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Syrian T-62M withstood an anti-tank missile

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Video footage has been posted online showing how anti-tank guided missiles hit the T-62 tank of government forces in Syria. Armored vehicles of this type in January of the current year arrived in Tartus. Soon they began to take active participation in hostilities, including those conducted in the area of ​​the airbase Т4, located near Palmyra.

Storyboard drawn by "Messenger of Mordovia”, Allows you to carefully consider the incident. The position is on the T-62M tank, firing at the enemy. An ATGM enters a combat vehicle turret:

Syrian T-62M withstood an anti-tank missile


There is a powerful explosion. In the case of an old modification of the T-62, the crew was more likely to die. However, in this case, as one can assume, the rocket hit the ceramic-metal ceramic blocks installed on the tower, which significantly neutralized the penetrating power of the shaped charge. This protection is established during tank upgrades by the Syrians.



As a result, all three crew members left the armored vehicle tower. This video ends. It is safe to say that the driver remained unscathed.



According to military experts, there is a high probability that the tank received minor damage and after minor repairs will be able to take further part in the hostilities.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 6 February 2017 07: 35
    +13
    The main crew survived ...
    however, a blow was struck from the flank ... the infantry is not covering something, there are no observers, is not all this competent?
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 6 February 2017 07: 38
      +15
      T-62 "with Ilyich’s eyebrows" (ie Secretary General LI Brezhnev) for the Syrian army is the most.
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 February 2017 08: 00
        +12
        Quote: Zibelew
        T-62 "with Ilyich’s eyebrows"

        It would be better if the tanks were being prepared for dispatch, the “eyebrows” were removed, and instead of them the “box” mount would be welded to bring the tank to the T-62MV modification

        1. Marksman
          Marksman 6 February 2017 08: 11
          +2
          Again we pull the "gut" to Palmyra, while the SAA outpost (Tiyas or T4) under the fire is either Gradov, or even ATGM.

          About the observers. Try at 6 pm to look at objects from a distance of 1,5 km. And there the landscape is such that even in a tight approach. We need powerful thermal imagers, but they will not be deployed around a distant air base.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 6 February 2017 08: 14
            +5
            Try at 6 pm to look at objects from a distance of 1,5 km.


            Well, the PTURA gunner was able to do this ...
            I always thought and I think if the enemy was able to defeat you, it means that you didn’t finish something in your preparation ... either he will get you or you have him, there is no third.
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 February 2017 08: 19
              0
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Well, the PTURA gunner was able to do this ...

              If this is TOW, then there is electronics to help him, but if something from the “Soviet legacy” is decent optics, 1,5 km for such aiming devices is not a distance, even at dusk.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 6 February 2017 08: 32
                +1
                If this is TOW, then there is electronics to help him, but if something from the “Soviet legacy” is decent optics, 1,5 km for such aiming devices is not a distance, even at dusk.


                Is it all about electronics ...
                observers can be placed at a distance of 1-2km.
                A competent commander, when equipping a position, always calculates the sudden actions of the enemy and here, as they say, you want to live, know how to spin.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 6 February 2017 08: 37
                  +7
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  A competent commander, when equipping a position, always calculates the sudden actions of the enemy and here, as they say, you want to live, know how to spin.

                  Oh, there the diploma of most commanders is limited by the ability to count monetary profit in the mind. Until Assad brings the army into proper shape, and for this it would be time to introduce universal military service, and not be limited to "volunteers." I somehow don’t “smile” that our guys are fighting there, and die there when a lot of Syrian men live their lives in peace and “don’t blow a mustache” ...
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 6 February 2017 08: 49
                    +7
                    that our guys fight there, and die there when a lot of Syrian men live a peaceful life and "do not blow a mustache" ...

                    It will be worse if they begin to die somewhere in the CAUCASUS or TATARSTAN ... it is always better to fight on foreign territory, although this is cynical ... but it is still a real war without rules.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 6 February 2017 09: 13
                      +4
                      Quote: The same LYOKHA
                      it’s always better to fight on foreign territory, although this is cynical ... but it is still a real war without rules.

                      It’s yes, only here at our side “Kraina-U” started stirring again, we may need our strength at any moment, and EVERYTHING. It’s time to end already with this “abscess”.
          2. svp67
            svp67 6 February 2017 08: 16
            0
            Quote: Marksman
            Again we pull the "gut" to Palmyra, while the SAA outpost (Tiyas or T4) under the fire is either Gradov, or even ATGM.

            Is there another way to T4? Show...
            1. Marksman
              Marksman 6 February 2017 08: 22
              0
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Marksman
              Again we pull the "gut" to Palmyra, while the SAA outpost (Tiyas or T4) under the fire is either Gradov, or even ATGM.

              Is there another way to T4? Show...


              Maybe to Palmyra?
              Restore the “buffer” on the flanks. Although, apparently there are reasons not to do this. (It is necessary to defend them, preferably not by convicts, who crawled Palmyra)
              Ours, of course, is more visible on the spot.

              In which direction do not tread (and usually it is a village two a day), in the event of a serious counterattack, they are thrown quickly, driving at a frantic speed, not resting, organizedly resisting. Arab methods of warfare.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 6 February 2017 11: 43
                +1
                However, the very fact that Palmyra was "leaked" in almost a day. And it will take months to conquer probably 2 very indicative.
        2. pepel79
          pepel79 6 February 2017 12: 26
          +4
          The maximum thickness of the armor of the frontal part of the T-62 tower was 211 mm at an angle of inclination of 17 degrees. The frontal part of the hull is formed by two converging wedges of 100-mm armor plates: the upper one, located at an angle of 60 ° to the vertical and the lower, having an inclination of 55 °.
          T-62M (1983) the level of protection of the tower from BPS - 320 mm, from the COP - 400-450 mm.
          T-62MV (1985) - T-62M with mounted mounted dynamic protection and without additional armor protection of the tower and the hull. Contact-1 gives an increase in armor of not more than 250 mm (max). Resistance, taking into account 211 + 250 = 460 mm from the COP (only the forehead). In terms of BPS, the same level is 211. In addition to gaining weight, with a loss of resistance from BPS, the modification of the MV does not give anything (the combat weight of the T-62MV was 38,4 tons, the T-62M was 41,5) ...
          "TOW-2A" is designed to destroy armored vehicles equipped with dynamic protection.
          The rocket used the warhead of the tandem type. When a rocket hits the target, the auxiliary charge forms a cumulative stream, which triggers the dynamic protection of the armored object, and the cumulative stream of the main charge triggered by the track passes the defense unhindered, penetrating 850 mm (900 according to other sources) of homogeneous armor. Why the T-62MV is better than the T-62M ... I suppose I don’t see ... even the forehead of both modifications is not an obstacle for most missiles used at the Syrian theater of war. And the swept away DZ of Contact-1, after the first hit (the main cumulative part of the TOW-2A caliber 152 mm, weighing 6,12 kg of the warhead), will not lead to anything good.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 6 February 2017 13: 21
            +6
            Advertising is what for the Soviet (Russian) tanks !!! The leopards and the Abrams are on fire, and the old T-62M has lined up! Well, which tanks "customers" will peck? To hang on these old men a modern DZ and ... how many of these T-62s are in zashashniks !?
            And how they praised their 60-ton monsters, the best in all ratings - and it’s on how !!! Their groups do not dance next to the Soviet metallurgists !!! hi
            Honestly, delighted !!! From the same position, the Leopards and Abrams burned like matches. Now they will start about the fact that there is no DZ or something else - but who prevented them from hanging those tiles, like the Syrians. This is not even DZ. hi
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 February 2017 19: 53
              +1
              "And the old man T-62M sjudzhil" It was lucky for him that they hit the front of the tower - if the rocket hit a little to the left or below - the tank would blaze like a stack of dry hay.
    2. svp67
      svp67 6 February 2017 07: 45
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      however, a blow was struck from the flank ... the infantry is not covering something, there are no observers, is not all this competent?

      This is how the Syrians are fighting ... the Turks. We would not have forgotten how.
      1. Marksman
        Marksman 6 February 2017 08: 14
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        however, a blow was struck from the flank ... the infantry is not covering something, there are no observers, is not all this competent?

        This is how the Syrians are fighting ... the Turks. We would not have forgotten how.


        At the Turks, Israel-60 again slapped. But in fairness, the fire was not shown, as in the case of the t-62.

        An interesting work of the Mi-28 in Mosul appeared. Damn, Iraqis - handsome on our machines))
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 February 2017 08: 20
          0
          Quote: Marksman
          An interesting work of the Mi-28 in Mosul appeared. Damn, Iraqis - handsome on our machines))

          Handsome men, then they are handsome. But if only they wouldn’t fly up again under attack ...
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 6 February 2017 09: 01
          0
          An interesting work of the Mi-28 in Mosul appeared. Damn, Iraqis - handsome on our machines))


          hi please leave a link.
          1. Marksman
            Marksman 6 February 2017 19: 34
            0
            I don’t dare to twitter. Litter
        3. jonhr
          jonhr 6 February 2017 09: 04
          +1
          and Iraqis are handsome because the Americans used to train them on your machines or because the Americans used their tactics?
          I’m just curious, because so much was poured on the head of the Iraqis for the fact that they were trained by American instructors, and in the igile the backbone of the former Iraqi army was prepared by Soviet instructors, that I couldn’t pass by
          1. Stabilization
            Stabilization 6 February 2017 09: 48
            +2
            gasified a puddle) ... or threw a liquid?
          2. Stiletto_711
            Stiletto_711 6 February 2017 10: 53
            +8
            because the Americans trained them on your machines

            Sooo interesting! Iraqi pilots were trained at the Center for Combat Use of Army Aviation in Torzhok.
            There are Americans there ?! belay
            Sensation!!!
            1. jonhr
              jonhr 6 February 2017 16: 09
              0
              I'm talking about tactics, not about piloting. if you don’t see the difference, then I don’t see the point of talking
              1. Stiletto_711
                Stiletto_711 6 February 2017 19: 00
                +1
                Quote: jonhr
                I'm talking about tactics

                And what do you think train helicopter pilots at the center of combat use of army aviation? And what kind of unthinkable tactical delays did Iraqi helicopter pilots demonstrate?
                And in continuing the conversation with you, there really is little sense, you simply do not own the question.
                1. jonhr
                  jonhr 6 February 2017 20: 13
                  0
                  and about the delights you ask the one who considered Iraqis handsome
    3. Gray brother
      Gray brother 6 February 2017 08: 23
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      infantry does not cover something

      How will they cover him, with a breast or something?
      1. Marksman
        Marksman 6 February 2017 08: 33
        +4
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        infantry does not cover something

        How will they cover him, with a breast or something?


        If it weren’t for taking a picture around the campfire, but binoculars and SVD looked in 4 directions, it might be possible to reduce this risk. But this is so tiring, Rus-Rus will still bring tanks.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 6 February 2017 08: 45
          +3
          Quote: Marksman
          and binoculars and SVD looked in 4 directions,

          As a rule, the calculation of the anti-tank missile systems does not reach with the arrow - either too far, or one pipe sticks out.
          The observers with binoculars themselves bang.
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 6 February 2017 09: 05
        +1
        How will they cover him, with a breast or something?


        Well, if they believe that the resort is then worthless to such fighters ... the enemy is only for joy.
        I looked like how the Ishilov’s packaged Iraqi infantrymen couldn’t shoot ... I was shocked ... a man has weapons at hand ... grenades ... a head on his shoulders ... what else is needed for resistance ...
        No, they surrendered at the mercy of the enemy and were then ruthlessly shot ... go .. you and cowards.
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 6 February 2017 09: 46
      +4
      This is the local army. There, it is customary for all parties to stand with a power trap, for Leo users, for Abrash users, for Teshek users.

      There is something else. Black has set shock drones on the stream already. The snot carries 2x40mm grenades with a stabilizer cast = plus is thrown through the application (which considers the hit point). In the end, they cover the car from a good height.

      In Iraq already in 3 provinces. Use.

      Yesterday, they used Musin in DeZ - 1 the car was damaged, General Hasan was wounded and did not die miraculously (a splinter in his mobile phone was stuck in his heart), and the journalist was wounded.

      Film crew ANNA NEWS fired at in Deir ez-Zor, accompanying people wounded
      Today we again removed the positions of ISIS (terrorist organization banned in Russia) militants in the Deir ez-Zora cemetery. In response, the terrorists tried to take us down. Their small drone quite accurately threw a homemade bomb at our car. Mina exploded a meter from the car. The radiator and the front wheels are broken, the engine is damaged, which is quite problematic to fix in an environment.
      This time no one was hurt.
      We have changed our position. They launched a quadrocopter and began to point it at the militants. Our quadrocopter by mistake tried to bring down the Syrian soldiers, but missed and ceased fire after hearing an untranslatable pun in Russian and Arabic. Our friend General Hasan Arafat and the Syrian journalist Ahmad Hamdush helped us manage the device. In this moment the Islamic drone again found us and threw a bomb at 20 meters from the group. Gen. Hasan received shrapnel wounds in the stomach and leg, Ahmad - a fragment in the leg. The general was born "in a shirt." Another shard went into his heart, but having broken through the left chest pocket of the phone lying in it, he lost his mortal strength.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 6 February 2017 09: 58
        +1
        Black has set shock drones on the stream already. A snot carries a 2x40mm grenade with a stabilizer cast = plus is thrown through an application (which counts the hit point)


        Yes, recently I saw such a video ... so far no one has any means of counteraction other than small arms.
        If you immediately use several hundred of these drones in any area, the enemy’s life can be turned into hell.
      2. svp67
        svp67 6 February 2017 19: 04
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        There is something else. Black put shock drones on the stream already

        And why our "Repellent" will not be sent there for a run-in? Out of order ...
  2. 210ox
    210ox 6 February 2017 07: 36
    +1
    But to leave the position like not an option? Get away with the car. Or, in fact, in another way, the tank still got damaged. Although the main thing is that people are alive ..
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 6 February 2017 07: 40
      +10
      So it is a national Arab habit to leave the tank after any hit. Those who were interested in the first and second Chechen wars probably know and remember the photos and videos of repeated hits in our tanks, after which they all the same independently returned to the location of the units.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 6 February 2017 07: 41
      +1
      But to leave the position like not an option? Get away with the car


      It may not be in time for the rocket to fly ... in a few seconds to get a warning and return back there needs an experienced crew ... after all, there are no observers and nothing can be done here except to get a rocket into the barrel.
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 6 February 2017 07: 43
        +3
        210okv another had in mind - to move back after hitting
    3. svp67
      svp67 6 February 2017 07: 55
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      But to leave the position like not an option? Get away with the car. Or, in fact, in another way, the tank still got damaged. Although the main thing is that people are alive ..

      The crew must first be found and stopped. To figure out what is happening with the fur-water, and then at night to pull the tank out of position for repair.
      1. Marksman
        Marksman 6 February 2017 08: 34
        0
        Normal spirit will send a second rocket. There was nothing to drag at night.
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 February 2017 09: 01
          +1
          Quote: Marksman
          Normal spirit will send a second rocket. There was nothing to drag at night.

          Provided that this position is not covered by mortars now ... And even if it sends a second missile and even hits, then for the T-62 it may not be fatal, such a car ...
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 6 February 2017 16: 19
        0
        Quote: svp67
        pull out the tank from repair positions at night

        I strongly doubt that the Syrians will be able to repair the T-62M if the missile fell into the additional defense of the tower without supplying this additional protection from Russia.
        By the way, citizens tankers explain what kind of letters - S.P on delivered to Syria T-62M?
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 February 2017 16: 34
          +1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          By the way, citizens tankers explain what kind of letters - S.P. on the T-62M delivered to Syria?

          This is MYSTERY ... Although it is possible the city where the plant that modernized them was located is St. Petersburg. During my service on these “boxes”, tanks came to us after modernization in Leningrad, Kiev and Ussuriysk ... He arranged the cities according to our internal quality rating ...
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 6 February 2017 16: 51
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            Although it is possible the city where the plant was located where they modernized is St. Petersburg. During my service on these “boxes”, tanks came to us after modernization in Leningrad, Kiev and Ussuriysk ..

            Thanks for the version, this is quite a possible option about the city, I somehow did not think.
  3. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 6 February 2017 07: 39
    +8
    Quote: 210ox
    But to leave the position like not an option? Get away with the car. Or, in fact, in another way, the tank still got damaged. Although the main thing is that people are alive ..

    Arabs, including the Syrians, do all this. It is customary for us to take out burning machines from the battle, or send them to the enemy. At the slightest danger, they throw them. That's why ISIS has such a huge number of them.
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 6 February 2017 07: 49
      +5
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Arabs, including the Syrians, do all this. It is customary for us to take out burning machines from battle, or to direct them at the enemy. At the slightest danger, they abandon them.


      Yeah ... I never heard of the Arab Gastello, the Sailors ... You can’t argue against instinct! It’s just that the Arabs have their own Arab instinct, but we have our ...
      1. just exp
        just exp 6 February 2017 08: 01
        +5
        but when everyone comes to us, they go in gold and make themselves out of such real, all of them, Muscovites. but as it comes to battle, the Muscovites are turning, and he is turning into the one he was, into the Arab.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 6 February 2017 08: 08
        +1
        Quote: Jovanni
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Arabs, including the Syrians, do all this. It is customary for us to take out burning machines from battle, or to direct them at the enemy. At the slightest danger, they abandon them.


        Yeah ... I never heard of the Arab Gastello, the Sailors ... You can’t argue against instinct! It’s just that the Arabs have their own Arab instinct, but we have our ...

        They are historically nomads. And what to protect the nomad? Pasture? So it can be found elsewhere.
        1. Marksman
          Marksman 6 February 2017 08: 20
          +4
          Not in this case)
          Damascus was a huge developed city when we prayed to trees;)
          1. just exp
            just exp 6 February 2017 08: 32
            +6
            but there is an opinion that here we actually had cities and civilization went from the North.
            and this opinion has reason.
            1. Serg koma
              Serg koma 6 February 2017 09: 11
              +4
              Quote: just explo
              civilization went from the North.
              and this opinion has reason.

              Yes, yes, YOU ARE PERFECTLY RIGHT, this is exactly what the Ukrainian “scientists” “proved” in the theory of “ancient Ukrainians”)))))
              1. Zibelew
                Zibelew 6 February 2017 12: 48
                +5
                By the way, the Egyptian pyramids and sphinx were formed from the sand that the "ancient Ukrainians" poured when digging the foundation pit of the Black Sea.
              2. just exp
                just exp 6 February 2017 14: 05
                +3
                I didn’t read Bebik, but ancient myths, I read both Edda, Rigveda, Avesta, and just folklore like Shahname and a bunch of other myths, and I can say with confidence that all Indian mythology came out of Siberia, by the way read about Russian rivers with "Indian" names. and if you haven’t been blocked in Google or Yandex, then type "Tarim mummies" there. I can still write a lot of things, but this book will work out (if you try to cover at least a percentage of the whole topic)
                1. Usher
                  Usher 7 February 2017 23: 52
                  0
                  You are mistaken exactly the opposite))) The whole mythology of Eurasia came out of India. Just a note, where is it easier to live in harsh Siberia or where it is warm all year round, is there an ocean and two three crops a year?
          2. jonhr
            jonhr 6 February 2017 09: 08
            0
            the fact is that for technology the bosses will die and therefore. and the Arabs do not have such problems
      3. Scoun
        Scoun 6 February 2017 09: 28
        +6
        Quote: Jovanni
        Yeah ... I never heard of the Arab Gastello, the Sailors ... You can’t argue against instinct!

        You blew bubbles right into the puddle ... but didn’t hear about the babahomobiles and didn’t hear about the suicide bombers?
        Yes, they have a perverted consciousness and a perverted vision of the world, but this is their vision and they are ready to die for it. In general, less pathos, our Marine, Andrei Timoshenkov died at the hands of an Arab who blew himself up in a car.


        https://youtu.be/3ptH1t28ffU
      4. IvanDMB89
        IvanDMB89 6 February 2017 15: 59
        0
        they have a "Gastello" - consumables - dozens die in martyr’s mobiles, in the Donbas, such would
    2. AID.S
      AID.S 6 February 2017 09: 20
      +2
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Arabs, including Syrians, all do this.

      And aren’t the Arabs against them, including the Syrians fighting? Why don't the broads scatter and abandon the technique?
  4. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 6 February 2017 07: 41
    +6
    Where are the screeching howling that our technology is bastard? am Boschi would have torn off angry
    1. jonhr
      jonhr 6 February 2017 09: 11
      +3
      there is a movie where the t-54 got tou. the rocket went on top. just a happy occasion. and here is the same case
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 6 February 2017 19: 40
        0
        Quote: jonhr
        just a happy occasion. and here is the same case

        but to say that the tank doesn’t allow a good religion or what? lover of wallowing in the mud?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 February 2017 20: 10
          +1
          The T-62 is a really good tank. In Israel, he was rated very highly. Mainly - his offensive capabilities: 115 mm gun with powerful OBSAMi, chassis. What he lacked was a reservation.
          They were afraid that in the next tank the armor would be strengthened, and the main weapon of the Israelis was 105 mm cum. shells of the Centurions and Patton will become ineffective.
          But instead of reinforcing the armor, they made a charge automatic ... on the T-72. But the T-80 did not get to the Middle East to the great relief of Israel.
          1. igor67
            igor67 6 February 2017 23: 11
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The T-62 is a really good tank. In Israel, he was rated very highly. Mainly - his offensive capabilities: 115 mm gun with powerful OBSAMi, chassis. What he lacked was a reservation.
            They were afraid that in the next tank the armor would be strengthened, and the main weapon of the Israelis was 105 mm cum. shells of the Centurions and Patton will become ineffective.
            But instead of reinforcing the armor, they made a charge automatic ... on the T-72. But the T-80 did not get to the Middle East to the great relief of Israel.
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 6 February 2017 23: 35
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The T-62 is a really good tank. ... They were afraid that in the next tank the armor would be strengthened ... But instead of reinforcing the armor, an automatic machine was made ... on the T-72

            - You forgot sixty-four request
            - my favorite ... a beautiful car ... but moody .. like, however, any woman request

            1. cat hippopotamus
              cat hippopotamus 7 February 2017 19: 38
              0
              64 ka is the only tank that has never been exported for well-known reasons, the engine there is a boxer. There was a regiment with T-64 in our garrison, then they were changed to T-80. The windows of my room overlooked the boxes, 30 meters before them. So when they drove 64ku, the glass rattled and there was a rumble, this is the 3rd floor. When 80s later appeared, there was a whistle in the apartment, as if the plane had flown, well, there were turbines there.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 7 February 2017 19: 43
                0
                Quote: cat hippo
                ... when they expelled 64, the glass rattled and there was a rumble, this is the 3 floor. When then came 80ki then there was a whistle ...

                - yeah ... and when the battalion in boxing starts, have you never been?
                - really funny ... we often happened, checks, damn it ...

                T-80 with GTD which is a separate issue ... the first time I saw it - ofigel: a car is coming at you ... silently ... the front of the engine is not audible at all belay

                As they say, live forever, at least study, at least not ... and you will die all one laughing

                Quote: cat hippo
                ... the engine is opposite there ..

                - "mother, mother, mother ...", the echo habitually echoed (s)
                - This is wrecking, not an engine. IMHO, yes yes
        2. jonhr
          jonhr 6 February 2017 20: 18
          0
          The t-34 was also a good tank, but its time passed like the time of the t-62, and this should be taken as it is, and not ascribe superpowers to a morally obsolete machine. it is safe to say that the tou breaks the t-62 in any projection and this is reality. just compare the number of tanks that survived the attack with the birds and which were all the same knocked out. the picture ceases to be so rosy
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 7 February 2017 00: 22
            +1
            The same picture is on the PR tanks.
            1. jonhr
              jonhr 7 February 2017 16: 28
              0
              Do I deny that any technique can be destroyed?
              1. Incvizitor
                Incvizitor 7 February 2017 22: 45
                0
                That is, in fact, almost all tanks are now morally obsolete, the future belongs to KAZ, which KAZ survives.
  5. svp67
    svp67 6 February 2017 07: 44
    +2
    Well, the modern Russian army encountered this “phenomenon” in the second Chechen one, when it turned out that the losses among the crews of the T-62 tanks, part of Colonel Budanov, were smaller than those of more modern vehicles. In the analysis, it was possible to establish that here the greater internal volume of this tank was of great importance when the cumulative pestle, when penetrated, simply did not find the victim in its path or the victim was single.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 February 2017 07: 52
      +1
      If such powerful projectiles hit, everything will die there from changes in temperature and pressure ... most likely the missile fell into the tool box on the armor. From this angle, the ATGM will break through the tower of any tank.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 6 February 2017 08: 06
        +4
        Quote: Zaurbek
        , there and so everyone will die from changes in temperature and pressure

        There is neither one nor the other.
        But there was a shell shell there the whole crew, because their hatches were open ..
      2. Mik13
        Mik13 6 February 2017 08: 06
        +7
        Quote: Zaurbek
        If such powerful shells hit, everything will die there from changes in temperature and pressure ...

        Christmas trees are green, but how are you all sick of this nonsense about pressure and temperature drops ...

        Because of such idiotic tales, the crews drive with open hatches. And they die ...
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 6 February 2017 08: 12
          0
          Are fragments from the inside also invented ?. And do not compare the RPG-7 shell with a 152mm ATGM TOU or Cornet. There the charge is two to three times more ....
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 February 2017 08: 23
            +2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Are fragments from the inside also invented ?. And do not compare the RPG-7 shell with a 152mm ATGM TOU or Cornet. There the charge is two to three times more ....

            The entire charge of the ATGM goes into the formation of the pestle, fragments of the aluminum shell remain outside the tank body. Upon breaking through the armor, the pestle very quickly loses its lethal force and the greater the distance it passes in open space, the stronger. In the T-62, this distance is enough, unlike our other tanks.
            1. aba
              aba 6 February 2017 09: 02
              +2
              Upon breaking through the armor, the pestle very quickly loses its lethal force and the greater the distance it travels in open space, the stronger.
              In the 80s from MVTU they were in a museum in Kubinka, so the guide showed us the Israeli M-60, whose tower was pierced by ATGM from the sides. So the guide still joked that the rocket was defective.
              1. svp67
                svp67 6 February 2017 09: 17
                0
                Quote: aba
                In the 80s from MVTU they were in a museum in Kubinka, so the guide showed us the Israeli M-60, whose tower was pierced by ATGM from the sides.

                Everyone happens
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 6 February 2017 09: 46
                +1
                Check out the Reception issue about grenade launchers. The cumulative jet of 50 meters still affects.
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 6 February 2017 09: 50
              0
              At the back of the turret shells ....
        2. jonhr
          jonhr 6 February 2017 09: 43
          0
          ok you are so smart. Tell me, what is more dangerous in the detonation of ammunition fragments or shock wave?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 6 February 2017 10: 06
            0
            Red-hot fragments and a shock wave and a cumulative stream .... At least one observant person ...
            Although not detonation is terrible, it is ignition of charges in the combat unit.
      3. svp67
        svp67 6 February 2017 08: 09
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        If such powerful shells hit, everything will die there from changes in temperature and pressure ....
        Yes, it turns out that no. True, hatches were kept open for this, but in the T-62 the chances of squeezing out, when penetrated, are MUCH MORE than in the T-64,72,80 and 90 ...
        Quote: Zaurbek
        From this angle, the ATGM will break through the tower of any tank.

        Not a fact, since, in the overwhelming majority, old tank modifications are fighting there, it is not known how more "fresh" modifications will behave
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 6 February 2017 08: 13
          0
          Check out the latest videos about Abrams and Leo. Hitting the same angle.
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 February 2017 08: 24
            +1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Check out the latest videos about Abrams and Leo.

            Look at WHAT modifications these tanks. They are all outdated, there are no new ones.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 6 February 2017 09: 43
              +6
              The oldest obrams and Leo2, more modern and more powerful than the T-62M and two times heavier ....
              1. svp67
                svp67 6 February 2017 09: 55
                0
                Quote: Zaurbek
                The oldest obrams and Leo2, more modern and more powerful than the T-62M and two times heavier ....

                Well, experience shows that this is not always a positive quality. Moreover, if we also take the geometrical dimensions into comparison ... the T-62 is simple, only the T-55 is simpler ... almost everything that breaks down there can either be quickly repaired or replaced, unlike the M1 and Leo ...
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 6 February 2017 10: 09
                  +1
                  We are arguing about resistance to cumulative ammunition. But in tanks like Abrams, the crew can be in comfortable conditions for a long time, which is important for inactive combat operations.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 6 February 2017 10: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    We are arguing about resistance to cumulative ammunition. But in tanks like Abrams, the crew can be in comfortable conditions for a long time, which is important for inactive combat operations.

                    Both are true. It is also true that the Abrams is far from being the most protected tank. It is full of "weak" places ...
                    And on the account of this case, there is already a hit video. For me, this happened not in T-62 TOWER, but in the NADGUSENICHNY regiment ... Which is great changing the initial conditions.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 6 February 2017 10: 16
                      +1
                      about what I’m saying. The rear of the tower is not the most durable place in the tank (besides without DZ)
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 6 February 2017 10: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        The rear of the tower is not the most durable place in the tank (besides without DZ)

                        In this case, the hit was in the FRONT part, or rather, almost in the center of the case.
                    2. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 6 February 2017 17: 30
                      +1
                      "NOT IN TOWER T-62, but in the NADGUSENICHNY regiment ... Which is great changing the initial conditions" ////

                      It seems like that. At the side of the tower - everyone but the driver would die.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 6 February 2017 17: 56
                        0
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        It seems like that. At the side of the tower - everyone but the driver would die.

                        No, in this case there is too much punching to be done ... and the main armor is still almost a meter.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 February 2017 10: 03
      +3
      But the analysis did not show that Budanov used the tanks more competently than other commanders?
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 February 2017 10: 08
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        But the analysis did not show that Budanov used the tanks more competently than other commanders?

        In that war, there were already plenty of competent tank commanders ... the first quickly set their brains straight. Which of course does not cancel Colonel Budanov’s military talent. He made excellent use of the identified positive qualities of the T-62 ...
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 6 February 2017 10: 11
          0
          If we look at the statistics of drug losses in both Chechen wars, almost an equal number of military personnel died.
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 February 2017 11: 17
            0
            Quote: Zaurbek
            If we look at the statistics of drug losses in both Chechen wars, almost an equal number of military personnel died.

            Yes it is. On the other side, too, they also learned to fight, and not only with machine guns. The result is completely different. And we were fighting as in the first, then the losses would be MUCH more.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 February 2017 20: 18
      +2
      The after-effects of cum-jet are much higher than that of OBPS. Large internal volume saves less. Rather, shells and charges need to be hidden behind partitions, in cases, etc.
      There will be no detonation, but the crew anyway dies from the kumma in most cases.
      These tankers were lucky (up to 120 years old!)
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 February 2017 07: 51
    +2
    Syrian T-62M withstood an anti-tank missile

    Only +++.
  7. Gray brother
    Gray brother 6 February 2017 07: 56
    +5
    . This protection is established during the modernization of tanks by Syrian forces.

    Yes, shield you say ... wassat
    1. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 6 February 2017 09: 18
      +4
      This is in Krasnoyarsk on Vavilova Street ... And on the right is the T-34-85, I didn’t get into the frame ...

    2. jonhr
      jonhr 6 February 2017 16: 15
      0
      This is not the most successful modernization as it turned out. the center of mass of everyday life has shifted forward
  8. mitrich
    mitrich 6 February 2017 08: 01
    +1
    Quote: The same Lech
    The main crew survived ...
    however, a blow was struck from the flank ... the infantry is not covering something, there are no observers, is not all this competent?

    I agree with you. It’s like at shooting ranges, from a stationary position, there is no cover from the flanks. Are the years of war and casualties not taught? It’s good that the defense is hung, and the equipment and crew are intact.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 6 February 2017 08: 10
      +1
      And what will losses teach? Russia will send tanks anyway.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 February 2017 08: 14
        +1
        Losses will lead to the fact that tankers will not remain and raw crews will go into battle ...
  9. free
    free 6 February 2017 08: 45
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Zaurbek
    If such powerful shells hit, everything will die there from changes in temperature and pressure ....
    Yes, it turns out that no. True, hatches were kept open for this, but in the T-62 the chances of squeezing out, when penetrated, are MUCH MORE than in the T-64,72,80 and 90 ...
    Quote: Zaurbek
    From this angle, the ATGM will break through the tower of any tank.

    Not a fact, since, in the overwhelming majority, old tank modifications are fighting there, it is not known how more "fresh" modifications will behave


    maybe go to the 62nd again, well, these t-90s?
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 6 February 2017 08: 58
      +2
      T-14 is just a kind of step in this direction, but at a different level. The spiral of evolution ... T-62 - the last classic medium tank. T-72, T-80, T-90 - the legacy of the concept of T-64 - a heavy tank in medium size, hence the dense layout.
    2. novel66
      novel66 6 February 2017 09: 26
      +2
      thirty four !!!!
  10. Smoked
    Smoked 6 February 2017 08: 57
    +2
    There is an old article about the second Chechen war, a regiment from the Siberian district on the T-62. There, too, the ATGM flew into the tower, the breech struck, everyone is alive. As they wrote, thanks to the large internal volume, everything ended happily.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 February 2017 09: 53
      0
      There was an article about the T-80 which withstood 7 hits of anti-tank weapons
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 6 February 2017 10: 23
        0
        I remember BMPshka with 5 hits.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 6 February 2017 10: 28
          0
          The people in the BMP were very lucky or defective ammunition ....
        2. jonhr
          jonhr 6 February 2017 16: 17
          0
          she didn’t take off vertically? they simply didn’t get into the engine and therefore remained on the move. it’s only surprising why it didn’t catch fire
  11. sergei1975
    sergei1975 6 February 2017 09: 13
    0
    Without an automatic loader, the T-62 holds a better blow than earlier versions of the T-72.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 February 2017 10: 18
      0
      In the T-62, shells are in the tower, and in the T-72 under the tower.
  12. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 6 February 2017 09: 36
    +4
    Quote: Scoun
    Quote: Jovanni
    Yeah ... I never heard of the Arab Gastello, the Sailors ... You can’t argue against instinct!

    You blew bubbles right into the puddle ... but didn’t hear about the babahomobiles and didn’t hear about the suicide bombers?
    Yes, they have a perverted consciousness and a perverted vision of the world, but this is their vision and they are ready to die for it. In general, less pathos, our Marine, Andrei Timoshenkov died at the hands of an Arab who blew himself up in a car.


    https://youtu.be/3ptH1t28ffU

    Here the death of our marine showed it clearly. Although this video does not correspond to that event. You don’t know how to die do not gossip. He tried to break into the city where the escort gum was standing. And he stopped him from the RPG, almost point blank. When the Arabs fled from he was approaching the approaching suicide bomber. Although his comrades were with him, he ordered him to leave .. After death, so don’t need to pee! Not a single thinking person will die voluntarily. They are pumped up with drugs and zombified for months.
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 February 2017 09: 46
      +4
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Not a single sane person will die voluntarily; they are pumped with drugs, and they are zombified for months.

      What about our marine? What did they pump it up and zombie with? But Matrosova, Gasstelo and thousands of ordinary Soviet guys and girls in that war? And the Japanese, when they went to the "kamikaze", "kukusuytai", "blue tokkotai", "fukuru", "giretsu kutebutai" and other suicide squads ...?
    2. 3officer
      3officer 6 February 2017 12: 11
      +6
      Deputy politician or what? The same “PR specialists” from the Moscow Region parasitize on real events, - “And he stopped him from the RPG, almost point blank. When the Arabs fled from the approaching suicide bomber, he alone met him.” -
      typical "bear service" and defamation. By the way, in the video, a Syrian in a pickup truck with a charger didn’t run away and died along with a marine.
    3. jonhr
      jonhr 6 February 2017 16: 20
      +1
      this is what distinguishes a person with values. everyone is afraid, but some may step over it. Unfortunately, the values ​​are not perfect and are different. someone is ready to die for others, and someone to kill others
  13. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 6 February 2017 09: 53
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Not a single sane person will die voluntarily; they are pumped with drugs, and they are zombified for months.

    What about our marine? What did they pump it up and zombie with? But Matrosova, Gasstelo and thousands of ordinary Soviet guys and girls in that war? And the Japanese, when they went to the "kamikaze", "kukusuytai", "blue tokkotai", "fukuru", "giretsu kutebutai" and other suicide squads ...?

    Do not dare to equalize the Russian soldier and the Muslim fanatic. Who did not want to die. If you do not know how we are different, then what to talk to you about?
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 February 2017 10: 15
      +7
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Do not dare to equalize the Russian soldier and the Muslim fanatic. Who did not want to die. If you do not know how we are different, then what to talk to you about?

      And you, slow down ... They talk normally with you and you should not fall into "patriotic ecstasy" when you simply cannot prove your point. And I am very affectionate ...
      You didn’t think about why DAISH is not only impossible to crush, it’s also spreading all over the world. What is the same DRUGS and ZOMBIES? It is high time for us to understand and admit that they have the STRONGEST IDEOLOGY. And until we defeat her, we will not defeat Daesh ....
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 6 February 2017 11: 04
        0
        Teach history. During different periods of time, “strong” ideologies arose for fulfilling certain tasks. This task has been accomplished. The truth will have to be fought in terms of Syria’s survival, but don’t hesitate, we have the president and the Minister of Defense who are not fools. Russians were what they are, they will remain so under any authority. I saw the Syrians, I know them not by hearsay. I didn’t have to fight with them, but my commander took part in the battles. It’s true in the Soviet division, but with direct transfer of experience, as it was mediator .. And not very flattering spoke about their participation in the battles.
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 February 2017 11: 19
          0
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          And what the Russians were, they will remain so, under any authority.

          God give it.
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          And he didn’t speak very flattering about their participation in the battles.

          You have not heard that our current advisers are talking about this army .... To say the least - "too much NOT PRINTED"
      2. Alex Name
        Alex Name 7 February 2017 14: 25
        +1
        I agree: IDEALOGY - this is what moves the mind of every person! Achieve GREAT VALUES, and not what we now have: CONSUMPTION !!! The media is zombies. Advertising - shopping (drug). History - as I want, so I write (Ukrainians built the pyramids of Cheops - Ukrainian historian of Chernigov blood)
  14. Bronevick
    Bronevick 6 February 2017 10: 32
    +1
    The tank chose a very poor position for firing.
  15. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 6 February 2017 12: 20
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    You have not heard that our current advisers are talking about this army .... To say the least - "too much NOT PRINTED"

    THE HERITAGE TRADITION HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED! These, too, must have been praying in the tank, and they missed the beat.
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 6 February 2017 17: 26
    +1
    "the missile fell into the ceramic-metal blocks installed on the tower, which significantly neutralize the breakdown power of the cumulative charge. This protection is established during the modernization of tanks by Syrian forces" ////

    What kind of blocks are these? "Metal-ceramic" ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 February 2017 17: 31
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      What kind of blocks are these? "Metal-ceramic" ..

      Additional mounted, spaced multi-layer armor ... on the tower, the so-called "eyebrows"

      Inside, something like this
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 February 2017 18: 46
        +1
        Thanks for the explanation.
      2. jonhr
        jonhr 6 February 2017 20: 23
        +2
        inside the eyebrows was the armor as well as the main one. these eyebrows are cast and they began to set in Afghanistan when they realized that the t-62 is not as tenacious as it seemed at first
        1. svp67
          svp67 8 February 2017 16: 03
          +1
          Quote: jonhr
          these eyebrows are cast and they began to set in Afghanistan when they realized

          You know, I had to serve on this modification of the T-62. So, I can say with full confidence that a hundred "eyebrows" are NOT CAST, but rolled-welded ....
          1. jonhr
            jonhr 8 February 2017 21: 24
            0
            above there is a photo of these rolled-welded eyebrows. and a visual inspection shows that they are still cast smile
  17. Radikal
    Radikal 6 February 2017 22: 45
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    A competent commander, when equipping a position, always calculates the sudden actions of the enemy and here, as they say, you want to live, know how to spin.

    Oh, there the diploma of most commanders is limited by the ability to count monetary profit in the mind. Until Assad brings the army into proper shape, and for this it would be time to introduce universal military service, and not be limited to "volunteers." I somehow don’t “smile” that our guys are fighting there, and die there when a lot of Syrian men live their lives in peace and “don’t blow a mustache” ...

    Moreover, judging by the picture, the engine in the tank remained intact, but the crew skipped it, instead of passing it back to avoid a second shot, thereby saving the car. This perfectly characterizes the level of professional training, and the psychological stability of the crews of Syrian tanks.
  18. Alex Name
    Alex Name 7 February 2017 13: 00
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Oh, there the diploma of most commanders is limited by the ability to count monetary profit in the mind

    Guy, LOOKED IN YOUR WALLET and spared the money that he paid for TSSH?
  19. Alex Name
    Alex Name 7 February 2017 13: 35
    +1
    T-64: "Turtle" from the 70s by chance is not he? (No catch !!! In Czechoslovakia, I saw something by accident - I climbed out of boxing, the Czechs got into trouble!)
  20. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 7 February 2017 19: 19
    0
    The car survived, it’s good, but why did the crew leave the tank?