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On the beginning of sea trials of Zircon hypersonic rockets

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Information sources report that the first tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile will be carried out at navy this spring already. The report said that we are talking about the beginning of sea trials of this latest Russian missile. Earlier it was a question of the likely development of the launch program from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome, however Interfax denies this information.


From the material:
In the spring, for the first time, the Zircon will not be launched from Plesetsk, from which the hypersonic missile was previously launched, but from a sea carrier. For the first time, a rocket will launch from a sea platform.


On the beginning of sea trials of Zircon hypersonic rockets


The Zerkon ZM22 hypersonic missile is being created as the main type of armament of the Yasen-M nuclear submarine and promising Husky nuclear submarines. In addition, the rocket will be able to use surface ships of various modifications.

The missile is being developed by Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation, which accomplishes the most important task of achieving hypersonic speed without critical warming up of the missile body, capable of causing premature deformation and the initial stage of melting of the materials used.

According to preliminary data, the range of destruction of targets with Zircon missiles is at least 450 km at speeds of over 5 with more than sound (over 5 Mach). Zircon tests from the ground launch complex were launched in March 2016.
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  1. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 8 February 2017 17: 43
    +24
    Good luck on the tests and speedy adoption!
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 February 2017 17: 45
      +28
      According to preliminary data, the range of destruction of targets with Zircon missiles is at least 450 km at speeds of over 5 with more than sound (over 5 Mach). Zircon tests from the ground launch complex were launched in March 2016.


      All the time, different performance characteristics are given, apparently we will never know the true ones - this is correct. Successes.
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 8 February 2017 18: 09
        +6
        The real range is likely to be 1000 km, maybe more.
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 8 February 2017 18: 27
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        All the time, different performance characteristics are given, apparently we will never know the true ones - this is correct.

        The fact that this is correct - no one doubts! And it’s better not to advertise such information, but to keep it “three zeros or OV!” Why make life easier for spy partners ?! And you can troll with supersonic and super-sweet condoms.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 8 February 2017 18: 06
      +2
      Reading the media, you think that the adoption of hypersonic missiles is comparable to the adoption of nuclear weapons .. Maybe this is the case. In any case, this is a reliable guarantee of the inviolability of our borders ..
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 8 February 2017 18: 20
        +4
        Reading the media, you think that the adoption of hypersonic missiles is comparable to the adoption of nuclear weapons


        hypersound is cooler. And less dusty) 100% will reach the target because there is nothing to bring down. Interesting that with warhead

        1. 210ox
          210ox 8 February 2017 18: 33
          +4
          I almost agree with you .. That's 100% looks unrealistic .. Not because there is nothing to bring down, but these 100% are technically impossible, well, at least 95% .. This is generally wonderful.
          Quote: c-Petrov
          Reading the media, you think that the adoption of hypersonic missiles is comparable to the adoption of nuclear weapons


          hypersound is cooler. And less dusty) 100% will reach the target because there is nothing to bring down. Interesting that with warhead
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 February 2017 19: 57
          +3
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Interesting that with warhead

          If there is a rocket, then make a special warhead is already a technical moment.
          1. engineer74
            engineer74 8 February 2017 20: 38
            +2
            Correct: take from stock. wink
            Successful trials to the creators! good
        3. ssergn
          ssergn 8 February 2017 21: 01
          +6
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          100% will reach the target because there is nothing to bring down. Interesting that with warhead


          Zircon is like RCC. At such a speed, even the kinetic warhead (ordinary blank), together with the remaining fuel, will make a good hole in the ship of the potential "partner".
          But about "there is nothing to bring down" - it depends on the launch range, trajectory, flight profile, the possibility of maneuvering on the trajectory - if there is everything, and not just speed, then yes, there are few options.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 9 February 2017 00: 00
            +12
            Quote: ssergn
            Zircon is like RCC.

            Yes, it seems like RCC!
            That she will have a powerful overclocking unit - no doubt. It is already known about the new fuel - Decilin-M, which in the same volume increases the strategic missile defense range by 250-300km.
            There remains the problem of controllability of this damn chariot ... because of the plasma. But is it really harmful?
            First, the plasma cloud at 30% reduces the aerodynamic drag of the aircraft and sharply increases the value of the PS at the trailing edge of its wing.
            Secondly, the plasma absorbs part of the EME, thereby reducing the p / l visibility of the aircraft. But the DV from it is reflected like from a mirror, but there are none of those on IA - as far as I know -.
            But! The most interesting thing is that the problem of managing the SCLC was solved at the X-90.
            in addition to hydrogen production, due to the endothermic reaction of the conversion of kerosene and water, there was a fairly strong cooling of the apparatus body - since the reaction of conversion of kerosene and water proceeds with a large absorption of heat (endothermic reaction). The problem of burning GEL radio antennas was no less original - the plasma cloud itself began to be used as an antenna.

            There is one more thing, and a very significant one:
            Developing GEL technology, its creators came across many other hitherto unknown effects. It turns out that the plasma cloud arising around the GEL allows the device to move in the atmosphere of the earth at a speed of 4-5 km / s, while moving not according to the laws of aerodynamics or ballistic trajectory, but literally along “broken” trajectories. In this case, the plasma cloud can absorb radar radiation similar to the stealth technology absorbing coating.
            That is, an aircraft can be created that will not be able to catch up or intercept any plane or missile, and which will be practically impossible to detect using radars. Destroying such a GZLA will even be problematic with the help of lasers - since to aim the laser “gun” you will need to aim at the flying machine, which can change the flight path by almost 90 degrees, and the laser beam will probably pass by.

            So, modestly, but tastefully. soldier
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 9 February 2017 10: 25
              +3
              "There remains the problem of controllability of this damn chariot ... because of the plasma" ////

              So the Americans also ran into this ... We must also hit the target.
              "Theirs" zircon waverider flew half the ocean, did not melt, but lost control.
              1. Bezmozgly
                Bezmozgly 9 February 2017 12: 37
                +3
                dear vayaka --- Yes, you cho !!!! ..... this is the thing that is 140, and now 120 Russian scientists have been sawing the Koala project for 27 years ... throw you a link ??? --- "Theirs" zircon waverider flew half the ocean, did not melt, but lost control. ... hi, tell me .... (when you go to Germany)
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 9 February 2017 12: 44
                  +1
                  12 seconds only! belay But after that there was another test where the waverider flew as much as 210 seconds at a speed of 5.1 MAX good

                  "On 1 May 2013, the X-51 performed its first fully successful flight test on its fourth test flight. The X-51 and booster detached from a B-52H and was powered to Mach 4.8 (3,200 mph; 5,100 km / h) by the booster rocket. It then separated cleanly from the booster and ignited its own engine.
                  The test aircraft then accelerated to Mach 5.1 (3,400 mph; 5,400 km / h) and flew for 210 seconds until running out of fuel and plunging into the Pacific Ocean "
                  1. Bezmozgly
                    Bezmozgly 9 February 2017 12: 56
                    +3
                    voyaka uh already 210 seconds with a speed of 5.1 MAX good ..... come on without emoticons .... not children, YES ?? .... this stolen .... oh there is no papelats donated by Gorbachev ... flew 210 seconds- - without performing maneuvering !!!! .... in any attempt - to make a maneuver at HYPER SPEEDS in the ATMOSPHERE of the earth !!! ANY physical body experiences overloads NOT compatible with the strength characteristics of this body .... something like that .. (in more detail, this is to the theory "The movement of a physical body in a plasma. cavity.)
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                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 9 February 2017 12: 52
                  0
                  "Americans" --- rested in the ignorance of fundamental physics "///

                  Ah, here's the thing? They don’t teach physics there ... Thanks for the most interesting
                  information ... So Zadorny says the same thing.
                   "Bezmozgly" - Defiant - a magnificent tandem smile
                  1. Bezmozgly
                    Bezmozgly 9 February 2017 13: 37
                    +4
                    "Americans" --- rested in the ignorance of fundamental physics "///
                    Ah, here's the thing? They don’t teach physics there ... Thanks for the most interesting
                    information ........ I don’t advise talking to me in the paradigm of “the protocols of the Elders of Zion” ... (... ... pull out of context, pervert ... pervert what the subscriber said ...) ..... I wrote that in the fundamental MODERN physicist there is a theory "The motion of a physical body in a plasma cavity" ..---- this theory is the most classified subject of modern physics ... Can you draw me a couple of formulas from this position ??????? ?? I will be glad to see .. (I about 5 years ago with Zhenya- "Pimpled" ..., sucked this topic in a personal --- far and wide ..)
                  2. Bezmozgly
                    Bezmozgly 9 February 2017 13: 45
                    +3
                    voyaka uh Today, 12:52 PM ↑ "Bezmozgly" -Substantial is a magnificent tandem smile ... I asked ... not children .. come with me without silly emoticons !!!! .... But cho, nishtyak tandem .. .! SLAV-YAN-IN ... glorifying yang and yin (... swastika and sauvastika ... the sun and moon ... male and female) ... That I’ve returned the word RUSSOV to you (the first thing that came to my mind). . decomposed? ... Well cho? .. Sho on Zadorny ???
            2. 3danimal
              3danimal 5 March 2017 05: 29
              0
              Change the trajectory by 90 °, at a speed of 1500 m / s? Yes, almost instantly? The author, perhaps, is dreaming too much about UFO stories.) This is an overload of hundreds, if not thousands g. For comparison, the maximum permissible overload of melee explosive rockets with a deflected thrust vector of 50-60 g (max speed 3M).
              Application special. The warhead automatically unties the hands of a potential adversary in their use. And if the Strategic Missile Forces are connected, the role of the fleets will be greatly reduced ..
              Therefore, only conventional warheads.
          2. Bezmozgly
            Bezmozgly 9 February 2017 12: 10
            +9
            But about "there is nothing to bring down" - it depends on the launch range, trajectory, flight profile, the possibility of maneuvering on the trajectory - if there is everything, and not just speed, then yes, there are few options --- hypersound .... hypersound .... yes "bastard" knows when they already don’t fly .... but !!! Strictly along a ballistic trajectory ... that they also learned to calculate a long time ago (since the invention of algebra ..arabs) ... but !!! "Zircon" --- quasi-aerobalistic-maneuvering P.K.R ... ("Plasma is the highest form of matter" - K.E. Tsiolkovsky) ... "The theory of the motion of a physical object in a plasma cavity" .... probably one of the most sensitive topics in modern fundamental physics ... Academician Velekhov ... 15 years old ... (I don’t remember exactly) said back that in fundamental physics ..western scientific world is behind, by 50 years, and maybe forever ( thanks to the great "scientist" Einstein) ... denying the works of the great Tesla ..... and not so great Chizhevsky ... here, somehow. Oh yes .. Plasma cavity, does not reflect the radiation of modern. radars in the entire frequency range .. (after the "zircon" pupates ... you will see a big -fuck and a happy ending .. of your existence) ... I wish further success to the co-workers of the Koala project developers .. stubbornly sawing the budget of S.Sh.A ... how many dear "scientists" you have --- already the FBI .. in layers in pools and baths ...-- drowned ... (pers. --20 ... or more) ??? ... Tagged subhuman hare - you sold into slavery --- say hello .... !! (Humpbacked looks like even HELL does not accept)
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 5 March 2017 05: 53
              0
              Personal qualities of a person and his actions do not correlate with health and longevity.
              They like to breed: a positive character died early - God takes the best to himself, died late - awarded with longevity. Negative, died early - punished, late - so bad that no one "accepts" there)
              The illusion of a just world in action ..
              Santa Claus does not exist)
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 6 March 2017 01: 23
                +1
                Quote: 3danimal
                Santa Claus does not exist)

                And who still leaves me gifts under the Christmas tree?
        4. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 9 February 2017 02: 57
          +4
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          100% will reach the target because there is nothing to bring down

          "Do you think that fools are sitting in the Central Committee? ..." Yes, the military, arms developers have long thought about the question: how to defend against hypersonic missiles when they appear? We will not "climb into the wilds" -consider all the options, and take one (option). At present, multi-barreled anti-aircraft artillery systems of the caliber 25-30mm are being developed (they are in service with a number of armies). Such ZAK includes at least 2 6-7 barrel 25-30mm anti-aircraft guns. There may be other data .... for example, in China 30mm 11 barrel anti-aircraft guns are used. There are projects (and even prototypes) of special MLRS ... .for example, in caliber 37-40mm, where the number of rails may exceed one hundred (St. 100). The "highlight" of the projects is the principle of using such complexes .... they are not going to calculate the "lead point", aim and only then "open fire." Anti-aircraft guns (MLRS) are located around the perimeter of the ship (or other important object) so that "instantly" create a continuous zone of destruction around (or in the right direction) of the ship (object). The complexes must have a very short reaction time. From detecting the moment the rocket starts to "open fire". Knowing that this class of enemy ships is equipped with a hyperblock ovymi raketami.mozhno program the anti-missile system in such a way that it will respond, for example, the thermal "flash" when the rocket launch. Etc. , etc., and so on ....
          1. demos1111
            demos1111 9 February 2017 09: 57
            +3
            Well, what is the carrying stock of shells on this ship. I think if you install so many automatic guns, then there will not be enough shells, and the rocket will scour at such speeds due to the incoming air flow. About hypersonic speed, you have to shoot ahead of schedule, the range of the barrel artillery of 23-37 mm caliber is less than the distance the missile traveled per second.
            Therefore, the whole Arava can and will bring down one missile with a probability of 30-40% and will definitely remain without ammunition.
            This is all true in the event that they notice this very rocket in time.
            1. Bezmozgly
              Bezmozgly 9 February 2017 12: 19
              +2
              Demos1111 Therefore, with the whole Araba one missile can be shot down with a probability of 30-40% and it’s sure that they will be left without ammunition ...... HER ... can’t be shot down !!!! ... For it will be necessary to aim at BOLID !!!!! In the visual range! "! ... For the radar, well, can’t detect" a physical object - moving inside the plasma cavity ".... FSEYOYO ... das ist kaput .... ales kaput ....-)
              1. ssergn
                ssergn 13 February 2017 21: 53
                0
                You are right, they will not have time to capture the target.
                Plus, even if they do, then:
                A. We still need to bring down or disable
                B. Even if they knock down, the debris at that speed will reach the target.
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 6 March 2017 01: 37
                +1
                Quote: Bezmozgly
                .For aiming at BOLID !!!

                Fir-trees! Yes, how much can I repeat that they are not going to “aim” in the “familiar” sense! The zone of probable damage is determined and this zone is "bombarded" with shells at the calculated moment of G.KR's "penetration" into this zone!

                Quote: Bezmozgly
                For the radar, well, can’t detect "a physical object - moving inside a plasma cavity" ....

                Yes, this nonsense! In extreme cases, "do not wash, so skating"! That is, there are alternative neighborhoods for detecting such targets.
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 9 February 2017 12: 20
              +2
              Quote: demos1111
              Well, what is the carrying stock of shells on this ship. I think if you install so many automatic guns, then there will not be enough shells, and a rocket at such speeds will be

              I brought the concept (or rather, one of the options ... maybe not the best) in General! I thought about the high consumption of cannon shells ... but maybe there are "nuances"? After all, there were articles that seriously considered this method of protection against supersonic and hypersonic missiles! You can even “cough” some of the alleged “nuances”! Keep in mind that it’s not necessary to “stuff” a modern frigate like a battleship of the 18 century with tools along all sides of the 3 “layer”! Pay attention to streamlined ship hulls with a minimum number of add-ons ... you can put 1-2 "anti-missile" systems. They will protect the entire half of the ship from the "bow": both "in front" and "from the sides" (also if necessary, it is possible to act with the "aft" half of the hull). Ships often do not operate autonomously, but in formations supported by aviation and space reconnaissance equipment: which means there is an opportunity (and time) to "guess" from which direction a missile strike is most likely Moreover, it can be assumed in what part of the ship will be "sought" by missiles. And yet .... the concept does not at all mean to "bullet" a missile at all the distance from the launch point to the protected ship! Fire opens from a certain distance, calculated as optimal. Besides, is the ammunition stock for artillery systems on the "current" ships really small? After all, modern multi-barrel "gatling" is conceived in such a way as to shoot the largest possible number of shells per second! Progress does not stand still ..... and we can expect the appearance of correctable (even homing) small-caliber shells (missiles), non-contact fuses to them. Moreover, I touched only on "traditional" weapons; without touching on the use of electronic warfare systems PS About one of the articles I can cite some "suggestive" information (from memory). This article appeared in the journal "Foreign Military Review." It describes a promising naval ZAK NATO equipped with 2-7-barrel 25 -mm machine guns ..... PPSI found ... something (but not from "ZVO")

              At the exhibition of naval equipment, held in Genoa (Italy) in May 1989, the full-scale short-range prototype ZAK short-range Miriad (MYRIAD), jointly created by the Italian companies Contrave Italiana, Breda Meccanica, Elettronika San, was first shown Giorgio ”(“ Elsag ”) and“ Villages ”. During its development, the probable flight performance of promising supersonic anti-ship missiles capable of performing complex anti-aircraft maneuvering at the final section of the trajectory, which, due to the impossibility of predicting it, is considered to be carried out according to a random law, was taken into account. With such maneuvering, it is impossible to calculate the predicted position of the rocket with the required accuracy, and therefore the aiming point ...


              The developers of the new ZAK consider the optimal way out of this situation to determine the anticipated “window” (the attacking ship of the anti-ship missile must fly through it, regardless of the method of maneuvering) and create a sufficiently dense field of shock-kinetic projectiles in the area of ​​this “window” that guarantees direct hit elements in the warhead (warhead) of the rocket and its detonation. According to foreign experts, in such conditions, to ensure a sufficient probability of defeating RCC, an artillery mount (AU) with a rate of at least 10 000 rds / min is required. In addition, one cannot do without a more sophisticated fire control system that can reliably accompany a missile, measure and analyze its speed and trajectory parameters, evaluate them in relation to known physical limits of maneuverability, and also calculate the dimensions and position of the anticipated “window” in close to real time scale.

              In developing the ZAK concept, the high probability of delivering massive missile attacks on a ship with small time intervals between missiles in a salvo and from different course angles was also taken into account. In addition to high rate of fire, this requires high angular speeds and accelerations of horizontal and vertical guidance.
              1. Bezmozgly
                Bezmozgly 9 February 2017 13: 14
                +1
                Nikolaevich I Today, 12:20 ↑ Fire opens from a certain distance, calculated as optimal ----------- The question is only ONE !! What and how are you going to calculate ... ??? The reaction speed of a rapid-firing automatic machine of any country in the VISUAL range !!! - pliz !!!!! (All "System of a common information field, strategic detection and prevention of penetration of enemy weapons into the field of theater of operational positioning) GREAT AND POWERFUL V.M. S.Sh.A .... is now breaking .... like a face about a table ... about the "Aeroquasibalistic" P.K.R ... "zircon" ..... and, as always, about the unpredictable "stupidity" ... RUSSOV !!!!!!
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 9 February 2017 14: 25
                  +2
                  Please note that I give only conceptual "estimates" (possible solutions for protecting ships (objects) from hypersonic missiles! I do not argue and I will not argue that the reaction speed of existing ZAK is sufficient to protect against promising missiles! But in the technical requirements for the developed ZAKam will be laid down the condition for increasing the reaction rate of the complex, which is also evident in the example of Miriada! Something about the “optimal distance” is also said there. You can make such an estimate: “having in mind” the speed of flight of the enemy’s rocket ( at least from the performance characteristics), you can determine the distance to the target at any given time and the moment the target is hit. The reaction speed of a promising ZAK is also taken into account (including the "activation" of the detection / warning system and the "turn" of anti-aircraft guns). Thus, it is calculated the moment of opening fire - shelling of the intended "window".
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 9 February 2017 10: 31
            +2
            Cool idea ... belay You just need a couple of barges with shells constantly behind you
            to carry stop .
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 9 February 2017 12: 25
              +2
              Dear Warrior! Demos1111 expressed similar doubts ... the answer is intended for you as well.
          3. 3danimal
            3danimal 5 March 2017 08: 25
            0
            What you described is pure fantasy, no more.
    3. SSR
      SSR 9 February 2017 03: 53
      +1
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Good luck on the tests and speedy adoption!

      Nevertheless, we wish you success. (Good luck and she runs into a fool, other people achieve success).
      Ps.
      After all the sad news, this is the first one that warmed up a bit.
  2. Talgat
    Talgat 8 February 2017 17: 46
    +6
    Great news! After the death of the Union, I got used to the sad news that this or that technology was lost. everything died, no frames, etc.

    But still, some potential was saved - something survived. So do not give up! I read about projects that started from the Soviet legacy called Cold. So they reanimated and continued. Offset.

    As I understand from the read articles, there is 2 hypersound option

    1 - these are hypersonic glider warheads of ballistic missiles - - they plan from space on hypersound and are difficult to intercept about (these heads are already being put into service by both the Russian Federation and China)
    2 - Hypersonic KR with engines - launched from the sea or air or from the ground - these are Zircons or Brahmos 2
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 8 February 2017 17: 57
      +9
      Quote: Talgat
      they plan from space on hypersound

      Each BG flying into the atmosphere from space flies to the GC. But not everyone can change the flight path. Not every one.
      And with respect to hypersonic aircraft, there is one difficult task. Control. The plasma covering the aircraft at this speed completely shields it from the EMP. However, our problem was solved .. by SAM 53T6
      1. Kathernik
        Kathernik 8 February 2017 18: 16
        +1
        Quote: dvina71
        Quote: Talgat
        they plan from space on hypersound

        Each BG flying into the atmosphere from space flies to the GC. But not everyone can change the flight path. Not every one.
        And with respect to hypersonic aircraft, there is one difficult task. Control. The plasma covering the aircraft at this speed completely shields it from the EMP. However, our problem was solved .. by SAM 53T6

        - If this problem was solved ischo then why now suffer ??? Probably you have the wrong information !!!
        1. Thor
          Thor 8 February 2017 18: 26
          0
          relative to hypersonic aircraft, there is one difficult task. Control. The plasma covering the aircraft at this speed completely shields it from the EMP. However, our problem was solved .. by SAM 53T6

          I wonder how?
          After all, by the way, missiles of the S-300 family, which we have been exporting for a long time, also fly in hypersound.
          1. venik
            venik 8 February 2017 19: 42
            +1
            Quote: Thor
            After all, by the way, missiles of the S-300 family, which we have been exporting for a long time, also fly in hypersound.

            ====
            Hypersound - hypersound - DISCUSSION! And the "plasma" - it is different after all ...
            The plasma surrounding objects at a speed of 6 and 000 km / h is different! As well as the plasma on the surface of objects flying at an altitude of 10 and 000 km! Because there is nothing else than gas (air) molecules ionized due to the friction of this air on the surface of the aircraft ...
          2. ssergn
            ssergn 8 February 2017 21: 03
            0
            Quote: Thor
            After all, by the way, missiles in the C-300 family fly to hypersound


            armor rocket seems to be too.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 9 February 2017 03: 26
              +2
              Quote: ssergn
              armor rocket seems to be too.

              Well, yes .... I remember the recent period when almost any high-speed rocket was called "hypersonic"! The hypersonic missile was called the Shell shell (1300 m / s); the Sosna-R missile (1200 m / s). Once, even came across an article where the anti-ship missile "Mosquito" (2,5 Mach) was called hypersonic! And better count yourself! We take the speed of sound in air 330 m / s ... conditionally equate this to the Mach number (1 M) Hypersound starts with 5 M; i.e. approx. 1650 m / s ... now compare with 1300 m / s (57E6); 1200 (900) m / s (9М337 / 9М340). Regarding the "Pine-R" .... I have given the maximum data (1200m / s) that I have met before. Now you can see the data in 900m / s.
        2. venik
          venik 8 February 2017 19: 35
          +1
          Quote: Katernik
          - If this problem was solved ischo then why now suffer ??? Probably you have the wrong information !!!

          =====
          Yes, it’s rather not the wrong information, but the principles of control / guidance (and speed) - DIFFERENT!
          1. Thor
            Thor 8 February 2017 20: 15
            0
            Everything is different ?! What are you saying ... belay
            Rocket 53T6 - about the complex you can read here: http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-875.html
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 8 February 2017 18: 18
        +4
        Quote: dvina71
        our solved this problem .. on SAM 53T6

        Problems with missile guidance and guidance will exist if they do not do something fundamentally new. Zircon must independently carry out guidance, because, unlike SAM, it hits targets beyond the radio horizon.
      3. opus
        opus 8 February 2017 18: 29
        +6
        Quote: dvina71
        However, our solved this problem .. on the 53Т6 SAM

        What did they "decide" there?
        radio command control system, responder and autopilot on board
        guidance commands and other commands are transmitted over the channel of the command transmission station (SEC).

        The antennas of the command receiver and the responder are arranged in pairs in 2 pieces on the rocket body, the antennas are shielded from the plasma that occurs when the rocket flies in the atmosphere, it is injected with freon or a liquid similar in properties.

        5Н20 "Don-2Н" and the SEC at a distance of 20 km and the sun through and through will illuminate, spitting on the plasma

        I’m wondering how you will provide for 15Y71 ("4202") at the point of defeat
        the radiated impulse power is 250 MW, and how will 15Y71 deliver the supply of freon to itself (does not part)? Well, it’s not 30 km that must be overcome, but 140-50 = 90km + before that 7000- 9000km to the target, and not from 0 km / s to 5,5kmS / (or even 3,8 km / S) accelerate (to the “cutoff” ), but just the opposite, with 7,4 km / s, slow down even at least 3 km / s.
        and not 90km of course, but 90 km / sin (entry angle)
        ?
        wink
        1. san4es
          san4es 8 February 2017 19: 08
          +8
          stop Well! a military secret ! bully lol
        2. dvina71
          dvina71 8 February 2017 19: 16
          0
          Quote: opus
          Antennas for the receiver of commands and the defendant are arranged in pairs of 2 pieces on the rocket body,

          Do not tell me the official source of this data ..?
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 8 February 2017 19: 47
            +2
            Quote: dvina71
            source of this data.

            Once a former prisoner was asked what you want to wish the future officers: "Learn the mat. Part." lol
          2. opus
            opus 8 February 2017 19: 54
            +4
            Quote: dvina71
            Do not tell me the official source of this data ..?

            what for do you need it? what

            Kapustyan Konstantin Konstantinovich believe?


            nevertheless, laureate of the Lenin and State Prizes, candidate of technical sciences.
            Leading Researcher, NPO Almaz.

            +
            Conressional Record (Readings by US Congress), N 101 / 1988. USA.
            https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/arc
            hive
            damn late, they have the oldest record already 1993, and 1988 generally deleted
            Congressional Record issues from 1989-1994 (101st to 103rd Congresses) have been archived by the Library of Congress.
            http://www.loc.gov/rr/main/inforeas/opac.html
            and then for the "money" 25; per entry

            Quote: san4es
            Well! a military secret !

            Kuznetsov A. Astronomically accurate rumors. // Technique of youth. N 5 / 1993 g
            +
            Missile defense systems. M., MSTU named after Buaman, 2010
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 8 February 2017 20: 41
              0
              Quote: opus
              Kapustyan Konstantin Konstantinovich believe?

              The picture is good .. no words .. And the presence of antennas somehow does not surprise me ..
              I wonder where you got about freon cooling?
              If everything is so simple .. then why such troubles with takomakom? Where the main problem is just plasma shielding ..
              unity
              venous currents
              a-
              com with a divertor is a modest-sized spherical tokamak
              globe
              -
              M. On this tokamak
              purposeful recently launched
              expl
              o-
              interaction of plasma with materials
              .
              Intense and many
              o-
              promising opportunity research program
              lithium applications
              as plasma facing material
              (PKO) running
              on tokamak
              Т
              -
              11 in TRINITY.
              In the field of experimental
              s
              Research
              interactions and
              m-
              pulse plasma flows with a surface simulating transition
              е
              processes in tokamaks
              ELMs
              и
              с
              a jerk
              ы
              , while we hold advanced poses
              and-
              tion due
              active experiments
              on accelerators KSPU and MK
              -
              200 in
              TRINITY, which for a long time had no analogues abroad. Furthermore,
              the basis of these studies has expanded in recent years by creating
              in VNIINM installation
              KSPU
              -
              Ve for working with beryllium and beginning and
              from-
              interaction studies
              with targets
              powerful threads
              of electrons
              on the GOL installation
              -
              3 in Novosibirsk.

              And then it turns out so simple .. spray freon .. and all business .. yes?
              1. Operator
                Operator 8 February 2017 20: 59
                +2
                Do not confuse God's gift - TOKAMAK with fried eggs - a rocket flying at speeds above 5 M (1,5 km / s). The plasma formed around it due to shock dissociation of air molecules does not cool, but breaks through a stream of freon injected into the stream.

                The freon jet forms a gas non-plasma channel to maintain the radio command line between the guidance point and the missile. In the event that the missile leaves the radio horizon, it drops its speed to> 5M to provide homing using an onboard radar.
                1. opus
                  opus 8 February 2017 22: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Operator
                  Do not confuse God's gift - TOKAMAK with fried eggs

                  good
                  Surprised operator, surprised. For once and for a point
              2. opus
                opus 8 February 2017 21: 35
                +3
                Quote: dvina71
                The picture is good ... no words ..

                AA all were


                until the managers did the OAO, brought the color MFPs and learned how to make presentations in Microsoft PowerPoint
                Quote: dvina71
                I wonder where you got about freon cooling?

                1. I answered
                2. It is possible not freon, but also similar, according to FHS, liquid
                And how can (and have already done) in another way, I will tell you soon (I hope)
                Quote: dvina71
                If everything is so simple .. then why such troubles with takomakom?

                1.And do you need to carry out radio communication or radiolocation through the tokomak bubulik?
                I hear it for the first time.
                2. The plasma in the tokomak is still somewhat different than on the 53T6 tips
                53T6 is unlikely to have more 1260K and the missile body is made of titanium (or refractory steel) and has a ceramic tip.
                (1454 ° C. There was a maximum on the Space Shuttle on the hull, but there 8 km / s and on the hull)

                and the Chinese EAST tokamak (part of the ITER project) managed to hold the plasma at 10 ^ 7 K for 400 seconds and 10 ^ 8 K for 60 seconds.

                in the center of the Sun (where it goes in the entire JS) m / y, by the way, at a temperature of 15 000 000 degrees Celsius (-273 = in K), and on the surface (in the corona) below 6000К.
                I’ll keep silence about density

                in principle, density (n electrons per unit volume and electron energy) you can compare

                I emphasized, if not clear.
                Your "resolved problem" with 53Т6 will be m / y solar wind and ionosphere, closer to 2м.
                and "your tokomak" - you see for yourself.
                Only attention: on the chart, hot and cold, everything is on a logarithmic scale (so as not to flatter oneself)

                Quote: dvina71
                And then it turns out so simple .. spray freon .. and all business .. yes?

                oh not easy
                on the topic of AO written under 50 dissertations, and only scientific papers for 100.
                And they worked on this problem for years 7 in my opinion
                1. Thor
                  Thor 9 February 2017 00: 26
                  0
                  What does this all have to do with it?

                  1. Moreover, the "ending"? First of all, plasma does not form on them during the flight of a GPLA.

                  2. Moreover, these pictures with tablets and graphs ??
                  About spherical vacuum horses ..
                  How can plasma ionospheres be compared (per 100 km- almost airless space) and space that are in quasistable state, with plasma during dynamic ionization of GPA air in dense layers ??
        3. venik
          venik 8 February 2017 19: 52
          +2
          Quote: opus
          5Н20 "Don-2Н" and the SEC at a distance of 20 km and the sun through and through will illuminate, spitting on the plasma

          =======
          You thought well, before writing a similar nonsense ????? Need a snack! (Sorry for the rudeness - but I didn’t find other words “in a hurry”!)
          1. opus
            opus 8 February 2017 20: 29
            +3
            Quote: venik
            Need a snack! (Sorry for the rudeness - but I didn’t find other words “in a hurry”!)

            It is visible: drank, did not bite and galloped, galloped, galloped.
            ======================================
            For UO - it doesn’t reach without decryption that it was a joke?
            I’m a padded jacket, braked, it’s easier for me


            And so for general education.
            X-Rum Americans 1959 probed the plasma of the solar corona.
            and we:

            Reflex Crimean radio telescopes of the Lebedev Physical Institute (the size of the parabolic “slice” is 18 x 6 sq.m) installed in Katsiveli in 1953. On the meter wavelengths, it studied discrete sources, solar supercrowns (in m / y plasma, for example), and on the wave 21 cm - monochromatic radiation of interstellar hydrogen.



            And Pulkovo radio telescope with a parabolic mirror with a diameter of 4 m. With its help, polarized radiation of local sources on the Sun was discovered in the centimeter wavelength range. Through the corona m / y by the way (through plasma)
      4. Asadullah
        Asadullah 8 February 2017 19: 08
        0
        And with respect to hypersonic aircraft, there is one difficult task. Control. The plasma covering the aircraft at this speed completely shields it from the EMP. However, our problem was solved .. by SAM 53T6


        laughing So decided or not?
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 8 February 2017 19: 17
          +1
          Quote: Asadullah
          So decided or not?

          So after all it gets ..! have you decided? Or not?
      5. Talgat
        Talgat 8 February 2017 21: 33
        +2
        Quote: dvina71
        Each BG flying into the atmosphere from space flies to the GC. But not everyone can change the flight path. Not every one.


        sorry your comment did not understand

        It’s clear that the old warheads flew into the atmosphere with hypersound - back in 60

        But the question is. that they did not maneuver! Now in the Russian Federation and China, anti-Amerian missile defense units have been created that MANEUVER on hypersound - I thought everyone read about it and did not begin to detail



        Quote: dvina71
        And with respect to hypersonic aircraft, there is one difficult task. Control. Plasma

        Well - yes, they wrote a lot about it. but it seems Russian scientists were able to solve this problem. and this was never a problem for ICBM warheads; they don’t need to be controlled - the coordinates of the targets are known in advance
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 February 2017 18: 08
      +7
      Quote: Talgat
      After the death of the Union, I got used to the sad news that this or that technology was lost. everything died, no frames, etc.

      About the "Cold" have not heard? In the 1970s, a speed of six thousand kilometers per hour was created. It was created on the basis of the 5V28 anti-aircraft missile of the S-200V (SA-5) complex, developed at the Khimki Design Bureau “Fakel” under the supervision of the General Designer P.D. Grushina. All tests took place at a test site near Lake Balkhash with the support of the government and the Academy of Sciences of Kazakhstan.
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 8 February 2017 19: 28
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        About the "Cold" have not heard?

        Greetings to Vadivak! Yes, I read about the Cold

        and also proud. that my republic was at least somehow involved in such high technology
      2. opus
        opus 8 February 2017 19: 32
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        1970's created a speed of six thousand kilometers per hour.

        5B28 and for 200th incl.



        Only 5B28 has no direct relation to C-57,


        as well as 70 (professor E.S. Shchetinkov applied for the invention of the scramjet in 1957 city )
        In my opinion there 5В28М was used


        but it doesn’t matter if another SAM could be used


        In 1988, two flight design tests of the rocket were conducted with overall weight models of the head compartments.

        In 1 998, the flight speed was achieved M = 6,5 DGPVRD worked more than 77 with no structural damage.

        BUT THESE TESTS under contracts with the National Science Center of France (ONERA), and in 1997 and 1998. under a contract with the United States National Space Agency (NASA).
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 February 2017 16: 33
          0
          The problem of current hypersonic missiles and aircraft is heat-resistant materials and the scramjet itself.
  3. Just a man
    Just a man 8 February 2017 17: 55
    +17
    Always kindly envied engineers designers, all whom God awarded with an inquiring mind in the field of mathematics, physics and other technological knowledge. Here
    this is the real elite of our society.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 8 February 2017 17: 58
      +11
      I agree ! Still, the state would learn to appreciate such people.
      1. venik
        venik 8 February 2017 19: 55
        0
        Quote: Pirogov
        I agree ! Still, the state would learn to appreciate such people.

        =====
        Smart - appreciate! And the “others” declare: “Science DOES NOT NEED us! We need WEAPONS !!!!!”
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 8 February 2017 21: 22
          +2
          Quote: venik
          many - appreciate! And the "others" - declare: "Science DOES NOT NEED us! We need WEAPONS !!!!!

          Well, without science, what kind of weapon, maybe the AX?
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 8 February 2017 18: 22
      0
      And Kirkorov with Raikin ?!
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 8 February 2017 19: 16
        +1
        fentikulyushki
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 8 February 2017 20: 07
        +3
        Quote: Victor N
        And Kirkorov with Raikin ?!

  4. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 8 February 2017 18: 17
    +6
    Quote: Just a human
    I have always kindly envied design engineers, whom God bestowed upon all with an inquiring mind in the fields of mathematics, physics and other technological knowledge. Here
    this is the real elite of our society.

    In the Russian Federation, it would still be necessary to educate the real economic elite, and not these current impostors stupidly eating up the country's resources, both natural and human, and to develop principles and mechanisms for selecting personnel for knowledge and skills, and not arrogance and libertism! Then success would be even more significant, I hope for successful testing and adoption! drinks
    1. Just a man
      Just a man 8 February 2017 18: 24
      +5
      I agree that now clever young people make their way through the built-in system of the godfather, the cult of money and the kingdom of militant scum, more difficult than making a world discovery. Now the cult of effective managers from the children of the "elites", from their whores and kept women, and the right people, in extreme cases, just sneaks and scoundrels
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 5 March 2017 09: 34
      0
      Not all at once, perhaps the grandchildren of the current thieves ’elite will become better .. Or they won’t, but one must hope) Or even believe)
  5. Kathernik
    Kathernik 8 February 2017 18: 19
    +2
    - If you intend to conduct tests from a marine carrier, then probably tests from a land pass are not bad .....
    1. venik
      venik 8 February 2017 20: 01
      +1
      Quote: Katernik
      - If you intend to conduct tests from a marine carrier, then probably tests from a land pass are not bad .....

      =====
      Judging by scattered and fragmentary data, it was from this that we just started ..... And judging by individual fragmentary statements, it can be assumed that the tests dragged on precisely because it was necessary to create a rocket not only for surface, but also for underwater launch ...
  6. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 8 February 2017 18: 23
    +1
    By the way, there are rumors that this is not one rocket - there will be several “zircons” of marine options, with different ranges and sizes, such as near, medium and long range.
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 February 2017 18: 24
    +4
    Oh, we would rather complete the Zircon and transfer it to the fleet. Well, on the basis of it, something land would also be nice to create, as well as for air based.
    1. opus
      opus 8 February 2017 23: 59
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      Oh, we would rather complete the Zircon and transfer it to the fleet.

      Oh my friend ... I’m afraid of something at the expense of “soon” and also sadly:
      The same interfax
      http://www.interfax.ru/russia/537378

      that’s what a candidate of political science is (According to the census of the 2010 of the year, there were 595526 people with a Ph.D. [.] The largest number of them living in Moscow (197897 people) can help the NPO Mashinostroyeniya (part of KTRV)?
      If you are by profession: a radio engineer and graduated from St. Petersburg State University of Telecommunications named after Professor M. A. Bonch-Bruyevich (LEIS) - to defend a candidate

      Petrickgate again

      (Pure Water is a party project of United Russia, initiated by Boris Gryzlov)
      1 000 000 000 $ there definitely hung
      "according to the FTP passport, 2017 alone should send 87,2 billion rubles to it all from the same obscure extrabudgetary sources."
      Gryzlov - co-author (together with V. I. Petrik, academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences) inventions (patent RU 2345430 C1, application filed by 10.09.2007) "method for the purification of liquid radioactive waste what »Using nanotechnology good "
      1. uav80
        uav80 9 February 2017 07: 47
        0
        DBK February 6, 2017

        At the upcoming meeting of the Presidium of the General Council of "United Russia", members of the party in power will discuss party activities and summarize the work on existing projects. In particular, as it became known, some of the existing projects will be closed. The unfortunate fate will befall the scandalous project "Clean Water", which was initiated back in 2006 by the then State Duma Speaker Boris Gryzlov.
        1. opus
          opus 9 February 2017 12: 02
          +1
          Quote: uav80
          The unfortunate fate will befall the scandalous project "Clean Water", which was initiated back in 2006 by the then State Duma Speaker Boris Gryzlov.

          repeat
          Quote: opus
          "according FTP passport, only in 2017 year 87,2 billion rubles should be allocated for it - all from the same vague extrabudgetary sources. "

          You see, "EP" can, whatever you want to chat and decide (money is still not theirs)

          Do not believe me?
          See

          black and white:

          87,2 billion full rubles prepared for ****** th at 2017 g
          -------------
          And what is DBK?
          Development Bank of Kazakhstan? (http://www.kdb.kz/ru/)
          Shaw and they?
          wink
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 5 March 2017 10: 29
            0
            Against the background of such cuts, they take great doubt about the imminent adoption of Zircon into service.
  8. Bronevick
    Bronevick 8 February 2017 18: 47
    +2
    Straight already in my soul it became easier.
  9. kefan
    kefan 8 February 2017 19: 07
    0
    But this is very good news! yes
  10. Just a man
    Just a man 8 February 2017 19: 44
    +10
    Now I’ve read terrific news, rumors of which I learned a week ago from my friend, United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and the Ilyushin Aircraft Complex signed a contract for experimental design work on the creation of the IL-96-400M passenger liner In 2019, a prototype aircraft will be created. Production will be deployed in Voronezh. Putin said that this project would not be at all.
    1. aleksandrs95
      aleksandrs95 9 February 2017 10: 27
      0
      The news is very good, and how much such large boards are needed in our country, more than 50 is no longer bad, better than more than 100.
  11. Old26
    Old26 8 February 2017 20: 54
    +2
    Quote: Expelling Liberoids
    By the way, there are rumors that this is not one rocket - there will be several “zircons” of marine options, with different ranges and sizes, such as near, medium and long range.

    And all in one PU 3S14
  12. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 9 February 2017 00: 03
    0
    What will be the maximum production load of enterprises in this direction, if it will be necessary to equip practically the aerospace forces and navy.
  13. Old26
    Old26 9 February 2017 00: 07
    +1
    Quote: kirieeleyson
    What will be the maximum production load of enterprises in this direction, if it will be necessary to equip practically the aerospace forces and navy.

    Let them start with equipping them with the CR that is, that is, with Caliber and Onyx. And there I will not say the pace, which is very fast. Zircon still needs to be brought to mind, to conduct a full cycle of tests, including an underwater start and only then talk about putting into service. God grant that this happens in the year 20-22. And already then we will think about the load on the plants
  14. faterdom
    faterdom 9 February 2017 01: 16
    +2
    God give it. If the case burns out, then while Trump will build a new American fleet (if there is one), we will deprive him of any military meaning in relation to Russia. As well as the booming Chinese.
    With Zircons, our fishing trawler, in its free time from the manufacture of cod liver liver, can easily lower the AUG from a safe distance to its bottom.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 11 March 2017 22: 11
      0
      Somehow chopped "we", do not you think? Dreaming of missile trawlers .. Maybe it’s better to put things in order, otherwise in the future the dreams will be about missile rowing boats (
  15. The poor man
    The poor man 9 February 2017 06: 20
    +1
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: Victor N
    And Kirkorov with Raikin ?!



    What kind of old woman is this? At least make a signature. What is the secret?
  16. Old26
    Old26 9 February 2017 08: 32
    0
    Quote: faterdom
    God give it. If the case burns out, then while Trump will build a new American fleet (if there is one), we will deprive him of any military meaning in relation to Russia. As well as the booming Chinese.
    With Zircons, our fishing trawler, in its free time from the manufacture of cod liver liver, can easily lower the AUG from a safe distance to its bottom.

    Do not think that everyone else around is fools. Americans are also intensely involved in the creation of hypersonic missiles. And if we know of two topics related to hypersound - 4202 and Zircon, then the Americans have at least 5 or 6 ...
    Well, a trawler with a hypersonic cruise missile, which launches AUG to the bottom, is certainly strong. But he will either have to prepare the cod liver, or bullet missiles. Both that and another will not work ... Yes, and he still needs to approach the AUG at least a distance of five hundred kilometers
    1. Bezmozgly
      Bezmozgly 9 February 2017 15: 24
      +1
      Old26 Today, 08:32 Do not think that everyone else around is fools. Americans are also intensely involved in the creation of hypersonic missiles. And if we know of two topics related to hypersound - 4202 and Zircon, then the Americans have at least 5 or 6 ......................... .......................
      .................................................
      Here you are comrades ..... some stubborn ones .... I will start from the bottom .... on American projects on a branch in the subject of the current of the War ... bother to read what he voiced ... (in fact, project 1 - "koala" .... it was handed over by Humpback together with a scientific research institute ... For 27 years, they saw it there ..... maneuvering in dense layers of the atmosphere --- ends ... with the complete destruction of the object ...... .ёёёёёё-there was such a dviglo ... along with the "bast shoe" .... and after all, the lapotok was in C, C, C, P .. still in 1998, oh, how maneuvering !!!) ... About ours - object-4202-hypersonic glider ... glideril to Kamchatka ... will be ready for "Sarmat" ... unless of course you and the ukrabrats won, and they threaten to parade through Red Square ... "zircon "--- a quasi-aerobalistic hypersonic maneuvering PKR ... flying in 3-D..space ....... but it’s gossip ... I don’t believe in them ...! ..
  17. Old26
    Old26 9 February 2017 11: 07
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Cool idea ... belay You just need a couple of barges with shells constantly behind you
    to carry stop .

    Couples are not enough. The idea itself is crazy. With supersonic it can still come down, with hypersonic with a probability of 0%. Do not forget that hypersonic will not go at low altitude, but will dive from a height of 40 kilometers
  18. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 9 February 2017 16: 24
    +1
    Let's hope that it’s not a chatter ... it’s time to really show the world hypersound in the form of Zircon .... I think many generals in the Pentagon will turn pale ... I’m not talking about the hysteria of analysts and experts !!!
  19. Old26
    Old26 10 February 2017 00: 29
    +1
    Quote: Bezmozgly
    Here you are comrades ..... some stubborn ones .... I will start from the bottom .... on American projects on a branch in the subject of the current of the War ... bother to read what he voiced ... (in fact, project 1 - "koala" .... it was handed over by Humpback together with a scientific research institute ... For 27 years, they saw it there ..... maneuvering in dense layers of the atmosphere --- ends ... with the complete destruction of the object ...... .ёёёёёё-there was such a dviglo ... along with the "bast shoe" .... and after all, the lapotok was in C, C, C, P .. still in 1998, oh, how maneuvering !!!) ... About ours - object-4202-hypersonic glider ... glideril to Kamchatka ... will be ready for "Sarmat" ... unless of course you and the ukrabrats won, and they threaten to parade through Red Square ... "zircon "--- a quasi-aerobalistic hypersonic maneuvering PKR ... flying in 3-D..space ....... but it’s gossip ... I don’t believe in them ...! ..

    It’s better to start not from the back, but from the study of equipment. It would be much more useful for you in the first place. And then you "feed" more with rumors and gossip.

    Poor poor "KOALA"!!!! And where you just do not stick, in all the holes you plug. Now it turns out that Gorbachev surrendered you. And we must understand that I passed it already when I was not the President of the USSR and the country wasn’t like that anymore.
    And everyone considers it his duty to remember you, supersonic "Koala"....

    Maneuvering in a dense atmosphere of a hypersonic rocket? Yes, you have to be full Ph.D. in half with D.B.I.L.O.M. to do this. And stupid, as Zadornov claims. Dense layers. Well at least do not write that on PMV. How things are changing. Now, an altitude of 30-40 km is considered to be dense layers ...
    So what, that something had collapsed. Something collapsed, something not. We also had accidents before the spring of last year.

    and after all, the lapotok is in C, C, C, P .. still in 1998, oh, how to maneuver !!!

    And where did he maneuver the disease? Especially in 1998 in the USSR ?? The names "padotka" at least sound for us, dunno?

    About ours - object-4202-hypersonic glider ... glideril to Kamchatka ... will be ready for Sarmat

    Does he, have 4202 and a plane? Big ones? How many swings in meters. And for "Sarmat". A completely different product is created for him. What for does he need this fool 7 meters long and almost its entire diameter? Will we drip new mines for Sarmat with the glider?

    "zircon" --- quasi-aerobalistic hypersonic maneuvering P.K.R ...

    You would decide what Zircon is. Best with the Secretary of Defense. And then he says one thing - that this is a cruise missile - are you that this is HZ what? And it doesn’t seem to you that you forgot to mention the “Zircon” in my sentence, that it’s not just a quasi-aerobalistic hypersonic maneuvering PKR, but an underwater underground one. Underwater does not mean that it can be launched from a submarine, but that it can be launched from a submarine. And what. They are about to launch it from the trawler, and it can also be done from carts. And the underground one can start from the metro and coal mines ......
    Damn, where did you get these terms?
    There are quasi-ballistic missiles - this is when their trajectory has a fairly low profile several tens of kilometers high. But at the same time, flight range and accuracy drops.
    There are aeroballistic missiles. Which do not have an optimal ballistic trajectory, but sometimes a re-bouncing one. They usually fly at altitudes of 20-40 km. Most often launched from aircraft. They fly without the help of the lifting force of the wing. In fact, these are two types of ballistic missiles.
    But is Zircon a cruise missile? Why was it called quasi-aeroballistic? For Pontus, that you understand this? Well, plus a hypersonic and yet maneuvering anti-ship missile. But tell me, what for would a non-maneuvering anti-ship missile system be needed ?? They invented the terms and immediately squeezed them into the post. And the fact that it looks ridiculous and stupid and speaks of your complete misunderstanding is that you did not think.
    1. faterdom
      faterdom 10 February 2017 01: 06
      +1
      Of course, I joked about the trawler, but there is only a fraction of a joke in every joke ... Even a year and a half ago, who would have laughed without thinking that our missile boats of the Caspian flotilla could pose a serious threat to all AUGs, even American ones, even de Gaulle in the area The Persian Gulf? And at the same time without a chance of an otvetka.
      So Zircon will raise any of our frigates to a qualitatively different level. After all, when the time of detection of such a missile will practically coincide with the time of its arrival - then what difference does it make how many lards does that aircraft carrier cost and what is the salary of the admiral?
  20. Old26
    Old26 10 February 2017 08: 18
    +1
    Quote: faterdom
    Of course, I joked about the trawler, but there is only a fraction of a joke in every joke ... Even a year and a half ago, who would have laughed without thinking that our missile boats of the Caspian flotilla could pose a serious threat to all AUGs, even American ones, even de Gaulle in the area The Persian Gulf? And at the same time without a chance of an otvetka.
    So Zircon will raise any of our frigates to a qualitatively different level. After all, when the time of detection of such a missile will practically coincide with the time of its arrival - then what difference does it make how many lards does that aircraft carrier cost and what is the salary of the admiral?

    Thank you for joking, I perfectly understood that. But the joke, I must say, came to a place as an example.
    About boats KVF. You should not equate a missile traveling by an inertial guidance system and correcting its flight using an electronic map of the area, comparing its location with GLONASS and an electronic map and an anti-ship missile. The latter has a range of about 400-600 km (at least according to the commander of the KVF, said back in 2013, and even then there were real ranges that many journalists simply missed and ignored) the anti-ship missiles of the Pomeranian target were shot at a distance of 375 km. Even if this is not the full range.

    But, to get into a moving ship at a distance of 1500 km is frank stupidity. Due to errors in the inertial guidance system, the rocket will deviate by such a value that the ship simply does not fall into the range of the GOS. And she has a range, the GOS does not have hundreds of kilometers, it’s good if it’s 20-30 kilometers. And so far no one in the world has been able to compile electronic maps of the seas. so this is a usual journalistic sensation from the series “I heard a ring and don’t know where he is”.
    “Zircon” is yet to be used in nuclear cruisers. Use it on a frigate with 8 launchers - until this is reached. It turns out that arming the frigate with a pair of Zircons, we will leave it practically unarmed against everything else.
    In addition, I honestly do not think that the range of his flight will be so great, 1000 or more kilometers, as they say here. Do not forget that it will be launched from the launch of limited dimensions, which will fit both Onyx and Caliber. In order to reach hypersound he needs to have a ramjet, which will begin to work at supersonic speed. To reach supersonic he will need a powerful accelerator, which will gobble up a significant part of the launch space. No matter how powerful the fuel, its amount should be large enough for 1000 or more kilometers. And these are volumes, and therefore dimensions. Plus guidance tools with a capture range of not 20-30 km. This is again the dimensions, plus the BG. So I am inclined to the figure that once sounded, that its range will be about 450-500 km. And here the frigate has very, very significant problems. Deck AWACS barrage at a distance of 4 hundred kilometers from the aircraft carrier. The detection range of such a target as a frigate of the order of 500 km. And what happens? To reach the salvo range along the AUG, the frigate will have to go. Hundreds of three-four kilometers under the supervision of AWACs. Air defense, as you can’t put a frigate on cruisers, we don’t have systems comparable in terms of performance characteristics and weight and overall size with the same “Standard”. Especially in such quantities on the ship. Would the frigate not be a "tidbit" for AUG aviation? I'm afraid that will be. Shooting at ranges of 1000 or more will require external target designation. Question WHAT? so you shouldn’t make another “wunderwaffe” from Zircon. Yes, the use of hypersonic missiles will raise the striking power of the fleets to another level, but do not forget that our potential anti-missiles are working on the same ....