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Ukraine buys engines for armored vehicles from Russian companies

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Ukrainian television channel TCH reports on the next zrade. Referring to the materials of the resource "Investigation. Info", the TV channel reports that the Ukrainian defense industry continues to de facto conduct trade cooperation with the Russian Federation, purchasing components for military equipment. This, in particular, is about the purchase by Ukrinmash (a structural division of Ukroboronprom) 20 engines for the BTR-80. Moreover, it is reported that the purchase was carried out at a significantly inflated price.



For the acquisition of engines was developed a complex scheme. The Moldovan-Ukrainian company entered into an agreement with the Russian KamAZ plant for the purchase of engines. Through this intermediary company, the engines from Russia were delivered to Moldova, where the Moldovan company Avtoprezent first bought them according to the documents, then the company from Germany, which in turn acted as the “main counterpart” for the sale of engines to Ukraine. In the end, everything was arranged as if the engines "Ukrinprom" buys in Germany ...

After using numerous intermediaries, it turned out that each of the engines cost the Ukrainian budget 15 thousand dollars, although engines were supplied to Moldova itself for less than 10 thousand dollars.

It is noted that this is far from the first case of the use of Moldovan transit for the supply of components from the Russian Federation to Ukraine. A separate question is whether it is aware of where the components are actually going, the leaders of Russian companies. Or profit first?

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  1. izya top
    izya top 9 February 2017 07: 23
    +5
    Ukrainian TV channel TSN announces another hail.
    Internet horses can easily turn any catcher into
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 9 February 2017 09: 32
      +27
      At the same time, since August 2014, Ukraine has been banned from supplying military and dual-use goods to Russia. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian company Motor Sich continues to work with our enterprises. The company continues to supply engines for Russian helicopters both directly and according to “gray schemes” through Belarus. Now, if the Old Man bought a ship’s turbines from Zori for patrolmen 11356, for their own needs, well, there it would be nice for the coastal guard of the Belarusian Sea, from where shrimps are sold to us laughing
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 9 February 2017 11: 05
        +7
        Well, here the Belarusian Sea would be useful in full. For all the shrimp would work :)
  2. Crucian
    Crucian 9 February 2017 07: 23
    +25
    Question to KamAZ: money doesn’t smell ?!
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 9 February 2017 07: 27
      +46
      Have you completely read the article? Multipass scheme, delivery to Moldova supposedly for Germany. There are more questions to the FSB than to KAMAZ.
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 9 February 2017 07: 29
        +12
        again Belarusian dad is to blame for my heart! wassat
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 9 February 2017 07: 40
          +1
          those who are lucky go on that one (Old Man)
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      2. Crucian
        Crucian 9 February 2017 07: 29
        +11
        I read it completely. If you want to track your engines and KamAZ is not difficult, there would be a desire. And here, in my opinion, it’s just the business of the plant, and the business is in the blood ...
        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 9 February 2017 07: 31
          +11
          Keep track of that in fact the engines in Ukraine are already done.
          If it were not so, we would not read the article.
          But KAMAZ might not be aware of the end customer, what is it now, and engines do not produce?
        2. Hariton laptev
          Hariton laptev 9 February 2017 08: 34
          +20
          Yes, what business? The manager in the sales department is sitting, he received an application for the supply of engines, he wrote out an invoice and sent it further, no one would hesitate to ship and send to the specified address the main thing that would be paid and that the address would not be on the sanction list .. The engines do not say that military and KAMAZ are running all over the CIS.
          1. Sergey Medvedev
            Sergey Medvedev 10 February 2017 09: 14
            +1
            Quote: Hariton Laptev
            it’s written that it’s military, and KAMAZ are running around the CIS

            The BTR-80 has its own engine modification. Either turbocharged or forced. In general, KAMAZ knew that they were loading military engines.
      3. jovanni
        jovanni 9 February 2017 08: 17
        +8
        Quote: Cheshire
        There are more questions to the FSB than to KAMAZ.

        And to the FSB, and KAMAZ do not otmazyvatsya.
        Have you completely read the article?

        And it says - Moldavian-UKRAINIAN company! That should be enough to figure out where the engines for the bets will go ...
        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 11 February 2017 11: 21
          +1
          Through this intermediary company, engines from Russia were delivered to Moldova, where, according to the documents, they were acquired first by the Moldavian company Avtoprezent, then the company from Germany, which in turn acted as the “main contractor” for the sale of engines to Ukraine

          Something did not notice where a similar phrase slipped. "And it says - Moldavian-UKRAINIAN company!"
          You at least before shaming, run through the article with your eyes, otherwise it turns out solidly.
          As for KAMAZ, it is up to him to decide with whom to conduct business, with whom not. There is no ban on the supply of engines to Moldova.
          1. jovanni
            jovanni 11 February 2017 17: 38
            0
            Well, they didn’t notice, colleague! Just before the offer you made. Yes, if you please:
            For the acquisition of engines, a complex scheme was developed. The Moldovan-Ukrainian company has concluded an agreement with the Russian KamAZ plant for the purchase of engines. Through this intermediary company, engines from Russia were delivered to Moldova, where, according to the documents, they were acquired first by the Moldovan company Avtoprezent, then the company from Germany, which in turn acted as the “main counterparty” for the sale of engines to Ukraine.

            So the word "disgrace", ... well, somehow inappropriate ... Ah! Although the letters "ck" in the word "Moldavian -..." I missed. Guilty ...
            1. Cheshire
              Cheshire 12 February 2017 18: 15
              +1
              Blame, did not notice in a hurry. Your truth, please accept my apologies. As for the letters - do not be so kind as to worry, I do not engage in literary studies, the meaning of what you said was clear.
              hi
      4. Olgovich
        Olgovich 9 February 2017 08: 54
        +19
        Quote: Cheshire
        Multipass scheme, delivery to Moldova supposedly for Germany. There are more questions to the FSB than to KAMAZ.


        So this scheme, in fact, is not needed. WHERE official ban of the Russian authorities (Decree of the President, Council of Ministers) on the supply of such things even directly to Ukraine? But not him.

        This is what should be the reason for indignation, and not the sale of products by KAMAZ.
      5. uav80
        uav80 9 February 2017 08: 58
        +7
        And what exactly did KamAZ violate .. ??? The Russian authorities did not prohibit exports to Ukraine, there are restrictions on imports, and then they are more external than internal. Here, the Ukrainians themselves have sucked themselves up by banning themselves the import and export from Russia in the military sphere ...
      6. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 February 2017 10: 06
        +3
        The FSB will not deal with the sale of engines through third countries - they will have nothing more to do than tinker with motors.
        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 9 February 2017 15: 42
          +2
          Why? Isn't this a royal thing?
      7. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 9 February 2017 12: 46
        0
        Type KAMAZ should not check the counterparty? don't understand who they are selling to?
    2. Damir
      Damir 9 February 2017 07: 29
      +7
      and KAMAZ might not be aware of the end user ...
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 9 February 2017 09: 22
        +1
        Quote: Damir
        and KAMAZ might not be aware of the end user ...

        That does not honor such a serious enterprise. Foreigners when these things are sold to Russia always track the end consumer (he himself came across many times).
    3. Flinky
      Flinky 9 February 2017 07: 31
      +5
      KamAZ lawyers are either headless or well-oiled. Otherwise, there would be a clause in the agreement that the engines are stored with them, and the KAMAZ team brings and puts the equipment on request.
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire 9 February 2017 07: 37
        +7
        Who needs all this?
        Otherwise, there would be a clause in the agreement that the engines are stored with them, and the KAMAZ team brings and puts the equipment on request.
        1. Flinky
          Flinky 9 February 2017 09: 08
          0
          Those who really need engines will agree to such conditions. And to whom for resale - it will merge.
          1. Cheshire
            Cheshire 9 February 2017 15: 50
            +2
            Comment on a non-sales person. Now the crisis, sales have subsided, no one is throwing customers, delusional items are not written in the contract. Our amer rocket engines rd-180 are sold without such additions.
            1. Flinky
              Flinky 10 February 2017 07: 16
              0
              Useless conversation.
      2. Moore
        Moore 9 February 2017 08: 10
        +2
        Quote: Flinky
        KamAZ lawyers are either headless or well-oiled. Otherwise, there would be a clause in the agreement that the engines are stored with them, and the KAMAZ team brings and puts the equipment on request.

        Guess who puts the KAMAZ engines on our armored personnel carriers. The wrong answer is KAMAZ.
        1. berserk24
          berserk24 9 February 2017 08: 21
          +1
          It is becoming easier for lawyers to introduce a clause prohibiting the resale of products and their use only by those with whom the contract is concluded fellow but apparently they know where the products will go angry money does not smell, it is a fact !!! yes
          1. Hariton laptev
            Hariton laptev 9 February 2017 08: 37
            +4
            But what about dealerships and service centers ?? what do you order them to freeze the sale of spare parts and accessories?
      3. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 9 February 2017 08: 21
        +7
        who will agree to this? the man decided to sort out the engine from his old Kamaz and went for spare parts, and in return our master will come and change it himself, but you can’t. who in this case will buy cars.
        1. Flinky
          Flinky 9 February 2017 09: 09
          0
          Does a peasant have a military kamaz? Or maybe he has ten Kamaz trucks?
          I am surprised at the ability of some to put everything together.
          1. Oleg Monarchist
            Oleg Monarchist 9 February 2017 11: 18
            +3
            Does a peasant have a military kamaz?


            And what is “military kamaz” different from “civilian”? laughing

            Do you think that these engines are secret and are placed exclusively on military equipment? laughing

            They are in free sale. A bunch of companies sells them, as well as components for them and after-sales service.
      4. Berber
        Berber 9 February 2017 08: 40
        +10
        These are motors, not rockets. No need to inflate what the hell.
      5. Serg65
        Serg65 9 February 2017 08: 48
        +5
        Quote: Flinky
        KamAZ lawyers are either headless or well-oiled. Otherwise, there would be a clause in the agreement that the engines are stored with them, and the KAMAZ team brings and puts the equipment on request.

        Two questions buddy ..
        1, KAMAZ sells engines?
        2, Salary, travel allowance. travel, half-year-old simple brigade will you pay?
        1. Flinky
          Flinky 9 February 2017 09: 06
          +2
          1. Suppose KamAZ sells engines for the BTR-80 (I don’t know for sure, I focus on the article). However, these engines are for military equipment, and the contract for their supply, as well as for the supply of weapons, should differ from the usual contract of civil rank. What I’m talking about is that lawyers are either headless or well-oiled.
          2. Your fucking logic. Around the level of the yard. No, all this is included in the price of the engines, or an obligatory package of related services is being rolled out. If the buyer really needs engines, he will agree, and if for resale, he will refuse.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 9 February 2017 09: 25
            +6
            Quote: Flinky
            Let's say KamAZ sells engines for BTR-80

            KAMAZ does not produce an engine! For nobody! KAMAZ does not produce BTR-80! BTR - 80 make in Arzamas!
            Quote: Flinky
            Your fucking logic.

            Not one modern enterprise will not contain a loss-making project in advance!
            If you bought a Mercedes and it is under warranty, then who will change the engine for you? Factory or service center?
            Ukrainians, to show how tricky they are and how they deceived Russia, without even thinking about the fact that KAMAZ does not produce engines for KAMAZ, blurted out, and now many people are shouting ... everything is lost, KAMAZ is guilty !!!!
            1. Flinky
              Flinky 9 February 2017 09: 37
              +1
              Quote: Serg65
              KAMAZ does not produce an engine! For nobody! KAMAZ does not produce BTR-80! BTR - 80 make in Arzamas!

              It was about selling, and then under the word "let's say." Be afraid, baby, strong emotions often harm. Does not produce, does not sell - and well, I don’t own the info, I won’t argue.

              Quote: Serg65
              If you bought a Mercedes and it is under warranty, then who will change the engine for you? Factory or service center?

              It depends on the specific case. As a rule, it changes the authorized SCeven if the engine is factory defective.

              Quote: Serg65
              many shout ... everything is lost, KAMAZ is guilty !!!!

              You, too, shout here that KamAZ is innocent and finally can’t produce engines. Maybe it's time to stop yelling at each other, and start listening?
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 9 February 2017 10: 13
                +6
                Quote: Flinky
                Be afraid, baby

                laughing Baby Thanks for the "baby". right flattered!
                Quote: Flinky
                It depends on the specific case. As a rule, it changes the authorized SC, even if the engine is factory-defective.

                laughing So all the same SC, not a factory?
                Quote: Flinky
                start listening?

                what Listen to what? How in Ukraine alone blurted out to give significance to their cunning? Or ours - those who are looking for the slightest reason to pour power over feces? What to listen to? If you clearly prove the fault of KAMAZ to me, then no problem. I will immediately change my mind and I will demand the blood of the general director and businessman KAMAZ!
                1. Flinky
                  Flinky 9 February 2017 12: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65
                  If you clearly prove the fault of KAMAZ to me

                  You will not die of modesty. What hangover am I supposed to jump in front of you, proving something? I do not blame KamAZ for anything (if he sold these engines at all, I was not present at the deal). But if he sold, then, in my opinion, he has lawyers either headless or well-oiled (this is a personal repetition for you). Go to piss, it relaxes.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 9 February 2017 12: 50
                    +4
                    Quote: Flinky
                    What hangover am I supposed to jump in front of you, proving something?

                    You can throw out a comment for a tick with the fashionable trend “All Coz.Zl”, and dismiss the evidence for your accusations ...
                    Quote: Flinky
                    Go to piss, it relaxes.

                    laughing major one word! hi
                    1. Flinky
                      Flinky 9 February 2017 12: 59
                      0
                      And go learn to read.
          2. Oleg Monarchist
            Oleg Monarchist 9 February 2017 17: 59
            +2
            Suppose KamAZ sells engines for the BTR-80 (I don’t know for sure, I focus on the article). However, these engines are for military equipment, and the contract for their supply, as well as for the supply of weapons, should differ from the usual contract of civil rank. What I’m talking about is that lawyers are either headless or well-oiled.


            So you are kind enough to at least take an interest in this issue, it is not difficult, or you are just headless and poorly oiled. laughing

            The engine is made not specifically for the BTR-80, but for:

            Application areas:
            - KAMAZ vehicles;

            Tippers: KAMAZ 65115-011, KAMAZ 65115-015, KAMAZ 65115-016, KAMAZ 65115-017, KAMAZ 65115-018, KAMAZ 65115-023, KAMAZ 6520-025, KAMAZ 65115-026, KAMAZ 65115-027, KAMAZ 65115- 028,, KAMAZ 45141-010-10, KAMAZ 45141-011-10, KAMAZ 65111-010, KAMAZ 65111-011;

            Onboard: KAMAZ 65117-029, KAMAZ 65117-030, KAMAZ 43118-010-10, KAMAZ 43118-011-10, KAMAZ 43118-012-10,;

            Truck tractors: KAMAZ 65116-019, KAMAZ 65116-020, KAMAZ 44108-010-10, KAMAZ 44108-910-10, KAMAZ 44108-91910-10;

            Chassis: KAMAZ 43118-1013-10, KAMAZ 43118-1016-10, KAMAZ 43118-1017-10, KAMAZ 43118-1018-10, KAMAZ 43118-1019-10, KAMAZ 43118-1048-10, KAMAZ 43118-1049-10 , KAMAZ 43118-1050-10, KAMAZ 43118-1084-10, KAMAZ 43118-1085-10, KAMAZ 43118-43118-1086-10 KAMAZ 43118-1087-10, KAMAZ 43118-1098-10, KAMAZ 43118-1918-10 , KAMAZ 1996-10, KAMAZ 65111-1010, KAMAZ 65111-1011,
      6. DenZ
        DenZ 9 February 2017 09: 26
        0
        Quote: Flinky
        Otherwise, the agreement would contain a clause stating that the engines are stored by them, and that the KAMAZ team brings and puts the equipment on request

        Well, not in the agreement, but in the contract for sale. Well, there would be such a point, the team would come to Ukraine to put the engines and what ??? If KAMAZ does not want to sell engines to Ukraine, it will not sell them to Ukraine and it will be written “without the right to transfer to that” in the agreements. That is, KAMAZ either does not want to do this or they themselves have been deceived regarding the end consumer in this batch of engines.
        1. Flinky
          Flinky 9 February 2017 09: 38
          0
          What are we talking about ...
          lawyers are either headless or well-oiled.
    4. berserk24
      berserk24 9 February 2017 08: 17
      +4
      The scheme is not new, and military equipment is supplied to many countries, not only engines request
    5. Skubudu
      Skubudu 9 February 2017 09: 25
      +1
      Quote: Karas
      Question to KamAZ: money doesn’t smell ?!

      $ 200 for KamAZ zilch ... they would not substitute themselves like that.
      Most likely they were not in the know.
  3. demo
    demo 9 February 2017 07: 23
    +7
    "To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear?"

    I wonder who is to blame for the fact that we are so unprincipled?
    1. Stabilization
      Stabilization 9 February 2017 08: 32
      0
      there is an opinion that the FSB is to blame ...
  4. Cheshire
    Cheshire 9 February 2017 07: 24
    +2
    I hope the sand in the crankcases is present in the required quantity.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 9 February 2017 07: 41
      +1
      rather a bookmark in management
    2. aleks_29296
      aleks_29296 9 February 2017 08: 13
      +5
      Which sand, which bookmark? What world do you live in? Business, and nothing personal. Remember the world wars when Germany was supplied with weapons and loans by its opponents. Salvage rules the world.
  5. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 9 February 2017 07: 25
    +14
    This is also one of the reasons, double standards. Large bourgeois capital is international. The word patriotism, complicity, suffering is alien to it. The lobby in Moscow and the Kremlin is very powerful. It doesn’t matter that their relatives and friends will be killed tomorrow. Main profit, and to the Maldives.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 9 February 2017 09: 17
      +3
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Mar.Tirah

      You said it right.
      All the groans of our media about the outskirts is all for internal use.
      But actually gas, oil, ammonia pipes are supplied to the Odessa port of Kalamashi. Domestic banks are present in Kakliya, and the assets of our newcomers in Kakliya are up to a fig.
      There was confidence that the people were pitted among themselves, and the bourgeoisie live happily ever after, vouch for, vodka is eaten in Davos and Kurshaveli.
      1. Grigory_78
        Grigory_78 9 February 2017 19: 13
        +2
        Patriots among the bureaucrats and the oligarchy - the cat cried. With all the consequences.
        As for banks - I will fully support it. They are not in the Crimea because otherwise in Ukraine they will be given a gentle spiracle. We pump gas to Europe through Ukraine - there is no Nord Stream-2 yet. As far as I know, ammonia goes through Odessa - there is no other route either. Stop pumping - have to stop producing and pumping. Tens of thousands of us in Russia will be left without work. Great, right?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 9 February 2017 19: 22
          +1
          Quote: Gregory_78
          Stop pumping - have to stop producing and pumping.

          If you are talking about ammonia, I’ll inform you that the owners of the entog factory live in Tana and wouldn’t care about Russia.
          Quote: Gregory_78
          Tens of thousands of us in Russia will be left without work. Great, right?

          They will not remain if the plant is confiscated, but instead of pumping ammonia from it, the finished product will be produced.
          But in general, everywhere there are double standards, someone shakes, and to someone, "stay there and have a good mood, good health"
          Really got it all. angry
  6. Gray brother
    Gray brother 9 February 2017 07: 26
    0
    There is another British chain. Engines will get to Ukraine anyway, not through Europe, but through some Uruguay. Under this scheme, any sanctions are bypassed.
  7. Flinky
    Flinky 9 February 2017 07: 26
    +7
    Well, is that really news? Throughout the world, such a scheme is used constantly. We also use it - we purchase sub-sanctional equipment through Kazakhstan.
  8. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 9 February 2017 07: 27
    +7
    If this is true, then this case is a confirmation of the common truth “to whom the war is, and to whom the mother is native” —KamaZ is a sponsor and participant in the civil war in Ukraine, and at the hands of the enterprise’s managers and management, as well as their conscience’s blood Donbass. However, such creatures have no conscience for a long time - they will sell their mother as well, the whole point is in price.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 9 February 2017 07: 42
      +2
      Look at the root! So you can write a locksmith, who turns the bolts, as accomplices. The point is not at all in KamAZ, whether they knew or did not know. Our state, if desired and a tough stance, could long have stopped this war. And so it turns out that since the upper classes do not want, then why should the lower classes at their own expense (through lost profits) do good deeds?
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 9 February 2017 07: 47
        +2
        Dangerous-the management of the enterprise knew for sure where the engines were going, and could simply not sell them am And if they sold it, it means that there is also Judas in Judah in the leadership.
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 9 February 2017 08: 19
          +2
          A question about Judah is better for others to ask, those who supply gas to Ukraine. And coal, by the way, is sold to the Ukrainians by the DPR. And for some reason you attacked KamAZ
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 9 February 2017 08: 13
      +12
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      If this is true, then this case is a confirmation of the common truth “to whom the war is, and to whom the mother is native” —KamaZ is a sponsor and participant in the civil war in Ukraine, and at the hands of the enterprise’s managers and management, as well as their conscience’s blood Donbass. However, such creatures have no conscience for a long time - they will sell their mother as well, the whole point is in price.

      laughing Cool! Those. without finding out, are you ready to shoot innocent people? And find out that. that the engine for the BTR-80 is produced at the YaMZ in Yaroslavl and that the same YaMZ-238M2 engine is put on the serial KAMAZ-7403? Find out if KAMAZ has the right to re-export Yaroslavl engines or not? Find out who sold these engines to KAMAZ or YaMZ to Moldovans? If KAMAZ, then this engine was purely "civilian", and if YaMZ then where did the FSB look? So can all the same scatter the little ones before shedding human blood ???
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 February 2017 10: 12
        0
        But who of the special services need these engines, they before that on the drum - not that scale.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 9 February 2017 10: 25
          +6
          Quote: Vadim237
          But who of the special services need these engines, they before that on the drum - not that scale.

          There is a staff of military representatives at YaMZ, the military representative decides which engine is "military" and which is "civilian", if YaMZ sold "civilian" to Moldovans, then there is no one to ask! If the engines were from the "military party" then there are a bunch of questions primarily about the military representative, and this directly relates to the special services!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 9 February 2017 12: 29
            +1
            And what is the difference between a military engine and a civil one in technical terms?
            1. Grigory_78
              Grigory_78 9 February 2017 19: 17
              0
              If there is only one modification, nothing.
  9. Damir
    Damir 9 February 2017 07: 28
    +2
    I hope for gesheft with our ukronatsi will introduce some sort of prohibitions on working with these Moldavian companies ???? It would be very revealing ...
  10. Amurets
    Amurets 9 February 2017 07: 28
    +3
    After using numerous intermediaries, it turned out that each of the engines cost the Ukrainian budget 15 thousand dollars, although engines were supplied to Moldova itself for less than 10 thousand dollars.

    Ukraine is rich that it has some 50% overpayment. And that the engines went through such a number of intermediaries, the manufacturer might not know where they went. Too small batch: 20 pieces.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 9 February 2017 07: 49
      +1
      a party of 20 pieces or a symposium on the 20th of May in the Canaries.
      And without war, non-friendly neighbors would be better off receiving news about the control of their lives. And they voluntarily wished to repent of their deeds.
      The case when our state-woo can, without "Kuzi", show their strength.
      I hope that before shipment, on liners put their signatures "the right little people" (scratched with nails)
  11. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 9 February 2017 07: 30
    +2
    Quote: Amurets
    After using numerous intermediaries, it turned out that each of the engines cost the Ukrainian budget 15 thousand dollars, although engines were supplied to Moldova itself for less than 10 thousand dollars.

    Ukraine is rich that it has some 50% overpayment. And that the engines went through such a number of intermediaries, the manufacturer might not know where they went. Too small batch: 20 pieces.

    This is a kind of test, bait. Crawls through, can put on the stream. You need to cut immediately, to the glands.
  12. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 9 February 2017 07: 33
    +7
    Circus - European gas, German engines, Belarusian gasoline. laughing
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 9 February 2017 07: 50
      0
      Small European states live like that.
      But they didn’t dig the seas when
  13. snifer
    snifer 9 February 2017 07: 37
    +12
    It seems that the commentators at VO still go to kindergarten and live in a fictional house. Remember Poroshenko is our esteemed partner. So the President says, and your Wishlist about DNR and LC are just your Wishlist. Business with a respected partner or anything personal hi
  14. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 9 February 2017 07: 45
    +1
    the TV channel reports that the Ukrainian defense industry is de facto continuing to conduct trade cooperation with the Russian Federation by purchasing components for military equipment.

    and which bastard sells these engines to them?
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 9 February 2017 08: 20
      +1
      one that sells gas and coal
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 9 February 2017 11: 05
      +2
      and which bastard sells these engines to them?


      Probably the same that trades rocket engines in the US.
  15. Altona
    Altona 9 February 2017 07: 45
    +1
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Big bourgeois capital is international. The word patriotism, complicity, suffering is alien to it.

    ----------------------------------
    Yes, it’s not difficult to get around these schemes, an offshore office is created, and through it, as through a black hole, everything is teleported. And where the teleport end station will never guess. Engines will be bought by some intermediary in Moscow under a plausible pretext for municipal vehicles, and then the engine will go further down the chain.
  16. oracul
    oracul 9 February 2017 08: 04
    +4
    Nothing personal, just business. The essence of capitalist relations does not change. The United States also traded with fascist Germany through Spain. Is this good or bad? Disgusting, because armored personnel carriers will be used not only against our brothers in the Donbass, but also on occasion - against us.
  17. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 9 February 2017 08: 10
    +3
    In disputed cases, normal companies require an End User Certificate, that is, a document confirming that the product does not fall into the hands of the wrong consumer.
  18. aleks700
    aleks700 9 February 2017 08: 10
    +2
    So, let the Moldovans buy Ukrainian ship engines, and then Cyprus, and then Tajikistan, and then Russia
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 9 February 2017 08: 37
      0
      Alex 700, it would be great, but ...
  19. shcishcok
    shcishcok 9 February 2017 08: 12
    +2
    nits are everywhere, which is a pity ... although if you sell engines to Moldovans, why should you keep an eye on the entire chain of your goods? This is a rhetorical question. It’s not like Belarus sells diesel fuel specifically to Ukraine, specifically for “tractors”
  20. Moor
    Moor 9 February 2017 08: 19
    +8
    Why is everyone so fussed about? For starters, we can recall whose coal and gas Ukraine is now heating. Russian gas, oh, sorry - Slovak, coal - Donetsk, doesn’t it bother you? And here, because of the 20 engines, they throw their heads into the manure. Twenty engines of this, 20 RPG - that’s all, balance is maintained. “Provide capital with 10% profit, and capital agrees to any use, with 20% it becomes lively, with 50% it is positively ready to break its head, with 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime for which it does not would risk going, at least under pain of the gallows ” Marx was accurate in wording.
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 10 February 2017 09: 22
      +1
      It’s true, as for Belarus, everything is in full swing here, but how they themselves are supplied is so possible. :(
  21. gukoyan
    gukoyan 9 February 2017 08: 31
    +1
    Chu ... A long-known fact, but not news at all. This was known last year.
  22. Monarchist
    Monarchist 9 February 2017 08: 31
    +1
    The question is very interesting: are the "heads of Russian companies" up to date. For some reason, it seems to me that KAMAZ is not interested in knowing the truth
  23. gukoyan
    gukoyan 9 February 2017 08: 32
    +1
    Chu ... This is a known fact, but by no means news. This has been known since last year.
  24. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 9 February 2017 08: 54
    +6
    But nothing, does it mean that Russia supplies gas and electricity according to a completely official scheme to Khokhlostan? Nothing that gas goes to Europe in transit, for which Russia pays money that goes to purchase LETAL weapons, which kill our people in the Donbass? Why nobody bothers to take these questions. And here are the engines ... that can go to the KAMAZ garbage collection ...
  25. Elevator in the building
    Elevator in the building 9 February 2017 08: 59
    +5
    I have bad words for those who have “suddenly opened their eyes”: you have already been written above repeatedly: this patsyuk-paratha, a respected partner, and trading with the now fascist 404 is just a business (under a slightly sad view of the camera with words of concern for freezing old people) - capitalism however. And yet, at least half a percent of those indignant at the gums will kiss with the current “non-brothers”, if the beloved guarantor orders, the Turks passed .. And do not be indignant - you didn’t vote for this in the recent elections.
  26. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 February 2017 09: 00
    +1
    This is called an "end user certificate." No FSB will be able to block the deal if the manufacturer company provides such a piece of paper - we’ll use it ourselves ...
    These are still not cartridges and “trunks”.
    But this suggests that tracking such transactions should be much stricter.
  27. Crucian
    Crucian 9 February 2017 09: 18
    +1
    I do not appeal to someone specifically. What are you upsetting - "gas, coal", "whose heating" .... Do not confuse the engines for armored personnel carriers and fuel, which in passing industry warms all the tics and the people. Something, somewhere probanderous, but children and grandmothers in particular. Or do you propose to freeze everyone? then let’s freeze the geyrope as well, because they are throwing sanctions and Russophobia desperately. Let's? Whole nations, under the root? What is it called understand?
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 9 February 2017 11: 09
      0
      then let’s freeze the geyrope as well, because they are throwing sanctions and Russophobia desperately. Let's?


      And we don’t do anything like that. We the United States sell rocket engines and are waiting for them to be cut with our gums. But they, who do not understand, do not want to lift the sanctions.
    2. insular
      insular 10 February 2017 01: 25
      +1
      Quote: Karas
      Do not confuse APC engines and fuel

      These engines are not for armored personnel carriers, but for a HUGE list of KamAZ vehicles ...
  28. sergei1975
    sergei1975 9 February 2017 09: 31
    0
    Projects for the Ukrainian army without Russian engines foot drive horse drawn.
  29. Vitalson
    Vitalson 9 February 2017 09: 43
    +1
    profit above all .......
  30. Vadim237
    Vadim237 9 February 2017 10: 18
    +2
    Last month, a friend in Ukraine sent 39 bush engines YaMZ 236 and 238 Today's news - nothing new, everything is old.
  31. prior
    prior 9 February 2017 10: 52
    +5
    During the time that has passed since the collapse of the USSR, the monetization of honor, conscience, medicine, education and everything else in the post-Soviet space has been successful and has by now been almost completed.
    It’s not a question of what to sell and to whom, the question is how much ....
  32. Glory1974
    Glory1974 9 February 2017 11: 11
    +3
    We built capitalism. Everyone must make money. Has anyone said that making money is bad?
    On the contrary, profit is the measure of success. Moreover, there are no sanctions against Ukraine.
  33. CYBERNINJA
    CYBERNINJA 9 February 2017 11: 27
    +1
    And here I was the only one who argued that there were no workarounds for procurement ... It was nice ... wassat
  34. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 9 February 2017 12: 07
    +3
    "Or profit first?" The author of the last sentence to himself answered and profit is natural! This line also includes the work of our banks in the “independent” and not the work in the Crimea, and so on, the loot wins everything.
    1. Elevator in the building
      Elevator in the building 9 February 2017 12: 44
      +1
      Quote: Alget87
      "loot wins everything.
      - so what is the strength, brother.? :(
  35. Charond
    Charond 9 February 2017 13: 08
    +2
    In the United States, companies selling dual-use goods to an enemy state would be fined by the US government so much that another time it would be bad for anyone. In Russia, a mess!
  36. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 9 February 2017 14: 27
    0
    Quote: iza top
    Ukrainian TV channel TSN announces another hail.
    Internet horses can easily turn any catcher into

    KamAZ "denied rumors about the supply of engines for the Ukrainian army
  37. iouris
    iouris 9 February 2017 14: 36
    +1
    I suspect that "some" private companies "in some places sometimes" deliver "lethal" and "non-lethal" weapons, fuel, and everything, everything, everything they pay for. Including, share information. What about yak? Nothing personal.
  38. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 9 February 2017 16: 00
    +1
    Our power helps the fascist junta destroy the people of Donbass.
    1. Oleg Monarchist
      Oleg Monarchist 9 February 2017 17: 44
      +1
      Well, yes .... to ban the production of KAMAZ trucks and their engines, and to shoot all the KAMAZ and Yaroslavl proletarians together with the leadership? So roughly suggest? laughing
      1. Dr. Sorge
        Dr. Sorge 10 February 2017 09: 24
        +1
        Is this an argument to destroy the Donbass?
        1. Oleg Monarchist
          Oleg Monarchist 10 February 2017 11: 13
          +1
          Awesome logic. And here is the Donbass? The Russian government sold engines for installation on armored personnel carriers to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense? No.
          The KAMAZ-7403 turbocharged engine, as well as the YaMZ-238M2 engine, which are used in the BTR-80, were created initially for the KAMAZ, MAZ, Ural, KRAZ vehicles, and not specifically for the BTR.
          By the way, you stop producing MAZs, so that the engines would not get to the Ukrainians.
          Yes, and can you tell me how many humanitarian convoys the wonderful Belarusian authorities sent to the Donbass? And then your Old Man and Potroshenko are kissing everything in their gums, boasting about how goods turnover with Nazi Kiev has grown.
          1. Dr. Sorge
            Dr. Sorge 10 February 2017 11: 27
            +1
            I knew that the arrows will translate.
            Do you justify deliveries?
            I do not condone. And I’m not going to. But an attack is a sign that there is nothing to answer.
            Humanitarian aid goes, not so much, through Orthodox organizations. People collect and ship. As for sure, I will not write, so that the Svidomo do not sniff out.
          2. Dr. Sorge
            Dr. Sorge 10 February 2017 11: 31
            +1
            If it’s not even the government, but it itself does not sell anything, and it’s unlikely that without its knowledge, let the OJSC or LLC deliver something to the enemy, is this good from a moral point of view?
            No arrivals. Purely on the topic.
            About the logic.
            Where are the armored personnel carriers today? Not in the Donbass?
            1. Oleg Monarchist
              Oleg Monarchist 10 February 2017 12: 01
              +1
              What does the government have to do with it? Engines for cars are not prohibited for free sale.
              Suppose you, a citizen of Belarus bought from me, a citizen of Russia, a batch of engines. And then he drove her into Ukraine. It will already be on your conscience. It’s like you bought a hunting rifle in a store, and after that you shot someone. Are store employees to blame? Or the one who bought and shot?

              Sensational photos of the railway echelon, which arrived in Belarus from Belarus without much publicity, appeared in the Ukrainian media. On open platforms - the MZKT-6922 wheeled chassis for anti-aircraft missile systems recently delivered to the conveyor in Minsk. The Ukrainian journalist does not hide his enthusiasm: Alexander Lukashenko "gives us the opportunity to create weapons that will bring down aircraft of only one country - Russia."

              Not bought from a private trader, but from the Old Man under the state contract.
              http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/150760/

              About the logic.
              Where are the armored personnel carriers today? Not in the Donbass?


              Engines sold to Ukraine or Moldova?

              Humanitarian aid goes, not so much, through Orthodox organizations. People collect and ship. As for sure, I will not write, so that the Svidomo do not sniff out.


              Are you afraid of them ... Svidomo?
              We quietly collect for the militia.
              1. Dr. Sorge
                Dr. Sorge 10 February 2017 13: 09
                +1
                I’m not afraid, but I don’t want the Oppa, like your White Reservists, to do small dirty tricks. That's all.
                You are basically right about trading. But do not be cunning, since all schemes are controlled by special services. This is a moral issue.
                And again you distorted the facts, although in part you are right. Russia - Moldova-- and then it’s not our business that justifies it anyway.
                Then the Belarus-alleged scheme (no one has confirmed the new deliveries) like MAZs, what is the difference?
                1. Oleg Monarchist
                  Oleg Monarchist 10 February 2017 13: 43
                  +1
                  I’m not afraid, but I don’t want the Oppa, like your White Reservists, to do small dirty tricks. That's all.


                  Well, I don’t know ... I have them "from a high bell tower."

                  You are basically right about trading. But do not be cunning, since all schemes are controlled by special services. This is a moral issue.


                  In Russia, special services do not track the implementation of automotive engines in Russia. bully They are in open sale. You can buy it for yourself. If there is a desire.

                  And again you distorted the facts, although in part you are right. Russia - Moldova-- and then it’s not our business that justifies it anyway.


                  I repeat once again ... if it were the BTR-80, you just can't sell it for a hill.

                  Then the Belarus-alleged scheme (no one has confirmed the new deliveries) like MAZs, what is the difference?


                  MZKT-6922, in the civilian sector is not used, in any case I did not find, as well as in free sale.
                  1. Dr. Sorge
                    Dr. Sorge 10 February 2017 14: 42
                    +1
                    Wheel chassis MZKT-6922 Tetrahedron?
                    Well, you know, this is a joint venture, and it was not created yesterday. Read about the tetrahedron. :)
                    Find out :) Before that, they wrote about ordinary trucks. And this is unlikely to be delivered now. Is there evidence of its supplies today?
                    And so :) https://topwar.ru/20721-mzkt-6922-odno-iz-luchshi
                    h-shassi-v-mire.html
                    I understand that you’ve read the opposition partisans.
                    1. Oleg Monarchist
                      Oleg Monarchist 10 February 2017 17: 42
                      +1
                      Wheel chassis MZKT-6922 Tetrahedron?
                      Well, you know, this is a joint venture, and it was not created yesterday. Read about the tetrahedron. :)


                      Read. Only used specially for placement of air defense systems of small and medium range,". And the sale of such equipment is unlikely to be carried out without the sanction of the leadership of Belarus. With whom is it a joint venture? Not with Russia for sure. The fact that the MZKT supplies products for the Russian army is true, but it is not joint, 100 percent Belarusian, there is no Russian capital - Lukashenko refused Russia to acquire the MZKT. Although it could be said that it was normal, such as "we are not satisfied with the conditions of the Russian side," but the Old Man suffered "in August 2015, while visiting the plant, Alexander Lukashenko stated that he did not intend to sell the plant of the Russian Federation, but "if the Russians have brains and money that they do not have, let them invent it!" This concerned tractors for the Strategic Missile Forces.
                      By the way, KAMAZ already made a tractor

                      KamAZ-7850 "Platform-0"



                      https://topwar.ru/100348-mbr-yars-i-rubezh-budut-
                      ustanavlivatsya-na-rossiyskuyu-platformu-o.html

                      I understand that you’ve read the opposition partisans.


                      I gave you a link to the publication "Free Press", it is not "opposition", very anti-oppov))) Editor-in-chief: Sergey Shargunov
                      Editor-in-chief: Zakhar Prilepin (According to the publication “Belarusian Partisan”, under the leadership of Prilepin and Shargunov, the publication is gradually turning into a tribune of Black Hundreds and Orthodox gonfalons. laughing from Wikipedia, but this "partisan" has never read)

                      Have you watched the video presented? I suspect not. Central Auto KAMAZ SRL, LLC is an absolutely Moldavian company, a dealer of the KAMAZ plant and not only him, but judging by their site (a shameful site, by the way), there are also European and American manufacturers. And they are not engaged in the production of armored personnel carriers, but are selling trucks, buses, engines and components for them.
                      1. Dr. Sorge
                        Dr. Sorge 13 February 2017 17: 33
                        +1
                        Thanks for the links, read :)
                        And most importantly, do not be angry with everything that is being written for our friendship.
                        I’ll clarify about the joint venture. I meant the tetrahedron. Even before the war, we made rockets.
  39. faiver
    faiver 9 February 2017 17: 06
    +1
    so what panic? KAMAZ and the traitors recorded the FSB, some kind of kindergarten, the tea engine is not an iskander, and not a nuclear warhead to track it ...
    1. GUSAR
      GUSAR 9 February 2017 19: 59
      +1
      Do you need an armored personnel carrier without an engine? And in general, we here excuse ourselves as suckers ...
  40. bubalik
    bubalik 9 February 2017 19: 39
    +1
    , Samara "Progress" and receives spare parts from Kharkov repeat
  41. passing
    passing 9 February 2017 19: 59
    +1
    We’ll worry so much for Donbas! And then they tell how the unfortunate onion supplies Ukraine with a diesel engine. And enough of the KGB, the FSB, etc. BUSINESS is the main thing! Here are 41-45years and our Sberbank has offices in Germany, and we live like this
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 10 February 2017 09: 25
      +1
      That's for sure. Money is a terrible thing. Nothing but business.
  42. asiat_61
    asiat_61 9 February 2017 22: 53
    +1
    Yes, they don’t give a damn if they were grannies. The rest is lyrics.
  43. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 10 February 2017 17: 41
    +1
    Nothing personal, just business.
    KAMAZ management - deceitful scum. There, the Russian people are killed by Urco-Wehrmacht, and they make money on this blood.

    And where did patriotism and everything else go? Apparently their patriotism is as follows:

  44. Young_Communist
    Young_Communist 11 February 2017 20: 06
    +1
    Russian technology is the most unreliable - it is not surprising that even enemies are trying to get it.