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Turkish military ordered new amphibious armored personnel carriers

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The Turkish Defense Ministry has ordered 27 amphibious armored personnel carriers for the new amphibious assault ship, which is to be handed over to the military department in 2021, reports Warspot with a link to the portal defense-blog.com.


Turkish military ordered new amphibious armored personnel carriers
Appearance promising amphibious armored personnel carrier ZAHA.

FNSS Savunma will handle the order.

According to the contract, the company will supply the fleet 23 ZAHA armored personnel carriers in the landing modification, as well as two rescue and two command vehicles.

New armored cars while exist only in the form of the project and outwardly remind cars of the American marines AAV.

The technical characteristics of the ZAHA (armored amphibious assault amphibious vehicle) have not yet been disclosed, it is only known that it will be built on the basis of the Kaplan tracked BMP developed by the same FNSS Savunma.

As for the landing ship TCG Anadolu (L-408), its construction began in April 2016. The project is based on the Spanish multi-purpose ship SPS Juan Carlos I (L-61). It is assumed that the wing of the ship will consist of X-NUMX-fighters F-12B.

The Spanish multi-purpose amphibious assault ship SPS Juan Carlos, the project which is being built Turkish Anadolu.

It is also known that today the Turkish Armed Forces do not have amphibious armored personnel carriers suitable for landing troops from a promising ship.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 8 March 2017 12: 02
    +2
    This is a "surprise" ... It is not pleasant for us.
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 8 March 2017 12: 04
      +3
      Why not nice. What are they planning to land in Crimea? By the way, from the Black Sea Fleet, the mrk was transferred to the Baltic, but Essen's Petrel was never transferred.
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 March 2017 12: 09
        +7
        Quote: Zibelew
        Why not nice. What are they planning to land in Crimea?

        Do you exclude this possibility? Me not. By the way, we also have a Caucasian coast. Yes, and 12 F-35, this is a lot ... Without irony. And most importantly, this "chest of drawers" cannot be prohibited from entering the Black Sea.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 8 March 2017 12: 16
          18
          svp67
          Do you exclude this possibility?
          Absolutely excluded.

          1. svp67
            svp67 8 March 2017 12: 22
            +2
            Quote: Observer2014
            Absolutely.

            But not me...
            These ships

            and airplanes

            to combat them and "sharpened"
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 8 March 2017 12: 24
              18
              Here it is, these planes.
              1. svp67
                svp67 8 March 2017 12: 25
                +1
                Quote: Observer2014
                These planes.

                God grant ...
                1. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 8 March 2017 12: 26
                  +6
                  "We are stronger than any potential aggressor."
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 8 March 2017 12: 52
                    +4
                    Quote: Observer2014
                    We are stronger than any potential aggressor. "

                    The main thing is not complacent ...
                    And then we already "beat the enemy with little blood, but on his land ..."
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 8 March 2017 13: 27
                      +7
                      Quote: svp67
                      This is a "surprise" ... It is not pleasant for us.

                      ... for us this is not a surprise ... if you pretend to be strategic thinking ... then you should really look at the facts as they are ... the main opponent of Turkey, not Russia ... but, Greece ... and for a long time ... Aegean Sea belongs to Greece. ... and disputes about the border of the Turks didn’t end when ... a map to help with the border of Greece-Turkey entered ... therefore screaming "they threaten us" is at least not clever ... don’t powder people’s brain! ...
                      ... Turks are not going to give up claims to islands in the Aegean ...
                      Quote: svp67
                      The main thing is not complacent ...
                      And then we already "beat the enemy with little blood, but on his land ..."

                      ... dirty ... very dirty ...
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 8 March 2017 14: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Inok10
                        ... don’t powder people’s brain! ...

                        Well, the main thing is that later, all of a sudden, such as you did not explain to the people why it was SUDDENLY, we "overslept" something ...
                        Quote: Inok10
                        . Turks are not going to give up claims to islands in the Aegean ...
                        I do not refuse their claims to Greece, but their “Wishlist” doesn’t end with them in Crimea either ... And why should problems between the NATO countries be very worrying now? Somehow I am more concerned about threats to Russia.
                        Quote: Inok10
                        ... dirty ... very dirty ...

                        Well, tell me what I said wrong from our History. Wasn’t it? Or do you not want to remember this? Hurray, where to shout?
                        Ivan - not remembering kinship ...
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 8 March 2017 17: 30
                        +6
                        Quote: svp67
                        Well, the main thing is that later, all of a sudden, such as you did not explain to the people why it was SUDDENLY, we "overslept" something ...

                        ... what was that ? ... and, if, what if? ... arguments from the category 1/1000 of the probability that a brick may fall on the head from the roof ... in the best traditions of "river propaganda" ... or nothing, but the Russians should already be afraid ... based on your logic, we residents of the Kaliningrad region should already creep together in the cemetery, we have NATO around us, the maximum distance is 60 km. ... but we do not do this and we have nowhere to evacuate families ... we will protect ... do you feel the difference in position? ... You scream about "Turks will conquer Crimea all over," and I just repeat the device and use of RPG -29 "Vampire" ... so you sleep it, and in reality you’re lost in "virtuality" ... the explanation to the People is the Communist Party, in all its glory ... burn with a verb, but without concrete deeds, but burn with a verb on every fence, for 1991, ANSWER, CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNISTS first! ...
                        Quote: svp67
                        I do not refuse their claims to Greece, but their “Wishlist” doesn’t end with them in Crimea either ... And why should problems between the NATO countries be very worrying now? Somehow I am more concerned about threats to Russia.

                        ... threats to Russia? ... ah, an article about what? ... or to the moderators that you are the resource rules are not written? ... feel how funny it is? ... what are the "Wishlist" in the Crimea in Turkey? ... if anyone from NATO had “Wishlist”, then the US hegemon ... but alas, BREAKED OUT! ... laughing ... Turkey is cooler than the USA? ... did not know, thanks, dedicated ... laughed heartily ...
                        Quote: svp67
                        Well, tell me what I said wrong from our History. Wasn’t it?

                        ... ah, take the phrase out of context? ... What is it like ? ... manly, army style? ... A graduate of the Kharkov Tank School ... 1988 ... well, judging by the profile ... such a bayonet was shoved in the belly in 1941, when shouting "we were surrounded, save who can ..." took care of the cartridges ...
                        Quote: svp67
                        Hurray, where to shout?

                        ... Cheers - The military greeting prescribed in the Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Historical Battle Cry of the Russian Army, USSR Armed Forces and now the Russian Federation! ... take your Dirty little hands from him! ... Mr. Moderator ! ...
                        Quote: svp67
                        Ivan - not remembering kinship ...

                        ... from the foregoing, to understand who is who ... I have more than 20 mil. dead in World War II, they are my relatives! ... ah, it seems that you were drifted here by the wind, "by the river" ... hello to you, "tanker" ...
                    2. Observer2014
                      Observer2014 8 March 2017 13: 45
                      +5
                      svp67 hi
                      The main thing is not complacent ...
                      And then we already "beat the enemy with little blood, but on his land ..."
                      No complacency. Just a cold calculation and knowledge of their capabilities. I’ll post the last photo. As the last argument. You understand that before this photo there can be a large number of examples of technology that can restrain the Turks.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 8 March 2017 14: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        I’ll post the last photo. As the last argument. You are well aware that before this photo there can be a large number of examples of technology that can restrain the Turks.

                        This is today, she is still able to hold it somehow. Although if you listen to some politicians and the military, from the "foreign partners"., Then they no longer think so. It is entirely possible to solve problems with us, by armed means, using high-precision weapons. And Turkey will not be at war with us alone, but the NATO country. Just the appearance of this ship in the country, having a direct, and most importantly unimpeded access to the Black Sea, and even consisting in an alliance hostile to us ...
                        Most likely he will be the flagship of the allied squadron of NATO in the Black Sea. Not good, this is for us. Not good. To neutralize it, it will be necessary to allocate additional forces and funds or reassign from existing ones. In the Black Sea, Tu-22MZ or their analogues are urgently needed ... And this is all money, our money, and not small
                    3. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 8 March 2017 14: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: svp67
                      The main thing is not complacent ...
                      And then we already "beat the enemy with little blood, but on his land ..."

                      Maybe not a little blood, but within the limits of the spread of our railway gauge, we can say without false modesty that our army is the strongest in the world.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 8 March 2017 14: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        Maybe not a little blood, but within the limits of the spread of our railway gauge, we can say without false modesty that our army is the strongest in the world.

                        Especially if you know where it is, this width ends ...
                    4. hrych
                      hrych 8 March 2017 16: 26
                      +5
                      Quote: svp67
                      And Turkey will not be at war with us alone, but the NATO country.

                      When, at the instigation of Obama, the Turks shot down our plane and the question of war arose, friends from NATO explained to the Turks that they would have to fight (or rather die) alone.
                      Quote: svp67
                      In the Black Sea, the Tu-22MZ or their analogues are urgently needed ...

                      No, they aren’t needed; these machines intercept the enemy’s fleet for thousands of kilometers in the oceans (x-22 and x-32 missiles will also be used in the nuclear triad), or they can carry out bombardment bombardment, as in Syria, due to a larger bomb bay. By the standards of such weapons, the Black Sea - a puddle there is all shot by the Bastions with supersonic Onyx, and it can be simpler - Ball with subsonic x-35. There is the Black Sea Fleet with the Caliber of the same Volcanoes in Moscow, there is coastal aviation ... in short, still take advantage laughing
                    5. Roman 57 rus
                      Roman 57 rus 9 March 2017 03: 24
                      0
                      Moreover, we were almost trampled upon us by the women with jeans ...
        2. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 8 March 2017 13: 24
          +8
          Turkey needs such a combat unit in the first place, in island disputes with Greece. Landing with 27 amphibious armored personnel carriers in Crimea? What kind of suicide should be, a threat would exist if every NATO country could build at an accelerated pace for such a ship.
          Now we’ll return to the real world and evaluate better what is the use of this military unit in the conflict with Greece, because they are in NATO but still theoretically. There have already been cases of the Turkish landing in Cyprus. And even then the tanks could not do it in at the beginning to land (and then I could not remember whether or not) and the soldiers need armor. Look at the news in this context and look at the map there are a lot of controversial islands and there is armor and air cover from Greece’s strong air defense in the form of a Patriot-S300, if ground does not get it from F-16 also needs to be protected in a theoretical conflict with Greece.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 8 March 2017 13: 31
            +4
            Quote: Lek3338
            Turkey needs such a combat unit in the first place, in island disputes with Greece. Landing with 27 amphibious armored personnel carriers in Crimea? What kind of suicide should be, a threat would exist if every NATO country could build at an accelerated pace for such a ship.

            ... both think in the right direction ... hi
            1. svp67
              svp67 8 March 2017 14: 18
              0
              Quote: Inok10
              ... both think in the right direction ...

              For the command of the combined NATO squadron in the Black Sea, many such ships are not needed.
              1. hrych
                hrych 8 March 2017 18: 32
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                For the command of the combined NATO squadron in the Black Sea, many such ships are not needed.

                One tab ... racket is enough, well, a couple. Our old mosquito does something like this
          2. svp67
            svp67 8 March 2017 14: 17
            +1
            Quote: Lek3338
            Landing 27th amphibious armored personnel carriers in the Crimea?

            Amphibians are not their very "main caliber", the F-35s are more dangerous and the fact that this boat will represent the reconnaissance and command center of the expeditionary forces.
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 8 March 2017 12: 09
        +6
        Tagiryan, hello! hi
        Quote: Zibelew
        Why not nice. What are they planning to land in Crimea?

        Given Erdogan’s imperial ambitions, I tend to agree with svp67:
        Quote: svp67
        This is a "surprise" ... It is not pleasant for us.
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 8 March 2017 12: 18
          +2
          Hi Pavel hi These UDCs are good for Papuans to drive. And the Black Sea is shot through through coastal missile systems. It’s bad that at our Black Sea Fleet BDK and patrol officers have been serving for 50 years. Almost no new ships, but you hang on. This is unpleasant.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 8 March 2017 12: 21
            +7
            UDC should not be underestimated. Such a floating suitcase can spoil the blood ...
            1. Zibelew
              Zibelew 8 March 2017 12: 28
              +1
              Something I did not see f35v on the deck of the Australian UDC Canberra. And to land a helicopter on a 13-degree springboard is a dubious property of the flight deck.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 8 March 2017 12: 32
                +7
                I didn’t see the Australian, but you’ll see the Turk. Ottomans do not throw words into the wind, mattresses help them.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 8 March 2017 18: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Ottomans do not throw words into the wind

                  They just have ongoing verbal diarrhea laughing
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 8 March 2017 20: 36
                    +5
                    Hrych my regards ! hi I have no honor to know your name. I meant the Ottomans, not Erdogan, though ... and this one is poisoning the boatswain ...
          2. levfuks
            levfuks 8 March 2017 13: 02
            +2
            The Black Sea is shot through through coastal missile systems.

            I agree. In the case of real events, the Black Sea will become the grave for any ship. Not to mention some Turkish UDC with all the content. I think this is understood even in pin.dostan.
            But "You hold on" is definitely a disaster!
          3. svp67
            svp67 8 March 2017 15: 23
            +1
            Quote: Zibelew
            And the Black Sea is shot through through coastal missile systems.

            It may well be, but they evaluate it a little differently ...
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 8 March 2017 17: 46
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              It may well be, but they evaluate it a little differently ...

              ... a, We are different ... from under Sevastopol, specifically Chernorechye-Rodnoe-Ternovka - 523 km. to the entrance to the Black Sea ... greetings from the "Bastion" ... hi
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 March 2017 19: 54
          +1
          Pasha, happy birthday to you!
      3. jovanni
        jovanni 8 March 2017 12: 10
        +1
        Quote: Zibelew
        Why not nice. What are they planning to land in Crimea?

        But who knows what they are planning! Turks - with ....
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 8 March 2017 13: 40
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          This is a "surprise" ... It is not pleasant for us.

          And here is another one.
          Jane's Navy International reports that the Turkish company Sedef Gemi İnşaatı Sanayii is in talks with the Turkish Ministry of Defense regarding the construction of the second Anadolu-class universal landing assault ship (UDK). The tender for the construction of the second UDC is scheduled to start around the date of the launch of the head UDC L 408 Anadolu, tentatively scheduled for January 2019.https: //news-front.info/2017/02/28/voennyj-b
          alans-narushat-nelzya-yurij-selivanov /
          1. svp67
            svp67 8 March 2017 15: 25
            +3
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            And here is another one.

            And we didn’t wait for Sevastopol, and it’s not known when something like this will wait ...
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 8 March 2017 18: 06
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              Sevastopol

              Yeah, and most importantly, they explain to us with an important view that Turkey is building them against Greece, but not a threat to Russia (besides absolutely not considering that it is a member of NATO).
              It turns out interesting! The USSR considered the Turks a threat (a powerful fleet and the okrug hint at this), but the Turks do not threaten modern Russia. But what has changed since then? The VD and the Union republics fell off into the NATO piggy bank of military power. And everything is radiant now and Turkey does not threaten us .... well, yes ... only at the peak of our policy’s recent aggravation they threw such normal statements about the status of Crimea and according to the fate of the Crimean Tatars. Karabakh, again, Georgia. In a word, laughter and nothing more.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 8 March 2017 19: 09
                +3
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                Yeah, and most importantly, they explain to us with an important view that Turkey is building them against Greece, but not a threat to Russia (besides absolutely not considering that it is a member of NATO).

                ... NATO is not the Communist Party ... you have it in the Communist Party - "everything is unanimous" ... but, in NATO, each for himself ... Greece for himself and Turkey for himself and Cyprus for himself too ... do not stir up the brain of the people ... already wrote above ... hi
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                It turns out interesting! The USSR considered the Turks a threat (a powerful fleet and the okrug hint at this), but the Turks do not threaten modern Russia.

                ... yeah, while there were medium-range missiles with vigorous content ... maybe you bother to remember? ... your historical memory is somehow short just like that of the Maid on March 8 ... Maidens, by the way, with the Holiday! ... laughing
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                But what has changed since then?

                ... a lot ... time is running out and events are taking place ... somehow I remember literally in the past year, NATO decided to let Erdogan "waste" ... no? .. did not have ? ... He owes his life to Us and ... well, no wonder Israel ... these are the adventures in the Dramocratic NATO ... whoever doesn’t eat whoever has lost ... wink tongue

                Quote: Thunderbolt
                The VD and the Union republics fell off into the NATO piggy bank of military power.

                ... which ones ? ... please enumerate ... wassat
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                And we have everything radiant now and Turkey does not threaten us ....

                ... NO ! ...
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                well, yes ... only at the peak of our policy’s recent aggravation they threw such normal statements about the status of Crimea and the fate of the Crimean Tatars. Karabakh, again, Georgia. In a word, laughter and nothing more.

                ... Zyuganov’s in the Cemetery and his supporters too! ... like Pigs, where they live right there and shit ...
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 8 March 2017 19: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Inok10
                  like Pigs, where they live right there and shit ...

                  Quote: Inok10
                  Maidens March 8 ... Maidens, by the way, with the holiday! ...

                  And so forth ...
                  I don’t see any reason to grind it with haml. For such a “knight” I would instantly get a toe to the temple, but here is the Internet, so I’m closing the discussion with no bespont srach.
                  Auf Wiedersehen hi
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 8 March 2017 19: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    Auf Wiedersehen

                    ... and, Russian is not native or what? ... lol ... so get burned right by Freud ...
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 8 March 2017 20: 24
                      +2
                      P.S. ... you’ll wave legs and toes of boots ... boys are frightened in the courtyard, “Veteran of Karate” ... I’ll dump the liver only by slipping diagonally, by 0,4 m and breaking the skull base ... you’re talking about “Grandfather” I heard ? ... it was still the USSR ... get on ...
                  2. svp67
                    svp67 9 March 2017 06: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    I do not see any reason to grind with haml.

                    The person is just HYSTERIC. Moreover, it is obvious and associated with fear ... The ship is building NATO for Turkey, and people in the Kaliningrad region are afraid and will abort. Somehow I feel sorry for him, he will die of fear ...
                2. Pancer
                  Pancer 8 March 2017 19: 43
                  +2
                  [quote = Inok10] NATO is not the Communist Party ... you have it in the Communist Party - "everything is unanimous" ... but, in NATO, everyone is for himself .. [/ quote]
                  What stupidity ..
                  take and study http://www.db.niss.gov.ua/docs/natoD/UANATO-FAQ.h
                  tm
                  And at the expense of his EP ... better be quiet, what kind of unanimity is there even to the detriment of the country, it has long been clear that Putin has wrapped the Eru law from the juvenile. Thank you, "guardians of the fatherland" for your concern for the people ..

                  [quote = Inok10] [quote = Stormbreaker] Yeah, and most importantly here they explain to us with an important view that Turkey is building them against Greece, but not a threat to Russia (besides absolutely not considering that it is a member of NATO). [/ quote ]
                  ... NATO is not the Communist Party ... you have it in the Communist Party - "everything is unanimous" ... but, in NATO, each for himself ... Greece for himself and Turkey for himself and Cyprus for himself too ... do not stir up the brain of the people ... already wrote above ... hi
                  [quote = Stormbreaker] It’s interesting, it turns out! The USSR considered the Turks a threat (a powerful fleet and the okrug hint at this), but the Turks do not threaten modern Russia. [/ quote]
                  ... yeah, while there were medium-range missiles with vigorous content ... maybe you bother to remember? ... your historical memory is somehow short just like that of the Maid on March 8 ... Maidens, by the way, with the Holiday! ... laughing
                  [quote = Stormbreaker] But what has changed since then? [/ quote]
                  ... a lot ... time is running out and events are taking place ... somehow I remember literally in the past year, NATO decided to let Erdogan "waste" ... no? .. did not have ? ... He owes his life to Us and ... well, no wonder Israel ... these are the adventures in the Dramocratic NATO ... whoever doesn’t eat whoever has lost ... wink tongue
                  [quote = Stormbreaker] VD and the Union republics fell off in the NATO piggy bank of military power. [/ quote]
                  ... which ones ? ... please enumerate ... wassat
                  [quote = Stormbreaker] And we are all radiant now and Turkey does not threaten us .... [/ quote]
                  ... NO ! ... [quote = Thunderbolt] well, yes ... only at the peak of their policy’s recent aggravation threw such normal statements about the status of Crimea and the fate of the Crimean Tatars. Karabakh, again, Georgia. In a word, laughter and only. [/ Quote]
                  ... Zyuganov’s in the Cemetery and his supporters too! ... like Pigs, where they live right there and crap ... [/ quote]
                  Did you report directly to the General Staff of the General Staff or to the FSB? No? Then do not tell tales.
                  [quote = Inok10]. which ones ? ... please enumerate [/ quote]
                  You are absolutely poor in knowledge of history, three republics of the former USSR-Baltic states have entered the NATO bloc. Another one thinks there is Georgia. Well, another one raves about NATO-Ukraine. Study the subject. And then tell the tales.
                  Study.
                  http://xn--80azep.xn--p1ai/ru/lithuania.html
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                  Work the rest yourself and find.
                  Kstati.vot for this-Zyuganov in the Cemetery and his supporters too! ... like Pigs, where they live right there and crap ... [/ quote]
                  , More precisely, for a massive insult to a minimum of 15 million people, it’s fashionable to get it too.
                  You just seem terrified. If the system changes and you have to answer for some business. Isn't it?
                  EP is already being scrapped for little. Putin doesn’t eat bread in vain.
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 8 March 2017 20: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: Pancer
                    More precisely, for a massive insult of at least 15 million people, it’s fashionable to get shouted.
                    You just seem terrified. If the system changes and you have to answer for some business. Isn't it?
                    EP is already being scrapped for little. Putin doesn’t eat bread in vain.

                    ... and, is it really that V.V. Putin is a Communist Party nominee? ... laughing ... go your own way and preferably away from Russia ... follow the path of the World Revolution, there you have been assigned a place abroad and was originally ... from the place of London ... laughing
                3. svp67
                  svp67 9 March 2017 06: 51
                  0
                  [quote = Inok10] ... NO! ...
                  God give it. But For several centuries THREATENED. And now Suddenly - NO. And what has changed? Or did they refuse the Crimea, recognize him Russian?
      4. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 8 March 2017 17: 38
        0
        The attack on the south-west of Russia is suicide.
    2. Berkut752
      Berkut752 8 March 2017 22: 33
      0
      Quote: svp67
      This is a "surprise" ... It is not pleasant for us.

      You are naive people, it’s not only and not how much equipment we have, but HOW WE AND WHEN WE USE.
      Examples of Rust and Red Square, war in Georgia, ONLY THIRD DAY CONSIDERED THAT OUR BEATS, Drying in Turkey, WHY WAS GOING UNPUNISHED. There is equipment and trained personnel, but IS THERE ARE PEOPLE READY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AT THE FIRST SIGNS OF AGGRESSION. That is our problem NOW.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 9 March 2017 14: 11
        +6
        Why didn’t they mention “Crimean spring”?
    3. Archon
      Archon 9 March 2017 03: 23
      0
      Do you want the Turks to buy our amphibious armored vehicles?
  2. Holoy
    Holoy 8 March 2017 12: 03
    0
    Japan also took a similar step ... Only it has a 4-helicopter carrier ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 March 2017 12: 19
      +5
      Not. Rather, everything is more complicated there.

      Japan has only 3 modern Osumi-type amphibians - each has an 2 LCAC and a cargo deck for equipment. Loading standard battalion.

      But Osumi’s turntables aren’t very good, they are only on deck. There is no special helicopter. Maximum 4 + 4, really 4-6 machines.


      New destroyers such as Hugo and Izumo (each in 2) are helicopter carriers with a large wing (14-20 helicopters), a separate hangar, large reserves of aviation fuel, workshops, etc. However, in the airborne forces, they can only perform the functions of support and helicopter landing, because there is no docking camera. They can carry a certain amount of equipment on the cargo deck and in the hangar (at the expense of the air group) - however, they can unload it by the gangways in the port and only that way.

      Turkish Juan Carlos combines both of these types and even better.
      It has a large air group - comparable to Izumo + springboard and a special deck covering, that is, it can be used as an aircraft carrier of a VTOL aircraft.
      It has a docking camera and its own landing facilities comparable to Osumi (2 LCAC) - and also carries a standard battalion with equipment.
  3. Pirogov
    Pirogov 8 March 2017 12: 04
    +1
    Turks seriously took up the Navy! And we continue to cut.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 8 March 2017 12: 12
      +2
      Quote: Pirogov
      ! And we continue to cut.

      But what about powerful armored boats?
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 8 March 2017 12: 55
        +1
        Quote: Gray Brother
        But what about powerful armored boats?

        Don’t turn on the fool! I wrote for Russia. Do you want to seem smart, tell me on which ship of the Russian Navy there was no cut? And what happens with the construction of ships?
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 8 March 2017 12: 58
          +2
          Quote: Pirogov
          tell me which ship of the Russian Navy was not cut?

          Proofs are, what was at all?
          And I do not need to poke, you and I did not bite seeds in the market.
          And what happens with the construction of ships?

          Build within the capabilities.
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 8 March 2017 13: 29
            0
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Proofs are, what was at all?
            And I do not need to poke, you and I did not bite seeds in the market.

            I agree for the seeds. You look at the timing of the construction of ships and estimates at the end of construction.
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Build within the capabilities.

            Yes, you see what happens to the frigates of the Admiral series, and after all they have been built for a long time, there are problems with the Shtil air defense system, and after all the same problems were with the Hindu frigates, but they were successfully solved and again the same rake, as you call it, to your FRAMEWORK, my opinion: they mold a wunderwafle more expensive! You need to go from simple to complex!
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 8 March 2017 13: 41
              +3
              Quote: Pirogov
              Yes, you look at what happens to the frigates of the Admiral series, but they have been built for a long time, problems with the Shtil air defense system

              ... where is the problem with the Shitil-1 air defense system? ... tell the literate? ... maybe you messed up an object with your finger for an hour? ... on Indian frigates 11356 - there is no "Calm-1", there is a "Hurricane" with girder PU ... laughing
              1. Pirogov
                Pirogov 8 March 2017 16: 29
                0
                Quote: Inok10
                . this is where the problems with the chitil-1 air defense system? ... tell the literate? ... maybe you messed up an object with your finger for an hour? ... on Indian frigates 11356 - there is no "Calm-1", there is a "Hurricane" with girder PU

                Why don’t they hand over the second and third?! Dial in Yandex: ......... ,, Air alerts of the Russian fleet ,, .............
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 8 March 2017 18: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Pirogov
                  Why don’t they hand over the second and third ?! Dial in Yandex

                  ... laughing lol laughing ... say 2nd and 3rd? ... kindly:
                  1. "Admiral Grigorovich" - in the ranks
                  2. "Admiral Essen" - in the ranks
                  3. "Admiral Makarov" - I quarter of 2017, undergoing tests ...
                  Quote: Pirogov
                  Dial in Yandex: ......... ,, Air alerts of the Russian fleet ,, .............

                  ... uh ... net! ... thanks ... Like Flies, here and there, rumors go to their homes, and toothless old women carry them to their minds ... (c) Vysotsky ... oh, he was right ... so much time has passed and nothing has changed ... the "river guys" are still as simple and intricate as 300 years ago when the Tortilla Turtle was young ... tongue
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                  2. Pirogov
                    Pirogov 9 March 2017 13: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Inok10
                    ... uh ... net! ... Thank you ... Like Flies, here and there, rumors are circulating around the house, and toothless old women are spreading them to their minds ... (c) Vysotsky ... oh, he was right ... so much time has passed hasn’t changed ... the "river guys" are all as simple and intricate as 300 years ago when the Tortilla Turtle was young

                    Provocateur ............
            2. Gray brother
              Gray brother 8 March 2017 13: 57
              0
              Quote: Pirogov
              frigates of the admiral series

              I read that there are no turbines, that’s it.
              Quote: Pirogov
              You look at the timing of the construction of ships and estimates at the end of construction.

              This is the result of an “accounting approach”, as long as there is no contract concluded - there are no materials or horseradish at the factory.
              A contract appears - then the plant already orders the necessary from suppliers, and the latter also have no horseradish and they order raw materials ...
              While they make it, while they bring it, while they conclude the contracts, they pay them, all these chains work very slowly, and the longer it all happens, the more jambs arise in the process. Well, everything is expensive, respectively, due to the fact that each batch of goods is made to order, and small-scale is always expensive.
              Just to make something so that it was at hand, from the point of view of the accountant, losses — only the USSR was capable of such.
              And in order for deliveries to be continuous, a large volume of orders and an enormous amount of dough are needed - only then do the "accountants" stop shaking over commercial risks. The state order obviously cannot provide such a volume.
              1. Pirogov
                Pirogov 8 March 2017 16: 34
                0
                Quote: Gray Brother
                And in order for deliveries to be continuous, a large volume of orders and an enormous amount of dough are needed - only then do the "accountants" stop shaking over commercial risks. The state order obviously cannot provide such a volume.

                And who can? Everywhere in the world State order is manna from heaven!
                Quote: Gray Brother
                I read that there are no turbines, that’s it.

                There are no 4,5,6 turbines, but there are three in the first three! Dial in Yandex ..... Air alerts of the Russian fleet ............. read and talk.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 8 March 2017 17: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Pirogov
                  And who can? Everywhere in the world State order is manna from heaven!

                  No, not everywhere. In the United States, for example, a manufacturer determines government procurement through lobbying.
                  The Koreans are leaving for commercial shipbuilding.
                  Quote: Pirogov
                  ..Air troubles of the Russian fleet ............. read the talk.

                  I read - no specifics. It is hardly believed that, in fact, the marine version of the “Buk” cannot be brought to mind for 15 years.
                  1. Pirogov
                    Pirogov 8 March 2017 18: 02
                    0
                    Quote: Gray Brother
                    I read - no specifics. It is hardly believed that, in fact, the marine version of the “Buk” cannot be brought to mind for 15 years.

                    What are the reasons why frigates still do not serve?
                    1. Gray brother
                      Gray brother 8 March 2017 18: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Pirogov
                      What are the reasons why frigates still do not serve?

                      The default of 1998, the subsequent payment of debts, the financial crisis of 2008, corruption in all structures of the Ministry of Defense - that was when they really sawed it off until Serdyukov dispersed everyone.
                      All this is aggravated by the reasons described by me above.
                      A lot of time has passed, and the requirements initially laid down in the project ceased to be relevant - progress does not stand still, and there is also a need for modernization potential.
                      So now they torment the developers in a new way.
                      1. Pirogov
                        Pirogov 8 March 2017 19: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        A lot of time has passed, and the requirements initially laid down in the project ceased to be relevant - progress does not stand still, and there is also a need for modernization potential.
                        So now they torment the developers in a new way.

                        This is a stupid fleet with virtually no ships, there is no time for frills. I repeat, you need to go from simple to complex. The Chinese comrades are an example of this, and we love the largest, most modern, etc.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 8 March 2017 14: 27
      0
      Quote: Pirogov
      Turks seriously took up the Navy! And we continue to cut.

      The modern Navy is primarily submarine missile carriers, in what place did the Turks take them seriously?
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 March 2017 14: 33
        +1
        Quote: KaPToC
        The modern Navy is primarily submarine missile carriers

        The modern fleet is a well-balanced military force, capable of solving the tasks assigned to them, both at sea and in coastal directions ... And this is not solved by submarine missile carriers alone. This requires many more types of ships.
        Yes, there are underwater missile carriers in the Turkish fleet
        - 8 submarines of the project 209/1400 of the Prevez type
        - incoming new submarines of project 214/1500, which we still do not have.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 8 March 2017 14: 36
          0
          Quote: svp67
          And this alone is not solved by submarine missile carriers.

          Nevertheless, the fleet with them will defeat the fleet without them.
          Quote: svp67
          Especially if you know where it is, this width ends ...

          Outside, the Russian army is nevertheless one of the strongest.
          1. svp67
            svp67 8 March 2017 15: 01
            +1
            Quote: KaPToC
            Outside, the Russian army is nevertheless one of the strongest.

            Let’s not engage in “hatred”. Russia alone against any country in the world - maybe, but Russia alone against NATO, alas, no. We are losing to NATO.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 8 March 2017 15: 22
              0
              Quote: svp67
              We are losing to NATO.

              If only football. You can lose to anyone you want.
              1. svp67
                svp67 8 March 2017 16: 57
                0
                Quote: KaPToC
                If only football. You can lose to anyone you want.

                Something I do not know the NATO national football team ... Yes, it seems this is your hidden desire ...
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 8 March 2017 18: 08
                  0
                  Quote: svp67
                  Something I do not know the NATO national football team ...

                  Here I am talking about the same thing, we will not play football with NATO. If they could defeat us, they would have attacked. They are animals in human form and will attack as soon as they believe in their victory.
  4. Totsky
    Totsky 8 March 2017 12: 04
    0
    I respect weapons tested in real fighting .. And these toys can be produced in different modifications every year ... And sell, sell ..
  5. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 8 March 2017 12: 06
    0
    Isn’t it easier to just copy the BTR-82a?
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 8 March 2017 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Isn’t it easier to just copy the BTR-82a?

      All the same, we have more floating armored vehicles, and they need boats crawling to the shore.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 8 March 2017 22: 02
      +1
      Do you consider the BTR-82 ideal for the Marine Corps?
  6. pts-m
    pts-m 8 March 2017 12: 06
    0
    Probably the Turks decided to break the bridge over the Bosphorus and transport their citizens on brand new floating conveyors.
  7. gukoyan
    gukoyan 8 March 2017 12: 10
    0
    Wow, what a tall silhouette this Spaniard has for deck artillery is a good target.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 8 March 2017 14: 32
      +1
      Quote: gukoyan
      Wow, what a tall silhouette this Spaniard has for deck artillery is a good target.

      If it came to ship artillery, then UDC will no longer help you.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 March 2017 12: 13
    +3
    New armored cars so far exist only in the form of a project

    Therefore, do not break the spears ahead of time.
    svp67 This is a "surprise" ... It is not pleasant for us

    With all due respect to you, but what is the trouble today?
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 March 2017 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      With all due respect to you, but what is the trouble today?

      In the appearance of a ship near our borders with the ability to deliver unexpected attacks with the help of its air wing, and to carry out reconnaissance and command functions, in particular, to serve as the nucleus of the combined forces of NATO countries in the Black Sea basin.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 March 2017 12: 21
    +1
    Landing in the Crimea - this is not serious. "Bastions," an air wing - maybe they will leave the Bosphorus, but where will they reach? So, right in the middle of the sea, and rest. Depths are suitable there wassat
  10. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 8 March 2017 12: 25
    0
    Anyway, we need our own helicopter carriers. But these beteers, as always, are monsters catching ptrk with their sides.
  11. tchoni
    tchoni 8 March 2017 12: 28
    0
    Well, to be honest, how. A clean paratrooper seems to me our BDKs to be the more preferable option. But here is how the headquarters or support vessel helicopter carrier looks more chic.
  12. marshes
    marshes 8 March 2017 12: 59
    +1
    The Turks still have "graters" with the Greeks in Cyprus.
    Yes, and there is the possibility of selling this unit.
    1. Sergey Kranov
      Sergey Kranov 8 March 2017 15: 17
      +2
      I agree with the swamp, they set their sights on the rest of Cyprus / for the third hour they have long occupied / and even though the Greeks have the same tanks as the Turks, but this is on the mainland. Ottoman Pasha can take Cyprus in 2-3 days.
  13. andrewkor
    andrewkor 8 March 2017 13: 27
    +1
    With one blow send to the bottom a group in several. Lard !!
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 8 March 2017 14: 13
      +3
      Do not forget the "ducking !!" scream out. Others are not fools either and do not eat their bread for nothing.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 8 March 2017 14: 34
        +2
        Quote: xetai9977
        Do not forget the "ducking !!" scream out. Others are not fools either and do not eat their bread for nothing.

        The Turks do not have aircraft carriers to meet Russian missile ships before the turn of missile launch. Urya-neraya, but the Turks have no chance against Russia.
        1. svp67
          svp67 8 March 2017 15: 30
          +2
          Quote: KaPToC
          but the Turks have no chance against Russia.

          And what about NATO?
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 8 March 2017 17: 18
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            And what about NATO?

            Remember how in the 39th they defended Poland, Czechoslovakia! But nothing has changed! In the same way, the Turks will have to, if something happens, to take their own water.
            1. svp67
              svp67 8 March 2017 17: 22
              +3
              Quote: KaPToC
              Remember how in the 39th they defended Poland, Czechoslovakia! But nothing has changed! In the same way, the Turks will have to, if something happens, to take their own water.

              Yeah, in 1853 they thought the same thing ...
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 8 March 2017 18: 09
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Yeah, in 1853 they thought the same thing ...

                Your thought is so subtle .... that it is not quite visible.
    2. stoker
      stoker 8 March 2017 14: 30
      0
      Quote: andrewkor
      With one blow send to the bottom a group in several. Lard !!


      And several hundred, or even thousands of elite military personnel.

      I absolutely agree with you. It is hard to come up with a more meaningless ship. We have to rejoice in Turkey’s grandiose plans for these ships.
  14. Observer2014
    Observer2014 8 March 2017 14: 21
    +2
    svp67
    ,It is today, she is still able to hold it somehow. Although if you listen to some politicians and the military, from the "foreign partners"., Then they no longer think so. It is entirely possible to solve problems with us, by armed means, using precision weapons
    Speaking of tomorrow. repeat The main thing here is to get to the shore of the enemy laughing

    By the way, what about the site? The answer does not work.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 8 March 2017 14: 40
      +2
      svp67
      Most likely he will be the flagship of the allied squadron of NATO in the Black Sea. Not good, this is for us. Not good. For his neutralize will have to allocate additional forces and funds or reassign from existing ones. In the Black Sea, Tu-22MZ or their analogues are urgently needed.
      How much does this converter cost? Two pieces. (To guarantee) laughing And how much does the “threat” cost?
    2. svp67
      svp67 8 March 2017 14: 41
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      The answer does not work.

      And where is he going to go, here he is
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 8 March 2017 14: 50
        +2
        Is it about "Status 6" or about
        if you listen to some politicians and the military, from the "foreign partners"., then they no longer think so.
        in the sense of "threat" ???
        1. svp67
          svp67 8 March 2017 15: 05
          +2
          Quote: Observer2014
          in the sense of "threat" ???

          The most natural, concept of rapid global impact. And the shipments of the Kyrgyz Republic for Poland, and the appearance of this boat, and the constant combat duty of American ships with the Aegis at our borders, and the appearance of missile defense systems and much more, perfectly fit into it. Everything goes according to a well-developed plan. Anaconda "pulls together rings"
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 8 March 2017 15: 16
            +2
            For each "Anaconda" I am silent about Poland. There is and will be an incomparably more effective (in any sense) answer. Butting West with an arms race raving. It means that you need skill and necessary technology in one direction or another. An example of how to bury “Quick Deletion.” To have weapons around the perimeter of the country that do not allow for the firing distance.
            ABM how to multiply by zero. Have a means of delivery of nuclear weapons to the target capable of overcoming missile defense.
            Well, for Poland (and similar substances) complicate life, publish in the media a list of targets for striking nuclear weapons .. Everything should be effective, accurate and wisely.
            And enough to nightmare your country! Better to be afraid of us.
            1. svp67
              svp67 8 March 2017 17: 02
              0
              Quote: Observer2014
              Butting the West with an arms race is nonsense.

              But if you want to, you don’t want to, but we are obliged to respond somehow. That they would not feel absolute impunity.
              Quote: Observer2014
              Have around the country’s perimeter a weapon that does not allow a shot to be fired.
              ABM how to multiply by zero. Have a means of delivery of nuclear weapons to the target capable of overcoming missile defense.

              Then we’ll stay without pants ...
              Quote: Observer2014
              Well, for Poland (and similar substances) to complicate life, to publish in the media a list of goals for striking nuclear weapons ..

              This will not help now. There is a public in power with signs of a "clear mental disorder"
              Quote: Observer2014
              And enough to nightmare your country! Better to be afraid of us.

              I'm not going to "nightmare" us. Just assessing the capabilities of the enemy is the guarantee of victory over him. And somehow I’m not used to “fooling around”. There is a threat, it is real and it is not necessary to close its eyes to it.
  15. uporov65
    uporov65 8 March 2017 15: 28
    +5
    Turks must be squeezed out of NATO and transplanted onto our equipment. The Turkish stream is signed and begins to operate, i.e. we are economic partners. Plus, our sanctions against Turkey show its significant economic dependence on Russia. And yet, in Syria, we really bent them, and showed who the leader in the region is and who they need to hold on to. Turks, welcome to the SCO, CSTO, BRICS, etc. hi
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 8 March 2017 15: 36
      +3
      uporov65
      Turks must be squeezed out of NATO and transplanted to our equipment .....
      Yes. And there is.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 9 March 2017 01: 36
        +1
        I would like to. But there are more tourists there with the EU, trade is also higher. It should be noted that in Turkey the economy was growing due to an increase in the flow of tourists, business contacts (construction, for example), trade with the CIS countries - this became for them a new market after the collapse of the USSR. Therefore, from an economic point of view, they should not lose either the EU or us. Yes, we can give what the EU cannot - energy and raw materials. But if the EU imposes sanctions against Erdogan, then the Turks need to look for new markets - maybe China and southeast Asia !? Otherwise, they will greatly sink and the people will be dissatisfied with joining the CU. After an unsuccessful coup, Erdogan could not stop cooperation with the EU and now is also unlikely to do so.
        Exiting NATO will be very expensive for them. Those tanks for example. NATO - 120mm, CSTO - 125mm. Aviation and armaments for them (the Iranians, having aviation from Western countries, stood up after the imposition of sanctions). Even small arms.
        More than 40 countries now want to cooperate with the CU - Israel has been negotiating since the beginning of this year, for example. Let the Turks stay there until they bring a lot of contradictions into the activities of the West. Let NATO and the EU curse, bark and weaken with their contradictions (for example, presidential reform, human rights, the Kurdish problem, freedom of speech, opposition abroad). We need to become stronger economically - let the Turks "mature" so far, they are doing "good" work there.
        But if you look politically. That Turks without us Iranian, Syrian and Kurdish relations will not solve. Then the west is replayed. Turkey was surrounded by our friends and partners. Iran, Kurds, Shiite Iraq, Syria Assad, Lebanon with Hezbollah, Greece, Armenia. And all for 2-3 years. Therefore, apparently realizing what happened, Turkey announced the SCO. But there is a problem with China. The unspoken support of the Uyghurs by the Turks and the influence of Tehran on Beijing (oil trade).
        From an economic point of view, Iran is more important to us now. And his entry into the SCO. Tehran has huge energy reserves - an economic union with it will give us great advantages. Putin has already invited the Iranians to join our pipeline system. In fact, this Energy Union will mean the following - no one will be able to ignore it and we will not need to compete with each other, weakening and knocking down prices. Tehran has already stated that it is not going to compete on gas in the EU with us. hi
  16. K-50
    K-50 8 March 2017 15: 40
    +2
    I wonder why they need an amphibious armored personnel carrier? Can drive through the deserts of Syria? laughing
    And if they wanted to sit down so much, they probably were stirring up something against Greece, since they would have nowhere else to use them. Not in the Crimea, they are preparing a landing. Otherwise, if they climb into the Crimea with NATO, then they will be drowned right at the exit from the Bosphorus, they will not live longer. yes laughing
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 March 2017 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: K-50
      I wonder why they need an amphibious armored personnel carrier?

      To transfer infantry to the captured bridgehead and, if necessary, support it with the fire of a combat vehicle, until the approach of more serious equipment ...
      1. K-50
        K-50 8 March 2017 17: 12
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        For the transfer of infantry to the captured bridgehead and, if necessary, support it with the fire of a combat vehicle, until the approach of more serious equipment.

        Well, that’s understandable. But where do they have such water barriers? They have practically no rivers.
        New armored cars while exist only in the form of the project and outwardly remind cars of the American marines AAV.

        And such "monsters" are used precisely for sea landing.
        Therefore, they cause bewilderment. They’ll find death in the Crimea, but with Greece in one block, the Yankens will not let them fight, it’s like breaking swarms to them.
        1. svp67
          svp67 8 March 2017 17: 15
          0
          Quote: K-50
          Therefore, they cause bewilderment. They’ll find death in the Crimea, but with Greece in one block, the Yankens will not let them fight, it’s like breaking swarms to them.

          So we think, why is the country of NATO such a boat, with such technology, if we take into account that now the main opponent for NATO is Russia.
  17. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 8 March 2017 21: 52
    +1
    And the ship is good, and the necessary armored personnel carrier ...
  18. svp67
    svp67 9 March 2017 03: 34
    0
    Inok10,
    ... what was that ? ... and, if, what if? ... arguments from the category 1/1000 of the probability that a brick may fall on the head from the roof ... in the best traditions of "river propaganda" ...
    You have something wrong with the logic ... You already derive the probabilities. Well, apparently it’s worth recalling the "first law of the sandwich" that "the most undesirable event occurs with the greatest probability." And it’s better to discuss it and work out possible answers than to be unprepared for it.
    based on your logic - we, the residents of the Kaliningrad region should already creep together in the cemetery, we have NATO around, the maximum distance is 60 km. ... but we do not do this and we have nowhere to evacuate families ... we will protect ... do you feel the difference in position?

    Dear, if you already have a sense of panic there, then this is not to me, but to the doctor. Something I don’t remember, when I would urge someone to surrender. So decide for yourself where you or the cemetery to crawl or preparing, seriously and thoughtfully, for the defense of your land
    ... you yelp about "all is lost Crimea will conquer the Turks"

    In, an accurate definition of your behavior. You really have a hysterical panic. Take it easy. What you say is not arguments, but the tantrum of a young lady.
    , this is the Communist Party, in all its glory .., for 1991, ANSWER first,
    Okay, you don’t want for 1991, answer for 2016. From which party did the deputy flee to Ukraine?

    . ... from the foregoing, to understand who is who ... I have more than 20 mil. dead in World War II, they are my relatives! ... ah, it seems that you were drifted here by the wind, "by the river" ... hello to you, "tanker" ..
    . Drink a sedative, otherwise you have a tantrum. And stop throwing "agitation" ... You are FUNNY, like your "party" today. You are not communists, but ADJACENTS.
  19. Mentat
    Mentat 9 March 2017 09: 05
    +1
    Quote: Berkut752
    Quote: svp67
    This is a "surprise" ... It is not pleasant for us.

    You are naive people, it’s not only and not how much equipment we have, but HOW WE AND WHEN WE USE.
    Examples of Rust and Red Square, war in Georgia, ONLY THIRD DAY CONSIDERED THAT OUR BEATS, Drying in Turkey, WHY WAS GOING UNPUNISHED. There is equipment and trained personnel, but IS THERE ARE PEOPLE READY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AT THE FIRST SIGNS OF AGGRESSION. That is our problem NOW.

    Is there any naive here, I don’t know, but the fact that you are noisy can be seen in your text.
    Rust was conducted in Belarus, including visually from the helicopters that followed him. It was a political decision or indecision, not a technical impossibility.
    They did not respond to the shooting down of Su in Turkey by force, so as not to give exactly what it was done for - provocations with a military clash.
    As for Georgia, they generally wrote some nonsense.