Katyn shooting was committed by the Nazis

According to the Internet portal newsbalt.ru, a presentation of the Russian edition of the book by professor of the University of Montclair (USA) Grover Ferrat took place in Tver: “The Katyn massacre: a refutation of the“ official ”version”.

A well-designed hardcover book, rich in photographs and documents, was published with funds raised via the Internet to those who were not indifferent to stories Russian citizens.

- explained on the portal "Athanasius".

Publication paid for by funds collected from the public.

People from all regions of the country, as well as residents of several foreign countries, responded to our call. More money than planned was raised.

- Said the project coordinator Maxim Kormushkin.

The work contains documents from the Library of Congress.

Any foreign sources and research in our country are listened to more closely than to domestic ones. With reference to the “Katyn-Mednov history” this rule also works. It is convincing evidence that the Germans shot the Poles in the Katyn Forest. Now it’s said quite enough abroad that our country, our government is not involved in the murder of the Poles.

- Anatoly Wasserman emphasized.

As the Polish historian Romuald Sventek believes, the Katyn massacre was definitely carried out by the Nazis. He personally communicated in the camps of Vorkuta and Norilsk with German prisoners of war who were in occupied Smolensk. In 1952, in Norilsk, he met the Polish captain Wladyslaw Jacques.

I learned from him that the Germans had indeed captured several camps located in the area with Polish prisoners of war and destroyed them, since this was in their interests.

Comments

[atos_kin]

Let the guarantor read.

[Uncle lee]

And some more! And then they repented, repented, asked for forgiveness!
It was said whose hands it was doing.

[73bor]

Gorbachov repented, even after the KGB documents were declassified and it became clear that they were Germans!

[cniza]

The truth will always find its way, although this is a difficult, painful process.

[Greg Miller]

And what, only one Gorbachev? Putin and all current authorities also recognized this as "the crimes of the bloody tyrant Stalin" !!!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from Uncle Lee

It was said whose hands it was doing.

Prudnikova E.A., Chigirin I.I. Katyn. A lie that has become history. Stunned by the depth of the material, the book about Katyn and not only. HUGE work with archival documents I strongly recommend those who are interested in this issue.

Quote: 73bor

Gorbachov repented

More HUGE the question is who, for what, and to whom should repent .... And for the Poles who love Solovyov and not only to beat their heels in the chest - in general, they would have lashed this book with soup ...

[Orionvit]

And also a film by Yuri Mukhin, "Katyn meanness." Everything is laid out on shelves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZdUXDQjnWE

[Reinhard]

The film is very wonderful!

[Aldefots]

Thanks for the link. The film "enlightens" convincing arguments and facts. And it is obvious that the truth is near. It would be interesting to finally clarify by whom and why the genocide of Russian Germans was organized from 1941 to 19 ...? And why no one undertakes to "clear" this shameful page in the history of the USSR?

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

What is the "genocide of Russian Germans"? There was a war and all potential accomplices were interned. This was practiced by both the USA and European countries, such as France. At the same time, then remember the Crimean Tatars and Chechens. Ali did not receive an order for them?

[novel66]

By the tinsel, by the tinsel, on a grand scale !!

[Irbenwolf]

Well, under this case, the whole Polish plane was “planted” in Smolensk - it seems that the same “wool block”.

[Victor jnnjdfy]

Our guarantor is a very intelligent person. And the guarantor’s tongue is firmly attached to the brain. He knows the subject, and therefore says what he says.

[Greg Miller]

Putin, like Yeltsin, adheres to the Goebbels version.

[murriou]

Quote: Greg Miller

Putin, like Yeltsin, adheres to the Goebbels version.

But how can traitors not stick to the treacherous version?

[venaya]

All these confessions that not only did not commit, but absolutely no one needed to do this, they smell so badly of bribery, at least political, it’s already disgusting to become. It is sickening to see how our leaders constantly become practically slaves because of momentary tasks.

[Evgeny Strygin]

the guarantor, like all authorities, needed permission from the Poles to lay pipes through their territory. Well, the fact that you can wipe your ass with proof so the Poles are to blame - they wanted to be deceived and were deceived. They even lost this "document" just in case. What's the point? This hack-work was replicated notably and it was not possible to open its mouth loudly about this - the only evidence is horseradish fake.
Perhaps this is the only "multi-path" in which I really am ready to believe.

[Bath]

Chu is not tired yet)))) we have a whole string of supreme heads sprinkled ash on our heads and sniffed, repenting how is it that way)))

[Ivan Ivanov]

If true, it turns out like with a mannerheim board - make friends at any cost.

[siberalt]

Investigators of the USSR military prosecutor’s office, whom Gorbachev instructed to carry out a forgery of history in Katyn, are still alive. The criminal case, which was rejected by the USSR Armed Forces in view of obvious falsification, remained in the archive. There were still materials on this fact collected by the deputy of the Duma and the former prosecutor of the Union’s prosecutor’s office, Ilyukhin, who suddenly died before he announced his appeal to the Duma about this. There is ample evidence of the Katyn lie recognized as truth by our presidents Yeltsin and Putin. Is it time to raise society to finally solve this "strange riddle"? How much can you bend to the west in a pose of tolerance ?!

[Zoldat_A]

Oleg, !

Quote: siberalt

Investigators of the USSR military prosecutor’s office are still alivewhom Gorbachev instructed to carry out a forgery of history in Katyn.

This is far from Gorbachev’s fake. This is Maestro of Lie Goebbels ... And the Brokeback Dog just to please the West ordered not to pull what is from the archives, but to stick to the Goebbels version. Above I wrote about the book, and so there is a HUGE amount of testimonies of witnesses, reports of the commissions (both ours and German), plus a brief excursion into the history of Russian-Soviet-Polish relations. I have over 1000 pages in my e-book. If I were invited to political talk shows, I would carry this book in my pocket - pan Koreyba shut up my other gentry. Moreover, not at the level of “but I know what,” but at the level of “a document such and such, then compiled by such and such.”

[nik-karata]

The guarantor is late! He has already repented! Only a mean man’s tear did not drop ... DB

[NKVD]

The guarantor now reads Solzhenitsyn and recommends this to children.

[kig]

The guarantor is in the know.

From Wikipedia:
The official position of the Russian authorities

Vladimir Putin, in the status of president and prime minister of Russia, made statements several times condemning the Katyn shooting as a crime of the Stalin regime, while at the same time expressing a “personal opinion” that the shooting was Stalin’s revenge for the defeat in the Soviet-Polish war (1920 ), in which he personally took part as a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Southwestern Front [99]. Similar statements were made by President D. A. Medvedev, calling for further investigation and emphasizing the invariability of the Russian position [100], April 18-19, 2010.

On April 28, 2010, at the request of D. A. Medvedev, the documents of “Package No. 1” were officially published on the website of the Federal Archives [101] [102]. Gradual work is underway to declassify and transfer the criminal case materials to the Polish side; as of 2011, 35 of the 183 volumes of the criminal case, as well as the text of the decision of the Main Military Prosecutor's Office to close the criminal case in 2004, remained classified [103]. In a statement to the Polish media, Medvedev also condemned attempts to cast doubt on the documents of the “special folder” [104]:

“Attempts to question these documents, to say that someone had falsified them, is simply not serious. This is done by those who are trying to whitewash the nature of the regime that Stalin created during a certain period in our country. ”

On November 26, 2010, the Russian State Duma, with opposition from the Communist Party faction [14], adopted a statement “On the Katyn tragedy and its victims,” which recognizes the shooting of Katyn as a crime committed by direct order of Stalin and other Soviet leaders and expresses sympathy for the Polish people [ 105]:

In 2011, Russian officials announced their readiness to consider the rehabilitation of victims of execution

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: kig

the execution was Stalin's revenge for defeat in the Soviet-Polish war (1920), in which he personally participated as a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the South-Western Front

Well, how vindictive and vindictive it is to be in order to warm up your revenge with a pen for 19 years, and then again! and take revenge! What nonsense! Not yours, dear kigand Wikipedia .... In addition, in May of the 41st "killed in the 39th" Poles, local residents saw road repairs. And the very location of the mass graves - in the recreation area, almost on the territory of the NKVD sanatorium - well, it’s not the boobies in the NKVD who were sitting to arrange mass executions where their families are resting. In addition, locals walked quietly through the grave territory before the war, picking berries and mushrooms. With the arrival of the Germans, the territory was fenced, penetration into the prohibition = shooting on the spot .... The book I mentioned above contains (and in some detail) archival documents about this ....
Not for nothing that Solovyov once sent Boris Borisovich Nadezhdin Wikipedia to read. To learn history on Wikipedia is the same as according to B. Akunin’s novels ....

[Gamer]

this is

locals saw road repairs.

the same thing that we saw in the Donbas as a Malaysian Boeing, a Ukrainian fighter flew, it doesn’t work in a decent society

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Gamer

the same thing that we saw in the Donbas as a Malaysian Boeing, a Ukrainian fighter flew, it doesn’t work in a decent society

"Local grandfather Opanas saw" and in fact, in a decent society does not fail. And official documents from the archives? And the testimonies of GERMAN experts? And the results of the autopsy of the graves, inaccurately published by the Germans themselves? Does it in a decent society channel? Well, I can’t refer in every comment to the book that I mentioned in the first ..... It’s useless to argue - if interested, read it. Although "bukoff a lot" ( ) more than a thousand pages. But the scope of the research, the mass of the above documents is fascinating.

[Gamer]

two books must be read in parallel, one for version No. 1, the other for version No. 2, and you know how it is now, you’ll read a thousand pages and a cunning troll will crawl out in the comments, poke your finger in the paragraph - “but here it’s not true” and the whole structure collapses like a house of cards). Example Rezun-Suvorov, read, outraged, believed, but it won’t turn around)

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Gamer

two books must be read in parallel, one for version No. 1, the other for version No. 2, and you know how it is now, you’ll read a thousand pages and a cunning troll will crawl out in the comments, poke your finger in the paragraph - “but here it’s not true” and the whole structure collapses like a house of cards). Example Rezun-Suvorov, read, outraged, believed, but it won’t turn around)

I'm not saying that I read a book, everything is written there, this is the ultimate truth, and everything else is a lie. I read a lot of things on this issue, and I recommend this book EXACTLY because it most fully and somehow systematically sets out what I read before. In other words, if someone wants to understand the essence of the issue, but two hundred books are too lazy to read, then, in my opinion, it is worth reading ETH. Just because the author does not rush into chauvinism, but simply cites documents very extensively and comments on them relatively briefly. By the way, if someone wants to draw conclusions based on the documents presented, then the author, in general, is not particularly against ... But the documentary material there is powerful and unambiguous. And not only ours and not only German ....
Speaking of Rezun ... I never believed defectors at all. The first book read was The Last Republic. There were no surprises from the very beginning ...

[Gamer]

in my opinion, it is worth reading this

You have so advertised that it is a sin not to read, https://paraknig.com/view/177007))

Speaking of Rezun ...

there is such a Mark Solonin, no one can deny that

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Gamer

there is such a Mark Solonin, no one can deny that

This is for psychiatrists .... Although the disease is clearly neglected ....

[Gamer]

tada links to the studio

[stalkerwalker]

Medical opinion and tests?
"... Died - so died ....."

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Gamer

there is such a Mark Solonin, no one can deny that

I will certainly get acquainted. So far I have read only a biography - it feels like a historian is a skilled .....

Born on May 29, 1958 in the city of Kuibyshev (now the city of Samara). In 1975, after graduating from high school with a gold medal, he entered Kuibyshev Aviation Institute them. S.P. Koroleva. After the institute he worked as a designer in a closed design bureau. Since the summer of 1987 -coal fire boiler stoker, organizer of the first socio-political clubs in Kuibyshev. In August 1991, he was among the active advocates of never-born Russian democracy.
Since the mid 80-ies working on the theme of the history of the Second World War. The first newspaper publications (not counting "samizdat") on the topic of secret Soviet-German treaties were published in 1988-1989. Work on this book has been going on since 1995, when an information breakthrough in the early 90's made genuine war documents accessible to independent researchers.

And what serious topics does it take !!! I had to sit down with my military and second, building, education, at one time for a dissertation on poetry of the early Germanic Middle Ages. It feels like I would have a no less epic thing .... .
Well, damn it, no matter how fake the historian is, either a physicist, or a mechanic, or some other techie .... Examples are darkness. Well, at least one of the “greats” - Yu. Mukhin — an engineer-metallurgist, A. Fomenko — a mathematician, V. Chudinov — a physicist ... As in prison, “you are standing, and I am lying. And together we are sitting.” So here - physicists, chemists, metallurgists, and together - HISTORIANS, damn it ...

[Gamer]

it means historians who, by training historians, have discredited themselves, people don’t believe them, and that they reach for the above-mentioned self-taught historians with trembling minds and trembling hands, believe or not believe, it doesn’t matter, the main thing is THINKs, compares and argues on forums)) )
P.S. Komunyaki nonsense

I had to with my military and second, construction, education, at one time for my dissertation

nobody will read the dissertation, but memoirs (like http://www.osobgour.narod.ru) about service on the corresponding memorial sites are always interesting, write)))

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Gamer

memoirs about the service on the corresponding memorial sites are always interesting, write

Well, firstly, I'm not a writer ... Despite my age, I still shoot better than I write. And secondly, I have given too many non-disclosure subscriptions in my life to write memoirs ... Chemists, physicists, metallurgists, for me, are making military history of the last 25 years of the Soviet Union ....

[Olgovich]

A mystery covered in darkness.

[venaya]

For whom is darkness? Any normal person will be able to find the appropriate material and independently draw completely sober conclusions, without clues. There is nothing complicated about it. Who wants to find everything, who does not want to just do not need it, but most likely not profitable.

[Olgovich]

Quote: venaya

appropriate material

Relevant is only a decision of the judiciary based on a formal investigation. Where are they?
Everything else is the chatter of opponents.

[murriou]

Quote: Olgovich

it is only a judicial decision based on a formal investigation. Where are they?

In Soviet times, secret for you personally

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Olgovich

A mystery covered in darkness.

This is no longer a secret. What is surprising is that when Grover Ferr spoke about this, VO responded to this, and when more than 20 years ago Yu.I. Mukhin spoke about this in his Katyn Detective and Anti-Russian Meanness, everyone was silent about this. Although ... there is nothing surprising - because, as you know, there are no prophets in their own country.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

when more than 20 years ago, Yu.I. Mukhin spoke about this in his “Katyn Detective” and “Anti-Russian Meanness”

Critic genetics apologist T. D. Lysenko and his Michurin agrobiology- Is it authority for you?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Olgovich

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

when more than 20 years ago, Yu.I. Mukhin spoke about this in his “Katyn Detective” and “Anti-Russian Meanness”

Critic genetics apologist T. D. Lysenko and his Michurin agrobiology- Is it authority for you?

Olgovich, you surprise me. For me, the authority is one who does something, not chats. At that particular historical moment, T.D.Lasenko gives the country a concrete positive result from his activities. And what did the Vavilov give to the country, rushing with the ideas of Morgan and Weisman as with a tambourine? But this is a word. And on the merits of the question - in your opinion, if a person is not right in any question, then in all other questions he will also be a priori wrong?

[murriou]

Quote: Olgovich

A mystery covered in darkness.

It’s only for the anti-Soviet that any truth that destroys their tenderly smoothed mythology is covered in the darkness of mystery.

[novel66]

tell the Poles this, there will be "a central one, the Order of Lenin, the crap pipeline of Lenin" in the sense of going to this product

[antivirus]

they hate birch trees. and you tell me ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

You might think they began to love us more. They even manage to speculate on a plane crash

[novel66]

Poles and love ?? only for money!!!

[Old military officer]

As you know, the truth sooner or later comes to light. But the reaction of those who were profitable to blame the Russians from our home-grown libero - shit, will be extremely interesting. Here the howl will rise at all levels. So think and reflect, citizens.

[Banishing liberoids]

Now Poland will declare this professor a Russian megashpion, our liberals will howl, ukrointsy jump even more - in short, the universal srach will begin! !!!

[Puss in Boots]

actually - nothing will change

[romandostalo]

our liberals will howl

Let them howl, the more they howl, the worse it is, the constant howl annoys no worse than a punch!

[kig]

But what about the published documents?

[neri73-r]

Fake! Yakovlev and the company in the late 80s and early 90s did a lot of them by order of the West!

[romandostalo]

And rude. A document from 1969 on the alleged decision and the inscription below Stalin without a date, without a signature, without anything. I can build on the same form an order to execute Gorbachev as a future traitor!

[Same lech]

I can build on the same form an order to execute Gorbachev as a future traitor!

And can I put my signature on it.

[andrew42]

In this case, shooting is too much honor. At all times, the classic lot of Judah is a loop.

[demo]

Who cares, you can read here
http://katyn.ru/index.php?go=Pages&file=print
& id = 942

All the absurdities of these “documents” are considered by a serious specialist with appropriate support and clarifications.

[zivXP]

Wash crap. Not even a signature.

[Herman 4223]

Yes, not just messing up, think for yourself, in the forty-second of the captured Poles, two armies were assembled. More precisely, the Army and the Army Corps, the army was poisoned to fight to the west, and the corps was abandoned in the Soviet Union, and subsequently grew into the first Polish army. For some reason, the Poles who didn’t fall into the territory occupied by the Germans survived and fought, and in the Smolensk region which turned out to be occupied, the Poles were dead, shot from GERMAN pistols. In addition, on the territory of the rest house, which was used as a PIONEER camp in the summer !!!

[To be or not to be]

"" "In 2010, State Duma deputy Viktor Ilyukhin and expert historians Sergei Strygin and Vladislav Shved learned how the falsification of" Beria’s letter No. 794 / B "was prepared in the Politburo of the CPSU (B) of March 1940, in which it was proposed to shoot more than 20 thousand Polish prisoners of war, Ilyukhin announced that in the early 90s one of the senior members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU created a group of high-ranking specialists to falsify archival documents, the name of this senior party member Ilyukhin was later named in the summer of that year - Alexander Yakovlev, “perestroika architect.” The “Yakovlev Group” worked in the structure of the security service of Russian President Boris Yeltsin, locally located in the village of Nagornoye, Moscow Region (until 1996), and then was relocated to another settlement - Zarechye. From there, the Russian archives were Hundreds of false historical documents were thrown in, and the same amount was falsified by introducing into them apparent information, as well as by forging signatures. Ilyukhin demanded to begin large-scale work to verify archival documents and identify facts of discrediting the Soviet period of Russian history. "

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: To be or not to be

Ilyukhin published information that in the early 90s one of the senior members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU created a group of high-ranking specialists for the falsification of archival documents. The name of this high-ranking party member Ilyukhin named later, in the summer of that year, Alexander Yakovlev, "architect of perestroika." The Yakovlev Group worked in the structure of the security service of Russian President Boris Yeltsin, locally located in the village of Nagornoye, Moscow Region (until 1996), and then was relocated to another settlement - Zarechye. Hundreds of false historical documents were thrown into the Russian archives from there, and the same amount was falsified by entering distorted information into them, as well as by forging signatures.

I just can’t understand one thing - what the hell did Yakovlev and Co. need to do? What was their motivation? After all, they could not understand that this is a mine, let down under the country ......

[To be or not to be]

Yes, and everything is simple
1. Show the barbarians the Stalinist leadership. Who survived the war against world fascism and rebuilt the country after this brutal war in a short time
2. Defame the CPSU as the leading and directing force of Soviet society
3. Do not give normal relations with Europe. The cause of the United States. And for the sake of their foreign uncles

[Reinhard]

Yakovlev and KO just fulfilled the ORDER. Poland really then wanted to withdraw from the Warsaw Pact. And other reasons are similar.

[Herman 4223]

This scum who destroyed the country, they do not care about it.

[murriou]

Quote: stalkerwalker

What the hell did Yakovlev and Co. do? What was their motivation? After all, they could not understand that this is a mine, let down under the country ......

What motivation can traitors have? The most common for them. K.O.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: murriou

What motivation can traitors have? The most common for them. K.O.

It’s a painfully simplified version ..... This is not a junkie who kills everyone he meets in a dose ...
For this, a whole group of people gathered who did not work underground, not in a regime of secrecy. People were sovereigns. Surely funding came from there. Traces and ends could not help but remain.

[kirieeleyson]

Not surprised , I can do that too.

[Same lech]

Famously done and fast

[ohtandur]

the best answer to any fake! thank

[Slon_on]

Class! Are there any Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich?

[kirieeleyson]

Yes please. Secrets to me too.

[stoker]

Quote: kig

But what about the published documents?

Take a look at the “document” and the dates in it.
The first one. The "cap" of the document.
“The All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks). CENTRAL COMMITTEE »
Date: 27 February 1959 city
But in 1959, no VKP (b) existed. Since 1952, it has been called the "Communist Party of the Soviet Union." Therefore, in 1959 they could not compile any official document on such a form. Especially the "Top Secret".
We look further. It turns out it's kind "Extract ..." from another "document" -
"Protocol N13" from unknown date 193 ... it is not known what year.
And 193 ... done typographic(!) way.

Those. it turns out that the Strictly Secret Statement of 1959 was carried out on the form of the 1930s.
Look at the right side above the heading of this form.
(Post. PB Central Committee dated 5.V.1927 ...).
Oh how! It turns out that in 1959 the workflow in the Central Committee of the CPSU, strictly secret (!), Was determined by a resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) 32 years ago.
Several decades passed, industrialization, war, the nuclear and missile age in the yard, mass television and the first computers, the party was reorganized several times, changed namePolitburo ceased to exist, and the document flow of the most secret institution in the USSR, the Secretariat of the CPSU Central Committee, it turns out, was based on the Resolution of a non-existent body of a non-existent party.
I emphasize once again - work Khrushchev The Central Committee in the 60s was supposedly based on Stalin decrees of 32 years ago! Yes, it's not even funny ...
Let's go back to the “document”. It is compiled for "comrade Shelepin. " Where is the mark "comrade Shelepin, "that he got acquainted with him, the date and his signature? The document is "Top Secret." This means that "comrade Shelepin ”did not read it. For some reason. Consequently, the document was to be returned to the Special Sector of the Central Committee, where it was produced, and DESTROYED as not needed. But he survived. "Miraculously".
By the way, where is the original of the document from which this “Extract” was made? “Wonderfully” not preserved?
The stupidity of the scammers who made this fake is striking. But even greater surprise is caused by people who read it and do not see the obvious.
It is enough to read carefully at least paragraph 3 of this “Statement”. To entrust the consideration of cases to the “troika” ... “to the triple, Karl !!!”. 25 thousand 700 cases. You have to be an idiot to write this.
But there were no idiots in the Politburo. cannot build a great country.
The idiots were Yakovlev and his lackeys who joked in the archives in the late 80s.
Gorbachev can still be asked where such documents came from. Although this dunce might not know.

[murriou]

Quote: stoker

The idiots were Yakovlev and his lackeys who joked in the archives in the late 80s.

No. Not idiots, alas, but quite reasonable bastards who created fakes for idiots.

Because it’s difficult and practically impossible to deceive rational people, but there are always too few rational people, and it’s easier for them to shut their mouth with brute force than to seriously deceive.

And a herd of illiterate fools is managed quite easily, you see - and in this forum, supposedly specialized and for experts, only a few tried to think about materials on the topic - and most of all, ahem, "olgovichs" and other "lieutenants" will, like parrots, doldon their usual mantras about the bloody regime.

[your1970]

I emphasize once again - the work of the Khrushchev Central Committee in the 60s allegedly was based on Stalin's decrees of 32 years ago! Yes, it's not even funny ...-There may be nuances. For example, by the order of the chief communications engineer of the Republic of Armenia in 1998, a lot of property was written off (without the need to write off in separate acts, just by order). The first item was - "Two-wheeled trolley on a bicycle to transport carrier pigeons" adopted for service in 1926 (!!!!!!). Somewhere, these carts passed according to the accounts and were written off with a whole bunch of them ..
The order of the USSR Ministry of Defense on the conduct of military economy was in force in 1998; it may still not be canceled ...
Until now, there are several orders of the USSR (Customs Committee of the USSR) regarding customs regulation, there are few of them - but they exist and cannot be canceled.
So, I wouldn’t particularly emphasize on the fact that “long ago and out of date” in relation to regulatory documents of the USSR

[Basil50]

The fact that Katyn is one of the many places where the Germans shot people was known since 1941. The Germans, together with the Polish * government in exile *, which was in London, carried out a joint operation to shift the blame from themselves, too much then baked. The British were aware that the Poles carried out a joint operation with the Germans to discredit the Soviet Union.
The International Commission for the Investigation of Crimes Committed by the Germans prepared documents for the international tribunal in Katyn and in many other * episodes *. In Nuremberg, the Nazis and their accomplices were convicted of war crimes, including for executions in Katyn, where the KRASNO ARMEYS and those Poles who were waiting for the Germans in the camps were shot.
What then, what today, the Poles are well aware of who and when they shot the former Polish soldiers who refused to evacuate, in the hope of serving the Germans.

[Evgenijus]

Well done, Zyuganov praise!
In gratitude, he will put him as a sentry for half an hour with the mummy of the leader. Glorify ...
Prepare a hole in a jacket, medals already on the conveyor, you will receive not the last number.

[nizhegorodec]

Quote: Evgenijus

In gratitude, he will set the sentries for half an hour at the leader's mummy. Become famous

[Monarchist]

Vasily 50, you are an adult, and you believe in fairy tales: in 1941 Himmler, Heydrich, even Canaris believed in victory and therefore would not contact the “dead”, and for them all these “governments in exile” were dead.
Regarding the Nuremberg trials: an international tribunal rejected the involvement of the Germans in the Katyn drama. This was written back in the sixties in the Soviet Union (read in magazines)

[Basil50]

* Bunch * of commentators no more than * bunch *. Read the documents themselves, they are not secret. So much speculation in the Katyn case only because this shooting allowed the Poles to deny the * government’s cooperation in exile * and much more, including the fact that Anders’s army fled to Iran, and more than the * strange * AK actions. It seems like the fact that the Poles did not fight the Germans for a reason, but for * reason *.
About Katyn and about Minsk and about Babi Yar and for many other equally bloody events, a separate Nuremberg tribunal was not held. These events, like many other things mentioned.
By the way, at the place of execution until June 22, 1941, there were pioneer camps and a large recreation area. The exhumation of the Red Army and the Poles was carried out at the location of the pioneer camp.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Monarchist

Regarding the Nuremberg trials: an international tribunal rejected the involvement of the Germans in the Katyn drama. This was written back in the sixties in the Soviet Union (read in magazines)
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You would be better off reading the materials of the Nuremberg Tribunal, and not some "magazines"

[romandostalo]

There is no prophet in his own country! How many years ago Mukhin’s book about Katyn was published, and then what a discovery is needed, it turns out the Germans did it!

[Evgenijus]

I do not see the signature of the author of the publication. This has already said a lot. I think. that the tail of it stretches from the Communist Party (CPSU).
There are so many publications about "our honest home party" ...
Yes, these grants from behind the hillock are now gone. All to the meeting of the Great October Revolution. Do not sleep, "comrades." watch out well ...

[sergo1914]

Where did you find the Communists here? Go, sick, take the decommunizer pill. Spring. pancake,...
A saucepan on the head and collective jumps no longer help.

[Mountain shooter]

Unfortunately, no one needs this truth. Poles with such passion are looking for traces of explosives in a plane that crashed on a tree, which they will definitely FIND. Even the dead were unearthed for some reason. About “Volyn” have already come up with the idea that these were the dressed up NKVD detachments, playing the role of Bandera.
And Katyn is the main proof for them! To stop believing in it is how to stop believing in Jesus. It's just a brain death

[Monster_Fat]

The "dead" were "excavated", as I have already written here several times, according to "verified" information from the Poles that many victims of the disaster actually survived and were finished off by Russian special forces, who had been at the scene of the disaster long before and had been ambushed . The Poles allegedly have "confirmed" interceptions of the radio and telephone exchanges of these "commandos." By the way, these are the negotiations that were allegedly conducted before, during and after the disaster and do not allow the pshaks to calm down ... In addition, the Poles allegedly have information that they tried to cash out bank cards from the crash site in the nearest banks after a very short period of time after the disaster, that is, they suggest that the persons who seized these cards from the victims were already in place in advance, supposedly expecting something ...

[Reinhard]

ATMs were delivered and installed in 10 days.

[tolyasik0577]

Lyakhs adhere to philosophical doctrine - if you think for a long time - thoughts materialize. So the whole country is thinking about the presence of explosives in an airplane. You look and materializes. Ukrainians also did not go far, they suggested that the whole outskirts think that the heart would stop at VV. But ... either they think badly or someone is hacking.

[Krasnoyarsk]

By the way, Grover Ferr has one book, it seems - "Fraudulent Stalin." Read who bit by bit collects information about this person. Recommend.

[Summit]

Polish prisoners of war were shot by ours, it’s a fact. The Polish army in the 30s, its command structure was reconnaissance network - there was an organization, I don’t remember the name, can someone tell me what a beautiful thing it is, deviation-disruptive in the sense of propaganda of work on the territory of the USSR ethnic hatred, by religion, well, everything that Brzezinski’s now is sabotage, disruption of orders at factories, and anything else is his brainchild, these guys studied in Germany and the organization was funded by the Polish government. Our intelligence worked well and the information went to the table to Stalin regularly. And since this organization consisted of the majority of the commanders of the Polish army of all stripes, it is not surprising that after capturing them by the Soviet troops they were all prescribed a lead pill in the back of the head, there was no point in putting such people in camps, they would have created a hotbed there anti-Soviet propaganda and much worse. Russian shot the Poles, but should we repent for it?

[Herman 4223]

And from what officers did the two Polish armies assemble then?

[Summit]

Which of the officers was the army?

[Herman 4223]

Without a trained commanders, even a regiment cannot be blinded. The army poisoned to the west numbered 70.

[Summit]

Duck, who then lies near Katyn? -All the same screaming that there Polish officers were shot? Or are they not Polish or officers anymore?

[Herman 4223]

The officers are lying, Polish, distraught. Those who were in the Smolensk region died, those who were further all remained alive.

[zoolu300]

You have pulled one way now. The category of Poles you indicated was actually shot, but not in Katyn and in compliance with all procedural measures laid down by Soviet legislation (sentence, Nagan revolver, in anonymized form and a tag after the event with your thumb), but the rest was put by the Germans (those who stupidity did not leave the camps).

[Evgenijus]

Summit By the way, for some reason I agree with your version. NKVD start shooting, the Germans finished.
There is no point in arguing about the percentage of people shot (who shot more), all these are military crimes.

[zoolu300]

How does it make no sense to argue? The part of the Poles that the NKVD bodies eliminated (for the destruction of our prisoners in Polish camps and anti-Soviet activities in the 20s and 30s) cannot be called crimes, because everything was within the framework of Soviet legislation, but the Germans did not bother with this.

[Summit]

Everything can be, generally hard, so here are some conclusions to do. Upstairs, yes, even the Germans go and know more .. Here they would ask but I think that until the end we all will not know who and from whose hand fell into these holes ...

[murriou]

Quote: Evgenijus

for some reason I agree with your version

And I even know why - because for the anti-Soviet everything that is against the USSR is dear and dear

Quote: Evgenijus

The NKVD began shooting, the Germans finished.

One anti-adviser said, assenting to another, with a smart look and absolute confidence, despite complete lack of information. What a familiar picture

But nothing like that since September 1939. until the summer of 1941. almost 2 years have passed? Permanent execution, yeah
Is it not so that during these years the "shot" Poles completely paved roads for themselves in the Smolensk region?
Nothing so that at the place of execution GERMAN cartridges of production were found just in 1941?

But you are all God's dew, dirty tricks.

[Evgenijus]

murriou:

because for the anti-Soviet

But you are right - I'm definitely an anti-Soviet! As it did not come to me before ...
You put it interestingly about awareness (about someone else's, of course). Maybe in the NKVD serve? Like, sex? And my computer is not a secret for you? It is necessary to attract Kaspersky for the protection ...

[Summit]

I think Poles were put there, and those and others, now what .... Politicians and propagandists are doing their job and those who are powdery die are dying ...

[Monarchist]

Gipfel, are you talking about Defensive?
I must make a remark to you: counterintelligence, Defensive and there was counterintelligence, not a political party, to be a mass party. This is the same as declaring: 2/3 of the Red Army commanders were in SMERSH

[Summit]

I don’t remember exactly the name, but it doesn’t seem like there was a large organization, its members studied in Germany. Well, of course, not everyone needs to be dipped directly into one lake, but there were enough enemies .. I don’t think that the NKVD officer would dress with a Pole, and even the one who knew about the Russian captivity in Poland in 20 years and what they did with ours there. I’m taking a pill to the back of the head and that’s all .. Yes, and the order is the order ..

[YUG64]

You, my dear Gipfel, are not even aware that almost all of the shot officers were not military personnel, but reservists, people of peaceful professions ... It is clear that you don’t know anything about the Katyn tragedy ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Gipfel

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Gipfel Yesterday, 08:22
Polish prisoners of war were shot by ours is a fact

Well, of course = - yours, who argues with this? And the order was given from Berlin.

[RomanRVV]

"Defensive" was called the organization.

[nizhegorodec]

"What was required to prove" again

[Farid05]

It looks like delirium of revisionism. Stupid article, we admitted and apologized, and rightly so. We will also put a monument in the same place by the Poles shot by our prisoners - which is also very right, because only the sins see our sins, and they build saints from themselves.

[Herman 4223]

We have nothing to admit, stupidity is your words.

[aszzz888]

... Psheks, Au-oooo! or is that not enough for you?

[murriou]

to pshek and other anti-advisers, incl. to our own pseudo-patriotic crystal bakers, even if the number on the head is “they will not notice”

[aleksandrs95]

In the Soviet years, there was a witness. AFFIRMING THAT IN THE FOREST AT THE TIME OF FINDING THE POLES, the Germans ruled over. They didn’t have time to evacuate, it’s a pity that she died a little later. But in those years there could be no political coloring, if necessary, they could be shot. Although such a scenario is very unlikely, such a number of bodies. It’s not easy to dig in when time is very short. And the Germans did not find fraternal pits very soon. Which is very, very strange and implausible. If you do not consider the version that they were interested and needed.

[aleksandrs95]

In general, it would be time for a strong historian, Alexander Dyukov, to take on this murky business. They took both forensic experts and other experts to help. So the Germans were involved there without a doubt, but our role is not completely clear.

[Engineer]

I agree with you, only Dukov will not find any orders, and you won’t check the testimonies of the people of those years.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: aleksandrs95

In general, it would be time for a strong historian, Alexander Dyukov, to take on this murky business. They took both forensic experts and other experts to help. So the Germans were involved there without a doubt, but our role is not completely clear.

Do you have a little Burdenko commission?

[Stas157]

I personally for a long time made up an opinion for myself that the captured Poles were shot by the Germans. This is evidenced by rather serious arguments. I have already spoken out on this subject, so I would like to give excerpts:

It is significant that the Poles were shot by German bullets from German weapons. This is an established fact. So Stalin is not the kind of person to conceal his atrocities in a petty way! This is not DAM, after all. Then, assuming that indeed, Stalin decided to shoot the Poles with German bullets in order to present this as a German crime, then it was necessary to know in advance that the Germans would capture Smolensk, that is, ADVANCE had to be ready to give this territory to the enemy! It is impossible to imagine even such a thing. And finally, the burial of the Poles was "found" by the Germans. And the Germans raised this question. And we know what the Nazis had Goebels propaganda. When the territory was liberated from the Germans, the Soviet commission worked there, and it gave a true conclusion about what really happened.

[Summit]

It’s difficult to distinguish directly from German weapons with German bullets? -7.62 from hole 7.92, the bullet itself is another matter, but it doesn’t solve anything in general, both of them can use each other’s weapons. This proves nothing and doesn’t explain anything ...

[zoolu300]

Bullets experts distinguish flying. And the bullets are just German, like the ropes and knots.

[Summit]

I don’t know about the nodes, to be honest, neither about the bullets; these are all rumors at the media level. Maybe yes maybe no. For us, the president would just as well not repent, forgiveness for this act, but he did it ... But did it have to be done?
But knots, ropes, bullets can all be connected, you can press the trigger and buy ropes with both Russian and German hands the same way ...

[zoolu300]

No, really. Bullets and ropes are just important, because such a serious organization as the NKVD (led by Comrade Beria himself!) Would not change the process established by Orders and Orders because of some Poles.

[Summit]

So the President didn’t have to repent of the sin that we didn’t commit ... Yes, and in any case, I don’t think it was necessary ... Poland is our historical enemy number one — a arrogantly arrogant nation that has repeatedly flirted with a superpower and into politics ... Pisludsky, huh? I tried there, they had territorial claims in 30 years to all the countries that border it at that time - from Germany, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic countries and Russia, where would it be without her. And they carried out subversive activities on our territory not without the support of the Polish government. The Germans should not have been told, Dogs As the American writer, Hebrew, should not have written a book about the need to castrate all Germans and sterilize all German women, and if every Jewish doctor will do 25 operations a day, then after all 3 months, in my opinion, all Germans will not be able to have offspring-Hitler found out about the book, he was not a little surprised and gave the order to read this book on the radio around the clock. Well, the Germans listened, they were also surprised not a little, they were indignant, but I think you know the consequences-One higher race drowned the stoves of the other higher rassoy
For it is said in the Talmud, a goy woman (that is, you can have a Jew from three years old) -if a Jew wants to do evil, let him go to an unfamiliar city and do evil there, We are the highest race, all who are not Jewish-Goy- are like a pig .. .

[kirieeleyson]

Quote: Gipfel

I don’t know about the nodes, to be honest, neither about the bullets; these are all rumors at the media level.

So you do not know or know and write that these are rumors?
There are specific facts of ballistic examinations from documents transferred from the archive to the Polish side. These documents are made public. And ropes and bullets and traces of ammunition - there are even traces of German cigarettes, buttons, etc. There are eyewitness accounts of witnesses, there is a conclusion of the Polish commission after the war, the results of the exhumation of bodies are even there. These are all documents that the Polish side "does not see point blank." Why should they prove anything if they intentionally "cook up" the accusations based on Matserevich’s populist statements?

[Summit]

Well then, our president didn’t have to fill his forehead in bows and tear his rags in his wailing at the murdered Poles. And I agree, they don’t have to prove anything at all in any case. Even if we did it. They don’t sprinkle ash on their heads, what they did during the intervention and what they did to our prisoners near Warsaw.

[tatra]

Just as Hitler slandered the Communists to justify the attack on the USSR and the Soviet people, so do the enemies of the Communists on the territory of the USSR, starting with their “Liberator” Gorbachev, slander of the Soviet Communists, the only justification they have for destroying the USSR and creating on the territory of the USSR only beneficial them systems to the detriment of the country and people.
ALL the facts that they, with their cheap pathos, hypocritical “humanity” and “righteous anger”, stand for “crimes of communism” —this is lies, slander, double standards, justification of crimes of external and internal enemies of Soviet Russia / USSR, of the Soviet people.
There are no exceptions.

[Engineer]

What kind of such documents on execution are in the library of the Congress of USA? After the war in Germany, no documents were found at least somehow related to this case. We have in the archive of the former NKVD two sheets: the report to Stalin on options for resolving the issue of prisoners of war and the report to Khrushchev, which many experts call fake because of mistakes in the names of departments and the style of writing. There are no orders for executions and close. So what documents can there be in the library of the Congress of USA ?!

[Summit]

In the US Congress, they themselves write such documents themselves and put them on display. You may not respond to such information at all.

[Monarchist]

Engineer, you asked the question: “what kind of documents can there be in the library of the Congress of USA”, but I will make an assumption: Ferr did not find any documents there, but simply read what was written before and passed off as his own.
It sounds hypothetically a "library of Congress", and everything can be stored there.
I once read in the newspaper Beyond Boundary: one journalist found Kerensky, a half-old man by that time, she decided to fix Kerensky’s financial situation and sold Kerensky’s “secret” archive to the “library of Congress”. The archive was from a pile of old letters and photographs (half of the materials were given by the heirs of the emigrants) that these papers will be secret, but it sounds "Kerensky's secret archive!"

[tatra]

No matter how much you, the enemies of the Communists, starting with your “Liberator” Gorbachev, lick your asses to Russophobia Poles or rush to defend them with their “breasts”, they won’t appreciate it, they’re even more mad about Russia.

[Reinhard]

Something like - "Solzhenitsyn used the KGB archives. Which were provided to him in the library by the US Congress ...."

[Monster_Fat]

No-no-no-this is the work of Muscovites- "stood on that, stands and will stand" the Polish land ". "Katyn execution" is the foundation of all of Poland’s policy towards Russia, it is the foundation of all relations between Poles and Russians. This is generally the foundation of all of Poland as a “resentful” state. If you destroy this "foundation", you will destroy the whole of Poland in general (I’m not joking, it’s really so, the whole modern political system in Poland will collapse). Therefore, the Poles will never recognize any facts justifying Russia and, even more so, denigrating their new German owners. NEVER RECOGNIZE! Despite any evidence!

[tatra]

The enemies of the Communists on the territory of the USSR and in Eastern Europe have proved that for the sake of profit for their vile purposes, they always justify or "not notice" the crimes of the external and internal enemies of their country and people.
Just as the enemies of the Communists in the USSR justify or "do not notice" the crimes of the interventionists, Nazis and their collaborators, collaborators from among the citizens of Russia and the USSR, so the Polish enemies of the Communists, for the benefit of their anti-Soviet / Russophobia, "forgot" Ukrainian crimes for a long time nationalists who destroyed tens of thousands of peaceful Poles in the Volyn massacre have only recently been "remembered," and, as is customary among the enemies of the Communists, have again blamed the Communists and the Russians.

[Summit]

I agree, I think that you are right 200 percent ...

[Monarchist]

Teddy bear is a “labeled” adult child: he was glad that if he yielded to the West in a couple of “little things”, everyone would be happy and went and went.
In this case, I have a question: if the "tagged" is not entirely adequate, why were the Communists silent? Well then they were afraid, and why, after the collapse of the USSR, neither Falin nor anyone else said: "Comrades, what M.S.Pro Katyn-nonsense said, the NKVD did not shoot the Poles and all the facts were rigged," Papa Zyu is also silent.
As a child, I had a neighbor, a front-line soldier, and he always shouted like a drink: "The real Bolsheviks at the front were killed, and these are traitors," can he be right?

[nivander]

the camps of captured Polish officers were located along the route under construction in Moscow Minsk and the army was working out with shock work all the crimes of Pansky Poland before the USSR. When the front approached, the question arose about their evacuation, and then the Poles rioted broke up camp captors took apart the documents they hung on themselves orders and ribbons and they began to wait for the liberators --- they waited. There is one point that the Poles are jamming in every way. The camp in Liozno was evacuated despite protests and riots, and officers from this camp reported to Anders about the state of affairs, but this cast doubt on the whole theory. Therefore, Anders did all so that prisoners from Liozno did not get into his army (declared traitors). The poor fellows had to go to Burling's army

[3vs]

It is necessary for the Psheks to convey this, let Four Tankers and the Dog review more often ...

[Berkut24]

And what will Matserevich say to the Americans about this?

[Monarchist]

Quote: The same Lech

I can build on the same form an order to execute Gorbachev as a future traitor!

And can I put my signature on it.

I am against: first of all, I need to hang the "Bialowieza troika" on a Christmas tree

[Monarchist]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

By the way, Grover Ferr has one book, it seems - "Fraudulent Stalin." Read who bit by bit collects information about this person. Recommend.

Petty Officer, I already know that the professor knows that Khrushchev is a nonsense

[Vitalson]

In 1944, the Burdenko Commission already proved this. Nevertheless, it is pleasant that confirmation of these facts came from abroad.

[Vitalson]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

By the way, Grover Ferr has one book, it seems - "Fraudulent Stalin." Read who bit by bit collects information about this person. Recommend.

And Vladimir Uspensky also has a book, "The Privy Advisor to the Leader," which is also about Stalin and is very interesting. He tells not only about the life of this person, but also about the life of the country in his era.

[Vitalson]

Quote: Monarchist

Vasily 50, you are an adult, and you believe in fairy tales: in 1941 Himmler, Heydrich, even Canaris believed in victory and therefore would not contact the “dead”, and for them all these “governments in exile” were dead.
Regarding the Nuremberg trials: an international tribunal rejected the involvement of the Germans in the Katyn drama. This was written back in the sixties in the Soviet Union (read in magazines)

That's the thing that was written in the 60s when Khrushch spread anti-Stalin hysteria throughout the country. Can you still believe Gorbachev's repentance?

[RAA]

The Stalinists, as always, wishful thinking is valid and they don’t give a damn about the facts!

[murriou]

Do you, as a typical anti-Soviet hobbyist, fundamentally don’t look in mirrors? Or are you not reflected in them?

[Saints]

Too bad Putin just said something else. Will not take back words.

[kig]

Quote: Zoldat_A

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But did Putin make statements? And not for Vicki.

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Katyn evidence. prof. Frantisek Nuts. July 9, 1945

Read in abbreviation at the meeting

Society of Czech Doctors in Prague July 9, 1945

(published by this Society in April 1946)

From the translator, the Translator tried to make a Russian translation, which would correspond as much as possible to the original both in content and in vocabulary, which sometimes is to the detriment of the Russian language. It was not always possible to strictly observe the vocabulary of individual sentences, but such cases are not decisive. The semantic and temporal relationships are observed in all cases. The translator could make a mistake when translating medical terms, which will be further clarified.

The text of the translation is provided with translator's remarks indicated in Arabic numerals with end-to-end numbering (for example: “Pulman 10”). These comments are an integral part of the translation, therefore it is strongly recommended that you pay attention to these comments at the end of the text of the translation. At the end of each comment, a page is indicated in square brackets on which you can find the original expression.

Random text and typos are possible in the text of the translation. Comments and suggestions can be sent to arrow-infoKnewmail.ru. As well as asking clarifying questions.

The translator sincerely thanks the participants of the project “Truth about Katyn” and the participants of the forum of this project on the site www.katyn.ru for selfless help in preparing the Russian translation for publication.

The translation into Russian from the Czech original by 12.12.2006 was made by ARROW.

Katyn case

I.

In the first half of April 1943, the daily press reported that in the forest near Katyn in the Smolensk region of the USSR, mass graves of executed Polish officers were discovered, and their total number was indicated - up to 12000.

At the end of April 1943, the Ministry of the Interior notified me that, in accordance with the order of the imperial protector, I must leave for Berlin and, together with members of the commission of professors of forensic medicine from representatives of different nations, participate in the inspection of the graves found.

This mission was extremely unpleasant to me.

I knew that I would not have the opportunity to express my own point of view and that I would be forced to sign everything that was offered to me. The Germans could not be interested in anything other than propaganda. It was inconceivable that the Germans, who declared that the German race was superior to others, that their culture was supreme, that they were not only empowered, but also obligated to dominate other nations, wanted to get any kind of conclusion from such insignificants like me. Their conscience was undoubtedly unclean. In addition, I did not want and could not help the Germans prove that the Russians were murderers.

Therefore, I tried to dissuade myself, saying that I was sick, but the Ministry of the Interior answered that in this case they would definitely arrest me and, possibly, even with the whole family, since my excuses would be perceived as sabotaging the order of the Reich Protector.

Then I turned to the leading officials from the Ministry of Education, to whom I was subordinate as a professor at the university, but they consulted and spoke out in the sense that there was no other way but to go.

My friends also advised me to go, hoping to learn the truth about Katyn, and offered to provide their evidence of my actions at the end of the war.

Thus, on April 27, 1943, I went to Berlin, where in the evening all members of the commission gathered at the Adlon Hotel on Unter den Linden Street.

The members of the commission were:

From Belgium: Dr. Speelers, Full-time Professor of Ophthalmology, University of Ghent.

From Bulgaria: Dr. Markov, Associate Professor of Forensic Medicine and Criminology at Sofia University.

From Denmark: Dr. Tramsen, Prosecutor of the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Copenhagen.

From Finland: Dr. Saxen, Full-time Professor of Pathological Medicine, University of Helsinki.

From Italy: Dr. Palmieri, full-time professor of forensic medicine and forensics at the University of Naples.

From Croatia: Dr. Miloslavic, Full-time Professor of Forensic Medicine and Forensics, University of Zagreb.

From Holland: Dr. de Burlet, Full-time Professor of Anatomy at the University of Groningen.

From Romania: Dr. Birkle, Forensic Officer of the Romanian Ministry of Justice and First Assistant, Department of Forensic Medicine and Forensics, University of Bucharest.

From Switzerland: Dr. Naville, Full-time Professor of Forensic Medicine, University of Geneva.

From Slovakia: Dr. Subik, full-time professor of pathological anatomy at the University of Bratislava and head of public health in Slovakia.

From Hungary: Dr. Orsos [1], full-time professor of forensic medicine and forensics at the University of Budapest.

From France: prof. Costedoat from Paris, who, however, stated with certainty that, in accordance with the order of the French government, he acts only as a spectator and that he is not required to participate in any work and sign the protocols.

From Spain: prof. Piga (Piga) from Madrid, who, however, after arriving by plane in Berlin fell ill and was unable to continue on his way.

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On Wednesday morning, April 28, 1943, we flew out of Tempelhof Airport, made an intermediate landing in Warsaw, where there was a two-hour lunch break, then, at 17 p.m., we landed at the Smolensk Airport and were accommodated at the Molokhov Hotel [2].

The next day we took a bus to Katyn Forest, where the head physician, professor of forensic medicine from Wroclaw [3] Dr. Butz, authorized by the German military command to manage the excavations, showed us all the graves, exhumed corpses, documents discovered during them and spent in our presence one autopsy.

Before our appearance, 982 corpses were removed from the graves, 58 of them were opened, the rest were only examined externally.

The next day, i.e. On Friday, April 30, 1943, we performed an autopsy of 9 corpses. We were allowed to choose a corpse from any pit at our discretion, so for me two corpses were lifted from the seventh pit. These corpses did not have insignia on the shoulders of officers, and I thought that we were talking about ordinary soldiers. However, it was found that in some corpses officer insignia were found in the pockets of clothes, so it is possible that these corpses belonged to officers. In the pockets of one of the corpses I found the Russian newspaper Glos [4] dated April 2, 1940. Both of the corpses that I opened had a gunshot wound on the back of the head, which had been inflicted from a short distance. Both had a through wound.

On the same day in the evening, a protocol was compiled, which was formulated by Professor Butz from Wroclaw and Professor Orsos from Budapest, the most important point of which was the conclusion that the corpses of Polish officers remained buried for about 3 years. It followed that they were buried in the spring of 1940, i.e. at a time when there was no German-Russian war and the Germans of Katyn had not yet occupied. Thus, the perpetrators of the crime were the Soviet authorities.

On April 16, 1943, the Soviet authorities rejected the Germans' allegations as a godless lie, and since German reports spoke of the village of Gnezdovo, where there were archaeological sites known as the Gnezdovsky burial ground, they believed that the Germans deliberately kept silent about this fact and used it in propaganda against Soviet Union.

Later, having again captured Katyn, the Russians also sent a commission on September 23, 1943 to study the graves [5], which included:

V. Yu. Prozorovsky, senior expert in forensic medicine and director of the State Research Institute of Forensic Medicine of the USSR People’s Health Commissariat.

Dr. V. M. Smolyaninov, Professor of Forensic Medicine, 2nd Division of the State Medical Institute.

Dr. D.N. Vyropaev, professor of pathological anatomy.

Dr. P.V. Semenovsky, chief scientific associate of the Tanatological Department of the State Research Institute of Forensic Medicine of the USSR People's Commissariat of Health.

Assoc. M. D. Shvaikova, chief researcher at the Department of Forensic Chemistry of the State Research Institute of Forensic Medicine of the USSR People's Commissariat of Health.

Nikolsky, a senior forensic expert on the Western Front, a major in medical services.

Busoedov, captain of the medical service, expert in forensic medicine.

Subbotin, major of the medical service, director of the pathological and anatomical laboratory.

Oglobin, major of the medical service.

Sadykov, senior lieutenant of the medical service.

Pushkareva, senior lieutenant of the medical service.

The chairman of this commission was a member of the Academy of Sciences N. N. Burdenko with his staff.

This commission established that before the occupation of Smolensk and the western regions of the country by German troops, Polish prisoners of war - officers and soldiers - worked on the construction and clearing of roads and that, according to the testimony of the head of the Polish prisoner of war camp, Major Vetoshnikov and engineer Ivanov, these prisoners of war due to the lack of wagons and as a result of other difficulties, they could not be evacuated in time, and therefore the captured Poles with some of the guards and employees of the camp were captured by the Germans.

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The commission listened to a large number of witnesses, conducted exhumation of 16 bodies from January 23 to 1944, 925, compared the results of a study of corpses from the Katyn forest with the results of a study of graves in other places of the Smolensk region, i.e. in Gedeonovka, Magalensk, Readovka and Krasny Bor, and noted that the bodies were buried in the Katyn Forest about two years ago, namely, from September to December 1941.

The conclusions of both commissions are very different, and therefore I consider myself obligated to talk about my Katyn experience now, when this can already be talked about freely. Perhaps someone will object to this idea with the fact that I can be influenced by a feeling of gratitude to the Russians who liberated our people, and therefore I can not speak out otherwise. However, my goal is for the historian who would like to deal with the Katyn issue to have documented arguments that I will give. If I were silent, it might seem that I agree with the Germans and insist on my signature, that is, that Polish officers were executed in the spring of 1940.

I draw upon circumstances from which I was not a direct witness from the Act “Amtliches Material zum Massenmord von Katyn”, which was included in the so-called “White Book” in 1943 [6]. The act was issued by the German Information Office at the proposal of the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs in 1943.

According to the German official report, the decisive evidence regarding the fact of the discovery of graves is the testimony of 72-year-old Russian peasant Parfen Kiselev from the nearby village of Kozi Gora, which showed:

“For 10 years, the Katyn Forest, in which the dacha is located [7], has been used as a sanatorium for senior NKVD officials. The whole forest was surrounded by a two-meter barbed wire fence and was guarded by armed guards. Unauthorized persons were completely prohibited from entering the forest. I did not know any employees there, except for the janitor Roman Sergeyevich.

In the spring of 1940, for about 4-5 weeks, 3-4 trucks were transported people into the forest every day, and there they were allegedly shot by NKVD officers. The cars were covered, so that no one could look inside.

Once, when I was at the train station in Gnezdovo, I saw some men moving from railway cars to cars I knew, and then they were driving towards the forest. I cannot say what happened to them, because no one dared to approach them, but I heard gunfire and human screams even in my apartment, and therefore I think that they were shot. It was no secret to anyone in the area that the NKVD was shooting Poles here. People said that it was about 10000 Poles.

When Katyn was occupied by the Germans, I went to the forest, but I did not find corpses, and saw only a few mounds scattered. It made me think that corpses could lie beneath these mounds.

In the summer of 1942, Poles worked at the location of German troops in Gnezdovo. One day 10 Poles came to me and asked me to show them where their countrymen were. I brought them into the forest and pointed to the mounds. The Poles asked me to lend them a shovel and pickaxe, which I did. About an hour later they returned, bearing the NKVD. They said that they found corpses under one of the mounds. On the knolls they placed birch crosses. ”

These are the testimonies of Kiselyov.

The German secret field police allegedly found out about the discovered corpses only in February 1943, and a test excavation of one of the mounds showed that it was really about a common grave. Systematic excavations began only in April, when the weather allowed excavation.

The following can be said about the Katyn Forest:

If you go along the highway from Smolensk to Vitebsk, then at a distance of 14 km from Smolensk there is a village and the Gnezdovo railway station, where, according to Kiselev, Polish officers got off the train and where the mentioned archaeological excavations were located. Not reaching 2 km to the village of Katyn, on the left, between the road and the Dnieper, there is a pine forest with trees 10-20 cm thick, through which passes a slightly zigzag road approximately 300 m long, ending at the end of the fishing line, at the dacha over the Dnieper. At the cottage there is a garage and one residential building.

At a distance of about 100 m from the highway, on the right side of the road, 7 common graves were discovered, located close to one another, and 4 graves on the left side. In 7 graves on the right side there were corpses of Polish officers, in 3 graves on the left side there were corpses of civilians, and in the last there were also Polish officers. This last grave was discovered only after June 1, 1943 and was not inspected by us. The graves on the right side were numbered 1-7, on the left side 8-11.

The tomb, indicated by number 1, was the largest and had the outlines of the letter L. The greater side of this L was 26 m, and the smaller one was 16 m in length, 5,5 m wide at one end and 8 m wide at the other. The burial had an area of ​​253 sq.m. The remaining graves were smaller, with areas of 11, 21, 21, 13,5, 48 and 22,5 square meters. m, i.e. a total of 478 sq.m. The depth of the graves was on average 2,3 m, the layer of sand poured over the corpses was on average 1,5 m. The sand embankment protruded approximately 1 m above the ground, so the layer of corpses was approximately 1,3 m.

The corpses were systematically laid in two places with their heads against the wall of the pit, but for the most part they were in complete disarray as they were dumped into the graves, mostly face down. Due to the pressure of the sand, the corpses were greatly flattened.

How many corpses were there? If we assume that one flattened corpse takes approximately? sqm square, then at the bottom of all the graves will fit only 950 corpses. In a layer 130 cm thick there could be no more than 7-8 layers of corpses, which would correspond to the number of 7000 corpses. If we add the corpses from the 8th pit, then the number of executed Polish officers reaches approximately 8000. If we add more executed civilians from three separate pits, where there were men and women, then the number of all corpses in the Katyn Forest could be approximately 12000.

The White Book says that until June 3, 1943, when inspections of the corpses were stopped, 4143 corpses were removed from the graves and buried again after the inspection. The following were identified: 2 generals, 12 colonels, 50 lieutenant colonels, 165 majors, 440 captains, 552 senior lieutenants, 930 lieutenants, 146 doctors, 10 veterinarians and 1 field priest. The rest were Polish soldiers, whose rank it was not possible to determine, among them there were ordinary privates without a rank, as well as 221 civilians.

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Corpses from the upper layers in areas of the body that were not covered by clothing had already decomposed in places from the outside, so sometimes there were no lips, soft integuments on the skull and arms, and the eyes were sunken. Corpses from the lower layers, especially from grave number 5, where groundwater penetrated, were in an adipotsir state [8], but adipotsir spread only to subcutaneous tissues. The muscles retained their color, the internal organs were also not adipociated.

All parts of the clothes were saturated with fatty substances. On high boots of many corpses, a layer of adipocated mass 1 mm thick was deposited. That is, the corpses were at different stages of decomposition, the reason for which was their mutual arrangement. In the upper layers they were rather somewhat dried out, and in the middle and lower layers they were medium-adipociated. The corpses in the upper layers lay quite freely, but in the lower ones they were mutually stuck together with cadaveric fluids that flowed from the upper layers to the lower ones.

All the corpses examined by us [9] had gunshot wounds in the back of the head, only one had a gunshot wound in the forehead. Bullets were mostly found in the frontal bone. Some had a through wound. Shots were fired at short range from short-barreled firearms of 7,65 caliber. The hands of a significant number of corpses were tied behind the back with twine, some corpses, especially in grave number 5, which also had a gunshot wound in the back of the head, had an overcoat thrown over their heads [10], and the space between the head and overcoat was filled with sawdust. The overcoat enveloping the head was tied around the neck with a rope. It is difficult to say what purpose this was pursued, perhaps this was done in order to prevent resistance, perhaps - because breathing was very difficult - this indicates torture.

II.

After this introduction and a description of the burial place itself and its environs, I now proceed to a personal assessment of the entire [Katyn] case in the following 13 points.

1. What were the testimonies

Witness Kryvozertsev, a 27-year-old driller, testified that in April 1940 he observed 3-4 train trains of 3-4 cars daily arriving in Smolensk. The windows of the cars were barred. Wagons were served at the Gnezdovo railway station. His sister allegedly told him that from these arriving wagons the Polish military, civilians and several priests were moving into closed trucks. Personally, he did not see this. He himself observed how on April 17 or 18, 1940, about 10 trucks, loaded to the top with suitcases, bags, duffel bags [11] with linen and raincoats, drove from the Katyn forest to Smolensk. Trucks were accompanied by security officers. Of certain significance is the fact that his sister was not interrogated, although it was she who saw how people were transferred to cars.

Witness Zakharov, 40, who worked as a trailer in Smolensk, testified that in March 1940 freight trains arrived with 5-6 large Pulman [12] arresting wagons attached from the Tambov Region. Of each train, 2-3 cars were delivered to the platform in Smolensk, while the rest were sent to the Gnezdovo station. From the conductors of the train, he learned that the prisoners contained in the cars were from Kozelsk, where there is supposedly a large monastery and many thousands more prisoners. As a sorter [13], he had the opportunity to observe how people from cars were taken to trucks covered with tarpaulins, and how then these cars left along the highway in the direction of Gnezdov. Most of the prisoners wore a Polish military uniform, mostly an officer. He saw priests among civilians only occasionally. There were no women. As he remembers for sure, this unloading lasted 28 days. His task was to inspect empty wagons [after unloading], and he saw that the wagons had 10 chambers each, which could normally accommodate 6 people, however, as he learned from the conductors, up to 18-20 people were packed in one chamber . In the wagons in which he sometimes looked [before unloading], he always found, among others, two or three priests. They were in long coats. He was told that they were Polish priests. - This witness claims that the overload in most cases occurred in Smolensk, while other witnesses - that this happened in Gnezdovo.

Witness Silvestrov, a 43-year-old handyman, testified that in April-May 1940, arresting cars were served at the Gnezdovo station, near which he lived, people from which were loaded into cooked trucks and taken away. Often, when he returned home in the evening, he went to the place of transshipment and observed men who, under the supervision of the NKVD, were transferred from wagons to cooked covered trucks — the well-known “black craters” [14]. There always stood 3 such cars and one truck. The hand luggage of the men leaving the wagons was taken away and thrown into a lorry, while they themselves were put in covered ones. When the cars were filling up, they drove towards Katyn. After 20-25 minutes the column came back and the whole procedure was repeated again. When they drove near him, he could often watch people sitting in front of a passenger car, probably from the NKVD, with typically Jewish faces. Overloading occurred most often in the evening or at night. He had the opportunity to learn about the fact that transportation took place at night, because at that time his dwelling was located directly on the highway. According to his estimates, the convoy drove about 10 times in April and 10 times in May for about 4 weeks. Since everyone was forbidden to linger at the place of overload, he could from a distance of approx. 50 meters, from which he observed, to see that they were mainly military, possibly officers, but between them were civilians. Among civilians were elderly people, occasionally with crutches. There were no women between them. Since he did not understand military uniforms, he could not determine their nationality. They talked differently. Some thought it was the Poles, others the Finns. According to rumors, the prisoners were taken to the so-called "collective rest house", located about 4 km away, and they were shot there. And he thought so, because during these transportations it was forbidden to pick mushrooms in the vicinity of the holiday home. The villagers, who knew what was happening, were wary of spreading their assumptions. There are many contradictions in the evidence of this witness. Other witnesses testified that the forest was fenced with a two-meter wire [barbed wire fence 2 m high], was guarded by armed guards and no one was allowed to visit it. This witness claims that it was forbidden to pick mushrooms in the vicinity of the cottage on designated days. It is also unlikely that he could distinguish typically Jewish faces from a distance of 50 meters in the evening or at night.

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Witness Andreev, a 26-year-old locksmith, observed that in March-April 1940, 3-4 convoys with 2-3 convict wagons arrived at the Gnezdovo station daily. From these cars, military and civilians were loaded onto trucks and transported towards Katyn. The witness was familiar with the driver Razuvaev, who drove one of the "funnel" cars and who was evacuated when the Germans approached. He saw in each truck 2-3 civilians whom he recognized by headgear.

Witness Glasser, a German, senior lieutenant of the former Polish army, testified that between March 20 and May 9, approximately 30 steps [15] drove out of the prisoner-of-war camps in trucks [80], each of them to the transfer station in Kozelsk where they were housed in prison cars. He was personally separated from Polish officers and later, together with other Germans, was released with the intervention of the German ambassador. “This witness, therefore, does not know where these stages were headed, and does not mention civilians.” Consequently, civilians apparently were attached to the officers on the way.

We were presented with witness Kiselev, who generally told the same thing that was said above about the discovery of mass graves. When we asked him the question, who were the men who accompanied the captured Polish officers, he thought a little and answered: "Jews." Despite the fact that such an answer sounded in the spirit of Silvestrov’s testimony, he attracted my attention because the witness was pondering over him. The captured officers are guarded in the prisoner of war camps by the military again, which also follows from the report of the Russian commission, and they are not transferred to the police. Then the Jews, as elsewhere in other places, carry out military service in all branches of the army, and it is unlikely that in Russia they would form punitive detachments or that they be recalled from the front and assigned to light service, such as the protection of prisoners.

However, the testimonies of these witnesses are indirect testimonies, as none of them were present at the executions.

It is strange that the German administration, although it made so much effort, did not find the 10 Polish workers who were the first to find the graves in the summer of 1942, and did not ask them from whom they learned about the graves and why in this case they did not report the find German authorities. After all, the Polish workers had no reason to hide this matter.

It is also strange that people who were resting in the country house and the treatment staff, who were located in a separate house near the country house, were not found and questioned. The staff of this institution was supposed to be quite large, and it was impossible for employees not to communicate with the inhabitants of Katyn and the neighboring Goat Mountains. They should have known who was digging the mass graves and who was falling asleep. After all, one person could not dig such large pits and shoot 8-12 thousand people, and secretly. Communicating with the population, this staff would have made a mention of what happened in the Katyn Forest, since it was more than a year before the Germans occupied Katyn, and the staff remained in place until that moment.

Although the Germans issued an appeal to the residents of Smolensk and also printed it in the newspaper Novy Put, which was published in Smolensk, to respond to those who have information about the massacre of Polish officers, the appeal was apparently unsuccessful.

The witnesses questioned by the Russian commission show the following.

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Witnesses Alekseeva, Mikhailova and Konakhovskaya unanimously testified that the headquarters of the 537th construction battalion, in which there were about 30 Germans, was located in the Katyn Forest, also called the Goat Mountains. Lt. Col. Arnes commanded them, his lieutenant was his adjutant

Rext, another officer was Lieutenant Hott. Women were at headquarters as attendants.

Alekseeva testified that at the end of September 1941 several trucks arrived at the cottage in Kozi Gory every day, stopping for half an hour or an hour somewhere on the road connecting the highway and the cottage, because the sound of their motors trailed off.

On-site shooting immediately began, the shots followed one after the other in short, but approximately identical intervals. Then the shooting stopped, and the cars drove up to the cottage. German soldiers and non-commissioned officers got out of the cars, always talking noisily, and immediately went to wash in the bathhouse. Then the booze began. On the uniforms of two corporal, she constantly saw traces of fresh blood. When she went to the dacha or from the dacha, she observed in several places not far from the road freshly dumped land, which each time occupied more and more space. When once she lingered, she saw the prisoners of the Poles being led. She hid in the thicket and after about 20-30 minutes she heard shots.

Witnesses Mikhailov and Konakhovskaya gave similar testimonies.

Of the witnesses whom the Germans interrogated, Kiselev and Zakharov were found.

Kiselyov testified that in the fall of 1942 the Germans called him twice to the Gestapo in Gnezdovo, told him that in 1940 people from the NKVD shot Polish officers, and demanded that he testify to this. When he was offered a protocol with the words: “Either you sign it, or we will destroy you,” then he got scared and signed. Later, when the Germans organized excursions to the Katyn graves for different delegations, he was forced to testify before these delegations, but was confused and therefore refused to speak. For this, he was arrested and beaten mercilessly for almost a month and a half, until he became weak, he became hard to hear and ceased to hold his right hand. Then he was threatened with hanging, so he promised that he would testify. Each time a delegation came, he was called into the courtyard, and for half an hour he had to memorize by heart everything that would say that in 1940 people from the NKVD executed Polish officers.

These testimonies were confirmed by both members of his [Kiselev] family and road foreman Sergeev.

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Witness Zakharov confirmed that he had told the Germans that in 1940 the wagons with the Poles actually traveled through Smolensk towards the west, but that he did not know where they were going. Then the officer who interrogated him said that if he did not want to testify in a good way, then he would be displeased with this force, and began to beat him with a rubber club. Then they put him on a bench and an officer with an interpreter beat him to a loss of consciousness. When he came to, then, frightened and forced by the beatings, he signed the protocol under the threat of execution.

The remaining witnesses whom the Germans interrogated either died, or the Germans stole them.

Thus, the initial testimonies of these two witnesses are in contradiction with the subsequent ones, and therefore it is indisputable that in one of these cases they were telling a lie.

Among the testimonies received by the Russian commission, the testimonies of witness Saineva, a primary school teacher, who testified that a Polish officer came to her in September 1941 and said that when the Germans occupied the Polish prisoner of war camp, they brought him into a cruel regime. . The Poles were not considered people, they were oppressed, tortured, and executed in every way, so he decided to run away. When the officer left the next day, he left the witness his Polish address in the name of Loek Josef and Sophia, Omrodova Street 25, Zamoshch. - The list of executed Polish officers under the number 3796 contains the name of Josef Loek, the lieutenant, as if shot in the Katyn Forest in the spring 1940 That is, in accordance with the German report, Loeck was shot more than a year before his meeting with Sashneva.

The testimonies received by the Germans are full of contradictions, the testimonies received by the Russian commission are more definite, although in this case too, none of the witnesses saw the executions with their own eyes. Which side is true, will be proved in the following paragraphs.

2. What could be the motive for the crime?

Officially, the commission did not investigate the motives of the crime, which, however, was not its purpose, and only occasionally mentioned them. When we arrived in Smolensk and were met by the head of public health in the local district of the German front, the eldest of us, prof. Orsos from Budapest. He stated that in World War I he was held captive for 4 years, of which 10 months were under the rule of the Bolsheviks. He learned then the Russian language and had many opportunities to learn the character and soul of a Russian person. Based on his experience, he must say that the Russian man could not commit such a terrible crime. Only an international Jew is capable of this ... However, he did not explain his point of view in more detail.

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A Berlin journalist asked me in Katyn what is the opinion of the population of my country about these massacres. I said sincerely and in accordance with the truth that the population of my country does not want to believe this. When asked what my personal point of view was, I replied that there was probably a rebellion in the prisoner of war camp for which prisoners of war were subsequently punished in this way. The journalist strongly rejected this point of view and said that the Bolsheviks did this out of principle. I would like to object that just in the spring of 1940, i.e. during the alleged execution of Polish officers, the Russians ended the war with the Finns and that probably many Finnish officers were captured as winners, but that, nevertheless, we have no reports that the Bolsheviks mistreated them, therefore, the reason was not in principles. After all, German propaganda would certainly not have missed the opportunity to use a suitable case. And if no one did harm to the Finnish officers, why would it be necessary to do this with respect to Polish officers? However, I realized where I was, and therefore did not say anything. After all, if we were talking about the principles according to which prisoners of war would be perceived differently than during the previous wars, then why should we delay the execution for six months? The Russians captured Poland in September 1939, and the executions, according to the Germans, took place only in March and April 1940.

Of course, the crime itself had to have a cause. From history, we know the following. At the end of the "Great Migration of Peoples," the Germans began a broad front march to the east. The concept of Drang nah Osten arose. Any barely formed principality in the east was an obstacle for the Germans, and therefore they unleashed wars with them, as a result of which the Slavs in the Laba valley were slaughtered and in the Danube valley Germanized. In a wide belt from the Baltic to the Adriatic, the Germans founded a large number of colonies. Now they continued this “Drang nach Osten” and did not even need to quote “Mein Kampf” or quote the sayings of Hitler and other German leaders to see that in this war the Germans also tried to gain space for colonization in the east. Since there was no space free of population for colonization, it was necessary to eliminate this population. This is where the motive for the crime must be sought. On the Russian side, we would have searched in vain for some motive.

3. What is the significance of the discovery of civilians in the graves?

Among 4143 bodies of executed officers, 221 bodies of executed civilians were also found. The official German report is silent about these corpses and does not even establish whether they were Russians or Poles. The corpses of civilians were found not only in the grave and not even in only one place of any of the graves, but they were scattered among the executed officers in different graves and layers. It follows that civilians were executed not all at the same time, but in smaller groups to join the groups of officers. In accordance with the documents found with them, the officers were transported from the Kozelsky camp, which lies 200 km southeast of Katyn, and therefore it was easy to determine by interviewing the local civilian population whether there was any concentration camp in Kozelsk for [civilian] Poles, or by interrogation of railway workers to determine when and where civilians were transported. This circumstance is striking. Since witness Glasser does not mention civilians, it therefore seems that we are talking about the arrested local population - the Russians - who were sent to execution with Polish officers the day after their arrest.

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4. What is the significance of the Katyn forest?

Based on the testimonies of witnesses Kuzma Godonov, Ivan Krivozertsev and Mikhail Zhigulov, German authorities established that people were allegedly executed in the Katyn forest from 1918 to 1929. From that time until 1940 they did not see any vehicles heading into the forest. Until 1931, everyone could go into the forest, and the children who were picking mushrooms there supposedly talked about fresh graves. (It is surprising that adults did not go to see this, since there were fresh gravestones in the forest and access to the forest was free.) In 1931, the forest was fenced and entry into the forest was forbidden, as was indicated by signs. In 1934, a large house was built here, that is, the above cottage, designed for employees of the NKVD as a health institution.

Since such a large number of corpses were covered with a layer of sand of approximately 1,5 m, the stench of thousands of decaying bodies must have spread throughout the forest. And therefore it is more than strange that employees, even if we did not take into account aesthetic considerations, would allow the transformation of a small forest, where they walked and wanted to gain health, into a place of mass executions and burials, would allow air pollution by cadaverous fumes, while Any other part of Russia, there are many more suitable places?

5. What weapons were executed Polish officers?

Very important and interesting is the fact that Polish officers were executed by German-made cartridges. Shot cartridges were found near the graves and occasionally among the corpses, and un shot cartridges were found in grave No. 3. The liners were labeled “Geco DD 7,65” at the bottom. The bullets found in the corpses were also fired from a 7,65 caliber pistol, and therefore, given the whole cartridges found, there was no doubt that Polish officers were shot by bullets from these cartridges. Such cartridges were made in 1921-1931. at the gun factory Gustav Genschow et al. in Durlach near Karlsruhe. The company said that it had actually made these cartridges, but as a result of the Treaty of Versailles [Germany] it was not possible to acquire an arsenal, and the company allegedly exported such cartridges, among other states, also to Poland, the Baltic States and the USSR. Thus, the cartridges of German manufacture could get to Russia not only as a trophy after the occupation of Poland in 1939, but also for direct deliveries.

Although such an explanation is possible, it is evident, however, that according to this version the Russians used cartridges of almost 20 years ago. It would be decidedly better for the Germans [16] if Polish officers were shot from Russian-made weapons. After all, Russia has an excellent Nagan revolver manufactured at the Putilovsky [17] plant, or at least the Germans might ask what pistols the NKVD was armed with, about which the Germans claim that he committed a crime. However, even this has not been established.

6. Proof by five year old pines.

As evidence, the Germans also point to young five-year-old pines that were planted on mounds. We ourselves did not see them [18], because the graves were already open, they showed us only one of the pines. A section of one pine was examined using a vertical porthole [19]. It was found that it is at least five years old and that an inconspicuous dark strip is visible in the section closer to the middle [20]. The forester called out by forester von Geff said that such a dark streak occurs when the growth of a pine tree stops something, for example, as a result of a transplant, and believed that the pine tree was transplanted 3 years ago. However, he himself admitted that pines are poorly developed, grow in the shade of other trees, and this strip could thus appear as a result of other influences, and not just as a result of transplantation.

7. The meaning of holes in clothing.

Holes were found on the clothes of some of the corpses, firstly, round, secondly, as if beamed or even having four beams, but on the body, with the exception of the only case of damage to the ribs, injuries in the corresponding place were practically not noticeable. The Germans claimed that these holes were made by tetrahedral Russian bayonets, which drove the victims to the place of execution. Although the Russian bayonets are tetrahedral, they have a chisel-shaped tip, and judging by the fact that not one of the wounds penetrates deep into the body, but barely under the skin, it is difficult to say that the holes were made with this tool. And why, then, some of the holes were rounded, others - as if cut, and others four-pointed, if they were made the same tool? Thus, this evidence is very unreliable and falls away.

8. Documents found on corpses.

On 53 corpses out of 4000 there were various things on which stood a date or at least a year, namely:

- 4 pencil drawings on paper with the dates December 26th, 1939 and January 15th, 1940, and two since 1940,

- 2 calendars in which the date was crossed out - in one on April 12, 1940, in another - on April 23, 1940,

- 3 cigarette cases with the inscription "Kozelsk 1940 g",

- 2 wallets with the inscription "Kozelsk November 7, 1939" on one and "Kozelsk 1940" - on another,

- a total of 45 different letters, telegrams or receipts with the most recent date of April 3, 1940 and, finally, 10 magazines with the most recent date of May 20, 1940 [21]

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The Germans consider the most important document the diary of Major Solsky, which he kept until April 9 and in which he stands:

“8/4: 3:30 departure from Kozelsk station to the west, 9:45 station Yelnya. From 12 o'clock we stand on the siding.

9/4: A few minutes before five, we were picked up and assigned to overload. We have to switch to cars. Where to go?

9/4: At 5 a.m. Before dawn, the day does not start well. We are being loaded into prison cars. The offices have security. We come to the forest - some kind of health resort. We were thoroughly searched ... The clock, the time on them is 6:30 (8:30). They ask about wedding rings, take away rubles, passports, pocket knives. ”

I have not seen this diary myself. His last page described above was published in the White Paper. He is rather suspicious of his content and is in conflict with the testimonies of witnesses and other circumstances. 9/4 says that they came to the forest at 8:30 in the morning, although, according to witness Silvestrov, they were taken to the forest in the evening and at night. It is suspicious that the diary had the opportunity to keep, so to speak, until the last moment before the execution. Not stamped year - only day and month. One date costs twice, even though the diary usually writes in the evening about the events of the past day. There is also no evidence that it was written by the author himself.

The fact that documents with a later date were not found cannot be decisive, firstly, because not all the corpses were exhumed, and secondly, because the date is not readable in a large number of letters, and thirdly, because that in the spring of 1940 Polish prisoners were transferred from Kozelsk to build a highway near Smolensk, which is why the post office did not go regularly.

On the other hand, during the further exhumation of the corpses, the Russian commission found on different corpses a total of 9 other documents containing dates from September 12, 1940 to June 20, 1941, i.e. dates of the period when, according to the Germans, officers were already executed.

9. Signs of decomposition of corpses [22].

Before judging by the signs of decomposition, how long the corpses of Polish officers could have been in common graves, we must briefly touch upon the decomposition process and the conditions in which it passes.

In essence, we distinguish two decomposition processes.

The first process is the so-called rotting (reduction), during which the formation of hydrogenous substances (methane, hydrogen sulfide, ammonia and ammonium sulfite) occurs. These substances are foul-smelling gases, so the corpse swells, swells and exudes stench. Hydrogen necessary for the formation of these substances comes from body fluids, since there are many in the body of these fluids, the process begins immediately after death. Hydrogen also comes from a humid environment, as evidenced by the fact that corpses in the water swell and rot faster [than in the ground]. In the first days after death, the process reaches a maximum, after which, after the consumption of hydrogen is slowed down and after a few months it stops, so that the swelling of the corpse disappears.

The second process is decay (oxidation), i.e. the formation of oxygen substances (carbonic, sulfuric, nitric and phosphoric acids). And this process also occurs immediately after death, but it is moving very slowly, at first it is invisible and reaches its maximum only after a few months. The resulting substances are fluid, not foul-smelling, and after several months the corpse, if the first process is in an inconspicuous phase, does not emit a stench, but flows, spreads. The oxygen needed for this process is taken from the environment and from the air contained in the earth. Smoldering begins first where oxygen enters more quickly, i.e. in parts of the body that are not covered by clothing, and this is usually the face and hands. Therefore, after half a year it can be observed that the eyes, nose and lips have already decomposed, the eye and nasal cavities gap with emptiness, the teeth are bare, the soft parts of the hands are spread out, and the bones are free in the joints. After a year, the process goes already to the neck and chest, the soft parts of the chest disappear and the ribs are exposed. Also, after a year they are weakened and lose strength ankle (articulatio talocruralis) and other joints of the leg.

The conditions for these processes in the Katyn graves were not unfavorable. There was enough dampness. After all, the bottom of grave No. 5 was at the level of groundwater, because in the immediate vicinity of the graves there was a swamp and, in addition, the Katyn region was not a dry desert. In winter it is covered with snow, in summer there is enough water due to precipitation.

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In these graves there was slightly less oxygen from the air than in ordinary graves. Under normal conditions, when a corpse is buried in a coffin, air, i.e. oxygen, is abundant in the coffin itself, beneath it and in the surrounding earth, which allows the oxidation process to take place. In Katyn, although there are no coffins, and the corpses were thrown into the pits in perfect disorder, lengthwise and crosswise on top of each other, a fair amount of air was contained in the clothes and in the space between the individual corpses, and, in addition, the sand with which they were covered, had a coarse grain and probably contained air. It was not clay or some other impenetrable layer, and therefore new oxygen could come to the corpses from the air.

In the vast majority of corpses, the soft parts were absent only on the crown of the head, all other closed and unclosed parts of the body were preserved, the joints were not loose, the corpses could be lifted, planted, turned over and unscrewed without the corpse breaking up.

By the example of the corpse, which I opened myself, everyone can be sure that both the nose and parts of the lips, hands and even fingers have been preserved, although the eyes have sunk in, but have not decomposed, the teeth are not exposed.

And even if we assume that, due to the lower oxygen content, the oxidation process in the Katyn corpses was slowed down, one cannot nevertheless agree that they could lie in the graves for 3 years. The condition of the corpses suggests that they were there for several months or, taking into account the lower oxygen content from the air and the sluggish process of decay (oxidation), that they lay there for at most 1,5 years.

When I need to exhume to cremate corpses (or remains), they call me to Prague cemeteries to inspect them, and I really saw a fair amount of corpses from all Prague cemeteries after various times after the burial, therefore, I have great experience. However, I can’t say that I would ever come across even a two-year-old corpse in such a state as those that were in Katyn. The condition of the corpses in Katyn indicated that they had been lying there for at most 1,5 years.

Against a three-year period, the identification of corpses in grave No. 5 strongly speaks.

Adipociation is the transformation of the soft parts of the body into a special light gray, sticky, uniform mass that exudes a strong stench that dries in the air and turns into a white, but no longer smelling, surprisingly light substance. Adipocir is formed in water without air access and occurs after about 2 months in the subcutaneous connective tissues on the cheeks, and later also on the back and extremities, up to 2 years, all subcutaneous tissues, and up to 3 years, the intestines adipociate.

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In the Katyn forest, in the grave No. 5, where groundwater got into it, corpses adiposed from the outside were found, but their musculature retained their color, and the internal organs were not adipociated. Even if we assume that on hot, dry summer days the groundwater level fell and the corpses were not in the water for some time, and the adipociation process did not continue, it is indisputable that if the corpses had been lying in grave No. 5 for three years, then they and internal organs, and especially muscle, had to turn into adipotsir. The level of adipociation also indicates that the corpses lay in the grave for approximately 1,5 years.

10. Signs on clothes.

According to general experience, cotton and linen fabrics decompose in about 5 years, wool in about 10 years. The uniforms on the Polish officers were completely preserved, they were not even rotten, they could be easily removed from the body and buttons unfastened, metal parts such as buckles on belts; the hooks and shoe nails, although a little rusty, still retained their luster in places. Tobacco in cigarette cases also retained a yellow color; cigarette paper, although damp, but not soaked and not decayed.

Analysis of clothing, its metal parts and cigarettes also speaks against the fact that corpses could lie in the ground for 3 years.

11. Signs on letters and newspapers

It is difficult to agree that letters and newspapers, lying in the ground for 3 years, where they were affected by water and decomposition products, could be intact and readable as they really were. We [23] have a tradition of putting in the coffin with the body of the deceased the images of saints, which are usually made of very good paper, but still, when I exhumed three-year-old corpses, I never found any pictures. The officers, as I saw, they lay completely freely in their pockets, and not in any case, and therefore it is impossible to believe that after 3 years their integrity and readability was such as they really were found in. In the process of decay of the corpse, the formed acids act on them - and they decay.

12. The formation of deposits on the surface of the brain tissue.

Prof. Orsos from Budapest drew attention to the fact that in the skull of one of the corpses he found on the surface of the brain mass a solid, as if calcareous, deposit, which, according to his experience, was observed only after 3 years of the corpse being in the grave. Orsos published in Article 11 of Orvosi Getilap [24] for 1941 an article stating that in corpses lying in the ground for longer than 3-4 years, as he discovered, the surface of the posterior cranial fossa (fossa cranii posterior) and both stony bones (os petrosum) [25] is softened and corroded, that is, a strong bone defect is observed. The decalcified occipital bone (os occipitale) was as soft as a crust of bread. Whenever this was observed, this defect was found in the places where the bone touched the thickened brain mass, however, the bone was damaged not directly under the surface of the brain mass adjacent to it, but in the immediate vicinity where the bone could come into contact with air. Then on the surface of the brain in these places formed the above deposition.

This effect is nothing special. As a result of exposure to acids formed during decomposition, bone decalcification occurs. If the corpse lies on its back, the formed acids cannot flow out and gather in the posterior cranial fossa on the sides of the inner occipital crest crista occipitalis interna [26]. In the case of a higher concentration of acids, this can not only decalcify the bone, but can also cause severe arrosion (erosion), leading even to perforation. Minerals extracted from bones (calcium, magnesia, and phosphate) are then deposited on nearby parts of the brain mass and after the disappearance of fluids in it, the external parts of the mass dry out and harden. However, this happens not only after three years, but sometimes much earlier, because it all depends on the amount and concentration of acids that cause decalcification and softening of bones, and the concentration of acids is different. Prof. Orsos examined a number of skulls, but only one of them found similar changes, and also, to a small extent. In the rest of the turtles, this was not. If the phenomenon was of a regular nature, then it would have occurred in most skulls, because the corpses were buried at the same time.

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13. The absence of insects and their transitional forms.

It is also important that no insects or their transitional forms, such as testicles, larvae, pupae, or even any debris, were found either in corpses, in clothes, or in graves. The lack of transitional forms of insects occurs when the corpse is buried during the period of absence of insects, i.e., from late autumn to early spring, and when relatively little time has passed from the burial to exhumation.

It is known that even if the corpse is buried deep enough, the stench of the decomposing body, which at different stages of decomposition is different in accordance with the development of the process, attracts insects of different species, the larvae of which drill the ground and penetrate the corpse. The Germans claim that Polish officers were killed in the spring of 1940, i.e., three summer periods had passed by the time of the exhumation, namely the summer of 1940, 1941 and 1942. Insects would penetrate the corpses with a greater probability over these three periods than during, say, the summer of 1942 alone, and therefore at least their remains could possibly be found.

Thus, this circumstance also suggests that the corpses were buried around the autumn of 1941.

As follows from the above conclusions, not a single evidence that the Germans relied on was reliable enough to withstand criticism, nor does it prove that the corpses lay in the Katyn Forest for 3 years, but on the contrary, all circumstances indicate that they lay there 1-1,5 years.

III.

In conclusion, I emphasize that I published this work on my own initiative, that no one called me to this, and I did not receive orders to do this from anyone, that is, from either Czech or Russian institutions. In abbreviated form, I read about this work at a meeting of the Society of Czech Doctors on July 9, 1945. I wanted to do this as soon as the Society of Czech Doctors began its regular meetings in a liberated country, but my arrest prevented this.

During interrogation, I was mainly asked the following 3 questions:

1. Why did I go to Katyn?

2. What public statements did I make?

3. Why did I sign the Katyn Protocol?

I answered the first question in the introduction.

On the second question I’ll say the following: my public statements were made not of my own free will.

Even before I left for Katyn, they knew about the upcoming trip on the radio, which approached me with the idea of ​​organizing a report for the general public. After my return and the official publication of the Katyn Protocol, the editors of the published diaries “” and “” addressed me at that time. They explained that they had been instructed to interview me and that my answers would be published in all daily newspapers. I answered their questions and told the truth about what I saw and heard in Katyn, but the next day I was very upset when I read something completely different and that statements were attributed to me that I absolutely did not belong and could not belong to. In particular, I never said that the crime was committed by the Bolsheviks. However, it was impossible to change the situation at that time. A few days later, the head of the press of the so-called “protectorate” [27] Wolfram von Volmar demanded that I make a report on my Katyn experience for the press in the Press Club [28]. I did so, but again objectively, and at the end of the report I reproached the aforementioned editors for the manner of presentation, which the Czech Information Bureau has already ascertained. (See the newspaper "Rase" dated July 11, 1945) I then emphasized that the doctor should not discuss the guilt or innocence of the accused, but I must provide an objective examination relating to the field of medicine. Editors cited censorship.

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On the radio I described my trip and the impressions that she left in me, and completely ignored the opinion that the corpses of Polish officers had been in the graves for 3 years. German censorship seized some of my phrases and demanded that I add that the corpses were in the graves, no doubt, for more than 3 years. I satisfied this requirement, but I omitted the word “doubtless”. The record plate is in the archive of broadcasting.

The editor of the monthly Pntomnost contacted me with the idea of ​​an article. I wrote the article in approximately the same sense as the radio report.

In no other cases did I talk about the Katyn case in society, and only to my closest friends, whose patriotism, in the true sense of the word, had no doubt, I hinted at how long the corpses lay in the Katyn Forest.

To the third question, why I signed the Katyn Protocol, I replied:

“It was clear to each of us that if we had not signed the protocol drawn up by prof. Butz from Wroclaw and prof. Orsos from Budapest, our plane would never have returned ”[29]. That is why none of us discussed the case in society or in the personal circle, no one made any rebuttals, did not express the opposite judgment, and therefore I had the impression that each of us knows the current state of affairs [30].

Perhaps it would be correct to state that we do not believe the testimonies that date the crime in the spring of 1940, but lawyers should not evaluate the veracity of witnesses. As a result, we would have to prove that the documents were forged or that later documents were seized, but this is not our business. We must take evidence as it is. In addition, we could not in the two days we spent in Katyn make sure how quickly the corpses decompose in this place. It would be necessary to examine several corpses from the cemetery in Katyn [31], about which it would be accurately established that they had been in the grave for 3 years, and compare all this with the results of our research, as the Russian commission did. With the decomposition of corpses in mass graves, we did not have sufficient personal experience. Although during the world war 1914-1918. and several exhumations of mass graves were made, but they were carried out later than 3 years [after burial]. The corpses in these graves were decayed and decayed.

The Soviet authorities understood our situation, of course, absolutely correctly, and therefore we must bow to the power of the Soviets, which in their magnanimity did not require our punishment, for they realized that he who would not be circumspect would be silenced forever. True, it will always win.

IV.

On January 1, 1946, during the publication of this publication, daily newspapers printed a message from Reuters received from Moscow that one of the German officers named Dure, who was in charge of the Leningrad court, admitted that the Nazis had carried out the Katyn massacre and described as in the Katyn Forest 15-20 thousand people were shot and buried - Polish officers and Jews.

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[1] In the documents of Orsos and Orzos

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[2] So the author

[3] Original “Vratislav”, which is the Czech tradition of the Polish city of “Wroclawa”

[4] In the original, “Glos”. This refers to the newspaper Glos Radziecki, published in Polish.

[5] Obvious inaccuracy. Smolensk was liberated by Soviet troops on September 25, 1943, the decision to create a Burdenko commission was made by the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) On January 12, 1944.

[6] Original - “Bila kniha”. This refers to "Amtliches ...". The author considers this publication as a collection of materials, believing that the “Amtleches ...” itself, as an official act, is only part of the whole, and the second part in this case should be understood as the numbered list of exhumed corpses contained here.

[7] In the original - “zamek”. This can mean "castle", "villa", "cottage". A similar word "Schloss" is used in "Amtliches ...". This is not a mistake, since in the Czech Republic and Germany the word “castle” refers, among other things, to a certain architectural type. We are talking about the famous cottage of the NKVD.

[8] In the original - “adipocir”, which in the Czech language is a special term of foreign origin, which was previously used in the Russian language. Currently, Russian-language sources use the identical expression "fat". The translator considered it necessary to leave the original expression to convey the general atmosphere of the publication.

[9] In the original, it is precisely “examined”. This refers to all examined corpses, and not just opened ones.

[10] The original is plasf. The Czech language allows the use of the expression "cloak" to denote a light coat. Civilians can also use this expression to denote military overcoats, since there are no “overcoats” in the Czech sense in the Czech army

[11] In the original - “pytlik”, which is a diminutive of “pytel”, ie "bag". Perhaps the author has in mind the "bag", but this is only an assumption of the translator. The difficulty lies in the stylistic features of the Czech language since 1946.

[12] So the author

[13] In the original - "roztrid'ovad", that is, "sorter".

[14] In the original - “cerny krkavec”, ie "black Raven". The translator considered it possible to use the Russian slang expression "funnel" as the most appropriate in meaning.

[15] In the original - "transport", ie "Transport", "train" (also "train"). In the general sense of what has been said, I mean, probably, the Russian expression "stage", i.e. "The group will kill

[16] According to the translator, the author is slightly sarcastic

[17] So the author

[18] The author means "we are members of the commission."

[19] In the original - “vertikalni iluminator”. The translator was unable to establish which device in question

[20] Or the strip.

[21] So the author.

[22] In the translation of special medical terms, inaccuracies are possible, since the translator does not have a medical education

[23] That is, in the Czech Republic

[24] Original - “Orvosi Hetilap”.

[25] Os petrosum is one of the four bones that make up the temporal bone.

[26] Crista occipitalis interna is a small protrusion on the inner surface of the occipital part of the cranium, on the sides of which there are two small indentations.

[27] The author refers to Protektorat Bomen und Mahren, that is, the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, which was the official name of the Czech Republic under German control during the war.

[28] Original - Presseklub.

[29] These quotation marks close the quotation in the original. This is a definite mistake of the typesetter. The translator allowed himself to close the quote where, in his opinion, it could have been originally closed by the author.

[30] In terms of context, it is impossible to say exactly what time the content of this paragraph refers to. It is possible that the author means "during the war" or "when we were in the Katyn Forest."

Source: istmat.info

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The protocol of the interrogation of a witness in the case of the fascist provocation of the Katyn forests. August 28, 1943


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Theme: World War II
Direction: Courts and law enforcement
Document Type: Judicial and Investigative Materials
State: USSR
Dating: 1943.08.28
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Source: Germans in Katyn. M.: ITRK. S. 172
Archive: RGASPI F. 69. OP.1.D. 750.L. 61-62.


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Witness KARASEV Mikhail Ivanovich, a former prisoner of war, lived and worked at a German military hospital in the mountains. Smolensk from August 10, 1941 to the transition to the squad. In the same room with KARASEV there lived a prisoner of war VINOKUROV Vladimir Petrovich, whom in January 1943 the Germans sent to prisoners of war. Subsequently, VINOKUROV came to KARASEV in the hospital with the goal of collecting hospital waste for food.

During one visit in a private conversation to the question of KARASEV: “how do you live?” - VINOKUROV replied: “it’s very bad, because our team is 60 people. it’s a very dirty job, we tear off corpses in the Smolenskoye cemetery, put it in coffins and in closed cars we take it to the Katyn Forest, where we dump the corpses from coffins into large holes and bury them. ”

Locals confirm the discovery of corpses and their removal to the Katyn Forest: FROLOV Mikhail Semenovich, who lives in the mountains. Smolensk on the street Bolshaya Sportivnaya 21, and KUZYTINA Praskovya, living in the mountains. Smolensk near the New Plant, the latter claims that during the excerpts she saw the remnants of the cloaks of the commanders of the Red Army. PEREGONTSEV Vasily Andreyevich, living in SMOLENSK, on ​​the street. Zapolnoy, who worked as a shoemaker at a German hospital, he claims that the commission in the Katyn Forest found only 900 corpses, and they write 12.000. The doctor Nikolai Borisovich, a resident of the city of ROSTOV, living on the 4th line, went on an excursion with German doctors and participated in the commission for the excavation of corpses in the Katyn Forest, he examined the corpses and read the act of the commission, according to him, the commission discovered 900 corpses, but not 12.000, as the Germans write. On examination, it was completely impossible to determine what kind of nationality they were. But they, as excursionists, were shown several objects of Polish origin, such as coins, cigarette cases, cigarette holders, mouthpieces, buttons and rings.

On the instructions of the German command, the doctor Nikolai Borisovich had a conversation with prisoners of war on the issue of the Katyn events, but in a private conversation he did not agree with this provocation and said that this was all a lie.

On the same issue, defector Sergei Ananyev and Mikhail Filyanov had a conversation with eyewitnesses and show the same thing that KARASEV showed.



Squad leader them. KOTOVSKY MAYOR - KOLENCHENKO, HEAD OF THE STAFF OF THE Squad OF MAYOR - RVACHEV

A copy was made in 7 copies.

TRUE MAYOR: Mamynov (MAMYNOV) Mon 26.8.43.

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From the Arkady intelligence service to the western headquarters of the Popov’s partisan movement. April 26, 1943


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Source: Germans in Katyn. M.: ITRK. S. 170
Archive: GANISO F. 8. Op. 2. D.64. L.86.


Former Red Army soldiers who escaped from German captivity said that, in preparing the Katyn adventure, the German fascists had previously made serious preparations. They dug up a large number of corpses at the Smolensk Civil Cemetery, and also dug up all the corpses of the soldiers and commanders of the Red Army who died in the battles for Smolensk in 1941, and transported them to the Katyn Forest, which were subsequently torn off as Polish soldiers and officers.

During excavations, the remnants of equipment and uniforms of fighters and commanders of the Red Army very often came across, which led to the bewilderment of fascist experts. The German doctors who were present during the excavations said among themselves that with all the desire to determine the ownership of the corpses, what nationality they are, it is not possible due to their decomposition.

[Damask]

I wonder if the clown is reading this

[Damask]

The time will come and they will probably show you for Poltava, Izmail, but there will be a damn long line

[Vladimir Kashevarov]

in Katyn there were a pioneer camp and a recreation area of ​​the NKVD, what kind of idiot do you have to be to SHOOT POLES in front of your children, because it was impossible to hide such a number of executions, where was the head of GORBACHEV PUTIN MEDVEDEV?

[Tolstoevsky]

encroached on a pshekoshrine

[BAI]

This book should be the main exhibit of the Yeltsin Center. (I managed to read a few pages offhand, you can be shocked by the actions of Yeltsin and Gorbachev). By the way, really, why was the question never raised that children were shot there too? Those. These were not only prisoners of war, but children were not executed en masse in the USSR.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Gipfel

It’s difficult to distinguish directly from German weapons with German bullets? -7.62 from hole 7.92, the bullet itself is another matter, but it doesn’t solve anything in general, both of them can use each other’s weapons. This proves nothing and doesn’t explain anything ...

Yes Yes. Our people knew that a war would start, the Germans would occupy this territory, find the graves and create a commission of investigation, etc. Therefore, they decided to deceive everyone - they bought weapons from the Germans, paper twine that was not produced in the Union, etc. By the way, all members of the German commission, unlike the Burdenko commission, strangely died under unclear circumstances.

[Konstantin Paustovsky]

Not a damn thing new! there were also Polish prisoners of war shot by the NKVD forces, and this was Stalin’s revenge for the atrocities of the Poles against captured Red Army soldiers in the Polish-Soviet war of 18. There were also captured Poles who were shot by the Germans in 1941. In the same graves. There is nothing new. And we didn’t give a damn about making excuses. The Polish bastard didn't make much of an excuse for 1918!

[Albina Yakovleva_5]

The Psheks could not admit the thought of the Nazis shooting their officers. "the integrity of the fascists and Poles is beyond suspicion"!!! now you, gentlemen psheki, are guaranteed diarrhea for life and scream at the enemy’s gates for compensation!!!!!