Militants using MANPADS shot down MiG-23 air force of Libya

There were reports that the terrorists shot down the MiG-23 plane of the Libyan air force in the sky over Benghazi. Initially, local media reported that a military aircraft crashed due to a technical malfunction. Now it became known about the attack of the aircraft with a rocket of a portable anti-aircraft missile system. The model of MANPADS is not reported.

The attack on the plane of the MANPADS missile reported to the representatives of the command of a Libyan military pilot who managed to eject in time.

It is known that the Libyan air forces today launched a major operation against the militants of the Islamic State and Al-Qaida terrorist groups (both banned in the Russian Federation) in the Benghazi region. For several hours, the positions of terrorists to the west of the city, considered a stronghold of the Libyan opposition, were attacked from the air.

Military experts believe that the appearance of MANPADS from terrorists in Libya can be regarded as a development of the situation with the announcement of US officials to approve the supply of such weapons to "moderate oppositionists" in the Middle East, in particular, to Syria. Considering the fact that Syria’s “moderate oppositionists” have contacts with Al-Qaida’s affiliate Al-Nusra Front (also banned in the Russian Federation), the appearance of Al-Qaida’s MANPADS in Libya remained a matter of the near future. It seems that this time, unfortunately for the Libyan Air Force, has come ...

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[APASUS]

MANPADS systems are subject to international control and their export is limited by a special agreement. The Americans or their allies, represented by the Cathars, are quietly engaged in deliveries, thereby supplying terrorists in the open.

[Muvka]

And about this news will be? Prior to this, the T-90s in service will be upgraded.

[Zibelew]

Mikimaus Obamych said that democracy won there. Doesn't it seem to the highly respected audience that in dictionaries it is necessary to supplement the word "democracy" with a synonym for "lawlessness"?

[Izotovp]

And McCain in Vietnam?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Muvka

And about this news will be? Prior to this, the T-90s in service will be upgraded.

The article covers a slightly different topic!

[Muvka]

No one is against it. But why there is no article on my subject? Is it really impossible to work faster?

[samoletil18]

Write, Shura, write! These weights are golden! In terms of rating

[kapitan92]

Quote: Muvka

But why there is no article on my subject? Is it really impossible to work faster?

"Haste is needed when catching fleas and diarrhea!" (pog).

[Bykov.]

Quote: APASUS

MANPADS systems are subject to international control and their export is limited by a special agreement. The Americans or their allies, represented by the Cathars, are quietly engaged in deliveries, thereby supplying terrorists in the open.

Sooner or later, with the help of these MANPADS, they will bring down some civilian plane, but already in Qatar itself, whether the EU is the USA,

[padded jacket]

Quote: Bulls.

they will bring down some civilian plane, but already in Qatar itself, whether the EU is the United States,

In Qatar, they will not be shot down by allies and sponsors of these same terrorists
The USA is far overseas and they believe that MANPADS will not penetrate into their country
And in the EU for a long time already they all spit on, they completely lost their authority and became simply hand lapdogs of the USA of Israel and other enemies of the world on our planet.
The remains of former luxury - the airfield of the Air Force Academy in Misurata. September 2016

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[Razvedka_Boem]

The sponsors of the terrorists are mistaken in that they can control them. And MANPADS, if desired, are not so difficult to deliver even to Europe, even to America.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

The sponsors of the terrorists are mistaken in that they can control them.

Well, while the sponsors of the terrorists control them quite successfully and there are no attacks on the USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar

[Tusv]

Quote: Bulls.

Sooner or later, with the help of these MANPADS, they will bring down some civilian plane, but already in Qatar itself, whether the EU is the USA,

Yes easily. Stingers are already beating up to 8 km in height at a speed of 1,3 km / s. And together with the Evenings they are delivered to the Saudis and Egypt. Baska’s head does not think at all about their Americans’s heads, they eat into it and they utter anger towards Russia

[kapitan92]

Quote: Tusv

Stingers are already beating up to 8 km in height

Interesting! Link to the studio.

[Tusv]

Quote: kapitan92

Interesting! Link to the studio.

Is it difficult to type Avenger on Google?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: kapitan92

It’s hard to poop! Gave info, give a link. Otherwise, this is empty talk.

And I’m not going to take off your panties so I’ll poop

Come on! And there’s no link !? So a dummy!

[Tusv]

Quote: kapitan92

Come on! And there’s no link !? So a dummy!

The speed of 2600 km per hour from f 16 is a dummy. Well, they do not know how, but they declare.
And so about their stingers quite readily declare from 30 meters to 8 km. Speed ​​2.2 Mach. Google Link costs 10 liters of beer

[kapitan92]

Quote: Tusv

Google

First of all google. I do not like familiarity.

Quote: Tusv

Link costs 10 liters of beer

The main thing is not to describe!

[Tusv]

Quote: kapitan92

First google. I don’t like familiarity

Familiarity and respect, of course, are different things, but even those like Mr. Mechelson and Deripaska are not particularly vigorous. I personally am 47 years old and I think calling me "you" is the height of disrespect.
I have the honor

[Tusv]

Quote: kapitan92

The main thing is not to describe!

What are you talking about? Year and a half ago. Leningrad, Guards, Orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov returned the name. Here the adversary will not be only an asshole :) And he fought before my database

[Razvedka_Boem]

Stingers are already beating up to 8 km in height at a speed of 1,3 km / s.

So far, there are no such speeds at MANPADS.

[Tusv]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

So far, there are no such speeds at MANPADS.

2 and 2 M as stated. Do you think that the speed of the Willow is different from the rocket from the Shell? 1,2 km / s

[Razvedka_Boem]

2M is Mach 2 speed, that is, two speeds of sound, which is 780 m / s. And from 8 km you mixed up the slant range.
And Mach 2.2 will be 844 m / s.

[Samarin]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

that is, two speeds of sound, which is 780 m / s

The speed of sound = 331 m / s (in the air), with arithmetic you somehow do not really ...

[Razvedka_Boem]

Wrong, it happens.

But as you have already noticed - this is a variable and depends on the air temperature.
The speed you specify will be at 0 degrees.
But usually indicate the speed at room temperature, and it will be approximately 340 m / s.
And in that typo that I made, a similar speed will be at a temperature of just over 100 degrees Celsius.

[Tusv]

Quote: Samarin

you with arithmetic are somehow not very

And let's not be smart. The number M is a variable

[Vadim237]

"There are no such speeds on MANPADS yet." As not, and the Starstreak HVM MANPADS
Missile length: 1,39 m
Case diameter: 0,13 m
Wingspan: 0,27 m
Missile weight: 14 kg
Maximum speed: ~ 3,5 M
Range: 1500-5500 m (up to 7000+ m)
Flying time: 8 sec.
Height of hit targets: 5000 m
Warhead: three penetrating tungsten sub-elements “darts” with fragmentation warheads
Subelement mass: ~ 0,9 kg

[Razvedka_Boem]

Characteristics can be overestimated for advertising purposes, especially since there is no data on their use in military operations.
It is interesting that it is used in the engine as fuel, that with such a mass, it supposedly provides such a speed.

[Vadim237]

The speed of the rocket doesn’t make any sense to overestimate - and the engine is more likely to use a high-energy powder mixture. The laser guidance system is a semiautomatic device, all electronic warfare systems, including thermal traps against it, are useless - we would like such a MANPADS.

[Razvedka_Boem]

The fact that there is solid fuel is already clear. And the rocket speed, given the firing range and the flight speed of the target, which will be in the region of 700 m / s, does not make sense with regard to MANPADS.
Why?
Response time.
A person simply does not have time to react. Or, he will have to bring the MANPADS into combat position in advance and know the direction of fire that will be issued to him from the radars. But these radars work in conjunction with other air defense systems and can bring down a high-speed target themselves.
Also, I am not a chemical physicist, but in principle it is possible to calculate what kind of energy is needed in order to accelerate a rocket with a mass of tens of kilograms to supposedly 4 km / s for 5-1.3 seconds.
It is unlikely that the mass of the powder mixture will be more than a couple kg. The remaining weight is the body, engine and the striking element.
In general, I want to say that I doubt the declared speed.

[Dekabrist]

Stinger
Lesion area, m:
- range (catch-up) - 500 - 4750 (up to 8km for FIM-92E)
- in height - 3500


The mass of the complex in combat position, kg 15.7
Missile launch mass, kg 10.1
Rocket length, mm 1500
The diameter of the rocket, mm 70
Span of stabilizers, mm 91
Weight of warhead, kg 2.3
Rocket flight speed, m/s 640
Do not confuse the horizontal distance!

[APASUS]

Quote: Bulls.

Sooner or later, with the help of these MANPADS, they will bring down some civilian plane, but already in Qatar itself, whether the EU is the USA,

Why drag them to the USA or the EU?
It is enough to drag to Cyprus, Turkey, Egypt, and regular flights of EU countries and the United States themselves arrive.

[Rom14]

What the Americans are doing, the world community can only modestly speak in their kitchen. Here ours will win and there will be a trial of the main terrorist .., but for now it remains to wish Victory.

[kapitan92]

Quote: APASUS

MANPADS systems are subject to international control and their export is limited by a special agreement.

Come on, you, escalate! Control, yes, even international. How many MANPADS were in the arsenals of the Libyan army, which were stolen by everyone.

Quote: APASUS

The Americans or their allies in the person of the Cathars are quietly engaged in deliveries, thereby supplying terrorists openly.

In the arsenals of Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, there was a sufficient amount of weapons of this type, which was thrown to the delight of barmaley.

[Sterlya]

Well, like this. Chernysh staked ISIS Stingers. Did you expect anything else?
The hedgehog knew what the Monkey would give them. Yes, forced to accept.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: APASUS

MANPADS systems are subject to international control and their export is limited by a special agreement.

That's just the same Libyan terrorists did not sign these treaties. And in their hands - the warehouses of Gaddafi. In addition, the reliable supply of Syrian terrorists is the army of neighboring Iraq, regularly leaving warehouses and garrisons during the retreat.
So there and there are suppliers of prohibited weapons.

[Mar.Tirah]

Well, and still Russia is asked to send troops. We have enough of Syria. And let Libya restore those who destroyed it.

[210ox]

It’s a pity. There was a beautiful country .... Until they began to carry the dermocracy ..

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: 210ox

It’s a pity. There was a beautiful country .... Until they began to carry the dermocracy ..

Everything there was tied to a person with a capital L Colonel Gaddafi. They killed Leo and a lot of blood flowed.

[79807420129]

Quote: 210ox

Too bad the country was beautiful

It was once.

[svp67]

The trouble is that this MANPADS could appear there from anywhere and that it did appear there. Well, you can't "play" with this type of weapon. Moreover, to give it to those whom you do not control ...

[Niccola Mack]

Moreover, give it to those who do not control ...

I heard a story about how the Yusovites after Afghanistan (how ours left) bought the same Stingers back from the spirits for big money.

[Alex_Rarog]

Damn, the Syrian flyers should also be more attentive ... I think our planes are better equipped ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

I think our planes are better equipped...

The MiG-23 started flying when I was still a green lieutenant. And he quit his job at the beginning of the 90s as a lieutenant colonel ... Yes, the Libyans are just heroes, that they still fly on them !!!! Thank God, not at Farman. Of course, I am not one of the flyers, but I heard "not so much" about him from them. They said that to put such an engine on an iron - and it will fly ... We probably don't even have training MiG-23s left ...

[Tusv]

Quote: Zoldat_A

They said that putting such an engine on an iron would fly

It seems that they said about him in the gravitational troops - A flying chisel. Four borders without a pilot flying Sam saw off 220 km, chesslovo

[210ox]

And we remember everything about Rust .. And then ours from Poland flew all of Europe ..

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Zoldat_A

They said that putting such an engine on an iron would fly

It seems that they said about him in the gravitational troops - A flying chisel. Four borders without a pilot flying Sam saw off 220 km, chesslovo

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tusv

It seems that they said about him in the gravitational troops - A flying chisel. Four borders without a pilot flying

4 borders and 5 countries: took off in Poland, there he scared the pilot-politician right up to the bailout, after which he stopped being weird and went on autopilot across the borders: Poland-GDR, GDR-Germany, Germany-Netherlands, Netherlands-Belgium. The fuel ran out over Belgium - and the MiG-23 fell to the farm (1 person died).
The MiG-23 was escorted by NATO fighters, but could not be shot down - the plane, as luck would have it, was flying over a densely populated area, and no one wanted to take responsibility for the victims on the ground.

[Sterlya]

You need to water the Shit! Everywhere!
This is like my answer to the "actions" of shit.
Especially on Obama's actions. Baboon 1st class stupidity. Far gone went on stupidity even from the Baboons!

[210ox]

Certainly better .. But besides the quality of technology, there must be a well-trained pilot .. And the Libyans and Syrians not only fly on MiGs of half a century of freshness, but the skill leaves much to be desired ...

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Damn, the Syrian flyers should also be more attentive ... I think our planes are better equipped ...

[tatarin_ru]

Libya, this is a signal to Syria that now they have other opportunities and this will have to be reckoned with.

[Thunderbolt]

Military experts believe that the appearance of MANPADS by terrorists in Libya can be regarded as a development of the situation with the announcement of American officials to approve the supply of such weapons to “moderate opposition” in the Middle East, in particular, in Syria.

And what is the basis for such a conclusion of anonymous "military experts", just on assumptions? With the same success it could be a Chinese MANPADS. Prove that this is not so ...

[Vadim237]

The militants in Syria that in Libya MANPADS of local storage and use, and these complexes were jammed there.

[SibRUS]

Such a country was stirred up by a Nobel laureate. I propose that after the 20th, send him there as an ambassador, let him run.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Damn, the Syrian flyers should also be more attentive ... I think our planes are better equipped ...

You're right. Ours operate at heights beyond the reach of MANPADS. And helicopters should recall their experience in Afghanistan. To extinguish the barmaley at night. There’s everything for this.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Mar. Tira

.A helicopters must remember the experience in Afghanistan. To extinguish the barmaley at night. For this, everything is there.

And at night MANPADS "don't work"?

[gladysheff2010]

Oh, how "miraculously" Western leaders are fighting terrorism, well, just a balm for the heart of the Saudis!

[Banishing liberoids]

As promised by the Nobel hell, the United States still put in the MANPADS region. Critters, I won’t be amazed if a igil also has a nuclear weapon.

[taseka]

Everyone forgot how the right sector on the sly in Western Ukraine in one of the military units "took" 24 sets of MANPADS in 2014 (raise the press)

[svp67]

Quote: taseka

Everyone forgot how the right sector on the sly in Western Ukraine in one of the military units "took" 24 sets of MANPADS in 2014 (raise the press)

Yes, no, they have not forgotten, just all MANPADS have one quality that can be considered both good and bad, depending on how you look at it. The shelf life of the missiles is FINAL, after which they can only be used as sinkers ...

[Bongo]

Quote: svp67

The shelf life of the missiles is FINAL, after which they can only be used as sinkers ...

The shelf life of any weapon is FINAL, with regard to MANPADS, the shelf life of disposable batteries is critical there. I do not recommend using them as sinkers - the fish in the pond after this will rest.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: Mar. Tira

.A helicopters must remember the experience in Afghanistan. To extinguish the barmaley at night. For this, everything is there.

And at night MANPADS "don't work"?

Well try? It will turn out to be the chief designer. Especially against the Night Hunter.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: Mar. Tira

.A helicopters must remember the experience in Afghanistan. To extinguish the barmaley at night. For this, everything is there.

And at night MANPADS "don't work"?

Well try? It will turn out to be the chief designer. Especially against the Night Hunter.

I don't need to try, there are enough of their own main ones. And here is a Night Hunter, not a Night Hunter. "Stinger" machine is serious and works well at night too.

[Bongo]

Quote: kapitan92

I don't need to try, there are enough of their own main ones. And here is a Night Hunter, not a Night Hunter. "Stinger" machine is serious and works well at night too.

I had nothing to do with the Stinger, but it happened with domestic MANPADS. This is not such an easy-to-use weapon as is commonly believed among ordinary people.
As for this video, several points are noteworthy:
1. On the MANPADS apparently there is a sight with a night channel.
2. The target search is carried out in a narrow sector, the calculation of MANPADS clearly knows in advance from which direction an unmanned target will appear. Shooting is carried out in greenhouse conditions, in the absence of countermeasures.
3. But even in this case, the defeat of the target does not occur in 100% of launches.

[Razvedka_Boem]

This is not such an easy-to-use weapon as is commonly believed among the townsfolk.

Absolutely.

[Rabinowicz]

They kill each other, and then Israel will blame ...

[kapitan92]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: kapitan92
First google. I don’t like familiarity
Familiarity and respect, of course, are different things, but even those like Mr. Mechelson and Deripaska are not particularly vigorous. I personally am 47 years old and I think calling me "you" is the height of disrespect.
I have the honor

Let's start with the fact that not Mechelson, but Leonid Michelson.
I am not familiar with them, so I don’t know how these gentlemen vomit, especially or not especially.
I am older than you. When at 47 years old a person pokes, and he considers it to be the highest of respect, this speaks first of all about his level of education and the environment where he received it.
And you will save your honor when you send a link to your information.
All the best!

[The splinter]

The main thing is that the pilot is alive, he is more expensive than an airplane.

[Leeder]

I hope several NATO flyers will be sent away, maybe after that the brains will turn on ...