Medium-haul aircraft MC-21. Infographics

Irkut MS-21 (“Main Aircraft of the XXI Century”) is a Russian project of a short-medium-range narrow-body passenger aircraft. The solemn ceremony of rolling out the new MS-21 aircraft took place in Irkutsk 8 on June 2016. Start of mass production is scheduled for 2017 year.

It is assumed that the main competition for the Irkut MS-21 aircraft will be the Chinese COMAC C919 aircraft, but at the same time, the MC-21 claims the same commercial niche as the Boeing-737 MAX and Airbus A320neo.

Comments

[Mechanic]

The first test flight was planned for the 1st quarter of 2017. There are 8 days left until the end of the quarter, there is no news about the fact of the flight. I believe that the plan for the start of mass production in 2017 will be frustrated and assigned to an uncertain future.

[Reviews]

Quote: Mechanic

The first test flight was planned for the 1st quarter of 2017. There are 8 days left until the end of the quarter, there is no news about the fact of the flight. I believe that the plan for the start of mass production in 2017 will be frustrated and assigned to an uncertain future.

A common situation when PR people rule (in the soul, and not by job). It was the same with almost all aircraft in the last 20-30 years: 777, 380, CS100, MRJ, 747-8 ... Long list.

[indusenok]

here he is, preparing

[Corsair]

The news is interesting, the country really needs its planes, the question is the aggressive competition policy of Boeing and other aircraft manufacturers, the factor of venality and true patriotism of the leadership of our airlines, as well as people sitting in the government, is also strong, they will give a start or last 10 years for the kickbacks, finally killing the remaining capacities of Russian aircraft plants and the enthusiasm of their designers.

[Hauptmann emil]

Or you can “oblige” our airlines to buy mainly domestic aircraft. For example, reducing the tax rate (return of a certain%), etc. There are many options. It would be a desire.
True and:

Quote: Corsair

the factor of venality and true patriotism of the leadership of our airline, as well as the people sitting in the government, is strong, they will give a start or drag out another 10 years, finally killing the remaining capacities of the Russian aircraft plants and the enthusiasm of their designers.

[Balferov]

Quote: Mechanic

the plan for the start of mass production in 2017 will be frustrated and assigned to an uncertain future.

it's good. God forbid, you have to fly on the Russian-Chinese MS-21 ...
well, let it be better demanded in the world market and will be delivered to Brazil, for example, or to some other Bangladesh.

Quote: Corsair

as well as people sitting in the government, they will give a move or for kickbacks they will still drag out for 10 years

Our government is wonderful, we hope and hope for it.

[Corsair]

Why didn’t you please the Russian-Chinese plane, or are you one of those people who "did not read, but do not approve of"?
The government was wonderful, instead of supporting the domestic aviation industry in the 90s and zero, everything was left to chance and the merchandise of the airline's privatizers, so we now fly on 15-20 summer Boeing mostly instead of the upgraded TU and IL. The excuses that our type planes make a lot of noise and eat a lot are noodles for people and reluctance to invest in their plants.

[indusenok]

since when did the MS-21 become a Russian-Chinese aircraft ???

[DMM2006]

The price of $ 85 million ?! This is not a typo ?!
Airbus A320-200, for 180 passengers costs 59.650.000 S
Boeing 737-400 for 168 passengers costs 52.560.000 S
And the Chinese COMAC C919 for 168-190 passenger seats in general from $ 26 million
And with whom are we going to compete with such prices?

[rpek32]

Quote: DMM2006

The price of $ 85 million ?! This is not a typo ?!
Airbus A320-200, for 180 passengers costs 59.650.000 S
Boeing 737-400 for 168 passengers costs 52.560.000 S
And the Chinese COMAC C919 for 168-190 passenger seats in general from $ 26 million
And with whom are we going to compete with such prices?

where are the price tags from?

[Djclone]

For your information, the B737-400 has not been produced for more than 20 years. The catalog price of the A320-200 is in the region of $ 100 million. And the real competitors of the MC-21 - B737MAX-8 and A320neo cost $ 115-120 million. Where are these numbers from? The Comac C919 has CFM C1 LEAP engines. The cost of each in the region of $ 20 million. Calculate how much this aircraft should cost at least ...

[FID]

It is worth paying attention to one more fact ... The need for airplanes is large, but who will produce? Irkut? He also produces the Yak-130, Yak-152, Su ...., Su ... something else ... Is it our SUPERPRESSION that builds everything? And in big series? Half the country will make components, and Irkut just assemble? And I like phrases, like - it will be more economical on% XXX! Sorry, the plane has NOT taken off yet! So, let it fly along the route with full load, then compare!

[Reviews]

Quote: SSI

Irkut? He also produces the Yak-130, Yak-152, Su ...., Su ... something else ... Is it our SUPERPRESSION that builds everything?

Russia is full of idle aircraft plants: Voronezh, Kazan, Ulyanovsk. Not enough of them - they will reprofile Samara. not enough of this - connect Novosib. It is possible and a full cycle at some plant, and you can simply assembly. Nothing wrong. there would be a desire to do something, and not pick your nose.

I like phrases, like - it will be more economical on xxx! Sorry, the plane has NOT taken off yet!

Sorry, but you, for some reason, are not aware that the beginning of any development is preceded by calculations that you, for some reason, confuse with predictions and / or guarantees.

[FID]

Quote: Avis

Nothing wrong. there would be a desire to do something, and not pick your nose.

Do you personally have such a desire? You do not know what equipment to do, to train people?

Quote: Avis

Sorry, but you, for some reason, are not aware that the beginning of any development is preceded by calculations that you, for some reason, confuse with predictions and / or guarantees.

Yes, yes, calculations .... I’ve been in aviation for 35 years, many planes have passed through my hands ... Write something more, well, let's say ... interesting ...

[Reviews]

Quote: SSI

You do not know what equipment to do, to train people?

Tell me again that the water is wet. Flashing in front of girls-twosomes show. You have a maximum of 35 months, not years of experience. Serious people demonstrate knowledge, not calendars and elementary truths, coupled with ignorance of elementary processes in aviation.

[FID]

Quote: Avis

Flashing in front of girls-twosomes show.

As for the girls, yes, this is a thought. Where am I with a connoisseur of elementary processes ... Are you familiar with non-elementary?

[Reviews]

Quote: SSI

Where am I with a connoisseur of elementary processes ...

The faster you really understand, the better.

[indusenok]

The wing, tail, keel, stabilizer are assembled in Ulyanovsk, the rest in Irkutsk .. and believe me, the plant has enough resources and everything else to assemble the MS, SU, Yak

[FID]

Quote: indusenok

The wing, tail, keel, stabilizer are assembled in Ulyanovsk,

What about VASO?

[indusenok]

VASO collects like IL-476

[FID]

Never ... Il-476 (Il-76MD-90A) - Ulyanovsk, VASO - Il-96-300 / 400, Il-112V, An-148E and composites for SSdzh and MS-21.

[indusenok]

I won’t argue, I see you are a respected person here, you know everything ... I just don’t know anything, although I work for IAP, I take an active part in assembling IS and SU, sometimes I also take YAK ... and I’ll say that VASO is out of business

[Balferov]

Quote: DMM2006

And with whom are we going to compete with such prices?

God will not give, the pig (the Russian government that is) will not eat!

[Balferov]

Quote: Corsair

Why didn’t you please the Russian-Chinese plane, or are you one of those people who "did not read, but do not approve of"?

And I just know very well how audits of the technological process and certification of products are carried out at Russian enterprises, as well as how the cost of production is reduced after R&D by replacing components.
And hell would be with him for the equipment of gas and oil production and railway rolling stock, but for aircraft ...

[Corsair]

Do you think that they’ll do so badly for airplanes that will probably go into the world outside Mother Russia? No, I agree with one thing for sure, usually nothing good happens with our unfortunate managers-optimizers - everything is beautiful, powerful at the exhibition, and on the conveyor some shnyaga is simplified, cheapened to the point of impossible, because the shareholders still need to pay dividends, but they don’t pay themselves premiums offend even in the absence of any profit.

[Reviews]

Quote: Corsair

everything is beautiful, powerful at the exhibition, and on the conveyor some shnyaga simplified, cheapened to impossibility

Judging aviation based on automotive experience is that ... a simplified approach. :)
If the basic design is certified, then no one will give it to change without a bunch of approvals: to the plant - design bureau; KB - Federal Air Transport Agency. That is, it doesn’t work out as it happens with cars: the turbo V6 and full climate control are on the stand, and in the series there is an atmospheric 4-cylinder and a manual power window.

[Corsair]

Quote: Avis

Judging aviation based on automotive experience is that ... a simplified approach. :)

Well, I did not rely on automotive experience, although the analogy is consistent, but I know for sure that prototypes sometimes remain prototypes in one or two copies, maybe nobody will touch the main construct, that is, they will naturally leave the glider, but as for equipment, engines and internal comfort not sure.

[Reviews]

Quote: Corsair

naturally leave the glider, but as for equipment, engines

In aviation, this does not work. The power plant and avionics are also part of the design. No one will take the plane blindly or out of hopelessness if it diverges from the expected appearance. This, again, is an analogy with personal cars. And she does not fit here.
Comfort is composed mainly of the capabilities of hard currency, heat and sound insulation, and the step of the seats. The first is part of the design (see above about this), the second, yes, can vary slightly, and the operator orders the step of the seats.

[Bronevick]

Most likely the first flight will take place September-December

[AIR ZNAK]

NAZ (NAPO-ZiCh) belongs to Sukhoi and is engaged in assembling the Su-34 and components for the Superjet assembled in Komsomolsk and has been loaded with orders for several years ahead

[Mechanic]

I saw in the spring of 2018 how one MS-21 “cut” circles in the Zhukovsky area of ​​Moscow Region (Flitradar24). This is the first test aircraft to be released. According to media reports, the 2nd instance building was released in the spring of 2018. For the production of the 3rd and 4th aircraft instances in order to fully test the aircraft, 5 assembly lines for manufacturing equipment are mounted.