NASA paper space

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I have long wanted to write about this very "immortal feat", about the flight to the moon, that is. This flight has long been a symbol of America and tightly entered the human history. However, questions remain, moreover - the more time passes after the end of the last flight, the more questions arise. Humanity has achieved a lot in the very same 20 century, 20 century - a century of achievements in general. And what's more, like a cherry on a cake - a flight to the moon.

But with this “cherry” just not everything is clear and not everything is unambiguous. So back to half a century ago: the USSR launched the first satellite of the Earth (1957) and the first man in space (1961). For the US, it was a terrible slap. The Americans clearly claimed world leadership, and here it is ... And something had to be done about it, and somehow it was necessary to save their reputation. That was the way the task was set by President John F. Kennedy. Outrun the Russians.



The funny thing is that those who chose targets for this show, clearly very poorly versed in space technology. Otherwise they would not stutter about the moon. At the time of the adoption of the Apollo program, the highest achievement of manned space flight was a flight in the thermosphere around the Earth. That is, the little man was thrown into orbit, he spun on it in the "spacecraft" and ... landed back to Earth. That's the end of the show.

By the way, looking ahead, we can say that to this day, all astronauts, astronauts and teahouses are doing about the same thing: “Skating on the orbital carousel.” And you thought? The presence of some "orbital stations" here makes little difference. Well, the little man is in orbit longer: six months, a year ... This is interesting from the point of view of medicine, but not from the point of view of manned cosmonautics.

A lot of films have been made about interstellar travels, a lot of books have been written about alien worlds in other galaxies ... And this has become a part of our culture and our consciousness. We so long believed in the flights of “humans” to Mars and Alpha Centauri, that we forgot that since Gagarin manned cosmonautics did not go very far forward. Rather, marking time on the same near-earth orbit. All the same "fun attraction." No, of course: docking / undocking in orbit, different evolution there, assembling orbital stations ... But everything strictly in orbit of the planet Earth.

And then suddenly seven flights to the moon, six of them successful ... Fantastic. What is most funny, the USSR, with all its industrial and scientific power, could not launch a single person even around the moon ... Shame on the jungle! Just a shame and a ganba! But the Americans "rolled" around the moon 27 astronauts (12 of them landed on the moon)! If you count from Apollo-10 to Apollo-17, plus Apollo-8. Nine ships with a crew of three. Here it is, the superiority of American technology ...

That is why the American nation is exceptional. None of the “low-born” alien could rise above the low orbit. And twenty-seven Americans flew around the moon ... Willingly you begin to envy. Here we mostly talk about Apollo-11, but, excuse me, these Apollos were just as hell! Here I, as a person with a technical education, admire just that. Reliability and repeatability of the developed technology.

Apollo went to the moon as a regular bus. Even getting bored. And this, of course, reflects the advantage of American technology and the American way of life. No one else could and did not even come close, and even half a century later everyone else can only dream and make plans. That was the technology / democracy in the USA in the blessed 60. Over time, the Americans themselves began to understand that “the ends do not converge,” and the first flight to the Moon is mentioned more. It is Armstrong. Well, "to the heap" remembered and removed the "movie" about the unsuccessful 13. Thirteenth, what a coincidence! That is, with hindsight, the "extraordinary success of American technologies" is being sought to diminish somewhat. Allegedly, not everything was so great ... There were problems.

Any technically literate person understands that such a bold flight to the moon on a new, untested technology is very risky. And the word "risky" here does not quite fit, rather an adventure. By itself, a manned flight around the moon is already a gigantic achievement that no one has yet repeated and does not dare to repeat. It has been almost fifty years old. Almost half a century. And yet: the very 27 Americans remained unique heroes who flew around the Earth satellite.

Only they, more none. But the flight around the moon, without disembarking on it, in theory, an order of magnitude easier to travel to the moon. Undocking in lunar orbit, landing of the lunar module, after which the launch of this module, docking ... and a safe return. Somehow too beautiful. It does not happen. At the level of technology 60-s (essentially post-war). And today it is quite a risky venture.



That is why everyone talks about flying at once. on The moon Just like that on The moon (I remembered for some reason “Flying over the cuckoo's nest” and the key phrase of one of the patients). On the construction of inhabited lunar modules doodles, pictures draw ... Why no one offers to launch a single Russian / Chinese / Japanese around The moon? This is in fact much simpler, and this will be an achievement.

But no. Only the moon. And as already mentioned, to this day, all the heroes, astronauts hang out in the low orbit of the thermosphere. Heroic thermonauts ... And only the Americans were able to break this vicious circle. And then at the end of 60-x - the beginning of 70-x. And few of those "heroes" lived to the present day. I do not want to say bad things about those who fly into space, but, in fact, they both dangled and dangled above our heads in the upper layers of the atmosphere of planet Earth and sometimes talk about distant galactic wanderings.

Why today abruptly is interest in the manned space program falling? And there was already everything. Everything has already been ... Repeatedly. And what is an astronaut today? Here half a century ago - yes! Just when the Americans were actively leaving the field of the Earth and were rushing to the craters of the moon ... it was a glorious time, heroic.

For some reason, no one followed in their footsteps, which is strange. They, forgive that, this Moon was privatized? By the right of the pioneers? Apollo-8, December 68, the first flight around the moon. Almost half a century has passed, but no one else: neither Russia, nor Europe, nor China wants to send an astronaut into orbital flight around the moon. Why am I constantly talking about such an insignificant event? Yes, because the flight of man around The moon - this is a real feat and the greatest engineering achievement.

For this, it is already possible to give medals, orders and forever add to the lists. The flight of various unmanned objects there is not at all the same. They (these impudent "Drones”) have already been selected behindlimits of the solar system. And the Americans just got to the moon. But what kind of composition! "Twist" the living Chaiko / Cosmo / astronauts around the moon and return them to Earth alive - this is a serious engineering problem. By itself, without any landings.

Moreover, it was interesting in 60-s, when there were serious concerns that our Soviet cosmonauts, having made an orbital flight, might land not in the territory of the USSR or even in the territory of the social. Commonwealth (by mistake, and not out of malice!). And people were scratching a turnip, pondering what to do in this case. And even then, the Americans could bring a person to the surface of the Moon and take him from there ... Compare the level of technology.

And even after half a century, this level of technology is not blocked by anyone. By the way, this is an ambush: after the first breakthrough of Columbus to the New World (if he, of course, was the first) dozens of ships very quickly repeated his route. And the risk was no less: the Europeans had no ocean voyage experience, navigation in its infancy, poor ships (Columbus flagship - 200 tonnes of displacement). And yet, very soon it became hot on the Atlantic routes.

The same applies to even more complex and long voyages to India (the flagship of Vasco da Gama is even smaller than the Columbus). At what level of technology and how it all boiled! Literally seething. One by one, the ships reached the shores of the East Indies and the West Indies. Literally flocks. Where did that come from ... Sat on the shore of the flat Earth, sit ... and suddenly. And to say that the technological development in Europe of the XVI-th century was taking leaps and bounds, by no means impossible.

The feat of Magellan was not repeated by anyone for a very long time? So as it would not be necessary ... It was possible to swim and not around the world to any point of the planet.

And the feat of American astronauts remained unrepeated. But modern technology and technology 60-ies - these are two big differences. Computer equipment and electronics have gone incredibly ahead. Now, if you even compare the power of the computer on which this article is typed, and the computing power of the Houston space center, then in 68 year ...

Jet technology also does not stand still. Like materials science. Well, in the field of machine tools there was a real revolution. Then the CNC machines took their first, uncertain steps. And today ... huge machines, providing multi-meter accuracy with a few microns. Humanity has gone far ahead. The possibilities for the manufacture of space ships are now incomparable with what was then. And the possibilities for designing these same ships today are completely different (thanks to the same computers and automated design systems).

That is, today, “svayat” system, similar to the legendary APOLLO, much easier and cheaper. And the possibilities for calculating flight trajectories are completely different today. Well, how much do you do not malice that “nonnecha is not the way it was just now,” in fact, the possibility of flying to the Moon today is an order of magnitude more. However their none not in a hurry to use, more and more into the APOLLO museum are crammed. See, pofotkat, admire the "unparalleled feat" of 60's astronauts ...

NASA paper space

That's when TVs were like that, and even the Rockefeller family had no iPhones or smartphones, people flew to the moon. Today it is difficult to believe in it, but it is so!

Here they immediately begin to explain that Americans, six once flown to the moon, they removed all the cream in this matter. And then immediately a counter question: "Why six time? "What is it? What does this prove? After all, the question was exactly who first set foot on the dusty surface of the moon. It seems the first was Armstrong. The question has been closed Apollo-11. All the cream was removed already. Every flight costs money, big money. But these devils continued to warp on the moon as in a shop on Friday evening.

But every flight is not only big money, but also a big risk. In space, anything can happen, and the "technicals" on the moon can not send ... Well, one time, well, a maximum of two. And everything - to drink, to wash the victory ... But no, they flew and flew ... as if at an official expense in Sochi in the summer ... What is there, on the Moon, with honey smeared? It seems to me, precisely because of the perseverance of the Americans on the moon worth a look. Something they dug there ... Gold Kolchak?

You see what the focus is: the whole story of the “unprecedented feat of the American people” is full of inconsistencies and blunders — before the APOLLO program, the Americans were clearly inferior to us in the manned cosmonautics. Then a bright breakthrough! Then ... nothing. Only the shuttle, which "broke". But this does not happen. And where did the Saturn-5 launch vehicle “evaporate”? Saturn engine? Author not is a specialist in rocket comic technology, but the “miracle on the moon” cannot but raise questions.

Rotate the corps de ballet six times with access to Earth's orbit, flight to the Moon, reassembly, uncoupling, trouble-free landing on an unexplored planet, starting from the lunar surface, docking in the lunar orbit, starting from the lunar orbit to Earth, diving into the ocean next with an aircraft carrier (from the second space velocity!) ... Yes, it is necessary to pray to the American engineers! You still know: in itself, landing on Earth from the second space station is already a very difficult task for manned cosmonautics. Child task, even today.

No, as a computer simulation is not so interesting, but to translate all this into metal ... Once again: the one who set the task (to go to the moon!) Was an obvious amateur. Because today it is not clear whether this is at all possible (that is, to fly there and return back, come back alive). Why did this invoke such a violent “enthusiasm” among space designers? And the fact is that their “passion” is very expensive. And under the "Moon Program" could get billions. And develop the space program with all my might.

At the same time there was no deception as such: the moon theoretically achievable for humans using rocket technology. It is only necessary to load the carrier more forcefully ... which is what the Russian / American were doing. And by the way, the Russians and the Americans had serious problems with the carrier.

“At the beginning of May 1966, the first tests were carried out to launch the“ Saturn ”into open space, which were not crowned with success - at the time of launch, the second stage of the rocket failed and was completely destroyed. After that, it was decided to send the rocket to the necessary revision and tentatively at the beginning of 1967, to conduct repeated tests on its launch. But in the end, the rocket spent much time on repair work than originally planned, and only on November 9 of the year 1967 was able to make another attempt at an unmanned flight, which this time proved to be very successful.

The next flight, which took place on 4 on April 1968, was to confirm the well-established performance of the rocket and be final in a series of planned tests, but failed due to the failure of the second-stage engines, and the third stage was completely torn apart at the time of launch. In general, there were a lot of problems, and for their solution long repairs were planned. After just 8 months after the great failure of 4 on April 1968, the Saturn-5 was launched with people on board, heading straight for the Moon. As a result, July 20 of 1969 was already the year American astronauts landed on the surface of the moon for the first time in the history of mankind ”


Why such a long quote - about our “sufferings” when creating a carrier, everything was heard (there were discussions in the internet, sometimes in raised voices!), But as for the Americans ... for some reason everyone thinks that they had everything “bundle”. You read, it means that everything is bad and breaks at the start (rocket men are discussed for dozens of pages of the forum), and grief, and shame, and ganba ... and then suddenly (when we put our hands on our heads, we sit at the debris of the burned-down carrier! ) news - Americans are already walking on the moon ... And we realized that we had lost EVERYTHING. Get drunk and shoot yourself ...

The main reasons for “zrada” are the following: discord between Korolev, Chelomey and Yangel (Beria on them already did not have!); and also “insufficient financing”: allegedly the USA allocated 25 billions of “greens” to the “lunar project”, and the USSR only 2,5 billions of “wooden” - hence the result, or rather its absence. Ostensibly in the US was NASA, and we did not have NASA - hence the confusion and reeling and squabbling between competing firms.

Say anything, but the USSR was a much more centralized system than the United States. And even in space. As for money, they don't always decide everything. Money is only one of the resources. No less important people. And very critical time. To master the money (do not cut!), You need time and qualified professionals. Having filled up the project with money, we will not solve the problems. Strange as it may sound. Then (along the way) it turns out that "the guys need to be prepared here," that is, the guys are smart, but they need Cookthen it turns out that the R & D themselves need not only money, but also time.

Suddenly. That is, first, the “genius / general designer” will knock out money, people and equipment, and then ... then we will find out that everything is not so simple. The process has begun, but the result is still far away. And America is not much different from Russia. So, in 66-68, Saturns in America explode, and in 1969, the H-1s in the USSR begin to break. Lepote ...

Here you know, colleagues, I look at all this disgrace (retrospectively) and make one unfamiliar conclusion: Earthlings could not fly to the moon at the end of 60's ... not to shoulder. No, it is certainly possible to try and experiment, nobody forbids it. But before the real flight to the moon and back ... as before the same moon on foot. It’s simply pointless to compare astronauts to low-Earth orbit flights. Different things never before.

The space program has rested on the technical / economic / temporary ceiling. But what about the Americans with their 25 "lard" (in the prices of the end of 60's!)? Did they have a higher ceiling? Well, you have a non-working launch vehicle and a lot of dough next to it. Has it become easier? Here there is such a "ring" logic. Why were the Americans able to solve technical problems with the launch vehicle? Because they were more advanced in technology. And why are they more advanced in technology? Well, they landed on the moon! It even kids know!

For some reason, everyone assumes that the United States РјРѕРіР »Ryo deliver a man to the moon (two pieces at once!), but the USSR is not (even one)! Proceed from the fact that Neil Armstrong 20 July 1969 of the year ... and this is recognized by all ... Well, cool! The moonlit path shines with silver ... People like to believe in miracles, they like fairy tales about princesses and dragons. You know, as one old Odessa Jew said: “It can be difficult for a doctor to believe in the Immaculate Conception.”



At the beginning of 60, the United States lagged behind the USSR in space technology. Inhabited capsules of the USSR had thick, solid walls, and there was no problem with creating an internal atmosphere. Gemini had problems with strong walls and an atmosphere. By the way, yes, the Americans were burning in the oxygen atmosphere at the beginning of 60's, but we also had such a precedent. How much was common in our space programs ... And then, suddenlyAmericans committed giant leap forward. Literally eight years after the flight of Gagarin.

Why would it suddenly? What were the reasons for this? By the way, we did finish the H-1 already at the beginning of 70's and never finished it ... But the Americans had a lot of money ... And what will it give you when the carrier explodes and the time is up? No, if we are talking about a systematic long-term work for the future (by the middle of 70's, maybe by the end of it, fly), then yes - money becomes the decisive factor. But when it is necessary to fly tomorrow, but neither the Russians nor their American “competitors” have a working heavy launch vehicle for going into orbit ...

What will give you the "quadrillion deneh" in this situation? Buy zaboristoy dope on the whole team? The refusal of the USSR from the "Lunar race" is one of the most reasonable decisions of the "party and government". No, they harnessed, figured out how complicated and expensive ... and refused. We needed the “quadrillion” for other purposes. One of the reasons for failure is high risks for the crew. Rather, the beyond. Loss of an automatic station is just the loss of an automatic station. To risk people is another.

But the Americans were not afraid and took the risk ... and won. Here, you know, this is what leads to serious reflections - this win in Russian roulette. How well they all came together, no matter how much they twisted the drum of a revolver ... And were there cartridges in the drum? It hurts too much fun Americans jump on the surface a stranger hostile planet. They also dragged the buggy there and drove it onto the buggy. What a moon is near and home ... like a California beach.

It's not about cowardice / courage, it's just that the environment imposes serious restrictions. In real life, astronauts on the moon are suicide bombers. There is a great chance of not returning - the equipment is completely new and not rolled. Any failure, mistake and ... everything, hello. Gymnasts under the dome of the circus without insurance. But how confident they are! And how confident the leadership of the flight program is ... Time after time sending people to the “minefield”.

As it turned out much later, with the flight of Gagarin, things were not so smooth as with Leonov’s exit into outer space ...

“During the flight of Gagarin, 11 of emergency situations were detected”

“Soviet cosmonauts spent the first spacewalk two and a half months earlier than the Americans. Everyone knows that. But very few people know that in the flight of the ship "Voskhod-2", on board which were Pavel Belyaev (commander) and Alexey Leonov (co-pilot), there were several serious emergency situations. And three or four of them are deadly. ”

“28 November 1966 of the year the launch of the“ first ”automatic“ Union-1 ”(which was later renamed TASS in the“ Cosmos-133 ”) ended with an emergency de-orbit. 14 December 1966 of the launch of the Soyuz-2 also ended abnormally, and even with the destruction of the launch pad (there was no open information about this Union-2). ”


And it all happened when flying on orbit of planet earth. The technique is new, the risk is fatal. So what about the fact that: “Gagarin flew into space, did not see God ...”, I do not agree. In the storm sea not happens atheists. And here people walk very close to death. So for sure, Gagarin remembered God in orbit repeatedly, and Leonov, when he stuck in the airlock.

But the Americans already at the end of 60-s with technology (much more complex) everything was fine. Problems? No problem!

But ours and their space technology was in many respects similar and about the same level. Where does such a gap in the results come from? The results of more powerful financing would have affected ... in ten to fifteen years. If the technical solution is not developed, buy its impossible how much money you allocate for this.

The funny thing is that further, instead of developing Saturns, the Americans created Shuttles. Which began to actively explode, and which had to be abandoned. Just the truth is very similar. And now they fly on Russian carriers (heirs of the Armstrong's glory ...).

A lot has been written about the “moon swindle”: the first publications appeared already at the beginning of 70's and in the USA. It's simple: technically literate people began to doubt. Doubt the very possibility of flying to the moon at the level the technologies. The author shares these doubts: to fly to the moon, based on technologies that do not guarantee the safety of flights to the Earth’s orbit, is absolutely impossible. From the word at all.

Analyzing photos from the moon ... it's something with something, but let's leave it to photographic technicians. But recently it turned out that the film, on which the first landing on the Moon was recorded, got lost somewhere ... Yes, a lot of the archives disappeared due to an oversight. But not only.

“So, for a day and a half the flight between the Earth and the Moon, when the crew didn’t have anything to do, there were practically no film clips and photos of the Earth and the Moon ... There are, of course, funny episodes of the American original genre of “game documentary” inside the confined space of Apollo with a duration of no more than 40 seconds, which can easily be taken on board a plane falling along a parabola, but no more. And where are the unique frames of the receding and rotating Earth or the approaching and rotating Moon, which nowhere and never again could it be taken from the hands, except in such flights? There are no such records. ”

From the comical: recently it turned out that the Americans no reliable model of "space toilet". What was on the ISS is broken ...

And the first real American "space sortiry" were built on the Shuttle, but they were unsuccessful. The devil, as they say, in the details. But how did they fly to the moon, without a toilet? Good question…

It's funny: almost half a century has passed since the first flight, and the debate continues. Were or were not? The author, not being a specialist in nuclear physics, leaves the Van-Allen belt problem aside.

No, of course, there are a lot of great research on this “heroic topic” topic, it is very difficult to compete here. But if it’s just easy to analyze well-known facts at your leisure, without going into research ... then even then it will be extremely difficult to believe in “expedition”. That is to believe in Armstrong, "dancing" on the moon, still somehow possible (we all read fairy tales in childhood), but to believe in the flight "back and forth" six times on the 60 technique is incredibly problematic. If he was a hobbit ...

Although Ostap Ibrahimovic would certainly appreciate the project.



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  1. +15
    13 February 2017 06: 19
    I have long wanted to write about this same “immortal feat”, that is, about the flight to the moon.
    only the lazy did not write ...
    1. +6
      13 February 2017 19: 05
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      only the lazy did not write ..

      And moderators with incomprehensible laughing stubbornly miss these nonsense!
      1. +24
        13 February 2017 19: 37
        And moderators with incomprehensible laughing persistence pass these nonsense!


        smile Why ravings. The fact is that today, it is a matter of faith, or do you believe in flying to the moon or not. Since it is technically impossible to prove, as well as to refute. At one time, I sacredly believed in flying, not out of a love of Americans, but out of faith in human progress and reason. And what is the general difference, who flew, if the Americans flew, then the Russians would fly too. Unfortunately, my experience of finding and bringing to light the big financial villains played a cruel joke. Being on a business trip to the USA, I just came across this phenomenon for the first time, the absolute disbelief of the enlightened citizens of this country, which seems to be such an indisputable fact. Why so unpatriotic? He began to dig, and the more he dug, the more terrible a wall of disappointment loomed. This wall fell on me, after parsing the financial reports of the Apollo program in the Library of Congress. The fact is that the NASA library, by law, is not obliged to store materials (!) And the loss of such is not responsible, therefore, neither Johnson's center, nor Ames, nor Glenn have any invoice information, even closed. Everything that is in Johnson, word for word you will find in others. But hiding the financial documents of the US Congress is a federal crime, and these documents, in particular NASA budgets in the years of "launches," are present. With certain manipulations, anyone can get them. So they opened for me, as a specialist in financial crime, the whole oil painting of the Apollo program. For me it was not an easy truth. So difficult that I do not even feel like convincing anyone of this. Well, children believe in Santa Claus, well, let them believe, it's easier for them .....
        1. +11
          13 February 2017 19: 51
          As i understand you fellow Alas, for the most part people will be better off believing in fairy tales, for it is easier to live that way. sad To admit to yourself that you believed in deception is much harder than blaming all heretics like you and heretics wassat Therefore, they will clutch at the saving straws of their faith, rejecting the life rafts of truth Yes
          They did not fly to the moon, did not fly No. hi
          1. +5
            13 February 2017 20: 08
            Therefore, they will clutch at the saving straws of their faith, rejecting the life rafts of truth yes


            Frankly, I do not laugh and do not blame. Even with nervousness I am waiting for an attempt to fly to the moon, because it is she who will show the failure of the Apollo program, even in such a generalized and truncated form. I'd like to believe that humanity has not blocked the road to space.
        2. +1
          13 February 2017 22: 46
          Quote: Asadullah
          Since it is technically impossible to prove, as well as to refute.

          It is theories that prove theories, they do not refute, and the Americans have no proof.
      2. 0
        13 February 2017 20: 21
        If you just want to delete (that is, to censor) say so, but seriously, you should point out the rule item that is violated here, and there’s nothing to go around.
      3. +2
        13 February 2017 22: 45
        bayonet! do not want or do not know how to think! It is ridiculous, of course, but the example with the toilet is higher than the wind blowing on the flag on the moon! And natural needs are relevant on Earth. Do you doubt it? Try it, shut up! ... moderator, understand ...
      4. 0
        26 August 2017 15: 09
        And what is nonsense then? A common question - would you fly to the moon, be on the moon, start from the moon, fly to Earth and land in spacesuits full of feces? Yes, with such invigorating jumps to the public.
  2. +20
    13 February 2017 06: 28
    to all the author’s arguments, I note that thousands of people, including astronauts, should have participated in the “falsifications”. For 50 years, it would certainly have "leaked" from the make-up artist, stuntman, etc. This did not happen, although this person would have got rich.
    I think that the Americans were on the moon.
    1. +59
      13 February 2017 06: 30
      Quote: Olgovich
      I think that the Americans were on the moon.

      they just forgot how it is done ... they lost their technology, they lost soil and film samples — it happens ... yes they would still poke us with this nose! but no ... keep quiet modestly .. well flew .. what to remember about it?
      1. +21
        13 February 2017 09: 37
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Quote: Olgovich
        I think that the Americans were on the moon.

        they just forgot how it is done ... they lost their technology, they lost soil and film samples — it happens ... yes they would still poke us with this nose! but no ... keep quiet modestly .. well flew .. what to remember about it?

        So it is - technology is lost. Those devices, rockets, etc., that were used to carry out the flight, are not produced. It happens. For example, undertake now to produce an authentic steam engine of the beginning of the 20th century with a triple expansion steam engine .. Of course, you can do it, but production technology will have to be restored And the steam engine will work, firstly, not very quickly, and secondly, quite- still expensive. It would not be more expensive than currently produced and much more complex locomotives.
        But the article - this is another discussion on the topic - this can not be because this can never be!
        By fate, from 1984 to 1987 he worked in Bolshevo (now the city of Yubileiny) at the NII-4 MO as a designer. There, right on the territory of military unit 25840 (Research Institute of Strategic Missile Forces) there was another military unit - I don’t remember the number, the first two digits of 75 - this is another MCC. In the late 60s, they made a new one, which is now located in the Queen (formerly Kaliningrad) and shown on TV, but this one was constantly functioning in the backup mode.
        Communicated with people who worked there in the 60s - 70s. None of them even had doubts that the Americans flew to the moon. The reasons are in real flight tracking, listening to the radio, etc. Means of objective control were then. And no one had any doubts about the perfect flight - everything was transparent. Doubts were only in the filming - even then it was clear that the published filming was largely staged and performed to a large extent. In the pavilion on Earth.
        1. +30
          13 February 2017 09: 55
          Quote: andj61
          Communicated with people who worked there in the 60s - 70s. None of them even had doubts that the Americans flew to the moon. The reasons are in real flight tracking, listening to the radio, etc. Means of objective control were then.

          Did these people have evidence? Radio exchange, what was open? Directly available on the air! Unencrypted! And the controls that recorded the landing on the moon? Or just a start and a subsequent flight in Earth orbit? What did you decide to surprise?
          1. +19
            13 February 2017 10: 03
            Quote: Stas157
            Did these people have evidence? Radio exchange, what was open? Directly available on the air! Unencrypted! And the controls that recorded the landing on the moon? Or just a start and a subsequent flight in Earth orbit? What did you decide to surprise?

            The funny thing is that! Open and unencrypted radio! Nothing was encrypted then. And the television signal was also unencrypted. And ours from orbit caught him, and the Americans. I can’t say anything about the television signal from the moon ... But the stations and tracking ships in order to ensure space flights in the USSR were - and functioned perfectly. And all the information on all launches in the USSR flocked to the MCC.
            Of course, the very fact of a person being in an aircraft was not recorded by our means of objective control. But all other data testified to the completion of flights. If we really believe in conspiracy theory, then it should be argued that the radio is tuned.
            But now they say that there were no flights to the moon, no landings on it and no take-offs from the moon. And this is not at all true, and is confirmed just by the data of objective control obtained by the USSR.
            1. +10
              13 February 2017 10: 50
              Quote: andj61
              The funny thing is that! Open and unencrypted radio! Nothing was encrypted then.

              Seriously? So directly and why not? And I was a stupid thought that everything is over secret there! And they’re right like that, that's all about garlic, but openly, on the air, about all the problems!))
              1. +10
                13 February 2017 11: 25
                This is not a military program to keep everything secret. On the contrary, a prestige race. Well, turn on at least the simplest logic.
                1. +19
                  13 February 2017 11: 56
                  You are deeply mistaken. ANY space flight carries an additional military component. Especially at that time (more precisely, it was the other way round, first military tasks and then civilian tasks). After all, it was not in vain that the astronauts were given ranks by military awards. This is not just that. In if you recall that some of our stations carried weapons, it will immediately become clear that there was a need for secure communication.
                  1. +7
                    13 February 2017 13: 29
                    Quote: alstr
                    In if you recall that some of our stations carried weapons, it will immediately become clear that there was a need for secure communication.

                    The connection in the East Rises and Apollos, along with all sorts of Gemini, was, oddly enough, open and unencrypted.
                    1. 0
                      23 May 2017 13: 16
                      The question “about communication” - adds “faith in Apollos”. For this very question was failed immediately before A11. The United States did not have a stable connection even for nearby distances, not to mention the moon. This was one of the main unsolved problems before the start of the “flights”. Which, by a wave of the "magic wand", "miraculously" resolved itself without any successful tests and checks before the "geinal flight." So about "radio communication" - this is for amateurs please.
                  2. 0
                    13 February 2017 19: 26
                    Quote: alstr
                    ANY space flight carries an additional military component

                    can you learn about the military awards of Americans for space flights?
                    1. +1
                      14 February 2017 14: 23
                      So NASA is a civic organization. Therefore, there were no military awards. Which, however, does not negate the fact that the American astronauts carry out the tasks of the military department.
                      In our country, astronautics was initially almost completely military, and human flights are already a free application.
                  3. +1
                    14 February 2017 17: 15
                    Quote: alstr
                    In if you recall that some of our stations carried weapons, it will immediately become clear that there was a need for secure communication.

                    I wonder what kind of weapon was carried by "part of our stations" ??? If the pistols are for self-defense, if they were issued to protect against a possible attack by predators upon landing, then I admit.
                2. +2
                  14 February 2017 12: 46
                  Quote: EternalStranger
                  This is not a military program to keep everything secret.

                  The purpose of the Lunar Program is to develop revolutionary technologies that will make US corporations, and then the United States, unattainable world leaders, at the expense of the taxpayer, rather than landing on the moon. In the USSR, no one asked what purpose "people's money" would be spent on. The USSR was needed played as a scarecrow for US taxpayers. It is no coincidence that Soviet space technologies were secreted, they didn’t enter the national economy, and in the “dashing” 90s they left for the USA for nothing. We can say that the goals of the US administration have been achieved.
                  The technologies of that time did not allow to make a single successful manned flight to the moon and back. Here we have the unconditional triumph of Hollywood. The leadership of the USSR also ensured the "success" of promoting the "lunar program" of the United States, and then self-destructed.
                  But have not forgotten how Obama declared the "Martian program"?
              2. +2
                13 February 2017 15: 40
                The flight was already a fact
                1. +1
                  13 February 2017 15: 41
                  Technical realities
                2. +2
                  13 February 2017 21: 00
                  Yeah, there was only space casing in the photo, screwed with self-tapping screws, and such photos especially with the lunar module standing on the moon are enough.
            2. PPD
              +13
              13 February 2017 11: 10
              Cool, but:
              firstly, first names, surnames, nicknames of those who had no doubt. And what is their doubt built on.
              secondly, the author wrote a video of the approaching-receding Earth? AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU !?
              thirdly, what are the means of objective control?
              fourthly, and their publication, oh yes, it is top secret to read before reading.
              fifthly, “Both ours and Americans caught him from orbit” On the Moon’s orbit, so that the Russians don’t doubt it. Movie cameras on the moon, the KGB, members of the Politburo, for sure ..
              I can continue if not enough ....
              1. +4
                13 February 2017 13: 48
                Quote: PPD
                firstly, first names, surnames, nicknames of those who had no doubt. And what is their doubt built on.

                Google to help you! The opinions of G. Grechko and A. Leonov pop up immediately.
                Quote: PPD
                secondly, the author wrote a video of the approaching-receding Earth?

                ??????
                Quote: PPD
                thirdly, what are the means of objective control?

                This is any means of tracking an aircraft — from optical — ALL Americans’ landing sites on the moon are perfectly visible through a telescope, and even a lunar car is visible through a household telescope, not like a landing module — to radar and simple radio.
                Quote: PPD
                fourthly, and their publication, oh yes, it is top secret to read before reading.

                Publishing what? Negotiation? If you google it, you will quite find it - in NASA's materials - American, in our materials - ours. Cross Sources? Who knows, maybe there is somewhere.
                Quote: PPD
                fifthly, “Ours and Americans caught him from orbit” On the Moon’s orbit, so that the Russians don’t doubt it. Movie cameras on the moon, the KGB, members of the Politburo, for sure.

                What are you talking about? Speak still more clearly!
                The radio signal from orbit during the flights of the East-Sunrises was quietly caught and listened by the Americans and even our ordinary citizens. As well as vice versa. They simply did not encrypt the negotiations then. Later, when flights began to be made, as a rule, in the interests of the military, they began to encrypt.
                1. +19
                  13 February 2017 20: 01
                  Quote: andj61
                  ALL the landing sites of Americans on the moon are perfectly visible through a telescope, and even a moon mobile is visible through a household telescope, not like a landing module

                  You have been misled.
                  Sorry, but in childhood I was fond of astronomy and even made home-made telescopes. There is a telescope now. School refractor, 80 mm lens. Let it be household by your definition.
                  So, one of the main parameters of a telescope is the diameter of its lens (for a refractor) or a mirror (for a reflector). The larger the diameter of the lens (and, accordingly, the aperture), the weaker the stars we will see and the smaller details we can distinguish on the same moon.
                  The resolution of the telescope is measured in angular seconds and calculated by the formula 140 / D, where D is the diameter of the lens in mm. And the maximum available magnitude for the telescope is calculated by the formula m = 5,5 + 2,5lgD + 2,5lgГ, where D is the diameter of the lens in mm., G is the magnification of the telescope, (the increase is determined by dividing the focal length of the lens by the focus of the eyepiece). Also, the diameter of the lens determines the maximum magnification of the telescope. It is equal to twice the diameter of the telescope objective in millimeters. For example, a telescope with a lens diameter of 150 mm has a maximum useful magnification of 300 times.
                  How large are the planets visible in the telescope? With a magnification of 100 times, one angular second corresponds to 0.12 mm visible from a distance of 25 cm. From here, you can calculate the diameter of the planet visible through a telescope with a certain increase. Dp = G x 0.0012 x d, where Dp is the diameter of the planet in mm visible in the projection onto the plane with a distance to the plane of 25 cm, G is the magnification of the telescope, d is the diameter of the planet in angular seconds. For example, the diameter of Jupiter is 46 angles. sec and with a magnification of 100x, it will look like a circle drawn on paper with a diameter of 5.5 mm from a distance of 25 cm.
                  The distance to the moon is known, and the dimensions of the rover and landing modules are known. What is sine and tangent we know from the school course of geometry, so determining their apparent angular value is not difficult. Calculator to help (engineering).
                  Without going into details I’ll say that with a household telescope with a lens diameter of 60 - 80 mm, you can see a crater on the moon with a diameter of about 8 km, with a lens of 130 - 150 mm, you can see objects with a size of 3 - 5 km, but at 200 - 250 mm it will be possible to distinguish formations even less than 1.5 km. All this in a calm atmosphere.
                  The most powerful telescopes, such as the Soviet BTA, or the American 5 m telescope of the Hale Palomar Observatory, and the Keck telescope with a 10-meter segmented mirror, can be seen not in the details of the formation of the order of 100 - 150 meters, but not a rover or a landing stage.
                  All the best! hi
                  1. +2
                    13 February 2017 21: 24
                    Quote: villain
                    There is a telescope now. School refractor, 80 mm lens. Let it be household by your definition.

                    good
                    And I had to take from the school in deep secrecy from the principal a kind of house rental thanks to the understanding of the physicist who taught astronomy winked So I had the good fortune to look at the stars with interest, rather than lying on my back under the fence winked
                    1. +3
                      13 February 2017 21: 38
                      Quote: Rurikovich
                      So I had the good fortune to look at the stars with interest,

                      Astronomy is an interesting subject! She was removed from school first or among the first. Why - it becomes clear even after reading the children's books of A. Volkov "Earth and Sky" and A. Tomilin "Sky of the Earth." I mean the collusion of secular authorities and priests (spiritual authority).
                2. +10
                  13 February 2017 20: 14
                  ALL Americans’ landing sites on the Moon are perfectly visible through a telescope, and even a lunar car is visible through a household telescope, not like a landing module - up to radar and simple radio.


                  laughing Is it on the invisible side of the moon? I feel sorry for you....
                  1. aba
                    +5
                    13 February 2017 21: 11
                    Is it on the invisible side of the moon? I feel sorry for you...
                    I remember how they announced the landing of the Americans on the moon and I remember a mixed feeling and how strong these emotions were: both joy and sorrow ... Why, no need to explain. Statements like these just had to be believed. I'm just sure that all the people of the USSR succumbed to such emotions. And emotions are a bad adviser.
                    Only the farther this time went, the more soberly one could look impartially at this event. And I was surprised that this adventure passed without a single human sacrifice. And it's not about gloating: both then and after, the cosmos was harvesting from human lives. And yes, the American Saturns suffered one catastrophe after another during the trials, and flew to the Moon without a hitch. Why?! And why, having a powerful trump card like Saturn, the USA did not begin to develop it? It’s not only flights to the moon, it’s also weapons, it’s space stations and others. Most likely, Saturn was not what the Americans gave it out for, so he quickly left the stage, and the lost technology had nothing to do with it.
                    1. +5
                      13 February 2017 21: 38
                      Most likely, Saturn was not what the Americans gave it out for, so he quickly left the stage, and the lost technology had nothing to do with it.


                      Saturn, the brainchild of genius von Braun. 1b, a completely high-quality rocket on which all the US cosmonautics studied. What is Saturn 5? This is a killing dream for interplanetary flights. The Americans slaughtered for geopolitical purposes. If Werner ended up in the USSR, even as a prisoner of war, then most likely his dream would come true. Alas, the man who lived in outer space all his life ended his life at the age of 65 with no access to rockets. Imagine the Queen and the opportunity to end the same way. I do not believe that he was killed there, he died of grief, as the youngest Margrit said. I take off my hat to the geniuses of astronautics, it so happens that a smelly policy will kill everything for the sake of my dear ...
                      1. 0
                        13 February 2017 23: 03
                        Quote: Asadullah
                        If Werner ended up in the USSR, even as a prisoner of war, then most likely his dream would come true.

                        I wouldn’t! With chemical fuel, you can only slightly rise above the atmosphere. Nuclear engines are needed, without them, no space will conquer any Werner.
                3. +4
                  14 February 2017 12: 16
                  You ask the all-knowing Google to tell you how the Americans squeezed out our radio reconnaissance ships from the area over which the Apollo launch track passed. And how any attempts to track this route crushed by interference. Why's that?
                  About the views of Grechko, Leonov - not interesting. They were not on the moon at that moment. And the track "information from the means of objective control", that is, the screens of the locator that would track the entire flight, preferably two or three locators - alas, no. From the word at all! Neither among us, nor among Europeans, nor among the Japanese. American “evidence” is not accepted for obvious reasons.
                4. +2
                  14 February 2017 18: 00
                  Lunomobile is IMPOSSIBLE to see in a household telescope. You cannot even see it in a 150 mm reflector - atmospheric refraction and the low resolution of the mirror interfere with it. In general, even the most powerful telescopes in the world could not make out on the moon such fine details as I know.
            3. +1
              14 February 2017 04: 43
              I haven’t met such naivety yet - pink childhood is still playing in the backyard and it is covering my eyes ...- humanitarians however ... and the same thing in a bald old man with a halo over a head sitting on a cloud, however, believe it - such cards were sold - than not proof of his real existence (of God) ...
          2. +9
            13 February 2017 15: 51
            Yes they flew, flew. Just because of the failure of the toilet, the whole cabin was littered and the windows too, so there was no way to shoot from the cabin, and the most photogenic shots, of course, were shot on the ground.
        2. +22
          13 February 2017 11: 55
          Quote: andj61
          this cannot be because this can never be!

          My 5 cents.
          At a distance of 24 000 km from Earth, radiation kills all life. There is no protection.
          From Earth to the Moon 380 000 km.
          Any questions? Then ask them for yourself! bully
          1. +13
            13 February 2017 13: 34
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            At a distance of 24 000 km from Earth, radiation kills all life. There is no protection.
            From Earth to the Moon 380 000 km.
            Any questions? Then ask them for yourself!

            If it were all that simple ... Kills all living things - where did you get this from? GMP and Glonas satellites fly much higher, but they work fine! with such radiation that "kills all living things" no electronics would live long. Most likely, she would have died within hours. But, oddly enough, spacecraft fly to Mars, Venus, and even all kinds of Jupiters-Saturns. request
            Any questions? wink
            1. +11
              13 February 2017 19: 04
              The argument is interesting, there is a question. Pay attention to how our astronauts get (even after a week of stay in orbit) from the descent capsule. After landing, they recover for a long time. And compare how vigorously the Americans jump (there are also chronicles) after flying to the moon (practically in a fixed position, look at Apollo from the inside, there is nowhere for the crew to spit, not to mention physical exercises). And start by asking yourself how this is possible. Then look at the chronicle of the conductions, the capsules being lowered as new — despite the fact that they have literally passed through hell, the engineer must say a lot.
              1. 0
                13 February 2017 23: 19
                In fact, there is nowhere to spit - it's about our Unions. Apollo is twice as large and much longer in diameter. And in the descent vehicle they have many times more places than ours. And there were simulators on the Apollo. What you are saying is true for their earlier ship, Jameny - his lander is substantially smaller than that of the Union. It seems that the Union has a little less than two cubes, and Jameny has about one. To spend three days in flight, practically not moving, and then vigorously climb out of the Gemini descent vehicle, it always surprised me.
                When our astronauts flew for a week in the Union, then they barely moved. When flying to the station and back in the Union, they usually spend no more than two days. During this time, they do not have time to very badly come into poor physical condition. Another thing is a multi-month flight. Here in zero gravity and at the station, bone degradation begins. Because of this, any physical activity is contraindicated, so the astronauts are lying.
                In general, I do not see real facts that make it possible to doubt the implementation of the action almost 50 years ago the lunar program of the United States.
                1. +2
                  14 February 2017 01: 08

                  This is a command module and a command-service module. The flight took place in the command. The service module is an integral part of the Apollo orbital ship, which contains the ship’s service systems, including the propulsion system and control system engines, fuel for them (about 75% of the module’s mass), an electric power plant using oxygen-hydrogen fuel cells, and a communication system . The module provides all the maneuvers of the ship along the flight path to the Moon, the correction of the path, the orbit of the artificial satellite of the Moon, the transition from the lunar orbit to the flight path to the Earth and the correction of the return path, its power plant supplies the crew with electricity and drinking water, from which the balloons installed in it receive oxygen ship life support system. As water from the shots of the command module (and the sizes can be very clearly defined) there is only room for three in spacesuits, we don’t talk about any simulators (do not forget that besides the crew there are a lot of control equipment, seats, a waste management system- 8 days without a toilet is unlikely.) Do not find that everything is clogged tightly
                  Pictured inside astronaut Michael Collins during
                  preflight training on
                  command module simulator
                  1969 g. It seems like they were not dwarfs. Well, faith. Well, everyone vibrates for himself, despite the reality.
                  1. 0
                    14 February 2017 08: 10
                    Quote: basmach
                    Do not find that everything is clogged tightly

                    Of course, tight! The exercise bike there was right on the ceiling (conditional ceiling, of course). And as for the dense location - in the Union, even the technology of landing in the module was specially worked out, as well as the way out of it - otherwise you just can't get in or get out of there, so crowded. Estimate the mutual sizes of the ships.
                    1. +3
                      14 February 2017 18: 52
                      All this large size is a service module, which is written above, a command is a cone (it is not visible here). Nowhere in the descriptions of the Apollos I did not find the presence of an exercise bike. Physical activity - high oxygen consumption. His entire supply has to not only be dragged along, but also put into orbit first. The score in such things goes to grams., Because the capabilities of the engines are limited. In addition, in the photo of the command module, the ceiling is visible (rather low above the head), There is nowhere to cram. Take a closer look. Your belief in an exercise bike does not mean that it is on board.
                    2. +1
                      15 February 2017 12: 09
                      Congratulations on finding a great perspective. Here is just one problem - the volume of the Apollo command module is 6m3 and the Union has 5m3. The difference is less than 20%. There was no exercise bike in Apollo and could not be - there are generally two people in full growth do not fit, but only bent or sitting.
                    3. +1
                      15 February 2017 12: 15
                      Something like an exercise bike was on Skylab. But that is another story. After all, it was, in fact, made on the basis of the third stage of Saturn-5 and was incredibly ogre in external dimensions. Even by modern standards.
                2. 0
                  16 August 2017 12: 48
                  About the "simulators" on the Apollos - where does such peremptoryness come from? Where is at least one mention of them even in the technical documentation, even in the transcript of the flight reports of the teams? There is none anywhere however!
                3. 0
                  15 December 2017 04: 12
                  As for the "place many times more" and about the "simulators on the Apollo" - this is you lying a lot ... Find more real arguments.
                  As for the "doubt": today there is only one single real fact about manned flights to the moon - this is the lack of the ability to repeat them at the present time. And he is not in favor of NASA. The rest is just a matter of speaking and faith. Which "prove" nothing more than the Bible "proves" the existence of God. Do not confuse the description with reality.
            2. +7
              13 February 2017 19: 26
              Quote: andj61
              Any questions? wink

              There! wink
              F. Kuts "Towards the creation of a lunar base: leaving the Apollo heritage behind"
              Read all about how NASA’s modern engineers have to dodge having “flights” to the moon in the archives. Especially the section "Doses of radiation"
              Only read and delve slowly, maybe then there will be doubts about the tale of flying to the moon hi
              1. +6
                13 February 2017 20: 21
                Quote: Rurikovich
                Only read and delve slowly, maybe then there will be doubts about the tale of flying to the moon

                Nowadays people do not like to read, so seek and delve into Nuna. That's it, Rurikovich.
                From the Manunmoon article by Kuts? There, in general, the materials are interesting, I look every day to see if something new has appeared.
                there is material on radiation, but for me there are difficulties, I have to dive into directories.
                https://oko-planet.su/science/sciencecosmos/22551
                6-chelovek-na-lune-dozy-radiacii-pri-polete-na-lu
                nu.html
                1. +4
                  13 February 2017 21: 02
                  Quote: villain
                  From the Manunmoon article by Kuts?

                  From his darling

                  Quote: villain
                  There, in general, the materials are interesting, I look every day to see if something new has appeared.

                  The same "trouble" fellow
                  Quote: villain
                  Nowadays people do not like to read, so seek and delve into Nuna.

                  That's why they believe in fairy tales request
              2. +4
                13 February 2017 23: 21
                Rurikovich, well, our cosmonauts never denied that they were there. Well, as much as possible, they know better ...
                1. +8
                  13 February 2017 23: 28
                  Quote: MPK105
                  Rurikovich, well, our cosmonauts never denied that they were there. Well, as much as possible, they know better ...

                  Makarov said: "ordered to believe that they were there."
                  1. +3
                    13 February 2017 23: 38
                    Mordvin 3 - iron logic - it is difficult to argue with you and Makarov drinks
                    1. +3
                      13 February 2017 23: 47
                      Quote: MPK105
                      Mordvin 3 - iron logic - it is difficult to argue with you and Makarov drinks

                      So who does not allow you? There, Professor Shpakovsky called me a fool. request
                      1. +5
                        13 February 2017 23: 49
                        Never mind.
                2. +2
                  14 February 2017 06: 36
                  Quote: MPK105
                  Well, our astronauts never denied that they were there. Well, as much as possible, they know better ...

                  Cosmonauts are military men wink winked feel
                3. +2
                  14 February 2017 19: 07
                  Quote: MPK105
                  Rurikovich, well, our cosmonauts never denied that they were there

                  But they did not say, except for Grechko and Leonov, that they were there wink The astronauts are military people, and they are required to maintain the official version. Moreover, when the country suddenly began to sell oil and gas and buy cheap grain, in an instant it suddenly became a handshake in the West laughing The main thing is the economy, and the fact that the Americans sing about the moon there - let them sing ... We know the truth lol
                4. 0
                  15 December 2017 04: 15
                  And what, all the astronauts were interviewed? Or did Leonov report for everyone?
              3. 0
                13 February 2017 23: 27
                I read this and objections to it. From the real - this is what astronauts did not begin to talk with him after they learned about his goal to verify the reality of flights.
                But I also refused - someone comes up to the real hero and says, I want to promote your heroism, pouring a bunch of shit on you. Help me with this. bully
                All other arguments are easily refuted. Even in the comments to this article, there are references to such refutations.
                1. +4
                  13 February 2017 23: 54
                  Quote: andj61
                  Never mind.

                  On Shpakovsky? It is difficult to debate with him. He, a bastard, taught the history of the CPSU. Knows how to chatter. negative
            3. +1
              13 February 2017 20: 10
              Quote: andj61
              Kills all living things - where did you get this from?

              "Eye of the planet" gave such an info. I'll find a link.
              Quote: andj61
              that "kills all living things" no electronics would live long. Most likely, she would have died within hours. But, oddly enough, spacecraft fly to Mars, Venus, and even all kinds of Jupiters-Saturns.

              So nobody argues about this. But microelectronics, it also happens to be different. For example, special demands are made to the military and space. Therefore, they survive in such conditions. If you are interested in expanding the horizon of your knowledge in this area, I give a link. There will be questions - write.
              https://oko-planet.su/science/sciencenews/356695-
              mikroelektronika-dlya-kosmosa-i-voennyh.html
              Best regards, hi
              1. 0
                13 February 2017 23: 42
                Now it’s inconvenient to look at the link - I’m writing from the phone. But as far as I recall, military-grade microelectronics and space differ from the usual only in their reliability and resistance to vibration. It is not resistant to radiation. And there the question is precisely in high-energy radiation - gamma and x-ray. In reality, most likely, these emissions are damped by the body of the aircraft - better than steel, there can only be lead in this regard. 24 km is, as I recall, the height of the Earth's radiation belts, which protect the Earth from cosmic radiation. But how dangerous this radiation is, no studies have been conducted, everything is only at the level of estimates. Here is one of the evaluators who claims that all life outside the radiation belts of the Earth will perish. Others are not so categorical. They say that there is danger, but the ship’s hull completely protects from radiation.
                In addition, almost all manned vehicles go into space through the plus of the Earth, and there the radiation belt of the Earth does not protect it. And nothing bad happens. And from staying at the pole, it seems, it’s not audible that someone was hurt, but the Amundsen-Scott station is located at the South Pole.
                The most dangerous thing is to get exposed to solar emissions. And one lunar Apollo fell under him, astronauts received an increased dose of radiation - and nothing more. hi
                1. +3
                  14 February 2017 02: 21
                  You are mistaken, it is the space class that is distinguished from all others by its resistance to radiation. Only pleasure is expensive.
                2. 0
                  15 February 2017 12: 21
                  Thicker than 1mm duralumin there you will not make armor. More is possible, but certainly not on the order of a few cm. I would duplicate the systems so that a malfunction due to radiation could be recognized and corrected.
            4. +5
              13 February 2017 20: 48
              Quote: andj61
              Any questions?

              He promised - found:
              Above 24 000 km above the Earth, radiation kills all life https://oko-planet.su/science/sciencecosmos/35646
              9-vyshe-24-000-km-nad-zemley-radiaciya-ubivaet-vs
              e-zhivoe.html
              Van Ailen Belts are two concentric toroidal radiation belts spanning the Earth. They contain high-energy charged particles emitted by the Sun and captured by the Earth's magnetic field.
              The moon has no Van Allen belts. She also does not have a protective atmosphere. It is open to all solar winds. If a strong solar flare occurred during the lunar expedition, a colossal flux of radiation would incinerate both the capsules and the astronauts on that part of the lunar surface where they spent their day. This radiation is not just dangerous - it is deadly!
              In 1963, Soviet scientists told the famous British astronomer Bernard Lovell that they did not know a way to protect astronauts from the deadly effects of cosmic radiation. This meant that even much thicker metal shells of the Russian apparatus could not cope with radiation. How could the finest (almost like foil) metal used in American capsules protect astronauts? NASA knew this was impossible. Space monkeys died less than 10 days after their return, but NASA never told us the true reason for their death.
              Further even more interesting, but read for yourself ... laughing
          2. +3
            13 February 2017 21: 51
            At a distance of 24 000 km from Earth, radiation kills all life. There is no protection.


            Already at a distance of 5, the warm-blooded animal receives a colossal dose. The main supplier of which is the decay of albedo neutrons. That is, the movement of the human body along the entire length of the Van Allen belts receives a practically lethal dose, even without taking into account the stationary and quasistationary belt, which was discovered only in the 000s, which poor travelers beyond the moon rune were not even aware of.
            1. +1
              14 February 2017 23: 07
              Quote: Asadullah
              Already at a distance of 5, the warm-blooded animal receives a colossal dose. The main supplier of which is the decay of albedo neutrons


              you want to say that the "warm-blooded animal" will receive a dose of quark radiation? in my opinion this is equivalent to the fear of an overdose of neutrinos.
              ps what is this albedo neutron chimera? it seems you mixed diffuse reflection of neutrons with something else and not clear. me anyway.

              Sorry if I slandered you, I'm just a tourist in astrophysics.
              1. 0
                31 March 2018 17: 11
                The problem is not “neutrons” or “Van Allen”. The medical fact is that up to the present time no one (including NASA) is able to predict solar activity. And she changes orders of magnitude suddenly and unpredictably. A clear explanation of how NASA "guessed" the forecast of radioactivity of solar radiation seven times in a row does not exist. But ktozh pays attention to such "trifles" There are many other trifles that are "miraculously" - no one discusses and does not explain.! The laws of journalism and propaganda are everything for amateurs.
        3. +13
          13 February 2017 12: 55
          only a blank flew to the moon without life support systems and live cargo. They sent an automatic station, and trumpeted about human flight
          1. +8
            13 February 2017 15: 52
            They say the photos from the moon are too high quality, as if taken in a studio, but they were filmed by non-professionals in a hostile environment.
            Explanation. Astronauts carried the best medium format camera of the time - the Hasselblad 500EL with Zeiss Planar f / 2.8 80 mm and Zeiss Sonnar f / 5.6 250 mm lenses, as well as the latest Hasselblad 500EL Data Camera with the Zeiss Biogon f / 5.6 60 mm lens specially designed for NASA . Each camera was carefully calibrated, and the Apollo crews took an intensive course in photographing in thick gloves of a spacesuit and without using a viewfinder, which was interfered with by a helmet.
            1. +2
              13 February 2017 15: 55
              Statement. If there is a single light source - the Sun, shadows from astronauts and equipment should fall in one direction. In the photo, they fall in different ways, as if the scene was lit by several spotlights.
              Explanation. To avoid high temperatures, astronauts always landed on the moon when the sun was low above its horizon, and the rays fell hollow. Therefore, the hills and craters greatly changed the direction and length of the shadows. They were also influenced by the laws of perspective, when the shadows seem to tend to converge at one point on the horizon.
              1. +2
                13 February 2017 15: 59
                Statement. The stars are not visible in the photographs. At that time, it was difficult to calculate what the starry sky would look like from the surface of the moon, and NASA decided to remove them from the images altogether.
                Explanation. Firstly, for cameras of that time to shoot on the surface of the moon flooded with bright sunlight, it was necessary to set the fastest shutter speed, which did not allow working out specks of stars in an absolutely black sky. On the other hand, a long exposure, on the contrary, could fix the stars, but at the same time, objects that were really important for that shooting would go into the overexposure area: astronauts, landscape elements, a lander. Secondly, the stars are still visible - on the part of the photo taken from a dimly lit cabin during the flight.
                1. +1
                  13 February 2017 16: 04
                  Statement. In the airless space of the moon, the flag cannot flutter as shown in the photo.

                  Explanation. The flag was crumpled during the flight, and when it was set up by the first expedition, it was not possible to fully extend the horizontal bar of the L-shaped structure to which it was attached. The astronauts liked the random fluttering effect in the wind, and in the future they didn’t specifically deploy the structure completely.
                  1. +2
                    13 February 2017 16: 06
                    Statement. It is impossible that the supports of the 17-ton Lunar module and its rocket engines did not leave on the surface of the craters, and the footprints of the astronauts were clearly visible.

                    Explanation. After deducting fuel consumed during the flight with an oxidizing agent and taking into account weak lunar gravity, the module after landing weighed about 1 kilograms. Moreover, the area of ​​its supports was significantly larger than that of the soles of astronauts, which reduced pressure on the surface.

                    The rocket engine during the last phase of the lunar development developed traction several times less than the maximum, only compensating for the weight of the landing module so that it would not fall. According to calculations, the pressure on the surface at this moment was less than 1/10 of the atmosphere, which is completely insufficient for the formation of a crater.

                    1. +4
                      13 February 2017 20: 04
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      ALL Americans’ landing sites on the moon are perfectly visible through the telescope, and even the lunar car is visible through the household telescope, not like the landing module

                      You write so confidently ... Have you seen for yourself? There are photos?
                      No need to answer, on the moon in the form of a shallow point it is possible to consider an object with a diameter of at least 500 m.
                      Eccentric you are talkative.
                      1. +1
                        13 February 2017 23: 56
                        There are photos of even our lunar rover made with a telescope, but it is generally very small. Google and be surprised!
                    2. +1
                      13 February 2017 21: 06
                      You process your photo with magnification and clarity and you will see on this lunar module cardboard attached by self-tapping screws. If you do not want, then look on the Internet for already processed and these details are clearly visible there.
                      1. 0
                        14 February 2017 08: 55
                        No there is not any cardboard and there are no more self-tapping screws.
                    3. 0
                      16 August 2017 13: 10
                      According to calculations, the pressure on the surface at this moment was less than 1/10 of the atmosphere ...
                      I don’t know how "calculations" are carried out there in your schools - but in the photo you cited it is quite clearly observed that the force of more than a ton (by the "lunar standards" you have given) of the strictly vertically directed gas stream emitted from the engine nozzle was applied at a distance of no more than half a meter in the form of an impact (in fractions of a second) to the surface of the Moon of no more than a square meter of area. This is quite enough to "pit" even in rubble - not to mention dust. It wasn’t worth publishing this photo here ...
            2. +3
              13 February 2017 20: 11
              Quote: Vadim237
              Explanation. Astronauts had with them the best medium format camera of the time - Hasselblad 500EL

              How was the camera temperature controlled? How was the geometry of optics preserved at temperature extremes? How was the film preserved?
            3. +1
              13 February 2017 21: 03
              Photos and video cameras in all articles were attached to the chest.
            4. +6
              14 February 2017 12: 28
              Yes, yes ... They were taught to go to the toilet in the urine and kolopriemniki. And, according to rumors, they did it very well! Who is it, Armstrong, it seems, stated about a flying piece of shit in zero gravity? How many flew to the moon? And how many on the moon with full spacesuits ran? So they not only inhaled this atmosphere, but, excuse me, by the time they were told, they also ate in this atmosphere! These are the stomachs! No diarrhea!
              Damn, is there at least one hero with a capital G on Mother Earth, ready to repeat this feat ?!
              Forgive me, but all the other technical details before this simply fade.
              And after all, it is impossible to stop that process - as they say, EVEN PRYNCESSY SOMETIMES FART!
              1. 0
                31 March 2018 17: 53
                At the same time, in the air purification system, I did not find any mention of purification from CO (not to be confused with CO2), nor from methane, nor from alkaloids. And at the same time - unprecedented fire safety in pure oxygen! Especially against the background of "fried" astronauts during tests and the use of exclusively incandescent technologies (there were no others).
        4. +3
          13 February 2017 19: 40
          The reasons are in real flight tracking, listening to the radio, etc.


          laughing Are you sure that you talked with "specialists"?
        5. +3
          13 February 2017 22: 49
          Read the chip with the toilet, and you will understand a lot. Do not agree? - Try to shut up, for long enough? Is funny But vital ...
        6. +4
          13 February 2017 22: 55
          Quote: andj61
          So it is - technology is lost. Those devices, rockets, etc., that were used to carry out the flight, are not produced. It happens. For example, undertake now to produce an authentic steam engine of the beginning of the 20th century with a triple expansion steam engine ..

          But-but-but, steam locomotives stopped producing because they were replaced by more advanced heat engines, and not because "technology was lost", in fact, such a "loss of technology" is an unprecedented case in modern history.
        7. 0
          23 May 2017 13: 24
          Do not talk nonsense: after the Americans found out that the combined reliability of the shuttle systems could not be ensured by the level of development of American technology in the industry - nothing prevented them from returning to the can of the Apollon command module with outputting it to any available medium (Saturn 5 for orbit does not needed) instead of using "expensive" Russian ships. For no "superfood technology" could be "lost" there (due to the lack of such in principle). Name at least one - "lost." There is nothing in this "canned" that cannot be bungled in the garage.
          There is a "detailed description" and "controlled descent" at the second speed (and from orbit - only the first one), and thermal protection, and internal systems. There is nothing to "get lost."
      2. +9
        13 February 2017 11: 34
        Why not?! Our "Protons" also forgot how to fly well. Yes, and we no longer have a "WORLD" ...
        And why? Somewhere technology is outdated, somewhere need is gone, etc.
        My personal opinion is that they were all the same. Here are the frames, rather fake, because they flew much later, but it was necessary to show at that time (ambition). Well, the author would like to wish less ambition. Something in his underpants can hang out, and our astronauts deserve respect! And he is so humiliating about them. I think that the author himself would not have had the courage, desire and health to fly to the ISS, but tryndit is so beautiful ...
        Good day!
        1. +3
          13 February 2017 23: 10
          Quote: Sashka
          Our "Protons" also forgot how to fly well.

          As in the proverb “the pig will find dirt everywhere,” since the protons still fly, you had to insert the word “good”.
          Quote: Sashka
          Yes, and we no longer have a "WORLD" ...

          However, there is alpha, technology has not been lost.
      3. +10
        13 February 2017 14: 15
        Another not unimportant nuance.
        Americans buy engines for their rockets in Russia!
        What happened to their engines?
        And what happened to their engines created for the Apollos? Let's say they lost the technology!
        Then what is wrong with the engines for the shuttles and their launch vehicles for the output of these shuttles?
        1. +3
          13 February 2017 14: 22
          Quote: mr.fafes
          Then what is wrong with the engines for the shuttles and their launch vehicles for the output of these shuttles?

          So ... that ... they explode ... You don’t remember the children's joke? About Challenger ... belay
        2. +1
          13 February 2017 19: 22
          Quote: mr.fafes
          Americans buy engines for their rockets in Russia!
          What happened to their engines?

          And read for the general development of what it is produced there by Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Aerojet Rocketdine. Or is it an overwhelming task for you to independently search for information? Maybe they banned Google?
          1. 0
            14 February 2017 19: 10
            You are a stupid person! You are familiar with the concept of sarcasm!
            Turn on the brain itself. You may look smarter!
            1. +1
              14 February 2017 23: 50
              Quote: mr.fafes
              You are a stupid person! You are familiar with the concept of sarcasm!
              Turn on the brain itself. You may look smarter!

              Well, yes, yes ... Apparently, the main sign of sarcasm for you is the presence of an exclamation mark at the end of the sentence. And the transition to "you" seems to be the main argument in the discussion. Keep pushing with your intellect ...
              1. 0
                15 February 2017 17: 53
                Local troll or something. Come out!
        3. 0
          13 February 2017 22: 06
          The patent for rd 180 belongs to the United States so they buy from themselves) they collected and developed from us then it was more profitable)
          1. +1
            14 February 2017 13: 57
            More? with links to documents?
            Very interesting!
            And yet, "bought from yourself ... means that" Kuznetsov and Co. "also belong to ..."
            Do not scare me, so is not far from a heart attack.
        4. 0
          15 February 2017 12: 32
          Russian engines are better and cheaper. With them, you can stupidly get a lot of mass on the same rocket.
      4. +2
        13 February 2017 20: 19
        As for the soil, then our robots brought soil from the Moon. But, in general, I recommend to those who believe in fairy tales re-read "Oh this brave new world" by Aldous Huxley.
    2. +5
      13 February 2017 06: 38
      Our president officially announced this. To derogate the statements of the President of Russia is, of course, yes! Cool!
      1. +18
        13 February 2017 07: 12
        Quote: kalibr
        Our president officially announced this. To derogate the statements of the President of Russia is, of course, yes! Cool!

        So what? you were not deceived by the authorities? happy for you...
        1. +6
          13 February 2017 08: 04
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          So what? you were not deceived by the authorities? happy for you...

          Yes, Shpakovsky himself whom you want to deceive. request
          1. +1
            13 February 2017 18: 08
            And you are here even more stupid than on a branch about Japanese superstition. Alas!
      2. +11
        13 February 2017 09: 48
        Well, yes, the guarantor is for you a saint with a halo around his head. Although horns sometimes have nowhere to put.
      3. +19
        13 February 2017 09: 57
        Quote: kalibr
        Our president officially announced this. To derogate the statements of the President of Russia is, of course, yes! Cool!

        He promised to prevent bloodshed in the Donbass!
        1. +8
          13 February 2017 15: 56
          As well as 25 million jobs by 2018.
    3. +6
      13 February 2017 06: 41
      Quote: Olgovich

      0
      Olgovich Today, 06: 28 New
      to all the arguments of the author

      Do you consider this stream of consciousness (mildly) reasoning?
      1. +23
        13 February 2017 07: 52
        It is interesting that after frank lies, right up to the president, there are those who believe at least something that the US representatives broadcast. The scale of the lies is different and until the Americans prove their stay on the moon, no one is obliged to believe the written liars. Moreover, there are so many inconsistencies with * evidence *, up to the inconsistency of the photograph * of the trace * on the moon and the sole of the REAL spacesuit in the museum.
        1. +4
          13 February 2017 11: 23
          pugs are yapping - the elephant is coming. Already to Mars.
          1. +5
            13 February 2017 13: 06
            Quote: EternalStranger
            pugs are yapping - the elephant is coming. Already to Mars.

            What? Where is he going there? Our Phobos aliens shot down, and Musk with DiCaprio wants to conquer Mars? Well, well, a mattress to help them.
            1. +1
              13 February 2017 19: 27
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Well, well, a mattress to help them.

              I'm afraid now Proton missiles need help. I don’t know whether trampolines are capable of replacing them or not.
          2. +1
            13 February 2017 13: 46
            Patstalom)))))) Oh and Mars))) Yeah))
            1. +1
              13 February 2017 19: 29
              three rovers and MRO over the past 10 years do not hint at anything? The Americans have already settled Mars with robots. A lot of mind is not necessary to understand what will be the next step.
              1. 0
                31 March 2018 19: 30
                As if the Soviet lunar rover was also on the moon. Cosmonauts - did not grow together. A lot of intelligence is not necessary to understand what the next step will be (the explosion of an American rocket and the abandonment of flight - if we are to draw a complete analogy?).
          3. +1
            14 February 2017 09: 05
            I’d tell you where your elephant is going and moderators don’t allow it, but in other matters I’ll say it goes on foot erotic journey! wassat
            1. 0
              14 February 2017 10: 41
              Is it really so painful?
    4. +22
      13 February 2017 07: 57
      Some Americans wanted to "get rich" when they gave investigative evidence in the Kennedy assassination. Many of them did not live long afterwards ...
      1. +9
        13 February 2017 08: 47
        Many of them did not live long after ...

        These were those whose testimony did not match the official version.
    5. +30
      13 February 2017 08: 35
      they didn’t have a life support system, from the word “absolutely”, I know firsthand, my mother worked all her life in the life support department, only ours, real, you will fly at least to where, if there is no food, vlada, and a toilet, will you giggle idioticly seeing a poop flying by? now they have this system, guess where they got it?
      1. 0
        13 February 2017 19: 31
        what a violent fantasy you have. And who and where did your mother work?
        1. +7
          13 February 2017 19: 53
          NPO "energy" corresponding department. what is the fantasy?
          1. +2
            14 February 2017 10: 42
            And since when did NPO Energia begin to fulfill the functions of foreign intelligence, and your mother began to issue such information to anyone?
            1. +7
              14 February 2017 10: 48
              firstly, I’m not a “hit or miss” for her, and secondly, there were contacts even in Soviet times (when they realized that it was easier to buy) and not a secret even once, well, after the 90s and in general .... not look for difficulties where they are not, live easier! wink
            2. 0
              31 March 2018 19: 48
              So after all, NASA's description of Apollo is publicly available. What does "intelligence" have to do with it? And where is the air purification from CO, methane and aldehydes? Where are the fire safety systems? The suits are from a company about the production of bras, which had never before had anything in common with either air or space. Entering the atmosphere on the second space in an aluminum can with pure oxygen inside is generally enchanting and never and never before (never tried to heat silver with potassium permanganate? Experiment) Magicians in one word! By the way - the "thermal protection technology" is naturally "lost" (official report of the US Audit Chamber)! Naturally - it’s a “useless thing”!
    6. +19
      13 February 2017 09: 06
      Stupidity. Thousands do not need to know about falsification. A few dozen are enough. And as examples of the safety of information from special services show. ensure this is a very real task. And people who stated the opposite or liked to publish incriminating materials perished, and it happened with the whole family. Very know disciplines.
    7. +30
      13 February 2017 09: 46
      Answer one question. How does it happen that after a week in space, at that time, our cosmonauts pulled our ships out of the ships (well, there were no suits or special simulators), and now too. And the “lunar astronauts" after a week with more than one jump from the ship, as the puppies on the Maidan jumped off. This alone puts the letter X on their entire "moon project".
      1. +11
        13 February 2017 19: 10
        Quote: Tambov Wolf
        How is it that our after a week in space in those days on the hands of our astronauts pulled out of the ships (well, there were no suits, no special simulators), and now too. And the "lunar astronauts" after more than a week with jumps from the ship, as the puppies of the war on the Maidan jumped off. One that puts the letter X on their entire "moon project

        After the first astronaut landings, after already long (more than 3 days) flights, we realized that it was not comme il faut for the country's prestige when they would write in all newspapers that the condition of the astronauts was grave. Therefore, they wrote that the condition is good and everyone is healthy. And the fact that from the SA to the stretcher immediately almost with attacks - to the newspapers no, no. That’s why they jumped and with radiant smiles immediately after the type-reduction from weekly flights they gave out interviews, because they didn’t know the truth! Already on this it was easy to catch fellow But alas, the elite was led to economic benefits and simply played along. Today we have a beautiful fairy tale about the flights of Americans to the moon request
        PS And when the truth became clear after the collapse, the "astronauts" retroactively began to weave about how much they took hard steps on the Earth and reduced their muscles from the fact that they smiled for a long time at the camera

        So it was in fact after 6 days of flight

        And so it was after the type of 8-day flight with the Americans
        request Draw conclusions hi
    8. +23
      13 February 2017 09: 48
      Quote: Olgovich
      For 50 years, it would certainly have "leaked" from the make-up artist, stuntman, etc. This did not happen.

      So it leaked! Americans were the first to argue that this was not! The situation is such that there are serious doubts that the Americans really were on the moon, there are even falsifications! But there is no evidence of the flights themselves. For some reason, the USA cannot provide them. (All is lost)
      1. +3
        14 February 2017 07: 41
        There are video and photo flights, specialists in photo and video shooting do not doubt their reliability. They brought the lunar soil. The flight was tracked by the MCC of the USSR. All this information is in open official sources. But for you this is not evidence. But the assertion that this could not be, because because - a proof. laughing
    9. AUL
      +9
      13 February 2017 10: 22
      But how much can you cut sawdust ?!
      The author positions himself as a person "from technology." But in the whole article no technical calculations are given, only patriotic emotions. "This cannot be, because it can never be," the argument is unconvincing.
      1. +11
        13 February 2017 10: 44
        But in the whole article no technical calculations are given, only patriotic emotions.


        Stupidly, we take the development of space technology in the USSR
        At the beginning of the 60's of the USSR ahead of the USA
        At the end of the 60's, the USSR was categorically unable to land a man on the moon.
        Impossible. And even at the beginning of the 70's ...
        But the United States did everything ...
        There should have been a technical, technological breakthrough, the results of which they would have used to this day ...
        No results.

        According to calculations: links are given specially at the bottom of the article. "Technical calculations" in the framework of the article
        (and even a series of articles) do not fit much.
        And those same “calculations” have been made for quite some time. And quite professionally.
        1. +4
          13 February 2017 19: 31
          Quote: Olezhek
          At the end of the 60's, the USSR was categorically unable to land a man on the moon.
          Impossible. And even at the beginning of the 70's ...

          Almost everything was ready. Type in the search: "Lunar program of the USSR." Read out.
    10. +3
      13 February 2017 13: 12
      Quote: Olgovich
      For 50 years, it would certainly have "leaked" from the make-up artist, stuntman, etc. This did not happen, although this person would have got rich.


      They are not us!

      Very disciplined and very, very shy!

      More questions to ours - how were we fixed at the time of rocket launches, their movement in space and return?

      And the article, in its own way, gives away novelty - how did timid mattresses agree to such a deadly trick in bundles ?!

      After all, the percentage of return to Earth was practically near 0!
    11. +21
      13 February 2017 13: 15
      !
      Quote: Olgovich
      Thousands of people, including astronauts, were supposed to participate in the “falsifications”.

      Conversations with representatives of the science fiction club from the American Witnesses section on the Moon most closely resemble this dialogue:
      - Santa Claus does not exist.
      - Yes? Well then, explain where in the morning gifts come from under the tree?
      - Parents put.
      - So you say that millions of people conspired and deceive their children, talking about Santa Claus and placing gifts under the Christmas tree? Yes, it's pure conspiracy laughing
      1. +2
        13 February 2017 15: 05
        good Bravo, toucher
      2. +2
        13 February 2017 20: 58
        Comparison is not only unsuccessful in meaning and on the topic has nothing to do with space. Since the genre of literature, children's tales for children from kindergarten.
        1. +3
          13 February 2017 23: 23
          Quote: renics
          Comparison is not only unsuccessful in meaning and on topic

          The comparison is very successful, it shows that:
          firstly - conspiracy thesis takes place,
          secondly, it is common for millions to be mistaken,
          thirdly, the truth is not revealed by voting.
          1. +1
            14 February 2017 20: 46
            Evidence that the Americans were on the moon - there is also reinforced concrete.
            1. 0
              14 February 2017 20: 52
              Quote: Vadim237
              Evidence that the Americans were on the moon - there is also reinforced concrete.

              Wow god you are mine, which we are categorical. Reinforced concrete can only be a wall in your path.
            2. +4
              15 February 2017 21: 51
              I know why Americans no longer fly to the moon, here are the proofs:
    12. +5
      13 February 2017 14: 52
      The dry mass of the take-off stage is 2.2 tons, the fuel of the main engine of the take-off stage is 2.4 tons. + 0,3 t fuel for orientation engines + 2 astronauts.
      Total more than 5t. To accelerate to a speed of 6000 km / h (1st space for the moon) 2,4 tons of fuel? I do not believe!
      1. +3
        13 February 2017 19: 32
        and didn’t try to teach physics? Faith does not help in such matters.
        1. +6
          13 February 2017 19: 42
          Quote: EternalStranger
          and they didn’t try to teach physics

          Have been. We physics teacher (stump - drove), said that this is impossible. Well, I mean, flying to the moon. laughing
          1. +2
            14 February 2017 10: 44
            well, this is an authoritative statement, yes. Fizteh smokes unevenly aside.
    13. +7
      13 February 2017 15: 06
      Quote: Olgovich
      For 50 years, it would certainly have "leaked" from the make-up artist, stuntman, etc. This did not happen, although this person would have got rich.

      it flowed, even as it flowed, but if the production of this show was done at the state level (and it was) that put everything at stake - the prestige of the state, respect for the international community and the self-esteem of its own citizens .... I’m not at all surprised if the only one expert "of that time in the person of the USSR was corny bribed (recently there was a publication at VO with fabrications on this subject). But the lack of space-toilet with oxygen the atmosphere of the module completely eliminates long flights and does not turn long into Russian roulette with a full drum.
    14. +8
      13 February 2017 20: 51
      You must then think and evaluate in all directions, and not just in such a narrow field of view and range. Severe censorship who knew the details, and only a few knew the detailed details and not necessarily all the participants. Then they took a non-disclosure subscription from all of those involved in this program, as they (the US) are doing now and referring to a threat to national security. Then all these creators received huge fees for those times, if you look at those allocated funds. Then the pension and medical care system there is directly dependent on the solvency of the population. Well, believe me, there are plenty of other means of influence on people in power. However, even with such severe pressure from the state, various kinds of information leaks have occurred and are occurring, and a lot of articles can be found about this in different languages. True, for real reliability, there is no documentary evidence of this falsification anywhere and this is understandable, since all materials and documents relating to this issue were initially under the heading of secrecy. But the main factor that remains relevant and to this day confirms this falsification is that after the closure of this program, there has never been any publication and discussion of these lunar flights in world academic journals. And this is mandatory for the world scientific community if these flights are scientific, and not just some kind of scam. Therefore, if someone here wants to object to me, then let him point to these similar publications and discussions. So far, no one has given anyone such links when answering this question.
    15. +4
      13 February 2017 22: 49
      Quote: Olgovich
      For 50 years, it would certainly have "leaked" from the make-up artist, stuntman, etc. This did not happen, although this person would have got rich.

      So it leaked, flooded to the ears, just believers have such a property - not to notice the facts contrary to his faith.
      Quote: Olgovich
      I think that the Americans were on the moon.

      These are your thoughts not supported by anything.
    16. +2
      13 February 2017 23: 39
      Quote: Olgovich
      Thousands of people, including astronauts, were supposed to participate in the “falsifications”. For 50 years, it would certainly have "leaked" -


      What would "leak" ???
      Americans .. insolent ..with utter cynicism, their twin towers blew up, and nothing leaked!
      Everything! And Putin. And Jian-Jimin .. everyone says that the Barmalei did it.
      Quote: Olgovich
      although this person would get rich.


      Would get rich ?? Yes, from what is it rare?
      Hundreds of people were killed .. And you - "I would get rich" .. Funny. Who would let him? Only those who are allowed to get rich can. angry
      1. 0
        18 February 2017 19: 31
        One would like to ask: who exactly permits? winked
    17. +4
      14 February 2017 11: 45
      Those. are we on the contrary? Since "not leaked", then it means they were?
      Well then, I definitely tell you - Hitler and the entire top of the Third Reich evacuated to the Moon from Antarctica and now live and live on the reverse side. There are traces (skerries and settlements in Antarctica, submarines at the bottom near Argentina, the American expedition to Antarctica defeated by plates in the 50s ...) and it didn’t leak! Many people talk about this and put on films ... Everything is like about the American Moon movie. So - look for Bormann in the Sea of ​​Tranquility. It was after meeting with him that the mattresses stopped the Lunar program. This is 100% proof!
      1. +1
        14 February 2017 21: 37
        Well, why are you fooling around?
        -----------------------
        A thorough technical examination (analysis) and the characteristics of the Saturn-5 rocket are enough for us.
        The conclusion is clear and rigorous. Rocket Saturn-5 not suitable for such an expedition..
        Absolutely no good. Not suitable for its carrying capacity.
        --------------
        If you are from the Witnesses of the Moon landing sect .. Americans (of course) .. in the 1969 year. Then - my condolences to you.
    18. 0
      26 August 2017 15: 11
      Talkers usually end poorly. And the scam was so grand that all the participants understood and understand it - open everything, and the collapse of the States is inevitable.
  3. +9
    13 February 2017 06: 39
    Mdya, your name olezhek becomes a household name, even among the so-called journalism VO what
    1. +30
      13 February 2017 07: 50
      Quote: Vitwin
      Mdya, your name olezhek becomes a household name, even among the so-called journalism VO what

      You shouldn’t be rude and insult too, write a refutation or refute in the comments and poke your finger at the wall better, they don’t poke you. am
      1. +5
        13 February 2017 08: 57
        Unclear story with these Apollo. And by the way, the conversations of our astronauts - like they were there - are never an argument. Having staff resources and not having the means of objective control with us, it is easy to organize large-scale falsification.
      2. +6
        13 February 2017 11: 13
        Quote: vovanpain
        and poke your finger at the wall better

        No, on the wall they do not agree to hurt them there!
        The only way:
  4. +2
    13 February 2017 06: 42
    Oh, there’s the Moon ... From NASA, a photo from Mars ..., - for any exceptional democrat rushing to the bar ...
    1. +4
      13 February 2017 08: 48
      Oh, there’s the Moon ... From NASA, a photo from Mars ..., - according to anyone, an exceptional democrat rushes to the bar ..
      Digitized photo of a homeless man in a landfill? what
  5. +8
    13 February 2017 06: 50
    Very willing to ask Comrade on this topic. Michman. Yuri Grigoryevich! After all, you, as a member of the State Commission for Buran’s flights and as the chief designer for antennas, already know this question from the 66 year onward. Fly or not? And if you can’t say, then say so. laughing
    1. 0
      13 February 2017 19: 29
      Drop in PM, we can see there fellow
  6. +18
    13 February 2017 06: 54
    Article horror is simple. Author, do you even understand what you wrote ?! Do you know what logic is?
    How to understand this, if in the USSR it was not possible to fly to the moon, then the Americans did not succeed.
    Attach some kind of loss to NASA’s archive about the flight to the moon.

    In order to refute the flight of Americans to the moon, we must prove the following:
    1. The USSR followed the flight, why didn’t they refute the fact of landing on the moon?
    2. There are documentary photos and videos taken on the moon, brought the lunar soil and sent to many countries. Where are the rebuttals? About forged photos and videos in the "Hollywood" do not drag, here is an article about fraud: http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moonhoax.htm
    3. Corner reflector.
    4. Not a single rebuttal from the program participants themselves, a thousand of them + Soviet workers related to space.

    Total do not write nonsense. Everything is already chewed up to you. And the yellow press is yellow. We cannot forbid them to write until ...
    1. +8
      13 February 2017 07: 03
      Soviet workers related to space.


      Are they here sideways?
    2. +4
      13 February 2017 08: 08
      Quote: yarobot
      brought lunar soil and sent to many countries. .

      What to compare the "lunar soil"?
      ... except with meteorite dust ... which is also in the orbit of the Earth, and even - oh, horror! - on Earth itself, though with difficulty, but - it’s quite possible to dial!
      1. +11
        13 February 2017 09: 03
        But the USSR didn’t bring soil with an automatic station?
        http://galspace.spb.ru/index90.file/luna24.html

        And with this we must compare.

        Well, if you don’t believe in it, then I don’t believe in Gagarin’s flight !!! ))))
        1. +1
          13 February 2017 20: 27
          So, after all, the USSR brought soil, in the same way the USA brought it and sent it out to everyone.
          1. +5
            13 February 2017 20: 35
            Quote: nika407
            So, after all, the USSR brought soil, in the same way the USA brought it and sent it out to everyone.

            Oops! So why was the soil of the USSR so dramatically different from the soil of the United States? It’s not me who said it, French chemists said it ... In their laboratories ...
    3. +8
      13 February 2017 10: 16
      Quote: yarobot
      In order to refute the flight of Americans to the moon, we must prove the following:

      1. The USSR recorded the fact of the landing ??
      2. There are fake (proven!) Photos and videos. Why, in the presence of real ones, do fake? And we have the soil. But, we flew to the moon! What does this prove? Regarding the authenticity of American soil, there was also just a shaft of information!
      3. I haven’t even heard!
      4. Lack of rebuttal can be evidence?
      Quote: yarobot
      Total do not write nonsense. Everything is already chewed up to you. And the yellow press is yellow. We cannot forbid them to write until ...
    4. +7
      13 February 2017 10: 24
      Quote: yarobot
      Total do not write nonsense. Everything is already chewed up to you. And the yellow press is yellow. We cannot forbid them to write until ...
      good hi
      More author pearl:
      And few of those “heroes” survived to the present day.

      In addition, 24 people flew to the moon (the author writes that 27 but in the public domain 24). To date, 16 are alive. But the youngest of them is H. Schmitt, born in 1935, and he will already be 82 in the middle of the year. A very respectable age!
      The first of these astronauts on December 27.12.1982, 51, died of leukemia at the age of 16.01.2017. Jack Suigert died, the remaining six later: Eugene Cernan - 83/2012/82 at the age of 2016, Neil Armstrong in 86 at the age of XNUMX, and E. Mitchell in XNUMX at the age of XNUMX years old.
      The causes of death are different - leukemia in two, pancreatic inflammation, heart attack, motorcycle accident, etc. Take at random 24 people of the 20s - 30s who live in the late 60s. How many of them will be alive today?
      There is no impression that they were destroyed. And 16 alive, and at a very respectable age.
    5. +2
      13 February 2017 15: 21
      Quote: yarobot
      1. The USSR followed the flight, why didn’t they refute the fact of landing on the moon?

      Great question. Do not assume that someone agreed with someone about this
      Quote: yarobot
      There are documentary photos and videos made on the moon, brought the lunar soil and sent it to many countries.

      Soviet scientists were able to get the soil and photos without sending a person to the moon; for this it is easier and safer to send machine guns there. Who prevented the Americans from doing the same?
      Quote: yarobot
      3. Corner reflector.
      Well, if the machine was able to extract soil from the moon, why not leave a corner reflector there? Or is it so weighty that without a human presence on the spot it won’t start working?
      Quote: yarobot
      4. Not a single rebuttal from the program participants themselves, a thousand of them + Soviet workers related to space.

      Well, this is just a matter of secrecy and personal interest. And it’s financially interested in the right person to keep silent significantly, given the budget spent on a scam ... these are Americans, they will be happy to take any position for money
    6. +1
      13 February 2017 15: 25
      The USSR followed the flight, why didn’t they refute the fact of landing on the moon?


      And if there was a conspiracy ah? six successful flights, why don’t they fly now? I think there could be a lot of interesting things to discover, and even the base would not hurt in short some questions.
    7. +1
      13 February 2017 23: 38
      Quote: yarobot
      How to understand this, if in the USSR it was not possible to fly to the moon, then the Americans did not succeed.

      This means that after falsifying flights to the Moon using the newly discovered knowledge of interplanetary space, it became clear that the funds provided by the Americans were not enough to fly to the Moon, they are not there now = they were not there before.
      Quote: yarobot
      About forged photos and videos in the "Hollywood" do not drag, here is an article about fraud

      This is normal practice - documentaries are shot in pavilions, and a film about a flight to the moon was no exception, such a film does not prove a flight to the moon, but it does not refute ..
      Quote: yarobot
      We cannot forbid them to write until ...

      Maybe you should forbid us to think. For many, the denial of Americans flying to the moon is a blow to the Dream and we are reluctant to agree to this, under the pressure of facts.
    8. 0
      14 February 2017 12: 59
      1. There is an opinion that the USSR received silence, well, VERY big preferences.
      2. Documentary photos ... question, of course, interesting! About the soil, it has been said many times - in addition to real, Soviet relit, there were no grams for research for specialists. Some Dutchmen tried to analyze supposedly American relit, but found fossil wood in the form of powder there.
      3. How does the silent corner reflector prove the presence of man on the moon?
      4. Generally without comment. Why do passengers of bus number 10 in the village of Gadyukino not confirm that the bottom of the Mariana Trench is made of gold, for example?
  7. +14
    13 February 2017 06: 54
    A lot of standard beeches, and a brief summary:

    There is no America, and there is no Europe. There is nothing. In general, the last city on earth is Shepetovka, on which the waves of the Atlantic Ocean break.
    laughing laughing

    Tired of repeating that there is no progress in rocketry; a modern moon flight is more expensive than an Apollo flight; the ame-rasts were lazy and sick with cowardice - therefore they do not fly. Bourgeois, but the USSR, as a permanent global antagonist, is not. Bourgeois will never give anyone a dime, the bourgeois will take the candy from the baby, the bourgeois will sell his mother to a brothel - what kind of moon can there be?
  8. +14
    13 February 2017 06: 57
    Once upon a time there was a king. The king had a court. In the yard was a count. It’s wet on Coke, and not to start, do we need a fairy tale first?
    During the race for the moon, the USSR lost and the Union did not even think of calling the success of the Americans falsified. Soviet people were very serious people; they moved science, worked on the most difficult technical solutions. There was no time and no reason to do this.
    And now, when we had a Soviet-made “space cab” from space breakthroughs, which even they cannot be launched humanly (Rogozin sees this as a small salary of manufacturers). Now, fake voices are heard louder (and not only by problems of flights to the moon), what are we (!!!!fellow !!!) and that race, it turns out that they won with their Lunokhod (which in fact is our scientific feat!), and so on. All the more fiercely these pseudoscientific thoughts are being introduced into the public consciousness, well, stay with these thoughts yourself. this topic has ceased to be interesting. I won’t read such articles any more. People don’t even realize that blaming the Americans for fraud, they thereby belittle the achievements of our Soviet science, as it’s not paradoxical! Success in propagating fakes, gentlemen (because it’s definitely not the comrades came up with ... hello to the talented strategists from the CIA). Everything, the topic is closed. Hurray!
    1. +10
      13 February 2017 06: 59
      During the race for the moon, the USSR lost


      Sorry for the personal question, do you have a technical education?
      1. +2
        13 February 2017 07: 02
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        This topic has ceased to be interesting to me.
        1. +3
          13 February 2017 18: 19
          Incidentally, Stormbreaker is absolutely right! As a JI specialist, I would do just that to increase my sense of self-worth among the poor. So it was already ... "But with regard to ballet ...."
      2. +4
        13 February 2017 07: 58
        Quote: Olezhek
        During the race for the moon, the USSR lost


        Sorry for the personal question, do you have a technical education?

        ... this is what I call a good question!
        1. +6
          13 February 2017 09: 23
          And this tells me a person who has no idea that our stations mined lunar soil? To school!
          1. +1
            13 February 2017 23: 57
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            And it tells me a man who has no idea

            In short, are you a humanist?
        2. +2
          13 February 2017 13: 18
          Quote: CONTROL
          Quote: Olezhek
          During the race for the moon, the USSR lost


          Sorry for the personal question, do you have a technical education?

          ... this is what I call a good question!

          ... and I call it "a blow below the waist"! laughing
      3. +8
        13 February 2017 10: 42
        Quote: Olezhek
        During the race for the moon, the USSR lost


        Sorry for the personal question, do you have a technical education?

        And what - to judge whether the USSR won the moon race or not, can only people with higher technical education? what
        I have it, and the opinion is exactly the same. Yes
        Do you think that the USSR won this race? wink
        1. +1
          13 February 2017 19: 49
          Quote: andj61
          I have it, and the opinion is exactly the same.

          Perhaps you wanted to say that having the appropriate education, you can distinguish scientific achievements and facts from the exuberant fantasies of journalists and other near-scientific fraternities. So, probably, it will be more accurate ...
    2. +5
      13 February 2017 10: 27
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      the Union did not even think of calling the success of Americans a falsification. Soviet people were very serious people; they moved science, worked on the most difficult technical solutions. He had no time and no reason to do this.

      Twenty five again! You already wrote this, and I answered you! Well, why should our scientists and astronauts prove that the Americans were or were not on the moon? What is there nothing more to do? Let the Americans do it! And serious people have plenty to do, you yourself wrote about it:
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Soviet people were very serious people; they moved science, worked on the most difficult technical solutions. He had no time and no reason to do this.
    3. BAI
      +9
      13 February 2017 11: 09
      Well, that’s the answer. Lunokhod stands on the moon, everyone can see it. Where are the traces of the Americans? They remain in airless space for millions of years. And the remnants of technology - will they clean everything up, along with crap, with them from the Moon back to Earth?
      1. kig
        +3
        13 February 2017 15: 01
        If someone is so intensely interested in this issue, you should know that there are pictures of Apollo landing sites taken by the LRO probe since 2011. You can find them yourself. Although this is, of course, photoshop.
      2. +8
        13 February 2017 15: 35
        What can we talk about with an illiterate and persistent person who did not even bother to understand the topic. A satellite has been flying in the orbit of the Moon for a long time and is shooting the Moon in good resolution and is full of images that show both equipment and traces from rover trips.
        https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia
        /lroimages/LROMoonImages_archive_1.html
        Of course - we can say that this is all the same forged .... Then what is the talk about? About the fierce hatred of the United States? Then you need to see a psychiatrist.
        1. 0
          26 August 2017 15: 20
          Here is your link: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia
          /lroimages/LROMoonImages_archive_1.html
      3. +2
        13 February 2017 19: 54
        Quote: BAI
        Where are the traces of the Americans? They remain in airless space for millions of years.


        LRV-1 is a lunar car.
    4. +9
      13 February 2017 19: 39
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      they moved science, worked on the most difficult technical solutions

  9. +20
    13 February 2017 06: 58
    The author does not fight with history, and not with America, but with his own phantoms. And even from these phantoms, too, porridge. An author with a "technical education" does not understand how this is possible. Well, what can I say ... sadly.
    Leave the Americans alone with their moon. They were there. Do not, on the denial of others' successes, try to exalt yourself. It smacks of modern Ukraine. The USA is truly a great country and an exceptional nation. It's silly to argue with that. Only one remark is not the only one. There are other great ones.
    After all, they do not dispute the fact that Gagarin was also the first. They didn’t take the pain to prove that the USSR did not launch the first man into space. They took and did something else, also interesting for science and humanity. Maybe we should do that? Instead of proving that they did not fly to the moon, take and make a breakthrough in any scientific field?
    1. +19
      13 February 2017 07: 02
      Leave the Americans alone with their moon. They were there.


      Any, I repeat, any complex technical device has a continuous line of evolutionary development. Before the moon and after the moon, the Americans have nothing particularly supercreasing. Roughly speaking, the Moon is a point that lies outside the curve of the development of American rocket technology ..
      1. +16
        13 February 2017 07: 26
        Quote: Olezhek
        Before the moon and after the moon, the Americans have nothing particularly supercreasing.

        Do we have one? And if without the prefix "super"? The moon for Americans is a project of prestige, a project of self-affirmation, and by and large - money down the drain. This flight is ahead of the era, today it is not in demand. And there are many examples of non-evolutionary development of complex technical products. In the next branch is an article about the Tu-144. What descendants in passenger aviation did the Tu-144 give? None. So he wasn’t?
        Quote: Olezhek
        Roughly speaking, the Moon is a point that lies outside the curve of the development of American rocket technology ..

        This never proves that they did not fly. Chkalov also flew over the north pole, and then silence. And no one flies. Do not need anyone. Or is this “point” outside the aviation development curve also a fake?
        1. +7
          13 February 2017 07: 42
          And there are many examples of non-evolutionary development of complex technical products. In the next branch is an article about the Tu-144. What descendants in passenger aviation did the Tu-144 give? None. So he wasn’t?


          Tu-144 did not arise from scratch. And not "all of a sudden." Further this line for various reasons did not begin to move.

          But if after Tu-144 in the USSR suddenly there was a passenger supersonic that never looked like him ... that would really raise questions.


          Chkalov also flew over the north pole, and then silence. And no one flies.


          That is, after Chkalov, long-distance and super-long-distance flights completely stopped?
          1. +11
            13 February 2017 09: 13
            Further development of the 144 can be considered all supersonic bombers, the line is not broken
            1. +1
              13 February 2017 09: 54
              Further development of the 144 can be considered all supersonic bombers, the line is not broken


              Maybe you are right. I meant precisely the civilian aircraft industry.
              All the same, the design of the missile carrier and the passenger carrier are very different.
              But not an expert, I will not argue.
              1. aba
                +2
                13 February 2017 21: 53
                I meant precisely the civilian aircraft industry.
                But in fact there is no civil aircraft industry in Russia, and why I think there is no need to explain. Capitalism, and along with it lobbyism, but simply betrayal.
            2. +5
              13 February 2017 14: 12
              novel66 Further development of the Tu144 can be considered all supersonic bombers, the line is not broken. Directly removed from the tongue! ))) Look at the handsome Tu-160 !!! I think that some technologies from the Tu-144 came in handy there too ... wink
          2. +1
            14 February 2017 07: 06
            Quote: Olezhek
            Tu-144 did not arise from scratch. And not "all of a sudden."

            Duck and the American lunar program are not from scratch. Or have they never taken anything into space before?
            Quote: Olezhek
            That is, after Chkalov, long-distance and super-long-distance flights completely stopped?

            Through the North Pole - stopped. Levanevsky still tried, but the result is known. And then - everything stopped.
            Quote: novel xnumx
            Further development of the 144 can be considered all supersonic bombers, the line is not broken

            Bombers, yes, some Tu-144 technologies were used. And in the civilian aircraft industry? Not. And then, the Americans from the lunar program also used many technologies individually later on.
      2. +5
        13 February 2017 10: 21
        It seems to me that a moratorium should be imposed on all these head-bangs on the wall on both sides. The Chinese are going to fly to the moon, I think they are also interested in whether the Americans were on the moon, ask them to check for the presence of a striped flag (maybe faded), again to check for surface erosion with traces of landing, or to remove the relatives places. It will be constructive. And then they started a game of name-calling, "myself." And the question posed, of course, is extremely interesting, but, alas, is still insoluble.
        1. 0
          13 February 2017 15: 40
          It seems to me that a moratorium should be imposed on all these head-bangs on the wall on both sides. The Chinese are going to fly to the moon

          Yes, with the Chinas it will be more difficult to agree.
          1. 0
            14 February 2017 13: 12
            I think it will take a long time to wait - the Chinese do not have Hollywood, and even lying around for the sake of prestige alone is not in the mentality of our tangerine friends. It’s easier to stir up another Lunokhod. In places of military glory. Ours will not start - apparently bound by certain obligations. Helping the Chinese is a matter of technology transfer. But whether the Chinese themselves can do it is a very big question.
            So for now, wait, sir!
        2. 0
          13 February 2017 20: 03
          Quote: St. Propulsion
          I think they are also interested in whether the Americans were on the moon

          Do you think space flights are planned based on the interests of Internet users?
      3. +8
        13 February 2017 11: 05
        Quote: Olezhek
        Before the moon and after the moon, the Americans have nothing particularly supercreasing. Roughly speaking, the Moon is a point that lies outside the curve of the development of American rocket technology ..

        But reusable spaceships - is it really outside the development curve? and sending spacecraft to other planets, and even in the direction of "beyond the limits of the solar system"?
        By the way, they were sent using variants of the same “lunar” Saturn-5 rockets.
        We have fewer high-profile successes in this regard, but there are results. In the 60s, EVERY flight into space was an outrageous heroism. I watched Leonov’s interview about spacewalk - hair (leftovers - bully ) stand on end!
        The spacesuit in space was swollen with internal pressure, and he simply could not squeeze into the airlock. He was advised to release the pressure of the air mixture and try to go in again. Bleed - and he has 3-4 minutes to go through the gateway. no time - suffocate.
        Ours flew on absolutely "raw" products. Americans too, but still not so much. It is simply amazing that there were still not very many victims.
        And now our team has achieved ensuring a sufficiently comfortable orbital functioning of the crew. Compared to the 60s, this, of course, is not a breakthrough. But now we live in a different society, now the main thing is consumption, and then in the first place was the country's prestige at any cost.
        Mankind today does not really need space.
        1. +5
          13 February 2017 20: 56
          Quote: andj61
          Ours flew on absolutely "raw" products. Americans too, but still not so much. It is simply amazing that there were still not very many victims.

          Killed 4 Soviet astronauts and 14 American.
          Quote: andj61
          Mankind today does not really need space.

          Well, well, they lived without the Internet, mobile phones and other nishtyakov and nothing, but they often went to visit. In principle, it is possible to cover an apartment with a torch, although excise taxes or photon licenses can also be introduced for brushwood collection tax.
        2. +3
          14 February 2017 13: 20
          Oh! but tell me, please, about the continuity of the F1 engines, Saturn5 rocket (estimated thrust at the time of launch of 600 tons) and mid-flight engines in the Shuttle glider (they were called RS-25 and had a thrust of only 181 tons).
          So it turns out to be the same engine ??? !!!!
          Or is this a case of regressive design?
          Strange, why didn't the developers say a word?
          With you, dear, everything is clear!
        3. +1
          14 February 2017 21: 03
          Apollo also left the orbit of the Earth - I think these are the best photos of all about the Moon epic.
          1. +1
            14 February 2017 21: 05
            The second, they’ll probably say that they shot in the pavilion -
            1. +1
              14 February 2017 21: 09
              Here we have such pictures, there is no way out, for some reason
              1. +1
                15 February 2017 07: 27
                Comrad, you kind of got to post pictures
                The article is not about photos (if you read it)
                1. 0
                  15 February 2017 10: 19
                  And photos if that is one of the confirmation that the Americans flew and landed on the moon.
            2. +1
              15 February 2017 09: 02
              Strange, according to the same Leonov, the firmament over any orbital object, both on the day and night sides of the Earth, is simply littered with stars. But the Americans do not have them! No, they already explained to us that they were shooting the super-duper camera that was the coolest at that time and with the fastest shutter speed, for clarity of shots, because the glare of the stars simply did not have time to sneak through the lens on the film. True, there are numerous "testimonies" of Americans - they saw stars only on the initial side of the Earth. And the big-eyed Russians admired them day and night. Not only that, they also filmed Russian “soap dishes” with amazing quality. In the above photos there is fog in the sky ... no stars are visible. Not lucky!
              1. +1
                15 February 2017 20: 40
                Indeed, you are right that everything was filmed in the pavilions, so there are no stars and this is also a photo from the plastic, pavilion ISS “After all, the firmament over any orbital object, both on the daytime and over the night side of the Earth, is simply littered with stars” and they are not here - generally disgrace.
                1. +1
                  16 February 2017 14: 36
                  So I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth, I myself was not there ...
                  But there is reason for doubt.
                  1. +2
                    16 February 2017 14: 41
                    Again, the presence of a completely visible concrete thermal protection on Russian ships and the complete absence thereof on the Apollo, also gives reason to think ... For some reason, both Gemini and Apollo landed simply with steel lining and nothing, so slightly smoked and nothing more. Even the piano loops of Gemini's hatches did not melt. But the East, Sunrises, and the Union, the atmosphere gives out in full. Discrimination, however!
      4. +11
        13 February 2017 11: 55
        Quote: Olezhek
        Any, I repeat, any complex technical device has a continuous line of evolutionary development. Before the moon and after the moon, the Americans have nothing particularly supercreasing.

        Well, you waved it.
        -At the beginning of the 20th century, and more precisely in the 1910 year, the first home refrigerator, which had machine cooling, was invented in the USA. A whole year after the creation of this machine, the discovery was improved and subjected to various modifications. It was then, a year later, in 1911, the successful American company General Electric took the risk of launching the first refrigeration unit called Odifren, which was intended for use both at home and in commerce. This chiller was named after its creator, the French physicist Marcel Odifren, and was distinguished by a rather original design. But this is not all the advantages of the latest unit. The machine, invented by a French physicist, first worked on automation! Odifren developed its design and patented it back in the 1895 year. (Over the course of the year, 64 thousands of refrigeration machines rolled off the assembly line, which gave a benchmark for the rapid growth of production in this area, which, however, slowed down somewhat in the 30's due to the economic crisis.)
        ++ In the USSR, the first home refrigerator was designed in the 1935-1937 years. The pilot batch of refrigeration machines (KhTZ-120) was produced in the 1939 year by the Kharkov Tractor Plant.
        (My grandmother saw my refrigerator for the first time in 1970)
        -In 1797, a washboard was invented. And in the 1851 year in America, James King invented the first washing machine. She had a manual drive, a rotating drum - in general, it resembled a modern one. In the 1874 year in America, William Blackstone invented the first household washing machine. He founded his company and produced such washing machines, selling them for 2.5 $. A little later in 1908, Alva Fisher invented the first electric washing machine.
        ++ Riga RES Plant: The EIA-2 and EIA-3 cars, which appeared in stores in the 1950 year, cost 600 rubles at a cost of 1500 - a real miracle of the socialist economy.
        (my grandmother didn’t use a washing machine, and my mother started using it when I was already 5)
        This is just an example: the production of such equipment for silos implies the presence of a serious technological base and developed industry.
        1. Japanese + Germans drowned in 2МВ the tonnage of American ships LESS than they launched. They baked dishes like hot cakes (this level is still not available to us), the same thing about aviation, I’m talking about cars.
        2. Here you are not indignant that the country has just survived the hardest war in the history of the Earth and has the European part destroyed with 90% (with the main technological base), has lost 20 (30) million of the population, of which 70% are men dawn of strength
        VIA 12 years launched the first satellite, and soon the astronaut.
        Or 29 of August 1949 of the year undermined its first nuclear warhead
        ?
        and after that
        Quote: Olezhek
        THESE POINTS *** lie outside the curve of the development of the SOVIET rocket (AND AT ALL) technology ..
        !
        Right?
        In the 2 MB radar (radar), Germans, British, and the United States were equipped with airplanes, submarines created ground posts ...
        and we have?
        Conclusion (according to your logic): we could not create C-25,75,125,200,300,400
        I remember:
        The USSR, immediately after the war (and at the time thereof) was unable to develop and produce turbojet engines (and in the LRE m / y other TNA, which is more complicated (in terms of load) than the turbojet engine)
        By 1946, the main tests of the NIN-1 engine (Nene) were completed .... In the summer of 1946 (a few months after the Cold War was declared to the Soviet Union), an agreement was signed between the USSR and the British government and the Rolls-Royce company on the supply of new engines with (as our designers assure, but here the story is dark) production license. They have not even managed to put them in the Royal Air Force of Britain, but they have already given up the USSR!
        Since February 1947, the Dervent-V engines (total of 30 units) and Nin-I (20 units) began to flow into the Soviet Union. Due to the fact that the British further developed the engine, in November 1947, the newest Nin-II (5 units) was also sent to the Soviet Union.
        In the USSR, about 40 thousand RD-45 engines and about 20 thousand VK-1 were produced. Both of these engines were just a modified copy of the English NIN.
        The fate of the British NIN engine in the USSR was very prosperous. It was used on the MIG-15 during the Korean War. Then its revised version of VK-1 (subsequently with letters A and F) was put on MIG-15bis, MIG-17 and TU-14. The fact that VK-1 is only the modernization and development of British NIN is universally recognized in the scientific literature.
        If you were an American, you would now write that the USSR could not create P-7 and bring out a satellite, an astronaut, and the first and in general
        I suggest thinking about something else:
        - the technological breakthrough of the USSR occurred essentially after receiving the latest technologies (and equipment) for lend-lease (the same from the USA and England), as well as after receiving everything from Germany / Italy.
        If you look closely, after receiving them, a break in technology (a slide) from a very low start (there are still no normal toilets in the villages) and then a smooth slide down to the horizontal (initiation attenuation).
        So?
        Threat and I have manuals on hand (according to Saturn and Skylab) - can you read them?
        http://ipic.su/img/img7/fs/saturn.1486975069.png


        http://ipic.su/img/img7/fs/skylab.1486975079.png

        moreover, I will not argue with foam at the mouth that the Americans didn’t cheat with the Apollo.
        Mb not 6 times, but 5 (4,3,2,1), and there are less hours of staying on the moon.

        Quote: Olezhek
        Just 8 months after the tremendous failure of 4 on April 1968, the Saturn-5 started with people on board, heading straight for the Moon.

        Well, do not distort it!
        1. Before Apollo-1 were: SA-1 ... SA-5
        2. Tests of the spacecraft: from Apollo QTV-1 to Apollo 004 (all 12, For not full THREE years -12, TWELVE CARL !!!)
        3.S-IVB from AS-201 to AS-204 (this is the HAPPY Apollo-1)
        4. After your "grandiose failure of April 4 1968 of the year" for "eight months" was
        -Apollo 4 (test descent vehicle when entering the atmosphere at a speed of 11,14 km / s)
        -Apollo 5 (test of the lunar module in open space)
        -Apollo 6
        That was the pace at that time (and now) that only American industry could afford.
        1. +5
          13 February 2017 12: 55
          2. Here you are not indignant that the country has just survived the hardest war in the history of the Earth and has the European part destroyed with 90% (with the main technological base), has lost 20 (30) million of the population, of which 70% are men dawn of strength
          VIA 12 years launched the first satellite, and soon the astronaut.
          Or 29 of August 1949 of the year undermined its first nuclear warhead


          You yourself write: the USSR borrowed technology.
          Well, plus its own good technical school, plus Stalin and a supercentralized power. And the USSR did not have any “miracles” and “sudden breakthroughs”. Any technical achievements from something followed and somewhere led.

          In the USSR space program there are no such "riddles" like Apollo. Stupidly NO. Everything went banal. No mysticism.

          Further: yes, the USA sharply exceeded the USSR in mass production of consumer goods (which is not surprising)
          technical level is higher, money is bigger.
          BUT in space exploration this for some reason did not affect much (in 60, 70, 80) ...
          If you remove the "legendary" Apollo, then in which they fundamentally surpassed us? In the shuttles?

          the technological breakthrough of the USSR occurred essentially after the receipt of the latest technologies


          I will probably surprise someone a lot, but Germany (Prussia and others) actively borrowed technology in England in the 19 century (the era of "grunding")
          Japan did the same at the end of the 19 / 20 century.
          South Korea say did everything yourself?
          Italy?
          Technological borrowing is commonplace.

          In the mid-60's, the United States did not have anyone to “borrow” the technology of interplanetary flights.
          Not with anyone.

          Develop yourself in a few years?
          Not funny.
          1. +3
            14 February 2017 19: 49
            Quote: Olezhek
            You yourself write: the USSR borrowed technology.

            Not much wrong.
            I talked about the technological breakthroughs of the USSR (Russia)
            Quote: Olezhek
            And the USSR did not have any “miracles” and “sudden breakthroughs”. L

            atomic bomb, thermonuclear charge, satellite, the first cosmonaut in space ... then a decline (a sinusoid with slight fluctuations) almost to degradation
            Quote: Olezhek
            In the USSR space program there are no such "riddles" as Apollo

            Oh-oh-oh
            I have a direct relationship with her (astronautics). Not everything is as simple as broadcasting officialdom.
            Quote: Olezhek
            Further: yes, the USA sharply exceeded the USSR in mass production of consumer goods (which is not surprising)

            machine tools, ships, cars, aircraft, bulldozers (
            Are you aware that the bulldozer won the war on maintenance?) In precision machines, in machines in general, in chemistry (full tin)
            Yes, it’s enough now to get on the “diamond-antey2 and look at the machine park
            And not so simple with the "consumer goods" you despise
            automotive industry is a complicated technological chain, from 30 to 000 it is a component and not EVERYONE is given to produce a car ... for reasonable money. The same thing about washers and refrigerators
            Quote: Olezhek
            Japan did the same

            Who taught everything to the USA, Newton, Einstein?
            who suggested the periodic table to Mendeleev?
            Quote: Olezhek
            Not with anyone.
            Develop yourself in a few years?
            Not funny.

            at home + Germans
            By the way, Robert G. Goddard is known to others as the father of modern rocket science and not only "there", but also in the world
            [media = http: //youtu.be/2TRkiQGbxC8]
            PS. You did not answer the charge:
            Quote: opus
            Well, do not distort it!
        2. +4
          13 February 2017 15: 18
          Quote: opus
          That was the pace at that time (and now) that only American industry could afford.

          Explain to me, I don’t know why, after the launch of the satellite of the USSR, Congress sharply increased the cost of education?
          Quote: opus
          - the technological breakthrough of the USSR occurred essentially after receiving the latest technologies (and equipment) for lend-lease (the same from the USA and England)

          Here is no need to whistle. The RSFSR actively sold the property of the church (about which the church shouted loudly in 90), and bought equipment. The United States was enriched by 2 World War II, where Russia paid the highest price - with blood. As for the sale of Crimea to Trotsky, I’ll be silent.
          1. +4
            13 February 2017 18: 29
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            As for the sale of Crimea to Trotsky, I’ll be silent.

            Trotsky sold the Crimea? When and to whom? Usually the chronicle worsens in the fall and spring. Autumn is over, spring has not yet begun, what is the reason for such statements?
            1. +3
              13 February 2017 18: 50
              Quote: kalibr
              Trotsky sold the Crimea? TO

              To the Americans. Divided into monetary units, and sold under American securities. At interest. And Stalin took, and sent them to hell ... And then, in 41, I had to agree. At 10 years. And Nikita, a scoundrel, took, and gave the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR, so the Americans caved in with the demand from the RSFSR.
          2. +2
            14 February 2017 19: 57
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            why, after the launch of the satellite of the USSR, did the congress sharply increase spending on education?

            Who told you "ignoramus" such nonsense? where did you read it?
            is there a link?
            And that is not the "competence" of the US Congress
            1. After World War II, to 1950, when the Bill GI (Bill of Soldiers' Rights) and the accessibility - and sometimes free access - of universities caused a sharp increase in the number of college students across the country. This growth continued in the 1960, when universities were the center of intense public discussion, ardent teaching and noisy civic participation in the problems of that time.
            What to do with the soldiers? Do not take them - the pipe, social. explosion

            2. To keep the "extra" people (7% unemployed), President Kennedy passed laws in 1961 through Congress on the allocation of loans from the federal budget for training: Area Redevelopment Act, 1961, 394 million, and National Defense Education Act, 1963, 731 million. According to economists, the impact of these stimulus packages was minimal - only 220 thousand jobs were opened. John Kennedy's first state budget in 1961 led to the country's first deficit in peacetime.
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Here is no need to whistle.

            You whistle, and in the water.
            where does the church, Crimea and Trotsky?
            fool
            1. +2
              14 February 2017 20: 17
              Quote: opus
              John Kennedy's first state budget in 1961 led to the country's first deficit in peacetime.

              And our Khrushchev in the 61th carried out such a Reform that the ruble in 2 lost weight more than once. I mean, the confrontation between the USSR and the USA required huge financial costs. Either the Union lost in the confrontation, or agreed. There is no direct evidence. But there are as many doubts as you can.
        3. +1
          13 February 2017 15: 48
          the technological breakthrough of the USSR occurred essentially after receiving the latest technologies (and equipment) for lend-lease (the same from the USA and England), as well as after receiving everything from Germany / Italy.

          Well, yes, we won the war thanks to the exceptional, do not carry any bullshit.
          1. +2
            14 February 2017 19: 58
            Quote: krops777
            do not carry nonsense.

            Do not smack nonsense.
            1.I didn't say that
            2. Won due to the loss of 10% of the working population. It cost a lot to the country.
        4. +2
          14 February 2017 00: 22
          Quote: opus
          and I have manuals on hand (according to Saturn and Skylab)

          Do not need a collection? wink
          1. +3
            14 February 2017 19: 58
            Quote: region58
            Do not need a collection?

            thank you there is
    2. +10
      13 February 2017 07: 58
      Quote: Alex_59
      The USA is truly a great country and an exceptional nation.


      This "smacks of modern Ukraine."

      Please explain what the "exclusivity" of the American nation is: the color of blood, DNA or IQ, different from other nations ?! Aryan blood and pure Aryans in history have already been, the result is known to all.
      1. +4
        13 February 2017 09: 15
        They are especially distinguished by infamy; their story speaks about this
      2. +3
        13 February 2017 09: 44
        And you look at the panoramic photo of New York 1940 and Moscow 1940. And for comparison, add Moscow 2017. They are the same as us, only for some reason they have it, and we ...
        1. 0
          6 March 2017 12: 27
          Moscow 2017 compared to New York 2017 looks better compared to Moscow in 1940 compared to New York in 1940))
      3. +4
        14 February 2017 07: 00
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Please explain what the "exclusivity" of the American nation is:

        The fact that among the peoples with a high level of development of science and technology in the second half of the 20 century they are clearly among the leaders. It is foolish to argue with this, typing this message using technology developed in the USA and using the Internet, also developed in the USA. For me personally, American leadership is not an insult and does not offend at all. For the Americans themselves (for many, not for all) the tower was of course demolished and they consider themselves the ONLY exceptional, not recognizing that many other nations are almost at the same level of development with them - Germany, France, Russia, Japan, China, Great Britain and a few more. I cannot agree with this opinion already. Yes, US leaders, but they are not the only ones. The debate about who exactly is the first does not make sense. In 1961, it was clearly the USSR. Today is obviously the United States, and in years 10 it will obviously be China. Leaders go very close and the first place is constantly changing. Being second and third in this process is not at all offensive. 99% of the world's population did not even come close to such successes.
        As for the non-scientific sphere, the United States is far from in the forefront, but not in the latter either. It’s just that Hollywood slag is being poured on us, and we think that this is their culture. But in the same way, we can judge our culture by Kirokorov and House-2, and not by Pushkin and Tchaikovsky. It is not right. Read Mark Twain, listen to George Gershwin - this is a completely different America.
    3. +1
      13 February 2017 09: 16
      Did you see them there? laughing
    4. +11
      13 February 2017 10: 49
      Quote: Alex_59
      After all, they do not dispute the fact that Gagarin was also the first. They didn’t take the pain to prove that the USSR did not launch the first man into space.

      They do it easier - they write that on May 05, 1961, the first American A. Shepard visited space! And then - melenko - also in 1961 the USSR sent Yu. Gagarin into space. feel And while not a word of untruth! bully
      1. +6
        13 February 2017 11: 07
        andj61 Today, 11: 49They come easier
        ... in a child in an encyclopedia I read:

        1961g-The first Vostok-1 manned spacecraft was launched into space. Yuri Gagarin became the first man to fly into space. (affiliation of a country or nation is not).

        1969g-American astronaut Neil Armstrong became the first man to set foot on the moon.,,,like this recourse
        1. +6
          13 February 2017 11: 40
          Quote: bubalik
          1961 - The first manned spacecraft Vostok-1 was launched into space. Yuri Gagarin became the first person to fly into space. (Affiliation of the country or nation is not).

          Get fucked up and don't get up! Well, yes - there is no USSR, respectively, and the country that sent Gagarin on the flight does not need to be indicated! The logic is awesome! Hands to the compilers of such an encyclopedia to tear ... sad
          hi
        2. +3
          13 February 2017 13: 42
          And the proof is that the first Armstrong, and who then removed it from the side when he took this first step, then there was someone first. The camera was mounted on their chest and was guided by turning the body!
          1. +6
            13 February 2017 13: 46
            Quote: Berg Berg
            And the proof is that the first Armstrong, and who then removed it from the side when he took this first step, then there was someone first

            The Rubik's Cube was the first. I mean, Stanley. Which Kubrick. (I'm completely confused). crying
    5. 0
      14 February 2017 09: 26
      Alex_59
      The USA is truly a great country and an exceptional nation. It's silly to argue with that.

      Ha ha ha laughing Thank you laugh! Let’s not a modest question, do you take herbs or taking into account the latest trends in wooden do you prefer?
    6. 0
      26 August 2017 15: 22
      After all, they do not dispute the fact that Gagarin was also the first
      tried to challenge for a very long time.
  10. +10
    13 February 2017 07: 04
    Egorov revealed another conspiracy of "wise men"! Hooray to him for that.
    A modest question: why didn’t anyone (!) Of the Soviet cosmonauts, scientists, and politicians of that time doubt and doubt these flights? Listen to the same Leonov. Incidentally, he participated in the Soyuz-Apollo program, and it included docking / undocking in orbit of ships with different types of locks, which is also not an easy task. And the type of atmosphere used was different. Well, this is not an argument, of course, for such authors.
    Where was the "kogovaya gebnya" with the exposure of the scam of the century?
    The last question - why the hell did you have to drag such an article here, kilometers of analogs have already hammered the expanses of the tyurnet, of which it is quite realistic to stretch the road to the moon.
    1. +3
      13 February 2017 07: 12
      Incidentally, he participated in the Soyuz-Apollo program, and in it was dockingand in orbit ships with different type of gatewayis also not an easy task


      Yes, the task is not childish ...
      1. +4
        13 February 2017 07: 21
        More complicated than any horseradish post. Considering that there was no previous experience of such docking, only with ships of their own designs for each of the countries, there was a rather specific operation.
        So this, about the Soviet cosmonauts and the “killer gebnyu”: where are their protests and poking a finger into a universal scale scam?
    2. 0
      26 August 2017 15: 25
      The tricky question is why. But here are even more complex questions, how can one launch to the moon on a rocket in which two of the three launches were catastrophic? I won’t talk about the toilet issue anymore. And in general, there are many questions. And to the Americans, and to us. And there are substantiated articles to whom and why hiding this scam was beneficial.
  11. +30
    13 February 2017 07: 07
    The Americans did not fly to the moon, did not fly. Whatever you say there, that America like made a leap, she had a lot of money, she really wanted to win, that she could ... - I DO NOT BELIEVE. Too many questions. Too! And many are either without answers, or stupidly hushed up, or it is proposed simply to BELIEVE that they flew there ... And how many banal inconsistencies! And still people, like rams, continue to believe and babble that the Americans flew to the moon. What about the evidence? They say so, and the Americans are white and fluffy, honest, they will not lie wassat laughing
    Turn on the brains - to dismiss a thousand first-class specialists including the chief designer of the rocket and then successfully fly? RAVE! Why suddenly a bunch of preferences for the USSR, coinciding with flights to the moon, how happiness fell on us? Just? The amount of time it takes to take a photo and the photos themselves does not at all coincide with the amount of time the astronauts were on the moon. They still managed to play golf, run, jump ... Engineers have long calculated that the characteristic of Saturn 5 is a fake. But we are stubbornly forced to believe in fairy tales ... request
    Believe people, believe ...
    I do not believe. The fairy tale is too beautiful and has a sequel


    hi Personally, my opinion ...
    1. +15
      13 February 2017 07: 11
      And in vitro - Lunar soil ... fellow sad
      1. +5
        13 February 2017 12: 13
        and in a glass of moonlight water
        1. +5
          13 February 2017 12: 56
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and in a glass of moonlight water

          My experienced look sees vodka. 40 degrees, not less. am
        2. 0
          26 August 2017 15: 29
          It is among those who believe in this nonsense about flying to the moon, about Skyleb and so on. It was a jump into orbit, an exit into orbit, shuttles and various automatic stations + a telescope in orbit. And what is now. But there was no lunar epic, there was a grand bluff.
    2. +3
      13 February 2017 17: 20
      “Engineers have long figured out that Saturn 5’s characteristic is fake.” - Probably the same engineers, which is now Mukhin.
      1. +3
        13 February 2017 17: 52
        Quote: Vadim237
        “Engineers have long figured out that Saturn 5’s characteristic is fake.” - Probably the same engineers, which is now Mukhin.

        Read
        N.V. Lebedev Memoirs of a Rocketeer
        Just read to the end wink hi
        1. 0
          14 February 2017 08: 20
          Born 1942 He was educated (mining engineer) at the Faculty of Geography of Moscow State University and at the Moscow Geological Prospecting Institute.
          From 1964 to 1967, he served at the Tyuratam test rocket range (NIIP-5), first in the 311st missile regiment, in the engine group that tested the engines of the UR-100 and UR-200 rockets (UR-200 is one of the steps of the Proton ”And at the same time an independent combat missile), then in the support (support) group of missile launches in the Main Directorate of the training range. Note: Baikonur is called only that part of the Tyura-Tam training ground on which the Queen’s "farm" was located. The farms of Yangel and Chelomei were not included in Baikonur. After demobilization, he worked in a post office headed by the general designer for missile control systems, Academician N.A. Pilyugin.
          In the 70s, he worked as a mining engineer-geologist in geological exploration expeditions of the USSR Ministry of Geology and Geology.

          Hmm, bigotry .. !!! the memories of a man (undoubtedly worthy) is an official denial of the fact that Satrun took off !!! drinks
  12. +7
    13 February 2017 07: 12
    huge machines providing accuracy of several microns on multi-meter parts

    The author has no idea about metrology. Such tolerances on multimeter parts no designer will set, simply because of the error of the measuring tool.

    But the Americans were not afraid and took a chance ... and won.

    They took a chance, yeah. Their flag flutters in the moon on the moon. There’s nothing to talk about.
    1. +5
      13 February 2017 07: 20
      No designer will set such tolerances on multimeter parts.


      Comrad, modern best machines can provide such accuracy.
      Again can

      In the 60-ies I did not work, so what precision could then ensure the metal-cutting equipment at a few meters in length. Most likely "tens" (tenths of a millimeter)
      Over the past 40 years, a revolution has occurred in design and metalworking.
      1. +2
        13 February 2017 07: 28
        Revolution is one thing. Design, materials science, heat treatment, assembly, operation - other. Do you have a technical background? Then do not carry the blizzard ... And if not, then especially not carry. Need not such accuracy (several thousandths of a millimeter) on "multi-meter" parts. The permissible runout, for example, of a propeller shaft with a length of 66-85 diameters (it completely pulls on a "multi-meter" part) - 8 hundred parts!
        1. +2
          13 February 2017 07: 51
          Such precision (a few thousandths of a millimeter) on "multi-meter" parts is not needed.


          There are tasks that the designer poses
          There are technological capabilities of production.
          And the second always limits the first

          So, the last for the expired 40 with a tail of years, the technological capabilities of production have grown very much. In terms of quick and accurate manufacturing of any non-standard parts (including large dimensions)
          1. 0
            14 February 2017 06: 45
            Yes darling.
      2. +1
        13 February 2017 08: 29
        Quote: Olezhek
        No designer will set such tolerances on multimeter parts.

        Comrad, modern best machines can provide such accuracy.
        Again can.

        ...what for? If such a “critical” dependence on the accuracy of metalworking cannot be solved in any other way constructively? And how to deal with the "disappearance" of such accuracy associated with the wear of "unique parts" during operation - from friction, say, or quite simply - diffusion of materials (interdiffusion, say ...)? ...
        ...where exactly "good question"?
        1. 0
          13 February 2017 10: 16
          If such a “critical” dependence on the accuracy of metalworking cannot be solved otherwise constructively? And how to deal with the "disappearance" of such accuracy associated with the wear of "unique parts" during operation


          So, we have a "habitable capsule"
          So today you can stupidly shove it into the machine and process everything you want very quickly with perfect accuracy ... As 45 did years ago, I’m even afraid to imagine ...

          Operation, metal wear, dimensional change due to temperature changes ...
          these are all very interesting, but these are slightly different topics.
          1. 0
            13 February 2017 12: 21
            Over the past 40 years, the technological capabilities of production have grown tremendously.

            ... yeah! About the "tail", I forgot! ... And in it - all the salt! if her, this salt - pour on this tail ...
          2. +2
            13 February 2017 21: 19
            Quote: Olezhek
            So, we have a "habitable capsule"
            So today it can be stupidly shoved into the machine as a whole and processed with perfect accuracy everything you want and very quickly ...

            Well, you are a dreamer! By the way, I am a machine operator with 30 years of experience. A universal turner with crusts and stuff attached, it was where, what and from whom to learn. I can replace many.
            I’m leaving, I don’t want to get involved in a useless argument. Tomorrow is a hard day, I have 30 billets for hydraulic cylinders. All the best.
    2. +5
      13 February 2017 11: 48
      Quote: Flinky
      The author has no idea about metrology. No designer will set such tolerances on multi-meter parts, simply because of the error of the measuring tool.

      Yes, this is not necessary! Such accuracy on multi-meter parts is simply useless.

      Quote: Flinky
      They took a chance, yeah. Their flag flutters in the moon on the moon. There’s nothing to talk about.

      Well, they talked about this even in Soviet times - pavilion shooting on the ground.
      There are cooler pictures - they show the exit of the astronaut to the moon, and then the camera zooms in, shooting from a different angle, etc. .. That is, before the hero-astronaut, they also abandoned the nameless cameraman! fellow
      In the same way - the start of the lunar module from several angles. Or shooting an astronaut on a lunar motorcycle - also with arrivals, from different angles. At the same time, the second of the astronauts who landed on the moon is also in the frame. For some reason, the operator, however, cannot be seen! bully
      So filming here is in order - the pavilion!
    3. +3
      13 February 2017 12: 14
      well, the wind they could provide, with improper nutrition
    4. +2
      13 February 2017 13: 39
      Quote: Flinky
      No designer will set such tolerances on multi-meter parts,

      Well, it’s said, rather figuratively. But the thoughts, in general, are correct.
  13. +10
    13 February 2017 07: 20
    The author has a spring exacerbation ?! They forgot about Obama the reptiloid. Articles like this are normal to see in the yellow press, but do not expect here.
    1. +8
      13 February 2017 07: 47
      Let's do this: yeti and the Loch Ness monster are one thing (fantasy)
      Flight to the moon - a scientific event ...
      And if the people do not see the difference between them ... then you will involuntarily think about it, but was there a boy?
  14. +1
    13 February 2017 07: 33
    Another check for lice ...
    Either in the next decade we will raise the cosmos of mass consciousness and begin full-scale exploration of the Cosmos, or we will finally turn into a human louse and gnaw the planet and each other.
    It would be very useful to turn the brains of Oleg Egorov and other authors in the direction of cosmic consciousness of earthlings.
    "Through hardship to the stars".
    See the root.
  15. +4
    13 February 2017 07: 35
    from the author: the Yankees have never been to the moon, and now try to prove the opposite ...
    1. +5
      13 February 2017 15: 17
      The author completely lacks 2 things: brains and conscience.
      Now let him try to prove the opposite.
      1. 0
        14 February 2017 08: 51
        By the way, if mattresses admit that they have lost technology, this is equivalent to the fact that they recognize themselves as clinical idiots, you (mattresses) who are liars or clinical idiots? tongue
      2. 0
        26 August 2017 16: 11
        I suggest you do this: put on a semblance of a spacesuit and go under him for a week, big and small. Moreover, to gather the whole family (if you have one) in a small stuffy room with you. And then write to us whether after that you believe in flights to the moon.
        I’m not writing about the technical side - it does not withstand any, even loyal criticism.
  16. 0
    13 February 2017 07: 36
    Quote: Olezhek
    Soviet workers related to space.


    Are they here sideways?

    Well, they (space workers: the designer, astronauts, scientists, etc.) must just refute the flight of the Americans to the moon. Or do you think they have nothing to do with it?
    1. +2
      13 February 2017 07: 39
      Quote: yarobot
      Quote: Olezhek
      Soviet workers related to space.


      Are they here sideways?

      Well, they (space workers: the designer, astronauts, scientists, etc.) must just refute the flight of the Americans to the moon. Or do you think they have nothing to do with it?

      So I turned to Michman. I have never seen his comments on such articles.
    2. +1
      13 February 2017 08: 59
      You can refute an event or action. There is nothing to refute here. After all, no one does not demand that it is necessary to refute the existence of a flagiston.
    3. +7
      13 February 2017 11: 36
      Technicians will answer you anyway about the following:
      In the 60s americans IN THEORY could land on the moon

      Since the Americans themselves are in no hurry to share the Evidence of the landing and with enviable constancy "chopping off the ends", before obtaining independent data from the Apollo’s landing sites such Lunar program evidence IMHO - NO. So, there are doubts, which incidentally go on the same plane with the unproven claims of the Americans, "We were there and we will not prove it." In general, until I feel the "flying saucer" for me, the US Lunar Program and the "truth ... are somewhere nearby."
      1. 0
        13 February 2017 17: 24
        That is 14000 photos in HD quality - even the stars are present and the third-stage compartment is fixed. https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchiv
        e / page1
  17. +1
    13 February 2017 07: 46
    Quote: kalibr
    To derogate the statements of the President of Russia is, of course, yes! Cool!

    I note: the president is, first and foremost, a politician! It is easy to talk about his statements, without having the real practice of managing the largest state, moreover, to stay alive. I assure you what Givi (M. Tolstykh) died not by his death, as if we were not assured of the opposite. It is difficult to explain from the outside and all the more understand the true reasons for the individual statements of major politicians, without fully knowing the reasons for such statements.
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 18: 36
      Quote: venaya
      died not by his death

      It is clear that he died an ALIEN DEATH, and kept his secret.
  18. +19
    13 February 2017 08: 02
    The Achilles heel of the entire mattress lunar program is the F - 1 engines. Why weren’t such powerful and most important reliable engines used except for the Saturn - 5 launch vehicles? An indication that they were not economical and old is immediately swept away (the main engine of the R-7 rocket (RD-107) is even more ancient, but is still in operation). On the basis of F - 1 it was possible to make a good medium-class launch vehicle (such as Zenit LV), which in no way would be a competitor to the Space Shuttle heavy-class system. It is believed that the F - 1 engines did not reach up to 20% of the thrust and therefore the known parameters of the Apollo lunar ship were not achievable. Instead of 120 tons on the DOE required to fly to the moon, Saturn - 5 displayed about 80 tons. For a full landing on the moon, this was not enough, but here for the creation of a heavy spacecraft with MEANS OF IMITATION landing on the moon is enough. In the case of using F - 1 in a mass launch vehicle, its inconsistency with the indicated parameters would be revealed, therefore, they limited themselves to the creation of a small series of superheavy launch vehicles, where the low traction parameters of the engine were hidden by the large dimensions of the launch vehicle. Outer space controls made it possible to track objects in Earth orbit, but it was impossible to find out what was being done near the Moon. The launch of the LV from the Earth, the launch of the LC to the Moon, were recorded, negotiations were recorded with the crew during the flight. Then, at the Moon, when control of extraneous countries from the Earth became impossible, the IMITATION LANDING on the lunar surface was discharged, the moon landing shots taken in the "Hollywood" were relayed, and the reverse "triumphal" flight was carried out.
    In addition, the very "gentlemanly" attitude of the secondary school and the USSR towards the landing sites of the enemy’s apparatus on the moon is very suspicious. For example, to make the opponent’s moral and ideological kick more painful, the mattresses could land on the moon at the landing site of the AMS “Luna-9” and break it with a sledgehammer by filming all this on video, and the Soviet “Lunokhods” could land next to the Apollo landing site move (overturn) their flag set on the moon, so that questions remain.
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      0
      13 February 2017 11: 10
      Outer space controls made it possible to track objects in Earth orbit, but it was impossible to find out what was being done near the Moon.

      Why so? or locators to the moon did not finish? It seems like our devices were controlled there!
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 14: 11
        Imagine no. You can’t find out what movements a sufficiently compact object near the Moon makes if you don’t have the ability to control it, and control at such distances is difficult, so they try to make such objects automatic. The control of our devices was at the MCC. Do not confuse the ability to control your device and the enemy.
        1. +1
          13 February 2017 15: 59
          But what about the corner reflector that the Americans left on the moon? They say that you can whistle in that direction and catch a response signal ... At the same time, measure the distance to the moon again
          1. +3
            13 February 2017 16: 59
            Then, near the Moon, when control of extraneous countries from the Earth became impossible, the means of SIMULATION OF LANDING on the lunar surface were reset. LANDING SIMULATION FACILITIES include corner reflectors.
  19. +2
    13 February 2017 08: 09
    Quote: yarobot
    Well, they (space workers: the designer, astronauts, scientists, etc.) must just refute the flight of the Americans to the moon. Or do you think they have nothing to do with it?

    well, don’t be lazy, look, and you will find refutations from both scientists and designers ... if you don’t read, it doesn’t mean THAT is not ...
    1. +2
      13 February 2017 09: 17
      Well, bring them. Once they are, revered. Preferably indicating the name of the author. And without "yellowness" please. How does this become.
      And so the "Chief Designer" after the Queen admits that the Americans landed on the moon. The astronauts of those times also recognize. What else do you need?
      1. +3
        13 February 2017 09: 49
        Quote: yarobot
        Well, bring them. Once they are, revered.

        Are you completely lazy? or don’t be friends with the computer? "google" to help you ...
        1. 0
          13 February 2017 10: 15
          looking for! Have not found. Give what you dig, it would be very interesting!

          But to argue who is lazy, I see no reason.
      2. +4
        13 February 2017 10: 12
        And so the "Chief Designer" after the Queen admits that the Americans landed on the moon. The astronauts of those times also recognize. What else do you need?


        Remember that same story about proving a geometric theorem to a dumb dauphin?
        Your Highness, swear by the honor of a noblemanshe is true!

        Let's stop operating with "noble honor" in technical matters.
        1. +1
          13 February 2017 13: 05
          Well, give me the information that you dig there? No and no trial. In addition to the yellow press, serious publications do not write about this.
          So bring a link from space industry officials that the Americans did not fly to the moon.
          Since you do not bring them, then they are not.
      3. +2
        13 February 2017 18: 03
        Quote: yarobot
        Well, bring them. Once they are, revered. Preferably indicating the name of the author. And without "yellowness" please.

        www.manonmoon.ru
        Just read everything. There are articles by physicists and engineers, cameramen and photographers hi
        Happy reading smile
        1. +1
          13 February 2017 20: 26
          Quote: Rurikovich
          www.manonmoon.ru
          Just read everything.

          Information about the domain MANONMOON.RU
          % By submitting a query to RIPN's Whois Service
          % you agree to abide by the following terms of use:
          % http://www.ripn.net/about/servpol.html#3.2
          % http://www.ripn.net/about/en/servpol.html#3.2 (in English).

          domain: MANONMOON.RU
          nserver: ns1.agava.net.ru.
          nserver: ns2.agava.net.ru.
          state: REGISTERED, DELEGATED, VERIFIED
          person: Private Person
          registrar: R01-RU
          admin-contact: https://partner.r01.ru/contact_admin.khtml
          created: 2008.08.26
          paid-till: 2017.08.26
          free-date: 2017.09.26
          source: TCI
          In general, the site is registered by an unknown person ... This, of course, will be better than the Academy of Sciences ...
          1. +2
            13 February 2017 21: 38
            Quote: region58
            In general, the site is registered by an unknown person ... This, of course, will be better than the Academy of Sciences ...

            Does this mean that the materials on it cannot be trusted?
            "Wife:
            - Oh, Vasya. here the letter came without a signature, and in it pictures of you with some little girl naked! But you don’t cheat on me, because the letter is without a signature!? ... "
            I beg of you laughing I will believe common sense, not ravings about heroic moon expeditions hi
            1. +2
              13 February 2017 22: 09
              Quote: yarobot
              Well, bring them. Once they are, revered.

              Quote: Rurikovich
              www.manonmoon.ru

              Quote: yarobot
              So bring a link from space industry officials

              Quote: region58
              In general, the site is registered by an unknown person ...

              Quote: Rurikovich
              Does this mean that the materials on it cannot be trusted?

              Quote: Rurikovich
              I will believe common sense

              And where is common sense? Or is it to unconditionally believe what is written on an incomprehensible site is unknown on whose behalf? So this is a matter of faith.
              You can certainly read international news in speed info, but I better read what TASS writes there ...
              1. +2
                13 February 2017 22: 30
                Quote: region58
                Or is it to unconditionally believe what is written on an incomprehensible site is unknown on whose behalf?

                Articles on the site HAVE authors wink
                This is equivalent to if I took a number of articles by different authors that are in the same topic and posted them on my site but without my signature - so, can’t you trust these authors?
                If the "Capital" of K. Marx will be posted on the website of the Academy of Sciences of the Russian Federation, then it is indisputable as evidence, but if it is not signed on mine, then it cannot be trusted ??? laughing
                These articles on the mentioned site are freely available on other sites, BUT on this site they are posted as part of one topic - the analysis of the flights of Americans to the moon - for convenience.
                Therefore, if AIDS-Info prints about breaking the dam in America and it will be in the exact same form on other resources, then I will believe in the news. I believe it is in the NEWS, because it is confirmed, and not in the resource on which she went wink
                Similarly, about this site - I believe in these materials of the authors.
                And you can believe other materials of other authors request This is your own business. hi
                1. +1
                  13 February 2017 22: 52
                  Quote: Rurikovich
                  Articles on the site HAVE authors

                  So all articles (including those in the yellow press) have authors. The matter is that not a single official scientific researcher of any officially recognized scientific institution in the whole world, not a single official in the whole world, not one of those really involved in astronautics expresses doubts on this topic. And for some reason, our films are not illuminated by deadly radiation, our soil is really from the moon - delivered automatically !!! mode (at that time more than science fiction), our living creatures after flying around the Moon even if henna ... you can continue for a long time ... But you can believe ... you can believe anything ... including the fact that the outlet is evil spirit is sitting. hi Chumak was also believed ... And Mavrodi still believe ...
                  1. +3
                    13 February 2017 23: 00
                    Quote: region58
                    our soil is really from the moon - delivered automatically !!! mode (at that time more than fiction)

                    And our soil was delivered after the American.
                    Quote: region58
                    you can believe anything ... including the fact that an evil spirit is sitting in a socket.

                    I put two carnations in the socket, and touched my finger. recourse
                    Quote: region58
                    Chumak was also believed ...

                    Grandma believed, but I did not. laughing
                    1. +2
                      13 February 2017 23: 50
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      I put two carnations in the socket, and touched my finger.

                  2. +2
                    13 February 2017 23: 15
                    Quote: region58
                    Chumak was also believed ... And Mavrodi still believe ...

                    Maybe someone believed, but I do not. Therefore, you can believe in flights to the moon, but I do not believe. Because I look at them from a technical and logical point of view hi
                    1. +1
                      13 February 2017 23: 22
                      Quote: Rurikovich
                      Because I look at them from a technical and logical point of view

                      Quote: region58
                      You see, I look at the technical side of the issue.

                      What !!! We see the textbooks we had were different ...
                      1. +1
                        13 February 2017 23: 25
                        Quote: region58
                        It can be seen that we had different textbooks.

                        request Believe further in fairy tales hi
                2. +4
                  13 February 2017 22: 57
                  Well, finally, for questions of faith in American records: sit down in a two-seater compartment (you can use some Porsche thread) and without getting out, live there for 14 days (you can in diapers). Better yet, if you will be with what thread your friend wink It's me that the Americans announced the flight on the "Gemini" lasting 14 days. The living volume of this ashtray compartment is 2.5m3 (two and a half cubic meters) FOR TWO. Despite the fact that our "Unions" had 10m3 (ten cubic meters) of living space for two (three) with a WC. And the technical aspects of solving the problems of the ship while in space are in the public domain, which cannot be said about the American program, where there are only astronauts and their heroic day of flight (probably over the ears)
                  What do I believe more - the common sense approach to our flights, or in the relational of the Americans without explaining the technical points. They flew and everything, broke records and that's it. Loshars in the world will believe
                  And they went out into space as if from a car - the hatch opened and went out laughing
                  LIE your Americans, and don't blush wink
                  1. +1
                    13 February 2017 23: 12
                    Quote: Rurikovich
                    LIE your Americans

                    You see, I look at the technical side of the issue. I’m used to looking at drawings, diagrams and formulas to understand how this or that device works. If we assume that someone is good and someone is bad ... the question of faith already begins ...
                  2. +2
                    13 February 2017 23: 31
                    Quote: Rurikovich
                    Gemini flights

                    Quote: Rurikovich
                    our "Unions" had 10m3

                    “Gemini” is correctly compared with “Vostok” (1.6 cubic meters. Residential volume), or “Sunrise”, and “Union” with “Apollo” (12.7 cubic meters.).
  20. +11
    13 February 2017 08: 14
    The topic for me has lost relevance. USA to the moon people Did not send. They are just not so good.
    One is sad. How many Russian-speaking people with a mythological worldview, and not critical thinking.
    And the funny thing is, NASA has to come up with an excuse why they are working on Orion technologies and methods that seem to have been successfully implemented and worked half a century ago.
    1. +10
      13 February 2017 09: 07
      On this occasion, it is necessary to brand the traitors Leonov and Grechko, who sold themselves for a barrel of jam and a box of cookies with cursed Mirikans, as shame. And they have enough conscience to call the whole "theory of a moon conspiracy" conspiracy nonsense! :)))
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 09: 17
        Want to brand. I do not care. This topic will become relevant when an astronaut with a tricolor sets foot on the lunar surface.
      2. +5
        13 February 2017 09: 30
        Quote: Krivbass
        traitors Leonov and Grechko, sold for a barrel of jam and a box of cookies to the cursed Mirikans

        Leonov collaborated with Boeing, and Grechko is still a storyteller. In his opinion, the Tunguska meteorite flew to Peter, and the aliens knocked it out. And in general, your flag is somehow not so ... depraved ... belay laughing
        1. +5
          13 February 2017 10: 16
          Yes, yes, the Soviet astronauts are traitors or storytellers. What can we expect from them :))) Here are conspirators like Mukhin - they know for sure :))) Well, the flag is by itself :)))))))
      3. +1
        13 February 2017 09: 50
        Quote: Krivbass
        On this occasion, you need to brand the traitors Leonov and Grechko as a shame,

        why traitors? they did their duty. what was needed was what they said.
        1. 0
          13 February 2017 10: 13
          How, in the post-Soviet era, was it also necessary? And why?
          1. +3
            13 February 2017 10: 32
            Quote: Krivbass
            How, in the post-Soviet era, was it also necessary? And why?

            Read Tom Wolfe. When he wrote "The Battle for Space", where he explained the reluctance to give astronauts an interview with their heroism, the "Battle for Space" was called the best work of the 70s. And when he wrote "I Am Charlotte Simmons" about American education, then all the bumps fell on him. Moreover, the only thing they could find fault with was the bed theme. request
            1. +2
              13 February 2017 13: 27
              Fiction is not interesting to me. I would have at least one confirmation of the theory of the "moon conspiracy" not from the next conspirator, but from a specialist in the space industry. As long as all such experts call the "theory of the moon conspiracy" conspiracy theories.
              1. +4
                13 February 2017 13: 34
                Quote: Krivbass
                Fiction is not interesting to me.

                And, the fact that Wolfe defended his doctorate in Americanization is not interesting for you either? Then I pass. By the way, read at least his biography.
                1. 0
                  13 February 2017 19: 15
                  Is he an expert in the field of astronautics and manned flights? No? Then it is absolutely uninteresting. Yes, and in general, I trust the Soviet cosmonauts more than any conspirators. Although there are a lot of other arguments besides the astronauts, I gave a link on the branch, everything is chewed to the last detail. and all the "arguments" of the witnesses of the "sect of the lunar conspiracy" and their refutation are given. True, there are a lot of bukoff in the article, but conspiratorians should be read. Although, most likely, they still will not believe. How is it - so many years it was for him axiom, and here it is on you ... Cognitive dissonance will come.
                  1. +4
                    13 February 2017 19: 23
                    He is a specialist in journalism. feel
                    Quote: Krivbass
                    Then it is absolutely uninteresting.

                    But we are interested.
                    Quote: Krivbass
                    .Cognitive dissonance will come.

                    We will not come. smile
              2. +2
                13 February 2017 19: 43
                Quote: Krivbass
                I would like at least one confirmation of the theory of the "moon conspiracy" not from the next conspirator, but from a specialist in the space industry.

                N.V. Lebedev Memoirs of a Rocketeer
                There is a conversation between Korolev and Chelomey about the impossibility of creating a single-chamber engine with a thrust of 700-800 tons. Therefore, all subsequent Soviet RDs were two and four-chamber in a closed cycle. The Americans may have created a single-chamber taxiway, but much less traction, not able to put the declared load into orbit. Because "Saturn 5" was a flying layout. That's why they fly now on our REAL engines hi
                1. +1
                  13 February 2017 23: 09
                  Saturn-5 flew realistically. There is irrefutable evidence for that. Do not tell any of the experts about the "layout" - they will laugh. In particular, you will be ridiculed by Soviet cosmonauts. It was created under the leadership of the brilliant Werner von Braun. And today the Saturn-5 rocket It remains the most lifting, the most powerful, the heaviest and the largest of the currently created by mankind rockets that put the payload into orbit. By the way, it launched the Skylab into orbit, only in a two-stage version.
                  1. 0
                    13 February 2017 23: 17
                    Again, I recommend that you follow the link that I gave in this thread - everything is chewed to the smallest detail and on all issues.
                    1. +4
                      13 February 2017 23: 24
                      But I can give a link to the Russian portal, everything is there too. negative
                      1. +1
                        14 February 2017 09: 04
                        The difference between my source and the Russian Portal is that my science is strictly taught, and yours is cheap conspiracy. Yes, and do not forget to brand the Soviet cosmonauts who make fun of the “moon plot” as vile traitors :))) By the way, what about with corner reflectors? They are, after all, used today for experiments from the Earth.
                  2. +1
                    14 February 2017 06: 49
                    Quote: Krivbass
                    And today the Saturn-5 rocket remains the most lifting, the most powerful, the heaviest and largest of the currently created by mankind rockets that put the payload into orbit.

                    So why didn’t they use super-technologies during the construction of the ISS (they could put the entire station into orbit at a time), but assembled it in parts using Protons? belay laughing Your Americans are nonsense, and you really can’t even remove noodles from your ears fellow Oh yes ... The drawings were lost or the cleaner accidentally spoiled with matches and burned the archives wassat
                    1. +1
                      14 February 2017 09: 00
                      And what nonsense are the Soviet cosmonauts! Damned traitors :))) And von Braun is a swindler :))) Once again - follow my link, everything is chewed in detail. Even for absolute laymen in the subject and stubborn conspirators :)))
                  3. 0
                    31 March 2018 21: 09
                    There is an interesting question - why was Brown removed from the Apollo program?
                    The statement about the "remaining (!) Rocket for today (!)" Is also interesting. What kind of "loads" is she "lifting" today? Where? In the museum?
          2. +1
            13 February 2017 13: 52
            Quote: Krivbass
            How, in the post-Soviet era, was it also necessary? And why?

            Yes, people are already in old age. What for them in old age get involved in scandals with unpredictable results.
            1. 0
              13 February 2017 23: 19
              Yes, they were afraid to expose :))) Conspirologists will explain absolutely everything :)))
        2. 0
          13 February 2017 18: 40
          All Soviet people are liars, what they are told by the Central Committee of the CPSU is what they say. "Organics"
    2. 0
      13 February 2017 09: 19
      Well, the 5th generation fighter is also being worked out. Although the technology also worked out half a century ago.
      1. 0
        13 February 2017 09: 28
        How sad it is.
        1. 0
          13 February 2017 10: 19
          That's exactly "sad", we laugh at the Americans, but then ...
          For example, PAK FA ... the technology has been developed. Well, for some reason, the series is not. Constantly moving.
          Any new technique needs a test. Even if the technology is proven.
          1. 0
            31 March 2018 21: 17
            For the Apollo - no "trials" were needed.
  21. +8
    13 February 2017 08: 41
    Even if the conspiracy therapist was taken to the moon, and there to show everything, then, on his return, he would say that the special services had stabbed him with haloperidol. Otherwise, he will be expelled from the community of deniers. laughing
    1. +2
      13 February 2017 08: 55
      The article is nonsense, but what a flight of thought in comments!
      Were the Americans on the moon or not? And let's get better laughing about women!
      1. +8
        13 February 2017 10: 04
        Were the Americans on the moon or not?


        The author poses the question in a slightly different way: Is it possible for a person to fly to the moon based on technology
        mid 60's?

        It's like "Does Petrov have 10 women?" - this is one question (and this is gossip of pure water)
        But the question is can Comrade Petrov maintain close relations with the 10 women (purely physically?) - this is pure science (physiology)
        1. +3
          14 February 2017 20: 05
          Quote: Olezhek
          Is it possible to fly a man to the moon based on technology
          mid 60's?

          available.
          Otherwise, we must admit that in the USSR of that time:
          1. In the Central Committee at that time were
          2. In the Council of Ministers are the same
          3. Design Bureau (Design Bureau) Koroleva and S.P. managers and not engineers
          4: State Committee on Defense Technology and Gosplan officials were mentally retarded
          5. Chelomei and Yangel, D. Ustinov and all the employees of NII-88 = traitors or chubayatsy
          6. Mozhorin Yuri Alexandrovich dtn, employee of the Research Institute-4, Central Research Institute of Machine Tools, MIPT wasted in vain

          7. etc.
          1. 0
            15 February 2017 07: 45
            . Design Bureau (KB) Koroleva and S.P. managers and not engineers
            Chelomey and Yangel, D. Ustinov and all employees of the Research Institute-88 = traitors or chubayatsy


            They tried, but somehow they didn’t really succeed in "flying to the moon"
            Why sobsno "traitors"?
            They tried, they believed, but ... failed.

            and an unsolvable problem arose precisely with the launch vehicle ...
            1. +2
              15 February 2017 12: 26
              Quote: Olezhek
              They tried, but somehow they didn’t really succeed in "flying to the moon"

              I "tried" it with my own eyes, I saw it in my hands, and climbed "this"
              Therefore, it did not work out:
              1. Technological and industrial level
              2. Error of S.P. Korolev (that’s why he went to the Fau-2 scheme with hanging tanks, thereby increasing the tare and forcing the steps to be hot split ...., however, this again failed to “wafer” "for this size provide
              3.time was not enough (p.1)
              4. Ground stand (n.1 and n.3)
              Quote: Olezhek
              and an unsolvable problem arose precisely with the launch vehicle ...

              For some reason, my teachers (one of which is a hero of social labor, the rest "honored" themselves made the USSR missile shield) - they never spoke about this.
              and C5 disassembled by bones.
              neither during training, but in adulthood, when he came with a bottle of cognac, not before leaving for another world.
              And on 2 under the seals and receipts we looked at the pictures that our brave “cloak and dagger warriors” got and no gu-gu about the “paper version”.
              strange somehow. People whose textbooks the country studied and the 1 / 2 of the world (including the Americans) are silent, and Oleg Egorov yells about it.
              Who will homo sapiens believe? not sapiens, and especially not homo-clear
              https://topwar.ru/108981-bumazhnyy-kosmos-nasa.ht
              ml # comment-id-6640454

              Today:
              [media = http: //youtu.be/Fykyx8TYF6Q]
              clear
              Change Americans to Russian, Apollo to Gagarin, and print your article on the American site (or on a koslosayte). one result
              Conspirologists dispute even the reality of the flight of Yuri Gagarin:
              some Western journalists doubted the reality of the flight of Yuri Gagarin, because the Soviet Union refused to provide any documentary evidence. There was no camera on board the Vostok ship, the appearance of the ship itself and the launch vehicle remained classified. The story of a touchdown and getting into SKA, filming in the special hall Mosfilm, Laponny Russia, etc.
              But the U.S. authorities have never expressed doubts about the authenticity of what happened: even during the flight of the first satellites, the National Security Agency (NSA) deployed two monitoring stations in Alaska and Hawaii and installed radio equipment capable of intercepting telemetry from Soviet vehicles. During Gagarin’s flight, the stations were able to receive a television signal with the image of an astronaut transmitted by an onboard camera. Within an hour, printouts of individual frames from this broadcast were in the hands of government officials, and President John F. Kennedy congratulated the Soviet people on their outstanding achievement.

              All the same

              20 September 1963 year, speaking at the UN General Assembly, Kennedy, again referring to the idea of ​​a joint US-Soviet expedition to the moon, said:
              “Why should the first manned flight to the moon be a matter of interstate competition?

              Why does the United States and the Soviet Union, preparing such expeditions, duplicate research, design efforts and costs? I’m sure we should study whether scientists and astronauts of our two countries - and, in fact, the whole world - can work together in space exploration, sending once to the moon this decade not representatives of any one state, but representatives of all our countries ” .

              Harvey and Ciccoritti, op. cit., p. 127.
              The Washington Post, September 24, 1963.
              The Wall Street Journal, Editorial, October 29, 1963.
              US Congress, Senate, Congressional Record, October 2, 1963, p. 17 598.
              Olin Teague, Letter to the President, September 23, 1963. Quoted in Ibid., Pp. 128, 129.
              Letter from Albert Thomas to the President (signed only “Thomas”), September 21, 1963. NSF, Box 308, JFK Library. Quoted in Logsdon, To the Moon Together ?, op. cit., pp. 34, 35.
              US Congress, House, Congressional Record, October 3, 1963, p. 17 666. Quoted from Harvey and Ciccoritti, op. cit., p. 129.
              New York Times, October 28, 1963; US Congress, Senate, Congressional Record, November 6, 1963, p. 20140.
              Letter from John F. Kennedy to Representative Albert Thomas, September 23, 1963.
              etc.
              Quote: Olezhek
              Why sobsno "traitors"?

              because people with such an education, such a brain, experience, resources, have long understood
              Quote: Olezhek
              This does not happen. At the level of technology 60's (in fact, post-war)

              as understood in 2017 Oleg Egorov yells about this.!
              So they deliberately spent national money, resources on the "bubble", thereby reducing the level of defense of the homeland and profounding the labor of their citizens
  22. +2
    13 February 2017 08: 55
    Even without N-1, we had a lunar program. At the Baumanka base near Moscow, the landing module stands. Guaranteed to fall, by the way, during landing. Therefore, they sent two. A volunteer astronaut (Aleksei Arkhipovich) crawled out of the overturned module. rode on the Lunokhod to the second module, took pictures and flew away. The probability of a successful outcome is 30%. Therefore, no one was sent anywhere.
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 11: 57
      Quote: sergo1914
      Without H-1, we had a lunar program. At the Baumanka base near Moscow, the landing module stands.

      I saw him in 1983. Only you don’t agree - the N-1 tests were never completed. And there were a lot of problems on the ship.
      Before the completion of the N-1 tests, the Americans had already visited the Moon, our program of money required a lot, to save, and covered the program. And not only this one. Also in the military space in the 70s, they mercilessly cut everything ...
      1. +3
        13 February 2017 12: 05
        The Americans had already visited the moon before completing the H-1 tests,


        They have mastered a unique, "march-free" technology ....
        1. +6
          13 February 2017 12: 21
          here's the problem - then, read "dunno on the moon", it’s described the technology without marching,
    2. +3
      14 February 2017 20: 13
      Quote: sergo1914
      Without H-1, we had a lunar program. At the Baumanka base near Moscow, the landing module stands.

      1. On the Dmitrovsky training ground there is a "" model (weight and overall) which is structurally similar to serial models designed for space flights.

      like the Americans LTA-1 (Lunar Test Article 1) at the Cradle Of Aviation Museum


      they also had full-scale models of the lunar module (the so-called Mock-Up's: M-1, M-5, TM-1).
      2. 11F94 just from H-1
      3. modules 7K, 9К and 11К in my opinion were not exhibited in Dmitrov. LK Chelomea the same

      4. "Constantly" they did not fall.
  23. +2
    13 February 2017 09: 00
    It would be better if they investigated the question why they flew six times, and, suddenly, stopped, and why, for falsification, you need to fly six times. It would be enough once.
    1. +8
      13 February 2017 11: 13
      Quote: fider
      It would be better if they investigated the question why they flew six times, and, suddenly, stopped, and why, for falsification, you need to fly six times. It would be enough once.

      What do you mean why? For fidelity, they flew six times! They thought otherwise they wouldn’t believe, on one occasion! And you answer - Why did they stop flying there, since they flew so much? Why did you lose all the technologies you have acquired? Why can't they repeat the same thing after 50 years ?! And laughter, and sin!))
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 23: 31
        But the answer is simple - this program was done to a large extent for prestige and cost crazy money. By and large, there’s nothing more to do on the moon. They took advantage of it, fixed it, installed corner reflectors (by the way, what about them - after all, experiments from Earth and today they are being carried out with them?), they brought in regolith. Everything, then there is no practical sense in incurring huge expenses. And by the way, why did you need the accident on Apollo 13? After all, they not only didn’t reach, but with great difficulty returned to Earth . Such a "re-enactment" is not at all clear.
  24. +4
    13 February 2017 09: 02
    For adherents of the sect "Americans fly to the moon", witnesses to the "waving flag", etc., as well as to the author myself - do not be lazy, read this article here and calm down once -
    http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moonhoax.htm
  25. +8
    13 February 2017 09: 11
    I did not expect such conspiracy from VO. Absolutely you, the editors, have slipped into jaundice ... Ugh!
    1. +3
      13 February 2017 09: 24
      Is this the first time? A flight to the moon is refuted about three times a year. laughing But in general, there were more refutations than flights. laughing
      1. +2
        13 February 2017 11: 16
        once a week, a regular sheet with another theory is stably. This is already systemic.
    2. +1
      13 February 2017 18: 44
      This is not the editors who have rolled down ... These are readers of different levels ... and there are too many transcendental lovers. Intellectual debauchery is contagious!
  26. +1
    13 February 2017 09: 21
    As it is already tired - maybe they dig something new.
    And even for several generations, the zhurnalyug has been feeding on the same thing - "yeti", UFOs, aliens, Atlanteans, Dyatlov Pass, landing on the moon, etc.
    They have already wiped it up to the holes - and the grandmas continue to raise it.
    There were Americans on the moon! - And ours (and many radio amateurs and astronomers around the world) saw all this perfectly and controlled radio exchange and telemetry.
    1. +4
      13 February 2017 09: 47
      Quote: Nikkola Mac
      There were Americans on the moon!

      Were not!
      Quote: Nikkola Mac
      and ours (and many radio amateurs and astronomers all over the world) saw all this perfectly and controlled radio exchange and telemetry.

      This is how Michman replies that they were, then I will believe. negative
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 09: 51
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        This is how Michman replies that they were, then I will believe.

        asked Yuri Grigorievich to comment ... wait ...
        1. +2
          13 February 2017 09: 56
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          asked Yuri Grigorievich to comment ... wait ...

          Thank. And then I like that ... scary ... soldier
      2. +1
        13 February 2017 10: 00
        what were, then I will believe.

        Faith is a good thing - now everyone abruptly began to believe in God.
        But who now believes (in his mind and memory) that the Earth stands on elephants, whales and in the center of the universe?
        1. +4
          13 February 2017 10: 05
          Quote: Nikkola Mac
          But who now believes (in his mind and memory) that the Earth stands on elephants, whales and in the center of the universe?

          Why did it happen? Everyone knows that the Earth has the form of a humodan. negative But Chubais can turn off the Sun, only he is shy. laughing
          1. +1
            13 February 2017 10: 09
            Everyone knows that the Earth has the form of a humodan.

            Well, at least a suitcase without a handle, otherwise Chubais would have privatized it already.
            1. +2
              13 February 2017 10: 15
              Quote: Nikkola Mac
              Well, at least a suitcase without a handle, otherwise Chubais would have privatized it already.

              But didn’t Chubais grab a pen?
              1. 0
                13 February 2017 10: 20
                No, he was just called to another "cutting front" - the "chief nanotechnologist."
    2. +2
      13 February 2017 10: 48
      There were Americans on the moon!


      Well, I agree, they were. fellow

      But the question is different: was a man’s flight to the moon possible based on technology from the mid-60’s?
      Agree, this is a completely different issue.
      1. 0
        13 February 2017 13: 15
        And if you think? wink
  27. +7
    13 February 2017 09: 33
    Dear moderators !!!
    Please do not allow such nonsense on the site. Have respect for us and for yourself.
    1. +5
      13 February 2017 10: 32
      You are evil, unkind! am
      The author has prepared two completely unique articles: “Dallas Ballistics” and “Loch Ness Hydrodynamics”. With calculations, drawings and diagrams ... The work of my whole life flowed to say ...
      But because of people like you, the world will lose them forever ... request
  28. +4
    13 February 2017 09: 40
    Quote: Krivbass
    I did not expect such conspiracy from VO. Absolutely you, the editors, have slipped into jaundice ... Ugh!


    At my place ... in Ukraine .., under the Israeli flag ...
    "Here are laid out completely different opinions-articles of visitors to the site, as well as articles from other sites for discussion. The site administration on this news may have an opinion that is different from the opinion of the authors of the materials."
    What is not clear?
    1. +4
      13 February 2017 10: 19
      It is not clear why lay out explicit conspiratorial nonsense.
      1. +3
        13 February 2017 13: 01
        Quote: Krivbass
        It is not clear why lay out explicit conspiratorial nonsense.

        Refute this nonsense. negative Facts. The request of Brad Pitt not to attract.
        1. +1
          13 February 2017 13: 32
          I already gave a link a little higher. With facts and explanations. Even for absolute laymen in the subject.
          1. 0
            13 February 2017 13: 33
            Brad Pitt is not involved.
            1. +1
              13 February 2017 15: 31
              Brad Pitt is not involved.


              then I won’t look ...
              1. 0
                13 February 2017 18: 00
                I thought so :)))
  29. +17
    13 February 2017 09: 54
    No comrades gentlemen laughing the Americans weren’t singing on the moon. The same creatures dug up the Black Sea.
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 10: 00
      but generally funny .. no one saw anything, they know by hearsay, but are ready to fight ... laughing
  30. +2
    13 February 2017 10: 24
    Quote: Olgovich
    to all the author’s arguments, I note that thousands of people, including astronauts, should have participated in the “falsifications”. For 50 years, it would certainly have "leaked" from the make-up artist, stuntman, etc. This did not happen, although this person would have got rich.
    I think that the Americans were on the moon.

    Now we can’t fly, and then they managed to bullshit. Hollywood works with the CIA and the FBI. there, people bought or intimidated are not a union where something sober on the mind of a drunk on the tongue of which, according to piz ... we love.
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 19: 06
      And after all, what Western bastards - even Belyaev and Grechko bought. They asked them, and they brazenly so - they say all the talk about the "moon conspiracy" is conspiracy theories. We must condemn them together, traitors unscrupulous!
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  31. +4
    13 February 2017 10: 33
    Cool written THANKS Oleg !!! Ironically ... Ostap would have liked it for sure ...
    Well, deceived everyone and yourself, but in the end what? A critical gap in missile systems ...
  32. +3
    13 February 2017 11: 04
    A lot of speech, half of the article, this is a transfusion from empty to empty and the desire to decorate with eloquent expressions ... As a result, very little has been written on the topic of the article ...
    1. 0
      31 March 2018 21: 48
      Features aglitsky mova ... The main thing - "send a signal."
  33. +3
    13 February 2017 11: 14
    Shaw, again?
    It seems to me that these conspirators are climbing into the world ..
  34. +3
    13 February 2017 11: 17
    Somehow I read Armstrong's biography. Using several examples from his youth, the author proved Armstrong's exceptional honesty and decency. Apparently this is the case, but how else to explain that after his return from the moon, he locked himself on his ranch and did not give a single interview to the end of his life, nor met with any journalist.
    1. 0
      13 February 2017 11: 49
      Quote: Jurkovs
      after his return from the moon, he locked himself on his ranch and did not give a single interview until the end of his life, nor met with any journalist.

      ... I suspect why he did it ...
      1. +3
        13 February 2017 12: 25
        he is a misanthrope, why suspect something
    2. +1
      13 February 2017 14: 40
      So, he had a conscience, and did not want to lie anymore, that all these "flights" were an ordinary show.
      1. +2
        13 February 2017 18: 12
        well, maybe he didn’t want, not the right word, he couldn’t, because he was thinking
  35. +6
    13 February 2017 11: 26
    Write the following article on the topic: Airplanes can’t fly, because they don’t flap their wings (science has proved that airplanes are a lie to ordinary people). Or: Metal ships cannot sail (science has proven that the density of steel is much higher than water, therefore steel ships are deceiving the townsfolk).
    1. +2
      13 February 2017 20: 35
      Quote: mar4047083
      Airplanes cannot fly, because they don’t wave their wings

      And also it is impossible to ride a two-wheeled bicycle. An unstable panimash system ... Three wheels are needed.
  36. +4
    13 February 2017 11: 27
    "The author, not being a specialist in nuclear physics, leaves the Van Allen belt problem aside."
    the author, not being a specialist at all in anything, could ask what Van Allen himself spoke about these belts.
  37. +3
    13 February 2017 11: 45
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    And this tells me a person who has no idea that our stations mined lunar soil? To school!

    There was infa on TV, our sample does not match the American model. Our explained that the Americans gave the USSR a different soil (not lunar)
    1. +5
      13 February 2017 12: 22
      Quote: vnord
      There was infa on TV, our sample does not match the American model. Our explained that the Americans gave the USSR a different soil (not lunar)

      On TV (especially on TVC), they’ll say something wrong
      Transfer of soil A-16 and A-17 to the USSR (this fact is "unknown" to Mukhin and various other Khomam.)

      "In 1973 we finished our major sample exchange commitment with the transmittal of Apollo 17 material to the Soviets. In the future, we expect to receive from them samples from any additional USSR lunar sample return flights, and both sides may ... "(" Hearings, reports and prints of the House Committee on Science and ... - Parts 3-4 ". Page 501," NASA authorization for fiscal year 1975: hearings, Ninety-third Congress, second session, on S. 2955. Page 938)
      Translate
      in 1973, the transfer of lunar soil samples A-17 completed the exchange of samples with the USSR.

      It is clear that the information coming from NASA will immediately be declared fake. I will say that this information is considered not only by NASA, but also by the Committee on Science of the US House of Representatives. Although the conspiracy can be blamed not only on NASA, but also on the House of Representatives. Therefore, we turn to the British, and at the same time we find out the date of transfer of the soil:

      “On March 16 the US delivered rock and soil samples from Apollo 16 and 17 to the USSR in exchange for lunar samples earlier ...” (“Britannica Book of the Year” Encyclopaedia Britannica, Incorporated - 1974. Page 106)

      It says that the Americans transferred the lunar soil samples A-16 and A-17 16 in March in exchange for the Soviet lunar soil obtained earlier. This is written in the British Encyclopedia Yearbook for the 1974 year on the 106 page.

      And here is the most detailed soil exchange information provided by NASA:
      March 16 1973 year.
      Exchange of lunar soil samples obtained by Apollo 16 and 17 with the USSR.
      Samples of soil and stones from the landing sites in the area of ​​Descartes craters and the Taurus-Litrov valley were transferred today to two representatives of the Academy of Sciences of the Soviet Union. These lunar samples were collected by American astronauts during the Apollo 16 and 17 missions in the 1972 year.
      The transfer of three grams of samples of each mission was made by Dr. Paul Gast, the head of one of the divisions of the Lyndon Johnson Space Center. Samples were taken by Vladimir Shcherbina and Lev Tarasov from the Vernadsky Institute of the USSR Academy of Sciences.
      The curator of the lunar samples of the Space Center, Dr. Michael Duke, said that the samples handed over to the Soviet representatives represent the widest range of soils and various rocks collected by Apollo 16 and 17.
      The exchange of samples obtained by lunar missions is part of the agreement reached by the two countries in the joint study of lunar material. Representatives of the USSR also previously received samples collected during the Apollo 11, 12, 14 and 15 missions. "The United States received samples brought by the Moon stations 16 and 20 from the Sea of ​​Plenty."





      From the diaries of Kamanin (Soviet pilot, one of the first Heroes of the Soviet Union (for participating in the salvation of the Chelyuskins). In the 60 years, General N.P. Kamanin led the Cosmonaut Training Center)

      1969 year
      1 September.
      After a brilliant expedition to the moon of American astronauts in July of this year and a whole series of our failures with lunar assault rifles and the H-1 rocket, no conclusions were drawn.
      I thought a lot about the reasons for the loss of our leadership in space. Naturally, our lag behind America was not immediately apparent. From 1957 to 1964, we were the foremost space power in the world. But the first acquaintance with the American space research program in 1961 – 1962 and the comparison of this program with the state of affairs was alarming: there were fears that the United States would quickly catch up with the USSR. The success of the Gemini program placed America next to us, and the first flights of the Apollo series propelled the United States forward. During this period, many of our scientists, designers and some of the astronauts still believed in the success of flights L-1, L-3 and lunar automata. Only a very small group of people, including myself, realized that we lost the “battle for space” already at the first launch of Saturn-5. After the Apollo 8 flight, our defeat became apparent to everyone. The brilliant Apollo 11 flight, contrasting with the two explosions of our most powerful H-1 rocket, irrefutably proved that we are 4-5 years behind the US. It is painful to admit this sad fact, but it is even more painful to realize that they are trying to mask our defeat and are doing little to prevent our further lag.
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 15: 00
        1
        The success of the Gemini program puts America next to us


        There, too, "not everything was clear" ....

        2
        Apollo series flights push US forward


        If they really took place, then yes ...

        3 Well, the "miracle of the American engineering Shuttle" finally showed Who is who ...
        and hto the owner of the house.
        1. +1
          13 February 2017 19: 22
          Yes, “Shuttles” also did not fly anywhere, they are tighter from Hollywood :)))
    2. +2
      13 February 2017 19: 39
      Quote: vnord
      Our explained that the Americans gave the USSR a different soil (not lunar)

      What are yours ??? laughing Mukhinsky? wassat
      1. +4
        13 February 2017 19: 49
        Quote: Bayonet
        What are yours ??? Mukhinsky?

        And you ask the Dutch. They generally slipped a tree. Oak. No.
  38. +1
    13 February 2017 11: 48
    Quote: inkass_98
    and in it there was docking / undocking in orbit of ships with different types of locking, also not an easy task. And the type of atmosphere used was different. Well this is not an argument

    Well, yes, but they forgot that a common docking system was created!
  39. kig
    +1
    13 February 2017 12: 24
    Skoka letters written ... and most importantly, why? This has already been written many times. Want to check in?
  40. +1
    13 February 2017 12: 35
    In itself, the flight of people to the moon, and even as many as six times, makes no sense.
    The surface of the moon is a completely lifeless dead desert. What do people do there?
    There is no atmosphere, a high degree of radiation.
    Technically, such a flight was impossible neither then nor now.
    1. +8
      13 February 2017 13: 06
      Quote: pussamussa
      In itself, the flight of people to the moon, and even as many as six times, makes no sense.

      Does traveling around the globe make sense? non-stop flight around the earth?
      The astronauts are on the ISS (they only interfere there: pooping, breathing, stirring, vibration, asking for food and drink), especially for long periods.

      And this?

      on garbage?

      Quote: pussamussa
      The surface of the moon is a completely lifeless dead desert. What do people do there?

      see above
      Quote: pussamussa
      There is no atmosphere, a high degree of radiation.

      1. The absence of the atmosphere is both "+" and "-" for such an operation
      2. Tell about turtles about radiation.

      21 of September 1968 of the year, the Zonda-5 descent vehicle entered the Earth’s atmosphere along a ballistic trajectory and splashed into the Indian Ocean.
      When the sailors from the Soviet ship were preparing the descent vehicle for lifting to the deck, they heard that something was rustling inside the device, and then there was a sound of a blow. Again, rustling and blow again ... It was assumed that the device, apparently, was equipped with a self-liquidator. Work was suspended until it contacted scientists working with the 5 Probe.
      From them, the sailors learned that the turtles were rustling, which were placed as experimental animals in the test compartment. The descent vehicle was lifted aboard the Soviet expeditionary oceanographic vessel Vasily Golovin and on October 3 of the 1968 of the year was delivered to Bombay, from where it was sent by plane to Moscow. The turtles were removed from the descent vehicle in Moscow, at the TsKBEM workshop, and handed over to scientists. The flight was transferred normally by the turtles, but according to some reports, one of them crawled out of the eye’s orbit due to an overload that reached 20 units upon landing.
      After returning to Earth, turtles were active - they moved a lot, ate with appetite. During the experiment, they lost about 10% in weight. A blood test did not reveal any significant differences in these animals, compared with the control. “Probe-5” for the first time in the world made a flyby of the Moon and, after 7 days after the start, returned to Earth, entering the atmosphere at a second cosmic velocity.


      and the "ghost of a polytechnic" (flew on the Cosmos-368 satellite)


      Quote: pussamussa
      Technically, such a flight was impossible neither then nor now.

      So Korolev, his team, Kamaev - fooled the head of the Central Committee of the CPSU, cutting all the Soviet people money for the project N-1 ("Lunar program of the USSR")?

      And Keldysh (President of the USSR Academy of Sciences, by the way) was a complete "deer"?

      And Mukhin, Velor and co (other "pseudo-homo") are much taller than him?
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 14: 13
        Quote: opus
        Does traveling around the globe make sense? non-stop flight around the earth?

        Around the earth makes sense. Moreover, for an amateur enthusiast.
        Quote: opus

        "The lunar program of the USSR")?

        Where are the results of this program?

        Keldysh and others supported what was determined from above and did the right thing, since they did not have real information.
        1. +2
          14 February 2017 21: 30
          Quote: pussamussa
          Around the earth makes sense. Moreover, for an amateur enthusiast.

          And “around the moon” and “to the moon” didn’t make sense for the “lowered” Americans, twice moreover:
          4 October 1957 year and 12 April 1961 year ?????????????????
          and for us NOW the Moon, Mars, Venus doesn’t "make sense"?
          Quote: pussamussa
          Where are the results of this program?

          suit "Krechet" and his children, grandchildren.
          -the best system on planet Earth Zh0PA (life support of manned vehicles) -ADMINS DO NOT BAN ME, so it is called "where necessary")
          -Best radio measuring systems in the world (up to 1995)
          -the cheapest in the world NK-33, and almost the best in the world
          project N1F - L3М, hope is not lost
          -RN "Energy"
          -RD-180, which prevented Energomash from bending
          - etc. (can be whipped for a long time)
          Quote: pussamussa
          Keldysh and others supported what was determined from above

          Did you know Keldysh? Personally?
          What he did not support: the Gulag, Jewish persecution, persecution of genetics, cybernetics, and other "approvals"
          THREE HERE to the hero of the Soviet Union it’s difficult to specify where to “lick”, homo sapiens, the same thing ... however, you don’t understand this
          1. 0
            15 February 2017 07: 40
            Did you know Keldysh? Personally?
            What he did not support: the Gulag, Jewish persecution, persecution of genetics, cybernetics, and other "approvals"


            Listen, we are somehow sliding smoothly from the topic of the sufficiency level of 60's technology for a reliable and trouble-free flight to the Moon, on the topic of the honesty of individual space functionaries.
            And talking about the "honesty" of a high-ranking official is a rather strange occupation.
            In the end, there are "state interests", here someone said that "Putin is deceiving him ...
            There "above" are slightly different concepts about "what is good and what is bad ..."


            a reference to authority, it is something like:
            "Aristotle would say about this ... a lot of good." J.B. Moliere "Doctor involuntarily"

            And now let's discuss Aristotle
            .
            That is, from the topic of the technical level of 60's astronautics, we smoothly moved on the topic of decency of Mstislav Vsevolodovich Keldysh ...

            this is strange ... belay
            1. +2
              15 February 2017 11: 53
              Quote: Olezhek
              That is, from the topic of the technical level of 60's astronautics, we smoothly moved on the topic of decency of Mstislav Vsevolodovich Keldysh ..

              I haven’t crawled anywhere, you are confusing something.
              You use to confirm your paper version:
              Quote: Olezhek
              "Flight over the cuckoo's nest"
              +
              Quote: Olezhek
              Although Ostap Ibrahimovic would certainly appreciate the project.
              + etc.
              1. I am ready to discuss the technical level of astronautics / astronautics ... but with whom? and at what level?
              heat flow to the engine wall?
              analysis of program code on algol, what is written for "apolon"?
              simulated zero gravity NASA for training on the lunar program?
              manufacturing technology of the Saturn launch vehicle and tanks?
              shoals that ruined our lunar program?
              ...
              Let's

              2. Keldysh, Aristotle, this is the subject of a conspiracy in the Soviet government, the Central Committee of the society, recognize the fake of the Americans.
              You claim that Keldysh (and the rest: Korolev, Leonov, Ustinov, Podogrny) was bought.
              I say that this is nonsense and not ethical.
              God and history will judge us

              Quote: Olezhek
              this is strange ...

              first project "strange" on yourself, and then we'll talk
              1. +1
                15 February 2017 12: 44
                I am ready to discuss the technical level of astronautics / astronautics ... but with whom? and at what level?


                Well, then, in what year did the USA overtake the USSR in the field of manned space exploration?

                What did this overtaking result in in the 70 / 80 years?

                I would easily believe in American leadership in space if it were continuous (and growing! Which is logical!), And not one-time.
                The shuttle somehow didn’t work for them ...

                If you remove from consideration the "magic" Apollo program, then where is their leadership?

                and individual small technical details can be discussed endlessly.
                1. +2
                  15 February 2017 18: 04
                  Quote: Olezhek
                  Well, then, in what year did the USA overtake the USSR in the field of manned space exploration?

                  What do you mean by "manned"?
                  the number of people per launch vehicle in orbit? number of manned launches? number of turns? criterion?



                  Quote: Olezhek
                  What did this overtaking result in in the 70 / 80 years?

                  38. 11.04.1970 Apollo-13 / Moon
                  39. 01.06.1970 Union- 9


                  1971
                  40. 31.01.1971 Apollo-14 / Moon
                  41. 22.04.1971 Union-10 / Salute
                  42. 06.06.1971 Union-11 / Salute
                  43. 26.07.1971 Apollo-15 / Moon

                  1972
                  44. 16.04.1972 Apollo-16 / Moon
                  45. 07.12.1972 Apollo-17 / Moon
                  Which 70 to take?
                  1973?
                  The first American orbital space station is Skylab.
                  Cosmonauts of the USSR - 29 (+ 4 per year); Manned flights of the USSR - 20 (+ 2 per year)
                  US astronauts - 41 (+ 7 per year); US Manned Flights - 28 (+ 3 per year)
                  Total astronauts and astronauts - 70 (+ 11 per year)
                  Total manned flights - 48 (+ 5 per year)
                  Record of flight duration = 2017 h 16 min. (84 days 1 hours 16 minutes)
                  2,3,4 Skylab Provided with Saturn IB Live Cargo

                  In the "70" USA engaged

                  What led in xnumx to


                  Quote: Olezhek
                  then where is their leadership?

                  in flights to Mars (it will be closer to Venus, and "easier") Pioneers and Voyagers, about the Shuttle

                  the Cheops pyramid in Ancient Egypt, to the Greek historian Herodotus during his visit to Egypt in 450 BC. e. reported that it was created by the hard work of 400 000 people.


                  In the 1966 year, the number of NASA employees increased to 36000, a very significant leap forward from the 1960 year when it reached 10 000 people.
                  At the beginning of the manned lunar program, NASA management decided that it would most effectively rely on external researchers, universities and private enterprises to carry out most of the work.
                  As a result, the total number of people employed in these three categories and working on the Apollo project increased from 36 500 in 1960 to an impressive number of 376 700 in 1965 year.
                  more than 500 Apollo contractors
                  +
                  project management methods by Webb and Air Force Major General Samuel Philips (thanks to which the third ICBM “Minuteman” was put into service on time, and the costs of its creation did not exceed the stipulated level)
                  +
                  George Muller’s memorandum in November 1963, where he demanded to shorten the entire Saturn test program, abandoning the gradually increasing test in favor of an alternative “integrated” approach. This meant that the Saturn-5 lunar rocket would make its first flight with all three of its stages “live”, without a preliminary test of each stage separately.
                  Quote: Olezhek
                  minor technical

                  not even "small"!
                  The number of technical details of the project was reflected in the size of the written manual, which was gigantic. and weighed 113 kg.
      2. +1
        13 February 2017 18: 35
        after returning to Earth, turtles were active - they moved a lot, ate with appetite


        Yeah, you forgot to say about the high resistance of turtles to radiation ...

        And Mukhin, Velor and co (other "pseudo-homo") are much taller than him?


        They did not give a subscription ...
        1. +2
          14 February 2017 22: 29
          Quote: Olezhek
          Yeah, you still forgot to say about the high resistance of turtles to radiation ..

          ?
          distort again
          The tortoise is not a “radioresistant organism”.
          This is not a Red Cockroach and Amoeba, and even (oh my God) not a Goldfish.
          Turtle - 15 (LD50 / 30 days), and the man 4,5 LD50 / 30? (and this data is 1973-1976)
          and on LD there is a logarithmic scale
          cockroach, for example -64 (LD50 / 30 days).

          Quote: Olezhek
          They did not give a subscription.

          Yasen Stump is a fictional character-fake. Which subscription?
      3. +3
        13 February 2017 20: 39
        Dear Opus, two questions

        1 Could Keldysh write this congratulation solely on his own initiative?
        2 Could he refuse to write it, if there was an indication "from above"

        Do you remember the USSR?
        1. +2
          14 February 2017 21: 33
          Quote: Olezhek
          1 Could Keldysh write this congratulation solely on his own initiative?
          2 Could he refuse to write it, if there was an indication "from above"


          repeat
          Quote: opus
          Did you know Keldysh? Personally?
          What he did not support: the Gulag, Jewish persecution, persecution of genetics, cybernetics, and other "approvals"
          THREE HERE to the hero of the Soviet Union it’s difficult to specify where to “lick”, homo sapiens, the same thing ... however, you don’t understand this


          Quote: Olezhek
          Do you remember the USSR?

          Isho how. and he taught with the KGB and with the OBHSS.
          So I know what I'm talking about.
          molds could order, pressure, etc.
          homo sapiens, and even such a megamind (on which MUCH depended) - the mind of the Komsyuks was enough, not to spoil yourself
    2. 0
      13 February 2017 16: 41
      It was technically implemented then, and now it will be all the more so, only now no one will give money for it - since there are none.
    3. 0
      31 March 2018 22: 03
      Radiation illuminates any film, especially as “sensitive” as Apollo (where stars are not observed). . The astronauts did not observe anything like this. From the word at all. Judging by the excellent photos from NASA - there should not be any river radiation on the American Moon.
  41. +4
    13 February 2017 13: 07
    Bold is such a plus article!
  42. +3
    13 February 2017 13: 26
    Thanks to the author for the article!
  43. +1
    13 February 2017 13: 53
    Everything is a complete lie and provocation, a complete agreement, you say the first in space, and We are the first on the Moon. Whoever makes the first rocket that reaches the Moon will be the Lunatic. And then everything is simple, casting a moon on the Moon A radio transmitter with tape recording of negotiations and Olya Olya - a signal from the moon! Talks are even easier to record with interruptions of 10 ..... sec for inserting a question from NASA, who invented answering machines, "after the signals pee-pee tell your information!" And who does not believe the American flag in your hands or watch their own movie "Capricorn-1."
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 23: 41
      Moreover, no one has ever flown into space at all. It’s just that the USA and the USSR agreed among themselves and that’s all. And all the astronauts and astronauts were bought :))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))
  44. +1
    13 February 2017 15: 22
    Why argue ?! For example, I also do not really believe that we have been on the moon. Although I do not exclude the option that it may have flown, but one way .... as a version. But everything can be proved when, even with new technology, our people will visit the Moon and see / do not see (underline) the traces of their stay, including the flag, their lunar tractor and the launch pad from which their lunar module took off ... For our Lunokhods, there they stand and their landing places everyone knows ... somehow
  45. +5
    13 February 2017 15: 40
    The article is a blizzard .. I don’t even want to sift through the items.
    Who cares about 8000 photos of lunar missions.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchiv
    e

    https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2009/09/05_a_325609
    6.shtml Traces on the moon.
    https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia
    /lroimages/LROMoonImages_archive_1.html
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 20: 37
      The article is a blizzard .. I don’t even want to sift through the items.


      Sobsno you have already answered all your questions with your powerful post ...
  46. +2
    13 February 2017 15: 53
    There were, weren’t, I don’t know, but one thing is very interesting: with existing photo technologies, a matchbox can be viewed from space, but no one has ever removed the landing site on the moon, and if there are such images, then everything is blurry. Images from Mars are much clearer than images of the Moon. Many have already paid attention to this, as if there was some kind of taboo.
    1. +3
      13 February 2017 16: 21
      Firstly, there is no need to so thoroughly photograph the surface of the Moon - the Earth is being photographed on the basis of reconnaissance and economic and industrial activities, and secondly - here you have pictures. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apoll
      o-11.html
      http://www.membrana.ru/particle/16708
  47. +6
    13 February 2017 15: 58
    Nah yes. Survived. Here is the level. At this rate, we will soon come to the negation of the heliocentric system. It seems to be a healthy resource, and such opuses appear. Author, next time write an essay article. Then at least internal contradictions and inconsistencies in the work will be artistically justified.
    I don’t see the point of opposing or debunking the author’s opinion, since there is nothing besides, in fact, opinion. Nobody canceled the freedom to err. However, if a person is mistaken so sincerely and selflessly, then one can only envy: happiness, they say, in ignorance.
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 18: 33
      At this rate, we will soon come to the negation of the heliocentric system.


      Or, even worse, to deny the goodness of the liberal model of the economy ... sad
      1. +2
        13 February 2017 23: 45
        And what is the liberal economy here? :))) Or is it all that you found to answer a specific link? By the way, my link, as I understand it, you decided not to read from the principle? :)))
    2. +2
      13 February 2017 19: 29
      Quote: Klaus
      Nah yes. Survived. Here is the level. At this rate, we will soon come to the negation of the heliocentric system.

      Obscurantism and illiteracy, these are our main enemies!
    3. +2
      13 February 2017 20: 41
      Quote: Klaus
      we get to the negation of the heliocentric system

      Well, cho - crystal celestial spheres - is also an interesting topic.
  48. +3
    13 February 2017 16: 10
    I also want to add - the question in the article is “Is it possible to fly to the moon based on technology from the mid-60s?” And if, by analogy, I ask “Is it possible for the Portuguese on wooden (!!!) longboats with shaking (!!!) with sails in the 14-15th centuries (!!!) successfully travel across the Atlantic Ocean (!!!), discover islands and after all this return home? !!! "
    1. +1
      13 February 2017 18: 32
      "Is it possible for the Portuguese on wooden (!!!) longboats with rag (!!!) sails in the 14-15 centuries (!!!) to successfully travel the Atlantic Ocean (!!!), discover islands


      The Portuguese had a high degree of "repeatability of the experiment" however ...
  49. +2
    13 February 2017 16: 17
    Judging by the photograph of the hill in the background - it should be 100 to 150 meters high, where did they take such a giant pavilion - which no one noticed?
    1. +4
      13 February 2017 18: 54
      What are you? It is painted on a piece of old canvas, as well as the hearth in Papa Carlo’s closet!
    2. +2
      13 February 2017 22: 20
      I’m not quite an astronaut when I don’t drink, but on what crest is the umbrella to which top? Earth that there is always at its zenith? There are only two interesting objects on this gravitsap, these are two balloons from the back. Probably with a mad horse whiskey.
  50. +2
    13 February 2017 16: 38
    Quote: Krivbass
    For adherents of the sect "Americans fly to the moon", witnesses to the "waving flag", etc., as well as to the author myself - do not be lazy, read this article here and calm down once -
    http://www.skeptik.neoonhoax.htm
    Why is the link not to material from our VO?
  51. +5
    13 February 2017 16: 40
    The USSR did not want to turn space exploration into a topic for an unlimited propaganda war with the United States. This was the period of achieving parity, the division of the world into spheres of influence in Helsinki, a joint flight, and so on.
    It is impossible to believe that in 1969-1972 people flew to the moon, but today, for some reason they don’t do this.
  52. 0
    13 February 2017 17: 05
    Supporters of American flights explain how to technically fly to the moon and back. To start from Earth, a multi-stage carrier rocket with powerful engines and a large fuel supply is needed. Let's say such a rocket launched a spacecraft into near-Earth orbit. Let’s say this ship flew to the surface of the moon. What will specifically lunar on the surface of the moon? Parachute lander? But in addition to the descent vehicle, a launch vehicle with powerful engines and a large amount of fuel is also needed for a return take-off from the moon. The landing on the moon will be tough enough, a fuel explosion will occur and the ship will disappear. If there is a shuttle, then how to pilot it in the absence of atmosphere and low attraction? Let's say such a shuttle descends to the moon. How to fly back? Technically, such a flight is impossible.
    1. +3
      13 February 2017 19: 20
      Quote: pussamussa
      Supporters of American flights explain how to technically fly to the moon and back. To start from Earth, a multi-stage carrier rocket with powerful engines and a large fuel supply is needed. Let's say such a rocket launched a spacecraft into near-Earth orbit. Let’s say this ship flew to the surface of the moon. What will specifically lunar on the surface of the moon? Parachute lander? But in addition to the descent vehicle, a launch vehicle with powerful engines and a large amount of fuel is also needed for a return take-off from the moon. The landing on the moon will be tough enough, a fuel explosion will occur and the ship will disappear. If there is a shuttle, then how to pilot it in the absence of atmosphere and low attraction? Let's say such a shuttle descends to the moon. How to fly back? Technically, such a flight is impossible.

      SUPER !!! laughing laughing laughing tongue
    2. +3
      14 February 2017 21: 37
      Quote: pussamussa
      Supporters of American flights, explain how to technically fly to the Moon and back. To launch from Earth, a multi-stage launch vehicle with powerful engines and a large supply of fuel is required. Let's say such a rocket launched a spaceship into low-Earth orbit. Let's say this ship reaches the surface of the Moon. What exactly will land on the surface of the Moon? Descent vehicle with parachutes?

      I recommend: City Psychiatric Hospital of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker on Pryazhka, St. Petersburg

      Damn... I didn’t even think that the metastases had gone so far

      These are the kind of students you can sometimes meet at MEPhI
      1. 0
        15 February 2017 09: 23
        Quote: opus
        I recommend: City Psychiatric Hospital of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker on Pryazhka, St. Petersburg

        You just came from there. The treatment did not benefit you. It is necessary to repeat the course of treatment.
        1. +2
          15 February 2017 11: 57
          Quote: pussamussa
          . It is necessary to repeat the course of treatment.

          You know better
          Quote: pussamussa
          What exactly will land on the surface of the Moon? Descent vehicle with parachutes?

          Quote: pussamussa
          a launch vehicle with powerful engines and a large volume of fuel is also needed for take-off from the Moon.

          Quote: pussamussa
          The landing on the Moon will be quite hard, a fuel explosion will occur and the ship will disappear.

          The explosion of the Moscow definitely happened (or rather, a ganglion, there was no brain there in the first place)
          Quote: pussamussa
          Let's say such a shuttle lands on the Moon. How to fly back? Technically, such a flight is impossible.

          fool

          Orbiter is a space flight simulator based on mechanics. Newton. Gaming space... Try it! Orbiter is a free program, that's all,
          http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/
          1. +1
            15 February 2017 12: 24
            Quote: opus
            The explosion of the Moscow definitely happened (or rather, a ganglion, there was no brain there in the first place)

            To carry out any flight, much less to another planet, it is necessary to conduct a large number of experimental test flights. It is especially necessary to fully practice takeoff and landing first on the ground. Even in order to put an aircraft into production and start flying it, a huge number of test flights are carried out.
            It is first necessary to fully practice the landing on the moon, the return launch and the return to earth with an unmanned vehicle. No experimental test flights were carried out without astronauts. And then people immediately flew in and everything went smoothly without any problems. Yes, six times in a row. And all this is presented as the truth. Don't you find it funny yourself?
            1. +3
              15 February 2017 12: 42
              Quote: pussamussa
              a large number of experimental test flights are required.

              Repetition
              Quote: opus
              Quote: Olezhek
              Just 8 months after the tremendous failure of 4 on April 1968, the Saturn-5 started with people on board, heading straight for the Moon.
              Well, do not distort it!
              1. Before Apollo-1 were: SA-1 ... SA-5
              2. Spacecraft tests: from “Apollo QTV-1” to “Apollo 004” (12 in total, in less than a full THREE years -12, TWELVE CARL!!!)
              3.S-IVB from AS-201 to AS-204 (this is the HAPPY Apollo-1)
              4. After your "grandiose failure of April 4 1968 of the year" for "eight months" was
              -Apollo 4 (test descent vehicle when entering the atmosphere at a speed of 11,14 km / s)
              -Apollo 5 (test of the lunar module in open space)
              -Apollo 6
              Only American industry could afford such a pace at that time (and even now)
              .


              Quote: pussamussa
              It is first necessary to fully practice the landing on the moon, the return launch and the return to earth with an unmanned vehicle.

              August 10, 1960 The first vehicle to return from orbit with a payload (landed on August 18). "Discoverer-13"
              December 14, 1962 First controlled flyby of Venus at a distance of 33800 km. Mariner 2
              July 14, 1965 Mariner 4's first controlled flyby of Mars
              December 15, 1965 First joint maneuver in space during a group flight of manned spacecraft (without docking) Gemini 6 / Gemini 7
              March 16, 1966 First orbital docking (crew and unmanned vehicle) Gemini 8 / Agena
              June 2, 1966 Second soft landing on the Moon (the first rocket-powered)
              photographs from the Moon Surveyor-1
              ...
              Ranger-4 (26.04.1962/9/20.02.1965) to Ranger-XNUMX (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
              Surveyor-2 and Surveyor-4

              Surveyor spacecraft studied the Moon directly on its surface; parts of the Surveyor-3 apparatus were picked up and delivered to Earth by the crew of Apollo 12

              and this is a training session for removing parts

              Currently, the Surveyor 3 television camera is on display at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, USA.

              "Olezhek" and other Mukhins can perfectly request and conduct radioisotope analysis, play around with residual radiation, assess erosion, etc.
              1. +1
                15 February 2017 12: 57
                Where is the test experimental flight with landing on the moon, subsequent takeoff and return to earth?
  53. +1
    13 February 2017 17: 14
    There were people on the moon - it's a fact
    1. +4
      13 February 2017 22: 51
      Quote: Vadim237
      There were people on the moon - it's a fact

      Don't throw your pearls in front of the trolls hi The article was posted with one purpose - to start a fight. And judging by the number and quality of comments, the goal has been achieved.

      Question: “Why does the site administration allow this?”
      1. +3
        13 February 2017 23: 10
        Quote: Corporal
        Quote: Vadim237
        There were people on the moon - it's a fact

        Don't throw your pearls in front of the trolls hi

        - good laughing good
        - corporal, You made my evening!

        Fact is that Vadim and beads are two incompatible things...as genius and villainy...or as Chemistry and Life request
        1. +3
          13 February 2017 23: 19
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Vadim and beads are two incompatible things.

          Are you so sure? sad
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Chemistry and Life

          Ufff ... lol
          Quote: Corporal
          Tatya was placed with one purpose - to start a fight. And judging by the number and quality of comments, the goal has been achieved.

          This is accurate... crying
          1. +4
            13 February 2017 23: 29
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Vadim and beads are two incompatible things.

            Are you so sure? sad

            - to my greatest regret - yes crying
            Quote: Strugatsky, Hotel "At the Dead Climber"
            ... Simone, laughing, said that somebody reads his books - mostly specialized literature - and makes notes in the margins - mostly completely illiterate...

            - sometimes it even seems to me that I know how to do this "someone" call belay
            1. +3
              13 February 2017 23: 41
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              what is this color=DarkRed]"someone" name

              This is Tommy Clancy. feel
    2. 0
      15 February 2017 09: 37
      Quote: Vadim237
      There were people on the moon - it's a fact


      With the help of Hollywood, the Internet and Photoshop, you can make any photos and videos in any quantity about the moon and any other planets.
      1. 0
        15 February 2017 10: 26
        And also to simply identify whether they are real or not - these photographs are real. In all the videos of the landing there is evidence that this is the Moon in terrestrial conditions, even though you can’t shoot something like that.
        1. 0
          15 February 2017 14: 37
          The Americans actually worked on the lunar program. But all the work was carried out in laboratory conditions, in pavilions. The processes of this entire lunar epic were modeled and simulated as close to reality as possible. But in the course of all these experiments, they came to the conclusion that technically at that time, and even now, interplanetary flight of astronauts to the moon and back was not possible.
  54. +6
    13 February 2017 17: 16
    Again the conspiracy mongers are getting worse. Spring is coming, spring is on its way...
    Believing that the Muricans were not on the Moon is approximately on the same level as believing that the proto-Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea.
    1. 0
      15 February 2017 14: 18
      Quote: Glaaki
      This is the Moon in terrestrial conditions, even if you dare, you won’t be able to photograph this.

      The authenticity was checked by those who filmed it, or perhaps by their best friend and commercial partner Leonov.
  55. +4
    13 February 2017 17: 18
    Quote: BoA KAA

    My 5 cents.
    At a distance of 24 000 km from Earth, radiation kills all life. There is no protection.
    From Earth to the Moon 380 000 km.

    Who told you this? If you are talking about protection by the ozone layer, then cosmonauts have been hanging out in space for a long time for six months or more. And if you are talking about the protection of the Earth by the magnetic field, then this is again a fairy tale. A magnetic field can ONLY stop charged particles. And there are difficulties with stopping only from Gamma and uncharged particles. And even a small-thick screen can stop a charged particle; read the instructions on GO and protection from damage caused by a nuclear explosion. Alpha and Beta radiation are dangerous only when this nasty thing is taken orally. The only negative is that it would be a good idea to throw away this screen itself later, so as not to suffer from induced radioactivity, but this is not so difficult.
  56. +2
    13 February 2017 17: 41
    Quote: andj61
    ALL American landing sites on the Moon are clearly visible through a telescope, and even the lunar mobile is visible through a household telescope
    It’s strange why, after the US landing on the moon, we don’t see a single photo from satellites of the landing site? The last one, the Japanese one, also didn’t find the landing site?
  57. 0
    13 February 2017 17: 58
    Quote: Markus2000
    https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia
    /lroimages/LROMoonImages_archive_1.html

    there is no such page)
  58. +6
    13 February 2017 18: 38
    Wet dreams of conspiracy theorists))).
    Funny little article.
  59. 0
    13 February 2017 18: 42
    Nobody was anywhere. Where are Billy's proofs?
  60. +2
    13 February 2017 19: 22
    Quote: Olgovich
    In response to all the author’s arguments, I note that thousands of people, including astronauts, must have participated in the “falsifications.” In 50 years it would definitely have “leaked” - from the make-up artist, stuntman, etc. This did not happen...

    And “flowed” and “flowed” constantly, and only believers “witnesses of the valiant flight to the Moon” do not notice this...
    1. 0
      13 February 2017 23: 51
      Where and what flowed and is flowing? (Please do not introduce Mukhin and other similar conspiracy mongers).
  61. +1
    13 February 2017 20: 01
    Was Magellan's feat not repeated by anyone for a very long time? So it’s not necessary...

    mmm.... well, actually, there is no need to write such a long article, the author himself answers the question. Who needs to fly to the moon AFTER and SECOND for such money?
    The author is not a specialist in rocket technology

    The author is not a specialist in nuclear physics

    Well, actually everything is clear.... that's what I thought
  62. +2
    13 February 2017 20: 07
    Quote: inkass_98
    A modest question: why didn’t anyone (!) Of the Soviet cosmonauts, scientists, and politicians of that time doubt and doubt these flights? Listen to the same Leonov. Incidentally, he participated in the Soyuz-Apollo program, and it included docking / undocking in orbit of ships with different types of locks, which is also not an easy task. And the type of atmosphere used was different. Well, this is not an argument, of course, for such authors.


    There is an opinion that the USSR’s silence about the fakeness of American flights to the Moon surprisingly coincides with the opening of the Middle East oil market to Soviet oil workers.
    1. +4
      13 February 2017 20: 29
      Quote: Ironstop
      that the USSR’s silence about the fakeness of American flights to the Moon surprisingly coincides with the opening of the Middle East oil market for Soviet oil workers.

      Nixon came and kissed Brezhnev. And then all the chocolates fell on the USSR. Grain at a fixed price, oil was allowed to be sold, KamaZ helped to build, and Zhiguli... Why the binge?
  63. +1
    13 February 2017 20: 30
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    lost soil samples

    And what about the lunar soil, it is quite quietly stored in a storage of lunar soil, located on the territory of the Space Center. Johnson in Houston. smile

    You can see http://avivas.ru/topic/kak_i_gde_hranitsya_lunnii
    _grunt_v_amerike.html
    1. +4
      13 February 2017 20: 41
      Quote: Bayonet
      And what about the lunar soil, it is quite quietly stored in a storage of lunar soil, located on the territory of the Space Center. Johnson in Houston.

      Bayonet! And then what did they fit the Dutch? sad
      1. +1
        13 February 2017 21: 29
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Bayonet! And then what did they fit the Dutch?

        Viewed? http://avivas.ru/topic/kak_i_gde_hranitsya_lunnii
        _grunt_v_amerike.html
        And in general, I tie up with the so-called VO - the smart go away, and the clowns are tired! Say hello to Mikhan, although he is not right in many ways, he is a staunch fighter, not a fake one! hi
        1. +3
          13 February 2017 21: 43
          Quote: Bayonet
          And in general, I’m quitting with the so-called VO -

          Well, call me stupid.
          Quote: Bayonet
          Say hello to Meehan, although he is wrong in many ways, he is a convinced fighter, not a fake!

          I don’t know Vitaly at all. feel What kind of link did you post there? Nothing is clear. feel
          1. 0
            13 February 2017 22: 12
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And what are you throwing there for the link?

            http://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/83598.html
            ok here.
            1. +2
              13 February 2017 22: 26
              Bayonet! What did you adjust? Did you see the advertisement below? Ugh... laughing
  64. 0
    13 February 2017 20: 36
    Fuck it... with her, with this moon, what difference does it make - we flew, we didn’t fly, we lost, we won, we lost the hockey super series in 1972, and what now? We lost in a fair fight, we fought and fought on equal terms with an incomparably smaller budget, having barely recovered after World War 2, on sheer enthusiasm, the fat Yankees did not have such conditions, that’s where our victory is, that’s what we should be proud of, and from the moon What's the point, we didn't fly, we saved money
    1. +3
      13 February 2017 20: 46
      Quote: Yulaevich
      , we lost the hockey super series in 1972

      We lost when our legs were broken. We don't need this kind of hockey!
    2. +2
      13 February 2017 20: 55
      Quote: Yulaevich
      having barely recovered after World War 2, on sheer enthusiasm, the fat Yankees did not have such conditions, that’s where our victory is, that’s what we need

      Yulaevich! We fought with the Canadians!
  65. +2
    13 February 2017 21: 55
    Quote: andj61
    That’s right - the technology has been lost. Those instruments, rockets, etc. that were used for the flight are not produced. It happens. For example, now take on the task of producing an authentic steam locomotive from the early 20th century with a triple expansion steam engine

    Nice try to manipulate the facts. Since the beginning of the 20th century, have trains stopped running? Technologies were not lost, but replaced with more advanced ones. And outdated and technologies that have become unnecessary could later be forgotten.
    It’s probably the same in American astronautics. The Saturn 5 was replaced with more advanced engines, and now they fly to Mars and Venus. That's why outdated technologies were lost, right?
    1. +1
      14 February 2017 03: 25
      Quote: kamradserg
      It’s probably the same in American astronautics. The Saturn 5 was replaced with more advanced engines, and now they fly to Mars and Venus.

  66. AB
    0
    13 February 2017 21: 56
    One small article, but it caused such a wave of comments. I am not inclined to believe 100% the USSR cosmonaut A.A. Leonov, but it is difficult to refute his words. Here is his interview https://ria.ru/science/20090720/177908258.html
    1. +6
      13 February 2017 22: 03
      Quote: AB
      I am not inclined to believe 100% the USSR cosmonaut A.A. Leonov, but it is difficult to refute his words

      Why are all his answers like carbon copies of NASA? request
    2. +2
      14 February 2017 20: 24
      One small article, but caused such a wave of comments


      A small step for a person, but a giant leap for all humanity.... am
  67. +2
    13 February 2017 22: 13
    Quote: Vadim237
    Technical realities

    Give me at least one coordinate where this Polo landed on the moon, there should be starting modules and there are already 12 of them! Even a turdyk from the ground can see it. Prove it, show the remnants of what remains on the moon.
    1. 0
      14 February 2017 21: 21
      In 2020, ours will launch a satellite with a camera - just for taking pictures of the landing sites of American modules - and you will see everything there in 4K quality.
  68. kig
    +2
    14 February 2017 03: 03
    It seems like this will be one of the most discussed topics. Which is what the author needed.

    Forty souls howl in a wee, glowing white.
    This is how much the triangular business is concerned,
  69. 0
    14 February 2017 05: 00
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: andj61
    this cannot be because this can never be!

    My 5 cents.
    At a distance of 24 000 km from Earth, radiation kills all life. There is no protection.
    From Earth to the Moon 380 000 km.
    Any questions? Then ask them for yourself! bully

    ...you might think this is an argument for stubborn people... at least they... in the eyes - everything is God's dew..
  70. +3
    14 February 2017 08: 40
    And I liked the article, it’s written in a florid way, of course, but overall I agree. In my opinion, the most powerful argument (that they weren’t on the Moon) is that they allegedly lost technology, it’s just ridiculous. To lose such technology you have to be a complete idiot, but they are clearly not like that (despite all my dislike for mattress covers), which means they are probably simply liars, which by the way is confirmed by their whole story.
  71. +2
    14 February 2017 10: 14
    For supporters of “flights to the moon,” I repeat once again that landing and then taking off from the moon is technically impossible. Everyone knows the only option for taking off and landing cosmonauts under Earth conditions. The takeoff is carried out using a powerful multi-stage rocket with powerful engines and a multi-ton supply of combustible fuel. This is to put the spacecraft into low Earth orbit. After the flight, the capsule with the astronauts lands on the ground using parachutes. There were no other options for takeoffs and landings on the ground. And if under ground conditions there were no other options for takeoffs and landings, then even more so under lunar conditions.
    Theoretically, we could possibly fly to the Moon. But how to land the device on the Moon, given that it will be necessary to fly back. In addition to the capsule with astronauts, there must be stages with a multi-ton fuel supply and powerful engines. It will be a huge multi-ton structure. During a hard landing on the Moon, tons of fuel will detonate and everything will explode. And how to land a huge multi-ton structure on the surface of the Moon? What is depicted in the pictures, supposedly a device that landed on the Moon with astronauts, is something primitive, more like a beer stall. How was this primitive, frail structure able to land? How will this primitive take off and be directed towards the earth? Does this structure look like a huge rocket that is launched from a cosmodrome in order to launch a spacecraft into low-Earth orbit?
    The option of landing and taking off on the Moon, which American showmen are asking us to take at their word, has never been tested anywhere on Earth. It is a thousand times more difficult to do this under lunar conditions.
    1. +3
      14 February 2017 10: 27
      Quote: pussamussa
      ...musi-pusi...

      - The names Luna-17 and Lunokhod-1 don’t mean anything to you, do they?
      - this is about the impossibility of landing and taking off on/from the Moon wink
      1. +3
        14 February 2017 11: 21
        Luna 17 and the Lunokhod are relatively small devices that were delivered to the surface of the moon. These products were not sent to the earth from the surface of the moon; there was no takeoff from the surface of the moon. To land a ship with people and a large amount of fuel - this has never happened even on the ground in the history of astronautics, much less on the moon. And not just to land it, but for it to then take off and reach the surface of the earth. There were no takeoffs from the surface of the moon.
        1. 0
          14 February 2017 21: 26
          “To land a ship with people and a large amount of fuel - this has never happened even on the ground in the history of astronautics, much less on the moon. And not just to land, but for it to then take off and reach the surface of the earth. No take-offs from the surface of the moon did not have." Once again for the really tight ones - “With the deduction of the fuel and oxidizer consumed during the flight and taking into account the weak lunar gravity, the module after landing weighed about 1 kilograms. Moreover, the area of ​​​​its supports was significantly larger than that of the astronauts’ soles, which reduced the pressure on the surface.
          During the last phase of landing, the rocket engine developed thrust several times less than the maximum, only compensating for the weight of the landing module so that it did not fall. According to calculations, the pressure on the surface at that moment was less than 1/10 of an atmosphere, which is completely insufficient for the formation of a crater."
  72. +4
    14 February 2017 10: 26
    Quote: andj61
    The funny thing is that! Open and unencrypted radio! Nothing was encrypted then. And the television signal was also unencrypted. And ours from orbit caught him, and the Americans. I can’t say anything about the television signal from the moon ... But the stations and tracking ships in order to ensure space flights in the USSR were - and functioned perfectly. And all the information on all launches in the USSR flocked to the MCC.

    Read about Operation Crossroad, how our ships tried to intercept radio traffic and how the US forces interfered with them with all their electronic warfare forces.
    Moreover, the US troops not only jammed ours, but also tried to force them out of the flight path.
    Therefore, there is no need to blah-blah about the openness of the US citizens - they hid it and hid it even more!
    Apparently there was something to hide, because ballistic flight on dead F-1s is very different from orbital flight...
  73. +4
    14 February 2017 10: 32
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Why are all his answers like carbon copies of NASA? request

    Because he's the face interested in that.
    Let me remind you: 1975. Joint "flight" of Soyuz-19 and Apollo ASTP. Commander of Soyuz-19 Leonov.
    This “flight” is the only “proof” from another country (not the lying USA) that the Apollo tin can actually fly into space.
  74. +3
    14 February 2017 10: 42
    Quote: kamradserg
    The Saturn 5 was replaced with more advanced engines, and now they fly to Mars and Venus. That's why outdated technologies were lost, right?

    The whole point of the Saturn 5 was the F-1 engines, which were way ahead of their time. Even now, with modern, more advanced technologies, it is impossible to build an engine with such characteristics.
    And what engines exactly became the successors to the F-1?

    Even more: not only did not one of the engines become the heir to the “legendary” F-1, but the design of the F-1 in the form of a basket of tubes was never repeated!
    Which is not surprising. After all, in the combustion chamber there is such a monstrous pressure and a monstrous heat flow that the walls of thin tubes welded together simply cannot withstand it.
    1. 0
      14 February 2017 21: 33
      “Even now, with modern, more advanced technologies, it is impossible to build an engine with such characteristics.” What are you talking about - RD 171

      4 combustion chambers, 4 nozzles
      Two gas generators powered by one turbine
      Thrust in vacuum 806,4 tf
      Rod at sea level 740 tf
      Specific impulse in vacuum 337,2 s
      Weight 9750 kg
      Energy-mass perfection (thrust/weight ratio) 82
    2. 0
      14 February 2017 21: 43
      An analogue of the single-chamber F 1 was created in 1970 in the USSR, called RD 270, it was intended for an alternative to the N 1 rocket - the Lunar rocket UR 700.
    3. 0
      14 February 2017 21: 47
      "Not only was none of the engines the successor to the legendary F-1, but the F-1's tubular basket design was never repeated!" - Since the legacy of the F 1 is outdated - The thrust of one F-1 is approximately equal to the thrust of the entire first stage propulsion system of 9 engines of the modern Falcon 9 rocket, with slightly lower efficiency: the specific impulse of the Merlin 1D+ is 282 sec. at a chamber pressure of 97 atm. versus 265 sec. at 69 atm. at F-1.
    4. 0
      14 February 2017 21: 52
      Although - In 2013, NASA engineers again decided to turn to the experience of the previous generation of engineers who created the F-1. As part of the SLS heavy launch vehicle development program, the gas generator of the F-1 engine was tested.
  75. +1
    14 February 2017 19: 23
    I always doubted these American "exploits". The task is extremely difficult even for the modern development of science and technology of any state.
    1. 0
      14 February 2017 21: 49
      Nothing complicated - the only question is money, it all comes down to it.
      1. +1
        15 February 2017 18: 57
        I understand that for you it’s all about money?
        1. 0
          16 February 2017 19: 08
          All technologies have already been created and tested - for flights and further improvement, as well as the creation and testing of new space systems, funds are needed - quite large, so yes, it’s all about money.
      2. 0
        17 February 2017 15: 42
        Is money a no-brainer? Sir, money has always been a challenge for everyone. This is an axiom. And for some reason technology does not stand in one place.
      3. 0
        23 May 2017 13: 47
        Even if you impose money on all scientists (unlimitedly) - any of the scientific problems, as written in this article, can only be solved within a certain time. Even with the entire US state budget, you cannot build a cold fusion reactor. Humanity has not grown up to it.
        And if you, for example, spend billions of greenbacks in Oxford and Princeton on your underage, he will not master your 10-year course of study “in genius” in a year. No matter how hard his teachers tried. And scientists are the same eternal schoolchildren in their field.
  76. +6
    14 February 2017 20: 28


    Something like this ...
  77. +5
    14 February 2017 20: 30


    Or perhaps so...
  78. +2
    14 February 2017 21: 37
    Quote: opus
    4. "Constantly" they did not fall.


    They fell on the virtual Moon while calculating the landing. And so, in the hangar, why should they fall?
  79. 0
    April 16 2017 20: 24
    There was a stone statue, but it became Mary Ivanna. Many believe.
  80. +1
    23 May 2017 13: 40
    There are many dark spots in this story.
    But there is such an important and practically very interesting specific question: how did the “lunar module” launch from the Moon from an inclined and in no way secured flat and smooth launch pad? (And besides, there was only an “embryo” microcontroller on board at that time). Nowhere have I yet come across a “scientific explanation” of this truly engineering miracle, which has not yet been solved. Having learned the answer, it will be possible to completely get rid of launchers for military missiles, for example. And launch them directly “from a ravine” or the back of a truck. And besides, Musk’s “torment” with stabilizing the stage during landing is not at all clear - is it difficult for him to throw out the computer as “unnecessary” from his “multiple stage”, following the example of Apollo? Or are you too lazy to familiarize yourself with mathematical calculations made already in the last century? Mathematics, unlike “American technologies,” is never “lost” anywhere.
    If any of the “defenders” know the “solution” to this greatest engineering riddle, write. I would be very grateful :).