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Lukashenko is going to withdraw Belarus from the EAEU and the CSTO

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The Regnum news agency reports that the President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, is considering the possibility of Belarus withdrawing from the Eurasian Economic Union and the Collective Security Treaty Organization. Belarusian official sources do not confirm such information at the moment.


Lukashenko is going to withdraw Belarus from the EAEU and the CSTO


Recall that the cooling of relations between Minsk and Moscow occurred after Belarus unilaterally switched to paying for hydrocarbons supplied from the Russian Federation, not at a contract price, but at a price that Minsk itself determined. As soon as Moscow declared to Minsk about the need to move away from such practices, the Belarusian authorities set out a position on the possibility of a sharp increase in transit duties for pumping Russian oil to Europe. As a result, after lengthy negotiations, a certain consensus was achieved by the parties, but the conflict was not fully settled.

Moscow decided to reduce the volume of oil supplies to Belarus at preferential prices, motivating it by the fact that the volumes purchased by Minsk clearly exceed the needs of the Republic of Belarus in “black gold”. On the eve, the Belarusian media published a statement that oil “exists in Belarus itself, and it can last for 35 years, that's just hydrocarbon production, as well as Belarusian gold and diamonds (and they also exist ...) is not profitable yet” .

In the agency Regnum it is reported that if Minsk really intends to make a decision on leaving the EEU and the CSTO, then Moscow is not going to object. At the same time, it is said that it is unlikely that the demarche of Minsk (if such is really planned) takes into account the interests of the people of Belarus.
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  1. VSZMK
    VSZMK 2 February 2017 11: 39
    +69
    the production of hydrocarbons, as well as Belarusian gold and diamonds (and they also exist ...) is still unprofitable

    While there are enough shrimps and lobsters from the Belarusian sea.
    1. Caa
      Caa 2 February 2017 11: 49
      +109
      Even if this sea was, then where to put it all later? Where's the milk? And where are the trucks, buses, agricultural machinery? Where is the rest? What then will fuel be made of, at what price will it come, and to whom will it be sold?

      The answer is simple to disgrace: de facto, Belarus is a part of Russia - we are tied up economically tightly. And not the recognition of this, and even more so the attempt to break the system - speaks only about one thing: someone was firmly seized by the balls.

      No one seriously thinks that the “earned” lies in billions of cash or in Belarusian banks? No, it's in western banks. And once there must come a moment of departure. But how, when and with what content is up to the owners of these banks to decide. The bottom line is that someone is tired and leaves the only possible green corridor to take away the accumulated.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 2 February 2017 11: 53
        +13
        Quote: caa
        leaves the only possible green corridor to take away the accumulated

        You don’t need a bow in the west, they will quickly identify him in the jail.
        1. Caa
          Caa 2 February 2017 11: 57
          +52
          All that is needed west of Belarus: to draw resources from Russia as much as possible, and then break off relations. Of course, none of the Belvlast authorities is needed by the West. They will simply be allowed to use the withdrawn funds. Do you think this is not enough?)))
          1. DenZ
            DenZ 2 February 2017 13: 25
            +4
            Quote: caa
            Of course, none of the Belvlast authorities is needed by the West. They will simply be allowed to use the withdrawn funds. Do you think this is not enough?)))

            No, we don’t think. We just think that in order to rob Belarus, the West will have an ideal option and how much money (in Western banks) there doesn’t matter.
            1. Arh
              Arh 2 February 2017 13: 35
              +9
              Lukashenko got excited negative
              1. askort154
                askort154 2 February 2017 13: 51
                +46
                Arh ...... Lukashenko got excited negative


                The blackmailer is bluffing, as always. The throw through the media without official confirmation and is awaiting the Kremlin’s reaction. He understands perfectly well that without feeding Russia, his “miracle economy” will be blown away overnight. I forgot how, after the last election, the Russian Federation pumped 3,5 billion dl. Into it in order to save the “bunnies” falling to the plinth and its populist promises. Lukash is not a friend, he is a "gopnik".
                1. Arh
                  Arh 2 February 2017 13: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: askort154
                  Arh ...... Lukashenko got excited negative


                  The blackmailer is bluffing, as always. The throw through the media without official confirmation and is awaiting the Kremlin’s reaction. He understands perfectly well that without feeding Russia, his “miracle economy” will be blown away overnight. I forgot how, after the last election, the Russian Federation pumped 3,5 billion dl. Into it in order to save the “bunnies” falling to the plinth and its populist promises. Lukash is not a friend, he is a "gopnik".


                  Clear
                2. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 2 February 2017 16: 39
                  +5
                  askort

                  And what is the problem in the economy?
                  It seems to work tentatively for Russia. Payment, the same green. Raw dependence on Russia.
                  Something to sell to the west is difficult.
                  So why all these disputes?

                  Maybe the problem is in the very schemes of these allied agreements between Russia and Belarus? Maybe there that is not balanced?

                  In general, talking about contracts under capitalism is nonsense. How can we agree on something if the system is based on competition?

                  It seems that in the union treaties, something does not matter and it is necessary to carefully adjust it.
              2. Roman 11
                Roman 11 2 February 2017 15: 03
                +5
                Quote: Arh
                Lukashenko got excited

                Yes, let them roll on all 4, .... sausage.

                So much for the fraternal patriotic feelings - it’s worth it — all this at the prices of hydrocarbons laughing

                one brotherly people, we defend Russia with our breasts, etc. good
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 2 February 2017 15: 55
            +15
            Quote: caa
            draw resources from Russia as much as possible, and then break off relations. Of course, none of the Belvlast authorities is needed by the West. They will simply be allowed to use the withdrawn funds.

            So that’s the trick: Moscow doesn’t let resources drag itself out anymore. 3 years ago, Luka would give a discount which he asks for and still give a loan. Today, even blackmail with the CSTO does not work. Do you want to be an ally? You will be like Ukraine. We will carry oil with tankers, and at 19 will be SP-2.
            Honestly, I feel sorry for the simple Belarusians who became hostage to Bati. I didn’t think that he would completely move his mind when he was old.
        2. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 2 February 2017 11: 59
          +43
          Quotation: blooded man
          Luke is not needed in the west,

          in the west, Belarus itself is needed .... the borders with the Russian Federation .... so the old man is sitting for the last term ... then the Maidan (without blood) -eurointegration-aggravation with the RF-enemy No. 1 of the RF-and then Lukashenko is not at all to blame. ..the Kremlin’s faults are to blame .... they scoured Ukraine, now they scour the Belarusians ... and they will rub us that the people love us there ... only there is no power .... we look and remember!
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 2 February 2017 12: 22
            +78
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            the Kremlin looters are to blame here .... they profiled Ukraine, now they profound Belarusians

            What do you think should be "kremleputy" so as not to "profo" Belarusians. Non-repayable loans in time to give when Belarusians run out of money? Or silently swallow all the fun stuff like smuggling, uncoordinated entry of visa-free, "support" in the international arena. Or maybe buy products from Belarusians to the detriment of their own producers? Won't crack?
            1. Alex_Tug
              Alex_Tug 2 February 2017 12: 30
              +32
              What do you think should do “kremleputy” so as not to “fool” Belarusians?

              As in Ukraine, to prepare pro-Russian patriots is the fifth column. Already seen enough color revolutions. It is necessary to adopt experience.
              1. Winnie76
                Winnie76 2 February 2017 12: 43
                +14
                Quote: Alex_Tug
                As in Ukraine, to prepare pro-Russian patriots is the fifth column.

                I am very glad that the leadership was smart enough not to deal with this muck. It is disgusting, unethical, inefficient and will not lead to anything good. Do you propose how the United States arrange color revolutions, drown neighboring countries in blood?
                1. Alex_Tug
                  Alex_Tug 2 February 2017 12: 51
                  +32
                  I certainly do not propose drowning in blood, but a pro-Russian electorate is also needed for the presidential election. If Protestant Westerners drive Lukashenko to Smolensk, then there will still be elections. Here, observers and polite people should already be ready. Breed on opposite sides of the barricades. We must already prepare, Old Man's head goes.
                2. Rastas
                  Rastas 3 February 2017 20: 55
                  0
                  In the sense of unethical and inefficient? it’s just the most ethical one, to create an attractive image of your country abroad among a simple layman, to create organizations that are engaged in this propaganda, attract to work and study. and Russia, in relation to Ukraine, was harassed and acted inefficiently, no lessons have been done since 2004. It’s just that the Russian authorities are used to negotiating with anti-people’s elites, buying them, believing that ordinary people are incapable of anything. but it turned out not, and the tranche did not help Yanukovych, because he was already bankrupt for the Ukrainians. In general, the most correct way is to engage in the fight against the 5th column inside the country - corruption, nepotism, social injustice, and then the rest will reach us.
                3. Sergey777
                  Sergey777 7 February 2017 06: 26
                  +2
                  Dear, you are fundamentally wrong. Examples;
                  1st- Aunt Nuland (representative of one great country) brought a packet of rolls to the square and walked with TV cameras to distribute them to suffering activists! :)
                  The whole world now knows that there is a country that can give buns or cookies for free (as you like, as far as I can, it’s handing out some hell of a kakut to people).
                  2nd example Another (no less great) country tumbled down as it turns out in a neighboring (fraternal) country over 25 billion Baku people in 200 years and no one knew about it, neither the "brotherly" people nor their inhabitants.
                  The conclusion is, who gave the buns is good, and who dumped a bunch of dough into the "fraternal people" and in the literal sense did not let go of hunger in difficult times with a quilted jacket and an occupier.
                  Here is such a sad story, but you are vile and not ethical, you need to think deeper my friend, deeper! wassat hi
              2. operrus
                operrus 2 February 2017 15: 42
                +5
                As you do not understand, they will not give a head to the Republic of Belarus to raise pro-Russian forces, there they give people of Russian citizens to other states because their position does not coincide with the position of the leadership of the Republic of Belarus, and you say to prepare pro-Russian forces. Lukashenko has a monopoly on how to hate Russia and love. So it won’t work for us to cook anyone
            2. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 2 February 2017 13: 55
              +6
              Quote: Winnie76
              then in your opinion should do "kremleputy" so as not to "profan" Belarus

              work with potential deputy opposition ....
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 2 February 2017 15: 41
                +8
                Quote: Tiksi-3
                Quote: Winnie76
                then in your opinion should do "kremleputy" so as not to "profan" Belarus

                work with potential deputy opposition ....

                Maybe it’s easier to pin down the eggs to the Regnum so that they would place less desa for the sake of the long-standing Armenian dream of a horseman and a horse, where the Armenians see themselves as riders and the Russian Federation as a horse, and believe that the Bolivar will not bear two.
                1. Alikos
                  Alikos 3 February 2017 05: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Semurg
                  Quote: Tiksi-3
                  Quote: Winnie76
                  then in your opinion should do "kremleputy" so as not to "profan" Belarus

                  work with potential deputy opposition ....

                  Maybe it’s easier to pin down the eggs to the Regnum so that they would place less desa for the sake of the long-standing Armenian dream of a horseman and a horse, where the Armenians see themselves as riders and the Russian Federation as a horse, and believe that the Bolivar will not bear two.


                  Armenian provocations ... Well, then it is not surprising. Anything can be expected from these
              2. vovanpain
                vovanpain 2 February 2017 16: 54
                +9
                Quote: Tiksi-3
                work with potential deputy opposition ....

                As you know, deputies, even oppositionists, at least some, really like to be friends for green dollars or Eureka, will you pay from your pocket? If from your own, for God's sake yes If from the state treasury, then stop money is also needed in Russia.
            3. Stas157
              Stas157 2 February 2017 14: 01
              +11
              Quote: Winnie76
              What do you think should be "kremleputy" so as not to "profo" Belarusians.

              Stop buying relationships for oil and loans. If we would trade oil and gas with our allies at market prices, this would save us from many problems! And the relationship would be built in a natural way, and not according to the "mother-baby" scheme.
              Quote: Winnie76
              Or maybe buy products from Belarusians to the detriment of their own producers? Won't crack?

              What Belarusian products do we take to the detriment of our own manufacturers ?? Yes, with the help of Belarus, we are expanding the domestic market of the vehicle! No, of course there is an option, like North Korea - we buy only what we produce ourselves, and we do not feed the rest.
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              2. Rock616
                Rock616 2 February 2017 15: 32
                +24
                Quote: Stas157
                Quote: Winnie76
                What do you think should be "kremleputy" so as not to "profo" Belarusians.

                Stop buying relationships for oil and loans. If we would trade oil and gas with our allies at market prices, this would save us from many problems! And the relationship would be built in a natural way, and not according to the "mother-baby" scheme.
                Quote: Winnie76
                Or maybe buy products from Belarusians to the detriment of their own producers? Won't crack?

                What Belarusian products do we take to the detriment of our own manufacturers ?? Yes, with the help of Belarus, we are expanding the domestic market of the vehicle! No, of course there is an option, like North Korea - we buy only what we produce ourselves, and we do not feed the rest.


                Elementary Watson ! I live in Lipetsk and in Lipetsk there is “LTZ” (Lipetsk Tractor Plant) so, at best, it now produces 5-7 tractors per year, and on the streets of the city harvesting equipment (tractors) exclusively of Belarusian production, and not only harvesting equipment as well as construction and agricultural! And you can’t imagine the indignation of the workers who have remained there (pack) !!!

                Although most of them have already been reduced, or they themselves quit due to the lack of orders which they give back to the pack of fraternal Belarus ...

                THIS IS AND IS CALLED IN DAMAGE TO OWN PRODUCER !!! negative
          2. Shadow of darkness
            Shadow of darkness 2 February 2017 12: 29
            +11
            ... kremleputy are to blame here .... they have scoured Ukraine, now they are scouring Belarusians ... and they will rub us that the people love us ... only there is no power .... we look and remember!

            So, what is next? "Down with the bloody Putin," Maidan? Where to get tires to tell or find yourself ?!
          3. co-creator
            co-creator 2 February 2017 16: 09
            +12
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            Belarusians are now profounding ..

            The Russian Federation gave only loans under 20 Lyad and the same amount of oil without any conditions. Where is the money? Why is he again demanding money? Well, if you want money, then go in the stream of Moscow’s policies. Call ATO a crime against your people, the Nazis in Ukraine, the Nazis, etc. But he DOES NOT WANT to do this, so let him go through the forest.
          4. BecmepH
            BecmepH 3 February 2017 07: 34
            +2
            here Lukashenko is not at all to blame ... here are the Kremlin Kremlin ....
            Great ideology ... The ideology of the near. We are not to blame for poor parenting, but kindergarten and school ...
        3. WKS
          WKS 2 February 2017 12: 26
          +64
          How much is Lukashenka’s “loyalty” to Russia in billions of dollars? Apparently a lot. Is it not better to use this money for domestic needs. And let Belarusian citizens decide for themselves whether they need this blackmailer at the head of state.
          1. tatyannikov2010
            tatyannikov2010 2 February 2017 12: 34
            +8
            That's right +++
        4. Oleg Lavrov
          Oleg Lavrov 2 February 2017 12: 50
          +26
          Senile senility and overrated self-esteem of Lukashenko, everything destroys! In his old age, the Old Man decided that after him, such tricks against the fraternal people, his offspring, will be accepted in Europe! But he didn’t know the lessons of Ukraine ... and how in Europe they relate to traitors!
        5. 1536
          1536 3 February 2017 14: 31
          0
          Yes, no one needs this subject. At best, he will become a pensioner; at worst, he will share the fate of S. Milosevic. But in the West, Belarus is needed. Rather, its territory is like a springboard for an attack on Russia. From Minsk to Moscow - 700 km. Two tank transitions. And we are again stepping on the Ukrainian rake, having once relied on this pre-farm. You need to think, this is not chess.
        6. mr.fafes
          mr.fafes 7 February 2017 13: 16
          0
          In the West, all dictators have one fate! Pillar - stool - loop! No soap!
      2. cniza
        cniza 2 February 2017 11: 55
        +7
        Quote: caa

        The answer is simple to disgrace: de facto, Belarus is a part of Russia - we are tied up economically tightly.
        .


        How to interpret Lukashenko, no one will take power from him and will not take it, enough to suffer from mania.
        1. Caa
          Caa 2 February 2017 12: 10
          +31
          Yes, he understands this better than you and I! Understand, finally, a simple truth: he is constantly trading! And not because of a cockroach or what. He is FORCED to do this from day one. It was not possible for the Byelorussian SSR to become Belarus and to be economically independent! It is good here if 500 thousand jobs remain, if Russia closes for us.
          1. cniza
            cniza 2 February 2017 12: 30
            +7
            What then does he twitch, because everyone may get tired of his "trade" and what then to do?
            1. samoletil18
              samoletil18 2 February 2017 13: 20
              +1
              Quote: cniza
              What then does he twitch, because everyone may get tired of his "trade" and what then to do?

              From Lukashenko himself speeches on the topic do not hear. The Atlant brand and others besides Russia are of little interest to anyone, not to mention the necessary ones. He's not like a suicide. And the fifth column can be found in China.
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 2 February 2017 12: 40
            +4
            Quote: caa
            It is good here if 500 thousand jobs remain, if Russia closes for us.

            Well, (if this is all true at all), there is no talk of leaving the customs union yet.
            So nothing terrible will happen right up to the "Euroassociation", but then you yourself know everything.
          3. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 2 February 2017 12: 43
            +1
            A meeting between Russian and Belarusian leaders Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko may take place in the first half of February in Moscow, where a meeting of the Supreme State Council of the Union State of Russia and Belarus will take place. Traditionally, before the event, the heads of state hold separate negotiations. Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov confirmed to Izvestia that such a meeting is planned, and on its agenda is the issue of energy cooperation between the two countries
            1. avt
              avt 2 February 2017 13: 00
              +14
              Quote: To be or not to be
              Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov confirmed to Izvestia that such a meeting is planned, and on its agenda is the issue of energy cooperation between the two countries

              Well, this is normal, it has already happened more than once. Yet again
              The Regnum agency reports that if Minsk really intends to decide on withdrawal from the EAEU and the CSTO, then Moscow is not going to object.
              After the arrest of his correspondents, even a federal agency, but “feelings” for Butsk are warm. The question is not about Butsk’s tantrums, it’s a usual thing, everyday and not even in its current size. The question is what is the current state of the Belarusian economic miracle "? By indirect signs, it’s quite Japanese, well, Motsumoto is a bit dull. Moreover, it’s a little too cheerless. But here, real yong may not notice how Belarus will drive Belarus to the point of bifurcation and no return at the same time with his hysteria and Wishlist. Removing him into the current status quo is already more expensive today. Since the situation in Russia does not allow world realities to keep on the western border something that governs the country that fits into the definition, it’s not a friend or an enemy, but also “Especially since you don’t need to pull him into the mountains and everything is clear.
              1. To be or not to be
                To be or not to be 2 February 2017 13: 21
                +9
                Here is even simpler:
                1. Belarus population counter

                02-02-2017 12:08:58

                Population-9
                The male population (46.5%) - 4 415 819
                The female population (53.5%) - 5
                Born this year-9 905
                Died this year-11 986
                Migrated this year-2
                This is where it’s a bit cheery ..
                Exit.-Back to a single family of peoples.!
                2. GDP and External Debt of Belarus
                02-02-2017 12:17:31
                $ 16 == GDP (Gross Domestic Product) this year
                (at purchasing power parity)

                $ 57 == government debt

                http://countrymeters.info/ru/Belarus/economy
                1. avt
                  avt 2 February 2017 13: 28
                  +6
                  Quote: To be or not to be
                  Exit.-Back to a single family of peoples.!

                  request So yong on me like
                  I want to be the mistress of the sea,
                  To live in the sea of ​​Ocian,
                  To serve me a goldfish
                  And I would have been on my premises. ”
                  Well, no matter how you do not agree, but in the Kremlin the place is
                  Sit as you sit! You won’t move from here, Bob. ... Bolivar ran out of steam, he could not stand two.
                  The throne in the Throne Hall is ONE, even without a folding chair. Yes and
                  Javdet is a coward, Abdullah is a warrior. They do not love each other.
                  bully
                  1. To be or not to be
                    To be or not to be 2 February 2017 16: 23
                    +1
                    - Javdet - my ... Meet me - do not touch him ...
                2. kouldoom
                  kouldoom 2 February 2017 16: 24
                  0
                  Population Brush thing wrong
          4. skarl
            skarl 2 February 2017 12: 44
            +3
            If Russia closes, nothing remains ... only the jumpers and the fascist scum will climb out like in the country, that’s the whole future of Belarus ...
          5. co-creator
            co-creator 2 February 2017 16: 21
            +4
            Quote: caa
            He is FORCED to do this from day one.

            Sorry, but there are limits. Call ATO fights for independence is a spit in the Russian Federation. Just like a close friend.
        2. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 2 February 2017 12: 15
          +13
          Quote: cniza
          How to interpret Lukashenko, no one will take power from him and will not take it, enough to suffer from mania.

          If father has already begun to fill his own worth, then hardly anyone will stop him, but he himself will not be able to stop, otherwise he will drop himself. Why do we even need to feed him and keep him? Let him go and go anywhere, only who is waiting for him, because times are changing.
      3. Samen
        Samen 2 February 2017 12: 00
        +2
        Did a large collective farm get money for a new fence? Oh well...
        I somehow can’t believe it!
      4. Pulya
        Pulya 2 February 2017 12: 01
        +21
        Here, Batka’s illiterate policy and GDP are in the face.
        Two stubborn-stubborn-narcissistic ...
        What is the first, what is the second - to rip off with a whip when crowded!
        Such "dealers" of the earth - resources - squander the GENOFUND ... and then smart faces are built in cameras, and speeches spiced with plenty of water are pushed. Got it already !!!
        1. Max otto
          Max otto 2 February 2017 12: 13
          +22
          Here it is, the first true comment. The blame is the greed of the Russian (Russian?) Oil and gas monopolies and the cunning of the Belarusian authorities.
          Well, a little Belarus would have earned a few million dollars in oil, no one would have died, much less oil, there’s nothing special to hunch over, it is a gift from the Earth. No damn, what kind of hee you sold more than we allowed?
          And Belarusians, too, in hurricane terms, learned to grow kiwi bananas, red fish and everything else, and could hold on to their greed.
          That’s all sobsna, it’s all about grandmas, as one satirist said.
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 2 February 2017 12: 32
            +21
            Quote: Max Otto
            Well, a little Belarus would have earned several million dollars in oil, no one would have died, especially since it’s oil, there’s nothing much to hunch

            We do not trade “Souvenirs,” but let the wallet be shared. Cho we are sorry. We are still stealing ourselves. Yes max?
          2. Moore
            Moore 2 February 2017 12: 33
            +21
            Quote: Max Otto
            The blame is the greed of the Russian (Russian?) Oil and gas monopolies and the cunning of the Belarusian authorities.

            Before that, greedy Russian (?) Companies didn’t send surplus to Belarus, which Batsk’s rummaged? Did they not tolerate seafood made in the Republic of Belarus and so on in the Russian Federation?
            And what did the illiterate get in return Pulya
            GDP with comrades? He received a batch of regular whims of the chairman of the state farm and flirting with ghouls from 404.
            Well, what's the point of continuing to invest your resources in such an "ally"?
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 2 February 2017 12: 49
            +9
            Yes, little unfortunate Belarus made a little resale here, a little there. Dip me a glass of skate.
            1. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 2 February 2017 14: 13
              +4
              Belarus made a little resale here, a little there.

              It seems to me that it’s rather not Belarus but Old Man and Co.
          4. vovanpain
            vovanpain 2 February 2017 13: 06
            +28
            Quote: Max Otto
            Well, a little Belarus would have earned a few million dollars in oil, no one would have died.

            What are you repeat oh and the wildest good can you give me an apartment, I’ll earn a little money by reselling it, how do you look at it, dear Max? After all, no one will die. bully
            Quote: Max Otto
            all the more, it’s oil, there’s nothing special to hunch over, it is a gift from the Earth.

            Have you tried to extract oil, and how much does it cost to know? wink Well, yes, in Russia, oil flows from each water tap, and we produce gas in each garden wassat Burn on. good
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 2 February 2017 13: 07
              +5
              But what do you feel oh and the wildest good can give me an apartment, I’ll earn a little money by reselling it, how dear Max are you looking at this? After all, no one will die.


              it's not brainstorming laughing on the contrary, the guy would be happy with everything
            2. Max otto
              Max otto 2 February 2017 13: 28
              +12
              I wanted to answer everyone, but it will be a long time, so in short. Everyone read the first part of the comment, but not the second, it turns out. It’s impossible for our collective farmers to give such money to me at all, but in terms of tariffs and duties Russia could have moved, in other areas it buries far more money, and remind me how much Russia has forgiven debts lately and to whom? There is no Belarus and money is lost many times more, and I do not urge to forgive anything.
              One “south stream” of what it costs, money is buried in 5-8 budgets of the middle country, and how much else in Turechchina they will burrow in frenzy ....
              1. vovanpain
                vovanpain 2 February 2017 14: 03
                +13
                Quote: Max Otto
                but in terms of tariffs and duties, Russia could move

                Oh e her, something Nazarbayev is not moving, everything is agreed, everything is agreed and by the pike command, father’s desire, does not change the price and does not include the chantadera. yes
                Quote: Max Otto
                One “south stream” of what it costs, money is buried in 5-8 budgets of the middle country, and how much else in Turechchina they will burrow in frenzy ....

                Why for nothing? laughing For dollars or Jews, which is defined in the contract. bully This is what life-giving transit does, if Russia has found a workaround, it means
                Quote: Max Otto
                frenzy

                hi
              2. avt
                avt 2 February 2017 14: 33
                +13
                Quote: Max Otto
                remind me how much Russia has forgiven debts lately and to whom?

                Remind me, what kind of nuclear power plants is being built in Belarus? How many times have you been re-credited? And the layout of debts yourself reluctant to look for? Well, to whom and how much should they? Should Russia also pay all that it scored on the side? So they ran into the Chinese, whom the Krychki did not roll, but give me money, or a pledge, so what? Pay for you?
                Quote: Max Otto
                One “south stream” of what it costs, money is buried in 5-8 budgets of the middle country, and how much else in Turechchina they will burrow in frenzy ....

                Once again - WHAT SIDE after 1991 do you relate to OUR debts and deposits ?? What are you? Did not understand that Russia is an independent state? Belarus is independent, and Russia owes you some fright? Put on your underpants, or remove the cross.
              3. Oleg Monarchist
                Oleg Monarchist 2 February 2017 15: 38
                +20
                Belarus recognized Crimea - Russian? Did you recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent? Participates in pacification of barmaley in Syria? Why not?

                That is, gas and oil for free ... like, well, do you feel sorry for something, "we have the Union State, after all?"
                And how to support at least the policy of Russia, here "we have an independent state."
                1. Caa
                  Caa 2 February 2017 17: 00
                  +7
                  Belarus recognized Crimea - Russian? Did you recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent? Participates in pacification of barmaley in Syria? Why not?
                  That is, gas and oil for free ... like, well, do you feel sorry for something, "we have the Union State, after all?"
                  And how to support at least the policy of Russia, here "we have an independent state."


                  As a citizen of Belarus, I have nothing to answer .. All of the above, I personally support. Adequate people in the environment - too. But, after all, we do not determine politics.

                  Belarusian elites are afraid of the west, not Russia, and on this basis this whole agenda is being formed. Miserable and worthless.
                  1. asiat_61
                    asiat_61 3 February 2017 05: 19
                    +1
                    As far as I understand, here no one presents to ordinary people. All demand is from the management.
              4. Walking
                Walking 2 February 2017 17: 07
                +4
                Quote: Max Otto
                I wanted to answer everyone, but it will be a long time, so in short. Everyone read the first part of the comment, but not the second, it turns out. It’s impossible for our collective farmers to give such money to me at all, but in terms of tariffs and duties Russia could have moved, in other areas it buries far more money, and remind me how much Russia has forgiven debts lately and to whom? There is no Belarus and money is lost many times more, and I do not urge to forgive anything.
                One “south stream” of what it costs, money is buried in 5-8 budgets of the middle country, and how much else in Turechchina they will burrow in frenzy ....


                Counting other people's money? Envy gnaws?
          5. avt
            avt 2 February 2017 13: 20
            +14
            Quote: Max Otto
            Well, a little Belarus would have earned several million dollars in oil, no one would have died, especially since it’s oil,

            Already earned, according to easy estimates in relation to world prices since the start of the discounts -85 billion dead American painted prizydentou, and at a maximum of 100. When he was asked not to greet and to light the gesheft, but to share. He kind of agreed, but ..... Your cunning turned out with his fur inside the mother’s mink and, suddenly, instead of distillates with refineries, Belarus abruptly began to export, paints and varnishes. For less money they ask. This is the question
            Quote: Max Otto
            what hee you sold more than we allowed?

            We did not allow it, but did AGREE as part of the EAEU customs procedures. And with what suddenly did the young zazzdel the Customs Code sign an agreed and generally cartel? And it is inserted into the agreed decency framework when it will be more difficult for him to stir up a personal gesheft.
            Quote: Max Otto
            moreover, it’s oil, there’s nothing special to hunch over, it is a gift from the Earth

            Well, this is our gift, the sovereign state of Russia. And what side are you after Viskuli 1991? You’re independent, everyone here has come to know from the “state-owned state” already understood. Well, it’s not the USA that even once to roll out Madeleine about Siberia and the injustice of its one Russia.
            Quote: Max Otto
            All the blame is the greed of the Russians (are they Russian?)

            In-in! Father’s ambitions
            Quote: Winnie76
            We do not trade “Souvenirs,” but let the wallet be shared.

            Yeah, pour a glass, and go.
          6. DenZ
            DenZ 2 February 2017 13: 34
            +2
            Quote: Max Otto
            The blame is the greed of the Russian (Russian?) Oil and gas monopolies and the cunning of the Belarusian authorities.

            It seems even more that all this did not begin yesterday. Let us recall the story of Ukraine, where our oligarchs rested their horns and did not want to agree on the price of gas. So through the heads of large corporations it is possible to shake relations between countries so that mom does not cry. If you add to this also brainwashing (as it was in Ukraine). That the whole thing is done here it is the source of all the misfortunes, Russia.
            1. avt
              avt 2 February 2017 13: 48
              +9
              Quote: DenZ
              Let us recall the story of Ukraine, where our oligarchs rested their horns and did not want to agree on the price of gas.

              Here hezh ... whistler with a dance! bully And Julia’s gas deal, for which she was later judged, what ?!
              Quote: DenZ
              our oligarchs rested their horns

              And who was tyring gas in addition to being jerked off by agreeing with the late Uncle Vitya and Ram? Lie, do not lie, people’s memory is not as short as someone would like.
              Quote: DenZ
              That the whole thing is done here it is the source of all the misfortunes, Russia.

              Well we already heard it and we hear from Ruin. Already they agreed that the Nazis introduced a law banning everything except the sovereign mob ... agents of the FSB and just not Putin personally.
              Quote: DenZ
              So through the heads of large corporations it is possible to shake relations between countries so that mom does not cry.

              Yeah, that’s what Belarus is an independent state, it’s already reached the point of everyone, now strain on the perception that there is ONE state oligarch in Bclorussia who brought his own household to exorbitant ambitions to bankruptcy.
              1. DenZ
                DenZ 2 February 2017 14: 03
                0
                Quote: avt
                that in Bclorussia there is ONE state oligarch

                Well then, in Russia, one oligarch, Putin, agree or will we not make such generalizations?
                Quote: avt
                Well we already heard it and we hear from Ruin. Already they agreed that the Nazis introduced a law banning everything except the sovereign mob ... FSB agents and
                just not Putin personally

                I agree, in the ruin of a mess in its ideal sense.

                Quote: avt
                And who was tyring gas in addition to being jerked off by agreeing with the late Uncle Vitya and Ram? Lie, do not lie, people’s memory is not as short as someone would like.

                I didn’t want anything like that about the memory, I don’t deny the fact that the ruin was tyril gas. But the fact that the contracts with the ruin for gas were enslaving for her (did not choose gas but pay for it) is difficult to deny. The fact that Julia was tried for this is absolutely correct. But our, Russian policy regarding gas prices for Ukraine at the end of the zero was simply barbaric.
                1. avt
                  avt 2 February 2017 14: 19
                  +9
                  Quote: DenZ
                  Well then, in Russia, one oligarch, Putin, agree or will we not make such generalizations?

                  Announce where and in what shares he swims, then we will speak for
                  Quote: DenZ
                  - agree

                  Current for the time being is liquid with evidence base either. And the fact that he steered the state corporations, as the position put in accordance with their charter documents. And his personal built relationship with the leadership of these is the libretto from another opera.
                  Quote: DenZ
                  But the fact that the contracts with the ruin for gas were enslaving for her (did not choose gas but pay for it) is difficult to deny.

                  bully The terms of the long-term contracts with the Ruin are UHUMAN market, so turn off the whistle, turn upside down again, otherwise you will have real discounts on the campaign, the latter for the fleet are Kharkov, so-and-so-I’m really a disaster. And Yulin’s contract was an initiative of the great ukras themselves, but they couldn’t calculate in length and signed - they had fun, counted - they shed a tear. So congratulations again
                  Quote: DenZ
                  But our, Russian policy regarding gas prices for Ukraine at the end of the zero was simply barbaric.

                  citizen of a lie. Since, like a true cheater, quietly silently keep silent WHEN the Ruin was forced to pay in advance and return to the contract and the point - take as much as indicated in the contract and pay.
                  Quote: DenZ
                  . The fact that Julia was tried for this is absolutely correct.

                  We generally have a phallus, your Julia, at least spread on bread and eat it. We do not mind.
                  1. DenZ
                    DenZ 2 February 2017 14: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: avt
                    Announce where and in what shares he swims, then we will speak for

                    No, really. First of all, if you please, as the first hinting about the Old Man, he will voice what shares he consists of. And I'll see if he agrees or not.
                    Quote: avt
                    We generally have a phallus, your Julia, at least spread on bread and eat it. We do not mind.

                    To me, Julia somehow also on the phallus. She is as mine as yours. For living my whole life in the Urals, before Yulia and her sufferings, I have a very strong phallus.

                    For the rest, I finish the conversation with Swami because you are not capable of anything other than rudeness (poorly covered). Cool for now.
                    1. avt
                      avt 2 February 2017 15: 59
                      +4
                      Quote: DenZ
                      For the rest, I finish the conversation with Swami because you are not capable of anything other than rudeness (poorly covered). Cool for now.

                      laughing But at the same time, the question was raised
                      Quote: DenZ
                      No, really. First of all, if you please, as the first hinting about the Old Man, he will voice what shares he consists of. And I'll see if he agrees or not.

                      And since the answer is known, naturally a jump that is not counted. In the pose of insulted greatness it was necessary to get up WITHOUT preliminary
                      Quote: DenZ
                      No, really. if you please first as the first hinting about the Old Man

                      approach to the question. bully
                2. AID.S
                  AID.S 2 February 2017 14: 35
                  +5
                  Quote: DenZ
                  were enslaved for her (did not choose gas but pay for it) is difficult to deny.

                  The enslaving conditions were very suitable for Ukraine, while the prices were set (and it resold almost all the "surplus" to the West very profitably due to the difference). Perhaps this would have continued further, but Yushchenko came, who decided to cheat on the door to applause of the first-found Ukraine and Ukraine got a kick to a famous place and was amazed, "And what about us?"
            2. asiat_61
              asiat_61 3 February 2017 05: 22
              0
              It's not about our aligophrenics. the thing is the Ukrainians.
          7. Sergey Kranov
            Sergey Kranov 2 February 2017 13: 42
            +17
            Belarusians will not be able to "hold back their greed." If they don’t care what to make money on, even on Bulbash shrimps, even on weapons and a solarium for ukrofashists. Once you have walked along the Judaic path, then you can’t avoid either the Maidan or civil war. For a long time you sucked a "freebie" from Russia, but everything comes to an end. A resident of NEW RUSSIA, which is now being killed with your help.
          8. co-creator
            co-creator 2 February 2017 16: 35
            +5
            Quote: Max Otto
            Well, a little Belarus would have earned a few million dollars in oil, no one would have died, much less oil, there’s nothing special to hunch over, it is a gift from the Earth. No damn, what kind of hee you sold more than we allowed?

            Why did Comrade Luke call ATO warriors for independence? Whose ally is he? Whose oil wants? Excuse me again, you want to take from the Russian Federation, and in return do not give anything. Is it normal? Putin is doing everything right. The world is changing and we need allies or partners to know our political resources. Here the Onion was presented with a choice.
            1. Lynch
              Lynch 2 February 2017 18: 48
              +3
              I'm afraid after all the stuffing from the dad and careful attempts to sit on 2 chairs (We just live in the same house, but we can walk in different apartments; now he is interested in high-tech Europe; sometimes he indignantly speaks about the subject of the Russian Air Force base and adds: give we will fly and protect these Dryings to us).
              Maybe a partial lifting of sanctions from his head hit him? It is not clear, but it is clear that one such ally is not needed.
              And in general, Russia has only allies: the Army, Navy and VKS.
          9. BecmepH
            BecmepH 3 February 2017 07: 50
            +1
            Well, a little Belarus would earn several million dollars in oil, no one would die,
            Cool))) So you dug up a garden in the spring, planted potatoes. They huddled, they poisoned bugs, and dug up in the fall ... And your neighbor looked through the fence, but encouraged you. After harvesting, you sold part of the crop to a loafing neighbor. You sold him cheaply (a neighbor, after all). And he sold your potatoes at an exorbitant price ... He did nothing, but he brutalized it. Navar raped, and even chuckles at you. Will you be happy for your neighbor? You will be happy for him, and next year tell him: - "Let me plant more, I will leave as much for myself, and I will sell you more. For cheap ... So, in your opinion, right?)))))
      5. Basil50
        Basil50 2 February 2017 12: 12
        +13
        Caa
        Your mistake is that you still think Lukashenko is * sick * of Belarus. But this is not so, he and his clan are already more than wealthy and their interests are no longer connected with the Republic of Belarus, they are concerned about the continuity of power and if this fails, then they will create a shelter for themselves and for everything * earned * by overwork. Most likely, his children and other younger clan members have already been promised a lot of things, and Lukashenko is working on a future for himself and his clan.
        1. Caa
          Caa 2 February 2017 12: 30
          +15
          You opened my eyes straight to the solvency of the powerful and close in Belarus!)))

          From the side, a lot seems simple and understandable, everyone can be called "sick", collective farmers, etc., etc. But the fact is that you know nothing and understand nothing outside this boiler.

          In the meantime, the Old Man himself did not say anything about leaving the integration formations - and this discussion - there is pure fortune-telling and hollow shells.

          As I said above: if you decide to break off relations with Russia, then our government has decided to retire.
      6. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 2 February 2017 12: 36
        0
        Quote: caa
        No, it's in western banks.

        I doubt very much somewhere in Azerbaijan.
      7. AID.S
        AID.S 2 February 2017 13: 37
        +5
        Quote: caa
        No one seriously thinks that the “earned” lies in billions of cash or in Belarusian banks? No, it's in western banks.

        Do you seriously think that the “leaders” of Belarus have accounts in the West ?. May be. Only sooner have the "leaders" of the opposition. When Luke was the “last dictator” under sanctions, no one anywhere could prove something, hint that he has accounts in the West.
        What may appear is not a question, but why, if it is more possible and more profitable, to privatize all of Belarus in Chubais or through the notorious “Lake”, and then, as a democrat and liberal, to move into world citizens.
      8. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 2 February 2017 15: 20
        +6
        Or maybe let them go? I live in Smolensk, recently such shit in quality as Belarusians, even the Chinese do not produce.
      9. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 2 February 2017 16: 25
        +3
        Good riddance, let’s go out, we’ll see how long it will stretch ...
      10. Monk
        Monk 2 February 2017 18: 08
        0
        [i] Even if this sea was, then where to put all this later? Where's the milk? And where are the trucks, buses, agricultural machinery? Where is the rest? What then will fuel be made of, at what price will it come, and to whom will it be sold?
        The answer is simple to disgrace: de facto, Belarus is a part of Russia - we are tied up economically tightly. And not the recognition of this, and even more so the attempt to break the system - speaks only about one thing: someone was firmly seized by the balls.
        No one seriously thinks that the “earned” lies in billions of cash or in Belarusian banks? No, it's in western banks. And once there must come a moment of departure. But how, when and with what content is up to the owners of these banks to decide. The bottom line is that someone is tired and leaves the only possible green corridor to take away the accumulated. [B]



        I fully support ..... removed from the language!
    2. stas
      stas 2 February 2017 11: 51
      +12
      More than sure, Old Man will not go out, because he has nowhere to go.
      While he’s giving up, he’ll get his penny and calm down for a while.
      In his concept - for friendship with him you have to pay.
      1. Caa
        Caa 2 February 2017 11: 59
        +12
        He is in some strange, sophisticated measure - a patriot. Surprisingly. But his mistake is fatal in that he does not follow his surroundings. They already have SO MUCH means and resources, which, I am afraid, at the critical moment it will no longer determine the fateful decisions.
        1. cniza
          cniza 2 February 2017 12: 33
          +3
          Quote: caa
          He is in some strange, sophisticated measure - a patriot. Surprisingly. But his mistake is fatal in that he does not follow his surroundings. They already have SO MUCH means and resources, which, I am afraid, at the critical moment it will no longer determine the fateful decisions.


          Not so bad?
          1. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 2 February 2017 12: 43
            +8
            Yes. Plus the complete unsuitability of the Russian embassy, ​​as before in Ukraine.
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 3 February 2017 07: 55
              +1
              Quote: Roma-1977
              Yes. Plus the complete unsuitability of the Russian embassy, ​​as before in Ukraine.

              Again, kindergarten, but the school is to blame for the education of your child))))
              1. Roma 1977
                Roma 1977 3 February 2017 12: 57
                0
                If you let everything drift, you should not hope that the result will be acceptable. The Russian embassy in the Republic of Belarus continues to pretend to be an ostrich with its head in the ground or three monkeys in the style of: "I don’t see, I don’t hear, I don’t say."
          2. Caa
            Caa 2 February 2017 13: 25
            +8
            While pulling, but the downward trend does not change. And you can’t see the forces capable of breaking it.
            Initially, the plan was such that due to external means (you know whose?) And preferences from the market common with Russia,
            A) a rather fat social program for the population (I’m not talking about pensions, but about housing benefits, disproportionate salary productivity, low prices for studies, free medicine (albeit none), etc.
            B) find, create, nurture (by any means) OWN, i.e. Domestic growth drivers (economic, of course). You can recall the attempts to breathe life into mechanical engineering, at one time into flax processing, the chemical industry, and woodworking ate a lot of money. These (there were more) - a complete failure, zero exhaust! Cut, illiteracy, etc. Separately, about the "collective farm", which everyone loves so much))) It turned out, in fact, normal. Of course, the absolute leader is milk, followed by, most likely, associated with the bird. The rest is simple, rejoice - lives!

            It turned out that consumption is growing, but growth drivers have not appeared. Milk is tied to Russia 100%. The rest that still breathes is on her. It turns out that the internal sources of existence were not so internal. In general, export from the Republic of Belarus Outside the CU (except for fertilizers) is a very, very insignificant part.

            And Belarusians got used to living quite simply (meaning not well-being, but a way of life): yes, they work, but this work can hardly be called productive, even if it is production. Such is the paradox. Throw them into market conditions where you need to constantly study, improve qualifications, show initiative, hold on to your place, and be responsible for your own future and the future of your children - they will not survive.

            And here’s the summary:
            Belarusians vitally need current power and how it works. And the authorities vitally need resources, and resources are NOT FROM residents, but FOR residents. Those. Sustainable power here is possible only with external financing, impressive and growing from year to year.

            Does this all remind the inhabitants of Russia? That's right, this relationship is the relationship of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation with the Federal budget)))))))))))))
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 2 February 2017 17: 10
              0
              Quote: caa
              And Belarusians got used to living quite simply (meaning not well-being, but a way of life): yes, they work, but this work can hardly be called productive, even if it is production. Such is the paradox. Throw them into market conditions where you need to constantly study, improve qualifications, show initiative, hold on to your place, and be responsible for your own future and the future of your children - they will not survive.

              When directors are only concerned that stealing the economy does not work, Belarusians as people adapt to market conditions, due to the fact that Belarusians are poorly trained. You wrote frank stupidity.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 2 February 2017 19: 05
                0
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                on the account of the fact that Belarusians are poorly trained you wrote frank stupidity.

                He meant that with the market, Belarusians would lose their market to Russians, Lithuanians, etc. because they’ve been in the market for 15 years. As long as you learn, neighbors will buy all the tidbits.
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 2 February 2017 20: 00
                  +3
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  While you are a neighbor, all the tidbits will be bought up.

                  They will even buy from trained people, the opportunities are not equal, your capitalization of Rosneft alone is equal to the GDP of Belarus, it’s not so important who the owner of the enterprise is, the main thing is that it works efficiently and generates income to the treasury and creates jobs, what’s the use of it if it’s state-owned if people are 2 days a week work for him or for six months on vacation at his own expense. The economy of Belarus should have been tightly integrated into the Russian one, but due to problems with property, it is becoming simpler and worse every year, morally and technically lagging behind global trends, if in 2012 someone needed MAZ, then today Germans settled on KAMAZ and build production lines, and MAZ stands with its unsold products, if nothing changes then in 10 years MAZ will have no chance to join the economy, or maybe much faster, it hurts too quickly the world is developing. We returned to the beginning of the 90s only in the 90s everyone was in the same conditions, and now we are in the twilight zone.
                  There are young intelligent guys, they start something, what happens, earn initial capital, and then what? Where to invest? Where is the guarantee of immunity? A bunch of questions and zero answers. The economy does not work in such conditions, and skills are secondary here.
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 2 February 2017 20: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    The decree will be written and you are at a trough.

                    What kind of decrees? Like under Lenin or something)
                    By the way, I still don’t understand why Luka forbade combining MAZ with KAMAZ. He probably understands that in the modern world only large automakers can survive. What was his interest in breaking this deal?
                    1. saturn.mmm
                      saturn.mmm 2 February 2017 23: 07
                      +1
                      Quotation: blooded man
                      What was his interest in breaking this deal?

                      Quotation: blooded man
                      By the way, I still don’t understand why Luka forbade combining MAZ with KAMAZ.

                      Do not bargain.
                      1. co-creator
                        co-creator 3 February 2017 14: 53
                        0
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        Do not bargain.

                        So, in general, nothing will be received. Who will need MAZ in 5-10 years? Dad really does not understand this or what? He doesn’t seem to do ... r..a..k?
        2. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 2 February 2017 13: 09
          +5
          Quote: caa
          He is in some strange, sophisticated measure - a patriot. Surprisingly. But his mistake is fatal in that he does not follow his surroundings. They already have SO MUCH means and resources, which, I am afraid, at the critical moment it will no longer determine the fateful decisions.

          This can be said about our top rats. Putin, too, is embarrassed to say something to him, such an impression — all domestic politics and the economy, as it was by gravity, remained.
          1. asiat_61
            asiat_61 3 February 2017 05: 35
            0
            Since the 90s, domestic policy has been aimed at eliminating Russia, so nothing has changed, at the helm of the economy are the same people, or their successors.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 2 February 2017 12: 05
        +3
        Will not come out? Will oligarchs buy, not buy? Poland will give money for a turn to the west. and there look for wind in the field. Unemployment is 20% and "zrobitschane" around the world.
        While Lukashenko was heading for a social state, but the oligarchs grew, finished off Belarus. Absorption or collapse (entrance to the Center of Europe under the exchange of industries for "Mercedes")?
        There was not enough time (for a bad dancer ... they interfere, and for a very bad partner) of the Russian Federation to breed several crises in time. A very sharp turn occurred, from 22.02.14, to the confrontation.
        First, take over the absorption in a soft alliance with Central Asia (where our industry is needed), then RB (difficult, but there are many ties), then Ukraine.
        He put on his trousers, slipped the footcloths in his boots in the evening and put on his boots on alarm, on the run, grabbed the top with him and dressed as much as possible. "Anxiety, anxiety ... in hot blood.
        But the Rosa Khutor was built.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 2 February 2017 12: 22
          +3
          Quote: antivirus
          While Lukashenko was heading for a social state, but the oligarchs grew, finished off Belarus. Absorption or collapse (entrance to the Center of Europe under the exchange of industries for "Mercedes")?

          I did not understand this. What oligarchs and Cheg Luka were not allowed to build? And what kind of garbage is this that depends on the oligarchs?
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 2 February 2017 16: 19
            +1
            Vertically integrated companies, holdings. There is a gas station. the fuel delivery company + licenses + storage + refinery + pipe + refinery + wells + ??? (the fantasy of Aliekverov or Sechin, he will be the first to go to Europe).
            There is a mash plant + licenses + contracts + export contracts + production of machine tools and other equipment + sales markets (own) + own state standards + personnel of the required qualification and level of consumption of these products
            And other industries and growths by analogy.
            Hammer (purchase) for the sale of RB oil refineries to the Outskirts + Vost Evr (EU !!!!) and the raw materials for the mashines are built from the Russian Federation and the products are ready = one owner for all chains. Which is credited where?
            That's right, in Sberbank and VTB !!!
            Everybody dance!!! did not go directly with the purchase along these chains of Ukraine, they went through the Republic of Belarus and then turned back south (to Ukria).
            Our oligarchs have little strength to work in Europe. There is money, little intelligence. Without mind, only in the BSSSR
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 2 February 2017 14: 15
        +2
        In his concept - for friendship with him you have to pay.

        These are usually called: political ...
      4. andrewTSO
        andrewTSO 2 February 2017 21: 52
        +2
        But why the hell endure his whims ?! Now it’s our turn to be capricious, which, by the way, was said, otherwise he, you see, winds up on our oil, brings in all sorts of nastiness, and at that time delivers weapons and fuel (from our own oil) to the mischievous pan-and-pan. Has the dad got fucked up (excuse me for my French custody)?
    3. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 2 February 2017 11: 53
      +15
      Already got this collective farmer. If we lose our market, we’ll be left without pants at all.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 2 February 2017 11: 57
        +4
        I feel after the Belarusian visa-free visa inaudibly sneaking Russian visas. That will be fun for a whiskered man
    4. RDX
      RDX 2 February 2017 12: 01
      +10
      Wangyu, 20 years later, the eastern regions of Belarus and the Outskirts will be part of the Russian Federation, but there will still be a lot of blood. Sly barbel does not want to learn from the mistakes of neighbors from the outskirts, and strives to step on the same rake
    5. Finches
      Finches 2 February 2017 12: 11
      +7
      All the same, you need to prepare a plot near Rostov ... Here, a kunskamera can be formed there: Yanukovych, Lukashenko and ... Poroshenko! You can call the street like that in the new cottage village "Street on the ... retired presidents" laughing
      1. andrewTSO
        andrewTSO 2 February 2017 22: 01
        +4
        No, no, nah-nah - let them go to Canada! Is there a leper colony here in RO?
    6. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 2 February 2017 13: 06
      +1
      and spit on the 6th US fleet
    7. xetai9977
      xetai9977 2 February 2017 13: 20
      +5
      Believe "Regnum" -Do not respect yourself. Until then, the Russian media will be in the hands of various Simonyans, Baghdasaryans, Kurginyans and other Yans, and for how long will the public opinion of this country be formed by the Yans through the Regnums?
      1. KP8789
        KP8789 2 February 2017 14: 07
        +5
        The anti-Belarusian position of Regnum was formed several years ago precisely on the "Armenian issue". Good relations between Azerbaijan and Belarus cause fury among the leadership of this agency. Regnum is most likely a foreign agent of influence (Armenian) in the Russian media.
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 3 February 2017 15: 02
        +1
        Quote: xetai9977
        will form -yans through "Regnums"?

        It is not "Rengum" called ATO warriors for independence. This is not a "rengum" duty unilaterally changed, etc.
    8. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 2 February 2017 14: 26
      +1
      article from the series "grandmas on the bench said" lol
    9. Topotun
      Topotun 2 February 2017 14: 39
      0
      And bananas and citrus fruits?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2017 15: 37
        +2
        the main thing is Belarusians, do not become "maydanute", remember that we are brothers. Do not lead to the fact that in Ukraine ...
        1. KP8789
          KP8789 2 February 2017 16: 25
          0
          Maybe you and brother Belarusians. But what about the other commentators. They will not agree with you. For them, Belarusians are, at best, parasites who sit on their necks and deflate them. own resources.
          Do you think that the local public does not know that this news is fake? They know and still continue to sow discord. VO turns into an information dump. And for the sake of what, for the sake of increasing attendance. Apparently it's time to leave here.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2017 17: 07
            +2
            Quote: KP8789
            . For them, Belarusians are, at best, parasites who sit on their necks and pump out their own resources.

            do not confuse people with "father" ....
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 3 February 2017 15: 03
            +1
            Quote: KP8789
            Do you think that the local public does not know that this news is fake?

            And about ATO feik or what? Luke said that to kill the Russian Donbas means to fight for independence?
            1. KP8789
              KP8789 3 February 2017 15: 35
              0
              And here ATO? A specific fake about the withdrawal of Belarus from the EAEU and the CSTO is being discussed. No need to bring all the news together. Otherwise, it will turn out not a discussion, but a bazaar about everything and about nothing.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 3 February 2017 20: 21
                +1
                Quote: KP8789
                Belarus from the EAEU and the CSTO. No need to bring all the news together. Otherwise, it will turn out not a discussion, but a bazaar about everything and about nothing.

                Already recalled customs officers from the EAEU.
        2. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 3 February 2017 08: 35
          0
          Who is this to say? Normal and so everyone understands, scum who want to oppose Belarus to Russia only chuckle.
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          the main thing is Belarusians, do not become "maydanute", remember that we are brothers. Do not lead to the fact that in Ukraine ...
    10. Skif83
      Skif83 3 February 2017 10: 21
      0
      It is clear that this is politics, and the Old Man is being traded. In no case do not condone him. And yet, it is worth remembering that in the Soviet era, the BSSR was one of the few that was not a subsidized republic. Those. Belarus itself has always fed itself, unlike different georgia and the Baltic states ...
      The bad thing is that with the most faithful ally, relations are built only on profit ...
      As history shows, relationships that are built on money are not strong.
      An idea can be strong, but everything that is for sale WILL BE SOLD!
      But we have one idea - RUSSIAN WORLD!
      1. KP8789
        KP8789 3 February 2017 15: 40
        0
        Show me where the RUSSIAN WORLD is? Just do not say that he is in Russia. It will be blasphemy. Although everyone understands the RUSSIAN WORLD in their own way.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 2 February 2017 11: 39
    +20
    What a news ! The roof definitely went, but this has been a long time coming!
    No wonder the border with Belarus began to build!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 2 February 2017 11: 52
      +8
      The fate of Yanukovych does not bother him?
      1. Caa
        Caa 2 February 2017 12: 02
        +11
        And you?))) Yes, here the majority vote for such a fate !!! This Yanukovych lives, yes - a political corpse, a disgrace, etc., but in a hefty house, eats caviar with spoons and doesn’t ride the bus for sure. So it was he who did not even have time to prepare for the departure from power)))
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 2 February 2017 11: 56
      +13
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      What a news ! The roof definitely went, but this has been a long time coming!
      No wonder the border with Belarus began to build!

      Old Man hysterically, the nerves are being handed over ... I owed half a billion dollars to Russia, for gas and oil, but I don’t want to give it back ..... So he bit the bit, hoping that they would start grabbing him forks and persuade him to stay in the former format for writing off debts unilaterally, or they will give regular discounts on energy resources, reselling them at a slightly overpriced price, and he, by the difference, will pay off the debts. Or maybe you don’t need to hold him? Maybe Peskov needs to comment on this statement in the sense that we respect this choice, but at the same time we will have to reconsider the provision of benefits and other preferences for Belarus that it receives while in the EAEU common space.
      1. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 2 February 2017 13: 21
        0
        So it will be now.
        They will set two conditions: the accession of Belarus, or go through the forest. I think Putin understands that it is better now to force Lukashenko to unite Belarus with Russia. Looking at Ukraine, one should understand that there is no more time. If you do not unite, billions in vain will erupt again, again our countries will be driven into the ass.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 2 February 2017 14: 48
          +13
          Quote: vasiliev yu
          I think Putin understands that it is better now to force Lukashenko to unite Belarus with Russia.

          And why the heck is Putin Belarus? In the year 14 there was a huge historical chance of the reunification of the lands of Novorossiya with Russia, from Lugansk and Kharkov to Odessa and Transnistria, but Putin merrily merged it. He doesn’t need anything. He can’t give a mind in Russia, where industrial production should be established, and not resources pumped. And you offer him Belarus. Then the Kuril Islands are burning a thigh, and that look will push under the fanfare of the eternal peace with the Japs.
          1. Standard
            Standard 2 February 2017 22: 04
            +2
            Quote: Karabin
            cowardly leaked.

            the most correct qualification of what happened.
            After all, Ban Ki-moon arrived, explained that Ukraine is still the administrative district of the USSR. So Putin, it seems, fell into a panic (press conference) and strongly denied imperial ambitions. And it’s okay at home personally! And then he spoke for Russia!
          2. Vasiliev Yu
            Vasiliev Yu 3 February 2017 08: 48
            0
            I see no one understands the difference between the 14th and 17th year. And think about it weakly? ((
            In the year 14, Putin and his dumb circle and advisers hoped for a quiet showdown, and therefore did not oppose themselves to the whole West. Over the years, it became clear to everyone, to hope for the mercy of the West, stupidity is dumb. And if we assume that even from Belarus they will install an iron curtain like Ukraine, the Baltic states. What will Russia do then? Especially with the current economy.
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2017 17: 09
          +1
          Quote: vasiliev yu
          If you do not unite, billions in vain will erupt again, again our countries will be driven into the ass.

          billions and so ... and in the ass too ... if the country doesn’t care about old people and children, it has problems ...
    3. KP8789
      KP8789 2 February 2017 12: 17
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      What a news ! The roof definitely went, but this has been a long time coming!
      No wonder the border with Belarus began to build!

      A fool not need a knife,
      He's lying with three boxes
      And do what you like with him.

      Since when did Regnum dump become an official source?
      1. Shadow of darkness
        Shadow of darkness 2 February 2017 12: 39
        +4
        For komenty-read. To the people he’s stomping.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 February 2017 11: 39
    +15
    Lukashenko is considering the possibility of Belarus leaving the Eurasian Economic Union and the Collective Security Treaty Organization

    Interestingly, but he has not yet considered ways to leave the republic in a conflict situation? In the West it is not needed, Moscow after its tricks too. It remains only to a friend Poroshenko, who himself hangs in the balance.
    1. Smoked
      Smoked 2 February 2017 11: 55
      +4
      In the West they will accept him, but then they will strangle him in The Hague.
      1. Sasha_Sar
        Sasha_Sar 2 February 2017 12: 08
        +7
        Yes, fullness! One has been living near Rostov for three years, and this "cunningly ...." will live near Smolensk and give interviews to reporters how honest he was and how his west deceived ...
        1. Smoked
          Smoked 2 February 2017 12: 29
          +1
          For this to happen, you need to work long and seriously on the population on the example of Ukraine.
  4. 210ox
    210ox 2 February 2017 11: 39
    +11
    And here let the flag be in his hands ... What then will workers of the stopped production say to him ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 2 February 2017 11: 56
      +4
      Well, why do we need "Ukraine 2", can explain to him.
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 2 February 2017 12: 10
      +10
      Do we have a lot of talk? Or production does not stop? In our Rybinsk all the time. Saturn, it would seem, the defense industry, orders ... Moves to the 4-day since March.
      So they will not say anything. They will be shown the enemy in the east, that is, us. But the "national treasure" Gazsrem will continue to contain Russophobic Yecho matzo.
  5. Glory1974
    Glory1974 2 February 2017 11: 39
    +9
    if Minsk really intends to decide on withdrawal from the EAEU and the Collective Security Treaty Organization, then Moscow is not going to object.


    There is a bargaining between Minsk and Moscow. Who has stronger nerves, he will win.
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 2 February 2017 11: 50
      +17
      Quote: glory1974
      There is a bargaining between Minsk and Moscow. Who has stronger nerves, he will win.

      Putin well done. Finally, we stopped containing the modes after the experience with Ukainoi. I don’t like friendship with Moscow, please go wherever you want. . Just get ready for market relations.
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 2 February 2017 12: 02
        +5
        Quotation: blooded man
        please go wherever you want

        Wow. and infrastructure, and eq. communication, and the defense industry? “Go wherever you want means” that tomorrow there will be something like Ukraine and maybe NATO.
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 2 February 2017 15: 46
          +3
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          Quotation: blooded man
          please go wherever you want

          Wow. and infrastructure, and eq. communication, and the defense industry? “Go wherever you want means” that tomorrow there will be something like Ukraine and maybe NATO.

          In order for NATO not to attack, it is necessary to develop deterrence forces and not kings who at the most unpleasant moment can stick a knife in the back. But the defense industry needs to develop its own military industrial complex and pay a salary to its citizens.
        2. co-creator
          co-creator 2 February 2017 15: 58
          +1
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          Wow. and infrastructure, and eq. communication, and the defense industry? “Go wherever you want means” that tomorrow there will be something like Ukraine and maybe NATO

          So what to do? Ukraine has shown that money for a freebie and good relations lead on the contrary to trouble. Seichas our allies should have a clear choice, not blackmail.
    2. Asadullah
      Asadullah 2 February 2017 12: 01
      +18
      There is a bargaining between Minsk and Moscow. Who has stronger nerves, he will win.


      And then there are nerves, Lukashenko wants gas-oil at domestic prices of the Russian Federation, plus freedom of export. Nothing in return. Rather, in return, the status quo with the game in various alliances. Actually, this is when your partner in the card game, sets the conditions - he wins, and besides, you must pay him for the game. What to talk about? And what are the nerves? Russia, the only way to stay in power, otherwise, all the opposition, laboriously cultivated by the West, will receive a protest electorate. And not a few thousand, but millions. Here the blackmail is such, or I will give the country to Europe, or pay. Maybe there are options? For me, the conversation should be one, give it back and die.
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 2 February 2017 12: 03
      +9
      Quote: glory1974
      There is a bargaining between Minsk and Moscow. Who has stronger nerves, he will win.

      In fact, this is a dispute between business entities, which Luka once again transforms into a relationship policy. Under the contract, the Russian Federation supplies oil at preferential prices to oil refineries, under the same contract, the Russian Federation should receive gasoline, I don’t remember the numbers, conditionally 3 million tons. Gasoline received 30% of the contract, because Luka sold it to the West for bucks. It all started with that. Add RB debt for gas (for 500 million tanks) and an outstanding credit line for hundreds of million tanks.
  6. RUS96
    RUS96 2 February 2017 11: 39
    +1
    Rather, he himself will be taken outside the framework.
  7. viktor.
    viktor. 2 February 2017 11: 41
    +2
    The trouble is that Russia sells these hydrocarbons at one price and the other at another, there is a price and that's it!
    1. Felix
      Felix 2 February 2017 11: 49
      +4
      Quote: viktor.
      The trouble is that Russia sells these hydrocarbons at one price and the other at another, there is a price and that's it!

      What about shrimp? And on the tractor? The price of hydrocarbons is a political thing. If you move in one, they will respond to you with the price of oil. If you don’t want to move, buy at the market price.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 2 February 2017 11: 53
      +17
      Quote: viktor.
      The trouble is that Russia sells these hydrocarbons at one price and the other at another, there is a price and that's it!

      It doesn’t matter, it’s business. We in Russia buy foreign cars made in Europe at the same price, and Europeans in their own way are domestic, or we should take a pose like Luke and demand the price of the manufacturer’s factory.
      The cost of Russian gas in Europe is $ 215-235, the outskirts were offered at 185, Belarus buys at 135, but Luka really wants at $ 80.
      1. viktor.
        viktor. 2 February 2017 12: 00
        +2
        there is a price of 215-235 and that's it. for all one.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 2 February 2017 12: 17
          +7
          Quote: viktor.
          there is a price of 215-235 and that's it. for all one.

          The entire economy of the "collective farm" type, which Luka built, operates on the basis of cheap energy resources obtained from the Russian Federation. At real market prices, production of Belarus becomes unprofitable.
  8. Kisso4kin
    Kisso4kin 2 February 2017 11: 42
    +15
    Cool guy - Grigorich))) he is trying to get 17 yards of profaned American rubles))) it’s a pity that he chose the wrong method ...
    At this pace, tsarism will soon come to an end, but what will happen next ...))) there is a high probability of repeating the fate of the neighbors (((
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 2 February 2017 12: 07
      +6
      Quote: Kisso4kin
      At this rate, tsarism will soon end

      So after all, they say such things about us.
      Quote: Kisso4kin
      it is likely to repeat the fate of the neighbors (((

      Then we will hang ourselves. Solid front from the Baltic to the Black Sea. As in the Second World War. Only the people are not the one and we will fight one way or another with the "brothers" Slavs. The dream of the states and Europe. Are they sensitive to losses? OK, they will not be. The natives (that is, that is) themselves zafigachat each other. The main thing with the hands of liberal governments firewood toss to the fire
      1. Kisso4kin
        Kisso4kin 2 February 2017 13: 57
        0
        Old Man is bored)))
        You can’t wash in few places. everywhere already gone. So he is engaged in this kind of movement, anyway there is nothing to raise the economy for. It will play and fall to the ground. He knows very well that having finally turned his back on Russia, he will not only lose it, but he will also bother
  9. Petr1
    Petr1 2 February 2017 11: 43
    +19
    I’m tired of this dictator Lukashenka, Russia’s brother is not my brother. How much is possible. I would also like to pay for the housing and communal services at my own tariff, which I like, and for sausage and gasoline, and I would smile at everyone and be very pleased.
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 2 February 2017 12: 04
      +1
      The dictator is somehow liberoid! We will always agree with Belarus, with or without Lukashenko!
      1. Petr1
        Petr1 2 February 2017 12: 30
        0
        Quote: You Vlad
        A dictator is like a liberoid!

        But kt0 is he like that?
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 2 February 2017 13: 44
          0
          He is the president of his country, chosen by a majority repeatAnglo-Saxons call the dictator those leaders who send them to the forest and begin to think about their people repeat
          1. Petr1
            Petr1 2 February 2017 14: 39
            +1
            Quote: You Vlad
            He is the president of his country, chosen by a majority

            How old is he president? Where is his opposition? The president wanted and led the republic out of the CSTO, not the people decided by the President !!!
            He is a dictator, no doubt.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 2 February 2017 14: 58
              0
              And what’s your business, how old is the president? It’s not up to you to decide, but to the citizens of Belarus! If he suits them, then he is authorized to think about their interests! All these changes of presidents entail only one thing, that the so-called president becomes only a pawn in the wrong hands Do you imagine how much time a person needs to plunge into the topic of government? But smart people figured out how to avoid this, you need to change presidents more often and the more democratic the state wassat You do not see the whole absurdity of the situation? what
              1. Petr1
                Petr1 2 February 2017 16: 21
                +2
                But it’s such that the president cannot rule the state unchanged, unlike dictators or emperors. Kim Jong-un also suits everyone, means he is authorized, and who doesn’t like him has rotted for a long time.
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 2 February 2017 16: 49
                  0
                  "And it is such that the president cannot rule the state forever, unlike dictators or emperors." And tell me in secret why? wassat
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 2 February 2017 21: 53
          +3
          Quote: Petr1
          But kt0 is he like that?

          In March 2015, Minsk turned to the Eurasian Fund for Stabilization and Development with a request to issue a loan of $ 3 billion. However, the fund decided to give out only $ 2,1 billion, and not immediately, but in several tranches over three years. Minsk received the first two tranches of $ 800 million last year. The Eurasian Fund requires that the national debt to Belarus’s GDP should not exceed 45%. But now this figure is 45,5%, and it will be difficult to keep it at that level. Devaluation, recession, or fulfillment of state guarantees (which last year rose to 11,7% of GDP) may lead to a state debt exceeding the mark by 60%. In 2017, Belarus needs to pay off $ 1,2 billion of foreign currency bonds. And also pay $ 800 million in Eurobonds in January 2018. In total, Minsk needs $ 2 billion just to pay off its debts.
          Out of nowhere Luke will not come out !!! Most likely, Russia will give this "collective farmer" $ 2 billion, but only on what terms. hi
  10. Observer2014
    Observer2014 2 February 2017 11: 45
    +8
    Media: Lukashenko intends to withdraw Belarus from the EAEU and the CSTO
    laughing You sho! And we thought the old man knows how to be friends not because of pennies! laughing
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 2 February 2017 11: 58
      +15
      : And what will happen to the collective farms if tomorrow everything disappears from the shelves in Russia in an instant. Belarus probably forgot the end of 2000. When there was a ball on the shelves, I was passing through Minsk. I had to go to local sights for a day. All current well-fed life in Belarus is no secret to 99% dependent on Russia. The Kremlin did not allow pennies to print. Now a freebie in the form of oil bye-bye. This means that we should buy products from Belarus as much as they want to buy. And our (oil is also a product) how much the Old Man wants laughing It doesn't happen that long.
      1. andrewTSO
        andrewTSO 2 February 2017 22: 31
        +4
        Quote: Observer2014
        : So the products from Belarus, we have to how much they want to buy. And our (oil is also a product) how much the dad wants laughing It doesn't happen that long.

        And one more trick has recently manifested itself: I have one friend at the ice cream factory who is working as the chief technologist. So, they always bought butter in Belarus. And they hardly even checked it, very rarely. Now, now, for a couple of years, behind them, says, eye and eye - they are trying to get into such pornography, shaw kapets! Complaints, he says, have to be written almost every second week. But she won’t lie - she’s been working as the chief technologist since Soviet times, she determines the oil quality better than the analyzer by “organoleptic methods”, and there’s no reason ...
  11. cap
    cap 2 February 2017 11: 46
    +10
    The day before, a statement was published in the Belarusian media that the oil “is available to Belarus itself, and it could last 35 years, only the production of hydrocarbons, as well as Belarusian gold and diamonds (and they also are ...) is unprofitable”.


    You can dig something on asteroids, but there are no rockets and technologies yet. Hence the conclusion, early insanity, and immediately 2 degrees. Mother-in-law 3 therefore I know what I'm saying.
    1. Smog
      Smog 2 February 2017 12: 30
      +3
      At the mother-in-law 3.

      So it’s time to erect a monument, in the hero’s homeland !!!!! soldier laughing laughing
    2. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 3 February 2017 09: 52
      +1
      I really understand you.((
      The grandmother, a neighbor from above, is also senile. I am calm and philosophical when she drowns me.
  12. jovanni
    jovanni 2 February 2017 11: 46
    +6
    The Yanukovych-Parashenko case lives and wins! In Belarus too ...
  13. GeorgeSev85
    GeorgeSev85 2 February 2017 11: 47
    +4
    Old Man ... fooled what?
  14. Smog
    Smog 2 February 2017 11: 48
    +7
    And what? Dad also wanted to Rostov region for permanent residence ??? recourse
    Maybe he’s bought a house already? In the neighborhood with a well-known individual. fool
    1. andrewTSO
      andrewTSO 2 February 2017 22: 34
      +1
      Nah-nah, what is it like that, so right "under Rostov"? And not, for example, Belgorod. Or Voronezh?
  15. kenig1
    kenig1 2 February 2017 11: 49
    +4
    Where will Lukashenko run after the Maidan?
    1. Smog
      Smog 2 February 2017 12: 01
      +4
      Quote: kenig1
      Where will Lukashenko run after the Maidan?


      Russia is a generous soul ...........
  16. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 2 February 2017 11: 49
    +2
    This is Putin’s cunning plan. laughing We need non-aligned allies.
  17. staviator
    staviator 2 February 2017 11: 50
    +4
    Quote: VSZMK
    the production of hydrocarbons, as well as Belarusian gold and diamonds (and they also exist ...) is still unprofitable

    While there are enough shrimps and lobsters from the Belarusian sea.

    And also kiwi, bananas and avocados from the fields of Belarus
  18. Glory1974
    Glory1974 2 February 2017 11: 50
    +7
    The whole history of Belarusian statehood in the 1990 — 2000 years is one continuous tactic.
    The lack of a strategic “framework” led the republic into an economic and social impasse. Today, the main problem of Belarus is that Russia, which is its main trade and political partner, did not conserve Soviet production relations on its territory - if anyone had any illusions, the default of 1998 of the year dispelled them. The modern Russian economy is much more open and market in nature than the Belarusian one; therefore, there can be no talk of any equal interaction. A paradoxical situation has developed: in the financial and economic “food pyramid”, Russia, which is an exporter of raw materials, is higher than Belarus, which produces precision engineering products.

    You can, of course, become isolated within your borders, proclaim autocracy, come up with something like Juche’s ideas and build socialism in one country for some time, but such a strategy has no prospects, and sooner or later Belarus will have to turn to Russia and reanimate the concept of the Union State.
    This is quite obvious, and the sharp protests of A. Lukashenko did not make much impression on President V. Putin. It is clear to the Kremlin that Belarus cannot avoid joining the Russian Federation and that only details of the integration process are subject to discussion by Minsk
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 2 February 2017 12: 06
      +7
      Belarus cannot avoid joining the Russian Federation


      I always neighing the independence of Belarusians

      it will be so
      1. Yura
        Yura 2 February 2017 12: 39
        +1
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        it will be so

        By and large, this is the only normal way out of the situation for them, for us it is also not bad, although if you think about it at what point. Throw a couple of bags on a cart when the horse pulls uphill, not every owner will do it if not bad, another thing if the horses are a couple in one harness.
  19. dumkopff
    dumkopff 2 February 2017 11: 50
    +11
    It is unfortunate, of course, that the integration project is stalling, but Lukashenko is such a slippery type. It requires preferences, violates the terms of the customs union, Crimea did not recognize Russia, with Poroshenko almost hammering in the gums. So - he went to hell with his blackmail. You can live without it.
  20. Winnie76
    Winnie76 2 February 2017 11: 50
    +10
    How can we survive without the Belarusian bastion. Someone will protect us now. Frightened by a mustachio ... Farewell to royal Belarusian shrimp, it will be hard for me without you ...
  21. twerity
    twerity 2 February 2017 11: 51
    +3
    Now the Kazakhs need to follow in the footsteps of Ukraine and Belarus to leave Russia.
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 2 February 2017 12: 41
      +2
      Kazakhs are too wise to do something to their own detriment.
      1. andrewTSO
        andrewTSO 2 February 2017 22: 37
        +1
        Yes, eastern people ...
  22. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 2 February 2017 11: 51
    +6
    Potato will be sold to Europe. laughing But seriously, either blackmail or sold out. Belarus tse Europe bully
  23. Kazak_35
    Kazak_35 2 February 2017 11: 52
    +10
    With all due respect to the Old Man, he has a certain protistitutochnost. We introduced sanctions on food supplies from the EU, he began to drive goods through his republic, the same story with oil (bought cheaper, sold more expensive). It’s bad that such allies can leave, although on the other hand ... Well, their allies.
  24. Serge 732
    Serge 732 2 February 2017 11: 52
    +2
    Something tells me not to good it’s “everything” goes as if there was no second Maidan, God forbid of course. smile
  25. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 2 February 2017 11: 53
    +3
    Our milkmen will calmly and themselves begin to drive milk powder.
  26. Igor V
    Igor V 2 February 2017 11: 53
    +3
    Srendil Rygoritch, lost a sense of reality. And it does this when the merikos cookies are no longer baking, only continue to occupy the troops of Eastern Europe. Well, there is no man who would explain to him the disposition?
  27. Cynic
    Cynic 2 February 2017 11: 53
    +9
    Something recently often remembered

    And "Old Man" is a special case.

    Essential if this material is true
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 2 February 2017 12: 45
      0
      I thought a lot, I think God and Reason are one and the same. That is, depriving Reason deprives itself.
      1. andrewTSO
        andrewTSO 2 February 2017 22: 39
        +1
        This is explained in ALL religious works, moreover, in plain text!
  28. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 2 February 2017 11: 55
    +3
    Enraged dad. Well, the flag in his jo ..., I'm sorry, in your arms!
  29. Knowing
    Knowing 2 February 2017 11: 56
    +5
    Lukashenka tore off the roof ... However ...Independence is the whole complex of the state’s life, from politics and ideology to finance and economics. If the leadership of Belarus decided to take this path, by embarking on the path of the “economic war”, then this development strategy of the Belarusian state will not cause any questions.
  30. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 2 February 2017 11: 58
    +6
    To stop deliveries until they pay off debts, and if they leave the EAEU and the CSTO, they will die. This and Luka must understand. So no need to clatter with him
    1. MAGRIB
      MAGRIB 3 February 2017 11: 25
      +1
      Oh well, and die?)))
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  32. core
    core 2 February 2017 12: 00
    +9
    are Belarusians there? can express their point of view? they will talk about the mood of people, the police, the army.
    curious.
    1. viking1703
      viking1703 2 February 2017 12: 09
      +12
      Mood ex. only among security officials and officials. The rest live as they can. Who is good, who is bad. Everyone has different points of view. I quarrel with the Russians, I think no one has the desire, but the border between our countries is too much. But it will be seen what will happen next).
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 2 February 2017 12: 23
        +2
        Decent answer. Someone believes that this is only Lukashenko blackmailing Putin, but not vice versa. Belarusians definitely have no desire to quarrel with the Russians. But this does not mean that they can be blackmailed by this dependence on the Russian market. We do not know the details of the negotiations. And if they knew, then what?
        That's just without tantrums. I agree that “who is who” will be seen later.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 2 February 2017 12: 34
          +3
          But this does not mean that they can be blackmailed by this dependence on the Russian market.


          to get a market - to make concessions. this is how things are going. And you write about patronage. That Russia should open the market and in return also have different conditions

          It is time to land an independent tsar - for in fact the independence is only of the good will of the Russian Federation.

          1. Vladimir Postnikov
            Vladimir Postnikov 2 February 2017 19: 41
            +2
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            It is time to land an independent tsar - for in fact the independence is only of the good will of the Russian Federation.
            Is the Independent Tsar Lukashenko? And Putin and Chubais are democratic rulers? Are you aware of negotiations on the price of oil for Belarus and the price of its transportation through Belarus? Are you aware of other economic relations between our countries?
            If yes, then lay out the facts. If not, then ...
            If the attitude of Russians to Belarusians in proportion to their own matches the comments on this site, then I will not be surprised that more and more Belarusians will turn away from Russia. The twenty first century in the yard. Imperial manners, like colonial relations, no longer correspond to time. Trading is not dictating. An ally is not the one who immediately takes off his pants at the slightest shout from the owner.
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 2 February 2017 14: 22
        +3
        Busting is all shantrap without visas to let in and the border is the right answer to this.
    2. demos1111
      demos1111 2 February 2017 12: 48
      +11
      We have more than 40 million police in Poland. The fact that we have long been aware of krants in the economy Belarusians are very calm, so many wars have passed through their lands, all who raised their heads, were slaughtered. They use it. We cannot survive without Russia, they know it. But the current system will drive wherever it wants; There will be no Donbass of its own.
      Here they often talk about the lessons of Ukraine. That's interesting, but Russia has mastered its lessons in Ukraine? Or decided to hand over their historical lands? Or are the green men over?
      I know, it’s insulting to you to tears, believe me worse, I have all the brothers in you in Russia, I’m of universal age, children, I well know how this is with the Ukrainians.
      So again, Russian Vani will have to do everything, I want to howl at the thought of handing it over in Ukraine, although I definitely understand that there was no other way in Ukraine. A hungry stomach contributes very well to the brain. But those who decide have not become less.
      And yet, these antics were visible for a long time, if you hadn’t prepared yet. Something like this.
    3. Slon_on
      Slon_on 2 February 2017 12: 56
      +3
      I don’t understand why the left infa from Regnum caused such turbulence of shit. Regnum is a lamp of truthfulness? wassat
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 2 February 2017 13: 04
        +1
        it is seething for the second day on all resources in the Russian Federation
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 2 February 2017 20: 21
        +2
        Quote: Slon_on
        I don’t understand why the left infa from Regnum caused such turbulence of shit. Regnum is a lamp of truthfulness?

        Because after "ATO is a warrior for independence," we will not be surprised at anything. He crossed the line and in Moscow they understood it.
      3. MAGRIB
        MAGRIB 3 February 2017 11: 27
        0
        armagitprom taxis wink
  33. neoshef
    neoshef 2 February 2017 12: 00
    +4
    Well, then, if Lukashenko wants to turn his country into a banana republic, the flag in his hands.
    1. 0255
      0255 2 February 2017 13: 12
      +5
      Belarus is already an almost banana republic with a murdered industry, beggarly salaries of $ 100-200, high prices and a parasitism tax, which requires money from the unemployed.
  34. lukewarm
    lukewarm 2 February 2017 12: 01
    +7
    In general, the Ukrainian scenario of the 2000s is repeated. The current war was preceded by a gas war. But father sat quietly until the crisis pecked. Looks like a squeeze, since he behaved like that. I honestly do not know the layouts of how real and fair the price that is written in the contract is. I only know that father is certainly cunning, but do not forget about our oil gas oligarchs and other "national treasures" Take a look at the price tags at gas stations. That is, to take and stop paying like Belarusians is bad. But twisting their hands is no better. Moreover, our people will not see this money anyway, but they will receive a new enemy, as they already received hoh ... sorry Ukraintsy. A familiar Armenian said: “States when they want something, for example, they pay a base. But they say you pay a little, you want everything from friendship.” Disgusting position, but it is a reality. So with such a course that we have the dump of Belarus - a matter of time. Yes, and the Eurasian Economic Community, not having time to be born, is bursting at the seams. And if there is no common market, then there will be no currency of it (in currency, the market is needed for self-sufficiency). If it goes as sad as it is now, we will continue to sit on the dollar needle. Which, in general, is quite comfortable with our pro-American globalist government and the oligarchs. I suspect that for this they provoke oil and gas wars with neighbors.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 2 February 2017 12: 35
      +1
      reluctantly Today, 12:01 New
      In general, the Ukrainian scenario of the 2000s is repeated. The current war was preceded by a gas war. But father sat quietly until the crisis pecked. Looks like a squeeze, since he behaved like that. I honestly do not know the layouts of how real and fair the price that is written in the contract is. I only know that father is certainly cunning, but do not forget about our oil gas oligarchs and other "national treasures" Take a look at the price tags at gas stations. That is, to take and stop paying like Belarusians is bad. But twisting their hands is no better. Moreover, our people will not see this money anyway, but they will receive a new enemy, as they already received hoh ... sorry Ukraintsy. A familiar Armenian said: “States when they want something, for example, they pay a base. But they say you pay a little, you want everything from friendship.” Disgusting position, but it is a reality. So with such a course that we have the dump of Belarus - a matter of time. Yes, and the Eurasian Economic Community, not having time to be born, is bursting at the seams. And if there is no common market, then there will be no currency of it (in currency, the market is needed for self-sufficiency). If it goes as sad as it is now, we will continue to sit on the dollar needle. Which, in general, is quite comfortable with our pro-American globalist government and the oligarchs. I suspect that for this they provoke oil and gas wars with neighbors.


      I agree with your not very pleasant conclusions, dear "reluctant"!
      The development of RF-RB relations, alas, in many respects resembles RF-RU relations in the 2000s. In Ukraine, it ended with Maidan under American leadership, and a civil war on the border with New Russia. At this time, and given Lukashenko’s constant evacuation in matters of prices and trade, the prospects for RF-RB relations are so far dangerous.
      Although, as others have written here, the Russian oligarchs, Belarusian partners, are not particularly favored, they strip off wherever they can.
      Well, as for the friendship of the peoples of “Russians and Belarusians” and the “Belarusian bastion” on the western border of Russia, here, alas, in my opinion it is extremely simple: Russia will not want to pay for the friendship of Belarusians, the West will quickly agree to pay for the friendship of Belarusians with Europe and the USA! So the threat of repeating the Ukrainian scenario, with or without Maidan, is very great!
      Indeed, in the 2000s or 2010s, one of us could imagine the Maidan in 2013-2014. and the current fratricidal war in Donetsk and Lugansk? But as we all see, people perish and the war continues, and when the “ATO”, according to Ukrainian concepts, is over, it’s too early to guess.
      The same Trump, even if he wants to improve relations with Russia, then as an entrepreneur he will do this only "for something in exchange or for payment"that Russia itself may later come out sideways ?!
      Friends in the West from Russia NEVER BEEN and NO!
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 2 February 2017 12: 36
      +3
      Take a look at the price tags at gas stations.


      about $ 0,5



      expensive gasoline? It’s cheaper to buy a donkey then a car.

      Moreover, our people still will not see this money, but they will receive a new enemy


      rave.

      So with such a course that we have the dump of Belarus - a matter of time.


      I think that the sooner Belarusians understand that independence is a clowning in their case, the faster it will return home

      “When the states want something, the base, for example, is paid. But you say they pay little, you all want friendships”


      we pay little for our own roof of Armenia from neighbors?)

      If it goes as sad as it is now, we will continue to sit on the dollar needle.


      recourse



      1. Oleg Salov
        Oleg Salov 2 February 2017 14: 20
        +3
        With a salary in Germany of an average of 300000 rubles, and with us, 20000 rubles, as now, is expensive or not.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 2 February 2017 14: 27
          +2
          Well then, let's get a communal apartment like in Germany, and calculate the taxes, the cost of housing and life in general (kindergartens, a hospital, a car tax)

          It is naive to think that there is cosmos and then despondency. The standard of living is higher - well, under Germany the EU (500 million people is the market) - and under us Belarus (+ 8 million to our market) even as it turns out, no laughing

          so you just have to be objective and take into account many factors - and not pull the salary figures and blame them

          PS The figure about gasoline was shown to the fact that someone does not triple the price. I showed that it is the lowest in Europe
        2. Oleg Monarchist
          Oleg Monarchist 2 February 2017 16: 22
          +2
          Fans of Europe love their salaries as an example. You bring the prices, cost of living.

          This is probably the German average rich man with a salary of 300000000000000 ...... rub? laughing

    3. andrewTSO
      andrewTSO 2 February 2017 22: 44
      +2
      Those. do you think - to give them oil and gas and all a bunch? And the mug does not crack ?!
  35. Divanavod
    Divanavod 2 February 2017 12: 03
    +1
    I’ll be given some stupidity. All the ties to Russia - try to dump and fill up the country. Well, more likely, they’ll figure it out with gas.
    1. The brightest
      The brightest 2 February 2017 17: 21
      +1
      That's about the same thing I thought when the fuss in Ukraine began.
  36. friend of animals
    friend of animals 2 February 2017 12: 05
    +2
    Old Man in his repertoire, trying to sit on 2 stools. He should understand that no matter how friendly he is with Europe, if pro-Western forces come to power, he will become a sacred victim. Probably, this will happen in more peaceful tones than with Gaddafi, but he will definitely be on the bunk.
  37. valerian
    valerian 2 February 2017 12: 06
    +5
    ..the mustachioed honey has completely turned brown already.
  38. staviator
    staviator 2 February 2017 12: 06
    +11
    A rare paskuda “Father”. The whole economy is kept at the expense of Russia, free tranches, discounts on energy resources, a sales market, duty-free trade, what else? What else is needed for normal friendly relations, as they introduced sanctions against us, he first started shouting that you need to look for other partners, who the hell needs your bulb besides Russia? Who will give you money, the only dictator of Europe, as he was called by the Western media, this friendship of peoples is too expensive for Russia. And what do we have? Besides talking about the great friendship of peoples?
  39. family tree
    family tree 2 February 2017 12: 06
    +2
    Well, Regnum blundered, I’ll wait for the official what
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 2 February 2017 12: 42
      +2
      Quote: perepilka
      Well, Regnum blundered, I’ll wait for the official

      It is just that a meeting between Putin and Lukashenko is coming soon and apparently the stuffing is used to probe each other's reaction to harsh statements. I think it’s not going to extremes.

      A meeting between the presidents of Russia and Belarus, Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko, can take place in the first half of February in Moscow. Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov confirmed to Izvestia that such a meeting is planned, and that the agenda includes the issue of energy cooperation between the two countries.
      The apparatus of the Union State Standing Committee reported that a meeting of the leaders of Russia and Belarus is in preparation, but the exact date of the meeting has not yet been agreed. Russia, as the host country, suggested holding it on February 9, but Belarus has not yet given its confirmation. The press service of the Embassy of Belarus in the Russian Federation added that information on the final date has not yet been received from Minsk.
      Earlier it was reported that Minsk’s debt for gas supplied from the Russian Federation is about $ 550 million. Debt has been accumulating since January 2016, when Belarus demanded a reduction in the cost of raw materials and unilaterally decided to pay less. It was assumed that before the end of the year the parties will agree. However, Minsk asked for additional concessions, and as a result, the countries did not agree.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 2 February 2017 12: 47
        +2
        that Minsk’s debt for gas supplied from Russia is about $ 550 million.


        zenith arena cost more wassat

        funny - for some country this is the last money - in a country it’s one of many projects (though expensive and stealing)



        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 2 February 2017 12: 58
          +3
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          zenith arena cost more

          Looking at what to consider, it is possible in unfinished kindergartens, schools, hospitals, in kilometers of unfinished roads, it is possible in Armaty, S-400, SU-35. How closer to anyone.
          1. family tree
            family tree 2 February 2017 16: 57
            0
            Quote: Anatol Klim
            How closer to anyone.

            A brother-in-law in Belarus, native and only, with his wife, daughters and granddaughters, much closer request
  40. antikilller55
    antikilller55 2 February 2017 12: 08
    +4
    The freedom-loving people of Belarus decide for themselves what is good for him and what he needs, if you want to go out for God's sake, go. the main thing is not to regret it later.
    1. Oleg Salov
      Oleg Salov 2 February 2017 13: 51
      +1
      Quote: antikilller55
      The freedom-loving people of Belarus decide for themselves what is good for him and what he needs, if you want to go out for God's sake, go. the main thing is not to regret it later.
      1. Oleg Salov
        Oleg Salov 2 February 2017 13: 52
        +1
        Yes, the main thing is where to go and how.
  41. Balamyt
    Balamyt 2 February 2017 12: 10
    +6
    Such an ally friend, worse than a dozen fierce enemies! It's time to put it in its place, and cut off from the "freebie nipples"!
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 2 February 2017 12: 35
      +4
      And to whom should Luke be an ally? Dvorkovich? Chubais? Sechin? Why such a fright? Speeching too superficially. And the devil is in the details.
  42. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 2 February 2017 12: 11
    +3
    Lukashenko must understand that his country will turn into a limitroph without industry, like the former countries of the eastern bloc, and some republics. Mb with new trends from across the ocean decided that they will agree with him. hardly eaten up. The consequences of the Gorbachev perestroika, the hollow Tryndets, the brainless top did not have a goal or a strategy, here is the result. The "bloodless" collapse turned out to be a delayed conflict.
    1. Oleg Salov
      Oleg Salov 2 February 2017 13: 56
      +1
      The countries of the former eastern bloc entered the EU, but they won’t take the dad there, but let them take it for me, you don’t show off there, I want, I don’t want to.
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 2 February 2017 16: 51
        0
        Perhaps expects to repeat the experience of Singapore, comrade LiQuanYu, a pro-Western, tough hand that succeeded.
  43. Damask
    Damask 2 February 2017 12: 12
    +3
    Yes, let them go, but how much can you bargain, and the path of Mubarak will be shorter
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  45. 72jora72
    72jora72 2 February 2017 12: 24
    +9
    Quote: Max Otto
    Well, a little Belarus would have earned a few million dollars in oil, no one would have died, much less oil, there’s nothing special to hunch over, it is a gift from the Earth. No damn, what kind of hee you sold more than we allowed?
    A couple of million ???????????????? Russia subsidized Belarus over 25 years for almost 100 billion evergreens ........
  46. fzr1000
    fzr1000 2 February 2017 12: 24
    +4
    You can not knock out the chairman of the collective farm from the chairman of the collective farm
  47. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 2 February 2017 12: 25
    +3
    He always considered Lukashenka a slippery burbot with the abilities of a good collective farm chairman, who could not see anything further than his central estate. He simply decided to blackmail Moscow to wrinkle preferences once again.
  48. Izotovp
    Izotovp 2 February 2017 12: 26
    +3
    How it all got fed up: the war is on the verge, and they change processes and think that they will be given a good life in the West after the occupation.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 2 February 2017 12: 57
      +1
      Sorry, typo: measured by processes ...
  49. libivs
    libivs 2 February 2017 12: 27
    +2
    Probably father promised something very tasty ... For no reason, he does nothing. That's interesting what they promised. Is the quota for the supply of Belarusian agricultural products to the EU? Or a quota for equipment? Hardly. Lukashenko was not at all and never looked like him, unlike the Ukrainian political monkey. Belarus, or rather its modern economy, can exist only in economic conjunction with Russia, as well as Ukraine and even the hot Baltic tigers. Either in the current semi-Union state, not too rocking, or like the rest, "against Russia, at the expense of Russia." Apparently, the Old Man knows what we can only guess about and get into bouts of conspiracy theories. Perhaps we are talking about some changes in the leadership of the Russian Federation and a correction towards the final return of Russia to the pro-Western track ...
  50. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 2 February 2017 12: 28
    +3
    Quote: Winnie76
    Quote: Tiksi-3
    the Kremlin looters are to blame here .... they profiled Ukraine, now they profound Belarusians

    What do you think should be "kremleputy" so as not to "profo" Belarusians. Non-repayable loans in time to give when Belarusians run out of money? Or silently swallow all the fun stuff like smuggling, uncoordinated entry of visa-free, "support" in the international arena. Or maybe buy products from Belarusians to the detriment of their own producers? Won't crack?

    I agree with your comment. You need to be friends, but on an equal footing. And it turns out they gave money to friends, then we’re friends, no enemies. For example, we have 130 g. Of their Glubinsky condensed milk and 69 g.