With prisoners of war acted as required by the conscience of Wielkopolska

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Soviet story gives us multiple descriptions of the horrors of military captivity during the periods of the Great Patriotic War, in the second half of the past century, materials of Soviet concentration camps were made public. The works of great authors and the memoirs of eyewitnesses are devoted to these terrible facts, however, there were no less shocking events in our history that the Soviet authorities tried not to consider. Moreover, in the modern school curriculum, the Polish-Soviet war is mentioned only in passing, as a short-term one. Educators prefer to pay attention to civil war and forget about the huge number of victims of Polish concentration camps. If you believe the data of Polish extras, then in just three years of their existence, up to 18 thousands of unfortunate people were destroyed in them, but independent researchers, as well as Russian and Ukrainian historians refer to a figure five times larger.

Why did the Soviet authorities not pay attention to such a topic as the fate of prisoners of war in the war of the Soviets and Poland? Maybe because attempts to protect them from bullying and humiliation by the Bolsheviks were unsuccessful and very inept. It is also possible that the Soviet authorities discredited the fact that the Red Army units not only failed from such a relatively small state like Poland, but were, in fact, left to the mercy of fate and the victor’s mercy. Only, reading in the fragments of memories and documents, do you understand how disastrous the situation of the captured Red Army men was. Why did the Poles have such hatred for the Bolsheviks and why did they torture the defenseless with such pleasure?

Relations between Poland and the Russian Empire, and in consequence the USSR, have always been at least hostile, but during the crisis period they became seriously aggravated. The abolition of the Brest peace and the transfer of the Red Army to the territories liberated by German troops and the emergence of Soviet Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine also contributed to the tension of relations. The Polish leadership claimed the said lands and could not accept their transfer to the power of the Soviets. Hate, on the other hand, was largely fearful, since the “communist contagion” was seriously frightened in Europe after the 1917 year. In the testimonies of contemporaries, one can see that the Bolsheviks were precisely afraid and sought to exterminate at the first opportunity. The fact is that the Bolsheviks perceived the population of Poland as invaders, and their desire to “wake up” the world revolution was not very popular here. The goals of the Soviet government also cannot be called righteous, since the main task of the Bolsheviks at this stage was to bring the “center of revolution” to the international arena and, first of all, to Germany, the path to which lay through Poland.

During the hostilities, a colossal number of soldiers were captured. The Poles seized thousandths of the Red Army, which often included civilian personnel, including women. Bullying by the Polish military was known far beyond the occupied territories. Various kinds of violence were accompanied by murders and beatings, as well as mass arson and sometimes extermination of entire settlements. The Soviet authorities tried to respond with countermeasures against the population of Poland, but the atrocity did not reach such proportions. It must be said that the detachments of Budyonny, and from the Polish side, Balakhovich, were particularly brutal. Bullying took on a mass character and was so perverted that when reading eyewitness and survivor testimonies, it was doubtful whether these executioners had a human appearance and a spark of reason. The forces were not equal, because, except for the Polish army, supported by strong European powers, the Soviets had to fight with the white movement. However, all the tortures in the occupied territories are fading against the background of the fury of anger and hatred of the Bolsheviks in the concentration camps.

To be precise, the Red Army men died not only in the camps, but also on the way to them. Embittered Polish soldiers and commanders were especially pleased with the bullying of defenseless prisoners. As is often the case, modern representatives of Poland either speak a little differently about the lawlessness that was happening on their territory, underestimating the number of the dead and keeping silent about some glaring events. However, most of the atrocities against Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians are still not concealed. A lot of documentary evidence of the cruel treatment of prisoners does not allow to interpret the story in the aspect in which Europe would like to see it.

Most often in the references to the places of prisoners of war you can find such names as Brest Fortress, Tuchol, Minsk, Stshalkovo, Wadovitsy and at least a dozen more camps and locations. Thanks largely to the materials of the representative of the Russian Red Cross in Poland, Stefania Semplowska, we can restore the tragic picture of these places for the destruction of the Soviet people. Very clearly described the conditions of stay of prisoners in his article by the researcher Maliszewski, based on documents from both the Soviet side and the Polish press of those early years.

Particularly striking is the case of Wagner and Malinovsky, former commanders in the Strzalkovo concentration camp. The captain and the lieutenant found it a special pleasure to beat half-dead people with whips made of barbed wire. The crimes of these two villains became known to the public at the moment when a detachment of Lithuanian deserters entered the camp, some of whom were killed in the very first days.

We are well aware of how the fascists subjected people to torment, but if we look at the Polish camps, then they were no better, and perhaps worse. People are practically not fed, in the hope that most of them will die of starvation. Most of the barracks were uninhabitable, and medical assistance was not provided at all. The wounded had practically no chance of survival, and the healthy ones endured epidemics of dysentery, as well as typhoid, several times a season. In untreated wounds, worms bred, and in the barracks there was a stench from rotting flesh, feces and the sick. The air itself in the camps was infectious and destructive. Many in the first months fell ill with tuberculosis. Not only there were not enough shops in the premises, but even the most necessary hygiene devices could not be met. The walls were practically not protected from the cold and were made either from rotten boards or from sheet metal, and people slept right on the ground. No straw or hay was given to the prisoners, which contributed to the development of colds. The situation was aggravated by the lack of latrines, so intestinal infections spread. People were so hungry that they chose to clean from dung heaps. Even hot water was a rarity and a boon.

The camp commanders did not care about the most basic measures to isolate contagious patients, as a result of which the prisoners died out in dozens of days. Only in Tuchola, according to the secret report of Lieutenant Colonel Matushevsky, about 22-thousand people died. That is why Tuchol was named the death camp, although other places differed little from it. In this terrible place, which became the grave for a huge number of young Soviet children, there were practically no healthy people. Even the simplest accessories, such as bandages, were not enough, and doctors had to wash and dry them, removing them from the dead. The convoy treated the prisoners as slaves, and even worse than cattle. Murder and torture became ubiquitous entertainment, and local residents recalled that the burial grounds were so overcrowded that the land did not always cover the remains.

All prisoners of war were conventionally divided into Russian White Guards, Soviet Poles, Red Armymen and Bolsheviks. The position of the Bolsheviks was the most difficult, they often settled in unheated barracks, did not have warm clothes and shoes and practically did not feed. Their life was subordinated to the prison regime and was not evaluated at all. These prisoners were absolutely powerless and for open mockery of them, as, by the way, the jailers were not condemned for the murder.

In early November 1919, agreements were signed on the exchange of prisoners, with the result that 400 people were sent to the territory of the Soviets. However, due to the fact that there were far fewer Polish prisoners in Russia, the question of returning the Red Army soldiers did not receive permission in the future. In September, 1920, Brodovsky signed an agreement on the transfer of part of Soviet prisoners in exchange for Polish ones, but Moscow considered such an agreement unprofitable and again left the Red Army in the camps. Nevertheless, attempts were made to establish relations with Poland, but with Józef Pilsudski, who were fanatically dreaming of reviving the greatness of the Commonwealth, it was extremely difficult to establish contact. The lack of desire to negotiate was largely based on the active support of the Polish military forces by France and Great Britain. As a result, hell for Soviet prisoners of war lasted for three years, which far from all survived.

To this day, the fate of many thousands of Soviet prisoners of war is not known. The belligerents did not achieve their goals, the territories were divided. Some of them nevertheless became part of the USSR, but the price for them was paid too high. Once Minister Sapega was asked about the fate of prisoners of war, to which he replied that they would do with them, as the conscience of the great Poland demands. Judging by the fate of the unfortunate, the conscience in the concept of the minister was a very specific concept.
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  1. Brother Sarych
    +17
    20 February 2012 09: 30
    The question of Soviet prisoners in Poland was completely undeservedly hushed up solely for political reasons!
    Immediately, it was not up to that, there were many other concerns for the Union, and after the war considerations of high politics intervened - well, how could one recall the supremely swinish behavior of the newly acquired "fraternal" people?
    There are big inaccuracies in the article - it always seemed to me that Balakhovich was still “ours”, and not at all a Pole, the Polish campaign of 20 was already after the defeat of the white movement, on the contrary, many former whites took part in the campaign - remember, at least Quiet Don , which everyone should remember from the time of school, Grigory Melekhov also fought in Poland, and as a squadron commander at Budyonny ...
    In the current conditions, when the Poles are completely upset politically (it’s clear that this doesn’t sound politically verified. But it’s very accurate), it’s just necessary to CONSTANTLY remind of those sad years, and not create all sorts of conciliatory commissions from strange characters from the Russian side, for years feeding from Polish hands and even receiving state awards of Poland for this ...
    1. Altergo
      0
      29 March 2012 11: 09
      Yes, the Poles really do not like to see the logs in their eyes, and they have a stigma specifically in the cannon.
  2. -18
    20 February 2012 09: 38
    (Once Minister Sapieha was asked about the fate of prisoners of war, to which he replied that they would do with them, as the conscience of a great Poland demands) eye for eye, conscience of the great USSR made easier 21857 thousand Polish officers, lie in the land of Katyn ...
    1. Brother Sarych
      +25
      20 February 2012 10: 19
      Is it worth writing about which you know nothing?
      Nobody until the end considered corpses near Katyn - this time!
      Secondly, they shot far not only near Smolensk! There were at least three points ...
      The Poles themselves were NEVER interested in establishing the truth - they immediately rested, like rams, Katyn, Katyn - and what was there and how - it does not matter ...
      1. Igor
        +9
        20 February 2012 10: 53
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        The Poles themselves were NEVER interested in establishing the truth - they immediately rested, like rams, Katyn, Katyn - and what was there and how - it does not matter ...


        Here they rested like rams, and we recognized what was there and how important it was to no one.
        1. Zynaps
          +7
          21 February 2012 03: 33
          what Putin and Medved tweeted about the Katyn case is not interesting to anyone. there are no reliable documents. those that were given to the Poles are a pure linden tree that will not pass the usual examination. there are violations in office work, and in dates. and the liquidation of the Poles was entrusted to Shelepin, who at that time was not even 20 years old, and the paper of the 60s of development, and the cute inscriptions "Central Committee of the CPSU" (yeah, in 1940 the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ...)

          a lot of documents are not endorsed anywhere, there are no signatures of Beria, etc. etc.

          and the most interesting thing began when in Poland they began to find living people who, according to the inventory, were to lie in a ditch with a seal in the skull. this discovery was made under Gorbachev, when the stench had just begun to release.

          attempts by relatives to get loot in the Katyn case also failed. this is a recent affair of Wolf-Jezerskaya and the dance group. At the level of Deputy Minister of Justice of the Russian Federation, a letter was sent to the European Court that the Russian Federation does not have evidence of the execution of Polish officers in Katyn and other places. relatives are invited to wipe themselves and look for food in other places.
      2. +1
        21 February 2012 16: 36
        I had heard about the Polish-Soviet war before, which means I have some idea about it. (Nobody completely counted the corpses near Katyn), (At least there were three points ...) amiable, no one will ever be able to find out until the end the real number of the executed ... the truth is always somewhere nearby, only some stubbornly ignore, and do not want to notice, shit others .....
        1. Brother Sarych
          +4
          21 February 2012 22: 58
          There are materials that burials near Katyn were discovered, but the Poles immediately refused to even see who was buried there and how many, because their conclusions were made in advance and new facts were no longer interesting ...
          About three execution points - in addition to Katyn there were other execution points. in particular, the notorious Mednoe, relatively close to the then Kalinin, according to the defenders of the "Soviet trace" in executions it is customary to assert that the Germans did not get there, but this is not at all the case, and the Germans were there, albeit not for long ...
          But it’s customary to repeat the mantra — everyone was shot precisely under Katyn, and that’s it! Basta - and you can’t doubt it ...
    2. schta
      +7
      20 February 2012 10: 55
      Yes, but about 50 thousand more Poles were allowed to go home.
    3. +13
      20 February 2012 11: 55
      Are you sure that this is on the conscience of the USSR?
      1. +22
        20 February 2012 12: 15
        The shooting of the Poles near Katyn is another open page ... It is known that during the time of Yeltsin many archival documents on this case were forged to please the Polish side ... Personally, I am not sure that the NKVD shot them ...
        1. Brother Sarych
          +15
          20 February 2012 12: 24
          And I am practically convinced that it is precisely these corpses of the NKVD that are not involved!
          The executions were, according to the verdicts of the court, about 4000 people - in other places ...
        2. +8
          20 February 2012 12: 55
          Do you mean the documents transferred in 1992? Apparently they were made so clumsy that the Poles preferred to "lose" them.
          http://www.27region.ru/news/newscat/worldnews/9442---q-q
          But our midgets bought and caved in.
        3. +5
          21 February 2012 12: 53
          ....... Strange ...... but the Goebbels commission in 43 established that only the NKVD executed the Poles,
          In 44g. a commission led by N.N. Burdenko proved that the Germans ...
          So who will we believe?
          1. karla
            -4
            21 February 2012 12: 56
            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            So who will we believe?

            To President Medvedev and the Duma. I think the GDP agrees with this, without his knowledge everyone is afraid to breathe belay
          2. +2
            21 February 2012 14: 50
            As always, to the facts.
            But the facts are stubborn.
      2. Altergo
        0
        29 March 2012 11: 13
        Not at all sure.
  3. SL.Kocegar
    +11
    20 February 2012 10: 30
    Poland still cannot forgive us the 17th century
    1. +6
      20 February 2012 10: 47
      Well, based on such an understanding of the relationship, we should recall the brutal suppression of the Kosciuszko uprising by the troops of Suvorov and the suppression of the Polish uprisings of 1830, 1863. Although we can justify ourselves, they say, for the misfortunes of the 17th century feel
      And if, according to common sense, building relationships based only on past grievances is futile. Until the Poles understand this, we will silently hate each other.
      1. Brother Sarych
        +6
        20 February 2012 10: 50
        The cruelty of suppression is not entirely accurate, these are later fabrications or fabrications of the then enemies!
        We should not forget, for example, the episode of the carving of soldiers, it seems, of a whole regiment who went to church on Sunday - and this fact does not honor the Poles! And this is far from an isolated case ...
        1. +1
          20 February 2012 12: 03
          Well, about the cutting out of an entire regiment of soldiers - this is definitely the fruit of a sick imagination, unless this regiment consisted of boys of preschool age. As for the brutal suppression - I apologize for the typo - I wanted to write hard. Although, of course, this is for the beauty of turnover. All revolts were suppressed harshly and uncompromisingly since the days of the Ancient World.
          1. Brother Sarych
            +6
            20 February 2012 12: 28
            This is a fairly well-known example of treachery - now I don’t remember exactly, maybe only a battalion, but they went to a prayer service without weapons, they were attacked and massacred, and in such circumstances, few will survive, even if they are three times an experienced soldier, especially in a strange city ...
            So this is not a figment of a sick imagination, but a little-known historical fact ...
      2. +11
        20 February 2012 11: 45
        The Poles (especially the gentry) have always been very cruel to their subjects, and to strangers even more so. At the same time: the Russian landlords of their peasants could flog the maximum, and the Polish lords could easily put on a stake. Suvorov suppressed the uprising as it demanded the situation of that time. The British and French suppressed the uprisings in their empires-republics no less cruelly, and more often simply atrocities.
      3. SL.Kocegar
        +1
        20 February 2012 13: 57
        If we recall past grievances, then Katyn should not be discounted, the Poles still blame us
        1. +4
          20 February 2012 14: 08
          And this is at their genetic level.
  4. zmey
    +14
    20 February 2012 11: 31
    If the Russians (imperial, Red Army, SA, RA) would treat the enemies as they treated our prisoners, then on the Eurasian continent independent states would remain only in Indo-China and India.
    1. -1
      20 February 2012 12: 26
      Well, you’re my friend fool
  5. +3
    20 February 2012 13: 35
    “It should be considered as a secret and tragedy of European history the fact that a people capable of any heroism, some of whom are talented, valiant, charming, constantly display such huge flaws in almost all aspects of their state life. Glory in times of rebellion and grief; infamy and shame during periods of triumph. The bravest of the brave too often have been led by the most infamous of the vile! And yet two Poland always existed: one of them fought for the truth, and the other creeped into meanness. ”
    W. Churchill.
  6. Region71
    +9
    20 February 2012 13: 43
    Most of all, it’s unpleasant for me that our supreme leaders on the Katyn issue began to self-governing. And the more they poured ashes on their heads and asked for forgiveness from the Poles, the bolder the Polish side became. And the fate of thousands of Red Army soldiers who died in Polish concentration camps is not accepted. time to ask the Poles?
    1. Brother Sarych
      +9
      20 February 2012 13: 56
      What kind of Katyn are we talking about?
      An established joint commission on this issue (about prisoners of the 20th year) is likely to come to the conclusion that our Red Army men themselves were to blame for everything, refused delicious Polish buns. downy beds, and in the most arrogant manner rejected the help of highly qualified medical personnel, and preferred to just rest in order to maximize upset the hospitable hosts ...
      You will see. and members of the commission from the Russian side will receive new Polish orders and, with happy rubbing their hands, will open regular accounts in foreign banks ...
      By the way, the whites didn’t get too far too - apparently, they didn’t appreciate the hospitality of the Poles ...
      1. 0
        April 10 2012 23: 38
        Sorry, no need to jerk. Hope what you described will never happen.
        Although I am afraid that the misunderstanding and hatred of the peoples of each other will only die with the peoples (I am Russian, and the position of the Poles infuriates me)
    2. SL.Kocegar
      +6
      20 February 2012 14: 02
      http://lib.rus.ec/b/295790
      ... Pogroms? The killings? Well, in fact!
      It’s time to forget us, Panov, already
      About this unrighteously shed blood.
      Yes, that's right: Auschwitz and the Warsaw ghetto,
      Zhidov ** millions who died without glory ...
      The wrath of God did not in vain touch them, of course!
      But someone was saved there ... And someone came back.
      And the people are simple, who lived next door,
      For a long time already divided their property!
      And with the children under the Jewish roofs
      Long settled Maryski and Zbysh!
      Well, to return everything to them who came from hell?
      Understand the Poles, Panov, we need!
      And the boy disappeared from their Easter at the beginning ...
      And what did he find, then people did not know!
      Our Lesch, our Yanek, sinned from the heart!
      But it’s not Auschwitz, but it’s not Majdanek!
      Well, a hundred Jews ... But what do we care?
      We are alive, and Poland has not yet perished! ” this is the whole of Poland, and even though there is no grass growing ...
  7. Skorobogatov_P
    +10
    20 February 2012 14: 26
    Dear! How much can you distort concepts? !! After all, we are not saying that war criminals were hanged in Nuremberg (although they were, of course, hanged), they were executed there by a court sentence. But the Poles in the USSR in the period 1939-1940 were executed by the court. Yes, the trial was specific. But it was only at the insistence of the "bloodthirsty" Stalin that the Nuremberg trials took place. After all, the "democratic" Churchill generally offered to shoot the captured Germans for good without trial. In addition, those Poles who were executed in Kharkov were just convicted of crimes against the peaceful population of Soviet Ukraine in 1920 and Red Army prisoners of war in the same year, not to mention the officers of the "two" and border guards. So, dear, queerite is not an eye for an eye, but they get what they deserve. And do not forget that the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with it. Starting from the end of the XNUMXth century, Poles were brought up on the novels of Prus, "Fire and Sword" was especially popular, and were ready to take revenge on the Russians for the liberation of Ukrainians and Belarusians. And they just wanted to drive the latter into a stall - after all, they called them either cattle or antipodes (white-skinned slaves). I would like to remind you that today's Poland is pursuing domestic and foreign policy based on the Jagelon idea. So, at best, as Russia becomes stronger, this Pug will yapping from its European gateway. In the worst case, the Poles will be the first, under the shadow of the American aviation armada, to rush to slaughter the Russians and drive the Ukrainians and Belarusians into the stall. And if they consider Russians as enemies, Ukrainians and Belarusians - as enraged cattle. And consequently - the cattle need to be driven into the kennel, for this it is enough to shoot the recalcitrant. Like this. And while these gentry gentlemen have not yet gotten in the nose, they will not calm down. But the author of the article was right in saying the fear of this whole company. Only fear can provide, if not the loyalty of the Poles, then at least whine from under the collar.
    1. +7
      20 February 2012 15: 31
      By "fire and sword" author, in my opinion, G. Senkevich. B. Prus has another novel "Pharaoh" - on the subject, but different. As for the rest, I completely agree with you. That amerikosov these guys will be in the wings is an axiom.
      I like Polish literature (translated, of course) Polish cinema (dubbed). But Polish (let’s say that we wouldn’t be banned) - double standards are tiring from the heart. Are there really not enough brains that they are allowed to grimace while the West needs it? Then everything will be rougher and simpler. They will straighten. Polish conscience ..... well, well
    2. karla
      -6
      20 February 2012 16: 06
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      Dear! How much can you distort concepts ?! After all, we are not saying that war criminals were hanged in Nuremberg (although they were hanged of course), they were executed there by a court verdict. But the Poles in the USSR in the period 1939-1940 were executed in court

      Insanity grew stronger !!! In court !!! You would be on such a court. Or your children. The court can only be fair or not. "Specific" is how?
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      But it was only at the insistence of the "bloodthirsty" Stalin that the Nuremberg trial took place

      Tales. Or links pliz
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      In addition, those Poles who were executed in Kharkov were just convicted of crimes against the civilian population of Soviet Ukraine in 1920 and Red Army prisoners of war in the same year, not to mention the officers of the "two" and border guards.

      That is, it is precisely those shot ones who are to blame personally? Or were they shot as hostages
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      And do not forget that the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with it. Starting from the end of the XNUMXth century, Poles were brought up on the novels of Prus, "Fire and Sword" was especially popular, and were ready to take revenge on the Russians for the liberation of Ukrainians and Belarusians.

      Therefore, it was the Bolsheviks who invaded Poland?
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      the Poles were the first, in the shadow of the American aviation armada, to rush to slaughter the Russians and stall Ukrainians and Belarusians. Moreover, if they consider Russians to be enemies, Ukrainians and Belarusians - furious cattle

      Clinical case. recommend ritalin, soothes
      Quote: Skorobogatov_P
      And therefore - the cattle need to be driven into a nightmare, for this it’s enough to shoot the rebellious.

      What you deserve the love and respect of the whole world
      1. Skorobogatov_P
        0
        20 February 2012 18: 03
        Too much hysteria. Are you by any chance Novodvorskaya herself? Or her sympathy? What have the hostages got to do with it? And by what court did the Poles destroy prisoners in their camps? Or which court ruled that the activities of "Dvuika" in relation to Soviet citizens (sabotage, attacks on border settlements) is legal and this organization is a just weapon of civilizers? And the fact that in Kharkiv the Poles were executed by court was admitted even by the Poles themselves - they found cases with evidence and confessions in the archives. Of course, if for you the USSR, as well as Russia earlier, is a prison of nations, then everyone who destroyed our people, and in the army, first of all, the people, heroes of a just struggle or innocent victims. Why, even the German army could not manage, and the Russian, according to your logic, God himself ordered to have such.
        1. karla
          -3
          21 February 2012 07: 56
          Quote: Skorobogatov_P
          What does the hostage have to do with it? And in what court did the Poles destroy the prisoners in their camps?

          Now I’ll explain it easier for you .- In a nearby town, someone killed someone, but they grabbed you and shot you because the alleged killer is of the same nationality as you. They gave the order to shoot the owls. prisoners in Poland should have been punished, but not people who had nothing to do with it (especially after 20 years), many of those shot at that time were just children. So who was it if not hostages.
          1. Brother Sarych
            +4
            21 February 2012 09: 28
            You are extremely inattentive - you didn’t shoot Soviet prisoners in Polish camps, they simply starved them, created inhuman living conditions, only there were no gas chambers and crematoria - you didn’t think of it!
            In the USSR, those who were accused of atrocities in the territories captured by the Poles were tried and shot, and there was evidence for that - if you are interested, details can be easily found on the net ...
            1. karla
              -4
              21 February 2012 11: 18
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              In the USSR, those who were accused of atrocities in the territories captured by the Poles were tried and shot, and there was evidence for that - if you are interested, details can be easily found on the net ...

              yes, please, with proofs that the executed (30 tons of people) were involved in crimes against Soviet prisoners of war in Poland
              1. +1
                21 February 2012 11: 41
                Already 30 thousand. Your appetite is growing. Where can I get the rest?
                1. karla
                  -4
                  21 February 2012 12: 32
                  Quote: Dobrokhod Sergey
                  Already 30 thousand. Your appetite is growing. Where can I get the rest?

                  Katyn execution (Polish zbrodnia katyska - “Katyn crime”) - mass executions of Polish citizens (mainly captured officers of the Polish army) carried out in the spring of 1940 by the NKVD of the USSR. According to documents published in 1992 [1], executions were carried out by decision of the NKVD troika of the USSR in accordance with the decision of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks of March 5, 1940 [2] [3] [4] [5]. According to the published archival documents, everything was shot 21 857 Polish prisoners [6]. \
                  I apologize for the typo
                  but nevertheless did not receive a response
                  perhaps with evidence that the executed (20t. people) were involved in crimes against Soviet prisoners of war in Poland
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    +1
                    21 February 2012 12: 38
                    There were no real archival data on this figure!
                    And to crimes against Soviet prisoners of war it’s shot GERMANS the Poles probably didn’t have ...
                  2. -1
                    21 February 2012 13: 31
                    Quote: karla
                    perhaps with evidence that the executed (20t. people) were involved in crimes against Soviet prisoners of war in Poland

                    Is it possible to prove what was not. There is no direct evidence that Polish prisoners of war were shot by decree of the CPSU (b).

                    Quote: karla
                    executions were carried out by decision of the triple NKVD of the USSR

                    By a decision of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks No. P65 / 116 of November 17, 1938, judicial trios created in accordance with special orders of the NKVD of the USSR, as well as troika at the regional, provincial and republican police departments of the Republic of Kazakhstan, were eliminated. Cases were referred to the courts or the Special Conference of the NKVD of the USSR.

                    Quote: karla
                    executions were carried out by decision of the NKVD troika of the USSR in accordance with the decision of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks of March 5, 1940 [2] [3] [4] [5].

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_02NiFmiwY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioGKy2QgRIs&feature=relmfu
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRJzkIAKarQ&feature=relmfu
                    http://rutube.ru/tracks/3198147.html?v=00934c9b2924bf653058c7a8997acbb0

                    There is much more evidence that the USSR and the NKVD were not involved in particular in the execution of the Poles.
                  3. -2
                    21 February 2012 13: 50
                    By the way, karla, and the Germans had something to avenge the Poles. Maybe they heard about the events in September 1939 in the city of Bydgoszcz (the Germans called it Bromberg)?
              2. Brother Sarych
                +1
                21 February 2012 11: 57
                Take a closer look - I wrote that our people shot about 4 thousand, quite deservedly, the rest were Germans ...
                Maybe you will demand sentences from me for those who died in German concentration camps, such as Dachau or Auschwitz?
                1. karla
                  -3
                  21 February 2012 12: 34
                  Quote: Brother Sarich
                  Take a closer look - I wrote that our people shot about 4 thousand, quite deservedly, the rest were Germans ...
                  Maybe you will demand sentences from me for those who died in German concentration camps, such as Dachau or Auschwitz?

                  Everything is clear there, where is the document that the Germans shot it?
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    +1
                    21 February 2012 12: 42
                    Even if they were shot by ours, it didn’t cause much sadness for me! Well, they shot and shot, the time was like that ...
                    But the Germans shot and the circumstances of the shootings speak in favor of this version: the use of German weapons, and most importantly the features of the firing, the use of paper twine and another cart and wagon of other signs ...
                    The most important thing is that in the year 40, only in a nightmare could someone think of a thought. that the Germans will be in these parts, and therefore, to mask the traces, it will be necessary to imitate so many circumstances of the execution ...
                    1. karla
                      -3
                      21 February 2012 12: 47
                      Quote: Brother Sarich
                      Even if they were shot by ours, it didn’t cause much sadness for me! Well, they shot and shot, the time was like that ...

                      Probably the same wassat Poles say the same thing about Sov.plennyh. Without forgetting one thing, the Red Army invaded Poland. The Poles did not attack the Union fool

                      After the liberation of Smolensk by Soviet troops, a commission of Nikolai Burdenko was created, which, after conducting its own investigation, concluded that Polish citizens were shot in Katyn in 1941 by German occupation forces. This conclusion became the official point of view in the USSR and withcountries of the Warsaw Pact until 1990, when the leadership of the USSR officially recognized the responsibility of the NKVD of the USSR [7].
                      The 2004 investigation of the Chief Military Prosecutor’s Office in Russia confirmed the death sentence of 14 Polish prisoners of war on charges of state crimes by the NKVD Troika and reliably established the deaths of 542 people and 1803 of them [22] [8].
                      The theme of the Katyn execution for a long time complicated the Polish-Russian relations and continues to be relevant at present [7] [10].
                      Russian President D. A. Medvedev noted: “The Katyn tragedy is a consequence of the crime of I. Stalin and a number of his minions. The position of the Russian state on this issue has long been formulated and remains unchanged ”[11].
                      On November 26, 2010, the State Duma of Russia adopted a statement “On the Katyn tragedy and its victims”, in which it admits that the mass shooting of Polish citizens in Katyn was carried out according to the direct instructions of Stalin and other Soviet leaders [12] and is a crime of the Stalin regime [13].

                      1. Brother Sarych
                        +1
                        21 February 2012 13: 02
                        The Poles then attacked first, do not forget that it was the Poles who took Kiev, and it seems that more than once, and not ours, Warsaw ...
                        My dear, you didn’t attack that one - have you really not understood yet?
                        I’m not interested in Mitya’s stories and Vovochka’s anecdotes, I’d better watch the series of the same name, it’s more fun and not so mean in relation to my country ...
                        The guilt of the Germans was even confirmed by the Nuremberg Tribunal, although it was not framed by a separate decision, to which grief-revealing letters cling there too much, to read and delve into laziness, but the seeker will find it ...
                      2. karla
                        -2
                        21 February 2012 13: 09
                        Quote: Brother Sarich
                        My dear, you didn’t attack that one - have you really not understood yet?

                        nevertheless, did not submit any links and documents. Expert.
                      3. Brother Sarych
                        +1
                        21 February 2012 14: 49
                        What links and documents do you need?
                        What you have provided besides a set of rotten stamps - I do not keep sites dedicated to Katyn, go there and get enlightened, there are links and documents, and I briefly retold them in a popular language for development ...
                      4. karla
                        -2
                        21 February 2012 15: 00
                        Quote: Brother Sarich
                        I do not I hold sitesdedicated to Katyn, go there and be enlightened, there are references and documents, and I briefly retold them to you here in popular language for development ...

                        These are not rams to keep them in the pen, you google it. It's very simple.
                      5. 0
                        21 February 2012 15: 10
                        Quote: karla
                        These are not rams to keep them in the pen, you google it. It's very simple.

                        Do you need to study or just for proforma? Really a lot of material.
                      6. Brother Sarych
                        +1
                        21 February 2012 15: 15
                        One of the meanings of the word hold is to own ...
                        What is the specific claim? You have been slightly enlightened - so thank you for science and do not bend your fingers in vain ...
                      7. karla
                        -2
                        21 February 2012 15: 18
                        Quote: Brother Sarich
                        What is the specific claim? You have been slightly enlightened - so thank you for science and do not bend your fingers in vain ...

                        In addition to empty verbiage did not see anything. Once again I ask, what is the fault of specific people who were shot by the NKVD?
                      8. Brother Sarych
                        +1
                        21 February 2012 23: 03
                        I repeat for special talents - for the executed NKVD there are documents, only about 4000 people were put on trial ...
                        The rest were shot by the Germans, which was confirmed in the materials of Nuremberg, but they did not make a separate decision on this matter, because no one thought then that some artiodactyls would doubt it ...
                      9. karla
                        -3
                        22 February 2012 08: 04
                        Quote: Brother Sarich
                        For special talents I repeat -

                        Brother - You probably cannot read Russian, I asked for links, including to the materials of Nuremberg. By the way, Voros, if the NKVD shot only 4000 and in 40, the remaining 16000 sat and patiently waited (in the same place) for the Germans to come and finish off (in which they shot 41-42?)? Give at least one link.
                      10. 0
                        21 February 2012 14: 43
                        Guilty can only establish a court. Irresponsible statements by President Medvedev cannot establish the guilt of the USSR in the execution of Poles.
                        Karla, you forget that the Curzon line defined the borders of Poland and Belarus, and Ukraine was outside these borders, just as the Vilnius region was torn away by Poland from Latvia.
                        PS. Learn the story.
                    2. -1
                      21 February 2012 14: 34
                      I suggest listening to the nonsense of Nikita Mikhalkov (besogon) from 1.30
                      Such fiction could not write even St. Lem.
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdOr9gIotMY&feature=related
  8. +8
    20 February 2012 14: 54
    As for me, it would be necessary to put a memorial next to the Katyn memorial (although it is better in its place) to our victims in the Polish death camps. And always - together with some events in Katyn - hold memory events at our memorial. That would be fair.
    A. Pushkin wrote: "I do not believe in honesty of the player, in love for the Pole in Russia." But Pushkin is a GENIUS.
    1. Brother Sarych
      +4
      20 February 2012 15: 03
      I would just replace the inscriptions on the memorial in Katyn - after all, people were still shot, though not us, but the Germans, but it is possible and even necessary to perpetuate the memory of these people ...
      Moreover, the Germans shot our prisoners there too ...
      1. +2
        20 February 2012 15: 22
        And civilians ...
    2. +3
      20 February 2012 15: 44
      100500
      I join in your words and the words of Pushkin.
    3. karla
      -4
      21 February 2012 08: 03
      Quote: ikrut
      As for me, it would be necessary to put a memorial next to the Katyn memorial (although it is better in its place) to our victims in the Polish death camps. And always - together with some events in Katyn - hold memory events at our memorial. That would be fair.
      A. Pushkin wrote: "I do not believe in honesty of the player, in love for the Pole in Russia." But Pushkin is a GENIUS.

      There is no connection between the two events, and to carry out joint events in order to whitewash himself. Both cases are vile and monstrous. And are absolutely independent of each other. By the way, if only the Poles held the same two events together, how would you react.
      And what about Pushkin?
      Goodbye dirty Russia
      The country of slaves, the country of gentlemen
      .And you are blue uniforms
      and you are a devoted people to them
      Y. Lermontov is also no less a genius.
  9. karla
    -12
    20 February 2012 15: 08
    Quote: Brother Sarich
    Katyn - after all, they still shot people, though not us, but the Germans,

    So Medvedev lied? Recognizing that the NKVD
    1. SL.Kocegar
      +2
      20 February 2012 15: 49
      Listen more to politicians
    2. +6
      20 February 2012 15: 50
      Moreover, he lied both as statesmen and as a lawyer, which shows that his professional is not suitable.
    3. 0
      21 February 2012 00: 07
      Yes, he was simply deceived. I trusted the "experts". Didn't delve well into forged documents.
      1. +1
        21 February 2012 09: 19
        In such cases, they are not deceived, especially since he is a lawyer and must know the entire procedure for processing such cases. V. Ilyukhin addressed him and the parliament, provided a video about the origin of these "documents". In short, the Lilliputians caved in before the Lyakhs and Europe and the United States.
  10. SL.Kocegar
    0
    20 February 2012 15: 22
    http://waralbum.ru/category/stories/internment/
  11. Strabo
    +5
    20 February 2012 19: 19
    Polish pan-curves. on every corner they shout about the execution of Polish officers and are silent about the destruction of Russian prisoners of war. So, the figures are incommensurable; our losses are 4 times greater. However, in Katyn there is a monument to Polish prisoners of war, and in Poland there is not a single obelisk in the place of concentration camps where poor prisoners of war died in monstrous conditions. Any attempt to even lay wreaths at the place of death is suppressed by the Polish authorities. In general, the silence of the official authorities regarding the death of Soviet prisoners of war is not clear, although they obeyed the Poles. What a one-sided thing. Someone wrote in his comment about Poland -POLITICAL PROSTITUTE this is true. But look at the history and count how many times Poland attacked Russia. This ini must repent and blame. And the whole world should know about their crimes and not about Katyn. This will be fair.
  12. +2
    21 February 2012 04: 37
    did the European hyena, as Churchill's ally called them, wake up conscience?
    the mind is exactly sleeping, how great it is, six in life
  13. Georg Shep
    -6
    25 February 2012 22: 18
    Poles are a specific people. In this regard, the centuries-old enmity of the Poles towards Russia played a role. Absolutely not justifying the Poles for their attitude to the captured Red Army soldiers, the following should be said. The Bolshevik-communist system itself, which seized power in Russia, was essentially criminal and anti-human. After all, what the Bolsheviks did with the Russian people did not dream of any Poland. And this terror and genocide over our people continued from the Civil War, almost until the death of Stalin. And the attitude towards their servicemen who were captured by the enemy, that in the Civil, that in the Patriotic War, was the same - they did not care, cruel and merciless. This must not be forgotten.
    1. 0
      25 February 2012 23: 07
      Solovki, Azov concentration camps can you remind who organized? I’ll also sing about how Stalin personally shot his prisoners of war.
      1. Georg Shep
        -2
        25 February 2012 23: 41
        You and sing like the communist last.
        1. 0
          26 February 2012 00: 42
          But essentially you can’t! Teach materiel, it can help.
  14. 0
    25 March 2012 03: 20
    at Yu.I. Mukhina on this subject is a wonderful work. http://lib.ru/MUHIN_YU/katyn.txt. without any tension he rolled all Polish nut arguments, without even using the arguments of the Soviet side. You just need to be a nerd to be presented as security officers in 1940. in the pioneer camp, the German caliber shot thousands of people previously associated with the German scourge
  15. ISO
    ISO
    0
    15 May 2012 20: 20
    The topic is of course curious, but names, links to sources and a description of the facts are not enough, everything is one and therefore ...