Kadyrov entered into correspondence controversy with the Minister of Education of the Russian Federation about the headscarves in schools

An absentee dispute ensued between the head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, and the Minister of Education of the Russian Federation, Olga Vasilyeva. The head of the Ministry of Education and Science said the other day that the discussion of wearing hijabs in Russian schools looks strange for the simple reason that Russia is a secular state and that the corresponding ban was recognized as a legal decision of the Supreme Court.

Olga Vasilyeva:

I do not think that true believers try to emphasize their attitude to faith with attributes. We have a secular nature of education.

However, she cited examples with episodes in the Stavropol region, where the father forbade daughters to attend school and came into conflict with the leadership of an educational institution due to the fact that they forbade girls to wear hijabs.

Kadyrov commented on the statement of the Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation in his Instagram:

The Constitution of the Russian Federation “guarantees freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, to choose, have and spread religious and other convictions and act in accordance with them” (Chapter 2, article 28). Apparently, not all officials read this article. Olga Vasilyeva, Minister of Education of the Russian Federation, said: “The Constitutional Court has decided that hijab, as emphasizing nationality, has no place in school! Therefore, I believe that this issue was resolved by the Constitutional Court ... And I do not think that true believers are trying to emphasize their attitudes to faith with attributes. This is my deep personal conviction. " But the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation did not consider this issue and did not take a decision on it! Conclusions based on a non-existent decision should be recognized as erroneous and misleading Russian citizens. A handkerchief is not an attribute, but an important part of the clothes of a Muslim woman, which is prescribed by the Most High Allah and the Prophet (pbuh). Vasilyeva has the right to express her “personal conviction”, but it remains her opinion and does not accept the force of law. It is surprising that the Minister, instead of correcting local leaders, imposes his “PERSONAL CONVERSION” to millions of citizens. My three daughters go to school, wear hijab, have excellent grades. Does Olga Vasilyeva require them to take off their scarves? Girls will never do that. Should I pick them up from school and with them look for a place where girls will be allowed to be Muslim? In the fight against the enemies of Russia, which guarantees the rights of 30 million Muslims, I lost hundreds of people close and dear to me. I am convinced that the theme of scarves is tossed in to divert public attention from the real problems of the school. Drug abuse, drunkenness, crime, systematic abuse of teachers on the sexual integrity of children ... That's what should worry everyone who fights with hijabs. Study the role of Islam in the development of world science. Chemistry, physics, mathematics, astronomy, medicine, geography, philosophy, agricultural engineering, linguistics ... The merits of Islam in these areas are known to the whole world. Therefore, you should not try to pour water on the mill of those who are interested in splitting Russian society, provoking high-profile conflict situations!

Recall that the decision of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation banning the wearing of hijabs, as well as mini-skirts and blouses with a deep cleavage, girls-schoolgirls was recognized as legal in the Republic of Mordovia. Initially, this decision was made by the Mordovian government. All-Russian decisions on this issue yet.

Discussion of the topic of wearing hijabs in schools again heated up after the decision of local authorities in one of the regions of Tatarstan to impose a ban on the wearing of religious paraphernalia in public educational institutions.

Comments

[Mar.Tirah]

What else did they decide to teach Chechnya! Not for that, mosques and special forces schools are being built there to impose Russian value systems. The laws of the mountains should rule there. And Putin supports them.

[dvina71]

Quote: Mar. Tira

It’s not for that that mosques and special forces schools are being built there to impose Russian value systems.

The imposition of religion and rituals. Were never Russian values.
In addition .. another hundred years have not passed, as in the European part of Russia customs ceased to operate by the obligatory wearing of a women's scarf (board).

[Stas157]

Well, now we are waiting for a flurry of insults from Olga Vasilyeva, Kadyrov’s fellow tribesmen, in particular deputy Delimkhanov, and the beating of her children, as happened recently, with the pride of our sport, Fedor Emelianenko!

[himRa]

Are you a provocateur?
if so then you have nothing to go into the kitchen to take out your stench in society for this there is media
if not then take a bite accept validol and exhale

[Tatyana]

Kadyrov
The Constitution of the Russian Federation “everyone is guaranteed freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, to choose, have and disseminate religious and other beliefs and act in accordance with them” (Chapter 2, Article 28).

But religion under the Constitution of the Russian Federation is a private affair of everyone. Do you want to believe in God, if you want, no. Moreover, the church in the Russian Federation is separated from the state.
Kadyrov is wrong! And he interprets the Constitution of the Russian Federation exclusively as a religious extremist in a secular multinational and multiconfessional state, according to which specific religiosity is attributed to absolutely ALL people of a certain nationality - for example, Chechens - already in the form of their national ATTRIBUTE (i.e., an inherent national property of ABSOLUTELY all Chechens).
Besides. In fact, any religious paraphernalia in clothes obliges a person to the corresponding religious behavior of him, as an individual wearing it on himself. In a multiconfessional state such as the Russian Federation, only secular constitutional laws exclude and protect - equalize the rights of all people (believers and non-believers) - from interreligious and other conflicts between believers and atheists in public public places such as the general education school where they study, and same, minor citizens of the country.
It's ridiculous! Kadyrov does well want Muslims to study in secular schools, receiving a scientifically sound education from the state, and at the same time observe their religion, actively demonstrating it in people of different beliefs. Let the children of Muslims then attend private Muslim schools. Dudaev was more logical and believed that in Ichkeria Muslim boys would have enough 3 classes of education, and girls 2.
Kadyrov’s logic is not all right. He wants to get on the Christmas tree and not get too torn! Correctly Kadyrov said to himself that he was more a warrior than a politician.

[sergeybulkin]

Kadyrov’s logic is not all right.

Hijab is just a shawl, which is why inflate from an elephant's fly! If you do not know - in the old days in Russia, all women always and everywhere wore a scarf, it was considered impossible to leave the house without a scarf. In the church and now must go in a scarf. This is with the advent of Soviet power and the imposition of militant atheism, all this is gone. We must be allowed to observe traditions, even if they go in burqa. Kadyrov’s rights to all 100. Fan up the conflict, out of nothing.

[Tatyana]

Quote: sergeybulkin
in the old days in Russia, all women always and everywhere wore a scarf; it was considered impossible to leave the house without a scarf.

Well, then let's hit the old days and we will "slurp soup with bast shoes"! As one woman once told me, "Why do you buy toilet paper?" - " What do you mean why?! "And she seriously answers me:" There is a NEWSPAPER for this! "

[arkadack]

She compares correctly. Well, let's put on a religious dress festival in schools. All will come in what. How long do you think it will take on this basis for conflicts among children? You say, "Why on earth?" And children have no article. They have everything on emotions and character. There are still conflicts. They cannot but be. These are people, although they are still small. But these conflicts do not lie in the sphere of religion. And according to your logic, they will. And what should teachers wear? Will we all celebrate religious holidays in schools? Or can we sort it out somehow? To drag religion to schools is nonsense. And this nonsense is shoved by adults. Shortsighted adults who live too well.

[INTER]

Quote: Tatiana

Well then, let’s hit old times and we’ll slurp cabbage soup!

And no one tells you to hit old times, you want to live in a modern way, live, and someone wants to live differently, so this is also their choice, the Old Believers live and this is also their business, not yours.

[Tatyana]

Quote: INTER
someone wants to live differently so this is also their choice, the Old Believers then live and this is also their business, not yours not mine.

At the heart of every religious faith is its own IDEOLOGY. In the absence of secular state ideology, a multiconfessional state ceases to automatically be a single whole and breaks up according to religious and ideological grounds. It is precisely this type of collapse of Russia that is laid down in the US CIA Harvard project for the further collapse of the USSR / Russia into small religious monarchies with their external control by the USA.
With your "alignment", you can be sure that Russia will definitely fall apart!
Remember - the freedom of some is limited to the freedom of others - namely, the freedom to keep Russia in territorial integrity and security.
So you have a very superficial look at believers and religion.
I think that A. Nevzorov will explain this to you better than me.

What is a believer? Series "LESSONS OF ATHEISM". Published: 26 nov. 2012 r.


Nevzorov: on the origin of the law on the protection of the feelings of believers. Series "LESSONS OF ATHEISM". Published: 13 apr. 2013

[kit_bellew]

Let us finally clarify the concepts of faith, religion, and others like them. But first - debriefing

Quote: Tatiana

At the heart of every religious faith is its own IDEOLOGY.

Leaving the construct "religious faith" on your conscience, I must say that all three world religions have one ideology - the ideology of the afterlife, the quality of which clearly depends on the individual's behavior in this worldly life.
I deliberately noted three world religions rather than foursince Buddhism is inherently not a religion.
In any issue, one of the main points is to give key concepts a definition that excludes interpretation. It is very important to exclude interpretations. Existence of interpretations allows a huge number of lawyers to exist, which in a healthy society are simply not needed and which could be sent to obtain uranium ore.
Let's start with the definition of religion. Religion is a state institutionbased on a certain metaphysical idea and designed to consolidate the unequal position of people in society for the benefit of the bearers of power in this society. The master must be the master, the slave - the slave. It is commanded from above. A good master will be rewarded in eternal life, and a good slave will be rewarded in eternal life. - this is the essence of religion.
Of course, the essence of religion has always been understood only by its beneficiaries: kings-kings and priests with rabbis. To consolidate the desired effect in the heads of the slaves (a good slave will be rewarded), all sorts of ceremonies, rituals and other sacred acts were developed, possibly more massive and with all sorts of special effects: monotonous exclamations, fumigation of incense and expectation of a miracle. The crowd, stunned from standing for many hours in the smoke under the hypnotic howls, could be shod with anything for a miracle. The sun came out from behind the clouds, and its ray fell through the window of the dome of the temple directly on - a miracle! And try to doubt - in the crowd!
Now let us define faith. Faith in the sense of the issue at hand. Faith is, I would say, not a very good word, because in our context faith means following a teaching. “Faith without works is dead”, “Demons also believe and tremble” - quotes from the Gospel clearly show that faith is not that “I believe that there is vodka in the store,” but that “I believe in the correctness of the path I have chosen and I am going on it. Faith is the following of each individual person in a chosen way indicated by a transcendental entity (god). A believer is one who follows the path indicated to him by the teacher whom he has chosen for himself.

Quote: Tatiana

In the absence of secular state ideology, a multiconfessional state ceases to automatically be a single whole and breaks up according to religious and ideological grounds.

My question is: for God, the Tsar (Orthodox, we emphasize) and the Fatherland - was this a secular slogan or not? And how did it happen that the Russian Empire did not break up on religious and ideological grounds?

Quote: Tatiana

It is this type of collapse of Russia that is laid down in the US CIA Harvard project for the further collapse of the USSR / Russia into small religious monarchies with their external control by the United States.

External management from outside - not the USA itself, of course, but the international financial elite Mafia - Russia already has it, why else should I fence the garden? Although, of course, controlled chaos ... As they say, Masha is Masha, but twice is twice

Quote: Tatiana

So you have a very superficial look at believers and religion.
I think that A. Nevzorov will explain this to you better than me.

Not just that, at the very beginning we gave definitions. Nevzorov speaks of people who succumb to herd instinct and religious propaganda. There are no words about people following the path in this video.
One more time: a believer is a person following the path spiritual or, if you like, personal growth, indicated by the Teacher, whom he chose for himself, whether it be Christ, Muhammad, or at least One. A person walking this way has a lot of advantages over a person who, indulging in everything that is in him from a monkey, imagines himself the king of nature according to Darwin.
Well, to summarize: wearing a scarf in itself, without understanding the purpose that is achieved by wearing it, is a concession to tradition, that is, the same herd instinct. “Allah commanded” is not an argument for a true believer.
PS: I myself am an atheist. For me, this means that I do not recognize the existence of the Jewish god Yahweh (Muslims, by the way, worship him as Allah), who supposedly created the whole Universe known to mankind, sitting ever since on a cloud and letting up hairpins to gape. In the same way, I do not recognize the existence of other forces of a supernatural (divine) nature, consciously acting in our Universe. However, there is a way that I follow. And I believe that this path leads to the right heights. And from this point of view, I am a believer. Believer atheist. So that!

[Talgat]

everything is really simple

Need to be realistic

In the USSR, no hijabs would be tolerated - and rightly so - we were all Komsomol members and pioneers. But it was from a position of strength. t to the USSR was strong

Now we are weak and need tactics. We must win the war that is being waged against us. And in war, all means are good. 100% Ramzan did not say this without coordination with GDP

If hijabs should be worn for some time in the Caucasus, if this serves some of Russia's goals

The main thing is to win

[himRa]

I put you a plus for reasonable statements
but I think at the moment the state through intermediaries supports Orthodox Christianity, which is categorically against and against any faiths in this regard ..

[I read the news]

Then He said to them: but now, he who has a bag, take it, also a bag; and who doesn’t sell your clothes and buy a sword; Luke 22: 36

Can I go to school with a sword?

Set the rules of the school wearing a kerchief for girls, enter the kerchief in the school uniform. Children and religion are very painful topics. Specifically, I don’t see anything bad in handkerchiefs, as in separate education, boys are separate from girls, for example, in neighboring classes.

[kit_bellew]

Quote: Tatiana

Well then, let’s hit old times and we’ll slurp cabbage soup!

And where is the old days?
It seems to me that the most respectable audience imagines Allah, and deities of other faiths, as some bites from a joke: “I want a herd of elephants to run from north to south!” "I want women to go in scarves!" In fact, certain rules regarding modesty in clothing were inherent until relatively recently in absolutely all cultures. These rules were justified, and now there are the interests of the family - the main unit of society created with the aim of giving birth and raising children in the right way, but not for what modern teens think about. In fairness, I note that at the age of 19-20 I myself thought that it was necessary to marry in order to legally drag a woman home and do anything with her. Unfortunately, an understanding of how wrong I was came to me much later.
Today, a healthy family has many enemies. This is poverty, housing, and the eternal misunderstanding between generations. And a separate line - the monstrously skewed patterns of behavior of men and women. I cheated on my wife with a secretary - a real man. Not changed - snotty impotent. Seduced by a rich married chef - oh, how lucky she is! She reduced her husband to the position of a room dog - so him! In a black body must be kept! And in general, all the men are cozls, all the women are whores. And why? Because they create a family without understanding why it is needed, driven by lust alone. But how could it be otherwise when women, starting from adolescence, spend so much money, time and effort in order to arouse this same lust? And men today ... um, yes.
I will not describe in detail the role of the media in the formation of these templates. Sapienti sat. I just want to note a small detail. Article 38, part 1 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states: the family is protected by the state. Question: which family? If the state protected a healthy family, probably 95% of the current content should have been removed from the TV screens, which would form the opinion among citizens that there is nothing more important than sex in life.
A culture that protects genuine family values ​​is uniquely more viable than a culture that destroys genuine family values. Look at Europe.
As for shawls in schools, it is not necessary to equate the wearing of a shawl with the imposition of alien values. How do you imagine that? What, some Vanya will think: yeah, Fatima wears a scarf, so I’ll now pray five times a day and blow up the subway? You it are you afraid
Vanya, brought up by parents-consumers, will go to blow up the subway without any Fatima. Just because I saw this in the next idiotic film shown on the big screen or on TV with the connivance of a state caring for a family according to the current constitution.
Perhaps the problem of headscarves would be solved by legislatively securing the separation of the school from the church, as was the case in the USSR constitution. But, since the 93-year constitution was written to us by enemies, it seems that it was deliberately written in such a way as to provoke all kinds of conflicts, including such. Again, the uniform of schoolchildren is left to the discretion of each school. What we want, then we turn it back. Secular education is not guaranteed by anyone or anything.
However, I repeat once again: wearing a scarf is not an imposition, not to mention propaganda, whatever it may be. A person wants to wear a scarf - his right, if this does not contradict the established pattern of clothing. And yet!

[AUL]

Indeed, we inflated the problem out of the blue! I think if some “wise guy” had not raised this question - no one would have thought of it. Well, who cares, a girl goes to school in a scarf or with her head uncovered? Is it really necessary to solve such a problem legislatively? Let's hook on to harem pants in which Muslim women go, or to the style of their underwear! Let's conduct raids in markets where most of the merchants from the Caucasus, in scarves and harem pants! Understand, no matter what fashion a person is dressed in, it is important what he does!

[Alena Frolovna]

"LESSONS OF ATHEISM"

Many people are accustomed to materialistic thinking and rely on the study of science. They say: "Science has proved that there is no God".
I met with a priest, and he said:
- When perestroika began, I somehow left the temple. One woman comes up to me and says: "We would like to invite you to a party meeting. More than a thousand people will gather. Military men, doctors, teachers." I agreed, came. Yes, a really full room. They put me on the podium. I look, a man with a briefcase sits at the end of the table and looks askance at me. The performances began. It was the turn of this man. He spoke for a long time, and in the end said: "Science has fully proved that there is no God. But there are still believers among us, even priests." He finished.
I get up and ask: "Dear brothers and sisters! If any of you say what science has proved that there is no God, I immediately remove the cross, cassock and enroll in the party. I will be a zealous communist!" The hall is silent! Again I start to ask: "Dear ones, tell me, can some earthly science provide evidence that there is no God?"The hall is silent and suddenly ... explodes with applause.
And the atheist, like smoke, disappeared along with the briefcase.
And a few days later, in a confession, one woman said: “I have a colonel’s husband. When I go to the temple, he always scolds me. And the other day he told me how at a party meeting the priest had put an atheist into the galosh; no one could tell him what science has proven that there is no God. " Such a life example!
There is no science that proves that there is no God. We have been told atheistic tales for many years! Atheism is not a science, as it was taught at institutes, - "scientific atheism." It’s just a sect of atheists. She attracted new members to her ranks, recruited ideological fighters with God! So we got to Satanism.
Atheists! If there is no God, with whom are you fighting?
Archimandrite Ambrose (Yurasov)

- And who saw God? How do you prove that He is? - asked the seminarist one of the arrogant visitors to the Trinity-Sergius Lavra, who believes in the non-existence of God.
- Have you seen your mind? - the seminarist answered a question with a question.
- Nah.
“Therefore, you have it ...?”
To the friendly laughter of his friends, the embarrassed atheist retreated.

Where did the atheists come from?
Air is like God. He is always there, and he is not visible. You will know how much you need it when it is missing.
The sun is like God. It can both heat and burn. One cannot look at his disk of fire without pain. All living things are drawn to him. All life drinks its power.
The sea is like God. When it is transparent and affectionate, it looks like the tenderness of the Big to the small. When it rages and foams, you cannot argue with it.
A man is like God. When he feeds his family and is ready to fight for her. And even when he is stingy with words and rarely smiles.
A woman is like God. When she breastfeeds and rises at night to cry. When it dissolves in children and breaks off the habit of thinking about itself.
So much of everything in the world is like God. Where did the atheists come from?
Archpriest Andrei Tkachev

Dear atheists!
Dear atheists who do not hesitate to tell us their thoughts about the Church!
Мы same do not indicate how exactly you should not believe in God, in what places it is necessary to do, in what quantity to collect for this, and what budget is appropriate to develop.
So why on earth are you telling usHow many temples do we need, where and how much do we need to gather, how do we need to believe, and how to worship, baptize and marry?
Are you worried that your taxes can go towards maintaining our temples? But after all our taxes today go to abortion, and much more, which Christians do not like.
It is sad. But this living conditions in one state, and they are the same for believers and non-believers.
Hegumen Siluan Tumanov

[kit_bellew]

Alena, here you give all sorts of quotes from the servants of God. Apparently, in defense of the version that God is. And can you yourself ... well, or not necessarily yourself, but at least with the help of quotations, give an exhaustive definition of God, excluding interpretation? Of course, the banal "I am the beginning and the end, alpha and omega" and other verbiage are not accepted, because they do not define anything.
What is god?

[himRa]

There are no arguments, and they cannot be, because any faith (for example, in the god jaiva) catches a person on the fear of death (completely ), on self-doubt and tomorrow, on fear .... a person has many of these fears .. due to the hormonal state at that moment
And the saddest thing is that believers love their father, physical ...

[Alf]

Quote: Alena Frolovna

So why on earth do you tell us how many temples we need,

And nobody tells you this. It’s just that the surrounding residents are conducting a survey on whether it is necessary to build a church in this place and decide on the results. But too often, the holy men, to put it mildly, sneeze and build wherever they want on the negative decisions of people.

Quote: Alena Frolovna

Are you worried that your taxes can go towards maintaining our temples? But after all, our taxes today go to abortion, and much more, which Christians do not like at all.

And our taxes go to hospitals and schools and kindergartens, in which atheists and believers are treated and trained and educated. So, separate them? And about taxes, so let the churchmen build their temples with their own money and the question will be removed. By the way, in Europe, churches are built that way, with church money and donations. Speaking of Isaac. They passed it to the church in a very interesting way. This is a fully ecclesiastical institution, but its content is shifted to the city. Here is the true face of our church — income to us, and expenses — to you.

[Sling cutter]

I will say briefly, I am against hijabs, paisks, baby-clothes, kakoshniks and teaching religion in schools.
Faith is an intimate sphere of life.
And imagine if in the middle of a lesson a student will release a prayer or a priest with a censer will enter the class and begin to receive communion.
Real obscurantism.

[Alf]

Quote: sergeybulkin

Kadyrov’s logic is not all right.

Hijab is just a shawl, which is why inflate from an elephant's fly! If you do not know - in the old days in Russia, all women always and everywhere wore a scarf, it was considered impossible to leave the house without a scarf. In the church and now must go in a scarf. This is with the advent of Soviet power and the imposition of militant atheism, all this is gone. We must be allowed to observe traditions, even if they go in burqa. Kadyrov’s rights to all 100. Fan up the conflict, out of nothing.

Then let Kadyrov take his daughters from a secular school and keep them and teach them at home.

[Glory1974]

Hijab is just a shawl, which is why inflate from an elephant's fly!

And I'm just a hunter, and I walk in a loincloth with a spear.

What problems? Will go.

[himRa]

this is not obscurantism! is it part of the culture isn’t it!?

[Stas157]

Quote: himRa

this is not obscurantism! is it part of the culture isn’t it!?

Of course it's true! You don’t go without panties either, but when you go into the shower you take them off, don't you? And this is also part of the culture (walking in underpants)! Here in the church they pray in a scarf, but where he is superfluous, for example, at school, they take him off!

[himRa]

Let's go without you! wise guy ... didn’t get it yet !!?
compare warm with soft if porridge in your head go

[Stas157]

Quote: himRa

Come on without you! wise guy ... didn’t get it yet !!?
compare warm with soft if porridge in your head go

This at first offends me, accuses the provocateur, and then it will forgive him for you to call! Well, well, I'll think about your request!)) If you behave yourself!)))

[himRa]

Yes, do not break, agree! i will be good!

[Weyland]

Quote: Stas157

but where he’s superfluous, for example at school, they take him off!

Why don't you take off your underpants at school?
Why cowards are removed in the shower is clear: they will interfere with washing the corresponding parts of the body. And why should you take off your headscarf at school? Who does he interfere with?

[tatarinalbert35]

totally agree with you!!!:)

[ALLxANDr]

With the logic of Kadyrov, everything is just fine. But your arguments ... are not substantiated.
If Chechens are forbidden to wear a headscarf, then Jews should be banned from hats, beards, and whiskers. Buddhists - their clothes and generally let them go to their own separate school. Etc. etc.

You are one step away from national strife. They are entitled to it.

[Tatyana]

Quote: ALLxANDr
then the Jews need to ban their hats, beards, whiskers. Buddhists - their clothes and generally let them go to their own separate school. Etc. etc.

And what is the problem when it comes to secondary school? That is why it is necessary to equally secularly equate all - the school uniform of a certain standard for all, established by the state! Everything, as per the Constitution of the Russian Federation!
So nefig arrange coups d'etat and flog a demagogic gag!

[himRa]

Quote: Tatiana

And what is the problem when it comes to secondary school?

Tatyana, excuse me, of course, let's not be naive? I have the opportunity to observe that there is already the fact of teaching in schools (in primary!) Classes of the foundations of the Christian faith,
there is also a regular post of priest in most army units
it is not possible to deny

“The church cannot exist in the ghetto, and the myth of the coalescence of the state and the church was invented by those who do not want to admit that every year there are more and more believers in Russia,” Patriarch Kirill quotes his words in a sermon during the service of the Divine Liturgy in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, agency

And the rest (Kadyrov, etc.) response actions ....
If we recognize Christianity in state institutions, then we must recognize Islam and other religions!

[Tatyana]

Quote: himRa
Tatyana ... let's not be naive?

Yes, I'm only in favor! Let's not be naive!

“The church cannot exist in the ghetto, and the myth of the coalescence of the state and the church was invented by those who do not want to admit that every year there are more and more believers in Russia,” Patriarch Kirill quotes his words in a sermon during the service of the Divine Liturgy in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, agency

You can't trust churchmen! For priests, the church is a very successful business project selling ideological, i.e. religious services since ancient times. Clericalization of Russia from the same Russian Orthodox Church is an excellent marketing move by the leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church. Other religious denominations will try to keep up with the Russian Orthodox Church.

And the rest (Kadyrov, etc.) response actions ....

Exactly!

If we recognize Christianity in state institutions, then we must recognize Islam and other religions!

Very logical!
But what do you offer? Follow this logic further? But I think that it is necessary to just turn around and remove the ROC priests from secondary schools along with their "sermons" to children. Otherwise, they - in ever greater quantities - will have to continue to be maintained by the state in the RF Armed Forces, and this is precisely with the taxpayers' money.
See my post above “Tatyana” from 10:25. There are excellent 2 videos given with Nevzorov. I will not repeat myself.
And to answer your post, I’ll add 2 more great videos.

Nevzorov. On the lessons of religious studies in elementary school Series "LESSONS OF ATHEISM". Posted Apr 19 2012 year
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Nevzorov. Orthodoxy at school: what to say to children. The LESSONS OF ATHEISM Series Published: September 17 2012 year
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[himRa]

But what do you offer? Follow this logic further? But I think that it is necessary to just turn around and remove the ROC priests from secondary schools along with their "sermons" to children. Otherwise, they - in ever greater quantities - will have to continue to be maintained by the state in the RF Armed Forces, and this is precisely with the taxpayers' money.

Categorically!
I agree...
If the Soviets did not have Christ, then there was no Allah!
I wrote from the capitals since from childhood I used to respect the opinion of the erring (fools)
I can tell you why your comment is displayed incorrectly
(the site’s site intentionally does not understand hyperlinks for the safety of customers, each time you need to link to the video as the first)

[Tatyana]

 Quote: himRa
If the Soviets did not have Christ, then there was no Allah!
I wrote from the capitals since from childhood I used to respect the opinion of the erring (fools)

Yes, where does the advice? We are now building a completely different social engineering model. Distinguish the principles of construction! Under the Soviets - socialism, and now in Russia capitalism.
Do you need a single and indivisible RF? Or do you want the further collapse of Russia? If not, then observe the social dialectical principle of the transition from the "single" to the "general" and "universal" through the "special" in social engineering of a single and strong state. There is a similar principle in formal logic, only irrespective of society - society.

I can tell you why your comment is displayed incorrectly

I always had these videos before, but I made a mistake before typing the post and did not re-post it. In general, it will be necessary to find out from the administrator of the site - is this censorship in favor of the ROC established on the site or not?

[himRa]

Quote: Tatiana

In general, it will be necessary to find out from the administrator of the site - is this censorship in favor of the ROC established on the site or not?

Your insecurity crosses out arguments!
Yes, I am for an indivisible, united Russia!
But I want the laws (religion is separate from the state) to work in practice and not in words then everyone will see it ...

[Glory1974]

But I want the laws (religion is separate from the state) to work in practice and not in words then everyone will see it.

But if potency works for you, do you need everyone to see in practice or in words?

[himRa]

Well, to you (a military pensioner), most likely in words, because in fact it’s rarely already, such happiness falls out, I say how the experth (specialization: gynecologist)

[Russiamoy]

Agree. For sooo believers there are madrassas and church parish schools that operate today. So there girls study in kerchiefs and hijabs. Moreover, they receive education at the level of modern comprehensive schools. What is the problem?

[AUL]

Tatyana, why are you so anxious to equalize everyone? People - they are all different, even schoolchildren. And the school is not a barracks where everything should be uniform. On the contrary, the school should develop each individual person, individuality, and not reduce everyone to a single average (very) level. And schoolchildren should get used to the fact that people are all different and take it easy.
And about the uniform of school uniforms ... Tatyana, if your friend comes to the party (or just to work) in the same dress as you have, you will quietly hate her, will you?

[Alf]

Quote from AUL

And the school is not a barracks where everything should be uniform. On the contrary, the school should develop each individual person, individuality, and not reduce everyone to a single average (very) level.

Then you need to cancel the lesson schedule and let everyone come when he needs to. And let everyone choose, I don’t need mathematics, but I go to Russian twice, and I'm interested in chemistry, and I’ll forget about physics. It is necessary to develop personality and individualism.

Quote from AUL

Tatyana, if your friend comes to the party (or just to work) in the same dress as yours, you will quietly hate her, will you?

Well, if tomorrow my changer comes in blue jeans too, then I will kill him.

[AUL]

Alf, if you bring any thought to the point of absurdity, it will be stupid. Do not engage in demagogy!
And as for the murder of the substitute - well, there are such men who are capable of such.

[ALLxANDr]

Quote: Tatiana

So nefig arrange coups d'etat and flog a demagogic gag!

Tatyana, you speak loudly, but stupidly. No need to ascribe to me what I did not write. In schools (most schools) the school uniform has not been introduced. So do not write a gag, and even attribute the Constitution of the Russian Federation here. The Constitution does not say anything about the form, but for that it says about freedom of religion.

[Alex Justice]

That's right, let them go to their own separate school, and in public school everyone should be equal.

[iConst]

Quote: Tatiana

Kadyrov is wrong!

Nothing is just flowers. Kadyrov is already getting bored and cramped in Ichkeria.

I think that if now we resolutely do not put an end to this issue, then it will be worse.
The simplest answer - let Kadyrov build for his money (and he is not a poor man) - how do they have there - a madrassa? And there they frolic in full.

[garnik]

Nothing is just flowers. Kadyrov is already getting bored and cramped in Ichkeria.
I think that if now we resolutely do not put an end to this issue, then it will be worse.
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You are 100% right. There is sounding, it is probed how much you can raise your head.
Everyone is wearing a uniform uniform for students, as it was in the USSR, the sooner this is introduced the better.

[Serge]

I will also say that in the first company he didn’t quite fight for Russia

[aleks_29296]

And where does the provocateur? Few examples or what?

[Stas157]

Quote: himRa

Are you a provocateur?
if so then you have nothing to go into the kitchen to take out your stench in society for this there is media
if not then take a bite accept validol and exhale

Why didn’t I understand you? Have I written the truth somewhere? Someone slandered? Or maybe you are a supporter of hijabs? Then put a bag on your head and calm down!))

[himRa]

stung ... it looks like you when the Czechs made a sucker scream ,, Chechnya is cool! ,,
right? go tell her to someone to cry!

[Stas157]

Quote: himRa

stung ... it looks like you when the Czechs made a sucker scream ,, Chechnya is cool! ,,
right? go tell her to someone to cry!

Are you talking about the well-known YouTube video? And it seems like it pleased you? And where did you get the idea that this frightened to death, Russian boy, sucker? Have you been in his place? I must admit, it was very unpleasant to look at these humiliations.

[himRa]

Quote: Stas157

It is a you about a well-known YouTube video? And it seems like it pleased you?

Already normal. We continue the discussion. No, it wasn’t pleased. I’ve been to such a place and people understand and respect the strength of mind despite physical perfection!
I have already spoken out on the remaining points in the discussion with Tatyana, I advise you to read ...

If we recognize Christianity in state institutions, then we must recognize Islam and other religions!

[Yegorchik]

The man told the truth and where does the provocation? Or maybe there were no insults to Fedor from the mountain deputies and everyone thought it was?

[himRa]

the provocation is in a special style of presenting information, it’s like a pessimist is different from an optimist watching a glass of water half full and both are right!

[Yegorchik]

Was there a simple statement of the fact that the mountain tobaccos yelled `` Atu Mowgli, glory to the sher Khan '' and the assumption that this will happen again, which does not suit you? And where do these worn glasses go?

[himRa]

And where do these worn glasses go?

even the same fact can be viewed from two points of view
Is it profitable to inflate, another question ... what was said and said.
Yegorchik I understand you from Kazakhstan? learn the Qur'an and wish many years to Nursultan otherwise if there is a Ukrainian script it will be more bloody!

[Yegorchik]

Quote: himRa

even the same fact can be viewed from two points of view!

Yes, one point of view of Stas157 is to disagree with the situation, and the other is to stick your head in the sand and assume that nothing is happening, and your ass sticking out above the sand does not belong to you.

[himRa]

Take off your cross or put on your underpants!
if it’s not clear then the laws should work for everyone!
They work with us selectively for Christians, and only Orthodox
if you would have looked at my profile and got acquainted with the statements you would know my position!

[shooter18]

We have a secular state and not theocratic point! Theocratic is igil and other obscurantism!

[Titsen]

A minister without education, of course, must be put to the nail, but not to Kadyrov ...

[populist]

Kadyrov lives in his own state and the laws of Russia are not a decree for him.

[Uncle lee]

So it rolled! Religious discord. I think Kadyrov will get permission to wear hijabs at a school in Chechnya!

[MPK105]

Generally everywhere, and not just there.

[INTER]

Quote from Uncle Lee

So it rolled! Religious discord. I think Kadyrov will get permission to wear hijabs at a school in Chechnya!

I don’t understand what difference it is, even schoolchildren, even citizens wear it, if a girl walks almost naked on the street, this is the norm, but if she is covered in a hijab, then that’s not it. Remember how the Slavs walked 100-150 years ago, if Russian women dress in their ethnic style, then they will get the same hijab.

[himRa]

Quote: populist

Kadyrov lives in his own state and the laws of Russia are not a decree for him.

This is what people themselves want! want to live by the standards that have stood the test of time, but you are not against religious figures (nominally) in the army that has a place to be? Studying the fundamentals of religion? For example, Christianity ... if not against, then you have a double standard!
We argue from the position of the Soviet Union, I am also against religion, but if this takes on a massive character, what can you do?

[jovanni]

Quote: himRa

We argue from the position of the Soviet Union, I am also against religion, but if this takes on a massive character, what can you do?

How to do what, learn the verses from the Qur'an ...

[himRa]

Teach no one forbids! It’s better than drinking or pounding from idleness

[jovanni]

Strange you put forth alternatives ...

[populist]

himRa
you are not against religious figures (nominally) in the army which takes place? Studying the basics of religion? For example, Christianity ... if not against, then you have a double standard

I am against ten times.

We argue from the position of the Soviet Union

I argue from the standpoint of common sense and science atheism.

but if it takes on a massive character what can you do?

Psychoses and mass insanity must be fought. This is the duty of sane people.

[himRa]

Although you mind me, I agree with you!
there is a concept of soft power, there is no possibility for more!
if you read my posts you will understand ... I characterize myself as a militant atheist,

[Dmitry Potapov]

In general, it is necessary to introduce a uniform form, the form of the times of the USSR is an excellent option, nothing more, and the minister seems right to me. God should be first of all in the head (in thoughts) since the secular school means and the attire should be secular, if you want to wear a hijab, for God's sake give the child in a madrasah, and if it comes to that in a hijab or not, then according to the laws of Islam, girls and boys should not learn together, I apologize in advance if I offended someone's religious feelings!

[Stas157]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

In general, you need to enter a single sample form

And now, what’s different? Have you been to school? All are equally dressed. Pants, a white or blue shirt, and a gray vest on top.

[Alexdark]

With hot is not necessary. Would you like to wear clothes almost a hundred years ago? It is necessary to introduce, it is necessary, but of course a new one.

[Nix1986]

I do not see anything reprehensible in wearing hijabs. A person wants to walk in a toga of a Buddhist. What's wrong with that? All his intimate parts are covered and his clothes do not stain others. The main thing is that this should be within the framework of the legal framework and not prejudice security, but with security and a problem, the person is closed, it is not possible to identify the criminal on the wanted list or to identify the person who committed the crime. Let the face be open and walk in your hijab.

[Stas157]

Quote: Nix1986

I do not see anything reprehensible in wearing hijabs.

I would not want to live among hijabs! Hijab, it's not just a masquerade or a fashion trend. This is a mandatory distinguishing attribute, as in sects. This is violence against women, although these women claim that this is not so. It is against even the very nature of a woman, to hide her face, to depersonalize herself! Obscurantism. I think it’s equally bad to go out naked or vice versa in a bag on your head! Therefore, in the 21st century, in a civilized country, such atavism should not be.

[INTER]

Quote: Stas157

I would not want to live among hijabs! Hijab, it's not just a masquerade or a fashion trend. This is required

according to the laws of Islam, the woman in the photo is also wearing a hijab, the concept of hijab is a cover for everything except the oval of the face and hands, and not a specific style

[Stas157]

Quote: INTER

according to the laws of Islam, the woman in the photo is also in the hijab

A Russian scarf on a woman’s head is a beautiful tradition, a fashion that does not limit a woman in any way, but only emphasizes the beauty of our women. No one holds his teeth for this tradition; there is no presence of religious fear in this, such as:

I wrote about this, hijab is not a fashion, not a whim! To wear or not to wear a hijab, no one asks a woman !!! This is not a Russian scarf. Try not to dress!

[Weyland]

Quote: Stas157

It is against even the very nature of a woman, to hide her face, to depersonalize herself!

Do not distort! It's about a shawl covering hair, but not the whole face!

[Moskovit]

Czech in his repertoire. Begin to pull already ministers. Soon everything will need to be sent to him for approval. In order not to offend, God forbid. Imagined himself in the voice of Muslims.

[Wiskar]

The Constitution of the Russian Federation “everyone is guaranteed freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, to choose, have and disseminate religious and other beliefs and act in accordance with them” (Chapter 2, Article 28). Apparently, not all officials read this article.

Reminded -

[Ruswolf]

The problem, I think, is that both opinions are correct ..... but each on its own.
There are those who call themselves Muslim or Christian, simply by nationality. But there are also deep believers.
I think that there should be a right of choice: Regular - general schools And schools where they strictly adhere to religious cultural values, including wearing hijabs and hours of prayers.

[NikolaiN]

So no need to solve the problem at the federal level. Give the right to a decision in the republic, let them decide on the spot how to be. You can decide at the regional or district level. It is possible to decide in each specific school, collected a general school parent-teacher meeting, voted, resolved the issue. It will be better this way. This is not a significant issue to solve at the highest level.

[Tatyana]

NikolaiN
This is not a significant issue to solve at the highest level.

You said stupidity - both very hostile and destructive for our country!

[NikolaiN]

Is it possible that in a remote Caucasian village girls come to school in a hijab, and in a Siberian village in scarves, the country will collapse?

[Tatyana]

 NikolaiN
Is it possible that in a remote Caucasian village girls come to school in a hijab, and in a Siberian village in scarves, the country will collapse?

Amazing Men are talking about the obligatory wearing of handkerchiefs for women and girls (even non-religiously), and how convenient these handkerchiefs are when OBLIGATORY CARRYING EVERYWHERE and EVERYWHERE them - men - this does not apply!
Introduce yourself, Nikolai, yourself ALL your life in a headscarf !!! Where for convenience in Russia in the middle zone for a woman is there such CONSTANT practical expediency? So where? You say ideological prejudice. Complete denseness - not even from the last century, but the year before last and further into the depths of centuries!
I personally see the expediency of constantly wearing a scarf for men, if only this scarf covers a bald spot for a man!
As one comedian said about the chances of a bald man getting to know a woman: "With a bald head on his head and a brooch on his neck," you will not go far! "

[NikolaiN]

Everything is clear ... I asked you about the destruction of the country, but you gave me a lecture on shawls. It’s not about handkerchiefs, let’s come in sneakers, the question was not about that.

[tatarinalbert35]

Quote: Tatiana

 NikolaiN
Is it possible that in a remote Caucasian village girls come to school in a hijab, and in a Siberian village in scarves, the country will collapse?

Amazing Men are talking about the obligatory wearing of handkerchiefs for women and girls (even non-religiously), and how convenient these handkerchiefs are when OBLIGATORY CARRYING EVERYWHERE and EVERYWHERE them - men - this does not apply!
Introduce yourself, Nikolai, yourself ALL your life in a headscarf !!! Where for convenience in Russia in the middle zone for a woman is there such CONSTANT practical expediency? So where? You say ideological prejudice. Complete denseness - not even from the last century, but the year before last and further into the depths of centuries!
I personally see the expediency of constantly wearing a scarf for men, if only this scarf covers a bald spot for a man!
As one comedian said about the chances of a bald man getting to know a woman: "With a bald head on his head and a brooch on his neck," you will not go far! "

[tatarinalbert35]

that is, you think that your ancestors were stupid Pithecanthropus that walked in shawls and grew beards !!! :))) I feel sorry for you Tatyana !!! maybe your descendants will think of you as a very, very dense person too !!!

[tatarinalbert35]

apparently it didn’t work with the links !! :(

[himRa]

They didn’t want to answer out of delicacy, but they allowed themselves the expression
But in fact, what about the creeping Christianization at the state level?
example: all government officials cannot afford what they allow for a salary
there’s an official, N, who, understanding that he can’t change the system, but a conscientious, believer doesn’t allow legal money to build churches, religious events, etc. ... and he is fine and the authorities have questions for him!
or
why should I witness a religious procession, when the streets are blocked, is there a traffic problem?
reference: Krasnoyarsk the city of a millionaire max. several thousand approximately 2-3 thousand participate in this event, and why should I witness this obscurantism !?
I guess you don’t answer or translate the arrows to femininity or ....

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: dvina71

Quote: Mar. Tira

It’s not for that that mosques and special forces schools are being built there to impose Russian value systems.

The imposition of religion and rituals. Were never Russian values.
In addition .. another hundred years have not passed, as in the European part of Russia customs ceased to operate by the obligatory wearing of a women's scarf (board).

So the Sharia values ​​will be imposed on us. If we give in. A holy place does not happen. Kadyrov already launched a trial balloon so that all of Russia would live according to some laws of the Caucasus.

[Wolka]

Russia is a secular state, and Mr. Kadyrov should not confuse "God's gift with eggs," and it is high time to learn how to separate soup separately, flies separately. Scientific achievements are one thing, scholars professing Islam are another. And the scientific merit of Islam is no more than the scientific merit of other religions. Scientists are first of all people, and only then people, with their own different religious views, so what does Islam, Christianity or other religious confessions have to do with it, in Russia the church is separated from the state, that's all ... and you shouldn't emphasize your own religious affiliation before other members of society. Tolerance, which human rights defenders love to talk about so much, has not been canceled; one has to be more tolerant. A general education school is a secular state institution, therefore, be so kind as to obey the requirements of the Constitution and the Charter of the school, which are the same for everyone ...

[kolkulon]

Muslim patrol is the next step? Somewhere I already saw it.

[Rabinowicz]

It has long been necessary to ban.

[Banishing liberoids]

Kadyrov, in every barrel a gag — the local Tsarek imagines himself to be the president of the country. Let the industry develop at home, and not live a single tribute from the Russian budget.

[Stas157]

Quote: Expelling Liberoids

Kadyrov, in every barrel a gag — the local Tsarek imagines himself to be the president of the country. Let the industry develop at home, and not live a single tribute from the Russian budget.

But, it turns out! And why should he behave differently if no one can say a word against him? There, Emelyanenko said today, so they persecuted a man and beaten his daughter! I think there will be less and less people wishing to speak out publicly against the orders in Chechnya!))

[MPK105]

It seems that he wants, he does what he wants, he says

[avg-mgn]

Kadyrov is right in one thing - the Constitution gives the right to freedom of religion. The attributes of the believer (the same hijab) and the rules for their use are determined by the faith and national traditions, and not by the individual, and if there is no ban at the level of decisions of the Supreme and Constitutional Courts, Mrs. Minister should not stick out and impose her own opinion. For example, the Orthodox Church is already sitting tightly in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and this is not discouraging anyone, believers of other faiths so far have most of this privilege in the Army.
There are no other ways than to step on the rights of believers, since people already believe. Otherwise, for a start, there is discord in the souls, and then discord in society and unpredictable consequences. From decisions to ban the paraphernalia of the believer to the paraphernalia of the political - one step, Leninopad in Ukraine is not a distant example.

[nik1321]

For some reason, it seems to me that Kadyrov will provide his children with the future that he sees fit and will bring up as he sees fit based on his views on life, despite the prohibitions on zhidzhabami. And I doubt that, for example, bailiffs from juvenile justice will dare for any about taking his children from him. For which I respect Islam - for the attitude to the family and to the woman ...

[Moskovit]

Of course. Women live there just super. Would you like your children to become Muslims?

[vladimirvn]

Do you want to fight for the rights of Muslim women? Did they ask you about this?

[Moskovit]

And they asked Kadyrov to intercede for them?

[nik1321]

And why are Muslims worse or better than representatives of other religions? You yourself will ask Muslim women if they want to change their religion.

[Moskovit]

How many terrorist attacks did the suicide monks commit? How many were beheaded? Or burned alive?

Just do not about the Middle Ages. Caliphates and sultanates also knocked out a lot of

[himRa]

Quote: Moskovit

How many terrorist attacks did the suicide monks commit? How many were beheaded? Or burned alive?

Just do not about the Middle Ages. Caliphates and sultanates also knocked out a lot of

Mutual question: How many terrorist attacks have Russian Muslims committed?
Not really more crimes than Orthodox (Christians) take the statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but in this case you will say that they are just Russian and not believers ...
By the way, monks also commit criminal offenses!
but you say that it’s criminal, but then what difference does it make if the consequences are murder?
I can firmly say that you are a victim of propaganda! whose goal is the fear of the spread of Islam and not only here but also in Europe
churches are empty!
The response is a creeping Christianization and an emphasis on the crimes of radical Islamists!

[Alexdark]

Someone interprets "freedom of religion" as a kind of equalization. Ie, the attributes are out! But I personally think that freedom of religion just gives this same freedom, even in attributes. Although the question is controversial, with a trick.

[Yarik]

If you want to study at a state secular school, be kind enough to fulfill the requirements of the laws of our state, and not your religious beliefs.

[Taygerus]

We have a secular state, not a Muslim one, well, and who wants their daughters to wear hijabs, please have schools of directed religious interpretation, no one bothers to go through them, I don’t have anything against believers, I’m also against lessons RIC, I believe that when a person is formed as a person, he himself must make his conscious choice.

[Vitalson]

I think since we have a secular state, then special religious schools should not be at all. Religious institutions should be limited to the walls of the church and theological seminaries. But it is practically a crime to hammer into unformed personalities certain religious postulates. I am also against conducting a religiously oriented subject in schools. And how this object will look like in a country where there are representatives of all religious movements up to such exotic ones as adherents of the god Kuzi. It would be better if they introduced OBZh and NVP.

[Neputin]

Wearing a common uniform for everyone in schools is not a "run over" to the norms of Islam, Buddhism or another religion. This is primarily an attempt to neutralize the negative consequences of social inequality of parents. So that the children of wealthy people cannot stand out from the mass of the less wealthy, so that less wealthy families do not suffer from inferiority complexes of their own children. This was understood even under the king. I have nothing against wearing hijabs (with an open face) in higher educational institutions - in our country they can easily wear whoever needs it. And primary and secondary schools need to be protected from this. If Kadyrov wants children to wear hijab in schools, let him create alternative schools for VERY DEEP BELIEVERS. But the school curriculum should be the same FOR ALL. If you want to study Islam additionally, please go to additional courses, to a mosque or somewhere else. Here the question is not religious, but social, and one should not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs.
It is annoying that this ex-bandit began to take on a lot of things. Dizzy with success?

[valerian]

let them dress pots

[Vitalson]

We must also introduce the martyr’s belt in schools. Not real, but Schaub the children got used to.

[Vitalson]

In Mordovia, very brave and adequate leaders are visible. But what does religion and science have to do with it? The fact that some scholars in these areas were Muslims, so from that, they could be born in Rome, become Catholics. Kadyrov something strongly juggles with religion. But what kind of friends and relatives he lost in the struggle, the whole country knows in the struggle (1994-200), well, or an adequate part of it.

[Brigadier]

Yeah ... Kadyrov soaked another pearl ...
If now Muslims are allowed to wear hijabs at schools along with secular clothes, then tomorrow the Jews will demand the right to wear black hats and frock coats, Hindus - saris, and off and on!
If now our power will run out under Kadyrov, then his next step will be the requirement to allow all Muslim students to pray directly in the classroom! But other religions will require a similar one! It seems that Kadyrov wants to religiously quietly slap, and then to break our education on a religious basis, starting with a small one!
The decision of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation is correct. Our education is secular and that means clothing should be secular and there is nothing here from high mountains to tell Russia what to do and what not to do!
Olga Vasilieva, hold on! Your cause is just and you will win!

[MCMLX]

And why is it all wound up about scarves?

This is how nations are pitted for trifling reasons. To be baptized with two fingers or three ... Filioque ... and so on and so forth ...

Islam is a way of life and, for example, in their wardrobe, they attach cult significance. If you want to change something in this regard, then go to hell. But Orthodox Christianity is a worldview and we are unclear or even ridiculous about such subtleties of rituals. Well, let’s not bother with others in this matter of fundamental importance to them, especially since for us it is not fundamental, or even they will get the right to climb into us.
But what is urgent - vital, is a separate education, boys and girls separately, separate confessions separately. Sectarian children are even more separate.

[Charond]

Hijab is a religious garment, they want to wear let them go live in Islamic countries, there it is possible. The Russian Federation is a secular country and there is nothing for us to impose our wild Islamic Sharia laws.

[tatarinalbert35]

hijab is not religious clothes! it's just clothes !!! and RUSSIA is OUR MOTHERLAND !! and WE deserve to live here, just like YOU !!! and there is nothing to say about the wild and Sharia laws !!!

[Charond]

Hijab - religious clothing. The laws of Sharia are wild. Russia is a secular country. Do you want to live in an Islamic state ?! Suitcase, Station, Saudi Arabia!

[Mavrikiy]

Kadyrov in his republic let him. They want it in Tatarstan, but in Moscow or in Ivanovka - not categorically.

[tatarinalbert35]

we do not have our own republics, there is a RUSSIAN FEDERATION !!!! and where we live is not up to you to decide dear !!!!

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: tatarinalbert35

we do not have our own republics, there is a RUSSIAN FEDERATION !!!! and where we live is not up to you to decide dear !!!!

Decide where you live, and how we will live, we have already decided, according to Russian laws.
We do not have our own republics; we have the RUSSIAN FEDERATION !. Here I agree.

[tatarinalbert35]

and so, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, I don’t want to live by such laws! I want the opinion of Muslims to be taken into account as well !!! and not just when your ....... is covering up !!!!

[Mavrikiy]

tatarinalbert35 Today, 19:48
and not just when your ....... cover up !!!! His cover, stinks.

[tatarinalbert35]

I did not rude you !!! nosy :))))

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: tatarinalbert35

I did not rude you !!! nosy :))))

Read your previous koment more carefully, beznosy.

[tatarinalbert35]

there are dots !!! if you thought wrong, these are your intimate problems !!!

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: tatarinalbert35

there are dots !!! if you thought wrong, these are your intimate problems !!!

I didn’t write anything at all. What do you mean, then cover. If you thought wrong, these are your intimate problems !!!
Ku-Ku!

[tatarinalbert35]

Mauritius you verbiage !!!! I do not want to talk with you, but a couple of bream would be a pity for you !!!

[Knizhnik]

The topic is tough and should be addressed comprehensively. As already mentioned, other faiths will present similar requirements. An exit, for example, is possible in religious schools (but according to the state program). What next? How about universities, state institutions? Imagine, for more than 10 years, a girl who went to school in a headdress will come to college, and then take her off? And to work?
In Azerbaijan, for example, such a problem does not stand yet, but as strict adherence to rules increases, perhaps something like this should be expected. It’s almost impossible to get into state institutions, as we say, with a “closed head”, or you have to take pictures when going to work (and there are some, but this is wrong). There were separate incidents in schools, but the state strictly monitors.
Hijab can not be worn at home. Perhaps if you give the school the character of a closed institution (like a second home), then you can come to some kind of compromise. This is a partial solution - leaving school, you will need to dress him again. It seems to me that the main problem here is the “isolation” from the peers. To avoid this, by the way, you can introduce a mandatory element of the form - a hat, for example, the rest can wear uniform hats. In those same institutions where there is no form, it will be difficult.
But all this is so, versions.
In short, it is necessary to decide now, once and for all, so as not to stumble upon the 6th consequence of Murphy’s Law.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Knizhnik

And to work?

- You yourself have already answered:

Quote: Knizhnik

It’s almost impossible to get into state institutions, as we say, with a “closed head” ...

- in the Russian Federation, IMHO, this will not be limited to state institutions ... but there are always no reasons to stop hiring, and there will be no hijab mentioned ...

Quote: Knizhnik

The topic is tough and should be addressed comprehensively ...

- IMHO to convey to the child / adult "child" (the sooner the better), that because of this scarf, she will then have problems in life ... yes with the same job, for example
- and all

[Knizhnik]

- You yourself have already answered:

I’m not campaigning for anything, since I’m still in thoughts.

- in the Russian Federation, IMHO, this will not be limited to state institutions ... but there are always no reasons to stop hiring, and there will be no hijab mentioned ...

We do too, although there are opposite examples.

- IMHO to convey to the child / adult "child" (the sooner the better), that because of this scarf, she will then have problems in life ... yes with the same job, for example

Horror. Until reaching a conscious age, the child's beliefs are replaced by the rules of his family. Who will “communicate to him” about future problems, and will the child listen to it when the parents “bend” the opposite? Raising an injured hypocrite?
We have had cases when, because of dissenting parents, they took children from "spoiled" schools. Who will grow out of those children who, from a young age, go against the state?
As you can see, everything is much more complicated.

[himRa]

You are right in one thing:

In short, it is necessary to decide now, once and for all, so as not to stumble upon the 6th consequence of Murphy’s Law.

Everything is already stolen before us! this is of course a comic answer BUT
The Soviet System has proved its worth!

[Knizhnik]

Secular education in Soviet times had a positive result. Including due to national atheist propaganda. Now with atheism, as it were softer to say, a different situation.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Yes, the topic is complex, somewhere it is necessary to draw a line between the norms of the state and religion, it is not easy especially after the breakdown of general, Soviet meanings.

[avdkrd]

Kadyrov stepped on a slippery path. Hijabs themselves will not harm anyone, but they will split according to religious principles. If Mr. Kadyrov is such an advocate of the Saudi version of Islam, then he must be reminded that Russia is a secular state and religious attributes of one denomination cannot be imposed on the whole society. The methods used by the preachers of the Gulf countries are quite "lit up" in Europe. First, under “spells” about traditions - hijabs, and then Sharia patrols in European cities begin to teach Europeans what to wear and how to live. By the way, in Chechnya itself, Kadyrov just implemented the principles of Sharia by imposing a ban on alcohol for society. Everything seems to be fine - it takes care of the health of the nation (exclusively Chechen), but Chechnya is in Russia !!!! Such an approach (a ban at the state level) is no better than the uncontrolled sale of drugs - the same extreme.
It is a pity that in the 90s one trickster, whose center is located in Yekaterinburg, allowed the frantic propaganda of Sunni preachers in Russia. As a result, we have what we have in Chechnya and in Tatarstan and in many other regions.

[tatarinalbert35]

do you think that there is something positive in the drinking family !!!! alcohol is an absolute evil in every sense and quantity !!! I would have banned it all over the country, but used it with rods, like in Mauritius in a shameful place and what he stinks !!!

[Almaty man]

And rightly so School is a secular school
And as for hijabs, I’ll say this: it’s insanity that has come down to us from ancient times ..

[Almaty man]

And for a long time it is time to introduce such subjects in schools as Historiology and Religious Studies
A true believer is not the one who spends his days in prayers and rituals, but the one who is LIVING according to the laws of God Allah the Almighty. Clothing, rituals, and other attributes with the TRUE RELIGION have nothing to do.

[tatarinalbert35]

those. if a girl lies in a swimsuit on the beach and drinks beer, but believes in God, is that normal ??? !!

[Retvizan 8]

Well guys, we live and always lived in a multinational and multiconfessional state, if this is so important for them, let's discuss this problem, let's find a solution, we will come to some kind of consensus! And then you gentlemen immediately begin to wave sabers!

[Johnny]

Why then introduce the study of religion in schools. I personally am very opposed. Where is the difference between wearing a cross and a hijab? Why Orthodoxy is presented as the main religion. It may be better for the state to distance itself from religion

[P36M2]

What does this Kadyrov carry in general, what are 30 million Muslims? Even according to the most biased estimates of Muslim resources, 22-26 million of them are recruited, although in fact, even taking into account the birth rate in the Caucasus and Kyrgyz citizens with Uzbeks and 300 thousand Crimean Tatars, a maximum of 20 million Muslims will be, of which only 1,5 Chechens million. Despite the fact that in proportion to the rest of the population they still did not grow, in 3 years only Crimea and the refugees from Donbass who accepted citizenship increased the number of Russians in the Russian Federation by 2-2,5 million people. Further, with all due respect, what is the general role of Islam in the development of world science? Does anyone name one famous Muslim physicist, linguist, chemist, genetics, geographer, agricultural engineer, biologist? What is at least some well-known law of physics, chemistry, genetics, economics, a chemical element, a mathematical theorem discovered by an Islamic scholar? Despite the fact that each of the literate people on Earth can name hundreds of famous scholars of Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, and atheists. I believe that it is necessary to be objective and point out examples of bias and the first persons of the state should be responsible for these issues at the state level. I myself have enough Muslim friends by occupation, people are different in views, in deeds and in their position in society (like all people in general), but I haven’t seen so twisting facts as Kadyrov does.

[himRa]

let's start:
chemistry: Muslim scientist Jabir ibn Hayyan was the first to divide liquids into groups according to their boiling point. Thanks to his experiences and discoveries, he is considered the founder of modern chemistry.
medicine: The form of all modern surgical instruments was created by the Andalusian scientist Al Zahravi. 200 of his instruments, including scalpels, bone saws and scissors for eye operations, are used in modern medicine. Zahrawi found that sutures applied to wounds using threads from the intestines of animals resolve over time on their own. He made the first capsule for a medicine from the same intestines. In the XNUMXth century, the Islamic scholar Ibn Nafis discovered the circulatory system.
Vaccines were first made in the Muslim world. Children in the Ottoman Empire were vaccinated against smallpox 50 years before the practice of vaccination in Europe.
astronomy: In the 500th century, i.e. 40 years before Galileo, many Islamic scholars have said that the earth revolves around the sun. According to their calculations, the distance from the Earth to the Sun is 253 km (in reality, 200 kilometers more).
a lot of mathematics and algebra, even the words themselves! not a hunt by name, but if you wish, you can do it yourself
what have hundreds of such scientists!
the argument is that the Muslim religion would not have gained popularity without bases: economic, scientific, philosophical, etc., for example, the Commonwealth of Great Britain, the American way of life ... The Russian world

I believe that it is necessary to be objective and point out examples of bias and the first persons should be responsible for these issues at the state level

Is he one of the first persons or is he not?

I myself have enough Muslim friends by occupation, people are different in views, in deeds and in their position in society (like all people in general), but I haven’t seen so twisting facts as Kadyrov does.

I doubt or you don’t communicate with them heart-to-heart ... or ... you are a victim of propaganda and no one argues with you, talk to Kadyrov himself you have such an opportunity ..
And your opuses that there are not so many Muslims and the rest can be taken apart!
there is a lie, there is a big lie and there are statistics, for example, in none of the statistics there is the fact that I am a militant atheist!

[Moskovit]

You better get started. In 2016, Muslim scholars .... otherwise you have examples from such centuries that you can only check by time machine.

[Rom14]

Why repealed the decree on uniform uniforms in schools? Now slurp your shortsightedness ... And what is happening in Russian schools is how the kids themselves post it on the Internet. For me, let the headscarf be worn than to sparkle with asses since childhood, and walk with a bare navel ....

[Prince of Pensions]

Why do girls under 15 years old hijab? What is hijab for school? Are they children?

[stas]

It's time to change Kadyrov, he is already carrying him to the mountains.
Otherwise, we will run into a new Chechen company again.

[Normal ok]

"In a neighboring area, the groom stole a party member" (Caucasian captive)

[ShM05]

You all who are against the hijab, first look at how your ancestors dressed 100 years ago, for centuries you wore the same hijab, it’s not our fault that you undress more and more with each generation, you will soon go naked, high school students dress like that, ,, ki.

[himRa]

Tatyana,
Your lack of confidence, perhaps even a joke in the filter in favor of the Russian Orthodox Church, just says that I'm right!

[Tatyana]

himRa
.......

This is for you, himRa, from an illogical series - "In the elderberry garden, and in Kiev the uncle." Logic - neither to the village, nor to the city! I even didn’t tactfully comment on this above! Well, if you insist, then ..
By the way, this is me now - by mistake - you accidentally + set! And you deserve for this post just "-".
Get Smart Smarter!

[Sivasa]

I hope everyone remembers Kadyrov’s public order to shoot for defeat at security forces from other regions?
Or here's a recent desire to “deal” with a female prosecutor from the Far East (in my opinion from Kamchatka). Or the sacramental "Allah gives." Or replicas of the microphone in the stadium. The limit of what is permissible for Kadyrov is very much shifted towards permissiveness. In fact, Chechnya is already outside the sovereignty of the Russian Federation. Oh yes, budget transfers and portraits of the herant in the offices, this is sacred.

[tatarinalbert35]

listen! if it is prescribed to us by the Lord that we should not go to school !!! it should not hurt you, but the knowledge given at school !!! then that young schoolgirls go to mini-schools do not hurt you and drink beer in the yards !!!? ??

[Tatyana]

tatarinalbert35
listen! if it is prescribed to us by the Lord, we should not go to school !!!

Believers in a secular state do not have to parasitize, but we must recognize and comply with the constitutional laws of the country in which you live, and not stick out our other personality in front of everyone like the navel of the Earth! You must be more modest! You are not the only believers in the country!
Create your own private schools and go to them! Then no one will say a word to you! You can get 2-3 grades of education there! And in a strange monastery there is nothing flattery with its own Charter!
Why don't you understand something? Everything is just like God's day! There is no need to destroy the country and arrange a civil war in it! Is there a head on your shoulders, or is your own mythical interest more expensive than the Fatherland ?!

[tatarinalbert35]

I myself don’t need a CIVILIAN! I love my MOTHERLAND! and you’re talking about someone else’s monastery, IT IS NECESSARY TO THINK ANYONE ALREADY HERE !!! you probably wouldn’t let Pushkin go further than 3 classes !!! ?? :) YOU Tatyana are most likely obsessed with demons, repent quickly! Otherwise you will die atheism !!!

[Tatyana]

tatarinalbert35
YOU Tatyana are most likely obsessed with demons, repent quickly! Otherwise you will die atheism !!!
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Why did you arrogate to yourself the right to believe that you are supposedly verbating the ultimate truth? Well, why ?! Have you seen God? held his hand?
Albert! How did you get into religious Islamic extremism ?! What do you impose your faith on me? We ourselves, the Russians, have their own Orthodox extremists like you, to the point of foolishness - they wall to wall meet each other! Find out from whom God is more correct.
And you don’t pretend to me that you didn’t understand anything! And Vanka, the station, to wallow!
Yes, a secular school has its own secular school charter (as in a monastery) and with your religious charter, it’s nefig in a secular school to restore its Muslim order, as in a strange monastery! And Orthodox priests at the same time - for universal equality and constitutional order - also need to be removed from the secular secondary school of the Russian Federation, and not taken to the state for maintenance in the form of teachers of religious studies.
A radical Islamist-igilovets has now spoken to you! You don’t even notice it!
So what? That you will take the right and initiative to free me supposedly from "obsession", in your opinion? Have your hands been combed ?! Violence has appeared ?! It is me, it turns out, to blame that you personally do not care about the current Constitution of the Russian Federation?
Which of us is “possessed by demons” - me or you ?! It’s a big sin hanging on you - it’s demonstrative pride tormenting you! And you do not care about the Fatherland, if only you would dreamily find yourself in a speculative paradise! And do not say that this is not so!
And it is you and I - ADULTS - so they quarreled! And what will happen to CHILDREN in the same secular class with a mixed composition of students - carriers of different religious faiths? Do you have a head on your shoulders? Do you have kids? Have you ever run a parent committee in a school? Fighting and complaints of parents never had to disassemble? Have your children with blood-broken noses and broken nasal septa, edematous bruises under the eyes and brain injuries never come home from school? They did not announce to you that your child will be deprived of parental rights for your child? Etc.
So what? Come with knives to the "infidels" ?!
In general, as a citizen-statesman in this sense you are worthless! You can’t calculate events two steps ahead! And this is very bad!

[tatarinalbert35]

as a citizen of the Russian Federation, I guarded the border for two years !!! I have a secondary technical and higher education! family, two children !!! I work in the Russian defense industry, I love my MOTHERLAND !!!! I live in the homeland of the atheist-LENIN !!! and I believe in the Lord (Allah)! I instill respect for all nations in the children, and accordingly I want to be respected as well !!! and I believe that someday you will also believe in God !!! I don’t understand what I attributed to the igil! !?

[Tatyana]

tatarinalbert35
Why do you ascribe me to the igil, I don’t understand?

[/ Quote]
For your fanatical Muslim religiosity! And the ability to dissolve her hands against the so-called "Infidels." Tell you a mullah: kill a Russian, a Christian, an atheist - and you, without hesitation, will go and kill them! And our common Fatherland, which you once defended before, will not be much! You cannot stand your mind against the mullah! It is very easy for him to manipulate you in his personal interests, because you uncritically, blindly believe in God and trust the mullah as an intermediary between you and God. And for him you are only a subject for enrichment. The church is a business corporation since ancient times.
[quote] And I believe that you will also ever believe in God!

Oh, dear man, this will never happen! I don’t know what higher education you have and where you received it, but I have a very good secular education. I made political forecasts for our country for political organizations and have never made a mistake in them. The thing is in objective - scientifically sound knowledge, in methods of thinking - and not in blind faith in God.
Albert! You still watch the films of Nevzorov from the series “Questions of Atheism”, to which I referred in my posts above. They relate to Orthodoxy, but the essence is still the same. It’s so good for me not to tell you how he tells. I have been closely involved in religious issues since 2015, and since childhood, Nevzorov has been associated with the Russian Orthodox Church and knows her well from the inside.
1. Nevzorov: on the origin of the law on the protection of the feelings of believers. Series "LESSONS OF ATHEISM". Posted: 13 Apr 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzDaylE32iw&l
ist=PLb8ATWo1XGcY7VAFPdq5EvJ5qtCY2ANAP&index=
3
2. What is a believer? Series "LESSONS OF ATHEISM". Published: 26 Nov 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTohLDgNvGY&l
ist=PLb8ATWo1XGcY7VAFPdq5EvJ5qtCY2ANAP&index=
8
3. Nevzorov. Orthodoxy at school: what to say to children. The LESSONS OF ATHEISM Series Published: 17 Sept. 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7iq7Y3HhrQ&i
ndex=9&list=PLb8ATWo1XGcY7VAFPdq5EvJ5qtCY2ANA
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4. Nevzorov. On the lessons of religious studies in elementary school Series "LESSONS OF ATHEISM". Posted: 19 Apr 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxbd-Jb5h0&i
ndex=18&list=PLb8ATWo1XGcY7VAFPdq5EvJ5qtCY2AN
AP

[tatarinalbert35]

I, too, used to be a “formally believer” like you before !!! but now I sincerely came to Islam and no one will dissuade me from it !!! The Holy Quran teaches first of all: to address him and not the mullah like you say !!! [media = https: //youtu.be/klnzTcl1iOw], h
ttps: //youtu.be/sGjCrB3Ep9s,https: //youtu.be/vLso
pJ9k5eI

[tatarinalbert35]

can you say now that this is all nonsense?

[Moskovit]

Repeat divergent stamp. At school, it is now forbidden to wear such clothes. And to sell alcohol to minors you need to have great courage. And a lot of money for a fine.

[Weyland]

The ban on hijabs is extremely provocative! And here's why: there is a substitution of concepts (obviously intentional), which Kadyrov, by the way, cleared right away:
"Scarf not paraphernalia, and an important part of the clothes of a Muslim woman, which is prescribed to be worn by Allah Almighty and the Prophet (pbuh). "
In other words, a scarf is not worn with the aim of emphasizing its confessional affiliation, but out of decency (and it’s a pity that we, the Orthodox, have forgotten about this - and only a hundred and a half years ago without a scarf defiantly only nihilist atheists went!)
Another thing is niqab or burqa: they must be forbidden unambiguously, permission to hide the face is unacceptable for reasons of public safety (despite the fact that the Koran does not say anywhere about the need to hide the face!)

[himRa]

I like your way of thinking! cleverly! add concealment in order to suppress the desire of an outsider
sorry you are a believer

[Weyland]

Quote: himRa

sorry you are a believer

Mutually - you are unbeliever!

[tatarinalbert35]

sorry that you are not a believer !!!

[himRa]

It’s not just that, but a firm conviction that has passed the test of time for more than 40 years. 54

[Weyland]

Quote: himRa

and a firm conviction that has passed the test of time for more than 40 years I'm 54

And before 14 were believers?
Now, thanks to Soviet education, I was an atheist until 20 - and then I just calculated the probability of the formation of the Universe as a result of the Big Bang (which, suddenly, contradicts the 2nd law of thermodynamics), and the probability of spontaneous protein synthesis ...

[himRa]

Until 14, I had no position, I accumulated information. I read books, I signed up for the library at probably 12 years old, went to the mosque with my grandfather, the reason for atheism was that the boys and I climbed into the mosque and saw how the mullah put the tape recorder and went about his business

Quote: Weyland

and then he simply considered the probability of the formation of the Universe as a result of the Big Bang (which, suddenly, contradicts the 2nd law of thermodynamics), and the probability of spontaneous protein synthesis ...

There is a lot of incomprehensible and / or contradictory in life, but this does not mean that it has a divine beginning, it says that it has not yet been understood by people, for example, until recently it was not clear how an airplane can fly — it’s heavier than air!
I’ll tell you a case: as a child, we (the grandfather) and I drove into the remote hinterland (approximately 1965) I had a flashlight that gave me ati (father) well, naturally when night fell I got it to brag to the Aul (villagers) and one elderly woman told me : be careful with fire do not set fire to hay! that is, they simply did not know what a flashlight was! It struck me then that I repeatedly remembered this case ...
Strongly doubted Darwin's theory, for example, he thought that the genetic code could not have developed by itself and that the mutants were unable to survive, but when he met in the experiments of Japanese scientists about the effect of magnetic fields on living organisms, he was struck by simplicity! briefly, the essence is that under the influence of weak magnetic fields the whole conclusion of the fry changed their color and behavior, and such a population is already capable of survival ... we don’t know much, but many facts put people rational in an awkward position, but this does not mean a divine plan, , and the fact that people tend to feel fear of tomorrow, the unknown is easily explained (drink 100 grams of vodka or inject the drug and the soldiers become invincible in the attack) and learned how to use this factor to pursue their goals at the state level (earlier) at the level of individuals that we are observing at the moment!
I'm not trying to convince you, but just justify my position

[garnik]

In no Muslim state there is such freedom and equality in relation to Christians as in Christian Russia to Muslims. I read the comments, I felt anxious about the soul. The more concessions, the more demands there will be. And the worse it will be. One of the bell rings.

[stas]

Quote: himRa

Yes, do not break, agree! i will be good!

You chewed up a blizzard, so diarrhea and bear a wise guy .ren.

[himRa]

I don’t remember evil, I just remember the memory of such a d.av.n. about how good you are!
still have questions? wishes?

Quote: stas

You ate too much purgen

[Evgeniy30]

Quote: sergeybulkin

Kadyrov’s logic is not all right.

Hijab is just a shawl, which is why inflate from an elephant's fly! If you do not know - in the old days in Russia, all women always and everywhere wore a scarf, it was considered impossible to leave the house without a scarf. In the church and now must go in a scarf. This is with the advent of Soviet power and the imposition of militant atheism, all this is gone. We must be allowed to observe traditions, even if they go in burqa. Kadyrov’s rights to all 100. Fan up the conflict, out of nothing.

Religion is an anachronism.

[Al. Peresvet]

I am against all kinds of hijabs. I am an Orthodox Christian, Russian. I wear a cross, for example. And I don’t stick it to everyone and I don’t wear it to show.
But wearing a hijab is already too much. Let them wear a month there or what. But don’t need these hijabs. It's already just for show. They pride themselves on their Muslimity.

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: ShM05

You all who are against the hijab, first look at how your ancestors dressed 100 years ago, for centuries you wore the same hijab, it’s not our fault that you undress more and more with each generation, you will soon go naked, high school students dress like that, ,, ki.

You don’t know the difference between prog * .. coy and the girl? So proshm * .. the taste-hijab will not save. So, in the hijab, she will do wrong things. And what is it that the girl is beautiful and shows beauty? She doesn’t sleep with everyone and doesn’t provide sex services. It’s just nice for the eye to look at the female beauty, the figure, the face, the long hair. Eye contact. It’s funny to even read.
Our ancestors did not wear the hijab. Do not la la.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Al. Peresvet

Our ancestors did not wear the hijab. Do not la la.

In all religions and Christianity, and Judaism and Islam, there is - the hijab just apparently you did not say that in the parish school.
Here is an article to expand your horizons.
The history of hijab in different religions, cultures and peoples
http://islamngy.blogspot.ru/2012/11/blog-post_16.
html

[Al. Peresvet]

Our ancestors wore skins, fur coats, coats in the winter. Girls walked with long hair and light brown braids. Without a hijab, without a scarf or with a scarf, if you wanted or needed, when working, for example. But no “hijab” was imposed. sometimes long hair — gathered in a comb — so as not to fall on the forehead. And they wouldn’t cover their heads if it wasn’t cold, dissolving their braids long blond, black, white to beautiful heels.

[himRa]

I doubt that you are a Christian, normal Christians will not be so categorically expressed!

And what is the girl beautiful and shows beauty? She doesn’t sleep with everyone and doesn’t provide sex services. It’s just nice for the eye to look at the female beauty, the figure, the face, long hair.

And even more so, look at a woman with lust! Look at our nature, it’s better the beauty of a woman is not included in these categories! What will you do, think when the beauty of your other half (wife) will go away with age?
And one more thing, I, too, a born Muslim, but when I grew up I realized that there is faith, religion! But became an atheist! And what do you propose to do if we live in the same country?
There is a creeping Christianization isn’t that so? At the state level!

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: tatarinalbert35

listen! if it is prescribed to us by the Lord that we should not go to school !!! it should not hurt you, but the knowledge given at school !!! then that young schoolgirls go to mini-schools do not hurt you and drink beer in the yards !!!? ??

And if it is prescribed by our God that our Orthodox Christian faith is the ONLY RIGHT ??? What then to do with you? Do you even think sometimes that you write?

[himRa]

You won’t do anything with me! according to the constitution, it’s not necessary; yes, I didn’t give change badly and now I have a son who will give change, serving the Russian army, by the way .... and I won’t stand
You think that's right, I think and understand there will be a problem! with you ... if you don’t stop the creeping Christianization or Islamization, it’s not important

[tatarinalbert35]

read the interpretation of the Qur'an, then you will understand !!! Surah Maryam !!!

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: Rom14

Why repealed the decree on uniform uniforms in schools? Now slurp your shortsightedness ... And what is happening in Russian schools is how the kids themselves post it on the Internet. For me, let the headscarf be worn than to sparkle with asses since childhood, and walk with a bare navel ....

And why is that uniform uniform ??? Over in the USA, they go without a uniform, and everything is fine. And they are bright, colorful and pretty and sexy. And the country is one, and people are all Americans. All the type is top. And we have some kind of division forever between us. You bullied you all to share, damn it!

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: himRa

let's start:
chemistry: Muslim scientist Jabir ibn Hayyan was the first to divide liquids into groups according to their boiling point. Thanks to his experiences and discoveries, he is considered the founder of modern chemistry.
medicine: The form of all modern surgical instruments was created by the Andalusian scientist Al Zahravi. 200 of his instruments, including scalpels, bone saws and scissors for eye operations, are used in modern medicine. Zahrawi found that sutures applied to wounds using threads from the intestines of animals resolve over time on their own. He made the first capsule for a medicine from the same intestines. In the XNUMXth century, the Islamic scholar Ibn Nafis discovered the circulatory system.
Vaccines were first made in the Muslim world. Children in the Ottoman Empire were vaccinated against smallpox 50 years before the practice of vaccination in Europe.
astronomy: In the 500th century, i.e. 40 years before Galileo, many Islamic scholars have said that the earth revolves around the sun. According to their calculations, the distance from the Earth to the Sun is 253 km (in reality, 200 kilometers more).
a lot of mathematics and algebra, even the words themselves! not a hunt by name, but if you wish, you can do it yourself
what have hundreds of such scientists!
the argument is that the Muslim religion would not have gained popularity without bases: economic, scientific, philosophical, etc., for example, the Commonwealth of Great Britain, the American way of life ... The Russian world

I believe that it is necessary to be objective and point out examples of bias and the first persons should be responsible for these issues at the state level

Is he one of the first persons or is he not?

I myself have enough Muslim friends by occupation, people are different in views, in deeds and in their position in society (like all people in general), but I haven’t seen so twisting facts as Kadyrov does.

I doubt or you don’t communicate with them heart-to-heart ... or ... you are a victim of propaganda and no one argues with you, talk to Kadyrov himself you have such an opportunity ..
And your opuses that there are not so many Muslims and the rest can be taken apart!
there is a lie, there is a big lie and there are statistics, for example, in none of the statistics there is the fact that I am a militant atheist!

[himRa]

but in your own words? Not convinced by the argument that there is a creeping Christianization not debunked

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: Johnny

Why then introduce the study of religion in schools. I personally am very opposed. Where is the difference between wearing a cross and a hijab? Why Orthodoxy is presented as the main religion. It may be better for the state to distance itself from religion

Because Russia was born, stands and will stand, on the Russian Orthodox. This is the city-forming Orthodox Slavic people.

[himRa]

And what does Russia have to do with it? And who told you that the city-forming, where will these ... h.ohly be in a couple of decades? Also Russian by the way ... here you don’t even have to be a predictor

[Al. Peresvet]

Guys. If you don’t understand the rejection of these hijabs in Russia, I’ll explain to you. You wear a hijab. Do you understand? This is not a cross, for example, the right-winged one, as we Orthodox are wearing it. Your hijab is seen from a distance, a kilometer away. And this is unpleasant. Your muslim is immediately visible. This is a hidden obsessive imposition of your Islam. This, how to explain it. for example, I’ll put on a cassock all of the crosses so that it can be seen from far away. And I’ll hang a hefty cross on my chest. And on my back and chest I’ll draw. Well, somehow this hijab is perceived like that. AND FROM DARK. That is, you stubbornly want to separate from everyone else? Well guys, well, fullness, it’s enough to separate already. Wear your months or whatever it’s and don’t swear. Like us Orthodox Christians weave crosses. Pray to our Allah and let us not quarrel. And love and care about each other.
And yet, a burqa or a hijab. Something that covers the face, categorically-AGAINST! A civilian civilian, not a bandit, not a murderer, not a thief, nothing to hide his face.

[himRa]

Yes, tear away how fit no one is against it! I am against the same but with a different sign!
The solution is one, all denominations must be in the same conditions!

[Weyland]

Quote: Al. Peresvet

it is a burqa or hijab. that person closes-categorically-AGAINST!

read my post. The burqa, burqa, niqab should definitely be prohibited - but the hijab is not covering his face, and it’s not particularly striking (the only difference from the Russian scarf is that the neck is also closed)!

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: himRa

I doubt that you are a Christian, normal Christians will not be so categorically expressed!

And what is the girl beautiful and shows beauty? She doesn’t sleep with everyone and doesn’t provide sex services. It’s just nice for the eye to look at the female beauty, the figure, the face, long hair.

And even more so, look at a woman with lust! Look at our nature, it’s better the beauty of a woman is not included in these categories! What will you do, think when the beauty of your other half (wife) will go away with age?
And one more thing, I, too, a born Muslim, but when I grew up I realized that there is faith, religion! But became an atheist! And what do you propose to do if we live in the same country?
There is a creeping Christianization isn’t that so? At the state level!

They always look at a beautiful woman with lust. Smart men, just like women, understand that beauty and youth are not eternal. How will I look at my wife when her beauty and youth go away?? As for my beloved, dear, my dear. Who became the mother of my children, who was and is with me, who supports me in difficult times, and not only when it’s good, who is my support. As for myself only in a woman’s guise. For she is always with me, following me with her husband. She has not abandoned me and has not abandoned me throughout my entire life. She is faithful and devoted to me. This is my person, this is me.

[Al. Peresvet]

There is a creeping Christianization isn’t that so? At the state level!

No. Russia is originally Orthodox Christian. The majority of the population, 82% of the people, are Orthodox Christians. And they betray their faith to their children.

And one more thing, I, too, a born Muslim, but when I grew up I realized that there is faith, religion! But became an atheist! And what do you propose to do if we live in the same country?

What to do? It is good to LIVE and live together in OUR country, Russia. For Orthodox Christians, Muslims, atheists. For all of us, it is good and friendly to live. To love one another, not to offend, to intercede one by one, to help.
Russia is Orthodox - because the majority of the population are Orthodox Christians - 82%.
We are all Russian, because we are all connected by the Russian language. We all understand it perfectly, speak it perfectly and communicate well with its help. That’s why Russia is Orthodox, and we are all Russian. And we also have the people of Russia - all others. Not Orthodox, other peoples of Russia. But the majority are Orthodox Christians, Russians, because of the Russian language that binds us.
I don’t offend anyone, I don’t insult anyone, I’m just stating facts.

[himRa]

a mistake though!

Russia is Orthodox - because the majority of the population are Orthodox Christians - 82%.

More precisely, about 70 percent of Russians are not all Orthodox, and especially not all Christians
There is a nuance, so let me explain:
Why the hell should I witness, for example, a religious procession in Krasnoyarsk if there is not even one percent in it! 1000000 = 10000 and there are not a lot of them there, but they block all the streets and other goodies for Christians! Why should I witness this Sabbath!?

[himRa]

On the its They can punch a beautiful woman in the face for something that isn’t hers without waiting for God’s punishment
don’t move the needle, dear, don’t consider others stupider

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: himRa

Yes, tear away how fit no one is against it! I am against the same but with a different sign!
The solution is one, all denominations must be in the same conditions!

Well, what am I talking about? Why do they need these hijabs and burqas? In the same conditions. And not the only ones, from a kilometer away, imposing their Islamism with the help of a burqa. No one is against it, let them wear theirs for months or whatever, whatever is not striking and does not put pressure on the psyche.

[himRa]

answered in previous post

[Al. Peresvet]

Oh yes. And then the Orthodox need to screw a cross on their head and bow every five minutes. Well, what? if they can wear a burqa. Why can’t we? And everyone will point at, I have a burqa, I’m Islamic. And I have a cross, I’m Orthodox. And so on.
You know the proverb: teach a fool to pray and his forehead will crack.

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: himRa

On the its They can punch a beautiful woman in the face for something that isn’t hers without waiting for God’s punishment
don’t move the needle, dear, don’t consider others stupider

For what? They will put you in prison or you will get change in your face. For the fact that they are watching, to hit you in the face is the highest stupidity. You are truly a fool.
I might as well punch someone in the face who tries to tell me, listen, put your woman on a chain at home and don’t let her go anywhere.
They look at my woman. They envy me that she chose me and not them. At least let their eyes fall out. The main thing is that my woman loves me and sleeps with me. And let them drool and let their eyes pop out of their sockets They’ll fall out. And they’ll come up to my woman, and my woman will blow them off and kiss me in front of them and call me husband and beloved. If there’s something they don’t understand and they don’t understand, I’ll explain it to them. According to an individual program , if they mess with my woman, it’s everywhere. And the burqa and hijab don’t save you from it. Just like women from cheating on their husbands. Whoever wants to cheat, the one in the burqa and the burqa and the hijab will cheat.

[Al. Peresvet]

And if they come up to my woman, my woman herself will tell them: “Men, I have my husband or my man. Don’t pester me.” I think all men will understand. And in front of them, she will kiss me and call me husband and beloved. And if she is alone, she will say the same thing: “Men, I have my husband or my man. Don’t pester me.” If there’s something they don’t understand and they don’t understand, I’ll explain it to them. Or the police. According to an individual program, if they mess with my woman, it’s everywhere. And neither a burqa nor a hijab will save you from such people. Just like cheaters .Who wants to cheat, she will cheat in a burqa and a hijab.

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: himRa

You won’t do anything with me! according to the constitution, it’s not necessary; yes, I didn’t give change badly and now I have a son who will give change, serving the Russian army, by the way .... and I won’t stand
You think that's right, I think and understand there will be a problem! with you ... if you don’t stop the creeping Christianization or Islamization, it’s not important

Yes? Well, you won’t do anything to me either. According to the constitution, it’s not allowed. I’m also not bad at giving back. And I won’t stand either. And I have sons and brothers.
Listen, instead of living normally with everyone, you conflict and go into conflict and aggravate the situation. A saboteur is not a tea?
No one is going to do anything with you. He’s already screwed up. You don’t just need to show off one religion. You put on a burqa or whatever, you can see it a kilometer away. It’s not pleasant. Like, look, I’m in a burqa, I’m Islamic. Well, Should I attach a meter-long cross to my head and say every five minutes, “I’m an Orthodox Christian???” In the name of father and son and so on. Don’t talk nonsense.

[himRa]

to say, I am an Orthodox Christian??? In the name of father and son and so on. Don’t talk nonsense

If I'm talking nonsense, then why are you answering? And why on You I’m not friends with you and didn’t drink vodka...
Even if you are a Jew, I don’t care! But on equal terms with Muslims, since we are a secular society according to the constitution! I won’t become a Jew because of this, and you won’t become a Muslim just because someone wears a headscarf.
Whether these emotions are not pleasant or not, this is where conflicts arise! Clear? I think I tried to write it so that there was no double interpretation, but you have your own cockroaches in your head!
Let me explain, did you agree that all faiths should be on equal terms? agreed...
I explained it clearly inequality creeping Christianization... explained and you did not dispute it...
for a woman...they will hit her in the face just for lust and God, according to your faith, forbids this!
WHAT ELSE ? when the arguments end or they admit their mistake or get into a fight, if they remain silent, it’s the same as admitting a mistake... I explained about the fight, but you apparently didn’t understand! There are many such people (views) even on this forum - think about it if you statesman
no one bullied you - these are your cockroaches! You are misinterpreting my words!

[Mavrikiy]

Let's start from the stove.
Kadyrov commented on the statement of the Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation on his Instagram:
The Constitution of the Russian Federation “everyone is guaranteed freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, to choose, have and disseminate religious and other beliefs and act in accordance with them” (Chapter 2, Article 28). Apparently, not all officials read this article.
What a cocky, smug statement. Everyone has read and everyone knows. Where are hijabs in this article? Freedom of conscience - no. Freedom of religion - no. Having and disseminating religious and other beliefs - no. Act according to them - this?
SO ACT ACCORDING TO YOUR RELIGION. Don't sin, don't steal, don't kill and......
1. History of the issue. In Europe, Muslims have lived for 1000 years, in Spain there are Moroccans, in France there are Algerians, in Greece there are Turks... And in the countries the state religions were very different. And for 1000 years there was no problem with the henjab. And everyone went to school. In the Republic of Ingushetia there were schools at monasteries, and yes, they wore headscarves. I don’t know how it was with the Muslims, but probably at the madrasah they also observed external attributes. In the USSR even now you think that the external side is important, but there are no conditions - study at home or in closed institutions.
2. When did the question arise? 5 -10 years ago, in tolerant Western Europe. (And there is no need to blame the USSR for putting pressure on everyone and there was no freedom) The issue of hedging exists in Europe, but we don’t. Disorder. Pure MONKEY. 5 years ago we didn’t have a problem and suddenly it became so important, so important, “I can’t even eat,” they can’t truly believe in Allah without a hijab.
3. And the question is of course formal, but.... (here they wrote about freedom, about rights, about faith, etc.) We need to remember about the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Evgeniy30]

Actually, nowhere and never have I seen Chechen women in a burqa or hijab. Is this even part of Chechen culture? They also seemed to wear headscarves all the time, no? Why impose medieval obscurantism?

[Weyland]

Quote: Eugene30

They also seemed to wear headscarves all the time, no?

This scarf is the hijab!
What covers the face is a niqab and a burqa!

[Al. Peresvet]

Quote: himRa

to say, I am an Orthodox Christian??? In the name of father and son and so on. Don’t talk nonsense

If I'm talking nonsense, then why are you answering?

And why on You I’m not friends with you and didn’t drink vodka...
Even if you are a Jew, I don’t care! But on equal terms with Muslims, since we are a secular society according to the constitution! I won’t become a Jew because of this, and you won’t become a Muslim just because someone wears a headscarf.
Whether these emotions are not pleasant or not, this is where conflicts arise! Clear? I think I tried to write it so that there was no double interpretation, but you have your own cockroaches in your head!
Let me explain, did you agree that all faiths should be on equal terms? agreed...
I explained it clearly inequality creeping Christianization... explained and you did not dispute it...
for a woman...they will hit her in the face just for lust and God, according to your faith, forbids this!
WHAT ELSE ? when the arguments end or they admit their mistake or get into a fight, if they remain silent, it’s the same as admitting a mistake... I explained about the fight, but you apparently didn’t understand! There are many such people (views) even on this forum - think about it if you statesman
no one bullied you - these are your cockroaches! You are misinterpreting my words!

If I'm talking nonsense, then why are you answering?

In order for you to understand that you are talking nonsense and stop saying nonsense.

And why on You I’m not friends with you and didn’t drink vodka...

I speak to you on a first-name basis, as if you were an equal. Or are you proud and consider yourself superior to me? Proud, huh? I don’t drink vodka. I don’t drink at all. Very, very rarely. A bottle, two a year.

but on an equal basis with Muslims since we are a secular society according to the constitution!

On equal terms, yes. And not some exceptions and concessions for Islam. And Kadyrov talks about the hijab.

You will not become a Muslim just because someone wears a headscarf.

If you are mistaken, they will. This is precisely the propaganda of Islam, and it is strong and powerful from afar, a kilometer away.
And this also leads to conflict. Everyone wants to be believed in their faith. And other believers, or non-believers, do not like that this hijab completely covers their faith or, with its appearance, overshadows everyone else. People have a natural desire, others, non-Muslims, to demonstrate -your own, different, faith, different from Islam. This is where the desire comes from - to put on and make visible your paraphernalia. The Orthodox have theirs, others have theirs.
This leads to confrontation in society. Because when everyone puts on their attributes, everyone will still want to believe in their faith. Muslims will prove that their faith is correct. Orthodox Christians will prove that theirs. Children in schools will argue, they can fight.
Everything will come down to such a level that everyone will prove and poke each other in the nose with their paraphernalia and shout:
-No! It is Allah who is the most correct - he is the only faith. - And point with your hijab.
Another will prove him the opposite:
- no. Jesus Christ is the only God, our faith is correct, and put a cross on it with a hijab.
Third - yes, you are all wrong - there is no Jesus or Allah - we all came from monkeys. Aliens created us from an explosion, from evolution.
This all leads to conflict.

Whether these emotions are not pleasant or not, this is where conflicts arise!

See the lines above. It’s unpleasant precisely because they very strongly and visibly overlap the attributes of other people’s faith, thus distorting and lowering the faith of other people. That is, behind their hijabs, no one’s faith and other people are visible. And this is for no one I don’t like it. It gives the visual impression that everyone is Muslim.

Let me explain, did you agree that all faiths should be on equal terms? agreed...

Yes. As equals. And not so that someone’s attributes predominate. Yes, it’s clear.

I clearly explained the inequality [/b] creeping Christianization... I explained it and you did not dispute it...

No. You didn’t explain the creeping Christianization. No, you didn’t explain it and didn’t prove it. How does it manifest itself, facts?
Or do you think that if the majority of the country is Orthodox Christians - 82% Russian Orthodox Christians are Slavs, the city-forming people of Russia, then do you consider this Christianization? This is how it should be - whichever population is larger, if you think logically - there will be more of that faith. If there are more Orthodox Russian Slavs, they believe in Jesus Christ, and there are more of them, just like that, that’s how it is - why say the opposite. You You can’t hide people anywhere. You can’t hide it. It’s just what it is. And they have children, and their children have children. Naturally, they will be Orthodox Christians, like their parents. Naturally, they will accept the faith of their parents -Orthodox Christianity.
Dear, what kind of Christianization are you talking about here?

for a woman...they will hit her in the face just for lust and God, according to your faith, forbids this!

I haven’t read or heard anything more stupid. God and Allah forbid hitting people. Especially for no reason at all. So what if someone likes her and looks at her?? They like her because God, Allah created her like this. And why do they look at her with lust? ANY BEAUTIFUL WOMAN is looked at with lust. So what? The main thing is that this woman WILL NOT BE ASSAULTED WITHOUT HER CONSENT. A woman, a very beautiful woman, can very politely and without insulting men, very clearly and accessiblely, explain to men that
- “I don’t like you, I don’t want to have anything to do with you. Sorry.” Or:
- “You are a good person. The man is also good, in your behavior and character. But you are not my type. In appearance, I don’t like you. I don’t want to have anything to do with you.” Elijah:
- “You are a very good, handsome man. But I have my husband/man. I don’t need you. Sorry.”
After such words and such behavior, women, guys, men understand everything. They understand that they will not achieve this woman. She will not give it to them. And they will still like her. And they will respect her for her worthy behavior. But and they won’t cling to her. They will say hello, help if she asks herself. But they will know that she is not theirs. That’s all.
And if in front of a woman it’s not a man, but some kind of monkey, neither the hijab nor the burqa will save the woman. The monkey is a monkey. Until the woman herself cracks down on such a monkey, or tells her husband or the police.
You are allowed to beat your face for your woman, when your woman’s life and health are threatened. And not when others like her and they don’t do anything bad to her. And to you.

[Al. Peresvet]

for a woman... they will beat you in the face just for lust, and according to your faith, God forbids this!

Read more.
I haven’t read or heard anything more stupid. God and Allah forbid hitting people. Especially for no reason at all. So what if someone likes her and looks at her?? They like her because God, Allah created her like this. And why do they look at her with lust? ANY BEAUTIFUL WOMAN is looked at with lust. So what? The main thing is that this woman is YOURS AND FAITHFUL TO YOU, SLEEPS WITH YOU, LOVES YOU, BEARS YOUR CHILDREN AND BELONGES ONLY TO YOU, AS YOUR LEGAL, FAITHFUL WIFE OR JUST AS YOUR WOMAN WHO CHOSE YOU; what about this A woman is NOT MESSED WITHOUT HER CONSENT. A woman, a very beautiful woman, can very politely and without insulting men, very clearly and accessiblely, explain to men that
- “I don’t like you, I don’t want to have anything to do with you. Sorry.” Or:
- “You are a good person. The man is also good, in your behavior and character. But you are not my type. In appearance, I don’t like you. I don’t want to have anything to do with you.” Or:
- “You are a very good, handsome man. But I have my husband/man. I don’t need you. Sorry.”
After such words and such behavior, women, guys, men understand everything. They understand that they will not achieve this woman. She will not give it to them. And they will still like her. And they will respect her for her worthy behavior. But and they won’t cling to her. They will say hello, help if she asks herself. But they will know that she is not theirs. That’s all.
And if your woman doesn’t know how to communicate with men like that, explain everything to them in an accessible way, so that they understand, you, as a man, must teach her this. To calmly and without conflicts, calmly, peace and kindness - she understands everything and understands it in an accessible way explained everything to the men. So that the boys, the men, understood her.
And if in front of a woman it’s not a man, but some kind of monkey, neither the hijab nor the burqa will save the woman. The monkey is a monkey. Until the woman herself cracks down on such a monkey, or tells her husband or the police.
You are allowed to beat your face for your woman, when your woman’s life and health are threatened. And not when others like her and they don’t do anything bad to her. And they don’t do anything bad to you either.
I’ll explain. You walk with your woman down the street. And you see, everyone likes her. Everyone. All men want her, look at her with lust. But they don’t insult her, don’t pester her. They don’t insult you. They- pass by you and greet her, you. Without hiding their admiration for her. Without hiding their longing glances. But they don’t offend her, don’t insult her, don’t pester her. They don’t insult or humiliate you in front of her. But on the contrary, according to them lustful glances towards her - you can feel their respect for you. Because this woman has chosen you. Of all of them, she has chosen you. And she is faithful and devoted to you. This is even respect and honor for you, in a sense.
And even if one of the men dares to insult you in front of your woman, a good, thoughtful, intelligent woman will stand up for you.
He will say to this man:
-Hey, what are you doing? How dare you insult my man/husband? Do you not respect me as a woman?? Don't respect my female choice??? Why are you-insulting me-by insulting my husband/man???
And she will kiss him in front of you, so that you can see and understand that she LOVES HIM, and not you, that she DOESN’T NEED you, and will say pleasant words to him, and stroke him, so that you can see everything. And together they hold hands pens will go further.
A normal guy, a man, a horseman, a Muslim, an Orthodox Russian Slav, a hero, a Cossack - all adequate and normal men will understand this.
And if in front of a woman it’s not a man, but a monkey, then no hijabs or burqas will save the woman. Until the woman tells her husband/man to protect her, punch this monkey’s face, or goes to the police, or gets cracked herself good for that monkey.
Now do you feel the difference - when you can hit the face, or will you jump to everyone like a monkey because they look at your woman with lust? So you won’t be able to crawl home like that, dear one. The woman herself will leave you like an inadequate monkey. If you don’t understand, go out into the fresh air. Take a deep breath of fresh air so that the oxygen clears your brain - and read again.