Ozone kills people
Physicists warn: The ozone layer protects the Earth, but breathing ozone is deadly. Household ozonizers are harmful to health. Heat increases ozone concentrations.
Sergey Kotelnikov, Researcher, Prokhorov General Physics Institute, RAS.
Interviewed by Maxim Shalygin (Project Center "NEW REALITY", http://www.newreality.online/).
M. Shalygin. We all know that ozone, the ozone layer, is important for life on the planet. We all know that ozone protects the Earth from ultraviolet radiation, from sunlight, and we must fight to preserve the ozone layer. We all see this through the adaptation of numerous films, we read about it in literature, we listen to academic representatives, the academic community. It is with reports on this topic. However, it turns out that ozone near us, literally a meter away from us, is killing. A large concentration of ozone is near - this is our possible death. This was stated by ... Sergei Kotelnikov, a researcher at the Prokhorov General Physics Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Sergey, is it so?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, I will continue, behind the noise about the ozone holes, absolutely no one talks about the ground-level ozone. The protective ozone layer is located about 50 kilometers above the Earth’s surface. Surface ozone is at the level of our breathing apparatus.
M. Shalygin. That is, the ground-level ozone above is good, the ozone next to us is bad.
S. Kotelnikov. Ozone. The formula is the same.
M. Shalygin. O3.
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, O3. But the functions it performs are completely different. If upstairs he protects. That near the earth, he kills all living and nonliving. That is, for example, automobile tires - it turns into dust from ozone. This is a very strong gas. The strongest oxidizer is Al-Fluorine (HF). And the second is ozone.
M. Shalygin. But we were taught that to ozonize rooms, ionize rooms, Chizhevsky chandeliers - this is good for health.
S. Kotelnikov. You know, we use only experimental data, verified. And what our research shows. After a thunderstorm, for example, here ...
M. Shalygin. It smells like ozone, they say.
S. Kotelnikov. Well yes. This is said by fiction writers. What do scientists say? We made measurements many times in different places. And in the resort, and in the city ... so, here, after a thunderstorm, ozone falls. Almost to zero. I showed yesterday a picture - our experimental data. That is, washed out. In the surface layer of the atmosphere in the pre-industrial period, that is, when there was no industry, there was approximately 20 mcg per 1 cubic ozone meter. This is our ancestors found out. But, in connection with industrialization, a lot of so-called ozone precursors emerged, from which it is formed under the action of solar radiation. And still need a high temperature. That is - the summer heat. And, for example, in Moscow, about 95% of atmospheric air pollution, the precursors of ozone are vehicle emissions. You yourself are all witnesses, if in 1970, no one knew what traffic jams are, and now it is impossible to drive. The same is true in all cities of Russia, even in small ones. Therefore, there have been a lot of ozone precursors, and all our cities, according to Roshydromet, have very dirty air. Here, it is the predecessor of ozone. This is from the report - I also demonstrated. And now, when the heat comes, especially the last wave of heat - the summer of the 2010 of the year - and during this heat, under the influence of solar radiation, a huge concentration of ozone is formed from polluted air. That is, here, this summer heat of 2010 of the year, it contributed to the formation of ozone concentration in the Moscow region more than 500 µg per cubic meter. What is this figure? I'll tell you now. Under the experimental conditions, these are reference data — 17 percent of rats die in one hour at such concentrations. And the rat, you probably know, she is so ...
M. Shalygin. Survives after radiation, as written in all textbooks ...
S. Kotelnikov. Yes Yes. And after ozone - dies. Why? In the literature, for example, ozone ... (it) the military is called the ideal chemical warfare agent. That is, his tiny concentration and ...
M. Shalygin. Just smell ...
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, the only drawback is a sharp smell. If there were no sharp smell, it would be perfect ...
M. Shalygin. But after all they called in large cities during the colossal heat in 2010 year - “we must go outside the city”.
S. Kotelnikov. Well, you know, the specificity of the formation of ozone, that is, its photochemistry, it is such that outside the city its concentration is even higher. We conducted experiments, measured, for example, in Tarusa, in a traditional resort location. So there it turned out on certain days of ozone is much more than in Moscow. This is explained by all scientists, I just will not take time now. But it is everywhere in the world. We just confirmed it. That is, those Muscovites who are trying to hide from the heat, from the dirty air in the summer outside the city, they can be at high concentrations of ozone and damage their health.
M. Shalygin. How does it (ozone) affect human health? What / what organs are affected?
S. Kotelnikov. First of all, it means what happens during inhalation ... I emphasize once again that we are exploring the ozone that penetrates the respiratory system, which we breathe. They (ozone) can be treated. For example, during the war airtight, say, bags were put on wounds. Even, here, during the Afghan war. And they ran a high concentration of ozone there. And he killed the bacteria. But these are very high ozone concentrations. But when inhaled, even a tiny concentration of ozone causes ... ozone is very poorly soluble in water and therefore penetrates into the deepest parts of the respiratory tract and causes inflammatory processes. Depending, of course, on the concentration and state of human health. With elevated concentrations of ozone even pneumonia, various rhinitis, allergies occur. This is all in the special literature. Foreign research ... A huge amount of research.
M. Shalygin. A heart?
S. Kotelnikov. And, since the respiratory system is closely connected with the cardiovascular (system), it also hits the cardiovascular system. That is, it causes myocardial dysfunction, violates heart rate variability. Vasoconstriction occurs - this is a sharp narrowing of the vessels through damage to the nervous system, a sharp decline in cardiac activity, and so forth, and so on. A lot of research is being done abroad on WHO documents, you can see that ...
M. Shalygin. WHO - World Health Organization ...
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, the World Health Organization, it publishes reports on these studies. And, therefore, the main cause of death from ozone is respiratory and cardiovascular diseases.
M. Shalygin. Can we say - if you have seen the heat in Moscow 2010 of the year - about the increase in mortality, about the increase in morbidity among Muscovites in connection with infection with ozone, so to speak?
S. Kotelnikov. Due to high ozone concentrations. We conducted research not only in Moscow, but also in a low-urbanized area in the south of the Kirov region. Small town Vyatka glade. That is, it was important for us to know that there are a lot of substances in the megalopolis, and in a small town where there is no industry, there, here, only ...
M. Shalygin. What happens there, what is the result?
S. Kotelnikov. It turned out that in the hottest month, for example, in July, there were no Vyatka glades ... there was no connection with the incidence. Even at high temperatures. But there were only two days of double ozone excess. Maximum permissible concentration. Average daily. And here, when in August, thirteen days in a row there was a two-fold excess — that is, the dose was much higher — ambulance calls related to cardiovascular diseases ... and the ozone concentration peak under-peak went. High ozone - many challenges. The correlation is very high. When we read the works of outstanding foreign scientist David Butters. He directly writes that they have so well studied the relationship of the disease with ozone so well overseas that by the number of ambulance calls it happened ... They know how much ozone is in the air.
M. Shalygin. How many people?
S. Kotelnikov. In Moscow. What showed our research. With such monstrous concentrations, there was a very high association with pneumonia. We took calls from the ambulance named after Puchkov, from this station, and the data were taken from the Mossekomonitoring website. And what happened? Yes, for example, the mortality of 12 thousands of people in Moscow, it amounted to an additional mortality. And we got very high correlations with ozone. That is, it is literally ...
M. Shalygin. Is this your opinion, or are there objective data? 12 Thousands of People Died of Ozone in the 2010 Year?
S. Kotelnikov. No, no, we don't say that they died from ozone. Just got a very high connection with ozone, and I showed exactly the example of the schedule, the world health organization leads. That with 50 mcg per cubic meter is already about 2% additional mortality. And according to this graph, if you look at 500 mcg - like this.
M. Shalygin. That is, you say that breathing ozone, the lungs are affected, the heart is affected, and diseases associated with these organs develop.
S. Kotelnikov. Increased concentration. Yes.
M. Shalygin. But we all know that all medical institutions are operating rooms, chambers of women in labor, kill bacteria (ozone) so that mommy can give birth to a child healthy, without bacteria. It turns out, according to you, that we kill newborns in medicine.
S. Kotelnikov. You know, I ran into such a problem when in St. Petersburg I gave a report to physicians several years ago. More than a hundred doctors were. And when I told them about the problem of ground-level ozone, women began to approach me - doctors - and with tears in their eyes began to ask, "Do something with our health department." I say, "What is to be done with it?" They say, “In our hospitals in wards, in the presence of women in labor and newborns, they treat the premises for bactericidal treatment with ozone.” But you understand what violations there are - firstly, the ozone treatment of the premises should be carried out only without people! This is strictly - everywhere, and in all instructions - is! I do not know - they can not read, do not know. Thirdly...
M. Shalygin. Is it only in Petersburg?
S. Kotelnikov. You know, I talked with Moscow doctors. They say that in Moscow the same thing happens.
M. Shalygin. Where can you find high concentrations of ozone, regardless of natural fluctuations, in everyday life? In the devices?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, you know, we were confronted at the beginning of the 2000th. We were called to the institute from the editorial office of the central trade union newspaper "Solidarity" and told that an employee had poisoned them for unknown reasons, he received it from somewhere (ozone). And the institute management sent me with a gas analyzer, but I (already) knew about what it could be. And in the editorial office they simply conducted an investigation and asked to simply measure. And the small so-called air purifier - a small device - turned out to be a powerful ozone generator. Next to it, I checked - more than 1000 mcg per cubic meter.
M. Shalygin. What happened to the woman?
S. Kotelnikov. The woman has blackened tongue, she began to feel very bad. Here, the newspaper and conducted a journalistic investigation. The article, it can be found on the Internet, she somehow came across to me, "Poison instead of clean air." All the details can be found there. Surprisingly, the chief sanitary officer of St. Petersburg, where these devices are ...
M. Shalygin. Are produced
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, the journalists still got to him ... Replied, "we know that ozone is toxic, but we do not check these devices, air purifiers for ozone, we only check them for electrical safety."
M. Shalygin. That is, continuing your thought - this is household ozonizers, and automobile ozonizers, and ionizers, and so on.
S. Kotelnikov. Yes Yes.
M. Shalygin. Question. If san epidemists do not check for ozone concentration, do you say that this can be fatal?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, with such concentrations can.
M. Shalygin. And this is the natural fluctuation of ozone. And there is - how we kill ourselves. And what does the state do? Here, your institute, if it examines these problems - how many stations of observation of squat ozone? Monitoring stations in the country? How many government stations are there in your institute?
S. Kotelnikov. Our institute has no public stations, we have a small network for research.
M. Shalygin. How many stations?
S. Kotelnikov. We have three stations. Two in St. Petersburg. And, here, in the Kirov region alone. That is - it is a network. There is still one for scientific research - one station or two in Tomsk and Obninsk.
M. Shalygin. Is it all over Russia?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, it is non-state. And the state network is the only one - in Moscow there are several stations for monitoring squat ozone
M. Shalygin. A few - is it within a dozen?
S. Kotelnikov. They then work there, maybe there, then ...
M. Shalygin. And it is all over the country?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes
M. Shalygin. Literally two dozen stations. Various forms of ownership.
S. Kotelnikov. No, well, it is necessary to consider all state. That is, it is a state problem in all countries. And the state decides. For example, in Europe, in the countries of the European Union - there are tens of thousands of stations. I showed it.
M. Shalygin. That is, in every city literally.
S. Kotelnikov. But, of course, there are certain criteria. And not only in the city - and in the countryside, and in the cities - in order to provide complete information for both citizens to protect their health, a policy is formed on the basis of this data. Environmental policy. That is - air purification.
M. Shalygin. We live, it turns out, in the country ... how does this happen ... Then the question is what can a simple person, a simple citizen, do? How to get information about high concentration of ground-level ozone? How to protect yourself? What are the precautions?
S. Kotelnikov. You know, what else, I’ll add, we raised this question in 2009, when we raised this question in the State Duma. And what turned out. Lawyers analyzed the legislation and it turned out that our law on atmospheric air was practically eliminated. The main articles - who answers, who finances, the main programs - they are all removed. Nobody is responsible for the air here. And in the US, the government has taken responsibility for the air, for the quality, and for what will happen to its citizens because of this quality.
M. Shalygin. Sorry, we are now entering the territory of conspiracy. Either it turns out that the government consciously makes decisions to kill the citizens of the country, or it is unprofessionalism and some kind of ... short-sightedness.
S. Kotelnikov. I'm just stating facts. And then I do not know. I will answer your questions. What should citizens do? Muscovites are lucky. The only network of state stations is in Moscow. There is access to the Internet. Just type - Mosekomonitoring in any search engine. Get on this site. But there it is necessary to understand. Stated stations and find the nearest. Well, yes, yes. Knowing these concentrations are dangerous, 100 µg per cubic meter is the MPC for the industrial zone. This is already dangerous.
M. Shalygin. Citizens of other regions of Russia?
S. Kotelnikov. Now I will say that the Muscovites should be done when the ozone concentration is exceeded. And you, for example, a core, an elderly person - close the windows, turn on the air conditioner and wait out this time. Stay alive. And when low ozone - yes, you can work on the street. Now, let's say it is cold, there is no sun, the ozone is very small. But, when the heat comes for 20 degrees, then already ... So - use the Mosomcomonitoring site. There is nothing else.
M. Shalygin. Let's say it was not a promotional item.
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, no, this is protection! Why we will advertise Mossecomonitoring, we have nothing to do with it.
M. Shalygin. And, here, inhabitants of other regions?
S. Kotelnikov. Nobody knows there. Neither doctors nor citizens. Or my friend died a few years ago in Yasnaya Polyana. Healthy man. He has his own garden outside the city ... here, the winch, the exhaust is coming ... A hot day was sunny. We measure ozone - it was high. He has a sharp decline in cardiac activity, fell - did not know what to do. While they called an ambulance, a man died. And if, as in other countries, for example, the most visited site is the site for ozone. Here, look, even in pharmacies. But they were informed. They know what this concentration is. And a person can plan their activities. He will not ride a bike when high ozone. And he will live. Here it is. Awareness is needed. Unfortunately, we saw, for example, that none of the doctors, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, and so on ... No one knows about ozone. They do not know that there is such a site and such stations. Awareness is, first of all, protection. And we need to explain what to do ...
(conversation recorded 18.03.2016)
Sergey Kotelnikov, Researcher, Prokhorov General Physics Institute, RAS.
Interviewed by Maxim Shalygin (Project Center "NEW REALITY", http://www.newreality.online/).
M. Shalygin. We all know that ozone, the ozone layer, is important for life on the planet. We all know that ozone protects the Earth from ultraviolet radiation, from sunlight, and we must fight to preserve the ozone layer. We all see this through the adaptation of numerous films, we read about it in literature, we listen to academic representatives, the academic community. It is with reports on this topic. However, it turns out that ozone near us, literally a meter away from us, is killing. A large concentration of ozone is near - this is our possible death. This was stated by ... Sergei Kotelnikov, a researcher at the Prokhorov General Physics Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Sergey, is it so?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, I will continue, behind the noise about the ozone holes, absolutely no one talks about the ground-level ozone. The protective ozone layer is located about 50 kilometers above the Earth’s surface. Surface ozone is at the level of our breathing apparatus.
M. Shalygin. That is, the ground-level ozone above is good, the ozone next to us is bad.
S. Kotelnikov. Ozone. The formula is the same.
M. Shalygin. O3.
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, O3. But the functions it performs are completely different. If upstairs he protects. That near the earth, he kills all living and nonliving. That is, for example, automobile tires - it turns into dust from ozone. This is a very strong gas. The strongest oxidizer is Al-Fluorine (HF). And the second is ozone.
M. Shalygin. But we were taught that to ozonize rooms, ionize rooms, Chizhevsky chandeliers - this is good for health.
S. Kotelnikov. You know, we use only experimental data, verified. And what our research shows. After a thunderstorm, for example, here ...
M. Shalygin. It smells like ozone, they say.
S. Kotelnikov. Well yes. This is said by fiction writers. What do scientists say? We made measurements many times in different places. And in the resort, and in the city ... so, here, after a thunderstorm, ozone falls. Almost to zero. I showed yesterday a picture - our experimental data. That is, washed out. In the surface layer of the atmosphere in the pre-industrial period, that is, when there was no industry, there was approximately 20 mcg per 1 cubic ozone meter. This is our ancestors found out. But, in connection with industrialization, a lot of so-called ozone precursors emerged, from which it is formed under the action of solar radiation. And still need a high temperature. That is - the summer heat. And, for example, in Moscow, about 95% of atmospheric air pollution, the precursors of ozone are vehicle emissions. You yourself are all witnesses, if in 1970, no one knew what traffic jams are, and now it is impossible to drive. The same is true in all cities of Russia, even in small ones. Therefore, there have been a lot of ozone precursors, and all our cities, according to Roshydromet, have very dirty air. Here, it is the predecessor of ozone. This is from the report - I also demonstrated. And now, when the heat comes, especially the last wave of heat - the summer of the 2010 of the year - and during this heat, under the influence of solar radiation, a huge concentration of ozone is formed from polluted air. That is, here, this summer heat of 2010 of the year, it contributed to the formation of ozone concentration in the Moscow region more than 500 µg per cubic meter. What is this figure? I'll tell you now. Under the experimental conditions, these are reference data — 17 percent of rats die in one hour at such concentrations. And the rat, you probably know, she is so ...
M. Shalygin. Survives after radiation, as written in all textbooks ...
S. Kotelnikov. Yes Yes. And after ozone - dies. Why? In the literature, for example, ozone ... (it) the military is called the ideal chemical warfare agent. That is, his tiny concentration and ...
M. Shalygin. Just smell ...
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, the only drawback is a sharp smell. If there were no sharp smell, it would be perfect ...
M. Shalygin. But after all they called in large cities during the colossal heat in 2010 year - “we must go outside the city”.
S. Kotelnikov. Well, you know, the specificity of the formation of ozone, that is, its photochemistry, it is such that outside the city its concentration is even higher. We conducted experiments, measured, for example, in Tarusa, in a traditional resort location. So there it turned out on certain days of ozone is much more than in Moscow. This is explained by all scientists, I just will not take time now. But it is everywhere in the world. We just confirmed it. That is, those Muscovites who are trying to hide from the heat, from the dirty air in the summer outside the city, they can be at high concentrations of ozone and damage their health.
M. Shalygin. How does it (ozone) affect human health? What / what organs are affected?
S. Kotelnikov. First of all, it means what happens during inhalation ... I emphasize once again that we are exploring the ozone that penetrates the respiratory system, which we breathe. They (ozone) can be treated. For example, during the war airtight, say, bags were put on wounds. Even, here, during the Afghan war. And they ran a high concentration of ozone there. And he killed the bacteria. But these are very high ozone concentrations. But when inhaled, even a tiny concentration of ozone causes ... ozone is very poorly soluble in water and therefore penetrates into the deepest parts of the respiratory tract and causes inflammatory processes. Depending, of course, on the concentration and state of human health. With elevated concentrations of ozone even pneumonia, various rhinitis, allergies occur. This is all in the special literature. Foreign research ... A huge amount of research.
M. Shalygin. A heart?
S. Kotelnikov. And, since the respiratory system is closely connected with the cardiovascular (system), it also hits the cardiovascular system. That is, it causes myocardial dysfunction, violates heart rate variability. Vasoconstriction occurs - this is a sharp narrowing of the vessels through damage to the nervous system, a sharp decline in cardiac activity, and so forth, and so on. A lot of research is being done abroad on WHO documents, you can see that ...
M. Shalygin. WHO - World Health Organization ...
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, the World Health Organization, it publishes reports on these studies. And, therefore, the main cause of death from ozone is respiratory and cardiovascular diseases.
M. Shalygin. Can we say - if you have seen the heat in Moscow 2010 of the year - about the increase in mortality, about the increase in morbidity among Muscovites in connection with infection with ozone, so to speak?
S. Kotelnikov. Due to high ozone concentrations. We conducted research not only in Moscow, but also in a low-urbanized area in the south of the Kirov region. Small town Vyatka glade. That is, it was important for us to know that there are a lot of substances in the megalopolis, and in a small town where there is no industry, there, here, only ...
M. Shalygin. What happens there, what is the result?
S. Kotelnikov. It turned out that in the hottest month, for example, in July, there were no Vyatka glades ... there was no connection with the incidence. Even at high temperatures. But there were only two days of double ozone excess. Maximum permissible concentration. Average daily. And here, when in August, thirteen days in a row there was a two-fold excess — that is, the dose was much higher — ambulance calls related to cardiovascular diseases ... and the ozone concentration peak under-peak went. High ozone - many challenges. The correlation is very high. When we read the works of outstanding foreign scientist David Butters. He directly writes that they have so well studied the relationship of the disease with ozone so well overseas that by the number of ambulance calls it happened ... They know how much ozone is in the air.
M. Shalygin. How many people?
S. Kotelnikov. In Moscow. What showed our research. With such monstrous concentrations, there was a very high association with pneumonia. We took calls from the ambulance named after Puchkov, from this station, and the data were taken from the Mossekomonitoring website. And what happened? Yes, for example, the mortality of 12 thousands of people in Moscow, it amounted to an additional mortality. And we got very high correlations with ozone. That is, it is literally ...
M. Shalygin. Is this your opinion, or are there objective data? 12 Thousands of People Died of Ozone in the 2010 Year?
S. Kotelnikov. No, no, we don't say that they died from ozone. Just got a very high connection with ozone, and I showed exactly the example of the schedule, the world health organization leads. That with 50 mcg per cubic meter is already about 2% additional mortality. And according to this graph, if you look at 500 mcg - like this.
M. Shalygin. That is, you say that breathing ozone, the lungs are affected, the heart is affected, and diseases associated with these organs develop.
S. Kotelnikov. Increased concentration. Yes.
M. Shalygin. But we all know that all medical institutions are operating rooms, chambers of women in labor, kill bacteria (ozone) so that mommy can give birth to a child healthy, without bacteria. It turns out, according to you, that we kill newborns in medicine.
S. Kotelnikov. You know, I ran into such a problem when in St. Petersburg I gave a report to physicians several years ago. More than a hundred doctors were. And when I told them about the problem of ground-level ozone, women began to approach me - doctors - and with tears in their eyes began to ask, "Do something with our health department." I say, "What is to be done with it?" They say, “In our hospitals in wards, in the presence of women in labor and newborns, they treat the premises for bactericidal treatment with ozone.” But you understand what violations there are - firstly, the ozone treatment of the premises should be carried out only without people! This is strictly - everywhere, and in all instructions - is! I do not know - they can not read, do not know. Thirdly...
M. Shalygin. Is it only in Petersburg?
S. Kotelnikov. You know, I talked with Moscow doctors. They say that in Moscow the same thing happens.
M. Shalygin. Where can you find high concentrations of ozone, regardless of natural fluctuations, in everyday life? In the devices?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, you know, we were confronted at the beginning of the 2000th. We were called to the institute from the editorial office of the central trade union newspaper "Solidarity" and told that an employee had poisoned them for unknown reasons, he received it from somewhere (ozone). And the institute management sent me with a gas analyzer, but I (already) knew about what it could be. And in the editorial office they simply conducted an investigation and asked to simply measure. And the small so-called air purifier - a small device - turned out to be a powerful ozone generator. Next to it, I checked - more than 1000 mcg per cubic meter.
M. Shalygin. What happened to the woman?
S. Kotelnikov. The woman has blackened tongue, she began to feel very bad. Here, the newspaper and conducted a journalistic investigation. The article, it can be found on the Internet, she somehow came across to me, "Poison instead of clean air." All the details can be found there. Surprisingly, the chief sanitary officer of St. Petersburg, where these devices are ...
M. Shalygin. Are produced
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, the journalists still got to him ... Replied, "we know that ozone is toxic, but we do not check these devices, air purifiers for ozone, we only check them for electrical safety."
M. Shalygin. That is, continuing your thought - this is household ozonizers, and automobile ozonizers, and ionizers, and so on.
S. Kotelnikov. Yes Yes.
M. Shalygin. Question. If san epidemists do not check for ozone concentration, do you say that this can be fatal?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, with such concentrations can.
M. Shalygin. And this is the natural fluctuation of ozone. And there is - how we kill ourselves. And what does the state do? Here, your institute, if it examines these problems - how many stations of observation of squat ozone? Monitoring stations in the country? How many government stations are there in your institute?
S. Kotelnikov. Our institute has no public stations, we have a small network for research.
M. Shalygin. How many stations?
S. Kotelnikov. We have three stations. Two in St. Petersburg. And, here, in the Kirov region alone. That is - it is a network. There is still one for scientific research - one station or two in Tomsk and Obninsk.
M. Shalygin. Is it all over Russia?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, it is non-state. And the state network is the only one - in Moscow there are several stations for monitoring squat ozone
M. Shalygin. A few - is it within a dozen?
S. Kotelnikov. They then work there, maybe there, then ...
M. Shalygin. And it is all over the country?
S. Kotelnikov. Yes
M. Shalygin. Literally two dozen stations. Various forms of ownership.
S. Kotelnikov. No, well, it is necessary to consider all state. That is, it is a state problem in all countries. And the state decides. For example, in Europe, in the countries of the European Union - there are tens of thousands of stations. I showed it.
M. Shalygin. That is, in every city literally.
S. Kotelnikov. But, of course, there are certain criteria. And not only in the city - and in the countryside, and in the cities - in order to provide complete information for both citizens to protect their health, a policy is formed on the basis of this data. Environmental policy. That is - air purification.
M. Shalygin. We live, it turns out, in the country ... how does this happen ... Then the question is what can a simple person, a simple citizen, do? How to get information about high concentration of ground-level ozone? How to protect yourself? What are the precautions?
S. Kotelnikov. You know, what else, I’ll add, we raised this question in 2009, when we raised this question in the State Duma. And what turned out. Lawyers analyzed the legislation and it turned out that our law on atmospheric air was practically eliminated. The main articles - who answers, who finances, the main programs - they are all removed. Nobody is responsible for the air here. And in the US, the government has taken responsibility for the air, for the quality, and for what will happen to its citizens because of this quality.
M. Shalygin. Sorry, we are now entering the territory of conspiracy. Either it turns out that the government consciously makes decisions to kill the citizens of the country, or it is unprofessionalism and some kind of ... short-sightedness.
S. Kotelnikov. I'm just stating facts. And then I do not know. I will answer your questions. What should citizens do? Muscovites are lucky. The only network of state stations is in Moscow. There is access to the Internet. Just type - Mosekomonitoring in any search engine. Get on this site. But there it is necessary to understand. Stated stations and find the nearest. Well, yes, yes. Knowing these concentrations are dangerous, 100 µg per cubic meter is the MPC for the industrial zone. This is already dangerous.
M. Shalygin. Citizens of other regions of Russia?
S. Kotelnikov. Now I will say that the Muscovites should be done when the ozone concentration is exceeded. And you, for example, a core, an elderly person - close the windows, turn on the air conditioner and wait out this time. Stay alive. And when low ozone - yes, you can work on the street. Now, let's say it is cold, there is no sun, the ozone is very small. But, when the heat comes for 20 degrees, then already ... So - use the Mosomcomonitoring site. There is nothing else.
M. Shalygin. Let's say it was not a promotional item.
S. Kotelnikov. Yes, no, this is protection! Why we will advertise Mossecomonitoring, we have nothing to do with it.
M. Shalygin. And, here, inhabitants of other regions?
S. Kotelnikov. Nobody knows there. Neither doctors nor citizens. Or my friend died a few years ago in Yasnaya Polyana. Healthy man. He has his own garden outside the city ... here, the winch, the exhaust is coming ... A hot day was sunny. We measure ozone - it was high. He has a sharp decline in cardiac activity, fell - did not know what to do. While they called an ambulance, a man died. And if, as in other countries, for example, the most visited site is the site for ozone. Here, look, even in pharmacies. But they were informed. They know what this concentration is. And a person can plan their activities. He will not ride a bike when high ozone. And he will live. Here it is. Awareness is needed. Unfortunately, we saw, for example, that none of the doctors, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, and so on ... No one knows about ozone. They do not know that there is such a site and such stations. Awareness is, first of all, protection. And we need to explain what to do ...
(conversation recorded 18.03.2016)
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