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Before the Russian invasion of the Baltic States remained "minutes"? On the issue of Latvia’s “smart strategy”

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Many in Latvia believe that if the Russians invade Latvia, the Western soldiers will defend Riga with their breasts. If Muscovites strike the defense, but will be defeated later, the West will give Latvia money to rebuild the economy destroyed by the Russian hordes.



Photo Shoot: Sergej Smirnov


In Latvia, many share the opinion that, in the event of a Russian invasion, the West will not leave the country and “after the rout of Moscow” will allocate money for restoration. On the other hand, as indicated by the publication Neatkariga Rita Avize (NRA), Moscow does not make sense to seize "the most protected cemetery in Europe." And therefore, the leadership of Latvia will have to develop the state on the ruins that were formed due to the policies of the last decades.

According to "RT" With reference to the given edition, Western political elites consider “the minutes before the Russian invasion”.

The NRA recalls that last February LETA published a study by the RAND Corporation, stating that NATO is unable to defend the Baltic states. The report also says that Russians can occupy Riga or Tallinn for 4-36 hours.

The Baltic States will be saved by money: if you spend 2,47 billion euros on defense each year, the Baltic countries can still be protected. But does these republics have that kind of money? If they do not have that kind of money, let them pack their bags and flee the war zone. Here is what the original article says:

If a postulate is put forward that a war between Russia and NATO is inevitable and will begin very soon, then what should be a reasonable development strategy for Latvia in anticipation of an imminent catastrophe? In this case, it makes no sense to create a significant industrial infrastructure. Then you need to facilitate the departure of residents. You can simulate work. It’s wiser to steal, steal and steal again, because what you do not steal will be crushed by Russian caterpillars tanks. When in the future Russia will be crushed to smithereens, we will be given money as victims to build the state anew.


However, is it worth talking about tanks and "defeat"?

According to the journalist, after the creation of ports in the Gulf of Finland, the Russian Federation simply does not have strategic economic interests in Latvia. And the second fact: Russia does not have, and does not foresee, human resources that could be directed to the development and any use of even most of its own territory, not to mention the seizure and use of new territories: “Russia has no inhabitants for even its own territory, so hypothetical aggression against the Baltic states can only have domestic political and propaganda value. A beast, surrounded and cornered, can only bite one who is closer. ”

The conclusion is simple: a pragmatically minded person understands that Russia has neither military nor economic sense to occupy a territory populated by pensioners.
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  1. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 23 May 2017 07: 23
    +14
    Now super-mega-super-sanctions will be introduced against Russia for some reason we have not yet captured extinctions! !!! belay
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2017 07: 55
      +5
      The psychosis of politicians continues, the people are intimidated, and they themselves make money on this.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 May 2017 08: 36
        +1
        Interestingly. Do they call themselves the "cemetery of Europe"? Let it be so, only now they run up to it .. "Well, capture us! Well, please!"
        Quote: cniza
        The psychosis of politicians continues, the people are intimidated, and they themselves make money on this.
        1. Cutter
          Cutter 23 May 2017 09: 32
          +9
          Another psychosis of Baltic political newspapers! There is nothing to write about, there is no money, it is necessary to write that Russia is coming (maybe they will throw a bone)
      2. hrych
        hrych 23 May 2017 10: 00
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        The psychosis of politicians continues, the population is intimidated

        To be honest, their psychosis is not without meaning. There is a factor of the local Russian-speaking population, the proportional number of which is huge, because there are less than 1,3 million Latvians, more than 550 thousand Great Russians, 70 thousand White Russians, and even Little Russians need to understand if they consider themselves to be such and their 45 thousand. Of course, Ukrainian separatism aroused in these ... horror, especially the main patriotic Latvian population is busy washing Irish sorts. NATO forces matched against Russian-speaking residents of Latvia itself, and not against the Russian Federation and this must be understood.
      3. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 23 May 2017 11: 18
        +9
        Translation of the article is healthy reduced. The journalist complains that, in anticipation of aggression in 2016, the "investments" left the country en masse and they will have to earn some money themselves, and not what. "Elite," simply God, remains to steal, steal and steal: the war will write off everything. Estonians turned out to be smarter.
        He recently participated in an event in England and there a “smart professor” recommended bringing down from Latvia in the face of aggression: there is no future, there will be no investment - if they destroy why invest, and in that spirit.
        In a word, they raped themselves, but there is no reason, and Russia does not give this reason.

        Maybe someone will read and think about where politicians lead them in the interests of someone else’s uncle, although this is unlikely, which is sad
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    3. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 23 May 2017 08: 52
      +18
      Latvian police units (45 battalions - Nos. From 16 to 28, from 266 to 283, from 311 to 322) carried out security service, were sent to fight partisans and acted on the front in the band of the German Army Group Nord.
      Here at a glance: the Latvian police special squad Arajs (Sonderkommando Arajs) destroyed 26 000 people. The 18th schutzmanshaft battalion of 6 on June 1942 destroyed the ghetto in the city of Slonim, Baranavichy region. Before the executions, they stripped naked. Seized values, tore golden teeth. Corporal Edgar Woolnis photographed scenes of massacres and later sold photographs at five stamps apiece. The 71th battalion in the Slonim region in December 1942 perfectly proved itself in the eyes of the Germans. During the operation, 1676 partisans were killed, and on suspicion of their involvement 1510 people were shot. In settlements in the area of ​​operation, 2658 Jews and 30 Gypsies were destroyed.
      During Operation Winter Magic in February-March of the 1943 year, 10 police battalions took part, eight of which were Latvian, as well as the 2-th Lithuanian and 50-th Ukrainian. 15000 local residents were destroyed and burned alive, 2000 were driven to hard labor in Germany, more than 1000 children were put in the Salaspils death camp in Latvia. 158 settlements plundered and burned. In Osveisky district were all forests were burned, the population was completely destroyed. In just a month and a half, more than 430 villages were burned by punishers. Punishers practiced the “method of clearing roads and fields with the help of the local population” - they drove people at gunpoint into mines. Two days after the completion of the operation, Khatyn was burned, along with the residents.
      At the front, Latvians did not have successes - which they more than compensated for by successes in the killings of peaceful Soviet citizens. In 1942, the Latvian sonderkommandy burned the village of Fedorovka in the Chudsky district of the Novgorod region and the village of Osno. Mass burning and executions were carried out in Lubnitsy, Ozets, Krechno, in a prisoner of war camp in Krasnoye Selo near Leningrad. In winter and early spring of 1944, Latvian police battalions burned 138 villages in the Vitebsk region of Belarus and destroyed 17 000 people.
      A large number of Latvians fought in the German army and SS troops. By the beginning of the 1944 year, in various Latvian armed forces there were 40 000 people, including the 2-brigade - 5000-6000, in the 15-th division - 17 000, in the police regiment 'Riga' - near 3000, in Latvian police battalions - 14 000. By the summer of 1944, the number of Latvian formations increased to 60 thousand people. On 30 June 1944 of the year, the 15th Grenadier Division of the SS troops included 18 412 people, the 19th Grenadier Division of the SS troops - 10 592 people, in the Latvian police battalions - 42 386 people, in the regiments of the 12 border guard . Another 118 32 people served in the ranks of the SS, 418 in the aviation legion, 628 10 in the RAD and the organization of Todt, 584 12. in German units as volunteer assistants to the 'hevi'. This is in the 1944 year, excluding those whom the Red Army and the partisans have already “thinned out” in three years!
      Of the 150 thousand of soldiers and officers of the legion, over 40 thousand were killed and almost 50 thousand were captured by the Soviet Union. About 30 thousand of Latvian soldiers became prisoners of war of the Western allies. 'Forest brothers', the total number of which numbered 20 000 people, continued to actively resist even after the end of the war. What they did to their compatriots is beyond description. The last division of "national partisans" was destroyed only 1956 year.
      There were 23 concentration camps, 46 prisons and 18 ghettos in Latvia. They destroyed about 314 thousand civilians and 330 thousand prisoners of war. During the war years, as a result of mass destruction actions, about 120 000 Jews, 18 000 Latvians and 2 000 Roma were killed - a total of 140 000 people.
      So during the war, Latvians showed their true face, usually hidden by the mask of civilized Europeans. In the Baltic states, Latvia gave the most soldiers in Germany.
      And nobody did the same thing as the Latvians treated Belarusians, Ukrainians, Moldavians, Jews and Russians in the territories occupied by Germans. Whatever later they talked about Soviet repressions, they deserved them.
      All data - from the book Leshchenko Yu.I. “How Europe fought against Hitler. How and with whom they fought. " It is written a little messy and difficult to read, but for those who are interested in numbers - I recommend ...
    4. karish
      karish 23 May 2017 13: 27
      +3
      Are there “minutes” left before the Russian invasion of the Baltic states?

      belay
      Damn the ambush, and in July I’m going to Riga with my family, though later I will go by ferry to Stockholm (tickets are already on hand) - I’ll have time to escape laughing
  2. Thrall
    Thrall 23 May 2017 07: 24
    +16
    Even the Baltic sprats neigh with the Baltic "experts" smile
    Latvia, it's good to slow down. Attacking the first!
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 23 May 2017 07: 39
      +4
      The Baltic states are an excellent springboard for NATO. Peter is under the Uder, actually in the palm of his hand, and central Russia is under attack. Peter the First bought these lands not because of the tsar’s whims .. Well, the "brilliant" descendants kept on working.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 23 May 2017 08: 01
        +3
        I personally need them for a jump to Scandinavia (Swedish museums to take to Kostroma) and for the future capture of the Brit islands. If the mentioned western countries do not protect the Balts, then they agree with the future occupation of their countries.
        SEND THIS COMMENT WORLDWIDE --- RUSSIANS WILL COME
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 May 2017 08: 04
        +5
        Quote: 30 vis
        . Well, and the "ingenious" descendants all worked up.

        Glory to the CPSU!
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 23 May 2017 08: 31
      +2
      Quote: Thrall
      Latvia, it's good to slow down. Attacking the first!

      Yeah. fsey power. All five divisions. Well, five people somehow feed
  3. Teberii
    Teberii 23 May 2017 07: 25
    +3
    The Baltic countries only have enough money for tantrum, the invaders are already in the country.
    1. annodomene
      annodomene 23 May 2017 07: 40
      +5
      And not with the population, but with the type of “government” of the small but proud and independent Baltic republics, or what are they rightly called now? It will be necessary to ask his father, he lives in Riga.
  4. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 23 May 2017 07: 28
    +8
    Why, if you ask for good, why should we seize the Baltic states, in order to go broke, pulling them out of the euronimage? Cars, let them live on their own, as they wanted.
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 23 May 2017 07: 37
      0
      For the last time, the USSR simply asked them not to get in the way, and this time it will be the same.
  5. soroKING
    soroKING 23 May 2017 07: 30
    +1
    in Riga on Blauman street there was a restaurant "Alus Pagrebs" (beer cellar), where cool cupcakes served beer ... repeat
    1. annodomene
      annodomene 23 May 2017 07: 37
      +6
      And also "Zem ozola" .... If only to occupy Riga taverns - then yes, it's time to start "aggression" laughing
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 23 May 2017 13: 03
        +5
        It seems to me that for the occupation of Riga's zucchini, a merciless battle is already underway. Compared to Germans, Swedes, Irish and Britons, Russians and Lithuanians have an advantage - mobility, they are often in cars laughing Although Russians gravitate towards Jurmala and Saulkrasti, there they are out of competition drinks
        1. annodomene
          annodomene 23 May 2017 13: 40
          +4
          I agree, but personally I like Gauja and Lilaste more good
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 24 May 2017 21: 57
            +6
            The institution near the bridge over Gauja was closed, but it's a pity.
            Summer is coming, now the occupation will begin. The occupiers will shamelessly buy up rural products, sweep away all the fish from the roadside shops, then go through restaurants and other hot places ... and only in the fall, when everyone is dispersed, the villagers will breathe quietly and think about how to survive until the next season crying
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 23 May 2017 07: 31
    +5
    For countries such as Latvia, 2,5 yards of euro for defense per year - the amount is prohibitive, if you look. Given the presence of three cripples in the armed forces and the general scantiness of the population, the advice “to steal, steal and steal” looks very reasonable, since money will go in that direction. Unless, of course, they appear.
    1. avg-mgn
      avg-mgn 23 May 2017 07: 41
      0
      The point of all this hysteria is to knock money out of the budget. Trump said - pay, there will be no freebie, and that’s a tight processing of minds
  7. jovanni
    jovanni 23 May 2017 07: 33
    +3
    A beast surrounded and cornered can only bite someone who is closer. "

    Well, if one ever succeeds in making such a "surrounded and driven beast" out of Russia, then he will be able to bite anyone on this planet. And pulls to death ... So let them calm down. Again there will be no sense to restore (no one), so denyushki will save ...
  8. Masya masya
    Masya masya 23 May 2017 07: 37
    +6
    Russia has neither military nor economic sense to occupy the territory “populated by pensioners”.

    whoever this conclusion has been interpreted by these same pensioners ... everyone is waiting and waiting for the sick ...
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 23 May 2017 09: 41
      +8
      Marinochka love Doctors will not let you lie - senility is not treatable. Let these wretched people live in their Nursing Home. hi
  9. Altona
    Altona 23 May 2017 07: 37
    +6
    “Russia does not have residents for the development of even its own territory, so a hypothetical aggression against the Baltic states can only have domestic political propaganda significance. A beast surrounded and cornered can only bite someone who is closer. "
    ----------------------------
    Well do not tell. In the view of the West, Russia always has hordes of Bolsheviks, hordes of convicts, hordes of Stalin, hordes of Putin, hordes of drill. Where she takes them, this secret is. laughing hi
    1. Smog
      Smog 23 May 2017 07: 58
      +13
      Quote: Altona
      In the view of the West, Russia always has hordes of Bolsheviks, hordes of convicts, hordes of Stalin, hordes of Putin, hordes of drill.

      Wow! And these hordes will go around.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 24 May 2017 13: 11
        0
        ..aga-like Kotovsky - gardens ..
    2. Masya masya
      Masya masya 23 May 2017 08: 07
      +7
      “Russia has no inhabitants for the development of even its own territory,

      of course not ... even Seagal attracted the "Far Eastern hectare" to receive ... wink
      1. novel66
        novel66 23 May 2017 09: 34
        +3
        will bring the Indians there - their Chingachgooks will be
  10. newcomer
    newcomer 23 May 2017 07: 37
    +4
    Well, here’s the “scientific justification” for why the Baltic states were lowered below the baseboard: either give money to Uncle Sam, or destroy and steal, the Russians will get the atom. and these squalor still call themselves people ?!
  11. Moore
    Moore 23 May 2017 07: 38
    +3
    According to the journalist, after the creation of ports in the Gulf of Finland, the Russian Federation simply has no strategic economic interests in Latvia.

    Once in the Imkhoklub (https://imhoclub.lv/) he entered into a dispute with one local unique for the subject of Russian aggression. In response to my question, generally speaking: "Why the hell, in fact, did you surrender to Russia with your stores, extinct Jurmala and killed infrastructure?" got an answer something like this:
    - No surrendered, surrendered! Our ports are better, our population is white, non-Asian and cultural. And you also historically want to own us (this is already from the realm of masochism, kmk).
    That, in fact, is all the arguments. And at the official level, the same thing ...
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 23 May 2017 09: 19
      +3
      Quote: Moore
      "And why the heck, in fact, you surrendered to Russia with your shops, extinct Jurmala and killed infrastructure?" got an answer something like this:
      - No surrendered, surrendered! Our ports are better, our population is white, non-Asian and cultural. And you also historically want to own us

      It looks like an old anectode.
      - Man, I'm afraid of you! repeat
      - Why not? request
      “And you will rape me!” repeat
      “How are you on the ninth floor, in your apartment, and I'm on the street ?!” request
      - And now I’ll come down! laughing
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 23 May 2017 09: 44
        +9
        Your area is very dangerous, the day before it was going - they raped, yesterday it was going - raped, today I’ll definitely go. good
    2. Enteo
      Enteo 23 May 2017 10: 21
      0
      These territories are of strategic military importance for Russia. Just like the Crimea captured in 2014. Putin openly said that Russia could not allow NATO to come to Crimea and that the balance of forces in the Black Sea would not be upset. Now the balance of power in the Baltic is not in Russia's favor and it is desirable for Russia that these territories be under Russia.
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 23 May 2017 12: 44
        0
        Whose cow would mumble, but ... are you few Iskanders? Add something sharper at your request.
  12. Altona
    Altona 23 May 2017 07: 38
    +1
    Quote: Jovanni
    Again there will be no sense to restore (no one), so denyushki will save ...

    ---------------------
    Why spend shells on something that will fall apart so soon.
  13. HEATHER
    HEATHER 23 May 2017 07: 41
    +6
    a pragmatically minded person understands that Russia has neither military nor economic sense to occupy the territory “populated by pensioners”. Figs know these pensioners. What if they drive us with sticks? I’d better sit at home., Shoot from the slingshot towards the Baltic, well, and stumble into the basement. Pensioners are worse than nuclear warheads.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 23 May 2017 09: 48
      +1
      Quote: VERESK
      Pensioners are worse than vigorous warheads.

      An active pensioner with lots of free time is an irresistible force!
  14. Monarchist
    Monarchist 23 May 2017 07: 45
    +1
    They used to say: they joined NATO and a 100% guarantee of security, they entered and again "we only dream of peace."
    In order to worry less in Livonia, you need to: 1) leave the Russian-speaking population alone 2) restore our monuments and finally you need to oversleep well (they look at Pedro there and let yourself thump)
  15. Observer2014
    Observer2014 23 May 2017 07: 58
    +4
    Before the Russian invasion of the Baltic States remained "minutes"? On the issue of Latvia’s “smart strategy”
    Lies!!! Seconds left !!! laughing
  16. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 23 May 2017 08: 00
    +1
    don’t lose your account in anticipation of war and you are waiting on the wrong side
  17. Alexander Abdrakhmanov
    Alexander Abdrakhmanov 23 May 2017 08: 05
    +9
    At the Baltic states, what they got from the USSR was that everything had collapsed, now they need a war with Russia to restore these ruins. Today there are no such fools in Russia - to feed this Russophobic scum. They will swell from hunger - I won’t throw through the grain fence, to feed the ray of refugees from other countries than these ungrateful dogs. They will destroy themselves - as long as they defend themselves, from an adversary who doesn’t wake when they are attacked. Let them wait and die of poverty, on our border, of course, we will send condolences verbally, but not money.
    1. Enteo
      Enteo 23 May 2017 10: 25
      0
      all ruined

      Hundreds and hundreds of manufacturing enterprises have been operating in Estonia since tsarist and Soviet times. They are working right now. working day))
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 23 May 2017 12: 48
        +1
        Yes, the entire population is not enough for hundreds of enterprises. Therefore, ask that you be captured.
        1. Enteo
          Enteo 23 May 2017 12: 57
          0
          We have no problems with work. The industry employs more than 7000 enterprises.
      2. ingener1966
        ingener1966 23 May 2017 13: 00
        +1
        AGA especially in Narva ... Krenholm manufactory (35000 workers) closed, Baltiets plant (Sredmash) closed, Baltic state district power station converted to a thermal power plant fool , you walk around the city, it’s empty in the city, everyone is earning money, some in Russia, some in Europe and Canada. I can also tell you about Silamäe, and I can add about Kohtla-Järve. I come from Narva and my daughter lives in Tallinn. So, don’t do it here la-la. And also the situation in sprat was amazed, almost no one smokes on the streets, thought that they had quit smoking, but they were not afraid that they would shoot a cigarette, and they were expensive. request If you want, I can tell a lot, especially in comparison with how it lives here and here. One thing I want to say is that we live much better than they do. hi
        1. Enteo
          Enteo 23 May 2017 13: 07
          0
          About 10.000 people worked at the Krenholm manufactory. No need to lie here. Over 30.000 in Russia, the manufactories closed. and there wasn’t such a headcount. This year Baltiets Plant celebrates its 70th anniversary and most recently in May they began to expand production. They produce metal structures for heavy industry. There are no problems with Narva power plants. Russians live worse than residents of Estonia, but slightly better than residents of Latvia.
          1. ingener1966
            ingener1966 23 May 2017 15: 11
            0
            What's worse? Poor or what? Specifically, in what?
            1. Enteo
              Enteo 23 May 2017 15: 49
              0
              Incomes are less and other trifles such as quality of services and infrastructure development. In Estonia, for example, a completely new all railway passenger transport, and you? If you started about Narva, then in Narva, for example, the entire sewage and water supply system of the city has been completely replaced. A new water treatment plant was built and today the water quality there is at the highest level.
              1. Sergey Glushkov
                Sergey Glushkov 23 May 2017 16: 09
                0
                Why is there less income in Russia? And you weren’t with us, so don’t compare
                1. Enteo
                  Enteo 23 May 2017 16: 12
                  0
                  More really? Compare at least the average salary in the country. Or minimal. In Estonia, 470 euros at least. Just look at the Rosstat
        2. Enteo
          Enteo 23 May 2017 13: 10
          0
          I will add. The Baltiets factory changed owners several times and today it belongs to the Finnish Fortaco. Now 470 people are working there + in May they began to expand production and create an additional 150 jobs.

          Here is a video from the Baltic.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk_CjA06kms
  18. voron770247
    voron770247 23 May 2017 08: 14
    0
    Run the countdown ...)))
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 May 2017 08: 17
    +1
    I recall the reprise of Y. Galtsev-E. Sparrow: "Well, take me!
  20. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 23 May 2017 08: 51
    +2
    the extremists are sleeping and see that Russia captures them, feed them, build kindergartens, schools and hospitals for them, and they would twist their mugs and spit in the back of the Russians
    1. Enteo
      Enteo 23 May 2017 10: 22
      0
      Here it is being built without you.
  21. Langf
    Langf 23 May 2017 09: 02
    +1
    In the Central Bank, an ax of a lumberjack was heard,
    And in the Sejm, the saw missed the line ...
  22. novel66
    novel66 23 May 2017 09: 39
    +2
    I know. how to raise the Latvian economy in Russophobia - you need to start building a “Latvian rampart” on the border so that the mannerheim and Maginot are jealous, and they will work outside the wall not so badly, well, along the coast too. like the Germans in Normandy
  23. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 23 May 2017 09: 46
    +1
    If a postulate is put forward that a war between Russia and NATO is inevitable and will begin very soon, then what should be a reasonable development strategy for UKRAINE in anticipation of an inevitable catastrophe? In this case, it makes no sense to create a significant industrial infrastructure. Then you need to facilitate the departure of residents. You can simulate work. It is wiser to steal, steal and steal again, because what you do not steal will be crushed by the tracks of Russian tanks. When in the future Russia will be crushed to smithereens, we will be given money as victims to build the state anew.
    There’s some kind of affliction! They gathered from all sides "from mozh to mozh" around us "the victim" of our aggression and are waiting for this very aggression, screeching with impatience. Db!
  24. komradbuh
    komradbuh 23 May 2017 09: 46
    0
    Again they wait to be captured, and then restored. Well, some kind of masochists
  25. Enteo
    Enteo 23 May 2017 10: 27
    0
    With the arrival of NATO quick reaction troops in the Baltic countries, Russia has no chance to occupy these territories. The West has taken the lesson of the Crimea and now Russia has huge problems in the political field and in the economy.
    1. Topotun
      Topotun 23 May 2017 10: 39
      +3
      Nonsense, from a military point of view, this bunch of armed people is not an obstacle. And if Russia needs to occupy the Baltic countries, NATO soldiers will not stop Russia. But why the heck is this for us, you still have to come up with. As for the territory, we have quite enough of ours. And to feed this region again - fuck.
      1. Enteo
        Enteo 23 May 2017 10: 44
        0
        Is an. This is a deterrent. Thousands of soldiers from France and Great Britain, who are nuclear powers, are serving in Estonia on an ongoing basis. As for the territory, then why do you need Crimea, if the territory is already enough? To feed this region of Russia, it is necessary to start growing and overtaking these regions in development.
        1. Topotun
          Topotun 23 May 2017 10: 51
          +2
          Restraining factor? Oh well. And you already contain the occupiers. The flag is in your hands. With regard to development - do not meddle with us. We can handle it. Not the first time. And Crimea is a part of Russia, read the story. And the decision of the people of Crimea was completely voluntary. But we do not need the Baltic states. Why goat button accordion?
          1. Enteo
            Enteo 23 May 2017 10: 55
            0
            Yes. Restraining. Russia will not go into direct contact with NATO soldiers. Read the story about these territories too. Here the same thing Solovyov spoke about the Crimea. Why does he need Russia? And Putin said the same thing in 2008, like.
            1. Topotun
              Topotun 23 May 2017 11: 02
              +4
              What is the useless argument? Crimea is the territory of the Russian Federation, we paid for it with the lives of our citizens and more than once in the last 200 years. You can increase your deterrent (NATO soldiers) - to feed them to YOU ​​anyway. And for tactical nuclear weapons, the difference is a small group of 3000 or 30000 people. So let's stick to parity - you are at home and do not bother with us, but we are at home.
              1. Enteo
                Enteo 23 May 2017 11: 11
                0
                Well yes. And then you will say that Estonians are a miracle. our historical brothers. together with whom we founded the Russian state according to the tale of bygone years.

                And thousands are enough.
            2. Realtor
              Realtor 23 May 2017 12: 06
              +4
              the source ??

              Do you also tear yourself from the roots?

              http://physmatica.ru/novosti-mira-nauki/dnk-eston
              cev-blizhe-k-russkim-chem-k-finnam.html
              ... Researcher Tõnu Esko found that Estonians, despite the fact that they are considered to be kindred to Finns, are nevertheless closer to Lithuanians, Latvians and, oddly enough, to Russians. His study covered sixteen European nationalities, taking into account regional affiliation. After DNA sequencing of hundreds of representatives of each nationality, he calculated the difference index of each nationality from its neighbors.

              Determining the sequence of DNA units made it possible to determine that Estonians are least genetically similar to Spaniards, Italians, French, and Northern Finns (Kuusamo region). North Germans, Hungarians and Swedes are closer to Estonians than Finns living in the south of the country. But with the Baltic neighbors, Poles and Russians (especially the northwest), the difference index is the lowest.

              Classical studies of blood markers have long proved the genetic similarity of Estonians with Lithuanians and Latvians. The study of Dr. Esco on this issue was the most profound and fully showed the biological connections of these nationalities ....

              Yes, you are bitten 404!
              1. Enteo
                Enteo 23 May 2017 12: 51
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                a la

                For the first time in history, Russian scientists conducted an unprecedented study of the Russian gene pool - and were shocked by its results. Including this study fully confirmed the idea expressed in our articles “Country Moksel” (No.14) and “Non-Russian Russian Language” (No.12) that Russians are not Slavs, but only Russian-speaking Finns.
                http://www.gumilev-center.ru/lico-russkojj-nacion
                alnosti /
                1. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 24 May 2017 17: 16
                  +1
                  The keyword in the comment is the site address. Gumilyovshchina is that one more nonsense. By the way, thanks for the reminder - just at the level of delusions of the Baltic states. Gumilevites, therefore, have not decided who the Russians are: Mongols or Finns. Nda-m ...
                  1. Enteo
                    Enteo 24 May 2017 21: 40
                    0
                    Well, I wrote a la.
    2. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 23 May 2017 12: 49
      0
      And what is this extra territory of Russia?
      1. Enteo
        Enteo 23 May 2017 12: 54
        0
        And to which Crimea?)
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 24 May 2017 17: 33
          +1
          A strategically important peninsula in the Black Sea, with a Russian (!!!) (in considerable) population, so to speak, a gateway to the south of Russia. It was a constant source of danger to the southern (and not only) territories of Russia during the existence of the Crimean Khanate, since the Khanate lived by constant raids on Russian lands and the slave trade. In 1783, they solved the problem. After what Khrushch did, it was necessary to decide again, otherwise the NATO base in Crimea was again a fist in the ileum. Taking into account the close work of NATO with Georgia, a big front was formed for an attack on Russia. What do we need? NO! Do you need it? Judging by the cries of the West after the return of the Crimea - it was sooooo necessary. By "you" I mean NATO, where the brave Eesthoooniyaaa enters.
          1. Enteo
            Enteo 24 May 2017 21: 39
            0
            A strategically important territory in the Baltic, with a Russian (!!!) (in considerable) population, so to speak, a gateway to the west of Europe.
            1. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 24 May 2017 21: 48
              +1
              Oh, here’s the phrase about the gate I was waiting for. What for do we have such a gate, if several have already been installed next to the "window to Europe"? A strategic one in the territory of the Baltic countries is the territory itself as a buffer. Only it is not as necessary as in the 40s, anyway, showdowns on the battlefield will be after mutual attacks with all sorts of missile weapons.
              1. Enteo
                Enteo 24 May 2017 22: 30
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                And why the hell do you want Crimea if you have nuclear weapons? So the territory of Estonia is much more important strategically than Crimea. From here to the 2nd capital of Russia do you know how many tanks?
  26. Realtor
    Realtor 23 May 2017 11: 58
    +3
    ... I ran after you to say how you hate me ...
  27. yehat
    yehat 23 May 2017 12: 41
    0
    Yes, all the hype about the threat to the Baltic states is needed only in order to push the NATO garrisons into their territory closer to the Russian Federation. No one in the Russian Federation, nor in the EU, nor in NATO, except for the Balts, whom their own government fears every day, seriously thinks that the Russian Federation wants to attack. Why attack if the troops themselves have withdrawn and left military bases.
  28. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 23 May 2017 13: 24
    0
    the trials already got everyone with their cry about the imminent aggression of Russia. Now I’m going to take a bucket of food from the bears so that he gets angry, upset the balalaika, take the AKM and attack. soldier am
  29. Altona
    Altona 23 May 2017 14: 09
    +1
    Quote: Moore
    - No surrendered, surrendered! Our ports are better, our population is white, non-Asian and cultural. And you also historically want to own us (this is already from the realm of masochism, kmk).

    ------------------------------
    Ports will rot if not working. The white population is already American blacks fuck from the American military garrison. "Historically own" is from the agrarian era, when land plots and the number of peasants were important. We don’t need this for a long time.
  30. vch
    vch 23 May 2017 15: 43
    +1
    Quote: Enteo
    With the arrival of NATO quick reaction troops in the Baltic countries, Russia has no chance to occupy these territories. The West has taken the lesson of the Crimea and now Russia has huge problems in the political field and in the economy.

    I understand that you have come here to troll ..... But competent people have gathered here who understand both in military affairs and in the economy ..... And what you write and that your ports are better and the industry is developing is not necessary .... Enough to raise statistics - it is in the public domain. You will not be destroyed by the Russian army, but by your politicians ..... How much has the number of people living in the Baltic states already decreased? AND? Die yourself and scatter like bugs. Europe needs you exclusively as a springboard for an attack on Russia ..... Some kind of lamb to slaughter ..... WE DO NOT NEED US!
    1. Enteo
      Enteo 23 May 2017 16: 06
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      even imperceptibly.
      And industry is developing. That is yes. In any field. Metallurgy, mechanical engineering, woodworking, gas
      I, textile, shale, electronics, etc., etc.
      And what do you see in these statistics? What Russian squeezed out of there? Who is the problem for? For these states that are building a mono-ethnic society? Or is it a problem for Russia, which is losing at least some control over these countries?
      1. vch
        vch 23 May 2017 16: 22
        +1
        Yes, calm down you !!! You think that everything is in order with you - the flag is in your hands. It is unclear why you lost up to a third of the indigenous population .... We do not need control over your countries. The only thing we need from you is that you treat Russian-speaking citizens in accordance with European standards that you love so much. So that fascism is not revived, which is actually a crime in many, again in many European countries. And your industry ...... Yes, let it flourish and develop ..... We just don’t need it ..... By the way, how many new enterprises were built in Estonia, let’s say over the past 10 years? Just do not talk about the small business of 100-300 people. All that you brag about here (ports, factories) was built back in Soviet times by Soviet people - but in your opinion it’s the occupiers ..... These are the strange occupiers ..... In which the "occupied territories" lived better than the metropolis
        1. Enteo
          Enteo 23 May 2017 16: 36
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          And why did Russia lose in 23 years 7% of Russians? In Estonia, Estonians for 23 years are only minus 4%.

          Many new enterprises were founded (hundreds and hundreds) and many new plants were built by old enterprises. Do not think that they don’t know about diversification of production, etc.
          100-300 people are also not bad. depending on how the automation process is developed there. For example, this new ecometal plant employs only about 56 people and produces ~ 12.000 tons of lead per year (world share 0.11%). Not bad, after all. Adds 20 million sce to Estonia’s GDP. And so in Estonia there are 76 manufacturing enterprises, where the number of employees is more than 250 people. Under thousands of industrial enterprises where 50-249 people are employed. It’s a type of hansacandle candle factory, with ~ 120 people employed and which produces only tea candles over 500 million pieces annually. The numbers today have little to say. The main thing is how the automation process is developed.
        2. vch
          vch 23 May 2017 16: 38
          +1
          About the candle factory - an example just killer good
          1. Enteo
            Enteo 23 May 2017 17: 05
            0
            Soviet factory. Upgraded.

            What example do you need? Shipbuilding? Well, this baltic workboats employs about 150 people and now they are building a 100 meter ferry for the Swedes. Then the next second will be built. There are 3 patrol boats for the German Customs Department. For Estonian border guards, a 45-meter boat is being developed and will be built later. Sweden has recently ordered a ferry. Only smaller sizes.
            http://www.balticworkboats.ee/news/2017/baltic-wo
            rkboats-signed-a-contract-for-ferry

            On May 1 of this year they delivered the last of the 3 ferries ordered for Estonia.
            http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/delfi
            -fotod-ja-video-uhiuus-parvlaev-soela-alustas-soi
            tmist-hiiumaa-ja-saaremaa-vahel? id = 78070366
            45m long ferry. holds 200 passengers, 32 cars and 2 trucks.

            handsome man
          2. Enteo
            Enteo 23 May 2017 17: 12
            0
            Forestry equipment? This company employs 40-50 people and they bring about 19-20 million euros in Estonian GDP. Is it bad? Or do you think it would be better if the whole country would work in one production? :)
            http://www.palms.eu/palms-metsatostukid-ja-haagis
            ed / firmast

            Not like garage a factory.
            1. vch
              vch 23 May 2017 18: 02
              +2
              No, well, a strange "comrade" ...... lol We are convincing him here with the whole site - well, we don’t need you, we are not interested in factories of 40-50 people, we don’t need your ports and candle factories. We are up to our business - we are building cosmodromes, we are reviving the fleet, we are launching new civilian and military aircraft into production. There in my city, only Rosvertol supplies helicopters to 90 countries of the world ..... But he still proves to us that they are good, rich and happy, and we must definitely conquer them !! Well, some kind of perverse logic from a hot Estonian guy! Either your brain has already been washed, or your tolerance has developed so much that masochism is already present in everything. I don’t even know ..... Honestly, I'm tired of convincing you. If you like being afraid of the Russian occupation, be afraid of your health. Feed foreign armies, maybe they will correct the demographic situation for you. Yes, and a little more money - only on the sale of alcohol how much you can earn !! hi
              1. Enteo
                Enteo 23 May 2017 18: 36
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                For airplanes and helicopters, you need rare earth metals, and 20% of world niobium, 10% tantalum and 5% neodymium are produced in Estonia.
                We do not need you. We have our business up to the neck. The space industry to develop. The second satellite is preparing to be sent in 2018. Skeleton supercapacitors will be installed on European satellites. The Estonian Silicon Valley should be completely rebuilt by 2025. Now there are more than 7000 jobs. And much more.
                1. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 24 May 2017 17: 41
                  +1
                  AAAAA !!! I sob into the voice!

                  Since you do not need us, then why do you recall Russia almost daily?

                  Mmm ... Supercapacitors? Yes, it is strong. Without laughter, really strong. If they also turn out to be good, then excellent. But the Estonian Silicon Valley caused an attack of healthy laughter. Is there enough specialists? America has collected specialists from all over the world, and I suspect that I will not share them with you.
                  1. Enteo
                    Enteo 24 May 2017 21: 38
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                    You remember this every day and constantly throw a tantrum about our large-scale military exercises.

                    It is already built on 36 hectares. Ülemiste city and continues to be built .. Of course, there are not enough specialists and therefore new university university buildings are being built in Tartu. And many come from Russia and Ukraine to live and work.
                    1. CT-55_11-9009
                      CT-55_11-9009 24 May 2017 21: 50
                      +1
                      Well, I don’t know anything about those who leave for Estonia. Probably because I don’t communicate with IT-people from the word at all. However, from my friends who are a little spinning in this area, I know that they are striving in extreme cases for Moscow, better - for the USA, Great Britain or large European countries.
                      1. Enteo
                        Enteo 24 May 2017 22: 32
                        0
                        People are different and preferences too. Here at home first. You can live without knowing Estonian. Secondly, close to Russia. And 3 conditions are no worse than in the west. IT professionals earn decent money almost everywhere.
            2. Dzafdet
              Dzafdet 28 May 2017 15: 50
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              Build with a sledgehammer is a class! A Litol slightly grease? laughing
  31. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 23 May 2017 15: 56
    0
    The media regularly publish the "dream" of the former Soviet republics about the attack of the Russian Federation. Russia will not attack the Baltic countries, it will not! For more than 50 years, the peoples of the USSR, and mainly the RSFSR, fed, equipped and developed the Baltic states and again to support them? If in the recent past, port infrastructures were interesting, then this is already in the past, the opening of new ports in the Russian Federation completely eliminated this dependence. The only thing they can still bet on is Kaliningrad, but there is an example of the state of Alaska that does not have a border with other US states.
  32. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 23 May 2017 16: 07
    +1
    The Baltic countries and other former "friendly" countries of the socialist camp, and not only the USA, are needed for a larger area in the event of the start of US military operations against the Russian Federation. Russia will first of all be forced to squander its defense potential of atomic weapons on its closest allies, in the territory of which there are US troops representing a military threat, i.e. the United States itself will get fewer nuclear attacks. This is the principle for NATO expansion, and oligophrenics are simply an unnecessary target. The only smart one in Europe was the President of France, de Gaulle, who understood this and France left the NATO bloc!
    1. Dzafdet
      Dzafdet 28 May 2017 15: 44
      0
      Nah, we’ll immediately hit the mattress covers! And before that, we’ll launch the clip “Slowly rockets fly into the distance ...” on all American channels laughing
  33. Nikita Rogov
    Nikita Rogov 24 May 2017 09: 02
    0
    Russia is not interested in capturing a cemetery in Europe
  34. ver_
    ver_ 24 May 2017 13: 09
    0
    ..and why the farm are they different from Russia-what would they feed? ... This is the period already passed ...
  35. ver_
    ver_ 24 May 2017 13: 14
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    Quote: seregatara1969
    don’t lose your account in anticipation of war and you are waiting on the wrong side

    ... * normal heroes always go around * ... Aibolit 66 ..
  36. behemot
    behemot 24 May 2017 17: 01
    0
    hospadi again? they need to be touched, only seriously, so that the pants cheat.
  37. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 28 May 2017 15: 41
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    Our answer: "Do not wait, Balts!" Are you dying Then piss off! laughing