True to the Truth. Arnold Mary

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True to the Truth. Arnold MaryIndependent Estonia ... Peaceful sky overhead. High quality of life. Leisurely calm life: friendly passers-by, laughing children. Clean, well maintained streets. Monuments to the heroes ... SS, who fought "for the freedom and independence of the Estonian people" and was driven to the cemetery by a Bronze soldier with a bowed head ... The Nazis drove into the cemetery not only a bronze soldier. Among the victims of fascist revanchism in the Baltics there are living people, albeit deep old men, who, however, remained loyal to Pravda until the very end.

Hero of the Soviet Union Arnold Konstantinovich Meri was born in Tallinn 1 July 1919, in the family of a simple employee. In 1940, he became a member of the CPSU (b) / CPSU. In 1926, the Meri family moved to Yugoslavia. Here Arnold was baptized into Orthodoxy, therefore he was called the Orthodox name Adrian. He graduated from a Russian elementary school in the city of Skopje, then became a high-school student of the 1-th Russian-Serbian gymnasium in Belgrade, from which he graduated from the 1938 year.

After the return of Mary's family to Estonia in 1938, Arnold began working as an apprentice mechanic at the F. Krull Machine Works. In 1939, he was called up for military service in the Estonian army - in the autotank regiment. After the Soviet power was established in Estonia in July 1940, at the organization meeting of the Komsomol organization A.K. Mary was elected to the first Komsomol City Committee. At the same time, on the instructions of the Central Committee of Komsomol, he headed the soldiers' bureau, whose task was to create Komsomol organizations in military units.

After the transformation of the Estonian army (autumn 1940 of the year), it became known as the 22-m territorial Estonian rifle corps of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army, and Arnold Meri was sent to the corps 415-nd separate liaison battalion to become the deputy political instructor of the training company.

The battletrack of the 22 of the Estonian Territorial Rifle Corps, which was part of the North-Western Front, began in the first days of the war, with its advancement towards the city of Porkhov in the Pskov Region. In the process of concentrating parts of the corps, as well as a partial upgrade of weapons, the motorized corps of the enemy struck the first blows of the 56. The battles in the vicinity of Makhnovka and Slavkovich, which took place on July 6-10 on July 1941, caused great losses among the corps personnel. Mary hardly managed to get out of the environment and find their part. Departing from Porkhov, parts of the corps were located on the eastern bank of the Sheloni River, occupying defenses. On the morning of July 17, the corps command attempted to organize an offensive north and south of the city of Porkhov, but it did not succeed. The Nazis managed to concentrate in the vicinity of Porkhov large forces. On the evening of the same day, the 24 infantry regiment of the Nazis forced the river Shelon and developed an offensive south of the Porkhov-Bottom highway.

At this time, only A.K. Mary managed not to panic, overcoming the general mood of fear, madness. He managed to get up, blocking the way of the crowd running from the trenches. And he managed to stop the people, organize the defense and throw away the enemy. A.K. Mary did not leave the fighting post even after a shard of a mine stuck into his right hand.

After that, A.K. Mary received a second wound - a mine splinter damaged the thigh and knee. And even now, bleeding profusely, he did not allow himself to leave the battlefield. Inspired by such an example, the battalion successfully completed an unusual combat mission. Thus, the plan of the Nazis was disrupted by a breakthrough to the Porkhov-Bottom highway and the destruction of the headquarters of the 22-Rifle Corps.

For the heroism shown in the performance of the combat command of the command in the struggle against German fascism, he was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union and the Order of Lenin and the Gold Star medal.

In October, 1941, after undergoing treatment at the hospital, AK Meri was sent to study at the Moscow Military Engineering School. At that moment, the new Estonian national units of the Red Army were created. When Mary learned about this, he wrote a report containing a request to send him to one of these parts. At the beginning of 1942, he became a Komsomol rifle regiment, and in the fall of 1942, he became an assistant to the beginning. the political department of the 249 th Estonian page division, then got into the 8 th Estonian Tallinn Rifle Corps, where he served until the end of the war. He participated in the Velikie Luki, Narva, Nevel and Baltic strategic (Tallinn and Moonsund front) operations. He participated in the liberation of his native Tallinn from the Nazi invaders ...

Years passed ... The great country for which he fought broke up into 15 parts. The hero's favorite Estonia, Estonia, whose power in 2007 opened a criminal case against Hero, also gained independence. 20 May 2008, the trial was initiated, where the accused was Arnold Meri, a veteran of World War II, a former member of the Central Committee of the Estonian Communist Party. Hero of the Soviet Union Arnold Meri was accused of involvement in the deportations of Estonian citizens in 1949. Meanwhile, for Mary this story It was no longer the first: in August 1952, Mary was already deprived of the title of Hero of the Soviet Union and other state awards for attempting to review the affairs of a number of exiles and return them to Estonia (until 1949, Mary was headed by the republican Komsomol).

In the case of 88’s guilty plea, a seriously ill patient (partial loss of vision and hearing, lung cancer) could have been sentenced to life imprisonment! A.K. Meri never considered himself guilty, actively defended himself, and also opposed all attempts to revive fascism in Estonia. Starting from 2007, he was chairman of the Estonian Anti-Fascist Committee.

Being the last of the survivors among Estonians - Heroes of the Soviet Union, AK Mary left us 27 March 2009 of the year. He was buried in the Tallinn cemetery in Männiku, next to the resting members of his family.
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  1. Anatoly
    +9
    25 February 2012 11: 16
    Someday, Estonia will bitterly pay for such precedents. I hope soon.
  2. abyss 8
    -18
    25 February 2012 11: 59
    So after all, Estonia has a high standard of living and a peaceful sky overhead? strange! ... and some users on the site were talking about a "decaying" country under the boot of a NATO mercenary ..... lol never having visited the country - "everything" knows about it ... about the "specialists" ... laughing
    1. +5
      25 February 2012 12: 18
      Well, you know about life in Estonia, of course, better than me. fool
      1. Anatoly
        +2
        25 February 2012 12: 21
        he is from his Zapadenschina, beyond his nose he does not see.
  3. +15
    25 February 2012 12: 02
    Thanks for the article. Hello from Estonia. WE REMEMBER! Proud!
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      -20
      25 February 2012 16: 23
      What to be proud of? Deportation of children, old people and women according to your feat ??
      1. 0
        28 February 2012 00: 52
        He has something to be proud of! He shed blood for the Motherland. And it was not he who deported, but the country's leadership. My great-grandfather was also driven to the camps and shot in June 1941. But this does not prevent me from understanding that it is necessary to "separate the wheat from the chaff ..."
  4. Georg Shep
    -20
    25 February 2012 12: 15
    Our Russian people, who became the first victims of the monstrous communist regime, must remember that few peoples of the former Russian Empire managed to defend their freedom and independence from communist despotism. Among such countries and peoples were Estonia and the Estonian people. But Mary and his communist past are God the judge.
    1. Brother Sarych
      +12
      25 February 2012 12: 20
      Typical Russian name Georg Shep. Selected as a nickname - there are no questions ...
      I just love these characters ...
    2. Anatoly
      +10
      25 February 2012 12: 23
      Another "Bandera-ala-Baltic SS" ..
      1. Georg Shep
        -17
        25 February 2012 12: 44
        Comrade Major General, if you consider yourself a Russian person, and not an international communist, then the memory of millions of ruined and tortured Russian people and other peoples of Russia, you should be sacred and dear. And if not, then there are no questions.
        1. Anatoly
          +16
          25 February 2012 12: 59
          If you think that cheating on SS units in the Baltic countries is correct, then I am both a Russian occupier and an international communist and an enemy in any sense of the word.
          No more questions.
          1. Georg Shep
            -18
            25 February 2012 13: 09
            Firstly, you are not Russian, but Soviet.
            Secondly, a person who does not remember kinship, for a Russian person, not by a passport, but in fact, will never forgive and forget the Communists all those atrocities that they have been doing in Russia with the Russian people since 1917.
            But Estonians and their attitude towards the communist occupation and their history are their business, and they have the right to decide them as they see fit.
            1. Brother Sarych
              +21
              25 February 2012 13: 12
              I’m Soviet and I’m not going to be ashamed of this! And I'm Russian - and I'm not going to be ashamed of this! And if you are here, getting confused in snot, you plan to teach patriotism as well - you have chosen the wrong place!
              1. Georg Shep
                -8
                25 February 2012 13: 25
                The question is not about patriotism, but about human and civic memory.
                1. +5
                  26 February 2012 12: 41
                  let's condemn Ivan the Terrible, Peter the first as they ruined Stalin and never dreamed of.
            2. Anatoly
              +14
              25 February 2012 13: 12
              Empty demagoguery.
              The question is closed.
            3. +6
              25 February 2012 16: 25
              And the victory was won by Russian or Soviet. Among the Ossetians who fought in the Second World War, the largest percentage of Heroes of the Soviet Union to the national composition of the population, among Jews 150 Heroes of the Soviet Union. And you're just a misunderstanding by the name Shep.
              1. Georg Shep
                -17
                25 February 2012 17: 39
                Millions of Russian people fought to the end with Bolshevism-Communism in the! And 2nd Civil and eternal memory to them. And the Soviet - by definition, not Russian, but internationalized zombies who do not remember kinship. The Russian people will never forget the communist genocide of the Russian People; the names of the heroes Kornilov, Markov, Wrangel, Denikin, Krasnov, Kutepov, Ungern, Voskoboinikov, Kamensky, Vlasov, and many many other defenders of the Fatherland will never fade from the memory of the people. The time will come and the monuments to the Bolshevik executioners and killers will be demolished, and the names of the fallen Russian heroes will be carved on the eternal and sacred tablets of Russian memory.
                1. negabaritnyy
                  +8
                  25 February 2012 17: 46
                  Well you and fool ! Thanks to people like YOU, the union has broken up.
                  1. Georg Shep
                    -12
                    25 February 2012 20: 44
                    The union fell apart thanks to such communists as Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
                    However, in fact, it did not break up, it was simply dismantled by order from above. - owners of communoliberals.
                2. +3
                  25 February 2012 23: 10
                  Quote: Georg Shep
                  Kornilov, Markov, Wrangel, Denikin, Krasnov, Kutepov, Ungern, Voskoboinikov, Kamensky, Vlasov
                  - And these blacks exclusively killed? fool
                  1. Georg Shep
                    -7
                    25 February 2012 23: 47
                    They fought for Russia and the Russian people. The blacks were killed by your friends from the SSHA, the allies of Stalin ...
                    1. Eligor chaos
                      +4
                      26 February 2012 01: 15
                      and in general, if you are such a patriot, why is your name in German manner?)
                      1. Georg Shep
                        -4
                        26 February 2012 13: 24
                        But what, are few Russian patriots who have a name in the German manner? As yours sounds in Spanish ...
                      2. Eligor chaos
                        +2
                        26 February 2012 14: 46
                        it’s not clear who these patriots, Germans, or ours are))
                        and by the way, my nickname is from mythology (if you can call it that))), and I don’t scream that I'm a patriot
                    2. +4
                      26 February 2012 13: 00
                      And in the Azov and Solovki concentration camps they built for the Papuans?
                      The phrase of the commander of the American intervention troops in Siberia, General W. Graves: “In Eastern Siberia, horrible murders were committed, but they were not committed by the Bolsheviks, as was usually thought. I will not be mistaken if I say that in Eastern Siberia, for every person killed by the Bolsheviks, 100 people killed by anti-Bolshevik elements. "
                      1. Georg Shep
                        -4
                        26 February 2012 13: 27
                        Do you believe the British? .. Remember Mr. Churchill ...
                      2. +3
                        26 February 2012 14: 28
                        First, what has Churchill to do with it when it comes to the memoirs of an American general. After all, he did not write an article for Pionerskaya Pravda.
                        Secondly, unlike you, I believe not in rumors, but in documents. You can find:
                        GARF. F. 446. Op. 2. D. 97. L. 37-45.
                        GARF. F. 104. Op. 1. D. 13. L. 6 about.
                        Azov is 900 years old. Rostov n / a, 1967.S. 51.
                        GARF. F. 104. Op. 1. D. 13. L. 6.
                        In the same place. L. 14.
                        GARF. F. 445. Op. 1. D. 4. L. 29.
                        Cherkes G.N. Memoirs // Archive of AMZ.
                        Sokolov V.F. Memoirs // Archive of AMZ.
                        Guard the revolution. 1920 Sept. S. 3.
                        GARF. F. 446. Op. 2. D. 18. L. 403.
                        In the same place. L. 401.
                        Third, study the subject before writing nonsense. Everyone who really is interested in the history of Russia, and not just talkers, knows about the existence of the Solovetsky concentration camp. The fact is, on February 3, 1919, the Miller-Tchaikovsky government, which supported the “Western democracies,” passed a decree according to which citizens “whose presence is harmful ... may be subject to arrest and extrajudicial deportation to the places specified in paragraph 4 of this resolution” . The indicated paragraph read: “The Solovetsky Monastery or one of the islands of the Solovetsky Group is appointed as the place of expulsion”.
                3. Eligor chaos
                  +2
                  26 February 2012 01: 09
                  Uncle, you don't need to shout so loudly, I see a fan of the tsarist regime, and you rush to this extreme with your head, and so your tsarist regime discredited itself, trying to say that the "scoop" was hell, but under the tsar, father was oh, how free it was? I fundamentally disagree with you.
                  1. Rodver
                    0
                    26 February 2012 11: 50
                    Tsarist Russia, or to use your communist slang "tsarist regime", has gone down in history and will never return, but her memory is eternal and does not come. And we must remember and honor our Russian ancestors, who, with their labor, sweat and blood, built a great state - without concentration camps, prisons and shooting ranges, which the Marxist-communist plague that came to power covered Russia with and its perpetrators - such good old man-eaters.
                  2. Georg Shep
                    -4
                    26 February 2012 13: 33
                    The "tsarist regime" was discredited for decades by the Bolsheviks-communists, calling it "the gendarme of Europe," "the prison of peoples," "the horrors of tsarism," etc. etc. But you, most likely, are an adult and you have the opportunity to separate the "wheat from the chaff" on your own, and not automatically quote a Soviet propaganda cliché that has set the teeth on edge.
                    1. +3
                      26 February 2012 14: 33
                      What do you have besides learned phrases? Until the mid-30s, there were fewer prisoners in the prisons of the USSR than now in "free and democratic" Russia.
                      1. Georg Shep
                        -4
                        26 February 2012 14: 42
                        There are concepts that do not fit into "learned phrases" - this is the concept that there can be no faith in the "documents" that come from a system whose original nature was built on lies, falsehood and violence. And this you must clearly understand
                      2. +2
                        26 February 2012 14: 51
                        And based on this, simple chatter of faith is more. And what are your compositions based on? Just because it is beneficial to you. But even the Memorial Society has long abandoned such compositions.
                      3. Georg Shep
                        -3
                        26 February 2012 16: 07
                        From what kind? .. And what kind of essay ... I express my thoughts and my position.
                      4. +2
                        26 February 2012 16: 40
                        Thoughts and position should be based on knowledge, and you have only stamped phrases twitching from liberal and anti-Soviet bullshit.
                      5. Georg Shep
                        -2
                        26 February 2012 18: 07
                        Well, only one word "anti-Soviet nonsense" is just that cliché. As a Russian person, I am not just a patriot, but a nationally minded patriot. Therefore, I reject both the bloody Bolshevik-communist system and the disgustingly vulgar liberal one. Since both of these systems are two hands of one beast, whose name is one-sided materialism and its material "values".
                        For our country and people, such a device system is unacceptable.
                        Today, Russia needs a system of social and state development that would harmoniously combine material and spiritual priorities and the national values ​​of the Russian People. There is simply no other way.
                      6. +2
                        26 February 2012 18: 31
                        I did not expect another answer. Coma demagogic statements at the level of tantrum from you and you will not wait. Lots of noise and zero good.
                      7. Georg Shep
                        -3
                        26 February 2012 18: 45
                        funny, but it seems that such a thing as hysteria sounds more in your answers.
                    2. Eligor chaos
                      +2
                      26 February 2012 14: 44
                      the tsarist regime itself was mired in its own waste, many bright minds paid attention to this, such as, for example, L.N. Tolstoy / "Sunday" /, and the Bolsheviks came and said "freedom, equality, brotherhood!", which seduced ordinary people ... In short, my thought is that the tsarist regime was "morally obsolete" by the beginning of the 20th century, and communism, socialism - this was, let's say, the next stage of evolution, and my personal subjective opinion - the USSR / at least the period of the 50s - the beginning of the 80s / was much better than the dilapidated tsarism, and I believe that if the union had not been helped to collapse, then we would have a much brighter future than what we have now.
                      An indirect confirmation that the USSR as a state was more effective than tsarist Russia is at least the fact that the monarchy was destroyed in, say, a dozen other years, and the USSR could not be eaten for half a century,
                      1. Georg Shep
                        -4
                        26 February 2012 15: 59
                        There is a good rule: we must take the best that was and remains a legacy from previous generations and discard the worst.
                        Tsarist and princely Russia existed for many centuries and left us an invaluable treasure of its deeds and accomplishments in all areas of human life. There were enough negative legacies, but thanks to the best deeds of our ancestors, Russia became a great country and power.
                        The Bolsheviks seized power by deception and violence and plunged the country and people into a bloody massacre of the Civil War, and then turned our Motherland into one huge industrial and industrial collective farm concentration camp. In which there was no place for the Russian national spirit, human and civil freedom and respect.
                        Naturally, each period of time modernizes and modifies living conditions, and therefore, in Soviet times, a person cannot exist in the same way of life as in tsarist times, everything flows, everything changes, but moral and moral guidelines always remain the main criterion for a person . And then, first of all, they were rolled up and erased by the deadly steam Bolshevik-Communist machine.
                        She unleashed a class and civil war among the Russian people, she tore and separated people according to the social and estate residual principle, she introduced the system of genocide of our Russian people in a planned manner (so-called control numbers and applications), she organized and nurtured whole galaxies informers, scammers, scammers and headphones,
                        it deprived a person of not only free movement through their native land, but also free and honest expression of their thoughts and opinions ...
                        She turned the lives of our people and put everything upside down.
                        And thanks to such tireless and consistent "work", a whole generation of people has appeared in the country, programmed according to the principle "go there - don't go there", or "every cricket - know your inch."
                        But even with this state of affairs, we still
                        just have to pay tribute and admiration to our Russian people., which, despite its slavish and disenfranchised position, managed to make amazing feats and discoveries in the field of science. technology, military and martial arts, in culture and in sports. And this fact, once again shows its true strength and power.
                        And when, in 1991, by order of "from above," the communist system was dismantled by the communists themselves, who, by a wave of magic, immediately turned into ardent liberals, it turned out that none of the party or the people stood up to defend the "native Soviet authorities".
                        And that says it all about Bolshevism-communism, and about its essence.
                        The system of falsehood of lies and violence can never dominate people for a long time.
                      2. +1
                        26 February 2012 16: 58
                        And again, a complete lie. I can understand that you did not study history at school, but now at least turn on the Internet search. There are a lot of documents in the public domain. No, you stubbornly repeat the same thing as twenty years ago. Concentration camps, surplus appropriation, special meetings of military courts and "troikas" - this is all the legacy of the tsarist past so much praised by you.
                        From whom the Bolsheviks seized power, who plunged the country into the Civil War - a complete lack of knowledge on your part.
                        Quote: Georg Shep
                        But even with this state of affairs, we still
                        just have to pay tribute and admiration to our Russian people., which, despite its slavish and disenfranchised position, managed to make amazing feats and discoveries in the field of science. technology, military and martial arts, in culture and in sports. And this fact, once again shows its true strength and power.

                        So that now 20 years of trampling is not that in place, the country is rolling into the abyss. Where are the people and their "free" position, where are the amazing feats of labor and discoveries?
                      3. Georg Shep
                        -2
                        26 February 2012 18: 55
                        So you should be clear that one follows from the other. - Under communism, people from under the stick were forced to do both good and bad things, and the people where they could do great things, but they could do a thousand times more without a stick.
                        And with cute liberalism, sticks are not needed, money is needed. This is the difference, in Russian speaking - radish horseradish is not sweeter.
                      4. +1
                        26 February 2012 20: 06
                        Quote: Georg Shep
                        And with cute liberalism, sticks are not needed, money is needed. This is the difference, in Russian speaking - radish horseradish is not sweeter.

                        The usual demagoguery. Well, pay big money to people who are against it! If you, as a parasite, were forced to work, this does not mean that the whole country was parasites. Apparently your parents were like that - the apple does not fall far from the apple tree. But the example of the United States and the New Deal of F. Roosevelt, or have you not?
                      5. Georg Shep
                        -1
                        26 February 2012 21: 46
                        Your demagogy is a solid Soviet vocabulary - parasites, enemies, whiteguards ... As long as you live in these terms and terms, conversation will be in different dimensions. But this is a purely communist line - deliberately breaking up the people and their national unity with social-class definitions, this is the essence of Bolshevism. Well, my parents, like most Russian people, were ordinary workers - a father from peasants, a mother - an employee, but is that really the point? The fact is that their whole life, like the lives of millions of our compatriots, was under the pressure of administrative-barracks dogmas and attitudes. So the whole country had to live, and so, just the opposite, our citizens live today, only under the pressure of material need and survival. This is already a liberal system. And Russia does not need Roosevelt's course, but needs its own national course.
                      6. 0
                        26 February 2012 22: 04
                        Quote: Georg Shep
                        But this is a purely communist line - deliberately breaking up the people and their national unity with social-class definitions,
                        - and under the tsar - father there was no class division?
                        Ordinary Soviet people, for the most part, worked and achieved incredible successes in the collectivization and industrialization of the country. But demagogues like you and others like you did nothing except humiliate your people.
                      7. Georg Shep
                        -1
                        26 February 2012 23: 16
                        Under the tsar-priest there was an estate division, but not class division. They didn’t shoot people or put them in concentration camps on an estate basis, didn’t deprive them of their rights and social benefits, didn’t send peasants along with their families and babies in the winter, didn’t carry out surveillance and surveillance, didn’t poison and do not mock them over their origin. All this disgusting and inhuman bouquet of the destruction of national Russian unity and way of life, was introduced into everyday practice by the Bolshevik Communists and their international Marxist ideology. But to you these Bolshevik acts are like peas against a wall. You live in a world of idealization of this criminal system and, apparently, fully be content with it. What is your right. However, those who feel belonging to their people and their national roots and spirit, and not to the virtual-international and cosmopolitan brotherhood, will never forget and forgive the Marxists-Leninists and their masters of all those crimes that they committed with Russia and the Russian By the people.
                      8. 0
                        27 February 2012 09: 08
                        Quote: Georg Shep
                        Under the tsar-priest there was an estate division, but not class division.
                        - correctly. The existing Table of Ranks did not provide for such concepts at all by the worker, the peasant. They were not considered for people either, because it was property and goods.
                        Tens of millions of peasant children and children of workers would have remained only children of the mob, including Georg Shep, if not for Soviet power.
                    3. 0
                      28 February 2012 00: 56
                      By God ... Zombies ...
                4. 0
                  28 February 2012 00: 55
                  Damn, some kind of zombie ...
    3. +11
      25 February 2012 16: 08
      If it were not for the Bolsheviks, who for the sake of power agreed with the Germans in 1918 on the "independence" of the occupied provinces of Russia, there would never have been any talk of "independent" Estonia. This is the land developed since antiquity by the Russians, Kolyvan (non - Tallinn), Yuriev founded by Yaroslav the Wise (non - Tartu), etc. And what of the cities (a sign of civilization) was founded by local Papuans ??? But nothing! In addition, already under Peter 1, these lands, seized by the Swedes and other enemies in the "time of troubles" of Russia, were again redeemed by the Russians into their possession. And where were the local Papuans all these times, and they worked as swineherds and goldsmiths under the Swedes and Germans. And where is their mulberry statehood and what should the Russians (who for some reason on their own lands they have developed as invaders (???) call) should learn from the natives? What ???
  5. Nilfgaard
    +11
    25 February 2012 12: 37
    For myself, I identified 2 terrible things of the Goebels-Baltic propoganda.
    1) This is what the Russians were able to convince that it was not their land.
    2) And the fact that the Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians were all without exception in the SS. They convinced us and them. But few of the titular ones know that, for example, from Latvia much more divisions fought for the USSR than for the SS. One of them (sorry, I don't remember well, but it seems like 103 motorized rifle), which consisted almost entirely of Latvians, was destroyed by 85% during its defense of Moscow. About the partisans, I generally keep quiet. But in our country this is hushed up everywhere. And by the way, at the celebration of May 9 ( as they say to the day of the occupation) every year there are more and more Latvians. They cease to be afraid of being devoured by compatriots. The truth is, there are small conflicts (glad they are rare) between Latvians and representatives of the "I remember, I will get drunk" generation.
  6. Artist
    +14
    25 February 2012 12: 43
    Respect, proud and remember! Eternal memory to you in our hearts!
    Now they beat us, but we are getting stronger and we will defeat the fascists!
  7. Rodver
    +6
    25 February 2012 14: 09
    Estonia to Russia with respect - Russia to Estonia with respect. The only way. We are neighbours.
  8. Nu daaaa ...
    -15
    25 February 2012 15: 21
    Whether Mary was a hero is not known. The co-workers say that in fact it was not Mary, but Arnold Isotamm that was the hero, but since he was ideologically unsuitable (officer of the Republic of Estonia, etc.), political hero Meri became the hero. After the warriors, Arnold Mary was a party worker who coordinated the expulsion of children, old people and women to Siberia (witnesses are still alive, more than 80 people). So an ordinary party worker and a criminal, not a hero.
    1. negabaritnyy
      +6
      25 February 2012 17: 50
      Whose colleagues are yours or yours?
      1. Nu daaaa ...
        -6
        25 February 2012 20: 35
        His. Journalists investigated the topic, veterans of the 22. rifle corps talked about this. And the fact that he deported the people, he said.
  9. Nilfgaard
    +4
    25 February 2012 19: 55
    Nu daaaa ...,

    Show evidence of the expulsion of innocent people? Modern history textbooks are not good. And the fact that women and children went after their husbands who participated in Nazi crimes is normal practice.
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      -5
      25 February 2012 20: 57
      According to the lists of the NKGB of the Estonian SSR - Hiiumaa Island, they deported:

      82 male citizens, of whom 18 are of working age
      169 women
      Children under 18 years old - 97, of which under 12 years old - 61
      3 pregnant
      Elderly 13 (over 75 years old)
      In Siberia, 43 of them died

      Among them there was not one who would participate in the crimes of the Nazis.

      Here are such heroes was Arnold Mary, who fought women and children

      Here are such heroes was Arnold Mary, who fought women and children
      1. +4
        25 February 2012 21: 29
        Estonian heroes !!!
        You won another brilliant victory !!!
        Nice fighters with monuments and old people.
        Arnold Meri probably did not think that he would have to fight twice with the Nazis.
        1. Georg Shep
          -4
          25 February 2012 23: 19
          Yes, the old host was a killer grandfather. But for the communists and liberals, he is a hero.
          1. +1
            25 February 2012 23: 53
            He didn’t see everyone. He killed the fascists, but it’s a pity.
            1. Georg Shep
              -6
              26 February 2012 00: 10
              It’s a pity, otherwise he would be the absolute champion among executioners and killers, worse than Pol Pot. But you have everything ahead ...
      2. +6
        25 February 2012 23: 51
        that’s how you forgot to add that the denunciations ABOUT STORED WEAPON AND SERVICE The Estonians themselves wrote to the SS. and after his neighbor’s arrest, his things, including his linen, were grabbed.

        I quote
        From the testimony of the victims

        Urve Viskov: my father was convicted of participating in Omakaitse. After we were informed of the deportation, we were left alone at home. We went to the neighbors and waited for about four hours for the bus that came for us to take to the port.

        Harry Ait: father was convicted of the fact that he hid the machine under the floor. Our property was stolen by Estonians from the volost, and not by the police or the KGB.

        Lembit Aavik: our family was expelled because my two brothers opposed the Soviet regime and were convicted of it. Mom was a Heroine Mother and had an order of 1 degree. She enjoyed various benefits, she was paid monthly for this.

        http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/estonia/poterpevshie-i-svideteli-ne-ukazali-na-vinu-ob
        vinyaemyh.d? id = 35277439 & l = fplead

        Yes, guys, let me introduce you to the fighter of the cyber defense center. We have such a thing!
        1. Nu daaaa ...
          -4
          26 February 2012 01: 55
          The question is still whether the war with women and children was a feat or not ... in my opinion not. In your opinion, probably yes. The fun of political workers and political leaders ... I already wrote about wartime. For you and the Stalinist executioners, who killed your brother in the millions of millions of years between 30 and 50, are also considered heroes.

          "... yes, guys, let me introduce you to the fighter of the cyber defense center. we have such a big one! ..."

          Someone from the big said, If a person is ..., then is it for a long time? Do you really think that they have no other fun than what is there to argue with people like you?
          1. +1
            26 February 2012 12: 45
            the fact is that the world is not divided into black and white, there are shades
          2. +3
            26 February 2012 13: 24
            Who pays you to propagate lies?
            You have an old, dissident style of the 80s-90s of the last century - a recognizable style.
            1. +3
              26 February 2012 13: 51
              well yeah

              Here, for example, you esteemed "freedom fighters" and "heroes" of Estonia from the SS and Omakaitse units participated in punitive operations. The executions of the villagers are whimsical - their work is done. Why don't you stigmatize them? and then the arrest of CRIMINALS AND THEIR ASSOCIATES. Not the execution! or in the current criminal codes of ALL countries, assistance to criminals is encouraged?
            2. Georg Shep
              -2
              26 February 2012 14: 30
              Dear Bogdan! This is not propaganda of lies - it is true.
              I understand that it’s difficult and painful to get rid of ideological clichés and cliches that we have been driven into since childhood, but each person, without changing his beliefs, has the opportunity to differently see and comprehend certain phenomena of our history and life. The Soviet-Communist system, which the current liberal government considers itself to be the successors, was all built on lies, violence and inhumane treatment of people, hiding behind the most magnificent and beautiful phrases and statements. For decades, this system, processed and covered with a thick layer of myths and pseudo-legends the consciousness of our people. Therefore, one should not be surprised that the language and expressions of many participants in this forum sound in a typical Soviet style.
              But about the dissident style - here is a clear mistake. The dissident movement in Soviet times was inspired and paid for by the West, primarily the United States, and had as its goal to undermine the communist system, replacing it with a liberal one. And the ideology of liberalism is always cosmopolitan and hostile to any national community and national identity of a person. Therefore, when it comes to national history and self-identification of a people, in particular Estonian and its struggle against Bolshevism, there is no dissent here.
              There was a feasible struggle for their freedom and independence of a small country and people from the power of despotism and its slander.
      3. +2
        26 February 2012 13: 59
        Quote: Nu daaaa ...
        According to the lists of the NKGB of the Estonian SSR - Hiiumaa Island, they deported:

        Can I link to a document?

        But why are you not indignant at the actions of the Germans or are they considered by you as liberators? From the summer of 1941 to the summer of 1942, by order of the German security police, at least 5500 citizens and residents of Estonia were killed, about the same number were sent to camps.
        1. Nu daaaa ...
          +1
          26 February 2012 17: 17
          Make a request to the archives or study the works of historians, there these documents are all in sight. About 40-41 years - in 40, when Soviet troops entered Estonia, the attitude towards them was not openly hostile, but rather cautiously expectant. All the same, the whole generation grew up in the spirit of "700 years of German slavery" and hatred of the Germans. Therefore, many considered the Russians a better choice than the Germans. A friendly visit by a German warship in the late 30s was accompanied by big fights in Tallinn between sailors and locals. So just imagine what were the crimes of the Soviet government, if in just one year they managed to put everything on the ground and the people met the Germans as liberators. In those days, an ironic song was widely known, which in a free translation sounds - the people make us happy - the robber saved us from the robber ... Only on 14 more than 06.1941 people were arrested and deported (more than 10 of them died) Losses of the first Soviet year for Estonia - some examples:

          In 1940, more than 1000 people were arrested in Estonia in ja 1941. 6000 people. (except 14. 06.). They were sent to camps, where the majority either died or was executed.

          from June to October 1941, 2199 were shot.

          In the year 45, Soviet troops would be liberators for us only if, after liberation, they would restore the independent state. And then, probably, the attitude towards Russians and Russia would be completely different here. And so, one occupation changed to another.
          1. 0
            26 February 2012 17: 54
            I suggested that you give links to official documents, and did not ask for an answer where I should look for it all. If you are operating with numbers and data, then give the source where you dug them, as is done by civilized people, to which you are trying to classify yourself.
            Until 1940, the Baltic countries were considered as countries with a neutral policy towards Germany and the USSR. And if the Balts did not go for direct cooperation with the Nazis, then no one would have touched them. You forget that then, in Estonia, in particular, the authoritarian regime of C. Päts existed and relations with Germany were put at the forefront in foreign policy. Oblivion of the policy of neutrality and ruined the Baltic states.
            1. Nu daaaa ...
              -1
              26 February 2012 18: 25
              http://www.regnum.ru/news/470414.html

              "... Historian Viktor Boykov told IA REGNUM that by the summer of 1941 over 2 former servicemen of the North-Western Army lived in Estonia, 000 of whom were officers. More than 700% of them were repressed. According to him, out of 80 thousands of repressed in June 10, the White Guards and their family members amounted to about 1941 thousand people. "Unfortunately, there are no exact figures, it is necessary to raise the archives of the NKVD on each specific case, but the figures are more or less true," he said. also admitted that colossal damage was inflicted on the Russian community in Estonia ... "

              There is also a list of volosts, from where and how much they took. Hiiyuma- Represseeritud isikute registrid. Raamat 6. Kditamine Eestist Venemaale. Juunikditamine 1941 & kditamised 1940 - 1953. Koostanud Leo ispuu. Tallinn, 2001. The country is small, and finding traces is not very difficult.
              1. +2
                26 February 2012 19: 47
                Well, first of all, do you know the fate of these immigrants?

                http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/estonia/poterpevshie-i-svideteli-ne-ukazali-na-vinu-ob

                vinyaemyh.d? id = 35277439 & l = fplead

                Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                "Unfortunately, there are no exact figures, it is necessary to raise the archives of the NKVD for each specific case, but the figures more or less correspond to the truth," he said. Boykov also admitted that colossal damage was inflicted on the Russian community in Estonia ... "

                We do not know what happened to them, but we will assume that they all died - is this normal for a sane person?
                Mr., Nu daaaa, in Russia this is called verbiage.
                Let's speak the language of facts and documents. Once again I urge you to do so.
                At the same time, look for data on how many nat was destroyed. formations of the SS of Russians and Belarusians, as well as Jews, and during the same post-war period, the so-called "forest brothers", in fact - bandits.
                1. Nu daaaa ...
                  0
                  26 February 2012 21: 18
                  DISSERTATIONES HISTORIAE UNIVERSITATIS TARTUENSIS.
                  dspace.utlib.ee/dspace/bitstream/handle/10062/.../RahiTamm.pdf?...5
                  Teise Maailmasja jrgsed massirepressioonid estis

                  Hope You can read Estonian. Or at least English ...
                  1. 0
                    26 February 2012 21: 28
                    Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                    dspace.utlib.ee/dspace/bitstream/handle/10062/.../RahiTamm.pdf?...5

                    You can at least copy the address correctly .....
                    1. Nu daaaa ...
                      0
                      26 February 2012 22: 34
                      It works for me ... request
          2. 0
            27 February 2012 11: 24
            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            Only 14. 06.1941 arrested and deported more than 10 people (of whom more than 000 died) The losses of the first Soviet year for Estonia are some examples:


            And yet, where does this data come from? It seems that Estonia is not willing to seek the truth. Not profitable. It is advantageous to pretend to be a sacrifice before the whole world.

            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            In the year 45, Soviet troops would be liberators for us only if, after liberation, they would restore the independent state. And then, probably, the attitude towards Russians and Russia would be completely different here. And so, one occupation changed to another.


            Yes, all one for you Russian occupiers.
  10. +4
    25 February 2012 20: 03
    Western "democracies" have specially created such a barrier, a buffer from Russia, from the states bordering with us. Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltic countries. In Russia, 180 peoples live peacefully, and this frightens European "common people" that they themselves are not capable of this. I think time will pass and the veil from the eyes will fall, and we will all become good neighbors again.
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      -3
      25 February 2012 21: 12
      "... 180 peoples live peacefully in Russia ..."

      Well, my friend, you give ...

      http://www.newsru.com/russia/16dec2010/draki_itogi.html

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjescLwnIPM&feature=player_embedded

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix_TLOUiJ8k

      http://www.neva24.ru/a/2011/12/12/Nacionalisti_v_Peterburge/
      1. +1
        25 February 2012 21: 40
        Nu daaaa ... thanks for the information, when speaking about peoples, I meant peoples. Fights and internecine strife are not as sad as "street to street" and one group of football fans to another. And I think many with noisy neighbors .... It is with Russia that many peoples have preserved themselves, their language, their culture. Where are the peoples of Europe now? Saxons, Goskontsy, and others
        1. Nu daaaa ...
          0
          26 February 2012 01: 32
          Probably in the same place as the waters, Izhora, Kamasins, etc. And where will the Vepsians, Khanty, etc. go soon?
          1. 0
            26 February 2012 10: 31
            and again they will not agree with you, although I do not minus (not in my understanding) small peoples have always been under the supervision of the state, although maybe less than we would like, but this is more than beyond the "hillock"
            In pre-revolutionary Russia, the small peoples of the north were the most backward and destitute groups of the population, some of them were on the verge of extinction. The economy was based on a primitive technique - bow and arrows, stone tips of harpoons and spears were used.

            Thanks to Lenin's national policy, the small peoples of the north overcame backwardness and moved from archaic forms of economy and life to socialist ones. Huge work to involve them in Soviet construction was carried out by a special body — the Committee for Assistance to the Peoples of the Northern Outskirts of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee (Committee of the North, 1924–35). Under his leadership, the Sovietization of the North was carried out in 1924–29, the fishing economy was improved, and private fur buyers were supplanted. The small peoples of the north were exempted from all direct national and local taxes and duties; significant cooperation loans were provided to them; stationary and nomadic schools, complex cultural centers consisting of a boarding school, hospital, trading post, club, visiting houses were opened. Writing is created in nine languages ​​of the largest nations. In 1929–30, the national districts were formed: Nenets, Yamalo-Nenets, Khanty-Mansiysk, Taimyr (Dolgan-Nenets), Evenki, Chukchi and Koryak; small peoples of the north got their statehood close to regional autonomy.

            it was during the Soviet era. That's what now
            Currently, in 28 regions of the Russian Federation 40 small indigenous peoples of the North live compactly. According to the 2002 All-Russian Population Census, the total number of small-numbered peoples of the North was 244 thousand people, and the number of individual peoples ranged from 41 thousand people (Nenets) to 240 people (Enets).

            Generally exists positive dynamics of demographic processes among the indigenous peoples of the North. The number of Oroks (ults) increased almost 2,5 times; the number of Nenets, Selkups, Khanty, Yukagirs, Negidal, Tofalars, Itelmens, Kets, etc. increased significantly (by 20–70 percent). The number of a number of peoples decreased, which is explained as the total negative demographic dynamics in the Russian Federation, and the selection during the census of small ethnic groups of the North of distinctive ethnic groups that began to identify themselves as independent peoples.

            but I didn’t hear about Champagne or Burgundy Autonomous Districts
  11. +7
    25 February 2012 20: 25
    Hello!
    I ask you to pay attention to what is happening in the newly formed micro-states such as Estonia, Georgia and other "superpowers" of the former USSR.
    Everywhere they are trying with all their might to wipe out any memory of the joint armed struggle of the peoples of the USSR.
    Because, remembering the departed, you remember the life that they lived.
    For story-makers, this is a knife in the heart.
    I do not accept the division of the state’s population into white and red.
    On the genocide unleashed against all sane people. This concerns the first catastrophic mistakes of the "Bolsheviks" with the origin, division of the state along ethnic lines and many others. Results we received in 1991 in the form of the once Great State gnawed by the rats.
    And the Estonian old man, Hero of the Soviet Union, honestly served his homeland!
    Eternal Glory to the Heroes !!!
  12. tullamore
    +1
    26 February 2012 04: 20
    eternal memory to the hero who fought for his innocence and defended his innocence to the end !!!! in the 41st Star of the Hero was awarded only for truly outstanding deeds !!!! ...
  13. 0
    26 February 2012 13: 53
    Like a woodpecker, honestly.
    Children, women, women, children. exiled, died.
    85 people? Children, women? Where are the men? To start with them. What have they done so that women and children had to be sent along with them. Without them (men), women-children must be thought, they would simply have died of hunger. Or how?

    "For you, the Stalinist executioners, who killed your brother in the 30-50s, are also considered heroes." - they are not considered heroes, they did not kill millions (where such figures come from), and indeed - compare, in your opinion - 85 people - and millions. To be silent in a rag. Read less yellow-green nonsense. And if you really read - then at least really perceive, and not on faith.
    There is a book by Dmitry Bystroletov "The Feast of the Immortals". The topic of millions, small nations, etc., is very well disclosed there, just as in landing. I advise.
    And also Juhan Smuula - the third Estonian laureate of the Stalin Prize. Such prizes were not handed out in "baskets".
    http://encyclopaedia.biga.ru/enc/culture/ESTONSKAYA_LITERATURA.html
    1. 0
      26 February 2012 14: 06
      dad is an SS man, mum is supplying food, but to stroke them on the head? no one fought with the children, and even more so, they were not killed, they were not taken from their mothers. The family was expelled, breaking the connection with the "comrades in the fight" and after such measures, banditry was suppressed ...

      it is significant that the Estonians themselves fought with these bandits!
  14. Region71
    +1
    26 February 2012 18: 33
    Please, no pluses and minuses. My father partisaned a 6-year-old boy, was connected. All these people of different nationalities defended one great USSR state, which was able to unite them. This state is no longer there, there is no Arnold Mary, there are no millions of his other defenders, but my father is still old. And I remember his stories, his grandchildren remember, I hope they pass them on to his great-grandchildren.
    Long life to this military generation and eternal memory TO SOLDIERS OF THE SOVIET UNION, which are no longer with us.
  15. +4
    26 February 2012 20: 44
    Quote: Nu daaaa ...
    ... by the summer of 1941, over 2 000 of former Northwest Army soldiers, 700 of which were officers, lived in Estonia. Over 80% of them were repressed.

    And you do not know what fate the Yudenich Northwest Army and civilian refugees had at the end of 1919 - the beginning of 1920. ? In Estonia, this topic is taboo. But you can check out http://www.baltija.eu/news/read/16307
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      0
      26 February 2012 21: 24
      There is no taboo, they were helped and treated in the camps as best they could, both the Americans and the British helped. There were many victims among the local population. No matter how, the 6th year of the warriors. And as you already read, after Gr. Warriors lived in Estonia with the White Guards and their family members about 4000 people. If they lived and did not leave, they were probably satisfied.

      http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/U116445INP/nurses-with-ty
      phus-infected-patients-behind-fence

      http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/U116436INP/typhus-camp-wi
      th-patients-roaming-outdoors

      http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/IH155052/quarantine-camp-
      for-russian-refugees
  16. +4
    26 February 2012 22: 10
    Quote: Nu daaaa ...
    they were helped and treated in the camps as best they could

    I see you just do not want to know the historical truth. Well, this is typical for "Kaev with Ice". I will give just one excerpt.
    “For several days, people spent the night in severe frost right on the ground." ... Russian regiments are not allowed through the wire fence by the Estonians. People freeze in heaps that night, "wrote the great Russian writer Kuprin himself, who was in the dying army. Soldiers, adult men can survive, most the frozen ones are women and children. Finally, the passage to the territory of Estonia begins. In small parties, through barbed wire. All weapons are surrendered, and this is only the beginning. The Estonian soldiers undress the soldiers right in the cold, taking off their new English greatcoats, taking away valuables and gold crosses After that, people are placed at the Narva-2 station, in the premises of two empty factories. There is again barbed wire around them. This is as it should be, because these factories, in fact - a concentration camp! Conditions in the Estonian camp are worse than in the Nazi: there are no beds, blankets, warm clothes. No medicine, nothing at all! Nearby on the tracks there are thousands of cars with the property of the dying Russian army. All this is there, butthe commander of the Estonian army, General Laidoner, ordered the requisitioning of the trains with all their contents in favor of Estonia. “The refugees from the Petrograd province, of whom there were more than 10 thousand, were treated worse than the cattle. They were forced to lie for days in the bitter frost on the railway sleepers, ”an eyewitness wrote about the nightmare that was happening in Estonia.
    The White Talab Regiment, fighting the advancing Reds, was the last to reach the Estonian border. The soldiers and officers crossed the ice to the Estonian side and, as agreed, surrendered their weapons. But they were not allowed into Estonia, and, having directed the machine guns, drove back! The Bolsheviks were already on the other side. The entire regiment was killed under fire from both sides. "
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      0
      26 February 2012 22: 57
      Honestly, I did not specifically investigate this topic. I will. But talking about some kind of taboo is just ridiculous. Recently, only the historian Reigo Rosenthal published a book on this subject, more than 700 art. And other historians do this ...

      The fate of the Northwest Army in late 1919 - early
      1920, after retreating to Estonia

      http://rahvusarhiiv.ra.ee/public/TUNA/Artiklid/2010/2010_Russian.pdf

      And from there first, Rahvusarhiv
      1. Nu daaaa ...
        0
        26 February 2012 23: 04
        "... A rather serious study on this topic was carried out by the Estonian historian Reigo Rosenthal, who describes this difficult situation in his monograph" Loodearmee ".

        Estonia supported the White Guards, despite their non-recognition of Estonian independence, the threat of a “march on Tallinn” and calls to end the “potato republic”. But Estonia was no longer able to continue the war with the Bolsheviks in 1920. An exhausted economy, tired people and other reasons did not allow further support for whites.

        The defeated army of the White Guards, who lost their fighting spirit, turned into a hard-to-manage mass of people in the rear of the Viru Front. Therefore, Estonia simply needed to disarm the soldiers who had accumulated in the Ninar forests. It is worth recalling that the outbreak of typhoid was put to an end only thanks to the intervention of the Estonian military command.

        The decisive event of the war was the defense of Narva in the winter of 1919/20. The Estonian army was able to stop the onslaught of the enemy, many times surpassing it in manpower and artillery, which soon allowed to conclude a truce, and in the future, peace on terms favorable to Estonia.

        In general, it can be said that the victory in the War of Independence was the result of an unprecedented rallying of the Estonian people, which cast off the centuries-old yoke of the rule of foreign rulers. The war ended with the signing of the Tartu Peace Treaty on February 2, 1920.

        Soviet Russia recognized the independence of Estonia, however, Lenin saw this as a temporary truce, a lull necessary to prepare the forces for a new strike and the continuation of the world revolution ... "

        Igor Kopytin
        www.rus.postimees.ee

        http://www.myestonia.ru/publ/nebyvaloe_splochenie_naroda/10-1-0-1021
        1. Roman A
          +2
          26 February 2012 23: 42
          I have a feeling that Estonians are the most peaceful Nord, Only how can I explain to my grandmother from Polotsk (Belarus) what the Baltic states were doing during the 2nd World War with the civilian population
          1. 0
            26 February 2012 23: 50
            Quote: Roman A
            how to explain to my grandmother from Polotsk (Belarus) what the Balts did during the 2nd World War with the civilian population

            wink Yes, I think it’s not necessary, my grandmother herself knows very well. Brothers fraternal greetings to Belarusians!
            1. Roman A
              0
              27 February 2012 00: 08
              Mutually. Babka can and knows, but to us how to understand.
              1. 0
                27 February 2012 00: 18
                Quote: Roman A
                Mutually. Babka can and knows, but how can we understand

                Yes We? We already know what there is and who. We sensed the imaginary cover of our asses, that’s why they’ve wriggled away. Let them yap and twist. Everything is cyclical. It’s a pity that the NKVD and others didn’t work after these types of WWII.
                1. Roman A
                  +1
                  27 February 2012 00: 36
                  The thing is different, they so easily forgave the Germans and remembered the Russians so quickly. Although 20 years ago we were practically close. My mother was born in the Baltic States and was named Yana after their league 1944. It's a shame
                  1. Nu daaaa ...
                    0
                    27 February 2012 02: 31
                    "... Just how to explain to my grandmother from Polotsk (Belarus) what the Balts were doing during the 2nd World War with the civilian population ..."

                    And you, dear, explain first to your grandmother what the USSR did in the Baltic states 40-41, before the warriors (also with the civilian population), and from there we will smoothly move on to the Belorussian theme ... However, about the SS there has already been said what they said the allies of 1945 (then there was still great friendship, it was before Fulton) about the 20th SS Grenadier Division. U.S. High Commission in Germany
                    On April 13, 1950, the leadership of the US High Commission in Germany (HICOG) and US Secretary of State John McCloy signed a document, in particular, indicating:

                    "... The Baltic Waffen SS Units (Baltic Legions) are to be considered as separate and distinct in purpose, ideology, activities, and qualifications for membership from the German SS, and therefore the Commission holds them not to be a movement hostile to the Government of the United States ...

                    In Russian:

                    "... The Baltic SS units (Baltic Legions) should be considered separately, the Baltic Legions had different goals, ideology, actions and membership conditions from the German SS units; therefore, the Commission does not consider this movement hostile to the United States Government ..."

                    Which, of course, is not to the taste of the Russian Foreign Ministry
                    1. +1
                      27 February 2012 02: 45
                      Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                      "... The Baltic SS units (Baltic Legions) should be considered separately, the Baltic Legions had different goals, ideology, actions and membership conditions from the German SS units; therefore, the Commission does not consider this movement hostile to the United States Government ..."

                      laughing laughing oh killed .. BEAUTY laughing "SS" He and in Africa "SS" Yes
                      Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                      US Secretary of State John McCloy

                      Well, there is no steeper authority! bully
                      Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                      therefore the Commission does not consider this movement to be hostile to the United States Government ... "
                      am But this fad?! What is it for us, from that ??? The USA is not hostile! laughing And we are very much! BROTHER "WELL YESaaa" laughing
                    2. Roman A
                      +1
                      27 February 2012 02: 57
                      Dear, you probably didn’t understand when the neighbors come and begin to take revenge on the elderly, children, teachers, ie those who do not fight, do you consider the norm?
                      1. Nu daaaa ...
                        0
                        27 February 2012 03: 27
                        Of course not. But it seems to me that you consider it normal that you shared in the Baltic states 40-41 and 49 to old people, children, teachers, doctors,. And those who did this, heroes ... Have you heard about the log and the knot?
                      2. Roman A
                        0
                        28 February 2012 03: 45
                        Dear if you want ethics, then an example you came home with your wife a healthy man, you sprinkled saliva, went out into the yard, took a KOL and beat your son for a long time in the sandbox of this man, you felt good then you got a plumber for 50 years with this man saying good evening or morning but as soon as the peasant took a heart attack, you are standing over the bed, you remember him his wife
                        But seriously, the Baltic legionnaires are what. The Legionnaire is a unique combat unit - the Bribaltic legionnaire is in prison from the reverse
                        Nu daaaa ... believe me, over time you forgive a lot, especially when you have not seen and felt but revenge for weak children and women is a wretched affair DO NOT BE OFFENDED THIS IS THE TRUTH
                    3. 0
                      27 February 2012 11: 03
                      Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                      "... The Baltic SS units (Baltic Legions) should be considered separately, the Baltic Legions had different goals, ideology, actions and membership conditions from the German SS units; therefore, the Commission does not consider this movement hostile to the United States Government ..."

                      It’s nothing that the tribunal found criminal organizations of the SS, SD, Gestapo and the leadership of the Nazi party (this is about the Nuremberg trials, where the US was one of the prosecutors).
        2. +1
          27 February 2012 09: 30
          Direct betrayal and looting by Estonia is now described as an act of nobility. And this is in relation to the one who recently saved Estonia. You, as you were ungrateful, will remain so.
        3. 0
          27 February 2012 09: 57
          Is this in your story?
          http://topwar.ru/9448-v-estonii-planiruetsya-snyat-film-o-batalone-kotoryy-unich
          tozhal-v-belarussii-evreev.html
  17. +4
    27 February 2012 00: 46
    .
    Quote: Nu daaaa ...
    The decisive event of the war was the defense of Narva in the winter of 1919 / 20 of the year. The Estonian army was able to stop the onslaught of the enemy, which was many times superior to it in manpower and artillery, which soon allowed to conclude a truce, and later peace on favorable terms for Estonia. In general, we can say that the victory in the Liberation War was the result of an unprecedented unity of the Estonian people, dropped the centuries-old yoke of the rule of foreign rulers.

    Well, what will the newly-minted "national" local historians not invent!
    The defense of Narva by Estonians and Germans was in November 1918, but the Red troops quickly took Narva and the Estonian Soviet Republic existed there for almost 2 months, and if it were not for the White Guard Russian formations, then perhaps it would have continued to exist there. Only in January-February of 1919, when the Russian Pskov (Northern) volunteer corps joined the Estonian army, they managed to expel parts of the spacecraft from Estonia. But why in May 1919, the Estonian army invaded the territory of Russia and captured Pskov?
    In October 1919, at the critical moment of the Red offensive, Estonian troops unexpectedly left the coastal flank of the North-West Army defense, which predetermined the success of the Red Army, which unhindered landed troops. The solution to the more than strange behavior of Estonians can be found in the Memorandum of the Estonian Government to the powers of Atlanta from 16.12.1919 “... Two months ago, the Soviet government made a peaceful proposal to the Estonian government, openly declaring that it was ready to recognize Estonia’s independence and autonomy and abandon all offensive actions against it " Thus, backstage negotiations with the Bolsheviks were already in October, at the height of the fighting for Petrograd. And Yudenich’s army was simply sold. At the cost of her death, Estonia bought the right to sovereignty, not yet recognized by any state. The North-West Army did not need Estonia, and they got rid of it in the most brutal way. There was no offensive of the Red Army on the territory of Estonia from May 1919 to 1920, and accordingly there was no liberation struggle.
    “Estonia's repulse of the 'frenzied attacks of the Russian Soviets' is also a blatant lie. The memorandum of the Estonian government was signed on 16.12.19/5.12.19/XNUMX, and long before that, the Estonians sat down with the Bolsheviks at the negotiating table and on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX signed a truce with them in Tartu, according to which they pledged not to the territory of the White Guard formations, and Moscow recognized the independence of Estonia and pledged not to use force against it.
    1. Nu daaaa ...
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      27 February 2012 02: 44
      "... There was no Red Army attack on the territory of Estonia from May 1919 to 1920 ..."

      Right! good By the beginning of January 1919, units of the Red Army occupied a significant part of the territory of Estonia and stood 35 kilometers from Revel. On January 7 of the same year, with the support of the Entente, a joint counterattack of the armed forces of the Republic of Estonia and the Russian Pskov volunteer corps began. As a result of the counterattack, a week later the city of Yuryev was taken, and on January 19 - Narva, which was the temporary capital of the Estland labor commune. In February 1919, parts of the Commune and the 7th Army of the Red Army were ousted from Estonia.

      Attempts by the counter-offensive undertaken by units of the Red Army in February and April 1919 were unsuccessful. In May and October 1919, the White Guard Northwest Army launched an attack on Petrograd twice with the support of the Estonian army, but was driven back to Narva. On May 24, 1919, the advance of the 2nd Estonian Army infantry division in the direction of Pskov began. In accordance with the agreement with the commander of the red rifle division Leonard Rittom, the 1st Estonian Communist Regiment went over to the side of the Estonian army. The forces of the 2nd Infantry Division, meanwhile, dealt a powerful blow to the enemy grouping in the Izborsk area and quickly entered the operational space. On the evening of May 25, the Kuperyanovsky partisan battalion entered Pskov. In total, more than 3 and a half thousand Estonian soldiers took part in the operation, with 262 machine guns, 30 guns, 2 armored cars and 4 armored trains. The actions of the ground forces were also supported by the Peipsi flotilla. During the offensive, the Estonian army took over 1000 prisoners of war and six field guns. On May 29, Colonel Stanislav Bulak-Balakhovich, authorized by the Northern Corps, arrived in Pskov, who took over the administration and the defense of the Pskov region. Right?
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        27 February 2012 02: 53
        laughing Do you have a fad on history? wink I forgot to ascribe in my opus what the US State Department said on this laughing ... Or maybe YOU chip in the game of large countries ????? wink No? not so ??? ... How the card lies and will do with you
        1. Nu daaaa ...
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          27 February 2012 03: 30
          Rex, yuck !! A place!!
  18. Roman A
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    27 February 2012 00: 58
    If Europe wanted Russia 10 times thought, and since it sold the Baltic states during the Northern War
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    27 February 2012 18: 16
    Quote: Nu daaaa ...
    Right?

    Actually, I raised the issue of the disastrous fate of the Northwest Army, the looting of Estonian authorities towards internees and refugees (General Laidoner is just a marauder and a sadist), and how this is connected with Estonia gaining independence. If you want more detailed coverage and analysis, then see the following.
    The Soviet power in Estonia at the beginning of 1918 was established by the Estonians themselves. On February 1, on November 1918, the Executive Committee of the RSD Council of Estonia published the draft constitution of the Estland Labor Commune, according to which the future Estonian Soviet Republic was proclaimed an autonomous republic within Soviet Russia.
    Next begins the occupation of Estonia by German troops, a military occupation regime is established. German authorities persecuted both Bolsheviks and Estonian nationalists. During the occupation, about 5 of thousands of people were arrested, before 400 they were executed. Päts was also sent to prison. A Landesrat was formed, proclaiming the creation of the Baltic Duchy, led by the Duke of Mecklenburg.
    In May 1918, Estonian Bolsheviks create Red Estonian regiments. In November 1918, they, together with units of the Red Army, advance and take Narva. They were opposed by the German regiment, the White-Estonian regiment and the Narva squad of the Kaiteseliite. Thus, the characteristic of all areas of the former empire is deployed. Civil War.
    The Estland Labor Commune is being created in Narva (chairman - J. Anvelt). 7.12.1918 The Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR issued a decree recognizing the independence of the Estland labor commune, i.e. Russia for the first time on its own initiative recognizes the independence of the Estonian state formation. But the ETC makes big mistakes in domestic politics, the main of which is the non-allocation of land to peasants from former landowner possessions. As a result, the peasantry, and there were almost 70% of it in the country, began to move away from the Bolsheviks and leaned toward the White-Estonian Provisional Government of Päts, which, with 20.12.18, had widely distributed the decree granting land to soldiers free of charge. The White Estonian army was strengthened by draftees and volunteers.
    In January, the 1919, having received help from the Entente (the English squadron, supply of B and BT, uniforms), connecting the forces of the Northern Russian Corps and Finnish volunteers, the White-Estonian troops went on the offensive and forced out parts of the spacecraft and ETK squads outside Estonia.
    However, they did not stop there and invaded the territory of the Petrograd and Pskov provinces of the RSFSR. In February-March, the 1919 Red Army tried to oust the White Estonians from its territory (Izborsk and Pechory), but failed. In April, peace talks were proposed to Estonia, but no response was received (Gen. Laidoner delivered a bellicose speech at the UB). And in May 1919, the case moved into a new phase of confrontation - almost joint aggression The northwestern army of Yudenich and the Estonian troops on the territory of the RSFSR, and this can not apply to the war of liberation.
    Do you consider the aggressive campaign of the Estonian army with weapons from the Entente in May 1919 to the Russian Pskov "liberating"?
    Another thing is the fight against the Baltic Duchy.
    I already wrote about the events at the end of 1919.