The first photos of the flight of the newest Russian UAV Altair

The first photos of the flight of the new heavy drone "Altair", which is currently being tested in Russia.

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[You Vlad]

Oh this network, everything in it is

[Reviews]

Well, what ... Hello.

[NUR]

It’s good that you need to quickly develop different classes of drones, even the Republic of Kazakhstan purchased shock drones from China, which of course is beyond their power.

[APASUS]

Me here is just one thought that always gnaws at our UAVs. As in a country where some of the best military fighters are being released, a working UAV cannot be created ??? Such an aviation school, its own psychology, many years of experience in designing and, as a result, 0

[Reviews]

Quote: APASUS

Me here is just one thought that always gnaws at our UAVs. As in a country where some of the best military fighters are being released, a working UAV cannot be created ??? Such an aviation school, its own psychology, many years of experience in designing and, as a result, 0

And did our Air Force bother with such a TTZ until the beginning of the 2010s? Personally, I have never heard such a thing. And when they grabbed it, it turned out that UAVs were needed already "yesterday", so they began to purchase imports, rather than wait for their own developments. Now they’ve riveted something. Good or bad ("can / can not") - tests will show, this is not a matter of two days.
But in theory, of course, they can. Separately, there is everything for this: avionics for a long time already allows you to complete a full flight profile fully automatically. It remains to reduce all this in one aircraft.

[ProkletyiPirat]

There is no this experience, the old generation has gone, a new one has come, but so far the experience is “in the process of recruitment”. Yes and there is still no analysis of what UAVs are needed. For example, take the same altair with the wings removed less than 2,280 m? I'm not sure, but this condition is extremely important for the transportation of UAVs inside the FEU. Or, for example, its purpose? judging by the range \ autonomy of 12000km \ 48h, everything is fine, but it has aviation kerosene fuel, and there is no vertical take-off, which makes it useless for battalions, brigades and divisions of the SV \ Airborne Forces \ MVD \ Navy, it is also useless for the Ministry of Emergencies \ Ministry of Internal Affairs for the same reason. Someone will say that “he is unnecessary to them!”, “He is for another!” (let's laugh together), Someone will say that he is needed for the VKS for reconnaissance / correction of fire, etc. and here "oh my God" the question arises, and why the hell is he such a militarist with a minimum payload? for VKS, the limitation of the weight and size of aircraft is not significant compared to other performance characteristics. For example, the payload of the bomb \ missiles \ special equipment is important, autonomy (much larger 48h) is important, all this is very limited for the Altair, and for what it is not clear. Someone argues that the altair can be run even with an unprepared primer, but why the heck? VKS work with concrete and only with concrete, the same helicopters, when based in the field, organize bases on the heels where the altair cannot take off. As a result, we get an aircraft with a limited performance characteristics, which limit its use, while the military does not receive strategic and tactical advantages from UAVs. Why didn’t anyone carry out a conceptual and technical analysis of this UAV? Well, yes, it “flies”, well, the refrigerator will fly with a jet engine, but it’s important not the ability to fly, but strategic and tactical advantages.
ps Looking at the military, I remember the phrase "they don’t see forests beyond the trees", good engineers, good production workers, good practices, and the incompetent analysis of the TTZ ...

[APASUS]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

There is no this experience, the old generation has gone, a new one has come, but so far the experience is “in the process of recruitment”. Yes and there is still no analysis of what UAVs are needed.

There is a lot of experience. Look at the Tu-300 Korshun-U and now you cannot find the exact performance characteristics.
Now it’s not the engineers who came, but the managers who studied poorly in the 90th. Here from here the desire to shove the Altair into the civilian sector, but in fact it’s just a disguised request for the allocation of dough.
Honestly, from the very beginning our military is guilty, namely, their drafting of the Terms of Reference, their desire to adapt everything and everything to their goals, sometimes very illiterate ........ In fact, everything goes about their presentation of modern combat technology, for what purposes, by what forces and for what tasks. We still draw tank battles on maps. But the latest aggravation of the conflict in Karabakh showed how easy it is to lose 10% of tank power due to disposable drones.

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

there is no vertical take-off, which makes it useless for battalions, brigades and divisions of the SV \ Airborne Forces \ Ministry of Internal Affairs \ Navy, it is also useless for the Ministry of Emergencies \ Ministry of Internal Affairs for the same reason.

In military operations, conventional roads are used for airfields, and with such autonomy, you can find a piece simply and with ideal data. Another thing is the payload.

[ProkletyiPirat]

1) Tu-300 "Korshun-U" This is even greater squalor than altair.
2) The problem is not with the managers, they just perform the assigned tasks (they look for grandmas with given restrictions)
3) The problem is with analysts specializing in final technical issues, more precisely in the product of their work, “conceptual and technical analysis of UAVs” in which moments should be analyzed where, how, in what quantity and in what order to pour money to get these UAVs. In the USSR and the Russian Federation there was not and there is no organization that would deal with this. Therefore, all TTZs start with “do like your opponent’s”, “do like this,” “do like this! Otherwise my heel will itch.” Therefore, we throw money away without getting in the end what will bring real benefits.
4) About the roads, you turned it cool tell the pilots and VKS technicians about this, after they send you a couple of times to clean the runway from debris, come back here and we will laugh together at this statement

[APASUS]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

4) About the roads, it’s cool you turned down, tell the pilots and VKS technicians about this, after they send you a couple of times to clean the runway from debris, come back here and we will laugh together at this statement

Kindergarten went to the site !?
How old are you that you do not know such elementary things? Belarusians are still training unlike us.
I see no further reasons to continue the dialogue, learn the materiel

[ProkletyiPirat]

questions:
1) how will cracked-crumbled asphalt behave on such a runway during fighter operations? it’s a great idea to land planes on a new asphalt road, and what will happen after N years of using this same road?
2) how will the airplane behave when potholes appear? I know about concreting under asphalt, but even on such a highway they are.
3) HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THE RUNWAY IS CLEAN? You just think about something,
3.1) while the aircraft were in the air the enemy bombed the runway, how do you clear the road? while you deliver the equipment, the planes will fly a hundred times to another airfield and even refuel in the air. Or do you think the enemy will warn you about striking what would you bring the equipment to the road airfield?
3.2) while the planes bombed the runways in the bunkers, do you need a couple of hours to clean and repair the strip, dozens of hours to relocate to the road, why the hell then?
3.3) where did you get the idea that the enemy will not bombard this section of the road? or do you think that the enemy is so stupid that he will not collect data about them?
3.4) autumn came, leaf fall, wind, I won’t continue
3.5) why the hell do you need an AUD with an overwhelming number of airfields and airports? it is much more practical to add money to private owners through DOSAAF (or analogues) so that they lengthen the runways, maintain their runways in the norm and upgrade equipment, bringing all this to a single standard with the military.

[APASUS]

kindergarten, by golly.

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

1) how will cracked-crumbled asphalt behave on such a runway during fighter operations?

The use of the roadway as a runway is expected only during the war. To do this, prepare special sections of the road, which section will be used as a runway is determined at the level of the terms of reference for builders.

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THE RUNWAY IS CLEAN?

We have never heard that special brigades provide the runway cleanliness and at each airport they work daily, all year round in rain and snow.
Chassis racks are designed for landing on the ground, of course this is not for all aircraft.
All other questions simply do not suggest an answer, it is just babble.
Maybe I also ask you a question.
So with which runway this pilot chose to take off:
1 From the ground, what's in the video?
2 From the roadway, provided that it is of course?

[ProkletyiPirat]

I swear kindergarten,

Quote: APASUS

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

1)how will cracked-crumbled asphalt behave on such a runway during fighter operations?

The use of the roadway as a runway is expected only during the war. To do this, prepare special sections of the road, which section will be used as a runway is determined at the level of the terms of reference for builders.

strange, I kind of asked a question about garbage at the AUD and not about building codes.
for the slow-witted, I explain that the plane sits down => sucks in garbage => the plane no longer takes off because the engine needs to be replaced.

Quote: APASUS

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THE RUNWAY IS CLEAN?

Never heard that runway cleanliness provides special teams and at every airport they work daily, all year round in rain and snow.

Where does the AUD have this runway cleaning technique? just re-read paragraph 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4

Quote: APASUS

Maybe I also ask you a question.
So with which runway this pilot chose to take off:
1 From the ground, what's in the video?
2 From the roadway, provided that it is of course?

Will the pilot prefer to take off from the concrete on which the plane is based, or do you think that he will drag the plane to another airport to take off?

[Ustin Umarov]

Can it fly on one?

[Reviews]

Quote: Ustin Umarov

Can it fly on one?

And what can hinder?

[serj.iwanow1000]

The truce with the Nazis and US puppets in Kiev helps the enemies of Russia to strengthen the power of Bandera in Ukraine for the war between Ukraine and Russia!
Ukraine, this is the main danger of the future of all great Russia, while it is ruled by neo-Nazis - puppets of the United States and NATO countries. If they remain in power, then a war between Russia and Ukraine is inevitable in the future, as the enemies of Russia seek this without a nuclear confrontation with Russia itself. The US and NATO cannot be trusted, they lie all the time and try to deceive Russia. A new generation of Russians in Ukraine will be brought up on hatred of their true homeland, Russia, and will be ready to fight against a fool! And then a lot more human blood will be shed and there will be victims as Russia will have to fight not only with Ukraine, but also with all the enemies of Russia who will fight with it under the flag of the Ukrainian state. Where do they come from, these Judas of their peoples, especially the Slavs who kiss the Anglo-Saxons? Who will give birth to these Judas? Obviously not mothers, but most likely corrupt girls! Or as they say in the Slavic proverb: "You gave birth to a mother, but p ... zda!"

What Ukrainian brothers do,
In the vastness of a great country?
Foreigners are buying you all
For the betrayal of our Russia!

Destroying our unity
And the great feat of the fathers!
Allowing the Nazis outrage,
Defending your scoundrels!

Mock at the graves of their ancestors
For the illusion, the lies of businessmen
And made friends with the Nazis
All dividing into their own and enemies!

Like demons rage with rage
Glorifying Russia's enemies.
And in cruelty of anger toil
All praying to alien gods!

You are united with fascism
On the bloody hands the death of children
And we were friends with the enemies of Russia,
Killing innocent people!

And kinship having lost the great
For handouts of cruel gentlemen,
Turned into a faceless tribe,
Destroying his glorious kind.

Would you take it naive to repent
For the betrayal of the Russian Earth,
But in lies continue to toil,
Fanning all the flames of hostility!

[A. Privalov]

The point is moving there and that is good. Let's not forget that Americans went to "Predator" for almost 20 years, and even more to "Reaper". Such projects are always difficult and expensive to implement.
Worse than that, they say that by today the weight of this bird may have increased to 7 tons, which is a bit too much for reconnaissance UAVs. Of course, heavier devices are also known - drone drone drone, but here we are already talking about a sharp decrease in the payload, which is fraught with a lot of trouble.
Also, pay attention, in all articles the emphasis in the performance characteristics is made on dimensions, engines, theoretical flight time, etc. small things, but there is no word about avionics - means and systems of navigation / control and other disgraces associated with electronic equipment. Here, there may well be suspicions that there simply aren't any.
Well, the most alarming should cause reports of problems with financing. I quote:

27 April 2017 of the year. The Russian Defense Ministry does not have the opportunity to continue to single-handedly finance the program of the Altair drone he ordered and he proposes to organize co-financing of the project through the parallel creation of a civilian version. Vedomosti is writing about this with reference to a high-ranking source in the Rostec State Corporation and two sources in the military department.
The Rostec told the publication that the Ministry of Defense has already spent more than two billion rubles on this project, but the military department does not have the money to complete the work. Therefore, the idea to find co-financing in the amount of about 1,5-2 billion rubles for an additional program of parallel development of a civilian version of the drone.

"Co-financing" is a beautiful word. I can not imagine how quickly it will be possible to find such a good uncle in today's capital outflow. I quote:

The Bank of Russia announced a significant increase in capital outflow from Russia in January — April 2017. According to the regulator, the net private capital outflow for this period amounted to $ 21 billion, which is more than twice the figure for the first four months of the previous year (it was $ 9,8 billion).

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Okay, maybe someone will agree to expel a couple of billions, but 5 is gone for mastering the first two billion years, and for the second more? Or civilians "learn faster"? Further, what can civilians do with a five-ton blobboy. Where to keep, maintain and maintain, how and for what to apply? In a word, there are still a lot of questions and problems, and with time, in my opinion, there will be even more ...

[ProkletyiPirat]

weight is negligible compared to other TTX. Nothing prevents changing the weight and size characteristics of the Altair, and thereby ensure strictly no less than TTX with more weight. Moreover, it NEEDS to be done, it is necessary to radically change the requirements for UAVs, but the requirements for equipment in the worst case will only need to be optimized for unification with the citizen and export.

[NIKNN]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

Nothing prevents changing the weight and size characteristics of the Altair, and thereby ensure strictly no less than TTX with more weight.

Moreover, no one has seen TTZ, although they are discussing, I think telepaths ....
Judging by the photo, only the glider is still being tested (I haven’t seen anything on it) ... It will reach the series when it meets the TTZ.

[ProkletyiPirat]

and here it’s clear that in the TTZ it says “do as in Israel”, but the analysis of the concept? what for? everything is simple right there! ONCE we have the same UAV to and they have! Long live the new toy for the military!
but the fact that under the conditions of the Russian Federation we need completely different UAVs is of no interest to anyone;

[Zipun]

Where's the landing photo? Or is it disposable, like "Flight" ?!