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Poland sent a request to purchase eight Patriot batteries to the USA

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It became known that the Polish leadership sent an official request to the United States to consider the possibility of acquiring the American Patriot anti-missile systems. We are talking about the embodiment of Poland "defense" plan, called the "Vistula". Recall that on this background, the possibility of Poland acquiring several newest F-35 fighter jets from the USA is being considered. About this "Military Review" reported earlier.

Information resource Defense News announces that the Polish military leadership intends to purchase eight Patriot batteries from the United States by November of this year.

Poland sent a request to purchase eight Patriot batteries to the USA


Last year, the idea of ​​acquiring anti-missile systems from the United States was expressed by Polish Defense Minister Anthony Macieserevich, who said that "you can not sit back and wait for direct Russian aggression." At the same time, Matserevich focused on the deployment by the Russian Federation of missile systems in the Kaliningrad region on an ongoing basis. Matserevich, of course, did not mention the fact that the Russian deployment was a response to the creation of the American missile defense segment in Poland.

The possibility of supplying the Patriot to Poland actually does not look at all as a result of Warsaw requests, but as the further implementation of the US plans to deploy a missile defense system in Eastern Europe. Polish officials here act as talking heads, which lowered the directive of the mandatory mention of the "Russian threat" so that with this mention one could at least disguise the continuing American militarization of the Eastern European region.

In 2015, Poland was about to buy an American Patriot, but then the presidential election made its adjustments.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 April 1 2017 07: 30
    +8
    And so it is clear that the United States wants to install a missile defense system at our borders with Poland, too many Matserevichs with chicken brains have divorced.
    1. cost
      cost April 1 2017 07: 50
      +4
      If the contract is signed, Poland will become the 14th country in the world and the 6th NATO member to purchase the Patriot air defense system. The purchase condition is the production of at least 50 percent. air defense systems by enterprises of the national defense industrial complex of Poland. Initially, the cost of the Wisla project was estimated at 8-12 billion zlotys (2,5-3,7 billion dollars). It can be assumed that in recent months, American manufacturers interested in concluding the contract made serious concessions to Poland’s INR.
      1. matak4b
        matak4b April 1 2017 08: 00
        +3
        If they were thinking about the Iskanders, then the purchase of a Hetz in combination with the "David Sling" would be more appropriate. Still, the Patriot is "imprisoned" on planes ...
        1. pshek
          pshek April 1 2017 09: 07
          0
          But we are purchasing LCI sky ceptor missiles - it is an Israeli-made version of Stunner missiles.

          8 batteries is a salvo of 256 missiles, and this is only the highest layer of the new air defense :)
          1. just exp
            just exp April 1 2017 11: 47
            +4
            watch a video from Saudi Arabia, there are 26 missiles launched on the old skad.
            and still their patriots miss old Soviet missiles that are already 50 years old.
            1. just exp
              just exp April 1 2017 11: 51
              0
              here the third video is one of the angles
              http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/359738.html
              and it's all about one old rocket.
              1. Professor
                Professor April 1 2017 11: 55
                +1
                Quote: just explo
                and it's all about one old rocket.

                Why did you decide that this is the launch of the Patriot?
                1. pshek
                  pshek April 2 2017 00: 53
                  0
                  And even if - what of that? Saudi Arabia has neither stunnera, nor sky ceptor, nor pac3 mse.

                  GEM 2 is the same age as the point, so ...
                  1. just exp
                    just exp April 2 2017 06: 18
                    0
                    the Saudis have just kinetic missiles. and they all screwed up.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor April 2 2017 07: 35
                      0
                      Quote: just EXPL
                      the Saudis have just kinetic missiles. and they all screwed up.

                      This is never the Patriots, but ordinary MLRS. So definitely "screwed up" ... wassat commentators
            2. user1212
              user1212 April 2 2017 17: 38
              0
              Quote: just explo
              watch a video from Saudi Arabia, there are 26 missiles launched on the old skad.
              and still their patriots miss old Soviet missiles that are already 50 years old.

              It was at 91. Then they finished it and now the skads are completely caught.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 April 1 2017 07: 54
      +5
      In recent years, Poland has been growing rather strong. This is due to the high pace of development of their economy.
      1. Professor
        Professor April 1 2017 08: 01
        +2
        Quote: xetai9977
        In recent years, Poland has been growing rather strong. This is due to the high pace of development of their economy.

        This is due to completely different known factors. For example, here are such comments at all levels:
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        Already no one and nothing will save pshek ...

        Poland feels a threat, so it is arming itself. In this case defensive weapons.
        1. Alex_Tug
          Alex_Tug April 1 2017 08: 18
          +4
          Poland feels a threat, so it is arming itself. In this case defensive weapons.
          And protests against spines on the border with Kaliningrad.
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 April 1 2017 09: 37
            +1
            Quote: Alex_Tug
            And protests against the thorns on the border with Kaliningrad

            The most defensive of defensive weapons and structures. laughing fellow
        2. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT April 1 2017 08: 23
          +10
          Quote: Professor
          This is due to completely different known factors. For example, here are such comments at all levels:

          Normal comment ... laughing We are simple people and write that we feel with genes .. They surround us from all sides, that's all .. This time the professor will not “fool us”! We know "where the ears stick out" .. You look with Azerbaijan, your friends became direct in the last year, they pay money for weapons without stinting .. And they have always been Poles, centuries-old envy of Russia gnaws them ... Not in vain in Tsarskaya the empires of the Poles clamped very tightly .. Here it is the freedom of the Commonwealth ..!
          1. Professor
            Professor April 1 2017 08: 27
            +3
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            Surround us from all sides, that's all

            Do not surround, but enclosed. "Patriot" is not "Iskander", this is air defense. A defense system, not an attack.
            However, you do not understand this. On people like you, I'm not going to waste time.
            1. DEPARTMENT
              DEPARTMENT April 1 2017 08: 41
              +8
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              Surround us from all sides, that's all

              Do not surround, but enclosed. "Patriot" is not "Iskander", this is air defense. A defense system, not an attack.
              However, you do not understand this. On people like you, I'm not going to waste time.

              I understand you professor, such as I am too tough for you ... I have immunity to brainwashing and I will tell you a secret (only to anyone) SUCH as I am in Russia and will soon be even more .. And we will fight to death, in case of what! Hi Netanyahu from Hesbollah ....
              1. Professor
                Professor April 1 2017 09: 28
                +3
                Quote: DEPARTMENT
                SUCH as I am in Russia and soon will be even more.

                I believe.
                A quarter of Russians said the rotation of the sun around the earth
                http://www.interfax.ru/russia/556219
            2. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad April 1 2017 15: 24
              +1
              Are universal launchers with missiles in nuclear equipment (until proven otherwise, considering the worst case) are defensive weapons?
            3. Serg662
              Serg662 April 1 2017 20: 58
              +2
              In what, a defensive system .... well, let's say. Please tell me why there was so much screeching when Iran wanted to buy the S-300?
            4. behemot
              behemot April 2 2017 16: 27
              +1
              Yes, and the American nuclear bombs in Germany are also purely defensive. And the NATO warriors along the borders with the Russian Federation are also purely defensive, but you don’t understand this. For understanding, there was such a leader, Hitler was called. He also led troops to the borders of the USSR, also defended himself. What ended up forgotten already? Or is it extinct from your history books?
        3. The black
          The black April 1 2017 08: 41
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          senses a threat, here it is arming itself.

          Agree that under the phrase "feels threatened" you can fit anything. wink . And the transfer of armored units to Poland does not fit in any way with "defensive" weapons ... although it can also be argued .. smile
          1. Professor
            Professor April 1 2017 10: 23
            0
            Quote: Black
            And the transfer of armored units to Poland does not fit in any way with "defensive" weapons ... although it can also be argued ..

            Tell us what happened in the beginning? Iskander or armored forces?

            PS
            I remember laying out a couple of years ago the news that the Americans completed the withdrawal from Europe of Abrams tanks and A-10 attack aircraft. There were good times though. Now Peskov says:
            Relations between Russia and the USA are worse than during the Cold War
            https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/2017/03/31
            / 683627-peskov
            1. APASUS
              APASUS April 1 2017 10: 42
              +8
              Quote: Professor
              Tell us what happened in the beginning? Iskander or armored forces?
              PS

              May I tell you. I hope that you will not deny that before the Iskanders it was decided to deploy SM-3 IIB interceptor missiles in Poland.
              And these missiles should be fished in Europe by North Korean missiles and missiles from Iran.
              Now imagine if we deploy anti-aircraft missiles in Cuba, for example, against the same North Korean missiles .....................
              1. Professor
                Professor April 1 2017 11: 08
                0
                Quote: APASUS
                May I tell you. I hope that you will not deny that earlier the Iskanders were accepted decision on the deployment of SM-3 IIB interceptor missiles in Poland

                So what was posted before? Facilities attack Iskanders or means attack tanks?

                Quote: APASUS
                And these missiles should be fished in Europe by North Korean missiles and missiles from Iran.

                Well, not ICBMs from Siberia? How much can you discuss this topic? The missile defense system in Europe is not capable of intercepting a single Russian missile. Take a look at the globe.

                Quote: APASUS
                Now imagine if we deploy anti-aircraft missiles in Cuba, for example, against the same North Korean missiles .....................

                1. Cuba is not on the flight path of an ICBM threatening Russia.
                2. Place if the Cubans do not mind. Americans will laugh so it will be a waste of money. US missiles will fly north, not south. hi
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS April 1 2017 11: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  So what was posted before? Means of attack Iskander or means of attack tanks?

                  That is, you do not consider the construction of an infrastructure for deploying missiles as something a serious step, well, you never know what mines began to dig?
                  Quote: Professor
                  Well, not ICBMs from Siberia? How much can you discuss this topic? The missile defense system in Europe is not capable of intercepting a single Russian missile. Take a look at the globe.

                  Interesting logic!
                  They don’t reach the Siberian missiles from Europe, but they are building to protect against missiles from North Korea and Iran, this is the official version.
                  You yourself then take a look at the globe where C Korea
                  Quote: Professor
                  2. Place if the Cubans do not mind. Americans will laugh so it will be a waste of money. US missiles will fly north, not south.

                  I think for all 100 that there will be no second "Caribbean crisis", there will be a war. It is so simple in words, but in reality ..................
                  1. Professor
                    Professor April 1 2017 11: 31
                    0
                    So what was posted before? Means of attack Iskander or means of attack tanks? Simple question. There will be no answer? wink

                    Quote: APASUS
                    They don’t reach the Siberian missiles from Europe, but they are building to protect against missiles from North Korea and Iran, this is the official version.
                    You yourself then take a look at the globe where C Korea

                    I looked. Just on the flight path of Iranian missiles. Just do not understand how this missile defense could threaten Russian ICBMs. Enlighten?

                    Quote: APASUS
                    I think for all 100 that there will be no second "Caribbean crisis", there will be a war. It is so simple in words, but in reality ..................

                    And I think that Kremlin dreamers know how to count money and understand that missile defense in Cuba is money down the drain.
                    1. Polite Moose
                      Polite Moose April 1 2017 12: 12
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      I looked. Just on the flight path of Iranian missiles. Just do not understand how this missile defense could threaten Russian ICBMs. Enlighten?

                      Quote: Professor
                      And I think that Kremlin dreamers know how to count money and understand that missile defense in Cuba is money down the drain.

                      Oleg! hi
                      All of what you said is true, provided that the TPK of the American and Russian air defense / missile defense systems will contain exactly air defense / missile defense missiles. There is a potential possibility of replacing missiles with shock missiles. There are also modes of operation of air defense systems on ground targets. If there is a corresponding warhead, the threat is more than serious. So, the issue of flight paths, in this case, is more likely to be suitable for lectures at military universities. hi
                      And about the eternal question: "What happened before?" then definitely America-Poland started first with the anti-Iranian / anti-Korean Patriots. We, with the current situation in the economy, are not at all in a hurry to escalate tensions near our borders and are spending on an arms race. Only forced measures.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor April 1 2017 12: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Polite Elk
                        All of what you said is true, provided that the TPK of the American and Russian air defense / missile defense systems will contain exactly air defense / missile defense missiles. There is a potential possibility of replacing missiles with shock missiles. There are also modes of operation of air defense systems on ground targets. If there is a corresponding warhead, the threat is more than serious. So, the issue of flight paths, in this case, is more likely to be suitable for lectures at military universities.

                        1. What missiles will the interceptors be replaced with?
                        2. Russian military observers will not notice this?
                        3. Shock rockets have nowhere else to place besides the mines?
                        There are no answers to these questions, but only fears on the verge of paranoia.

                        The Kremlin has achieved its goal. The arms race has begun. Now the military budgets of NATO countries will grow to a statutory 2% of GDP.

                        Quote: Polite Elk
                        And about the eternal question: "What happened before?" then definitely America-Poland started first with the anti-Iranian / anti-Korean Patriots. We, with the current situation in the economy, are not at all in a hurry to escalate tensions near our borders and are spending on an arms race. Only forced measures.

                        So what was posted before? Facilities attack Iskanders or means attack tanks?
                    2. APASUS
                      APASUS April 1 2017 15: 51
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      I looked. Just on the flight path of Iranian missiles.

                      Am I missing something? When Iran began to border Europe or all countries should close their eyes to the launches of Iranian missiles and the passage over their territory, what do you say? You are an adult and it is not for me to explain to you that the Iranian missile defense system should be located in Turkey.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Just do not understand how this missile defense could threaten Russian ICBMs. Enlighten?

                      I'll even show you

                      What are the guarantees that in a universal launcher there will be anti-missiles in a couple of years, and not an offensive type of missiles?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor April 1 2017 16: 30
                        0
                        Quote: APASUS
                        Am I missing something? When Iran began to border Europe or all countries should close their eyes to the launches of Iranian missiles and the passage over their territory, what do you say? You are an adult and it is not for me to explain to you that the Iranian missile defense system should be located in Turkey.

                        Since when are the requirements for a missile defense system located in the next country?

                        Would you buy a globe or something and see that Turkey is not on the flight path of missiles from Iran to the United States.

                        Quote: APASUS
                        What are the guarantees that in a universal launcher there will be anti-missiles in a couple of years, and not an offensive type of missiles?

                        For example, what?

                        PS
                        So what was posted before? Means of attack Iskander or means of attack tanks?
            2. The black
              The black April 2 2017 08: 53
              0
              [quote] "Tell me what happened at the beginning / quote]
              In the beginning He created the Elohim heaven and earth laughing
        4. Winnie76
          Winnie76 April 1 2017 09: 31
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          This is due to completely different known factors. For example, here are such comments at all levels:

          Yes, Professor. You can not constantly be rude and expect that it will be swallowed. Sooner or later, the fist will overtake a brazen face.
        5. just exp
          just exp April 1 2017 11: 52
          +4
          why does Israel, when it comes to the S-300 for Iran, no longer consider SAMs to be defensive weapons?
          1. Professor
            Professor April 1 2017 12: 02
            +1
            Quote: just EXPL
            why does Israel, when it comes to the S-300 for Iran, no longer consider SAMs to be defensive weapons?

            Poland (unlike Iran) does not threaten to erase Russia from the punishment of the world.
            Poland (unlike Iran) does not supply weapons and “advisers” to the war with Russia.
            Polish proxies (unlike Iran) do not commit acts of terrorism against Russians.
            1. Stanislas
              Stanislas April 1 2017 13: 53
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              just exp
              why does Israel, when it comes to the S-300 for Iran, no longer consider SAMs to be defensive weapons?

              Poland (unlike Iran) does not threaten to erase Russia from the punishment of the world.
              Poland (unlike Iran) does not supply weapons and “advisers” to the war with Russia.
              Accidentally put a plus not just exploit, but to you, although your answer to minus pulls. Poland was still bustling about in Ukraine, it helped Georgia, the barmaleis of all kinds pulled themselves away: everything is against Russia. It was not the Russians who went to the West to teach the Raguli a good life, but the Uniates went back to the East, and Poland still helps them. And the fact that Israel and the USA and England in the BV made outrage - Shiite persecution, the policy of state terrorism - so Iran needs to somehow react.
            2. not main
              not main April 1 2017 20: 40
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Poland (unlike Iran) does not threaten to erase Russia from the punishment of the world.
              Poland (unlike Iran) does not supply weapons and “advisers” to the war with Russia.
              Polish proxies (unlike Iran) do not commit acts of terrorism against Russians.

              Are you sure about that? Look at Poland and Ukraine and you will have enlightenment! Although it is unlikely that you have the whole world to blame, and Russia is in the front row!
            3. just exp
              just exp April 2 2017 06: 19
              +1
              why Iran should not promise to erase you from the world map if you have been calling for decades the whole world to bomb Iran simply because it did not bow to you.
              1. Professor
                Professor April 2 2017 07: 38
                0
                Quote: just EXPL
                why Iran should not promise to erase you from the world map if you have been calling for decades the whole world to bomb Iran simply because it did not bow to you.

                This is a lie and your Wishlist. Israel did not call the whole world to bomb Iran simply because it did not bow to us, but the Islamic State of Iran officially threatened to erase Israel from the world map.
        6. Talgat
          Talgat April 1 2017 20: 39
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          Poland feels a threat, so it is arming itself. In this case, a defensive weapon.


          But this is a lie and hypocrisy!

          Who do you want to trick? The United States puts a missile defense system around the borders of the Russian Federation with the goal of nullifying its strategic nuclear forces and gaining superiority - and possibly (and very) for an unpunished first strike

          But all these patriots in Poland will become targets for the Iskanders - if the aggressor tries all the same, then the Iskanders will strike before the Russian mbr
    3. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug April 1 2017 08: 11
      +1
      US wants Poland to install missile defense at our borders
      Patriots are pulling on missile defense. It seems that the states want to defend elements of missile defense in Poland for money zheks.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina April 1 2017 09: 25
        +7
        Guys, tell me why, when I read the posts of a professor, my hand automatically searches for a holster?
        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 April 1 2017 09: 40
          +5
          Quote: sabakina
          Guys, tell me why, when I read the posts of a professor, my hand automatically searches for a holster?

          It's nothing. My facial muscles are reduced in an animal grin. Only a steel spoon and a glass of tamagon save. good
        2. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT April 1 2017 09: 46
          +6
          Quote: sabakina
          Guys, tell me why, when I read the posts of a professor, my hand automatically searches for a holster?

          These are genes, I know by myself ... I already broke one monitor and got a heart attack .. wink They count on it, but I'm calm as a boa constrictor now! Yes professor ..? wink
          1. cost
            cost April 2 2017 05: 23
            +2
            THE DEPARTMENT: These are genes, I know by myself ... I already broke one monitor and got a heart attack .. They count on it, but now I'm calm as a boa constrictor! Yes professor ..?

        3. Alex_Tug
          Alex_Tug April 1 2017 18: 55
          0
          Guys, tell me why, when I read the posts of a professor, my hand automatically searches for a holster?
          I'm glad you have a holster.
        4. mercaptan
          mercaptan April 2 2017 15: 24
          0
          because evil must be punished!
    4. Victor N
      Victor N April 1 2017 17: 27
      0
      As a bonus, Russia will deliver the Iskander division with a fixed self-destruct function at launch for free.
    5. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell April 1 2017 22: 15
      +6
      Really bad news. The Baltic BaltNet will be used as an early warning, when distributing, God forbid, they will start with it, and then about and air defense in Poland.
      Yesterday I returned from Poland, the Poles themselves are in shock, as the company Kaczynski / Matsarevich & co. got into the government. In conversation, they are outraged that they are "bent" because of the interests of mattress mats.
  2. DEPARTMENT
    DEPARTMENT April 1 2017 07: 31
    +6
    Already no one and nothing will save pshek ...
    1. The black
      The black April 1 2017 07: 50
      +3
      Shaw, and Iran threatens the Poles? smile...
      "Euro-missile defense has never been directed against Russia. It is being created to repel threats from the Middle East." - deputy. US Secretary of Defense (2015) laughing .... lying NATO muzzles
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT April 1 2017 07: 58
        +7
        Quote: Black
        Shaw, and Iran threatens the Poles? smile...
        "Euro-missile defense has never been directed against Russia. It is being created to repel threats from the Middle East." - deputy. US Secretary of Defense (2015) laughing .... lying NATO muzzles

        I have a wife with Polish blood, I know their nature ...)))) I will arrange for her now ..
        1. The black
          The black April 1 2017 08: 05
          +2
          I have a wife with Polish blood, I know their nature ...)))) I will arrange for her now ..

          Look, I’ll write to the prosecutor’s office wassat ...
          1. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT April 1 2017 08: 27
            +3
            Quote: Black
            I have a wife with Polish blood, I know their nature ...)))) I will arrange for her now ..

            Look, I’ll write to the prosecutor’s office wassat ...

            As if I myself didn’t have to run to the prosecutor’s office escaping from an angry fury ..)))) wassat (joke) Beautiful bitch ....
          2. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 April 1 2017 09: 43
            +1
            Quote: Black
            Look, I’ll write to the prosecutor’s office

            There is a bearded anecdote on how to get rid of a harmful wife, I will give only the essence of it - for .... to love to death. The prosecutor's office is powerless against this. fellow
        2. Tersky
          Tersky April 1 2017 12: 47
          +4
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          I have a wife with Polish blood, I know their nature ...)))) I will arrange for her now ..

          good yeah ... right yes and for Ivan Susanin for one, remind. But before you arrange a rolling pin and pans, hide MANDATORY. And then who knows, not the Patriot, of course, but still ..... laughing
    2. cost
      cost April 2 2017 22: 58
      +1
      DEPARTMENT: Already no one and nothing will save psheks ...

      But from this place in more detail. Do not be lazy, answer. From what will not save, dear?
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 1 2017 07: 45
    +1
    Polish officials here speak like talking heads

    I also tend to this. Moreover, Poland is a conductor of US ideas in the EU. But they are device-friendly in relation to Russia completely and obviously irrevocably.
  4. askort154
    askort154 April 1 2017 07: 52
    0
    Trump's "commercial vein" is beginning to appear. Now they will force all NATO countries to allocate 2% of GDP for the purchase of US military-industrial complex products. The Poles, as always, strive to be the first to turn backside before the Anglo-Saxons.
  5. NUR
    NUR April 1 2017 08: 01
    +1
    Yes, let the Poles not fork out. Especially f-35 let them take more.
  6. matak4b
    matak4b April 1 2017 08: 01
    0
    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    Already no one and nothing will save pshek ...



    Why not save? And from whom it will not save?
    1. Professor
      Professor April 1 2017 08: 09
      +6
      Quote: matak4b
      Why not save? And from whom it will not save?

      From couch troops. This is one of those who believe that this Sun revolves around the Earth. fellow
      http://www.interfax.ru/russia/556219
      1. matak4b
        matak4b April 1 2017 17: 21
        +1
        Oleg, you are great
    2. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT April 1 2017 08: 48
      +6
      Quote: matak4b
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      Already no one and nothing will save pshek ...

      Why not save? And from whom it will not save?

      From the Arabs of course, they will flee from the west, while the Poles, etc. dig in and wait for the "invasion of the evil Russian" .. But it will be so!
      1. cost
        cost April 2 2017 23: 10
        +1
        where does Poland expect the invasion of the "evil Russians"? And where are the Poles dug in? Do you even imagine a map of the world? Theoretically, Russia can attack Poland only from the Baltic Sea and from the Kaliningrad region. You, no comment is simply a “masterpiece of tactics and strategy” in the best traditions of Sharikov. Why are you terribly catching up on the forum?

  7. The comment was deleted.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 1 2017 09: 18
      +3
      Vasya Vasin_3 forgot the last verse of "The Last Opposition Romance"?
      "The most honest Alyosha will go to the presidency,"
      "The smartest Ilyusha will return home" ...
      Comments flicker habitually creakles,
      The State Department launches wave after wave.
      It seems to end like this. Let it be for now.
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 April 1 2017 09: 48
      +2
      What a delight. The brothers survive the non-brotherly Russian people. Already can not eat. One thing is not clear to me. Why do they go to us guest workers, and not vice versa. After all, salaries, as you know, in Eurogabogo.
    3. Alexaner Arier
      Alexaner Arier April 1 2017 11: 38
      +2
      Western Ukrainian ukronacism destroyed that Ukraine which remained after the collapse of the USSR and now the Russian regions and western Ukraine will diverge due to different languages, cultures and history. and take into account that the Russian population of Ukraine is the vast majority.
  8. Rabinowicz
    Rabinowicz April 1 2017 08: 33
    0
    This is a defensive weapon, not an offensive one.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 1 2017 08: 44
      +4
      Quote: Rabinovich
      This is a defensive weapon, not an offensive one.

      Given what covers the deployment of US missile defense systems in Poland and the Czech Republic, which are uniquely directed against Russia?
    2. Қarabas
      Қarabas April 1 2017 09: 04
      +3
      Quote: Rabinovich
      This is a defensive weapon, not an offensive one.


      Defensive weapons that will cover the offensive, which is directed against Russia.
      As for Israel, you even bomb in a neighboring country, explaining that de-advanced weapons will fall to Hezbollah, you are opposed to delivering a defensive S-300 to Iran, because it is threatening you, but then you don’t see what’s why. Defensive, yeah ..
      1. Rabinowicz
        Rabinowicz April 1 2017 09: 15
        0
        I meant it. But the C300 was still delivered to Iran, and it was said that this was for defense and was not worried about anything.
    3. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 1 2017 09: 48
      +2
      Quote: Rabinovich
      This is a defensive weapon, not an offensive one.

      And then what they squealed about the S-300 complexes for Iran, theirs in Cyprus? AND? Could you tell?
      1. Rabinowicz
        Rabinowicz April 1 2017 10: 12
        +1
        "Squealing" but you did not pay attention to it.
        1. Alexaner Arier
          Alexaner Arier April 1 2017 11: 29
          +3
          Well, you see, cunning izya, defensive weapons are needed to cover the offensive. if there is an offensive, but it is.
  9. prior
    prior April 1 2017 08: 40
    +2
    Poland is the place where, until the first serious mess, the Poles are still compactly living.
    Just a little, and in place of Poland - the desert, and instead of the Poles - radioactive ashes.
    And all this is the American missile defense and Patriot.
    With a celebration of Pana and Panyanka, with a day of humor and laughter.
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 1 2017 09: 05
    +1
    Now in Kaliningrad everything will be shot through not only on the ground, but also in the air.
    In addition, the complexes will cover the deployment areas of shock international corps.
    I wonder what kind of radar these anti-aircraft guns will be? I won’t be surprised that at least a part, but these will be the latest latest radars for the Patriot system.
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 1 2017 09: 44
    +1
    Matserevich, who said that "you can’t sit back waiting for direct Russian aggression."

    ... but didn’t try to jump? ukronatsiki say helps laughing
  12. biserino
    biserino April 1 2017 10: 17
    +1
    UTB for defense and UTB Russian does not concern, if you are not going to something.
    1. Alexaner Arier
      Alexaner Arier April 1 2017 11: 11
      +2
      this is war. and she goes a long time. There is a confrontation between the United States, China and the United States of America.
      And Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states are consumables. Vasala states that always belonged to someone and always worked for the interests of the owners.
      small countries are not self-sufficient and can exist only by choosing the owner and working for his interests.
      Poland, by the way, is caring, and they got into a confrontation with the European Union precisely because they realized that Poland was degenerating. especially many Poles left for England, because of the choice in Poland, in fact, the second state English. only in England from 3 to 5 million Poles, it’s difficult to accurately calculate because many people live and work illegally. and England is going to expel most of it precisely because they do not live in the legal field and such a quantity of working cattle is simply not necessary.
  13. Alexaner Arier
    Alexaner Arier April 1 2017 10: 58
    +4
    really someone thinks that Poland rises ???
    So I live in Germany and our Poles do not decrease but arrive.
    with a high probability, seeing how many Poles we have in Germany and taking into account all the countries of old Europe, I can assume that more than half of the population left Poland.
    Of course, they will keep their Polish passports and Poland considers them to be their population when counting, but these people and especially their children have not been a population of Poland for a long time and will never return to Poland.
    and so many people are leaving Poland and other countries, Europe’s ass is available because there are no prospects for a normal life. development and improvement is fiction and propaganda, and it shows a macro-process of population loss.
    the management of these countries takes place through the created and funded new elite that serves not the country and the people, but those who pay.
    purchases of billions of new weapons by Poland are impossible without financing; today nobody will finance Poland. and the future is unlikely that something will change. at least some army was actually created by Poland in Europe. for a buffer on the border. but the Polish army is armed mediocre, on the basis of mediocre sufficiency.
    Poland has no money and never will have money for the purchase of superior weapons. the Polish state will degenerate and remain with 10 million people.
  14. Black_Vatnik
    Black_Vatnik April 1 2017 11: 07
    +2
    Question to nowhere. So does anyone understand that these movers are turning Poland into a target for Russian Strategic Rocket Forces?
    So openly offering yourself the role of cannon fodder to cover the ass of the United States ... this talent is needed.
  15. cergey51046
    cergey51046 April 1 2017 11: 20
    0
    Are Poland really ruled by some “stupid people - DB” who don’t understand that if anything, they will be the first to be burned in the fire of war. I do not understand the inhabitants, they become hostages voluntarily.
  16. shans2
    shans2 April 1 2017 12: 16
    0
    This dull piece is not even able to bring down UAVs if it is hiding behind Russian electronic warfare, Israel felt it on itself))
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 1 2017 16: 28
      0
      Do not console yourself with such thoughts.
      1. shans2
        shans2 April 1 2017 16: 51
        0
        Well, you can whisper and creak, from this the greatness of Russia and the insignificance of Israel will not change). Allah Akbar) wassat laughing
  17. Dark1
    Dark1 April 1 2017 13: 41
    0
    And so clearly, NATO is preparing a war against Russia! They want to chop off Kaliningrad, and Patriot them for our planes!
  18. NordUral
    NordUral April 1 2017 16: 28
    0
    It seems to me that it is necessary to read this way: at the hidden request of the State Department and the US Department of Defense, Poland "asked" to send ...
  19. APASUS
    APASUS April 1 2017 17: 40
    +1

    Quote: Professor
    Since when are the requirements for a missile defense system located in a neighboring country?
    Would you buy a globe or something and see that Turkey is not on the flight path of missiles from Iran to the United States.

    Since the start and acceleration of the rocket is the weak point, and when the accelerating blocks fall into heads and dummies, it’s more difficult to shoot them down at the supersonic speed. Are you not aware or are you playing everything on April 1?
    Quote: Professor
    For example, what?

    None, here’s a paradox. The Americans don’t want to give ordinary guarantees that these systems will not be used against us, and talking about a system of execution and control is generally ridiculous.
    Quote: Professor
    So what was posted before? Means of attack Iskander or means of attack tanks?

    I already wrote, well, what to repeat then?
    The ceremony in connection with this event took place on the morning of 28.10.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX at a military base in the Romanian city of Deveselu.
    In accordance with the agreement between the United States and Romania on ballistic missile defense, the Aegis US multi-purpose anti-aircraft missile system equipped with Standard 3 interceptor missiles (SM3) will be deployed in this place.

    In Poland, in the village of Redzikovo, 11/05/2016, preliminary work began on the construction of a US missile defense base.

    Perhaps you consider the construction of military missile bases a peacekeeping operation?
    1. Professor
      Professor April 2 2017 10: 20
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Since the start and acceleration of the rocket is the weak point, and when the accelerating blocks fall into heads and dummies, it’s more difficult to shoot them down at the supersonic speed. Are you not aware or are you playing everything on April 1?

      ... and therefore the Americans deployed missile defense in Alaska. Haha This is precisely "the start and acceleration of a rocket." laughing

      Quote: APASUS
      None, here’s a paradox. The Americans don’t want to give ordinary guarantees that these systems will not be used against us, and talking about a system of execution and control is generally ridiculous.

      What kind of missiles can Americans deploy in mines instead of interceptors? Model? I asked you this question.

      Quote: APASUS
      I already wrote, well, what to repeat then?

      Looks like I missed your direct answer to such a simple question. Would it not be difficult for you to repeat it for me?
      So what was posted before? Facilities attack Iskanders or means attack tanks?

      Quote: APASUS
      Perhaps you consider the construction of military missile bases a peacekeeping operation?

      In the Kaliningrad region, Russia deployed its air defense / missile defense assets again before it was deployed in Poland and Romania. Forgot again? Or do you consider the construction of military missile bases a peacekeeping operation? wink
      The US Air Force is concerned about the deployment of modern Russian air defense systems in the Kaliningrad region, which is an exclave located between Poland and Lithuania. Moscow began to deploy S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems manufactured by Almaz-Antey Concern in an isolated Baltic territory even in 2012 yearas evidenced by Russian media reports.

      http://www.3world-war.su/geopolitika/1247-komplek
      sy-pvo-s-400-v-kaliningradskoj-oblasti.html
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 2 2017 11: 18
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        Quote: Professor
        ... and therefore the Americans deployed missile defense in Alaska. Haha This is precisely "the start and acceleration of a rocket."

        And what actually didn’t suit you?
        designed to destroy warheads of ballistic missiles of small, medium and intercontinental radius of action both in outer space and in the atmosphere on different parts of the trajectory.
        National Missile Defense, NMD

        Small, medium radius, intercontinental missile blocks. Further, as I understand it, launches with submarines.
        Quote: Professor
        What kind of missiles can Americans deploy in mines instead of interceptors? Model? I asked you this question.

        As soon as the model is reported to me, I will immediately come to you.
        Replacing a missile interceptor with a missile capable of carrying nuclear weapons is a big technical problem, but then I realized we won’t agree.
        Quote: Professor
        So what was posted before? Means of attack Iskander or means of attack tanks?

        The Iskanders were placed on the reluctance to give guarantees of the use of missile defense systems, it turned out that these systems are not very suitable for covering from threats from Korea and Iran, however far.
        But you persistently repeat to me about tanks and Iskadars and without noticing the third component!
        Quote: Professor
        The US Air Force is concerned about the deployment of modern Russian air defense systems in the Kaliningrad region, which is an exclave located between Poland and Lithuania. Moscow began to deploy the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems manufactured by the Almaz-Antey concern in the isolated Baltic territory back in 2012, as evidenced by Russian media reports.

        An interesting situation.
        Only our S-400 Triumph systems pose a threat to the whole world, why there wasn’t such a statement from the Russian side about the deployment of Patriot air defense systems (MIM-104A based on Fort Greeley Alaska, maybe because this is American territory
        1. Professor
          Professor April 2 2017 11: 45
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          Quote: APASUS
          And what actually didn’t suit you?

          This:

          in different parts of the trajectory.

          Since then, that it is rocket launch and acceleration that is the weak point, and when the accelerating blocks break up into heads and dummies, it’s more difficult to hit them with supersonic speed.

          Quote: APASUS
          Replacing a missile interceptor with a missile capable of carrying nuclear weapons is a big technical problem, but then I realized we won’t agree.

          So there are no such missiles, but in theory they can be? wink That's when they will then talk.

          Quote: APASUS
          The Iskanders were placed on the reluctance to give guarantees of the use of missile defense systems, it turned out that these systems are not very suitable for covering from threats from Korea and Iran, however far.
          But you persistently repeat to me about tanks and Iskadars and without noticing the third component!

          Thank you. American tanks howled posted in response to the deployment of Russian Iskanders. For a long time you answered. hi
          You can talk about the third component separately, as well as about the fact that it has not yet appeared despite the Russian deployment of the S-400 in 2012.
          Perhaps you consider the construction of military missile bases a peacekeeping operation? wink

          Quote: APASUS
          Only our S-400 Triumph systems pose a threat to the whole world, why there wasn’t such a statement from the Russian side about the deployment of Patriot air defense systems (MIM-104A based on Fort Greeley Alaska, maybe because this is American territory

          American missile defense also does not pose a threat to the whole world. They do not pose a threat even to Russian ICBMs. However, it is about deploying missile defense systems in Europe, not air defense in Alaska. EMNIP then S-400 is also a missile defense system. Forgot? Designed to destroy almost all modern and promising means of aerospace attack.
          Europeans even expressed concern about the deployment of the S-400 in 2012 (see link above), but the Kremlin ignored their concern. What are you now wondering? American tanks? I won’t be surprised if the ancient Pershing returned to Europe.
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  21. 72jora72
    72jora72 April 2 2017 16: 22
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    Quote: Professor
    Poland feels a threat, so it is arming itself. In this case, a defensive weapon.

    I hope Psheks will start knocking on their pants from the mere mention of the Russians.
  22. behemot
    behemot April 2 2017 16: 22
    0
    Where people are kind, there and Manka is crooked!
    And this F-35 is necessary. Well buy buy. Ukrainians do not need a way? Donbass terrorists fight?