The first Chinese aircraft carrier

A selection of photos of the first Chinese aircraft carrier without comment
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Comments

[tronin.maxim]

Hmm, and when this one was our VARIAG, it is a pity that he does not stand in line with Kuznetsov. It’s a pity the past cannot be returned!

[Tatars]

After all, Ukrainians sell everything just to fill wallets

[does it]

(After all, Ukrainians sell everything just to fill their wallets) if my memory serves me right, we asked Ukraine to sell this aircraft carrier to us, even more expensive than its current price, Ukrainians refused to sell it to us and sold China ...

[Professor]

But soon the economic crisis in the former republics of the Union also made itself felt at ChSZ - the supply of cable was disrupted by the Amurkabel and Azovkabel enterprises, which, in turn, did not receive raw materials from Uzbekistan. Then there were problems with pricing and its impact on the cost of building the ship. Moreover, as always happens during the periods of the collapse of large states, this was accompanied by collapse in the economy, rising prices and galloping inflation. True, despite the termination of funding (IV quarter of 1991), the Black Sea Shipyard (General Director Yu.I. Makarov) completed the TAVKR at its own expense, hoping that Moscow would later reimburse costs (more than 700 million US dollars in 1980 prices gg.). However, the former Soviet republics that became independent did not show any interest in completing the Varyag. Russia, which declared in 1993 its readiness to finish building the ship, also did nothing for this, limiting itself to futile negotiations. In particular, according to Varyag, it was proposed to create a special government (interstate) body with extraordinary powers, which would coordinate the completion of the cruiser. For its inspection delegations from Moscow and Kiev came to Nikolaev. But neither the one nor the other in the new conditions had the means to complete such a complex ship. Therefore, in March 1995, Russia officially refused to finance the construction of Varyag, transferring it to ChSZ on account of debts to the enterprise.

[Sokol peruna]

Russia in 1995 officially refused to buy the Varangian due to lack of funds and transferred it to ChSZ in repayment of debts to the enterprise. After considering various options for the disposal of the ship, which was at 67% readiness, including the possibility of using it as a floating spaceport, Ukraine finally decided to sell the unfinished aircraft carrier abroad. Based on the results of 1997-1998. international tender, the winner was a Chinese company registered in Macau. Varyag was sold by the State Property Fund of Ukraine for only $ 20 million.

Judging by the second photo, the Chinese have no AWACS aircraft

[Kudrev]

Your memory changes you. Russia refused to not only finish building the Varangian in Nikolaev (which the Ukrainian side insisted on), but even refused to buy a building to finish building on Sevmash. Russia said that it now has no enemies, and this pile of iron is useless to it. What was left for Ukraine? Completing your own is absolutely unrealistic and NOT NEEDED. It occupies a place near the expansion wall; current expenses are huge. They sold it. Now blow the snot and gnaw your elbows ...

[Splin]

I fully support it. Under Yeltsin, the Russian army almost became a kirdyk. What aircraft carrier ?! It's good that combat bombers were bought for debts. And then a part, otherwise they would have been cut. Now it all seems so as if Ukraine balked. Not a fig. Both countries were good. It just cost them a million dollars a year to support the corps. In the 90s, Ukraine had where to spend it. He was not the last one. 20 million was then a good price for metalol in the form of a case. And the most important thing is that the Chinese are great! They broke their promise to build a barge from it for the money bags and completed the post of the aircraft carrier. They went there, unofficially, of course, and the Nikolaev specialists helped in finishing the construction. So they had experience. It is more profitable for Russia to build hulls in Ukraine than to suffer as with "Indian alteration"

[Wolkin]

http://www.ruscenter.info/index.php/2010-09-28-04-43-41/691-2011-02-19-05-14-13.
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Here is a list of a loyal, sold, surrendered to the enemy combat, serviceable, powerful Soviet (then Russian) fleet. According to experts who made this list public through the newspaper Versiya (No. 3, 2004), "many of these ships did not even serve half the deadline, and left for ridiculous money."

Be patient, and, without glancing at your eyes, and glaring at every line, read this memorial list of our fleet, our power, our strength, our pride, our national respect, our strength, money, sweat, mind. The names of some ships are abbreviated. Prices are in thousands of US dollars:

Guard ships
The patrol ship Valiant - 69,54 thousand US dollars
The escort ship Zorkiy - 227,5
The patrol ship "Strict" - 316,5
The guard ship "Steregushchiy" - 314,16
Sentinel Sentinel - 292,56
The ferocious escort ship - 97,79
Destroyers
Torpedo destroyer - 173,9
Attentive destroyer - 117,99
Torpedo destroyer Squadron - 225
Destroyer destroyer "Indestructible" - 216
The angry destroyer destroyer 363

Large anti-submarine ships
Large anti-submarine ship "Khabarovsk" - 579,6
Large anti-submarine ship "Yumashev" - 468
Large anti-submarine ship "Makarov" - 516
Large anti-submarine ship "Isachenkov" - 514,25
Large anti-submarine ship "Isakov" - 496,1
Large anti-submarine ship Smyshlenny - 189,57
Large anti-submarine ship "Chapaev" - 744
Large anti-submarine ship "October" - 724,8
Large anti-submarine ship "Vladivostok" - 1083,77

Cruisers
RKZ "Zozulya" - 756
RKR "Fokin" - 543,4
KR "Murmansk" - 1718,87
Heavy aircraft cruiser Minsk - 4236,7
Heavy aircraft cruiser Novorossiysk - 3832,34
Heavy aircraft cruiser "Kiev" - about 1800 (sold in 2000)

Landing and reconnaissance ships
LDK "Muromets" - 97,28
BDK "Illichiv" - 242,5
BDK-47 - 248,9
BZRK "Transcarpathia" - 192,24
MRZK Ilmen - 3180,39
CER “Sarychev” - 113,24
CER "Primorye" - 150,48
CER "Chelyuskin" - 114,59
WWS "Transbaikalia" - 207,99

Floating shops, floating workshops and measuring ships
PB-27 - 252,52
PM-147 - 161,7
PM-150 - 181,22
CFC "Spassk" - 868,5
CFC "Chumikan" - 1544
KIK-357 - 205

Do you know how much was received for the "sale" of this gigantic armada, most of which did not serve half the term? Less than 30 million dollars. Building one destroyer costs exactly 10 times more expensive. And how in a hurry to sell! Minsk and Novorossiysk did not even dismantle secret equipment from aircraft carriers of the Pacific Fleet.
Yuri Skurlatov

[Sokol peruna]

The only ship sold at a normal price is the Anadyr Project R-765 Aircraft Dock. However, at the time of the sale, the ship was actually out of order and needed serious repairs. There were two ways out: either the Russian side makes repairs and sells Anadyr for $ 26 million, or the price of the ship decreases exactly by the amount of repairs - $ 4,8 million. In 1994, Anadyr was sold for 21 million 285 thousand dollars. Rear Admiral Yuri KLICHUGIN, who made this deal in 1996, was accused of exceeding his official powers and causing a large amount of material damage to the state. In 2003, he was found guilty and sentenced to imprisonment for 4 years and 6 months. Released from serving the sentence under an amnesty. In 2004, he was dismissed from the army upon reaching retirement age. In the same year, the Ministry of Defense filed a lawsuit against Klichugin demanding to reimburse the state 4,8 million dollars. In 2006, the Ministry of Defense won the lawsuit. In May 2007, the first 10 rubles were withheld from the retirement of Rear Admiral (10 thousand 18 rubles 4 kopecks) in favor of the state.

[755962]

But our aerofinishers did not sell! In mid-December 2011, it was reported that China had requested from Russia the supply of four sets of aerofinishers for the Shi Lan aircraft carrier. The Russian side refused to sell this equipment, explaining the refusal by the fact that aerofinishers are strategic systems. Some experts have suggested that Russia refused to sell aerofinishers, fearing that China would copy this equipment and use it on its promising aircraft carriers.

[Wolkin]

I confirm! The development of these systems was very difficult for designers and scientists. But on the other hand, this policy is visible, because a lot has been handed over for a penny.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Yes, of course, handsome! It is felt, of course, that our ship’s architecture is dear .......... God forbid the development program of the Russian Navy will be implemented .................

[Eugene]

It’s painful to watch ...

[Old prdun]

Give them a finisher? They sit on the airplanes with a mob and brake. Here's a problem with the starter: with every take-off, at least a thousand Chinese will earn hernias. Is it a joke: a fighter must be kicked overboard, but not into the water.

[core]

excessive emotions. Russia would not have pulled two aircraft carriers then, and now it’s not worth it to tear the vein. Kuznetsov most of the time stands at the wall and generates motor resources. at the moment you need to be realistic. and build a fleet, and not squander money on expensive toys like aircraft carriers, for the sake of what would be, like everyone else.

[Focuser]

She pulled it, she didn’t pull it. Gorshkov somehow survived in Russia. And Kuse cap. repair has long been needed, that's why it stands against the wall .. There, I went to tugs with Syria .. Yes, and aircraft carriers are needed not for what it HAPPENED, but to go down to the shores of the same Syria, cool the heads of the USA and allies to cool .. Maybe they would go to Iran, who knows .. and next to Japan they held exercises to cool the Japs to the islands ... Well, the Su-33 would be riveted more if two aircraft carrier from the country

[Hleb]

An excellent photo review. In addition, they would write how many units of the aircraft the carrier needs to escort, service and guard. These are submarines and patrol ships, frigates, cruisers, service and repair ships ..

[azgard13]

Well what can I say, well done Chinese and their rulers are far-sighted, but you can't say the same about two "our" dwarfs ...

[Born in USSR]

In my opinion, the initial draft of an air defense ship with a numbed 300 is preferable

[wown]

what kind of foam at the mouth ???????? a ship that is already 30 years old! how much longer will he stretch? and is there enough money to create an aircraft carrier group? and why do they need a carrier cruiser?

[Professor]

Not the ship, but the 30 hull of years with which by the way, nothing happened over the years. American aircraft carriers go for more than a year.
And they have enough money, the rabsila is cheap. And for what we will need it, we will find out when they will reinforce their claims on minerals of the Arctic Ocean with an aircraft carrier group.

[Foamas]

Quote: professor

Claims for minerals of the Arctic Arctic will be reinforced by the aircraft carrier group

Exactly, the color is white, apparently a winter camouflage ...
The review should be completed with an image * bright future *

[Eugene]

I’m not a specialist, but I suspect that he will last 20 years, and the Chinese will figure out what's going on with their construction during this time.

[Argentum]

With such a coloring, the ship is handsome, ours is worse (meaning coloring)
And the Chinese are like parasites, which they don’t let them copy right away.

[Lustrator]

Quote: professor

And for what we will need it, we will find out when they will reinforce their claims on minerals of the Arctic Ocean with an aircraft carrier group.

The Chinese hegemon seeks to enslave and rule :) There is no choice, like Japan many years ago. Otherwise, the economy will bend.

Yes, poor thing. I saw him with my own eyes many years ago. Well, at least it will come in handy, since Russia is not needed (rollback and cut everywhere rules the mores of the estates). Such a technique should not be idle, it has a soul, they say, it is - common, from the strength of all those who took part in the design and construction.
Let the owners of Omerika worry - this is clearly a weapon against them.

[biglow]

even if there is only one farm left from Russia, it will nevertheless rejoice to its former greatness. gogol

[master joker]

It’s a pity that such ships were lost: Minsk, Kiev, Novorossiysk, Gorshkov, Varyag, Ulyanovsk (unfinished) —the entire Soviet legacy was lost, it’s very disappointing for our leadership the former and the present)))

[gladiatorakz]

It's a pity these cities have lost: Minsk, Kiev.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

I'm interested in the Chinese changed the composition of the weapons on it. Did the Granites remove ........ although they do not interfere there and the hangar cannot be expanded at the expense of them

[Professor]

The hangar is not so easy to expand, it is surrounded by an 200-mm armored belt.

[ymNIK1970]

Those who sold this and other ships must be forced to sterilize, so that they would not produce inferior fights.

[Focuser]

Mdaa .. It’s a pity that it all happened. The ship is very elegant and somehow unpleasant to see such beauty among the Chinese. For a couple with Kuzey, they would have looked rather robust. And the reason to release more MiG-29K and Su-33 for Russia would be a train

[nik8863]

Quote: biglow

even if only one farm remains from Russia, it will nevertheless be reborn to its former greatness. gogol

Bravo, biglow. Exactly! And together with fraternal Ukraine and Belarus. Otherwise, the "wise" uncles of the united states of America will finish us in turn and sang along from Great Britain. Moreover, not necessarily by military force. Now bombs do not seem to be falling on their heads, but mortality is off scale, and young people are placed in such conditions that there can be no question of any family, because there is no housing, work (or wait until the parents go to another world). What is not war only by other means. In Ukraine, why are they so opposed to the approval of the Russian language as the second state, not because the people are against (of course, some of the illiterate or open enemies are against), but because the language unites and this American curators perfectly understand. And the ancient principle - divide and rule has not yet been canceled. So there is strength in unity, and no one needs us separately. We need our lands and mineral resources, WITHOUT US ...
These are the thoughts that caused the first landing of the aircraft on the Chinese "Varyag".
It is a pity, of course, that at one time Russia was not able to redeem and finish building this ship. But we must understand that we, while we live in an occupied country, and Russia's sovereignty is conditional. And what is sovereignty, is the ability to make decisions in the interests of the people, not overseas uncles.
The story is the same in Ukraine. So, all this fuss with the sale of "Varyag" to the Chinese is "sewn with white thread." Meaning, which is better for the Chinese than for Russia. At the same time, the enemies tried both here and there. Happened. And now another question against whom the planes will fly from this ship. So that "the Lord marks rogue (USA)" ...