Questions about Emperor Nicholas II Alexandrovich

Nicholas II became, to put it in the modern language, the most ineffective manager of all Russian emperors, not counting Ivan VI Antonovich and Peter III Fedorovich, who, in fact, didn’t have time to do anything. As for Catherine I Alekseevna and Peter II Alekseevich, at least they did not spoil anything from the heritage of Peter I Alekseevich during their relatively short stay on the Russian throne (two years each).

Generally, if carried out historical analogy, Nicholas II on the basis of his reign can be called Barack Obama of the Russian Empire, if not worse. The last Russian emperor lost and ruined everything that he could lose and ruin: the Russo-Japanese War, the First World War, the state, the throne, family, life.

As is known, in August 2000, Nicholas II and his whole family were canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church, glorified as the martyrs "in the assembly of the new martyrs and confessors of Russia." Here I am not protesting, but only asking questions.

The first question is: if Nicholas II was canonized, then why are the legitimate emperors Ivan VI Antonovich and Peter III Fedorovich mentioned above still not listed among the saints? The circumstances of life and death in all three are very similar: the overthrow, imprisonment, murder in imprisonment.

The second question: how could a saint be confused with an easy-going ballerina Matilda Felixovna Kshesinskaya, that is, if you call a spade a spade, be one of her lovers? It may be objected that St. Vladimir the Baptist had many concubines. But they were before the baptism of Prince Vladimir!

The third question is: if the victims of 1937 – 1938 shootings at the Butovo training ground were canonized, why are the victims of the Bloody Sunday of the 1905 of the year and the victim of the Lena shooting of the 1912 of the year? The circumstances of life and death are also very similar for everyone: the discrepancy with the authorities in their views on the prevailing life circumstances, and as a result - the shooting.

And after Lensky was shot, there are those who claim that Bloody Sunday was an accident.

If after Bloody Sunday only the workers felt humiliated and deceived, after the Third June 1907 coup the whole Russian society turned out to be in this position, with the exception of persons close to the emperor.

Thus, Nicholas II himself laid under his autocracy those timepieces that were blown up by his enemies at a convenient time for them.

In any case, it is Nikolai II who is responsible for everything that happened to Russia and in Russia from November 1 1894 to March 15 1917, inclusive.

Of course, history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. But just imagine for a second what would happen if in 1941 Russia ruled this very unfortunate king ...

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[serg2108]

there would be a complete train ....... but, although FIG knows it all the same 3 years on 3 fronts, the empire fought and even won 2 ... we take Austria-Hungary, Germany. ... and the Caucasian front

[Pancir026]

Quote: serg2108

and full.

It's right.
The mediocre figure in the history of the government of Russia, except perhaps Gorbachev and Yeltsin, in his contemptible ..

Quote: serg2108

We take Austria-Hungary, Germany. ... and the Caucasian front

And what? Territorial losses on the Western Front are enormous losses in personnel are the same, no sense from the victims of the army, no, sending an expeditionary force is a bad idea at all ..
Total, the country then lost .. mediocre was a manager, mediocre.

[Diana Ilyina]

All liberal-monarchist myths about the Great Patriotic War, about how the enemy was covered up with corpses, about one rifle for three and five rounds of ammunition and other and other things, it’s just not taken from the ceiling, but is directly related to the WWII and the specific state of the army RI. The bloody Nicholas was such an “effective” manager that he followed the Entente in all matters, and the soldier sold like cattle to France because the French promised to put shells for guns and cartridges for rifles. So make conclusions that it would be in 1941 if we had such an "effective manager" at the helm ...

In general, all this fuss around the most worthless ruler with attempts to whitewash his name and make him look like a patient from the Bolshevik "bloody" regime is very similar to the attempt to destabilize Russia in the centenary of the Great October Socialist Revolution. But the trouble is what kind of monarchists it is, all polls show that we have a very small number of monarchists (I sometimes get the impression that they all registered in VO), but the support for a positive assessment of the activities of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin is growing steadily, and among young people and it can not but rejoice!

[Red dwarf]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

but the support for a positive assessment of the activities of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin is growing steadily, and this among young people can not but rejoice!

Nothing of the kind, first of all, the number of people who have no idea about that time is growing and there’s nobody to ask them, well, unless you, as an eyewitness of those events, feel free to tell your grandmother please how it was under Stalin.

[INVESTOR]

Could not fail to be noted in this thread Zemlyachka, everyone would be shot in the basement without trial and investigation, but drowned on barges ...

[Monarchist]

It was like that, and some Her grandson succeeded. Remember how "dad Hello" praised him, and he began to "appear" with Anal.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

and soldier like cattle sold to France for what the French promised

In fact, he sent to France 10 times less than the French asked, and not immediately. The USSR also saved the allies in premature offensives.

Quote: Diana Ilyina

here is the support for a positive assessment of the activities of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin

Yes, the problem is that he was not immortal. And there is a version that he did not die his death.

[Monarchist]

Diana, about one rifle for three, this was unfortunately traditionally in the Russian army: under Peter the Russians were at first inferior to the Swedes as weapons, and then surpassed.
In the OJ, the "Shmetilo machine gun" and the so-called "Gobyato mortar" are from there- a lack of weapons.
In WWI, in order not to be unfounded, read Fedorov "In Search of Weapons" and then you will definitely know.
World War II in 1941 "cartridge-weapon hunger" (at Drabkin and somewhere else, I met) and a terrible ditty: "Soon, the Christmas trees will bloom, they will give us rifles"
Remember near Moscow, Stalin individually distributed machine guns and anti-tank rifles throughout the armies!
Read: Zhukov, Drabkin, Azarov, Brezhnev, when a soldier gave the most expensive ammunition on his friend’s birthday!
Zhukov in 1956 said: at the beginning of 1942 we didn’t even have gunpowder for rifle cartridges, and only lend'-lease helped out. On our site official data on the supply of weapons was provided. If we had it available, FIGs would be ordered from the Allies.
Remember Stalin’s toast at the Podsdam Conference: "for American engines, without which we would lose"? But Stalin did not say nothing! I am not a fan of Stalin, but I respect him

[Uncle Murzik]

darling Monarchist about Stalin's piece-wise distribution of machine guns and PTR can be found in more detail! or link?

[Rvanina]

Distributed and tanks and mortars and even PPSh in the winter of 41 years. Itself and

[Uncle Murzik]

Rvanina Well, you probably have a link?

[nickname7]

wrote the monarchist

Remember near Moscow, Stalin individually distributed machine guns and anti-tank rifles throughout the armies!

That's bullshit
Cartridges and machine guns, where do they come from? they are made by industry.
That is, industrialization, electrification and the construction of new factories counted in the thousands did nothing at all? As with the agrarian RII, and with the industrial USSR, there were not enough cartridges?
If the RII fought against one country - Germany, then the union fought against 15 countries of Europe. the difference must be taken into account, but the rounds might not be enough, but the "lack" is against
The first and the “lack” against 1 countries, these are different “shortages” The industry of the whole RII was inferior to the German one, by the way why did the tsar allow the backlog? But the industry of the union was already comparable with Europa, the achievements of Soviet power are undeniable.
The king possessed power, but did not realize the opportunity, and history itself threw the king into a landfill.
They don’t like monarchists, not because they are monarchists, but because they lie.
Authors are better off looking for biases.
Boris Yulin on preparations for the First World War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZO-_-R5zTk&t
= 18s
historian Boris Yulin about industrialization
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g5RtR6eMHM
It is interesting that under the tsar the policy was pursued - "private is more effective than the state" state military factories were transferred to "private hands" and as a result, during the war, arms prices soared. And the British nationalized part of their private factories in order to prevent price increases, the difference in approaches is evident, therefore, the British monarchy has survived, and the monarchy has grown and “sunk into oblivion”

[Zulu_S]

Where did you get this data? Regular cheats impersonating public opinion.

[Rvanina]

No, according to historians and witnesses to the meetings, he often did it himself during the battle for Moscow .. But what offended you so much? Distributed and distributed .. Another question is that he was distracted by such trifles when others had to do this, but focus attention on this and turn it into a subject of dispute ...

[Rvanina]

About the corpses: From the new borders to Moscow, providing "fierce resistance" ran for a little over 4 months, while losing more than 3 with more than millions! Captured. (This is the speed with which you must run) They drove back to new borders with a "filthy broom" for 2 years 8 months. These are just numbers. As of January 42, 6.5 million barrels were missing from the army ... Read the memos and just the recollections of the militias during the battle of Moscow — what they were armed with — from Polish rifles to Japanese Arisak. On the Leningrad front there are memos where black in Russian is written for the shortfalls of personal weapon barrels literally platoon battalion-style. There is a bunch of documents and evidence confirming this. (If you wish, you will find) When liberating the earlier occupied territories again !!!! Again !!! 1.9 million people were called up, it’s all those who dropped their weapons and remained for some reason in the occupied territories (and that’s not all). In 2012, the Germans handed over documents of captured Red Army soldiers with photos and fingerprints from their archives ... 5 million people! And this, as historians believe, is not the limit. An example of a dumping of corpses was digging a digger familiar from the left — the field on the right is a swamp — The regiment lay down in front of the river almost completely — works there for years there, he said. medallions — They’re not buried! —they rotted where they were lying — the funeral team only robbed the soldiers and that’s all. But the most interesting thing is that the fully-dressed soldiers were in the swamp — moreover, it’s like a swamp — it’s just swampy terrain and no one even bothered to pick up the funeral medallions nor take off the uniform. They also found relatives from St. Petersburg, they came to the funeral and none of those and others was even buried !!!! decayed because their death overtook. All the person has photos and maps of this place. The soldier’s attitude towards our brother was always bestial. They crammed the funnels with earth and, at best, put on a cross and a wooden tag with a pencil that says that in a couple of weeks it will fade or someone kicks no tires ..

[avva2012]

I do not know what to say. Neurons shorted? What did you want to say? Where and when, which enemy had previously met with tank and motorized groups that the Germans used (800-1000 tanks, 200 thousand infantry on trucks, field and heavy artillery with tractors moving at the speed of tanks)? Can a fully mobilized army of France? How is the boiler near Dunkirk, more than 1 million people? You came to VO, here, sometimes they read history, and not Mr. manuals.

[Rvanina]

Well, I brought the numbers. Although the mobilized army was crawling forward, even with tractors, it means the Germans were able to crawl quickly on their belly. The second is a question for the intellectuals: Why was the mobilized German army moving on tractors with guns and tanks at such a speed? They probably drove downhill constantly because they rolled fast ... Hmm, no ... Those who were supposed to defend themselves from a mobilized army had to run even faster than the Germans were riding in their tractors and tanks? The time intervals of the offensive compare. It's just, it's numbers. You’re a reader of the Moscow region and not a deletant, compare numbers and dates, if Russia were half as France, the fate of the country would be much sadder. And let them be surrounded by Dunkirk, but they were taken out ... Do you feel the difference?
According to official data from the British Navy, during the operation Dynamo (May 26 to June 4, 1940), a total of 338 Allied troops were evacuated from the French coast in the Dunkirk area [226] [6]. Of this amount, before the start of Operation Dynamo, 21 thousand British troops were evacuated to the British Isles from the Dunkirk area [59,3], and 5 thousand British [139,8] and 5 thousand troops from the countries were removed during Operation Dynamo Allies [139] (about 5 thousand French [90], as well as Belgians and military personnel of other allied countries ... The question is, where is the million there? Your imagination works irrepressibly
Statements about neurons and other parts of the body to yourself. I do not touch yours

[avva2012]

About neurons, everything is valid. Are you talking about crawling and humping, do you raise such questions because you understand tactics and strategies? In what year did they graduate from the Frunze Academy? I’m graduating from another university and therefore I use the information and opinions of people who read special books more than me. The cauldron near Dunkirk began with the battle of the same name, just like the cauldron of the Kiev family, began with the battle, the defense of this city. As I understand it, it’s logical, because these are links of one chain. So, even Wikipedia gives the number of participants from the side of the allies, 120 0000 people. Other sources estimate about a million. Subtract, where did the rest go? Most likely, not all were taken out. No one knows about the colossal irreparable loss.
About the initial period of the Second World War, as I understand it, the opinion of the military historian Alexei Isaev is not of interest to you. Academy, you did not finish, as they say in the people. At VO, there is a heading "Opinion", maybe you should go there?

[Rvanina]

This is a lecture by the historian Isaev and not only by the way)) One of the many, see at least the Hour of Truth, there are a lot of interesting things and information including (well, you can of course immediately gasp and blaspheme the historians who give information there, your right). Since Dunkirk were about 350t.h even on wikipedia were evacuated. About the colossal loss is not known? This is how? -Data on prisoners to December 41, inclusively known to everyone. This is not counting the missing and dead, and once again, from the Dunkirk military personnel by the way, the Dynamo operation was evacuated! considered as one of the most successful evacuation operations. About a million for the first time I hear, about prisoners, the French, yes, but in Dunkirk there wasn’t a million for sure. And how do you know that I was finishing? And then why should I understand tactics and strategies. How much is from the new border to Moscow? - By a curve of the order of 2 thousand kilometers? How long did it take for the Germans to approach Moscow? 4 with an incomplete month - they drove back, 2 years and 8 months, that's all strategy and tactics for you — I say this only from the standpoint of dry numbers. But they are a stubborn thing, but why it happened, reasons ... There are many, now in this case it does not matter, the consequences are important. I said, and I repeat again, you don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead and graduate from 10 higher institutions — take a pencil — and start from age 41, even according to off-data, consider losses up to age 45 — simply the largest and similar operations, and you will not see coincidence with the same off.data min. defense and their own data on total losses, they contradict themselves !!!!

[avva2012]

You know, I’m used to arguing not for the argument itself, but for the sake of a certain result. Otherwise, the argument turns into a two-voice monologue. As far as I understand you about the losses, you are a supporter of the version that is popular with the freedom-loving public. I dare not persuade you. The site has enough of your views, I hope you have something to talk about with them. I hope we no longer bother each other.

[Rvanina]

Well, if you prefer the fairy tales of the MO about 15 million, then for God's sake. See only that awakening is not painful ... and not on your skin

[Pancir026]

Quote: Rvanina

See only that awakening is not painful ... and not on your skin

Do you already itch?
But for the fact that you are based on false data, trying to operate directly, say, rotten digits, they will soon begin to knock on the back of your neck with your bat, so as not to blame them on your own country.
As you explain it, "the number of prisoners of war taken by the Germans near Kiev, Vyazma and in border battles in 1941 was overstated by 6 or more times. In particular, before the start of the Kiev operation, there were 677 Soviet soldiers and officers in the entire South-Western Front, they fought from July 085 to September 7, 26, after which 1941 150 people escaped encirclement and moved to the rear lines. A significant number of troops left the encirclement and joined the withdrawn troops. But our historians, following Goebbels persistently insist on the alleged 541 thousand surrendered captured near Kiev Soviet soldiers and officers. "

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[Uncle Murzik]

Rvanina with a return! you still refer to Solzhenitsyn and Rezun! happy to read your scientific work!

[Rvanina]

I’d better refer to the data of the Ministry of Defense, it’s subject to data on prisoners at the beginning of 41 years of 3.5 million. For the whole war, according to their data, more than 6 and 4 were not taken back from captivity. There are already 4 million losses of the Red Army. Not counting the deaths, only how many are missing gone? I don’t know personally, but I believe that a lot. Under Rzhev, irretrievable losses were estimated at hundreds of thousands. Of course, I don’t agree with the figures for a million, but there only over a decade the first 42 years, more than 140 thousand died, and if Rzhev was released only in 43 (the Germans themselves), then it’s not difficult to calculate the losses ... Count in this way until the age of 45, it won’t work out 8.9 million. Well, no way. You present the data yourself MO. Then do you disagree with them? What are soul notes then?

[buzzilio]

Let's start with this question: what was Hitler counting on when he was planning Barbarossa?
After all, the Germans cannot be considered idiots either. Intelligence also worked for them. And if the Wehrmacht had superiority in people, although not very large, then in tanks and aircraft, they did not even have a numerical superiority. Hitler made the main bet on the very one - the "5th column" inside the Soviet generals. And I must say that she almost succeeded. Pavlov, the commander of the Western Front, as well as other generals - actually merged the front. If the Baltic and South-West somehow restrained the onslaught, then in the middle a gigantic gap was formed. And immediately 2 tank groups rushed into it. And all subsequent actions until December 1941 flowed one from the other: thanks to the reserves and strategic initiative, the Wehrmacht was able to concentrate punching fists, sometimes with 10-fold superiority, on a narrow section of the front, and then create an environment using those same tank wedges. And all the defensive activities of the Red Army consisted in plugging the holes formed in the defense.
Hence such great losses. Which, by the way. were not in vain - for in the end, by December 1941, the Wehrmacht was "exhausted." And his strategic goal - the capture of Moscow and access to the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line did not reach. Actually, the strategic plan of the blitzkrieg itself was disrupted - and then a protracted war of economies began. In which the Wehrmacht no longer had any particular advantages.

And keep in mind - in 1941 the Germans attacked the unprepared defense, especially in the anti-tank version. In the best case, the anti-tank defense of the 1941-42 model is infantry in the trenches and a battery of forty goodbyes, Farewell to the Motherland, very rarely 57 mm or 76 mm. Thirty-four tank ambushes (Katukov near Mtsensk) are even less common. Accordingly, the sustainability of such a defense is a matter of several minutes (or tens of minutes). After one or two shots, the 45 mm will unmask itself in any way - and after that it will not live very long. This is on condition that they survived after the artillery preparation and after the "Junkers" raid. And for the most part - the tanks generally met units with the loud name "tank destroyers", the most important weapons of which were anti-tank rifles. Well, of course - pomegranates and Molotov cocktails.
From here follows such a relatively “quick” advance of the Wehrmacht from the border to Moscow. In fact, Hitler hoped to be in Moscow around the end of August and early September, but the direct attack on Moscow - Operation Typhoon - only began on September 30.
So, I repeat - and with such meager forces, not only the blitzkrieg was broken, but also tanks and reserves were knocked out, as a result, the general strategic offensive of the Germans on the entire eastern front was exhausted.
And this is why then they moved back slowly - 2,5 years - precisely because the Nazis had a lot of time to prepare fortifications and powerful anti-tank defense. Remember how many rivers flow across the flat territory of Russia. But every river is a natural line of defense.
By the way, the most powerful of all such lines created was not the Seeelovskie Heights on the Oder, and not the "Eastern Wall" on the Dnieper. The most powerful defense was near Oryol, in 1943 - very rough terrain, solid anti-tank fortifications, ravines, ditches, hollows, minefields + a bunch of pillboxes and bunkers. And besides, our lack of heavy equipment and experience to storm such fortifications. By the middle of 1943, self-propelled guns of the SU-152 or SU-122 type had just begun to be massively supplied to the troops, the main tank was still the T-34-76, and a heavy KV, both with a 76-mm cannon, which in 1943 was already not enough for fight against pillboxes. Nevertheless, the Battle of Kursk began on July 5, and by August 5 we had freed Oryol and Belgorod.
And then everywhere - right up to Berlin, we actually “nibbled” the German defense. And the Germans diligently and meticulously used all the conditions of the area, pouring everything that is possible into concrete and mining where possible. Therefore, we did not have such an “easy walk” as the Wehrmacht in 1941.
And also such a moment. It was only with the liberals that we "threw corpses." In fact, since 1943 people have been cherished, and they could have been brought to the tribunal for "scamming with corpses" of another commander. Therefore, the offensive was carried out according to the principle: reconnaissance - artillery concentration - fire roll - offensive. We traveled 100-200 km, consolidated, pulled up the rear, drove up ammunition, and again over again .... And all this time.
The lion's share of losses is precisely the losses of the first period of the war.
And when, since 1943, we took possession of the strategic initiative and got the opportunity to plan our offensive ourselves - where it is profitable for us, then the opportunity arose to prepare well. Even with the encirclement near Stalingrad, the technology of the "fire shaft" and the concentration of artillery on the offensive site were worked out. As General Moskalenko said, "At a concentration of 200 barrels per kilometer, they do not report losses, neither their own nor the enemy, they only report on their occupied positions." According to the testimonies of the participants in the battles, sometimes after the artillery preparation on the first, and sometimes the second line of defense, the infantry marched without any resistance at all, only periodically smoking stunned fascists from the cracks.
And to compare losses, here are the numbers.
In the Battle of Stalingrad, losses on each side amounted to: 1,1 million from ours, 950 thousand from the German one. The assault on Stalingrad lasted 3 months. The Germans never took the city.

The Berlin operation was actually carried out in 2 weeks. The total irretrievable losses on our part, including the assault on the Zeelovsky heights - 23 thousand. The official German - also about 20-25 thousand. But considering that only 200 thousand were able to break out of the 15 thousandth Zeelov group in Berlin, it’s easy to guess the true scale of the losses.
Zhukov, by the way, is accused of being a “butcher,” allegedly stormed the Zeelovsky heights “on the forehead”. Meanwhile, the losses of the 8th Guards Army under the command of Chuikov, and the 1st Panzer Katukov (which were the main striking force of the 1st Belorussian Front under the command of Zhukov) suffered a total loss of 6 thousand, including battles in Berlin itself.
Compare this with Stalingrad, where in one day a whole division could lie down on Mamaev’s mound ...

And where did you get about the "4 million" losses in captivity? The official irretrievable losses of the Red Army, including 8,7 million that did not return from captivity.
And where did they come from - “4 million prisoners” at the beginning of the war, when there was only about 3,5 million on the border ... Well, it turns out that if they actually “captured” the whole army at once, then why didn’t they rush to Moscow and Leningrad? What prevented that?
It would seem - since the whole army at the border was destroyed and captured - form columns and march in a victorious march to the Kremlin itself ....

At first, probably, the Nazis planned it ... And then out of nowhere ... the evil Ivan, all in bandages and with a grenade in his hand. - and the whole column got up ... And then ran - right up to Berlin ....))

[nickname7]

The liberals were even more ineffective than Nicholas, having overthrown the tsar they brought the country to collapse, and when the Bolsheviks began to restore order, the liberals began to sabotage and oppose the owls. authorities. Lying and groaning owls. power is revenge on more successful systems.
World War I, it was already a war of economies, industry, and technology, not armies. And in this, capitalist Europe was ahead of the feudal RII. Moreover, the gap widened. figures voiced by B. Yulin about 1 thousand machine guns a month, made RII, and in Germany made 50 thousand machine guns a month. In the states they made 270 thousand cars, in France 400 thousand, and RII made as many as 45 cars, the fate of the RII was predetermined, she was - would be won sooner or later. And only the Soviet government was able to bring industry and technology to a level comparable to the West, for which liberals, owls. hate power.

[dep071]

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assessments of the activities of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin is steadily growing, and among young people this is good news!

- you have an unhealthy attraction to the destruction of your own people. The "Mustachioed Manager" from 1937 to 1953, including the incompetent command of the troops, with the same cheeky (Khrushchev asked to increase quotas for execution) and the mustachioed military, laid 20 Russian, or maybe all 30 million people in the ground. An army of about 3 million people, according to various sources, was surrounded in the early days of the war !!! The great restoration of the country after the war took place on the blood and bones of our long-suffering people, and the youth no longer know this and will never know. And the definition of "enemy of the people" was only among the Mongols under Genghis Khan, a bloodthirsty and completely wild.
The conclusion is this: you must ALWAYS remember the cost of certain victories, read and learn history, and not burn or rewrite it in order to be readable !!!

[Weyland]

Quote: Pancir026

and on the Western front, enormous losses in personnel

Yeah, especially compared to 1941 ...

[Pancir026]

Quote: Weyland

especially compared to 1941

In this regard, it must be said that in June 1941 the German army numbered 8,5 million people, had industry and armaments of all the European countries conquered by it, with a population of about 400 million people (USSR - 195 million people) and no less 2,5 million people of the armies of the allies of Germany. That is, 5 million of the USSR army in 1941 was opposed by 11 million of the European army, which, of course, was confident of victory. And the Soviet people were not deceived, but saved. Hitler all over the world declared that in the East he was waging a war of extermination.

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[yehat]

The empire totaled more than 160 million people
it would be strange if she couldn’t do anything.
only Germany, with 40 million people and the main forces on the western front, fought on equal terms with the Russian empire. Which is already based on this is strange.

the article lopsidedly describes the problems of Nicholas 2. the main problem was his self-removal from the management of the empire, which led to its destruction from the inside. The defeat in Russian-Japanese against this background is a trifle.

[gorgo]

Before discussing the topic of why the author was ranked, and this was not ranked as a saint, the author should first try to understand at least a little what “the face of saints” is, for which and whom they “rank” him. In other words, you should not go into questions about which you have only a vague idea, so as not to become the object of condescending smiles among people who know.

[Alf]

Quote: gorgo

so as not to become the object of condescending smiles among people who know.

So enlighten us, blue-legged. And explain why the saint was closed up for saints?

[Reptiloid]

NOT at all --- need to ask, but for what?
In order for the Russians to repent, repent, repent !!!!! And I also need to ask as much as possible about the false successors. I saw on the network a photo of the Russian representative and the false successor, the daughter of a high-ranking Nazi officer ..
Why did they make it syat ??? also due to the fact that the church has repeatedly talked about the possibility of a revival of the monarchy in Russia. Probably, the monarchists dream about it on the site.

[borov]

Quote: Reptiloid

In order for the Russians to repent, repent, repent !!!!! And I also need to ask as much as possible about the false successors. I saw on the network a photo of the Russian representative and the false successor, the daughter of a high-ranking Nazi officer ..

http://3rm.info/publications/17638-kirillovichi-k
ak-zhertvy-xolokosta.html
There are many of them - heirs - what does this have to do with the topic? You are against the monarchy but
and you can be promoted and made an "heir." Modern media will allow. Just what will it change?

Quote: Reptiloid

Why did they make a saint ??? also due to the fact that the church has repeatedly talked about the possibility of a revival of the monarchy in Russia. Probably, the monarchists dream about it on the site.

What are you dreaming of? You already have everything! EBNa no! Now we are thriving! But the church (main popes) does not need a monarchy, it now has a "symphony of authorities"!

http://3rm.info/publications/56429-sovremennoe-so
stoyanie-pravoslaviya-averkiy-taushev.html

[Uncle Murzik]

borov you probably don’t know that nikolashka signed the abdication at the same time DURING THE WAR! threw the country like a broken toy, which led to the Provisional Government and the collapse of the army! the most interesting thing is that Nikolai the foreign courtiers also left their relatives!

[Reptiloid]

After all, how many years before the revolution it was said that this would happen !!!!!! "" IN THE FIRE OF REVOLUTIONS COMES 16TH YEAR "" !!!!! The poet was a little bit wrong. Even the songs were, on both sides, in content, about the death. Nothing was done !!!!!!! All the relatives, both Russian and foreign ------ turned away. And how did the church react to the abdication?
And now they’ve made a saint. Why? There are no heroically characters in that power! So, they need to be invented! The Tsar and Stolypin ---- but they don’t pull on the heroes. The ARMY turned away. The highest ranks saw all the flaws, did not want to fight in alliance with sworn Britons !!!!!. Despised !!!!!!

[Uncle Murzik]

borov didn’t they make the generals sign the abdication of nicholas? you sure to Pig!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

borov didn’t they make the generals sign the abdication of nicholas? you sure to Pig!

Uncle Murzik !!!!!! What are we talking about? It can be seen that the man drank and walks !!!!! Horses, people mixed together ... Here he immediately talks to everyone. Just like a radio. It repeats the same thing several times.

[Uncle Murzik]

respected Reptiloid such as borov apparently do not read what, just give links to such a movie! from these films you can find out that ordinary people in Russia ate strictly sturgeon and caviar, for some reason they didn’t live long, the average life expectancy in tsarist Russia was only 30 years! apparently from overeating

[Uncle Murzik]

borov, unlike you, I’m not even lying! In general, in 1913 the life expectancy in various countries was: Great Britain - 52 years, Japan - 51, France - 50, USA - 50, Germany - 49, Italy - 47 , China - 30, India - 23 years. [56] In Russia - 30,5 years. [576. Population and Life Expectancy / Royal ...
nnre.ru ›History› Myths and reality

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

respected Reptiloid such as borov apparently do not read what, just give links to such a movie! from these films you can find out that ordinary people in Russia ate strictly sturgeon and caviar, for some reason they didn’t live long, the average life expectancy in tsarist Russia was only 30 years! apparently from overeating

Uncle Murzik !!!!!!!
HA-HA-HA !!!!!!! borov continues to drink !!!!!!!!! Someone he recalls with his absurdity! In Ukraine, a pig drinks and people make people laugh with its performances, here the boar is licked and talking .., cries about Nikolay2, he turns the same movie ..... he didn’t recognize his relatives ---- his relatives are Svanidze and Mlecin !!!! !!.
And about the advertising of that time, I wrote here on May 30 ---- all well-fed and satisfied on the posters, even brought a book, I would read a hog, cry. PR is PR.
A cool article came out yesterday. Fursov and Fefelov. Answers many questions and has something in common with this topic.

[avva2012]

The one who made the February Revolution, those who spread all kinds of abominations about the royal family and Rasputin, those who stole in the rear, fattened on army supplies, and many, who. Do you think the Bolsheviks? Think further, this is helpful.

[borov]

Quote: avva2012

The one who made the February Revolution, those who spread all kinds of abominations about the royal family and Rasputin, those who stole in the rear, fattened on army supplies, and many, who. Do you think the Bolsheviks? Think further, this is helpful.

You better write this to Diana Ilyina! ;)

[avva2012]

If, you haven’t noticed yet, it’s not always when they answer, then the information is intended directly to the opponent. Different people go to the site and with a different level of training. I would like for more than one point of view to prevail and that the outside observer would not have a misconception about the topic of discussion.

[Uncle Murzik]

borov did they save nicholas?

[Weyland]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

signed the abdication at what during the war!

Under severe pressure total general, by the way - who believed that Michael would do better. What does it mean to quit? He denied in favor of a brother, very popular in the army - and not some self-proclaimed Provisional Government! ...

[Uncle Murzik]

Weyland war is not the time for renunciation! It was necessary to renounce after the defeat in the REV

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

just imagine for a second what would happen if in 1941 this very unfortunate king ruled Russia... Well, it is quite known from the experience of 1914: if in 1941 Nicholas II ruled Russia, the Russian Army would fight in East Prussia and Turkey. But if Joseph I Dzhugashvili ruled Russia ... then already in November 1914 would have to fight near Moscow, and St. Petersburg would be in a German blockade.

[Pancir026]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

The Russian Army would fight in East Prussia and Turkey

Mushrooms would grow in the mouth, and the grandmother would become a grandfather.
Stalin defeated the united EUROPE, Nikolashka lost the country.

[avt]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

Well, it is quite known from the experience of 1914: if Nicholas II had ruled Russia in 1941, the Russian Army would have fought on the territory of East Prussia

And there it would have fallen faster than a piggy squeal, and the Germans would only bother with refueling equipment, the only real factor would hinder their progress even to the Urals, and maybe even further.

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

.And if Joseph I Dzhugashvili would rule Russia ... then already in November 1914

He would have been the generals pushing him into the war, a completely established fact and yes-and-so-voiced, would have shot as conspirators and would not have climbed into a harlot. And he would have saved the Empire, as he actually had it in 1941-1945, and saved it. Yes, he also took Port Arthur, pronik Nikolai, and Sakhalin as a whole with the Kuril Islands in addition. So Atets is a friend of athletes, it is an objective reality in concrete actions, and your

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

1914 would have to fight near Moscow, and St. Petersburg would be in a German blockade.

there is a kind of infantile - teenage daydreaming.

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

Quote: avt

this is an objective reality in specific acts

Yes, reality ... In 1914, Russia fought against THREE empires in alliance with two other large states. In 1941, the USSR entered the war against ONE empire, the German Reich, with an alliance again with two large states. However, this time the war cost much harder, thanks to the greatest generalissimo Dzhugashvili.

[Alf]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

In 1941, the USSR entered the war against ONE empire — the German Reich — with an alliance again with two large states.

Correction, with all of Europe, which quietly worked for Germany.

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

in alliance with the other two large states.

About such friends say, With such allies no enemies are needed.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Actually, not all of Europe. And the help to the Nazis was largely purely symbolic, especially compared to the scale of the work of German industry: http://oldadmiral.livejournal.com/34518.html

[Mordvin 3]

Yeah, symbolic. You read right here in VO: "As Henry Ford Hitler instructed."

[Rastas]

Aleksei Vladimirovich, when you say “against the three empires”, you will immediately imagine huge colossus attacking Russia. However, let's take it in order. The Ottoman Empire was so strong that it received lule even from Bulgarians with Serbs, as in 1912. Austria-Hungary was so great that its units, including the Slavic composition, were surrendered in batches. Even the memories of Russian officers are, as the Czechs made their way to them and said that it’s better to attack now, then we will surrender, otherwise at dawn their units will be strengthened by the Hungarians. In fact, Germany alone fought against the Entente.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Dear rastas, let me remind you that the Austrian units stopped the Italian offensive in the Alps, so that Austria-Hungary was not quite a ballast on the shoulders of Kaiser Germany. Yes, and the Turks from the time of the Balkan War with the help of the Germans trained the troops well, it is enough to recall the Dardanelles landing of the Anglo-French and how the Turks drove the British on the Mesopotamian front.

[avt]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

.In 1914, Russia fought against THREE empires in alliance with two other large states.

Yes

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

,reality.

And with himself, at the head of Nikolashka, he conquered the Empire

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

Yes, yes, reality ...

And Stalin at the head of the VKPb Fighting until 1944 ONE on one

Quote: Alf

- with all of Europe,

Having paid with gold for a land lease, He won the war and Berlin took. Learn materiel in comparison, and not, "tap a home farm" on a computer. Then you will understand why

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

. However, this time the war cost much harder, thanks to the greatest Generalissimo Dzhugashvili.

If the mind itself is not enough, let me tell you - Nobody developed the Ost plan in 1914 for the Empire. They managed to do small concentration camps to create great Ukrainians. And in the occupied territory, civilians in the First World War were not destroyed, like the Nazis in the Patriotic War. So no spit on the graves - you'll be healthier.

[strannik1985]

[quote = ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH] [quote = avt] In 1941, the USSR entered the war against ONE empire — the German Reich — with an alliance again with two large states. However, this time the war cost much more, thanks to the greatest generalissimo Dzhugashvili. [/ quote]
Does it make any difference to you? Germany, that in WWI, that in WWII, is the strongest on land. In World War I, it had two land fronts (the offensive of the 1st and 2nd Russian armies in 1914 ended in failure), in World War II, by the time of the attack on the USSR, there was one land front, aviation and navy fought in the West.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

My dear, do you really appreciate the Russian soldiers and officers so low that you prefer to forget about the fact of the successful reflection of the attempts of large-scale encirclement of Russian troops by the Germans in 1915? And that the Russian army one The Caucasian front was held by the vast majority of the Turkish army. The one that repelled the Anglo-French landing in the Dardanelles. And you probably don’t know anything about the Chuck war between Bolivia and Paraguay in the early 30s. In this war, Russian emigrant officers, WWI veterans, were head and shoulders above their German opponents, the same veterans, by the way. You can read more here: http://belrussia.ru/page-id-305.html
And here: http://tank.uw.ru/articles/russkie_dobrovoltsy_vo
ina_za_chako /
So in ability these officers stop the Germans, I am sure completely.
As for the executions of the generals ... in 1938, Dzhugashvili did this, and did not intervene in the war of England and France against Germany in 1940. The result is well known: the Nazis burned half the country and killed many millions of our fellow citizens. So if Dzhugashvili were in power in 1914, the country would have been waiting for the same catastrophe as in 1941.

[Rastas]

I’m afraid that if Stalin had intervened in the 39th, a catastrophe would have turned out. From the experience of defeating Poland, it is clear that England and France did not come to the rescue. And why did they come to the aid of the USSR. Moreover, what reason did Stalin have in the 39th to start a war against Germany? After all, there were no allied treaties with England and France, precisely due to the fault of the allies. The same Poland was for the USSR no less an enemy than Germany. In addition, the fighting on Khalkhin Gol only ended, a pact with Japan was concluded only in April 41, which they themselves must understand, could lead to a war in the Far East in 39-40. After all, Japan didn’t fight the United States, and they could easily supply it with weapons and fuel.

[Rastas]

And about the quality of the soldiers and officers of the tsarist army I don’t know about the soldiers, not everything depended on them, but the tsarist officers who ended up in the White Army were beaten perfectly by people like Frunze and Kotovsky who did not finish any military academies. This, by the way, is very reminiscent of the French Revolution, when many prominent future commanders emerged from the depths of the French people, who in 1790-1793 defeated the British, Prussian, Austrian, and Spanish invaders led by hereditary military.

[avt]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

in 1938, Dzhugashvili did this, as he did not intervene in the war of England and France against Germany in 1940. The result is well known: the Nazis burned half the country and killed many millions of our fellow citizens. So if Dzhugashvili were in power in 1914, the country would have been waiting for the same catastrophe as in 1941.

Well, when do you start learning how to!!? Yes, for a moment, Stalin was not allowed to conduct troops to defend Czechoslovakia, when the same ones were given to Hitler in the Munich agreement

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

England and France

And the negotiations in Moscow, to which the secondary representatives of these same

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

England and France

Without any authority whatsoever to sign something, is the secret behind seven seals for you too ???? Are you guys really, or ,, DB "according to Lavrov, who really DO NOT WANT to learn anything from the documents at all, or specific cheaters who shuffle the speckled deck.

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

the Nazis burned half the country and killed many millions of our fellow citizens.

Burned because for us it was another war !!!

Quote: avt

In 1914, no one developed the Ost Plan for the Empire. They managed the small ones - concentration camps to create great Ukrainians. And in the occupied territory, civilians in World War I were not destroyed like the Nazis in the Patriotic War.

[Weyland]

Quote: avt

And there she would have laid down faster than a piggy squeal, and the Germans would only bother with refueling equipment

Arguing! Well, the Germans in 1914 were bad generals. and in 1941 are they good? They and the staff in 1914 were excellent - so what?

Quote: avt

He would have been the generals pushing him into the war, a fact well established and yes-and-so-voiced, would have shot as conspirators and would not have climbed into a harlot

Now, if Nikolai Milyukova with Guchkov and Rodzianko had been shot in 1916, then yes, he would have kept the Empire, and RI would have been one of the winners in the WWII (which Germany, ChSKh, lost) and would have received Constantinople with the Straits ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

just imagine for a second what would happen if in 1941 this very unfortunate king ruled Russia... Well, it is quite known from the experience of 1914: if in 1941 Nicholas II ruled Russia, the Russian Army would fight in East Prussia and Turkey. But if Joseph I Dzhugashvili ruled Russia ... then already in November 1914 would have to fight near Moscow, and St. Petersburg would be in a German blockade.

It's right.

But most likely, it would be even easier: WWII just IT WOULD NOT BE AT ALL: Russia would NEVER allow the armament of Germany. Brest betrayal of "national traitors" (VV Putin) deprived Russia of this right.
The result is WWII.

In general, the issues of the article are at the baseboard level.

[Monarchist]

Olgovich, here the question is more than interesting: what would happen if.
A Kaiser song would be sung in the summer of 1917, February, and then October and Russia would be pushed into the ditch. As a result, Germany has significantly improved its situation.
The author on top knows the story, but imagines himself a connoisseur, and as a result, the questions went down to the plinth

[Uncle Murzik]

ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH you, as a dreamer, apparently do not know that the Russian army was the first to cross the German border in World War I! invaded eastern Prussia, was defeated!

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

The Russian army was the first to cross the German border in World War I! invaded eastern Prussia, was defeated!

And what, this cancels the fact that the Russian Imperial Army in the first months of the war fought in Galicia and Prussia, and the Red Army heroically defended Moscow and Leningrad just four months after the start of the Second World War ?! The Germans generally stood near Paris for 4 years, but the French do not complex on this occasion.

[Uncle Murzik]

darling ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH, yes, she defended and won! And Stalin did not deny and did not betray like Nikolashka and led the USSR to victory!

[Weyland]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

invaded eastern Prussia, was defeated!

What was inevitable, for they struck with what was at hand - personnel officers, because with enormous size / Russia, the mobilization took 2 months (under which Schlieffen’s plan was sharpened). But she saved Paris. But they would not have saved France — they would have remained face to face with Germany by the end of 1914. Tactical defeat - but strategic victory! And if it weren’t for the Duma scum - in spite of the implications of 1914-15, they would have won the war!

[Uncle Murzik]

Weyland that you are like in a bazaar if yes if only! It’s clear to everyone that Nikolashka couldn’t rule Russia after the defeat in the RIA! Then you had to think about the receiver, not during the war!

[Engineer]

Lord, may you leave Matilda alone. Yes, there is no evidence that after accession to the throne and after marriage to Alexandra, he continued to communicate with her. There are so many sins behind him that it is inappropriate to even remember about Matilda:

Our king is Mukden, our king is Tsushima,
Our king is a bloody stain
The stench of gunpowder and smoke
In which the mind is dark.

Our king is blind misery
Prison and whip, trial, execution,
King of the gallows, twice as low
What he promised, but did not dare to give.

He is a coward, he feels with a hesitation,
But it will be - the hour of reckoning is waiting.
Who began to reign - Khodynka,
He will end - standing on the scaffold.

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

It’s nice to read Stishat ... for children. And adults, people read official documents:To grant the population the unshakable foundations of civil liberty on the basis of the actual inviolability of the individual, freedom of conscience, speech, assembly and unions. Nicholas II, Manifesto of October 17, 1905

[Diana Ilyina]

ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH Today, 16: 21 ↑ New
It’s nice to read Stishat ... for kids. And adults read official documents: To grant the population the unshakable foundations of civil freedom on the basis of the true inviolability of the person, freedom of conscience, speech, assembly and unions. Nicholas II, Manifesto of October 17, 1905

Oh, hold me eight ... What big words, on the fence you yourself know a lot of things that are written, and sometimes even painted, and there is firewood ...
He could declare anything, but in fact the people as were disenfranchised, and remained them until 1917. And then, the date of adoption of this "manifest" does not tell you anything? However, what can she tell you, you don’t know the story from the word at all ...!

[Red dwarf]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

but in fact the people were disenfranchised, and remained them until 1917. And then, the date of adoption of this "manifest" does not tell you anything? However, what can she tell you, you don’t know the story from the word at all ...!

But you are a connoisseur of history, but tell me how it was under Stalin, with civil rights, and who wrote denunciations to anyone at night, tell Kali weasel.

[Uncle Murzik]

The red dwarf can tell about the executions of workers, for example, Lensky!

[Red dwarf]

The red dwarf can even become a white dwarf, but it does not become more civil rights, I mean workers and peasants, and not any elite.

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

such big words, you know a lot of things on the fence

Known fact: Soviet equate the Basic Laws of the state with the letters on the fence! Therefore, for you, according to the triot, the people are not eligible citizens, but disenfranchised cattle, which you respectively handle.

[Alf]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

It’s nice to read Stishat ... for children. And adults, people read official documents:To grant the population the unshakable foundations of civil liberty on the basis of the actual inviolability of the individual, freedom of conscience, speech, assembly and unions. Nicholas II, Manifesto of October 17, 1905

And what prompted him to publish? Maybe he felt that he might lose his job?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Engineer

Our king

The author of this filth escaped from the "bright future", which he so passionately called for emigration.

[Dart2027]

Like most intellectual writers of the time.
For some reason, the real revolution did not suit them.

[Weyland]

Quote: Engineer

There are so many sins behind him that it is inappropriate to even remember about Matilda:

And how many sins are there for Stalin ?! something this your Balmont, who was pouring mud on the tsar, in 1920m pulled abroad from the bright communist system! But many verses can be found, and not only about the martyr king :

His fat fingers, like worms, are fat,
And the words, like pood weights, are true,
Cockroaches laugh
And his legs shine.

And around him a bunch of subtle leaders
He plays the services of half-people.
Who whistles, who meows, who whines,
He’s the only one who pokes and pokes,
Like a horseshoe, forges a decree for the decree:

Someone in the groin, someone in the forehead, someone in the eyebrow, someone in the eye.
Whatever his execution is raspberry
And a wide chest of Ossetians.

[Cartalon]

And what does the story do in the section?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Cartalon

And what does the story do in the section?

Yes, against the background of articles by Denis Berg, Andrey from Chelyabinsk, Oleinikov, the contrast is striking.

[den-protector]

No one claims that the last emperor was a fool or that with him there was nothing positive in Russia. But not only the process is important, but the final result is more important. And the result of Emperor Nicholas II’s “activity” is such a defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, a generally unsuccessful participation of Russia in the WWII, walking in the wake of the “allies,” the tsar’s conniving attitude to the so-called elite and other traitors, degradation of the rear, the result is a social explosion, the causes of which have been accumulating for centuries. The emperor was betrayed by his own circle, the so-called elite. And in this he is mainly to blame. He is worthy of pity and sympathy, as a person and an Orthodox Christian, but the history of gentleness, stupidity and neglect of his people does not forgive. Monarchists and other fans of the white movement, of course, find it easier to blame the bloody Bolsheviks as someone else’s agents there. The Bolsheviks did not play a prominent role in the then theater of political absurdity. They just ended up at the right time and in the right place. And we must give them their due, it was they who saved the country that was rolling into the abyss. The leader is responsible for everything, even for something that seems to be not directly related. Here on I.V. Stalin, for example, is blamed for the "mass" repressions, although he never had the absolute power of the autocrat, and these repressions were actually carried out by his political opponents and internal opportunists such as N. Khrushchev, since the country continued a "quiet" civil war. So in the case of the former Emperor Nicholas II, canonized in the "new" bourgeois Russia for political reasons. He may have been a good man, a wonderful family man, but this is not enough for the leader of a country like Russia. Recently, pro-government political, pseudo-cultural figures and groups have made more and more attempts to impose on the population of Russia the idea of ​​"reconciliation" between the "red" (the majority of the population robbed since 2) and the "white" (bourgeois, bureaucrats, "creative" intelligentsia, etc. " the elite of "society). It is felt that the Military Review did not escape this trend, there are many similar "conciliatory" throws. This is done to maintain the existing status quo, i.e. power of the bourgeoisie over the rest of the poor population and to continue such a "banquet". The idea of ​​"reconciliation" supposedly to maintain a common country for all. Does such a country have a happy future for slaves and masters? The year 2 showed that no.

[Cartalon]

Yes, let us once again take the same rake with the civil war, famine and landings of all those who disagree, and so on, your socialism does not work and no one has built it and will not build it anywhere.

[Alf]

Quote: Cartalon

on the same rake with the civil war,

There can be no civil war in a country with nuclear weapons. Do not get to us the "democratizers. ''

Quote: Cartalon

all disagree

Pizzot of millions of tortured personally.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Alf

There can be no civil war in a country with nuclear weapons

Will you hit your own territory? An interesting experiment.

[Alf]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Alf

There can be no civil war in a country with nuclear weapons

Will you hit your own territory? An interesting experiment.

Why on your own? On the territory of the "liberator". Read the military doctrine of Russia regarding the use of nuclear weapons.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Alf

Why on your own? On the territory of the "liberator"

And what kind of liberator, if we have a civil war?

[Reptiloid]

The descendants of the interventionists of the 20th century dream on this topic.

[Alf]

Quote: Dart2027

And what kind of liberator, if we have a civil war?

The transfer of power to the Bolsheviks in Russia was fairly quick and relatively bloodless, but the civil war began only after the tsar’s generals turned to the Entente for help and directly asked for its military participation.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Alf

The transfer of power to the Bolsheviks in Russia was fairly quick and relatively bloodless

In the capital, yes, but throughout the entire Republic of Ingushetia, the alignment was already different, so the war was inevitable.
moreover, this does not change the fact that missiles with nuclear weapons will not help much in warheads.

[Weyland]

Quote: Alf

The civil war began only after the tsarist generals turned to the Entente for help and directly asked for its military participation.

In real life, the Civil War began only after the Bolsheviks they began to unlimitedly from the heart, and the people (primarily Cossacks) took up arms!

[RUSS]

The stupid and empty article, however, like the author himself, has not read such shit for a long time.

[Pancir026]

Quote: RUSS

an agitated and empty article, however, like the author himself, has not read such shit for a long time.

Your verbal outbursts are no better, or rather they are generally bad, due to complete groundlessness.

[sergo1914]

Quote: RUSS

The stupid and empty article, however, like the author himself, has not read such shit for a long time.

A. The intelligentsia has joined the discussion. What a syllable!

[Reptiloid]

And the rules of the site are interesting, read ???
Although, of course, he doesn’t read this thing. Ha ha ha !!!!! He does something else with him.

[Shumanit]

Quote: gorgo

Before discussing the topic of why the author was ranked, and this was not ranked as a saint, the author should first try to understand at least a little what “the face of saints” is, for which and whom they “rank” him. In other words, you should not go into questions about which you have only a vague idea, so as not to become the object of condescending smiles among people who know.

Really! To collect everything in one heap and pour - discuss! In the furnace ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Disgusting little article. The author, if he read "VO", he obviously reacted very inattentively to the series of articles on the activities of Nicholas II during the WWII.
Regarding the claims on the REV, yes, the war ended not in Russia's favor, well, do not forget that in the rear we started a terrorist war with explosions on railway tracks and the killing of officials.
According to WWI, an army led by the tsar held a front against three large empires, while England and France fought with tension only against Germany alone.
Anyway, what can be called an “ineffective manager” of a person in whom the annual economic growth was from 5 to 7 percent per year?
And yes, the author mentioned the shooting of Lensky, but for some reason he forgot about Novocherkassk in 1962 and Grozny in 1958 ....
PS On the advice of the author, he introduced the king in power in 1941 instead of a half-educated seminarian. In this version, Russia certainly would not be left alone against Germany and its allies. And the Germans certainly would not have reached Moscow and the Volga, but would have been stopped much earlier.

[Pancir026]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

According to WWI, an army led by the tsar held a front against three large empires, while England and France fought with tension only against Germany alone.

The BASIC front for Germany was WESTERN. Teach a story, not a tantrum.

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

On the advice of the author, he introduced the king in power in 1941 instead of a half-educated seminarian.

I will tell you a secret, seminar, as you deigned to write, in 1945 he celebrated the VICTORY over Germany in MAY, in March 17 she drank bitter, abandoning the throne.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Hmm, that is, you do not take into account that Germany during the years 1914-16 transferred the main efforts from the Western Front to the Eastern and back. Obviously, you also have not heard anything about the Warsaw-Ivangorod operation.
The seminarist was celebrating a victory ... but almost 42 million of our fellow citizens could not celebrate the Victory (and this number is not my invention, but the data of the Immortal Regiment). And hundreds of cities and villages lay in ruins. But these are trifles for you, right? The main thing is that the country's leadership was "ideologically correct"?
And yes, in anticipation of possible criticism, I’ll tell you, I do not dispute the fact of Victory, for me this is the greatest feat in the history of our people. But it pains me painfully because we had to pay such a high price for the Victory, and not least, because of the ideological blindness and banal nearness of Joseph Dzhugashvili.

[Alf]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

and in general, what can be called an "ineffective manager" of a person in whom the annual economic growth was from 5 to 7 percent per year?

Which countries REALLY controlled the Russian economy?

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

in the rear, a terrorist war broke out with explosions on the railway tracks and killings of officials.

Remind, please, but in the Second World War there were these terrorists and murderers? Not ? What is the difference? In the state system of Russia.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Alf

Not ? What is the difference?

The fact that in the Second World War anyone who would start to stir up the water was immediately put to the wall.

[Alf]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Alf

Not ? What is the difference?

The fact that in the Second World War anyone who would start to stir up the water was immediately put to the wall.

And what prevented Nicholas from doing the same?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Alf

And what prevented

Contrary to popular horror stories, he was by no means a fan of just putting something against the wall. It is enough to recall how many times revolutionaries escaped from links.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Law, my dear. A law that forbade the execution of people without trial. And even the revolutionary evil spirits caught in arms in 1905-1907 were tried by the lawful military field courts, and not by extrajudicial bodies created by a decree of the executive authority.

[Monarchist]

Apparently, decency. Representatives of the opposition officially sat and enjoyed immunity in the State Duma, and in the Stalin period, where was the opposition?

[Alf]

Quote: Monarchist

But in the Stalin period, where was the opposition?

And in the Stalin period, was it needed? Whose interests would she express?

[Monarchist]

In another social system, it is true, but do not forget that the NKVD was much tougher than the "royal executioner". You did not forget that during his meeting in the State Duma the Officially SD meeting and what other parties were there, and under Stalin there was only the CPSU (B.).
Perhaps the subsequent troubles of our state are that at the beginning of the Second World War the real Ideological Commissars died, and the "pumps" remained.
Before scolding me, I will very much ask you to read Drabkin about the political leaders. I think they will not dispute that he is doing the right thing?
Comrades convinced communists, read Pokryshkina, Berezhkova (in November 1941, party documents and piles of ashes from burnt party tickets were lying around at MGK), and Pokryshkin and Lugovoi recalled that they had found heaps of party and Komsomol tickets with the chosen middle. Even official documents of the 80s confirm that they got into the party en masse when Hitler began to reap: have time to make a career. As a result, M.S., B. N., or 404: there at least 90% of the horses were in the party and the Komsomol

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Disgusting little article.

True eyes hurts?

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

The author, if he read "VO", he obviously reacted very inattentively to the series of articles on the activities of Nicholas II during the WWII.

And what was there, hand on heart, about? About how myrrh-streaming mediocrity tried to portray violent activity, preventing professionals from doing business. Point.

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Regarding the claims on the REV, yes, the war ended not in Russia's favor, well, do not forget that in the rear we started a terrorist war with explosions on railway tracks and the killing of officials.

We have already talked with you on this topic, but since, to you, it’s “miro,” apparently the mosk has completely eaten out from under the king of rags (or what, there, you had ... ) will have to patiently repeat:
November 1904, XNUMX
January 27 1904 years - attack on Port Arthur and the battle of the "Varyag" at Chemulpo. February-April - Japanese troops occupy Pyongyang and go to the Yalu River. - The revolution in Russia does not even smell - there is a powerful patriotic upsurge.

February 24 - the beginning of the siege of Port Arthur, the Russian squadron is locked in the harbor. No revolution.

18 April the Russian army was defeated in Yalu, the invasion of Manchuria began. And again, no backstabs from the revolution.

22-30 April Japanese landing on the Liaodong Peninsula. The Russian fleet and ground forces are inactive. No revolution.

29 May the port of Dalniy was delivered without a fight. Again no revolution.

1-2 June at Wafangou, the General Stackelberg’s release corps was defeated. And again, without revolutionary action.

13 July-9 August - Port Arthur is blocked from land. The revolutionaries are inactive.

July 28 - an attempt to break out of Port Arthur, the battle of squadrons in the East Sea. Commander Witgeft died, the ships returned to the harbor. There is no revolution.

11 of August Alexei (Flanks are in danger!) Kuropatkin stupidly loses the Liaoyang battle. There is no revolution.

14 of August Vladivostok cruiser detachment intercepted by a squadron of Admiral Kamimura in the Korea Strait. Destroyed the Rurik cruiser the revolutionaries are still waiting.

on September 22 - lost the battle on the river. Shahe. The revolution does not begin.

2 October from Libava, a squadron of Admiral Rozhdestvensky sets out on a campaign. There is no revolution.
November 1905, XNUMX
January 2 1905 Port Arthur fell. And again, without a hint of revolutionary action.

12 January - the battle of Sandep - the first revolutionary actions, which still can not affect the course of the war.

February 6-March 10 lost battle of Mukden. The revolution is only gaining momentum, being in an unorganized phase.

14-15 May - The disaster of the fleet under Tsushima. We agree. that the fleet, speaking in October last year, could not in any way depend on the revolution in the metropolis.

7-29 July - capture of Sakhalin. Only now the revolution is in full swing.
Try straining the remnants of what you have, Mr. Lieutenant, in the cavity between your ears and realize that it’s not a “terrorist war with explosions on the railway tracks and the killing of officials." (Ksktati, facts to the studio! Everything, and with dates!) Was the reason for the "loving" of the RJV, but on the contrary, the shameful defeats in the "small and victorious" were the cause of the rollback of the citizens of the Republic of Ingushetia from cheers-patriotism, in 1904, to the revolution of 1905-1907 years

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Anyway, what can be called an “ineffective manager” of a person in whom the annual economic growth was from 5 to 7 percent per year?

Under the "bloody Stalin" growth was up to 30% per year. "And who is the eagle now" (c)?

[Dart2027]

Quote: HanTengri

it’s not “a terrorist war with explosions on railway tracks and the killing of officials." (Ksttati, facts in the studio! Everything, and with the dates!)

That is, in 1905 there was no armed rebellion?

Quote: HanTengri

on the contrary, shameful defeats in the "small and victorious"

But Japan has lost twice as many people, and the possibilities of the Republic of Ingushetia to continue the war were not nearly exhausted, unlike nuclear weapons.

[Han Tengri]

Are you, too, with logic and causal relationships tight?

Quote: Dart2027

That is, in 1905 there was no armed rebellion?

Which revolutionaries prevented winning up to:

Quote: HanTengri

January 12 - the Battle of Sandep - the first revolutionary uprising, which still can not affect the course of the war.

??

Quote: Dart2027

But Japan has lost twice as many people, and the possibilities of the Republic of Ingushetia to continue the war were not nearly exhausted, unlike nuclear weapons.

AND? How many more Russian souls needed to be put in order to return, earlier, mediocre, poetry?

[Dart2027]

Quote: HanTengri

What revolutionaries prevented winning

None. But only when it became clear that the war on the exhaustion of Japan did not shine, riots immediately began.

Quote: HanTengri

AND? How many more Russian souls needed to be put in order to return, earlier, mediocre, poetry?

That is, when their losses are twice as low as those killed by the enemy, is it mediocre? Well, not quite. And let me ask who is there who attacked?

[Koshnitsa]

Not 42 million, as Dzhugashvili put it.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

True, dear, it hurts your eyes, since you ignored the sources given to you about the performances in Poland, where, by the way, there were defense plants and railway communication centers. You prefer not to notice the facts of terrorist acts brought against you against state officials. You must admit that revolutionary actions and terrorist war within the state are a little like that different concepts.
Do you need facts? And the murder of the Minister of the Interior Pleve on July 15, 1904, after the start of the REV and the assassination of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich on February 4, 1905 is not a fact for you? This is called "revolutionaries inactive" !?
Can you give a source of 30% at the time of Dzhugashvili? I then took my data from the work of Doctor of Historical Sciences M. A. Davydov.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

You ignored the sources given to you about the performances in Poland, where by the way, there were defense plants and railway communication centers. You prefer and not notice the above

Do you not understand that a few strikes in Poland, which is always not happy, are not enough to somehow undermine the fighting efficiency of the RI army?

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Do you need facts? And the murder of the Minister of the Interior Pleve on July 15, 1904, after the start of the REV and the murder of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich on February 4, 1905, is not a fact for you?

And it's all? Is it not enough for a “terrorist war with explosions on railway tracks and the killing of officials."? The Socialist-Revolutionaries had so much fun before the REV. By the way, the topic of "rail war" is not disclosed by you, from the word at all.

[Dart2027]

Quote: HanTengri

By the way, the topic of "rail war" is not disclosed by you, from the word at all.

For example, the Chita Republic.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Dart2027

For example, the Chita Republic.

November 1905 - January 1906. Where does the REV?

[Dart2027]

Quote: HanTengri

November 1905 - January 1906.

Here are just the first riots began before the war began, and after the KV, quite muddy in terms of the one who organized it, it began, as well as throughout the country.

[Han Tengri]

Are you monarchists not at all friends with logic?

Quote: Dart2027

Here are just the first riots began even before the war,

Do you understand that in order to influence a small (on the scale of the Republic of Ingushetia) zavarushka, located behind the three female genital organs, from its central provinces, it is necessary that the mess exceed some critical mass? And he exceeded it ... After July 7-29 - the capture of Sakhalin.

[Dart2027]

Quote: HanTengri

You understand that in order to influence a small (on the scale of the Republic of Ingushetia) zavarushka located behind the three female genital organs from its central provinces

It's funny Usually, when they talk about the REV, convinced communists pour loud epithets about the disgraceful catastrophic and so on.
And the mess was serious, right down to the artillery fire in the cities.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Dart2027

It's funny Usually, when they talk about the REV, convinced communists pour loud epithets about the disgraceful catastrophic and so on.

What's so funny? "Plato is my friend but the truth is dearer!".

Quote: Dart2027

And the mess was serious, right down to the artillery fire in the cities.

There is nothing worse than disappointed cheers-patriots. But what a cheer-patriotic climb was, among all the layers of the Republic of Ingushetia, at the beginning of the NRW, under the slogan: “We shove macaques with narrow-eyed eyes, into all the respiratory and respiratory!”

[Dart2027]

Quote: HanTengri

There is nothing worse than disappointed cheers-patriots.

Perhaps, but the war was far from lost, and if it had continued for another year and on land the situation would have changed greatly. A fatal mistake was consent to a peace.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

A few? My dear, and there a good half of the factories began to strike back in 1904 - early 1905. Read: https://www.marxists.org/russkij/trotsky/1925/our
_first_revolution_part2 / 27.htm
These are the memories of Trotsky. Here is not a complete list of revolutionary events, but even this is impressive. There are strikes at factories in 1904, and the closure of railway tracks (I got excited here, there were no explosions, there were road blockages), murders and attempts on governors, town governors, police officers ... There is even a robbery of the military depot of the guards regiment. What do you think, if not the betrayal of your Fatherland during the repulsion of the attack of an external enemy?
PS And you very cleverly avoided my question about the source of data about 30% economic growth in the USSR. Will you answer?

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Read: https://www.marxists.org/russkij/trotsky/1925/our
_first_revolution_part2 / 27.htm

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Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

A few? My dear, and there a good half of the factories began to strike back in 1904 - early 1905.

If you are talking about Lodz, then the main batch there began on June 20-24.

Quote: HanTengri

July 7-29 - capture of Sakhalin. Only now the revolution is in full swing.

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

There are strikes at factories in 1904, and the closure of railway tracks (I got excited here, there were no explosions, there were road blockages), murders and attempts on governors, town governors, police officers ... There is even a robbery of the military depot of the guards regiment.

Dates, lieutenant, dates! And correlate them with the defeats in the REV. Maybe, nevertheless, “Military Genius”, “Russian Napoleon” - Alexei (Flanks are in danger!) Kuropatkin was able to pump everything that is possible without the help of revolutionaries? And with Stessel and Co., generally easily?

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

PS And you very cleverly avoided my question about the source of data about 30% economic growth in the USSR. Will you answer?

http://genby.livejournal.com/350498.html
http://saint-juste.narod.ru/hanin.htm
Will arrange?

[cost]

Han Tengri: On October 2, a squadron of Admiral Rozhdestvensky sets out on campaign from Libava.

Christmas

[Monarchist]

Khan Tengri, and in 1941 the traitor generals let Hitler go to Moscow and the revolution also did not happen. By the way, do you remember what the number of the CPSU was in 1990 and how many Communists do you have now? We have 5 people in the village and are at war with each other

[avva2012]

Where did you get this from? What are the traitor generals? Pavlov was shot as a switchman. Everything has already been taken apart almost by the hour. In those conditions, the Red Army, could not roll back to Moscow. Why look for a black cat ....? Like, it was the Soviet government that brought up traitors, but before there was nothing similar, did I understand you correctly?

[Weyland]

Quote: HanTengri

We agree. that the fleet, speaking in October last year, could not in any way depend on the revolution in the metropolis.

But it could depend on the vile policy of Britain because after such a long transition I needed a scheduled repair / (first of all, cleaning the boilers from scale, which reduced the speed by almost half!) - but there was nowhere to do the repair, all the impudent ports were blocked for us!

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Weyland

But it could depend on the vile policy of Britain, because after such a long transition, it needed a scheduled repair / (first of all, cleaning the boilers from scale, which reduced the speed by almost half!) - and there was nowhere to do the repair, all possible ports were impudent for us !

Apparently, you think that those who made the decision to send the 2nd Pacific Squadron and Admiral Rozhestvensky were the same, flawed mind, blue elves like you. And they could not even guess, and, especially, pre-reflect the machinations of the mean Englishwoman! Pace, boy, ischo. Smart!

[Weyland]

Quote: HanTengri

the same defective mind, blue elves like you.

Since you switched to direct insults - sorish kutak, bacha! If it were not for Nicholas, not his father and grandfather - in your sunny Uzbekistan to this day slavery would flourish under the wise guidance of the khans and the emir! However, you and now a little better!

[Pushkar]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Anyway, what can be called an “ineffective manager” of a person in whom the annual economic growth was from 5 to 7 percent per year?

This is you, my friend, deceived. GDP growth in the best year of the Russian Empire in 1911 - 4%. The average GDP growth in the USSR in the period 1922-1953 (recovery, war, recovery again) is 15%. During the five-year periods, annual GDP growth reached 45%. I am not a fan of the Bolsheviks, but we will be objective.

[Weyland]

Quote: Pushkar

Average GDP growth in the USSR in the period 1922-1953

And what would you compare the level of 1953 with 1913m? And another question - what was the price of growth? Millions of dispossessed lives?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: den-protector

Does such a country have a happy future for slaves and masters?

You know, this phrase more describes the attitude of the Soviet nomenclature to the people.

[Pancir026]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

this phrase describes the attitude more

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

liberal nomenclature to the people.

Yours and your predecessors, you lost at 17, you will lose now.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

My dear, you would not distort my words when quoting. This is not very polite. And yes, I am a conservative, not a liberal, and my people, in contrast to the CPSU nomenclature, do not consider slaves.

[Monarchist]

And why do not the Communists win if they are right?

[den-protector]

You are partly right. Once the top of the CPSU and the Komsomol wanted more, i.e. life, as in the West. They are tired of constraining themselves with some dogma, decency, conventions. And they decided to turn the formal inequality into real. So since 1991, we began to live under feudal capitalism. By the way, these people from the top of the CPSU and the Komsomol still manage us at the level of Muskva and in each region. Now they are successful politicians, commerce, pseudo-creative under-intelligentsia. Now they show their real attitude to the people, as to the plebs. They are only afraid of a social explosion, therefore they are forced to preserve (gradually reducing) the remnants of the Soviet social system and some kind of social guarantees. In general, the creative class and critics of the Soviet totalitarian regime. New nobles.

[igorserg]

Everyone is so sweet and childishly hoping that the fate of the people depends directly on the person who stood at the helm. An old saying - every nation deserves its king. And the ruler is given from Above. Tsar Nicholas II was to suffer. It was not he who merged Russia, but the people who were raging and eager for a "brighter future." At one time, the Jews also crucified Christ ... they were also waiting for a mission that would raise the people above everyone, and then instead of the king God came, which they did not expect at all.

[avva2012]

You are nevertheless more careful with blasphemy. Yes, and the people do not have to slander. Not much swing with the expertise?

[igorserg]

not much, it’s enough to read the history of that time, and the usual facts of everyday life ... hybrids appear to be flowers in comparison with the nihilism of that time. I do not see blasphemy in my words ...

[avva2012]

Strange, what else do not see? Compare Christ, is it your way?

[igorserg]

And what’s wrong with that? Every Christian is assigned the path of Christ ... to go through the cross, to suffer, to accept all the reproaches that are erected on you for Christ, for God, to follow Christ ... where is the blasphemous comparison? Almost all the Apostles were crucified for faith, like Christ, no one blames them for blasphemy ...

[avva2012]

Nicholas 2, was not an apostle. He was crowned kingdom, having renounced, he betrayed him. If he left due to illness or some other circumstances, but at the most difficult moment for the country, being capable? If you compare him with anyone, then with Judah.
More to the portrait. He was repeatedly, even promonarchistically minded by the Duma, offered to distribute part of the land to the peasants. People saw an explosion brewing. To which he, the largest landowner, replied, "Private property, sacred!" What to call it? I do not care about the amorous adventures of the sufferer, even though he kept a harem, but he did not allow the Civil War! And, here they are trying to whitewash this henpecked, redneck, pulling an owl on the globe, inventing nonexistent conspiracies, English and German spies. I would give part of my land, would not be impoverished ...., and there would be no Civil War. Millions of victims, Ah, you’ve spread demagogy here, you’ve found, damn it, a saint!

[igorserg]

Well, of course ... you still say that Putin allowed a civil war in Ukraine ... would send troops and all normalk under the gun.
And what about Stalin, who made the nightmare, how many millions of people in the camps died, how many were shot? How many millions of mediocre people died at the beginning of the war, given the fact that the equipment was no worse than German? Or was he washed by a victory in the Second World War?

[igorserg]

Or maybe a claim should be brought against Khrushchev, who handed over the post to a man who had practically the entire nation?

[parusnik]

Unfortunately ... Emperor Nedodelkin .. I didn’t bring anything to mind ...

[Alf]

Quote: parusnik

Unfortunately ... Emperor Nedodelkin .. I didn’t bring anything to mind ...

And what has been jumped.

[IvanTheTerrible]

The author has his own, special version of the story: the Bolsheviks signed the criminal, shameful, humiliating Brest-Litovsk peace treaty, and of course, the last legitimate ruler of Russia is to blame for this)

[avva2012]

If you calmly relate to what the author wrote, then the questions asked by them have the right to answers. Definitely gives the impression of political engagement of the decision of the Russian Orthodox Church. Why, and so on, but the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church, needed a rapprochement with the foreign Orthodox Church. Since what is happening inside the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church is no less closed, and maybe more than in the FSB, one can only guess. From the side, and the truth, it does not look very good. Also because the “foreign” supported the Nazis, in due time.

[Monarchist]

Venerable, go to the local deanery and ask how canonization takes place?

[avva2012]

Dear, and "dean" ?. The church is separated from the state, not from politics. Moreover, the church, as a living organism, has its own policy.

[Curious]

Looking at the discussions caused by articles about Nicholas II, the idea arose that the problem was more serious and lay on a different plane. They just haven’t understood this yet.
In psychiatry, there is such a thing as psychopathological syndromes. This is a clinical expression of various types of mental pathology, which include mental illness of the psychotic (psychosis) and non-psychotic (neurosis, borderline) types, short-term reactions and persistent psychopathological conditions.
If the operation of the name of Nicholas II is somehow not limited, then modern psychiatrists will have to supplement this list with "Nicholas II syndrome."
I would think on the spot of some of the regulars of such discussions.

[avva2012]

Do you think there will be competition for Napoleons in the wards

[Curious]

Competition, not competition, but unlikely emperors will arrive.

[avva2012]

I think no. The size of the personality is too different. Even for the mentally ill. If there are Nikolai, then most likely the Baskovs.

[Curious]

I will not argue, the specialist knows better.

[avva2012]

Do not invent, I'm a specialist in a wide field. In this matter, another specialist is needed. Yes, and the article 58-10, no longer apply. Citizens advocating "for Nicholas", just anti-Soviet. Now it’s convenient and safe to be them, and it’s profitable for someone, even in material terms.

[Curious]

I do not know. Maybe some are anti-Soviet, but some have a clearly hysterical state and a bias towards manic manifestations in the psyche. Such things are only beneficial for paid psychiatric rooms.

[avva2012]

Some? Do you really think that Nicholas 2, one of them considers a worthy king?

[Curious]

Really such hypocrisy. just to kick the USSR?

[avva2012]

You, see the root. This year, this is especially true. Offended by the Soviet government is not so few, well, or even some.

[Curious]

Yes, judging by the comments of individual individuals, they were offended regularly and in a perverse form.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Curious

Really such hypocrisy. just to kick the USSR?

WHAT to kick for? What has disappeared?

[Weyland]

Quote: avva2012

Do you really think that Nicholas 2, one of them considers a worthy king?

Many people think, including me. In history - to whom as lucky, and from personal pressure it is yes-Aleko does not always depend! .
Here was Jeanne d / Arc a faithful friend and ally - Gilles de Re. Both were burned on trumped-up charges. Only Jeanne was rehabilitated and ranked among the saints, and Gilles "Bluebeard" - figurines!
Or there were two friends and ally, Stefan cel Mare and Vlad Basarab. Vlad overthrew, killed and slandered his brother Radu the Beautiful (so handsome that he became the lover of the Sultan Mehmed), and Stefan survived. Now Stefan is a saint of Moldavians, and Vladik is alas (well, but he is known much more widely than Stefan, under the name Dracula)?

[avva2012]

It is your right to consider. In my opinion, it is correct to compare the tsar of a state such as Russia either with the rulers of the same country or other countries, but of the same significance. With all due respect to Vlad Tepes, the prince of Wallachia, his level does not reach the emperor of All Russia, I’m not talking about the French madam and messier, what color of hair they would not have. The rulers are judged by the result, but everyone has an excuse, like a hole in ....

[avt]

Quote: avva2012

Citizens advocating "for Nicholas", just anti-Soviet.

Yes, they have no idea either about Soviet ideology (the maximum that is smart enough is to demand the removal of Lenin from the mausoleum), and for the monarchy and class society until 1917. This is such a sect of self-nominated candidates - candidates for the aristocracy, a kind of club, a noble assembly of the Proletarsky district. "For some reason, they express themselves in wet dreams," noble dons " And it’s not possible to explain to them a simple fact like a mumble of the fact that the places of “nobility” are already occupied and they only shine hollowly at the establishment of the monarchy. Classics of the genre are direct from the bible - they sold the birthright in 1991, which is why they think that those to whom they Industrial vouchers, put them on a par with themselves.

[avva2012]

avt In ideology, you are right, those who sincerely believe in "the beautiful far away" do not understand anything. I don’t remember who argued with V. I. Lenin, arguing that it is impossible to conduct a socialist revolution in Russia, they say people have not seen capitalism and do not know all the "charms" of this system, they will not understand. I think, in some ways, the opponent was right. Now, it’s capitalism, private property, the market, eat with a full spoon, don’t hang around. They are eating. The problem is different, will there be time, will give us his partners?

[Reptiloid]

Unfortunately, dear Alexander, it’s not you, who did not precede you AVT, that you don’t know how well and happily and beautifully the peoples and estates lived in Russia! How beautifully and elegantly they always dressed, how merrily and heartily celebrated the holidays !!!!!! And beautiful books were published for these young children - pictures !!!!! Advertising comes !!!!. It would be so universal holiday of life. Apparently, those self-nominated people from the Proletarsky district, about whom AVt writes, ---- read and believed !!!!!!!

[avva2012]

Reliptoid
There is such a thing as scotoma. Its essence is that part of the visual fields of the brain is not perceived, and therefore not realized. The "monarchists" have the same problem as they don’t see the data documented, they don’t see. (!). Instead of somehow rethinking the new answer, “Lenin had an ancestor, Blank, and your Lenin was sick with syphilis, and a hundred million were shot,” or, at worst, yours (yours Karl
!), the communists ruined the country. And no matter what the article is about, what the author wanted to say is that the opponent says that sensory-motor aphasia is added to the scotoma, that is, a set of words.

[Reptiloid]

Well, what can I tell you new, Alexander, about this scotoma? It turns out that if you, as a doctor, know human characteristics, then you thus know everything about everything. I knew about this scotoma (under a completely different name, from a different topic), after listening to the stories of A. Fursov and S. Pereslegin, respected by me.
Hermes Trismegistus --- "" what is above, then below ""
What is in the human body, then in society: heart, blood, worms, waste, tuberculosis, anemia, double-faced (schiza), well, you know me better. Everything corresponds to the human, social organism. And here I advise you to think over such a book and write as soon as possible until no one else thought of it !!!!!! Some Germans wrote about the connection of illnesses with the soul (or character?). It became a bestseller. With respect.

[avt]

Quote: avva2012

I don’t remember who argued with V. I. Lenin, arguing that it is impossible to carry out a socialist revolution in Russia, they say people have not seen capitalism and do not know all the "charms" of this system, they will not understand.

Nobody argued directly on the forehead, or rather, the masses who fought against the masses, including, by the way, the forerunner of Prokhanov-Malinovsky (Bogdanov) and his “metaphysics” Which Lenin, an atheist for maternal education, crumbled fiercely in his works personally. . But the beginning was naturally with Plekhanov, which ultimately took shape with Ulyanov, the party pseudonym Lenin (not a gram is related to the “Lena execution”, just got a passport for this name for compilation of the tava, look for ) in ,, April Theses. ”The practical ones were already implemented in the fall of 1917.

Quote: Reptiloid

And on these topics for young children released beautiful books - pictures !!!!! Advertising comes !!!!

: But because gladiolus!

[avva2012]

avt
Oh, I have a feeling that almost with F. Engels in correspondence. Well, all right, maybe one of the comrades will correct it.

[Reptiloid]

Of course, how not to laugh, not rejoice at books for little ones. (sarcasm) And adults may also be interested. THERE is a book RUSSIAN ADVERTISING POSTER 1868-1917.2014. Moscow. Contact-culture.-199 illustrations. Beauty !!!!! It’s easy to look at these posters and write an article about ““ that Russia we lost ”” and decorate it with advertising portraits !!!!!!. After all, the works of art are directly affect the subconscious, then at least somehow convince.
In general, there should be more posters of the USSR. I am glad that they are sometimes sold in the most unexpected places. I'm buying. ONLY not those where parasites are being dragged. I have 2 books of posters of the USSR. And calendars with posters !!!!!!!

[Olgovich]

Quote: avva2012

Do you think there will be competition for Napoleons in the wards

Ulyanov and other victims of evil diseases-competition can not be, they are unattainable!

[avva2012]

Fu, Olgovich, how not good. You don’t remember what they call those who take away the dirt? Moreover, this dirt has long been refuted. Why, if you, the anti-Soviet, is true, why so many lies then? Either tens of millions of people shot, then they threw corpses. About the repressions of servicemen in 37 and then, the total number of those dismissed for the execution was issued. Lies, dirt and nothing more. I’m not talking about the “spiritual leaders” of the anti-Soviet. Scum on the scum and scum drives away. Either a traitor or a pedophile. Kunstkamera.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Curious

Looking at the discussions caused by articles about Nicholas II, the idea arose that the problem is more serious and lies in another plane. They just haven’t understood this yet.
. mental illness

Yes, now your comments are much clearer.

Quote: Curious

I would think on the spot of some of the regulars of such discussions.

Why don’t you think about it? Already peeps, as it should.

[Monarchist]

U.V. author, you showed that you very poorly know the history of your country (otherwise you would not be offered to canonize Peter 3) and are not interested in your cultural history, otherwise you would know that the issue of canonization is considered more closely than the party control commission under Stalin (it happened a lot of evidence on our website)
I recommend reading the memoirs of Catherine the Great and Dashkova, so that they know what Peter 3 was like.
Kshisinskaya was a spectacular woman, and if the Tsar was not indifferent to her, this is not surprising.
Guys, let's be honest: everyone, even in his thoughts, but cheated on his wife. The sovereign was a henpecked man and loved his mother very much, and as a result, RI disappeared.
I am not a fan of the Communists, but I respected and respect the True IDEAN fighters, and I CIRCULATE various nomenclature specialists. They betrayed and will betray everyone!

[avva2012]

In general, dear, I agree with you (I’m not sure that you need this, of course), but in my opinion, I should be somewhat skeptical about the recollections of Peter 3, his wife and her girlfriend. You will not get the truth from them in such a matter.
The author does not suggest seriously canonizing. So, in contrast. The problem is not that the church canonized citizen Nikolai Romanov and his family. Good, this is the business of the church. The problem is that the current "in power" wants to find an ideological basis in order to legalize what was stolen from the people under its cover. For these purposes, they will do anything. The main thing is to make people forget who was the real owner, most recently of what belongs to them now.

[avt]

Quote: Monarchist

I recommend reading the memoirs of Catherine the Great and Dashkova, so that they know what Peter 3 was like.

Two stinker banged a man and with what hangover decided they would write the truth? Petyunya of course was ..... well, Bukharik and was tampering. Well, look and find out how miraculously deceiving Petsy No. 1. BUT! He shortened his opponents' head in time and therefore remained Great in history, and the first wife in the monastery did not leave memoirs, but could tell a lot, like his son Lesha, naturally, like a loser, also exposed as a crazy queen of retrograde. If hunting really make up an opinion about the mental abilities of Petit No. 3, it is better to read what decrees he managed to sign. So it will be more reliable. Like Pavlik number 1.

[Monarchist]

Avt, if Dashkova and Catherine the Great are liars among women, then read the works of historians.
Regarding Emperor Paul, the question is different.

[Alf]

Quote: Monarchist

Guys, let's be honest: everyone, even in his thoughts, but cheated on his wife. The sovereign was a henpecked man and loved his mother very much, and as a result, RI disappeared.

It’s possible for the tsar to tear at least a hundred ballerinas, but the tsar should be definitely divided, from 17-00 to 7-00 tear the women, and from 7-00 to 17-00 I rule the country. And I do not combine these classes.

[Weyland]

Quote: Monarchist

I recommend reading the memoirs of Catherine the Great and Dashkova, so that they know what Peter 3 was like.

I recommend reading the memoirs of Enrique the Merciful about his brother Pedro, the memoirs of Radu the Beautiful about his brother Vlad ...
Fine hint:
Pedro the Cruel was succeeded by his brother Enrique / Gracious. Only here, each and in a different nickname has: Pedro Equitable - and Enrique Fratricide...

Vlad Dracula (who beat the Turks in the tail and in the mane) was succeeded by his brother Radu (well, you understand - and the killer. Essno. Moreover, the nickname "Handsome" was received for being a lover of the Sultan Mehmed, under whom he not only lay down, but also laid all Wallachia).

And about Peter 3m Bushkov wrote well: it was 40 Impostors - False Peters (of which Pugachev is only the most famous)! If this is not popular among the people, then I do not know what popularity is!

[Rastas]

Articles about Nicholas, Lenin, Stalin or Stolypin have already sore mouth, the same questions are being sucked up. And for some reason, the authors reduce everything to subjective factors, they say, if there were another king, everything would be okay. The time factor in which the events took place is not completely taken into account; objective factors are not taken into account. Nicholas could not and did not want to go to any fundamental reforms relating to the socio-economic situation of the country, because this did not correspond to his views and the views of his entourage. That is, the monarchy could not solve the smooth progress towards the constitutional monarchy and the elimination of social inequality in society, the elimination of noble land ownership, the creation of social elevators. Mistakes were made before his reign. During the reign of the same Alexander III, who is today portrayed as an ardent patriot, the Russian economy was already hooked on the debt needle of the West, and transferred many key sectors of the Russian economy to Western campaigns.

[avt]

Quote: Rastas

And for some reason, the authors reduce everything to subjective factors, they say, if there were another king, everything would be okay. The time factor in which the events took place is not completely taken into account; objective factors are not taken into account. Nicholas could not and did not want to go to any fundamental reforms relating to the socio-economic situation of the country, because this did not correspond to his views and the views of his entourage.

Eccentric man. Yes, they do not need any such meticulous analytical research and facts! That’s generally There’s no analysis, there’s faith, that faith kept me dark at night ... "elevated to sectarianism. Strengthened by computer strategies. Only dreams in a virtual parallel universe of the type

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

Well, it is quite known from the experience of 1914: if in 1941 Nicholas II ruled Russia, the Russian Army would fight on the territory of East Prussia and Turkey. But if Joseph I Dzhugashvili ruled Russia ... then already in November 1914 would fight near Moscow, and St. Petersburg would be in a German blockade.

A classic of the alternative gistoria genre.

[Old Horseradish]

And Pavel Gusterin, if he had even a drop of his mind, would not slander the Saint. And then it is very likely that Paul will end badly. I do not envy him and his family ...

[bober1982]

And Pavel Gusterin if only had a modicum of mind ....
Pavel Gusterin is an Arabist, Islamic scholar, but he was attracted to the Orthodox Tsar - a bread-and-butter theme, in the sense you can kick from the heart. He doesn’t want to work on his main topic, on which he earns a piece of bread, and there may be complications with Arab guys.

[Reptiloid]

The theme of the Arab (as well as another) East is now very much in demand. In any case, in our city. New books appear, as well as ancient authors are republished. Everything is very expensive. Many thanks to the author for turning his attention to this topic. Respect.
And if the cycle ...... Many would be happy.

[bober1982]

Now it has become fashionable .......turned his attention to such a topic, a win-win, and there is someone (the majority), I'm sorry, howl approvingly. All this went through, only exactly the opposite.

[Reptiloid]

You were pleased to read the tedious cycle previously printed here. Now I have hope for another cycle. !!!!!!
Well, there were no strong people in power in Russia at that time !!!!!!!! Here are attempts from the king and the tables of the pin to create those !!!!!!

[bober1982]

Tired of how much you can, how can it be so often that our cycles, that your cycles.
No restaurant, no girls! Green longing. (General Khludov)

[Sanya Terek]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

[i] But if Joseph I Dzhugashvili had ruled Russia .... then already in November 1914 would have had to fight near Moscow, and Saint Petersburg would have been in a German blockade.

After the start of the WWII, the city with the name St. Petersburg could not be in the German blockade, the name disappeared from the map in August 1914. From August 31, 1914 to January 26, 1924 the city was called - Petrograd. Sometimes, at least look into the history books of the USSR.

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

Quote: Sanya Tersky

From August 31, 1914 to January 26, 1924 the city was called - Petrograd. Sometimes, at least look into the history books of the USSR.

What a misfortune! And many residents of LENINGRAD, even under Sovetskaya Power, called their city St. Petersburg ....

[avt]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

What a misfortune!

Really-bya-ah-ah! Under Soviet power, the Leningraders, as it were, while fronting, called their city affectionately, according to home PETER. But for your virtual ,, home farm with

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

Sovetskoy Power

I won’t say anything - I don’t play games on my computer.

[mar4047083]

You forgot the most important argument - voluntarily renounced. Guess what will happen to the soldier who renounces the oath? And the emperor is holy.

[Dart2027]

Quote: mar4047083

You forgot the most important argument - voluntarily renounced.

After he was actually arrested, and the entire command and government in full force began to demand renunciation. True, then most of them bitterly regretted.

[mar4047083]

Quote: Old Horseradish

And Pavel Gusterin, if he had even a drop of his mind, would not slander the Saint. And then it is very likely that Paul will end badly. I do not envy him and his family ...

In our country, after each redistribution, the authorities of such saints dozens are formed. If there is no mind, pray for them. I don’t envy you. I hope your descendants have more brains.

[mar4047083]

In the end, if we talk about holiness, it is necessary to turn to the primary sources. And there they say - by the fruits you will recognize them. And what are the fruits of the activities of "St. Nmkolai 1"? Maybe great victories? Or led a righteous lifestyle? Maybe under torture he did not renounce the faith and continued to preach among the savages? For what criteria (other than political ones) is it a saint? What, this saint specifically did for the country and the same church. According to efficiency criteria, more saints are I.V., Stalin is. Oddly enough, he restored the church and patriarchy.

[Reptiloid]

There is nothing to praise during the reign of Nicholas2. So there was talk of holiness

[Faust]

... why so far no sacrifice has been counted among the saints ...?

And what does the author have to do with the Russian Orthodox Church? If not, then what difference does it make to him?

[Cxnumx]

We need a more extensive article (or rather a cycle) on its activities. there has recently been a cycle about his "achievements", as commander in chief of the First World War, with an excellent presentation of facts, about how someone sobbed in the building with his majesty; how much he thought about how to be and what to do; how wisely chose from the proposed action plans, etc. huh ... um .. obsessive the whitening of this mediocrity from power.

[Reptiloid]

Yes, indeed, it would be nice to continue. Such a big cycle. And more than that, fantasy !!!!!

[strannik1985]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

just imagine for a second what would happen if in 1941 this very unfortunate king ruled Russia... Well, it is quite known from the experience of 1914: if in 1941 Nicholas II ruled Russia, the Russian Army would fight in East Prussia and Turkey. But if Joseph I Dzhugashvili ruled Russia ... then already in November 1914 would have to fight near Moscow, and St. Petersburg would be in a German blockade.

You might think the conditions for the outbreak of war depended on the personal qualities of the heads of state. If Germany had a land front with the Anglo-French coalition in 1941, then the USSR would have every opportunity to start a war first, just as if, in 1914, Germany had no need to fight on two fronts, then the RIA would be bad.
The question is in the base, the USSR had it, for the land war alone with Germany, but the Russian Empire did not.

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

Of course, the names of the rulers also imply a corresponding system. Under Joseph the First in 1914, Soviet power, under Nicholas II in 1941, the monarchy.

[RUSS]

Quote: Curious

Yes, judging by the comments of individual individuals, they were offended regularly and in a perverse form.

In a perverted form? Sounds like it bothers you? Who has pain, does that mean that? Right?

[Curious]

Right! I love to have "monarchists"! I can’t explain why, but I like it!

[Moore]

Oh, nowadays the newly minted "monarchists" bombanulo ...
It's expensive to see.

[baudolino]

This speech should be attributed to the Opinions section. This has nothing to do with history.

[Monarchist]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Monarchist

Guys, let's be honest: everyone, even in his thoughts, but cheated on his wife. The sovereign was a henpecked man and loved his mother very much, and as a result, RI disappeared.

It’s possible for the tsar to tear at least a hundred ballerinas, but the tsar should be definitely divided, from 17-00 to 7-00 tear the women, and from 7-00 to 17-00 I rule the country. And I do not combine these classes.

Alf, what if you get insatiable? I had one and I still have brrr.

[strannik1985]

Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH

Of course, the names of the rulers also imply a corresponding system. Under Joseph the First in 1914, Soviet power, under Nicholas II in 1941, the monarchy.

What does the system have to do with it? At least a presidential republic. If a year before 1914 the Germans would defeat the French with the British, then the Russian Empire did not shine under any circumstances, regardless of system. If in 1939 a real coalition was formed, and not the farce that the British tried to suck us in, then while the Germans clung to the Anglo-French in the West, you can calmly advance in the East.

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

Quote: strannik1985

What does the system have to do with it? Although the presidential republic

I doubt that Emperor Nicholas II could be a member of the Communist Party and lead the USSR. It is advisable to model the past by relying on facts. And the facts state: in 1914-17, Russia under the leadership of Nicholas II successfully fought against the three great empires. In 1941, the Red Army of the emperor Joseph Dzhugashvili in 4 months ran to Leningrad, Moscow and Rostov-on-Don, fighting against one great country-Reich. In Russia, the “doberzar” could never have occurred to anyone !!!!

[Ivan Zhukov]

Well ... there was still an attack - a surprise, although Stalin seemed to be warned, but he did not listen. It’s very difficult to go into details, since there are facts, and the secret materials on them are still secret, probably not easy.

[strannik1985]

It is advisable not to interpret the facts as you wish when comparing. You do not take into account the fact that Germany knocked out the Anglo-French coalition (which successfully fought in WWI) on land in just a month of active operations? You do not take into account the fact that the 1941 Reich was twice as strong (on the Eastern Front) as the German Empire in 1914 or 1915.
Tell me, does your consciousness in any way take into account the qualitative change in the conditions of warfare with the advent of tank groups (tank armies)? In 1914, the attackers could not physically be faster than the defenders, always in the depths of the attackers' defense there was a new frontier of defense, which had to be broken through, with blood and loss of pace of the offensive. TGr (TA) made it possible to be faster than the defenders, to be stronger at this particular point. The French and the British, after meeting with this new product, merged the front in just a month, although they defended themselves based on the UR line.

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

Quote: strannik1985

You do not take into account the fact that the 1941 Reich was twice as strong (on the Eastern Front) as the German Empire in 1914 or 1915.

So you purposefully forget about the existence of Austria-Hungary and Turkey, very great countries in 1914 (and Bulgaria entered the war in 1915). Turkey did not participate in the 2nd World War, but France was more than replaced by the United States.

[strannik1985]

Hello, Austria as part of the Third Reich since March 1938, Czechoslovakia since March 1939, allies in Romania, Finland, Hungary.
The USA is wonderful, but they fought until 1944 mainly at sea, on land in North Africa. It takes time to organize an L-L and an air attack on Germany, in 1941-1942 the intensity of the bombing was not high, before 22.06.41 the Germans gathered Luft from all over the Reich, the air defense of Berlin carried out a couple of squadrons on biplanes.
What would happen to the RIA if the war with Germany was on one front, and the United States could provide substantial military-technical assistance in a year or two?

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

The Austrian Republic and the Austro-Hungarian Empire are two big differences. Let's say about 1100 million Czechs, Slovaks, Moravians were mobilized into the imperial army. There were zero resistance. About 100 thousand Czechs and about 20 thousand Slovaks were mobilized in the German Wehrmacht. ..e. 10 times difference! The Croats in general on the Eastern Front in 1941-44 were 1 regiment. So the Astro-Hungarian Empire was a much more powerful opponent than the rabble of Romanians, Hungarians and Slovaks.

[strannik1985]

Romanians (holding a contingent of 180-210 thousand pieces and sabers on the Eastern Front), Finns (up to 560 thousand under arms), Italians, Spaniards did not fight against Russia in WWII. As of June 1941, 20% of the enemy force groupings were Germany’s allied 29 divisions and 16 brigades of the Armed Forces of Finland, Romania, Hungary.
In World War I, most of the German troops were held on the Western Front, and the Austrians, in addition, were distracted by Serbs.
Well, finally. In addition to counting by head, this is not only the quantity, but also how these troops are provided. Czech and French workers, in particular, provided the Reich with ammunition (their Germans produced several times more spacecraft), traction and many others (for example, in June 1941, 5 out of 21 TDs were equipped with Czech tanks, a good Lend-Lease).
.With the same success, the Wehrmacht and the Kaiser army can be compared, it seems the first is ahead in terms of achievements, but the Third Reich fought on land alone, Poland, France, Russia, and the Second Reich on two fronts at once.

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

Russia had a Caucasian front in World War I. Austrian troops defeated the Serbs and defeated Italy. Finns showed themselves very weak during the Second World War. So, Romania and Finland did not replace the absence of Ostraich.

[strannik1985]

Russia had a Caucasian front in World War I. Austrian troops defeated the Serbs and defeated Italy. Finns showed themselves very weak during the Second World War. So, Romania and Finland did not replace the absence of Ostraich.

And you remember when the Austrians were able to do this.

The presence / absence of "heads" in this case does not have much significance. The technology of war has changed, the Germans were the first to receive a tool allowing them to smash a numerically equal or even superior enemy, and, by the frivolity of the guarantors of Versailles, they were able to deal with their opponents one by one. The winners of World War I flew off the continent like a cork from a bottle. The Russians did not have an “anti-tank ditch” and an “ally” that could be substituted for themselves on land, hence the results of the initial period of the war. I sincerely do not understand your comparison of the First and Second World Wars, how can one judge by the principle of "gender, finger, ceiling", and even make it open to judgment?

[ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH]

The author of the article began to compare. Offhand, Austrian forces in the WWI accounted for about 60 percent of the troops of the Eastern Front. So the Fourth Bloc put up proportionally more forces in the WWII than the Third Reich.

[Ivan Zhukov]

This is the problem that does not paint Russia in any way, society is divided into political camps, and everyone considers their choice to be right. One story, and everyone’s vision is the difference. This is to blame for both the Romanovs and the Soviet leadership, who rewrote it to fit their needs. That there, they lied, that there, but in the end all this resulted in a great internal war, between the inhabitants of one country. This became especially acute in the 90s, when every “historian” wrote what he was thinking about, or tried to draw attention to himself, and many of these false works are easy in the current education.

Until we ourselves deal with our historical problems and inaccuracies that arise in a brawl between us, our country will never become strong, as in the past. But this is practically impossible to do.

Yes, and the author came down to lies about Peter 2. As you know, Peter 2 was still a reveler, in his then years. He ordered a reduction in the fleet under construction, since it took a lot of money. And at that time, it played a lot into the hands of our opponents.
And with regards to Nicholas 2. Yes, the king he may not be the best, for a lot of things he managed to do very positively for the country, nevertheless, the figure is very slandered.

[avva2012]

Curious,
Understand and forgive?

[Weyland]

Nicholas II became, to put it in the modern language, the most ineffective manager of all Russian emperors, not counting Ivan VI Antonovich and Peter III Fedorovich, who, in fact, didn’t have time to do anything. As for Catherine I Alekseevna and Peter II Alekseevich, at least they did not spoil anything from the heritage of Peter I Alekseevich during their relatively short stay on the Russian throne (two years each).
Bullshit! And about Nicholas (google the growth of the Russian economy during his reign), and about Peter III (who fell victim to the slander of a loving wife - but why with such "ineffective management" would appear more than forty impostors-Lzhepetrov (of which Pugachev is simply the most famous )? And about Katka, for 2 years the reign of which her lover Menshikov privatized 1,5 annual budget and took it to a bank in London, saying "did not ruin anything" - the height of cynicism!

but how could a saint get confused with a ballerina of easy virtue, Matilda Feliksovna Kshesinskaya, that is, if you call a spade a spade, be one of her lovers? They may object to me that Saint Vladimir the Baptist had many concubines. But they were before the acceptance of holy baptism by Prince Vladimir!
Actually, there’s a rule of “what I’ll find, in which I judge”: he had for his whole life one mistress. moreover before entry into a legal marriage - and probably managed to repent. It would be interesting to know the opinion of the author about St. Mary of Egypt, the Holy Byzantine Empress Theodore, the holy Georgian Queen Tamar ...

if the victims of the executions of 1937-1938 were canonized at the Butovo training ground, why are the victims of Bloody Sunday of 1905 and the victims of the Lena execution of 1912 still not counted as saints? The circumstances of life and death are also very similar for everyone: a discrepancy with the authorities in their views on the prevailing life circumstances, and as a result, execution.

victims of Butovo landfill killedand the confession of the Christian faith (unlike the others mentioned)

But just imagine for a second what would happen if in 1941 this very unfortunate tsar ruled Russia ...

I perfectly imagine! The enemy would be stopped on the line Riga - Dvinsk - Baranavichy - Pinsk - Dubno - Tarnopol - as happened in the First MV! Where was the front line in 1915-1917m, recall? And where - at the end of 1942?

[Castro Ruiz]

Ochen plokho, shto Beriya svinopasa Khrushcha srazu postle death vozhdia nedal rozstrelyat.

[Alexander Malikov]

Nicholas II is an outstanding head of state.

During his reign:
The number of doctors increased 3 times, the number of places in hospitals - 2 times.
In 1901, 49 million people received medical care in Russia, 1904 million in 57, 1907 million in 69, and 1913 million in 98.
The number of students in primary and secondary schools increased 3 times, the cost of education - 8 times.
Coal production increased 3 times, the volume of engineering products - 3 times, cereal crops - 2 times, cotton products - 3 times, the volume of metallurgical products - from 2 to 5 times.
Budget revenues doubled and were higher than expenses.
There were: a Russian car, a submarine fleet, aviation and aircraft building, the world's first icebreaker, many other inventions.
80% of the current railways created under Nicholas II.
An unprecedented rise experienced Russian culture.
The population increased by 1,5 times.
Russia of Nicholas II became a great power, claiming world leadership.
Nicholas II, along with his family, gave his life for the Fatherland, for which the whole believing Orthodox people recognized him and his family as holy people.

[Pancir026]

Quote: Alexander Malikov

Russia of Nicholas II became a great power, claiming world leadership

In what place, pathos are you not ours, a lover of mediocrity?

Quote: Alexander Malikov

Nicholas II, along with his family, gave his life for the Fatherland, for which the whole believing Orthodox people recognized him and his family as holy people.

At the time of his death, Nikolai Romanov -DID NOT BE AN EMPEROR, so do not squeeze tears here. But the fact that he is guilty of millions of deaths is a fact.
Mediocrity at the head of the country .. Nikolay, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, the disgrace of the Russian land.

[Pancir026]

Quote: Rvanina

http://vpk-news.ru/articles/8441

So what?
What is not clear to you, yes, surrounded by three armies, but by no means three armies of a full, non-combatant composition.
And if so, then lie. You can arbitrarily. Goebbels is pleased with you.

Quote: Rvanina

The total ratio of irretrievable losses is 27: 1 in favor of the Germans.

This is completely sucked from corned beef nonsense.

[Rvanina]

Duck Do you not believe that MO? I don’t understand — you all refer to this data — and immediately claim that it’s a linden that I can’t even understand at all ... 600 million-6 million died in captivity. It is their data that they did not change them !. You give the data voiced the last time by this MO-4 million military personnel. You don’t want to consider, their phased loss data is how? It is clear that the Defense Ministry is trying to fake our losses under the German-Germans lost on the eastern front about 8,9 million in total ... Well, the fighters decided to slowly adjust them to the ideal 8: 1 in several stages - and most importantly everyone is happy to accept these numbers - they believe them and take no one wants to calculate the calculator and simply calculate their phased data ... They contradict themselves ... It is clear that we want 1 civilian and 1 soldier to die, but not to the same extent
Yes, maybe we didn’t lose so much near Moscow, but the losses there were colossal

[iouris]

The dead do not have shame. It is not for us, the descendants of those on whom the sin of regicide lies, to evaluate the results of the reign of the last emperor. As a man, Nicholas II was probably imperfect, however, which of us is the ideal of man? It is necessary to repent so that what happened a hundred years ago is not repeated, because perhaps we are on the eve of new world upheavals. Should history at least teach us something? Look at the map where the front line with Germany was a hundred years ago in the third year of the war, despite the fact that Russia fought with three superpowers of that time: German, Austro-Hungarian, and Turkish. And today, enemy troops are literally a few kilometers from Petrograd.

[borov]

uncle Murzik,

Quote: Uncle Murzik

Uncle Murzik June 2, 2017 13:35 ↑
borov, unlike you, at least I'm not lying!

You, obviously, write for those who will be too lazy to open the link (the comment was deleted by moderators, therefore I add the link again):
https://sputnikipogrom.com/history/38461/1913-vs-
2013 /
There are about 30 years and about statistics for other countries, which is completely correlated with what you bring.

[ava09]

Quote: INVESTOR

Could not fail to be noted in this thread Zemlyachka, everyone would be shot in the basement without trial and investigation, but drowned on barges ...

Yes, and you, I see, have not yet departed from the scorch of your victory in 1991 ... Or did the dough be jacked off somewhere abroad?

[Fagelov]

I carefully read the article and comments. The biography of Nikolai Alexandrovich is currently quite well known. Any manager can find strengths and weaknesses. This is not surprising. Another thing is surprising that the Marxist mantras about Nikolai the Bloody, about the 9th of January, about the Lena execution and other horrors of the autocracy, are persistently repeated by those who are equally stubbornly unwilling to notice the incomparability of the number of people repressed during the tsar and during the Soviet period. Surprisingly, it is a fact: those who do not believe in God argue about holiness, do not know the dogmas of Orthodoxy, and do not recognize the Orthodox faith. Gentlemen, a quarter century, as there is no Soviet power. It's time to ventilate the room from Marx soot.

[X Y Z]

The second question: how could the saint get confused with the easy-going ballerina Matilda Feliksovna Kshesinskaia, that is, if you call a spade a spade, be one of her lovers?

The author does not understand that there are simply no saints, that people are canonized for certain deeds, and canonization has a certain gradation. Nicholas II and his family canonized as a sufferer, at the lowest level of holiness. The reason for the canonization was his life after renunciation, his humility and patience, which fell to his lot, trials without a murmur. All previous life has nothing to do with his canonization. If the author remembers, then the robber crucified next to Christ was the first to enter paradise. On his conscience was a lot, but it did not stop him from repenting and serving as an example. And this is the destiny of the saints - to serve all sinful people as an example of true Christian behavior.

[Clone]

Nda ... the chairman of the monarchist party, he is a former presidential candidate, has a second citizenship ... Gabon.
Rzhu ... Fun with these admirers of Nicolas, as such, and the ideas of monarchism in particular.