck.
      1. +2
        8 June 2017 17: 18
        you don’t touch Julia, just a little more and she will be able to say to herself:
        “I always sat. I sat under Alexander the Second“ Liberator ”, under Alexander the Third“ Peacemaker ”, under Nicholas the Second“ Bloody ”. Under Kerensky, I also sat. While under military communism, I didn’t sit at all, pure commerce disappeared, not it was work. But how I sat at NEP! How I sat at NEP! Those were the best days of my life! "
        if imprisoned, it will be a joke of all times and peoples
        for sitting?
        -for the contract.
        -What have you released?
        -for the contract.
        -What have you planted?
        -for the contract
        -What have you released?
        -for the contract
        and so on ad infinitum ..

        Z.Y. there is a feeling that she will outlive ALL of them ....
  3. +4
    8 June 2017 07: 02
    Again zradoperemoga? Or remagazrada? How many are still on the thorny path of maydaunov!
    1. avt
      +5
      8 June 2017 09: 28
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Or remagazrada?

      While peremogazrada, while the entire text of the INTERMEDIATE court decision is not read. then, when they get to the counter, there will be a hickey ..... without a peer-mogue. And there at least it’s not the Raguli on the Ruin, they say, it hangs $ 1.4-2 without penalty for late payment. This is something from which Ukrainians themselves admit - getting rid of raguls is by no means possible without restructuring, or writing off GDP at goodwill.
  4. +9
    8 June 2017 07: 33
    “How good to be able to read!”

    or better yet, understand what you’re reading ... they have problems with that ...
    1. +8
      8 June 2017 13: 29
      Quote: Masya Masya
      or better yet, understand what you're reading ..

      Marina, love so it’s hard to translate from English to mov, but now they either don’t want to read in “Separa” or are afraid. So the difficulties of translation fellow so to speak on the face laughing
      1. +5
        8 June 2017 13: 39
        so from English to mov it’s difficult to translate

        Poroshenko urged everyone and everyone to learn this very English one ... they don’t want to sabotage ... everything and all separs and agents of the Kremlin !!! wink
    2. 0
      8 June 2017 15: 35
      Gazprom claims were reduced ten or more times. This is too much
      1. +4
        8 June 2017 21: 25
        Quote: Ken71
        Gazprom claims reduced ten or more times

        A preliminary decision? That is, not yet final. Have you already counted ?, and it’s very interesting how did you calculate all this? Or maybe the beam will wait for the final verdict of the court? Then it will be clear
        1. 0
          9 June 2017 00: 05
          You have not read the article. Or read but did not understand. Or they understood but patriotism does not allow to be measured.
          1. +3
            9 June 2017 05: 48
            Quote: Ken71
            You have not read the article

            Was reading. The article is far from complete, laid out in a truncated version, so to speak. If you really are interested, then. rummage around in the open spaces, you will find a lot of interesting and more specific things, in particular on this issue.
            Quote: Ken71
            Or they understood but patriotism does not allow to be measured.

            And what does patriotism have to do with it? And where does humility? Before you hang up labels, you need to take a more or less thorough look at the issue and do not make hasty conclusions. Something like this!
  5. +1
    8 June 2017 09: 10
    a spokesperson, wiping sweat from a happy forehead, ran from one microphone to another, from an interview briefing and back.

    ... and now let him wipe his snot laughing laughing laughing ... saucepan-they are without brains bully ...
  6. +3
    8 June 2017 09: 46
    The take-or-pay scheme is not from a good life. It is technologically not possible to reduce or increase the production of gas from a well instantly, only to jam it.
  7. +1
    8 June 2017 10: 00
    So who is in the span of the Stockholm arbitration - Gazprom or Naftogaz?

    The answer to this question will become clear in about six months. And now, why not spawn.
  8. +4
    8 June 2017 10: 17
    And in the materials it is stated that the “take or pay” item is canceled only in part of the provisions of the contract - in particular, when the volume of unused gas is not less than the established value.

    Extremely vague phrase! Volume set by whom?
    That is, nevertheless, the court has the right to cancel the provisions of the contract in accordance with the law!
    This is complete nonsense - if the contract was concluded by the free will of the parties.
    1. +2
      8 June 2017 11: 09
      Precedents create the West master, because
      When a gentleman begins to lose, he changes the rules

      but here they are lost, because then you can stay completely without money and not only without Ukrainian ones.
    2. 0
      9 June 2017 00: 08
      If stupid people from Gazprom's legal department gave arbitration to Swedish law with its principle of fairness of the transaction and not of the form, then this is the problem of their professional suitability.
  9. +1
    8 June 2017 10: 31
    Peremoga has grown into zrada.
  10. +3
    8 June 2017 10: 57
    I have no desire to teach GP lawyers, but .... If a court finds holes in the contract (as well as any of the parties to its signatories can freely interpret it), then this speaks only of one thing - a document with a sweetheart.
    1. +1
      8 June 2017 12: 28
      And where did you see a hint of holes in the contract? It is clear that none of the negotiators saw the document itself. But Stockholm, it seems, has no complaints about the points in the contract, and specifically, for political reasons, it is trying to cover up the ruin, but at the same time not create a headache for itself in the future. And therefore, by analogy with previously concluded contracts, the take-and-pay principle limits 80% of the contract volume. That is, if you choose 80% or more, it means that you are free from paying the difference between 100% and the selected volume. This will not help the ruin, but, it seems, the "dermocratic court" towards the "dermocratic" territory (to call the country - the language does not turn), has gone.
      Simple, legal, t.s. collision, nothing more.
  11. +3
    8 June 2017 12: 11
    in the span we at Khokhlov have gas supply to everyone and we drown with firewood.
    but on gazPREM and naftogaz I somehow somehow have nothing to do with any one
  12. +1
    8 June 2017 12: 21
    Yulka Timosheko will be imprisoned again! Until the next Maidan, then they will again roll out on the Louboutins!
    1. jjj
      +1
      8 June 2017 13: 41
      They will prove that under Yanukovych she started to play for political reasons. And now he will sit down on the economic side
  13. 0
    8 June 2017 12: 27
    Here it is (Yulia Tymoshenko was condemned under Yanukovych, including for the same contract, then her "democratic forces" (including Mr. Poroshenko) were declared a political prisoner, and then - after Yanukovych escaped - they were released from the colony and rolled out to the Maidan in a wheelchair scene as a symbol of the victory of "new" forces).
    And why did the Bandera junta need to release Tymoshenko from prison, which had sat down for such a treacherous contract. And there is no need, since Svidomo people first think with their ass, after some time having sensed something amiss, they start to think with their heads. But in this case, the ass does not lose its significance.
  14. +2
    8 June 2017 12: 31
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    in the span we at Khokhlov have gas supply to everyone and we drown with firewood.
    but on gazPREM and naftogaz I somehow somehow have nothing to do with any one

    Is Gazprom more interested in gasifying Europe than the Russians will pay? Rubles? So, Gazprom does not need rubles, give them the Euro.
    -I will add only the following; Before the events on the Maidan, gas in Ukraine was cheaper than in Russia. For legal entities I will not say, but for individuals for sure.
    Here is a "National Property"
    1. +2
      8 June 2017 13: 35
      Quote: Guru
      Before the events on the Maidan, gas in Ukraine was cheaper than in Russia. For legal entities I will not say, but for individuals for sure.

      for the population, the state subsidized. Wait, they gave up this disastrous business and even made domestic gas (we extract 8 billion cubic meters) at a European price ... + transportation costs (also European)
      and no subsidies!
      And before 2013, the price for the population was one of the points of the game in the social state represented by the "heap of Ukraine" Yanukovych and Azarov ... the truth is that they have accumulated debts .. it is not known what is better - to save debts with subsidies to the population or to save debts without + debts inside .. there wasn’t a woman’s grief a woman bought a piglet (relevant in every sense)
    2. +2
      8 June 2017 15: 15
      Quote: Guru
      I will add only the following; Before the events on the Maidan, gas in Ukraine was cheaper than in Russia. For legal entities I will not say, but for individuals for sure.
      Here is a "National Property"

      that's what I'm writing about
      it would be better for gasprom to gasify Russia, otherwise it all resembles the situation in the Russian Empire, we sold wheat, but at the same time the Russian peasant lived half-starving, it might be better to make his country self-sufficient, and after all the "brothers" to sponsor
  15. +3
    8 June 2017 12: 43
    In the span we, the people of Russia.
    1. +1
      8 June 2017 13: 26
      I agree that in the span all nations except A ..........
  16. +2
    8 June 2017 12: 44
    The whole government of Ukraine has gone crazy, I want to ask everything, but are they healthy? What about the little heads, what do they now reckon on, they should all over the world, but will they have to give or will sue all of Europe too? Ukraine will roll to the abyss, what will happen to them if they do not stop in time.
    1. 0
      8 June 2017 15: 20
      Quote: Elena Izyumova
      The whole government of Ukraine has gone crazy, I want to ask everything, but are they healthy?
      They must all over the world, but will they have to give, or will they also sue all of Europe?

      so give it not to them, spotted with comrades yes and EBN also scored debts
  17. 0
    8 June 2017 12: 57
    Quote: Guru
    -I will add only the following; Before the events on the Maidan, gas in Ukraine was cheaper than in Russia. For legal entities I will not say, but for individuals for sure.
    Here is a "National Property"

    There is such a WTO organization from which we cannot make prices in the country lower) which dragged us there
  18. +4
    8 June 2017 12: 59
    Yes, Ukrainians should, and I think, well, let's say somewhere in the amount of 5-6 billion dollars. But let us take a look at the other side and read what GLAZIEV says adviser to President Putin. And he says - THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE AND THE STATE BANK OF RUSSIA SINCE 1994 TO 2016, ANNUAL TAKE-OFF THE ANNUAL STATE ANNUAL REPORT. US AND EUROPEAN BONDS FOR THE AMOUNT OF 100 BILLION DOLLARS. Those. 22 trillion dollars were officially exported in 2.2 years, and Putin’s rule fell 16 years, apart from his reign in 1999 as prime minister under Yeltsin, which means that 1.6 trillion dollars were exported under Putin. The states hostile to Russia were exported and financed. But Ukraine is a native Russian land and Russians live there. It turns out that Russia finances, by and large, enemies than obvious relatives, which already speaks of the people in Russia. Duck is worth noting, this money was exported officially, but how much was not officially exported? And are we still surprised that the people are so impoverished?
    1. NKT
      0
      8 June 2017 13: 16
      What do you propose doing with excess currency?
      1. 0
        8 June 2017 15: 09
        They did not ask me, but I will answer. For surplus currency, you need to buy high-tech equipment to restore the industry of the Russian Federation and increase its competitiveness in world markets.
        1. NKT
          0
          8 June 2017 15: 23
          The words are beautiful. In what areas do you want to compete with the west? Where do you get technology experts? Do you think that having only money can everything be built?
        2. 0
          8 June 2017 22: 41
          For surplus currency you need to buy high-tech equipment- I’m embarrassed to ask: what Jackson-Vanik sanctions were canceled in what year ???

          Or do you think: since we’ll buy loot on our hands, yeah, right now, how much Iran has this dough. Have you introduced that loot into the trade?
        3. 0
          10 June 2017 23: 43
          Quote: alexxxz
          For surplus currency you need to buy high-tech equipment to restore the industry of the Russian Federation

          Who will sell it to us?
  19. 0
    8 June 2017 13: 20
    It turns out that the whole problem is in the terms of the contract.

    Those. the principle of "must, do not - pay" works and the principle of "how much you took, you paid for so much."

    Chemistry ... And is that the whole debate?

    It is clear that in a bazaar, as in a bazaar .... Who will deceive anyone ... A price tag printed on a product in a factory way, without speculation rights, is more suitable for a normal person.

    They are fooling people and trying to find the truth.

    Both Gazprom and Naftogaz are scammers.
    1. NKT
      0
      8 June 2017 13: 27
      The whole problem is the failure to fulfill the contract. Ukraine wanted to take a lot (this was because it determined the annual volumes it needed in the contract) and resold, making a profit.
      1. +1
        8 June 2017 18: 20
        Yes, I get the point.

        Wrong planning. And what cannot be corrected. Without including profit in a fine. Where did they get the money from? To the IMF, run away? And those yes ... Those will print ....

        And who needs all this?
  20. +1
    8 June 2017 13: 40
    Well, resale became unprofitable, at one time the price for Ukraine was more expensive than for Germany with a smaller transport shoulder.
    As for the article, each side considers itself a winner .. But the court chose the middle. Yes, and it is not clear with the finale. We still have to wait.
    Previously, it is only possible for each side to reassure its own - they say everything on the ointment.
    Regarding some joys in Ukraine about the “victory” - what are you talking about? Our experts have long described that in the best cases to pay for the selected gas is inevitably more than 1 billion + And this is not even discussed, because gas is a commodity .. everything that can be skipped from above, but you still have to pay.
    In general, Gazprom should receive the money. But not as much as he initially wanted .. Probably Gazprom shareholders will be happy .. extra bonuses will not hurt
  21. 0
    8 June 2017 13: 49
    there is interesting in the former Ukraine there are normal or some scammers at the helm
  22. 0
    8 June 2017 15: 01
    This is just a test ball. In the end, Gazprom will ruin these ships.
  23. 0
    8 June 2017 15: 11
    I propose to take Novorossia from Ukraine for debts. And on delivery - to issue a transaction of sale of Crimea. So that everyone calms down ...
    1. 0
      8 June 2017 15: 59
      Quote: alexxxz
      I propose to take Novorossia from Ukraine for debts. And on delivery - to issue a transaction of sale of Crimea

      Quote: alexxxz
      I propose to take Novorossia from Ukraine for debts. And on delivery - to issue a transaction of sale of Crimea

      and I suggest taking everything for debts and surrender Galicia for change
      1. 0
        8 June 2017 20: 38
        Little things for change are gone.
  24. NKT
    +1
    8 June 2017 15: 31
    Quote: Catherine II
    Well, resale became unprofitable, at one time the price for Ukraine was more expensive than for Germany with a smaller transport shoulder.


    Firstly, a contract is a contract that must be implemented. Ukraine itself insisted on pegging oil prices (when it collapsed). Read the press of that time, the main thesis is that Tymoshenko beat GDP.

    Secondly, it is impossible to compare with Germany, since Gazprom and the Germans have business relations, it invests money in Gazprom fields, unlike Ukraine.

    Thirdly, if we compare, we can recall that until 2004 Ukraine received gas at $ 40-50, in contrast to Germany, which paid three hundred dollars.
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      8 June 2017 15: 58
      Quote: NKT
      Firstly, a contract is a contract,

      everywhere except Nenko
      they managed to sign a citizenship agreement simultaneously with the Turks, us and the Poles
  25. 0
    8 June 2017 16: 42
    - The contract has not been canceled and is valid until 19, the stubborn ones buy the reverse and have already overpaid 1 billion dollars.
    - Debt for Donbass exceeds $ 1 billion, and there is no decision on it yet.
    - Prices up to 14 years, Ukraine could not dispute.
    - At prices of 14-15 years, a positive difference in favor of Gazprom, according to experts, exceeds $ 1,5 billion
    -Take-or-pay condition - after the changes of the last decade, the European gas market has been canceled everywhere, and the likelihood of fines for Ukraine was already extremely low.
  26. 0
    8 June 2017 17: 52
    there is always a way out .... Moysha said .... being in the cannibal’s stomach .......
  27. 0
    8 June 2017 18: 18
    When everything settles down in Ukraine, Ukraine will still pay everything .... Maybe not with the current generation, but it will pay.
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    8 June 2017 18: 19
    wait and see.
  29. 0
    8 June 2017 19: 00
    Gazprom was silent. And in this silence the severe school of the Leader was felt.
  30. 0
    8 June 2017 19: 03
    "Yulia Tymoshenko was condemned under Yanukovych, including for the same contract, then her" democratic forces "(including Mr. Poroshenko) were declared a political prisoner, and then - after Yanukovych’s escape - they were released from the colony and rolled out on a wheelchair to the Maidan scene a symbol of the victory of the "new" forces. And now these same "new" forces are reporting ... "
    Poor Julia Vladimirovna ... All the way from the fire, but into the fire. They are searched all over the world, now they plant, then they release. Right now, again, they will sit down to look at that. Horror.
  31. 0
    8 June 2017 20: 09
    Yes, they were completely depressed Svidomo, They weep bitterly at the trough, They rush about with a snout, cursing a white light - It’s empty trough, there are no cookies there. The ball ended and the candles were extinguished, Ukrainians fiercely jump at veche! String lace rubbed the crotch - Here it is glory and their independence !!!
  32. 0
    10 June 2017 15: 01
    Quote: avt
    it is impossible to get rid of the Ruguli without restructuring, or writing off GDP at good will.

    Bankruptcy of Naftogaz solves all problems. Then Naftogaz-2 and voila are created
  33. 0
    10 June 2017 15: 09
    Quote: gladcu2
    Both Gazprom and Naftogaz are scammers.

    Harshly.
    Actually, you should read the original contract and then talk. Take or pay the principle .... Who will pull the pipe without the volumes agreed upon in advance? What is wrong with China, what with the Turkish stream
  34. 0
    10 June 2017 15: 12
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    gazprёm would be better to gasify Russia,

    It is not economically feasible to draw gas to each individual village
  35. 0
    11 June 2017 00: 50
    Gazprom would stop bullying mediocre money on the right and left. An example is the stadium in St. Petersburg, sponsored by FC Zenit and German Schalke 04 and the purchase of dortgich players with a large salary for these clubs. One figs, if they lose, they don’t lose anything - prices will increase and Russians will cover the loss