Medina and Ernst "got" in the "Viking" all of Russia, including Putin

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There were so many shouts and joys after the release of Panfilov’s that our cinema, it turns out, may be that revival is not far off, and so on.

Over the mountains. For Tibetan at least.



In short, I went to this "Viking". On the "vtyuhing", if it is quite honest. Not that I succumbed to advertising, although in my house, perhaps, only an iron and a refrigerator did not advertise this, if I may say so, film. Friends were invited, their ticket disappeared, the person could not go. Lucky him.

Less than all, perhaps, Putin was lucky. There was a reporting on the First, where the president was introduced to the actors, as if the film was shown and all that. And then they also asked for opinions. No, our president, a diplomat, of course, God forbid. So wriggle out of a pretty fig situation - it is necessary to be able to. Ours is able.

The film, they say, is not a documentary, can cause different opinions, and he would watch it again, so to speak, to fully understand the situation.

Vladimir Vladimirovich Respect, of course. It is unlikely that he would have spent his second time on IT. Well, how was it possible to say that the garbage was piled into the faces of the cameras? That dodged the president.

Well, after that Ernst simply arranged an advertising hysteria. Why, the president himself would have looked a second time! All on the movie !!!

And by the way, let's go. Many have gone. Putin recommends how ...

At the exit of the cinema I heard the opinion “from the crowd”: “Maybe some other film was shown to Putin?”

Better not say.

So what I saw. I saw something faded and incomprehensible. And the opposite. The prince, reminiscent of a clogged bum from a nearby heat point, is about as adequate, half-mass, characteristic of a student low-budget and dirt. There was a lot of dirt. Dirt was all over the place. About historical I don’t even want to say reliability, people (much more knowledgeable than me) will say (if they have not already said) on this topic.

I will talk about the affairs of more familiar. About money.

The fact that more than half was stolen from the budget in 1,25 billion rubles, that's for sure. From the remaining, apparently, half (if not more) went to advertising. And what is left - filmed this nonsense.

Here I would like to take a break and apologize. Nikita Mikhalkov. How many times my master fell away from me, especially for “The Weary”, how many times I said that “it could not be worse” ... It turns out that it could. Sorry, Nikita Sergeevich, was wrong. In your films, the actors, at least, played. Here served a duty, nothing more.

Actors play is a separate song. More precisely, the funeral march to Russian cinema. It seemed that they were playing for free, but before each scene they were also beaten. Then, somewhat departing from the first impressions, I thought that in the course of the play some had an understanding of what Vikings they were in, but it was too late to back up.

There are investigation films. There are disaster films. This can be attributed to the category of “spitting film”. Spitting in the face of the whole history of Russia. Spitting in the face of all those to whom this concept is expensive. Dear spit. Billion and a quarter.

And what was the money spent on? In fact, to show that Russia of that time is a sort of bunch of dirty barbarians under the guidance of the type of prince, the same ragged one, walking in rags and sleeping on the floor. Removing earrings from his woman to pay off the roof.

Shameful and disgusting. The Russia of that time, saddled the way "from the Varangians to the Greeks" (yes, also to Persia across the Caspian Sea) is shown by some provincial village. Dirty and barbaric.



I will not touch the details and describe the scenes from the film, there is only dirt. Dirt and lies.

I will ask only one question: who benefits?

Who benefits from singing an old Russian barbarians song again? Who benefits from showing our history in such an unsightly way?

Yes, we know who. We know.

It’s just that they seem to be noisy about Panfilov’s players, but everyone seems to have gotten into the faces of those who were making films that provoked a normal person to feel sick. Sigh. And not here it was!

The Ministry of Culture stands out! Confidently watches! Do not miss! Will not allow! Will not give money!

Well played, nothing to say. But I am sure that Mr. Medina still holds an ace in the sleeve and treats us with something more epochal and costly. I think it will be something crunchy billet two billion. With the board, Mannerheim didn’t roll, let's start with Prince Vladimir, let's continue, for example, in the times of Peter the Great. Or Russian-Japanese war.

Hardworking Medina enough. Pile netlenki. At our expense.

The result of the film:
Art value - 0.
Historical value - 0.
Actors play - 0.

And minus 1 250 000 000 rubles without a chance to return them.

And by person ... I'll start with the director.

Mr. Andrey Kravchuk.

This is the third film of Kravchuk, sincerely I hope that he will be the last. If his first film (“Italian”) received 14 awards and prizes, the second one (“Admiral”) already has 3, then Viking will receive something, but not with us. And there, where they will appreciate Kravchuk’s aspiration to wallow in the mud everything he can reach. But it would be better if Mr. Kravchuk returned to his television series.

To their own? I apologize to my. The only series (“Gentlemen Officers”) about being a prison is all that Kravchuk can boast of. "Streets of Broken Lanterns" and "Black Raven" - this is in company with others.

It is not clear, you know, how an unremarkable director, already of solid age, suddenly got the opportunity to make such an epochal (financially) film.

Perhaps ... well, let's not make hasty conclusions.

About Mr. Ernst is not particularly say anything. A person earns money on everything his hands can reach, regardless of quality. Enough list of his work to see. But the fact that Mr. Ernst “dragged” such a movie with such a script on the first channel only says that Ernst himself as a screenwriter ... is not a fountain. All that he can boast (except orders) - these are three scenarios of “Old songs about the main thing”. And that's all.

In the address of our main character, Mr. Medinsky, I want to sully the old Georgian anecdote on the topic “Listen, tell me honestly, who are you friend, me or that bear?”

To whom a friend in this country is the current Minister of Culture is a very difficult question. No less complicated than the question of whether we have a ministry of culture. Or is it just money laundering laundry. The laundry is more like.

You can challenge everything I said here. And the film may not be so bad. And Kievan Rus was a dirty mess with rogue rulers. This is also a question. To historians.

But, dear readers from among those who watched it, tell me, did you see in this loaf, only by pure chance called the movie 1 (one) billion 250 (two hundred and fifty) million rubles? I have not seen.

If this is what the media called the “revival of the national cinema”, let this cinema die better in convulsions, but will finally stop giving us “tired”, “Stalingrad” and other “Vikings”.

As practice has shown, Russians (and not only) are able to determine for themselves what they need. Better that way.

Gentlemen of Medina, Ernst and Kravchuk - this is a disgrace of our culture. Although, if such people are in culture, the question is the very existence of it. People who for huge money spit on the history of the Fatherland are not worthy of a different term.

Although some seem to be honorably carrying the awards "For services to the Fatherland."

Before what country, tell me?
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  1. +153
    10 January 2017 06: 09
    I completely agree with the author. The greatest contempt is the Minister of Culture. I listened repeatedly to his interview, the impression that he wants to * like everyone at once *. The greatest indignation caused him to justify the Poles * for misunderstanding *.
    1. +31
      10 January 2017 06: 52
      Quote: Vasily50
      I completely agree with the author. The greatest contempt is the Minister of Culture. I listened repeatedly to his interview, the impression that he wants to * like everyone at once *. The greatest indignation caused him to justify the Poles * for misunderstanding *.


      And this comment would have posted a few dozen pluses!
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        1. +38
          10 January 2017 07: 45
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          In terms of the content of the film, pay attention to the main consultant of the film, ardent Normanist Petrukhin Vladimir Yakovlevich.

          There one is "worthy" of the other. As for your link, I liked this
          “There are forces that are constructing their ideology around the poorly educated part of the Orthodox clergy, of course, tendentiously trying to tweak history, portraying the Jews as the fiends of hell and enemies of Mother Russia, often justifying the shameful pages of the history of Orthodoxy. Objective knowledge of history is necessary not only to expose any lies and lies, but also to deprive those arguments behind whose words the shadow of future blood libels, pogroms and Black Hundred actions is visible. "
          How lovely laughing I recognize the style of our Jewish "friends".
          PS The site works intermittently, so you click on add and exit, otherwise you get duplication.
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          3. +6
            10 January 2017 19: 05
            I recognize the style of our Jewish "friends".
            Someone ruined the air - of course the Jews are guilty.
            1. 0
              19 January 2017 23: 04
              Quote: aleks700
              Someone ruined the air - of course the Jews are guilty.

              Do you have something against the defeat of the Khazar Khaganate?
              1. 0
                20 January 2017 07: 11
                You still remember the Egyptian captivity
                1. 0
                  21 January 2017 00: 30
                  Quote: aleks700
                  You still remember the Egyptian captivity

                  Apparently the Khazar Kaganate is that "Egypt" from which the Jews were expelled.
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      11. +5
        10 January 2017 18: 46
        and this and all other comments on the film "Fiking"
        for the sake of interest, I looked through all the comments - well, at least one positive ...
        prostrate dumb ...
        what can you say - if only - I congratulate you, gentlemen of the Ministry of Culture and the producers of "Fiking" - once again ...
      12. +1
        19 January 2017 11: 54
        A film is an endless historical lie well tailored by the standards of Hollywood, an abomination about the Russian people, Russia, there is a way to earn money, money in art and at the expense of art. And as you know, money does not smell, and any lie, any meanness and baseness, if they allow you to earn loot, will do for this. In this regard, the low artistic value just allows you to earn money through luring a movie theater to as many public as possible, especially poorly trained, illiterate, who definitely won’t take a serious film, and who popping popcorn and sipping Pepsi will not pay attention to lack of historical truth. But this is not enough, you still need to ensure the subsequent rental of the film abroad, to ensure there the rake of dough. And here it is just the historical lie, the abomination that the film is crammed with, is of paramount importance. Who will watch a third-rate film tailored by the standards of Hollywood, created by an unknown author, when the screens are filled with similar consumer goods. And in the case of the movie "Vikings" the people will tumble, the authors say. In conditions when Russophobia goes beyond all conceivable limits, obviously, there is nothing better than a film screening showing Russian lapnost, shnost, their wretchedness and enlightenment of Western civilization. After watching the film, Russophobes will simply lift up the author and the director, and orders for similar fakes, the abomination will fall in droves. Here it is happiness ... The bubble will roll. This could be finished. But in conclusion, it is necessary to say a few more words about the customer, the state customer of such arts.
        The film was created with the support, if not with the full funding of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. In this connection, the question arises: there is no censorship in Russia, but the Ministry of Culture as a state body obliged to comply with the state interest in culture, why projects directed against culture, morality, morality, Russian history and are financed by state money, our money, taxpayer money her people. If this was the only case, then one could close one’s eyes: they were mistaken, they say ... But the trouble is that this is not the first time that projects that are alien to Russian culture are financed from the state fund and from state money. It is enough to recall the well-known opera in one of the provincial theaters, the show of which was stopped after the intervention of angry spectators, or the existence of the Yeltsin Center in Yekaterinburg, the main purpose of which is to cultivate the young generation, which completely denies the greatness and pride of Russia.
        In Russia, there is no censorship, but in art in Russia, only what is compatible with the culture, customs, morality of Russia and the peoples of Russia should be allowed with state money. Any experiments, which, undoubtedly, should be in art, which differ from these requirements, should be carried out exclusively at the personal expense of the author, donations from private interested parties. The state should not have anything to do with such experiments: if you want to spit from the screen, spit. If you want to demonstrate your ass at the opening day, please demonstrate to the joy of the public, which, looking at this, will applaud and bring money, but the state, represented by the Ministry of Culture, should not participate in this at all.
        I conclude the article with the question: how long will the Ministry of Culture finance anti-artistic works alien to culture, morality, morality of Russia, the peoples of Russia, where is the limit of immorality ??!
        1. +1
          19 January 2017 23: 08
          Quote: The Truth
          The film is an endless historical lie well tailored by the standards of Hollywood, an abomination about the Russian people

          Watch movies like Troy or Braveheart, the same thing there, the rulers who united the country are exposed as villains, and criminals and murderers are noble heroes. This is in the spirit of Western cinema.
    2. +9
      10 January 2017 07: 28
      This, of course, is not Hollywood - it is, in general, hell knows what.
      1. +43
        10 January 2017 13: 06
        Quote: Blondy
        This, of course, is not Hollywood - it is, in general, hell knows what.


        This is Russian capitalism. The main thing is to fill your own pocket with budget bills, and the biomass will gurgle and stall. And next year, the eternally living scarecrow with her gang, sprinkling with dandruff on the stage, will again sow joy to the masses. And the Ministry of Culture will roll back kickbacks and entertain the biomass with the next "masterpieces" slapped by mediocre children of famous parents.
        1. +9
          12 January 2017 12: 41
          larand
          This is Russian capitalism. The main thing is to fill your own pocket with budget bills,
          This is exactly. Name one of the domestic "blockbusters" filmed with budget money a film masterpiece? Guano was taken on a rare basis. Some fantasy films are love and fascists. laughing Stalingrad and the Battle of Sevastopol. Film deity for our money. And compare with 28 Panfilovites! The cats of the court washed laughing
      2. +10
        11 January 2017 01: 14
        Quote: Blondy
        This, of course, is not Hollywood - it is, in general, hell knows what.

        I laughed until blue in the face at this review - the article is called "Dirty Viking Danila": http://www.south-rus.org/articles/tales.php?ELEME
        NT_ID = 8780
        1. +5
          14 January 2017 10: 01
          Here are the guys with hilarity approached the review:
          1. +1
            22 January 2017 15: 56
            yyy !!! listened! citizens. nuuuuuuu !!!!! what similar expected! as soon as the poster saw.
        2. +1
          16 January 2017 15: 06
          I read the review here. Thank! Neighing from the heart! But the money spent on the shooting is a pity. Eprst filmed, and got the result.
      3. vmo
        +1
        14 January 2017 09: 06
        A very correct remark, for that there was a cry of "fucking" advertising. Note, the more advertising, the worse the film
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    4. +49
      10 January 2017 10: 11
      During the holidays, my wife and I went to see, spat, pomatyugalsya and left. There was only one desire - to put a face in the face, to the one who cooked up this "masterpiece". negative
      1. +6
        11 January 2017 11: 25
        Quote: vovanpain
        During the holidays, my wife and I went to see, spat, pomatyugalsya and left. There was only one desire - to put a face in the face, to the one who cooked up this "masterpiece".

        Similarly.
        We decided to go with my wife too, led to advertising. As Roman correctly said - at home, perhaps, only the iron and refrigerator did not advertise this film, so to speak,. Came 06.01.2017/18/XNUMX (!) Right almost to the evening session, XNUMX+. No tickets. The next session is a similar situation. Took the next day.
        Have come. We looked. At the end of the film - a puzzled look of the wife and the question: what was it?
        I am not praising Hollywood cinema, but it is not the first season that the series "Vikings" has been filmed and shown. We have it now on the channel (I will not speak, they will be accused of advertising, you will find it yourself), in two episodes. The series is shown after 23.00 and until 01.00, for 18+. As in the evening sessions of "Ftyuhing".
        Why did I mention this.
        Besides, in this series, only one episode (Karl!) Of action, plot and extras will be more than in the above-mentioned "masterpiece" ...
        "Where is the money, Zin?"
        PS
        It's funny that one of the slogans in the current advertising announcements of the series "Vikings" on the channel (I won't say which one) was:
        "Watch real wigings, only on the channel (I won't tell you which one)! good
        1. +4
          13 January 2017 11: 01
          Quote: oborzevatel
          "Where is the money, Zin?"

          In all honesty, if I had been given 1.25 yards and given the task of making a historical film, I would have done the same and mastered them. The budget is 20 mln. Bucks suggests that it is possible to shoot a film masterpiece, because the budget, for example, of the Terminator was $ 6 million, and the budget of the Matrix, taking into account the most expensive (not at all flawed) graphics, is only 60. The customer is the state and as the Customer it should at least ask the Contractor on the basis of what historical sources, a film will be shot, which itself should become a historical manual, who will be a consultant, etc. Of course, if they had given me money for this project, then I would have relied on other sources about the life of the Slavs, about the personality of Vladimir, and would definitely not have invited Petrukhin as a historical consultant. http://rideo.tv/petruhin/, which is quite officially an ardent supporter of the Norman theory and whose scientific activity over the past 25 years has been devoted to JEWISH history. But in reality, the Customer was represented by PEOPLE who did not need to know that the Scandinavians in pre-Christian times called Russia Gardariki (a country of cities) and they liked that the Russians are represented by dirty cattle and the prince collector of lands is just as dirty (he woke up and immediately got into shit that would correspond to the ideas of the descendants), but with serious mental disorders (always whining, no one gives him, hallucinogens, rape and complete zero as a warrior). In general, I want to say that those who removed this masterpiece are not so guilty as they say - "everything I can", but the officials who paid with our money for this opus are thieves.
      2. +4
        12 January 2017 16: 26
        Already before NG there were reviews of this film by quite serious people. You could read, see. No, they carried the money in this hat. Oh ...
    5. +41
      10 January 2017 10: 24
      I really liked his review and the questions raised in it, judging by the emotional response from the author, was boiling. In this connection, I would like to draw one historical parallel. Stalin often asked to make certain amendments to the paintings or scenarios he had watched in order to observe historical or everyday truth, because cinema is not only entertainment and learning new things, it is also propaganda. Putin, according to the author, dodged in his interview.
      I won’t watch the film (mention of Ernst’s authorship was enough for me). I don’t intend to spend quality films and spend my time watching rubbish on advertising. Thanks to the author for an honest opinion.
      1. +25
        10 January 2017 14: 50
        How not to recall, shouting liberals, Soviet censorship - such a film would be buried already at the stage of the script, together with the author ....
      2. +13
        10 January 2017 18: 32
        vezdehodov

        Thanks to the author.
        Criticism, soft and fair.

        Now to the point.

        Firstly, in a bourgeois state, bourgeois culture.
        What does this mean?
        And that means. The bourgeoisie, which is currently carrying out dictatorship. Built for itself an economic system-capitalism.
        The goal of capitalism is the release of GOOD quality goods so that you can make a profit.
        This film is a colorful product, but the need for this product, its usefulness may not be significant. Since the goal is set, not quality, but profit.

        In a situation like this, quality should be monitored by supervision, censorship, the Ministry of Culture, Mr. LORD Medinsky. But given that for Mr. Medinsky, ideologically, the picture turned out to be self-sufficient, then the demand from him is minimal. Like a goat’s milk.

        Now about the cost of bourgeois projects.

        Here we need a digression with explanations. It is necessary to compare two economic systems. Capitalism and socialism.

        Under socialism there was ATTENTION ...: a public commodity that was paid in stores with treasury tickets. Why is it so complicated? Because under socialism, the goal of releasing public goods is to provide citizens with services and these goods are paid for with treasury bills, in which there is no fixed cost of bank interest. And the price of public goods is the cost.

        Under capitalism, the goal of ATTENTION- product release is to make a profit. Goods are paid in money, which also have value, this is the bank interest inherent in them. Thus, the price of public goods and goods can have a significant difference, from 20 to 200 percent or more.

        Under capitalism, competition was required to monitor the value of goods. But the bourgeoisie created a corporate agreement. The difference between a public product and a product cannot be LOWER than 20%. As a result, whatever percentage the bourgeoisie would like to receive, capitalism leads to the transfer of money from the consumer into bourgeois pockets. And gentlemen, as you know, there can not be much. Therefore, capitalism comes to a legal crisis. Lack of solvency.

        Now explaining the situation with the bourgeoisie, I want to return to our topic of bourgeois culture.

        The author, how do you think Mr. Ernst will work for free? Moreover, under the auspices of Medinsky, he is a true MONOPOLIST.

        Well, you vezdehodov.

        Putin, circumvented the situation. Why cling is hard to explain. Education is needed, to raise the population. Without proper education, explanation is pointless and difficult. Here is the new Minister of Education and must build an educational system. In the meantime, there is something.
        1. +4
          10 January 2017 18: 43
          A little explanation.

          Under socialism there is a public commodity at a cost price. AND DISTRIBUTED public goods, through stores through treasury bills. In which there is no cost of bank interest.

          Under capitalism, there is simply a commodity. Which is SOLD in shops, for money. In which bank interest is laid, and money itself is a commodity.

          Accordingly, all other bourgeois values ​​should be considered through the prism of the above.
          1. +5
            10 January 2017 19: 08
            A blooper on a blooper your "explanation":

            Quote: gladcu2
            Under socialism there is a social commodity ...

            - state. Not "public". And there is also a private one, on the collective farm market, for example

            Quote: gladcu2
            ... at cost price ...

            - this is when how ...
            - carpets and other "luxury items" (and there were a lot of that included) - were sold much higher than the cost price
            - bread - below the cost ... that is why the most "smart" used it when fattening pigs, for example

            Quote: gladcu2
            ... AND DISTRIBUTED PUBLIC GOODS ...

            - And sold-Taky state product...

            Quote: gladcu2
            through treasury bills. In which there is no cost of bank interest

            - There was no gold content in treasury bills. Even the nominal. Only in this they differed from bank tickets
            - Both treasury and bank tickets were ordinary money.
            - "bank interest" appears as soon as money can be given (borrowed) on a loan at interest
            - You want to say that under socialism there were no loans? Or were the loans interest free? Do not make sneakers ...

            In short, you are preaching heresy ... a foreigner request
            1. +3
              10 January 2017 20: 43
              Cat man null

              There are no mistakes.

              Read the explanation further. I wrote below, you will understand.

              In the early USSR, socialism was carried out by the dictatorship of the proletariat. And private enterprise was forced to lower the cost of its GOODS to the price border of PUBLIC GOODS of national production, which were then still sold at cost. Sold because there was competition.

              In the late USSR, the DICTATURE of the proletariat was replaced by the DICTATURE of the CPSU. Why so? We look at the definition of dictatorship. DICTATURE is the power of a minority. The CPSU was not a majority.
              In the late USSR, the CPSU had already become a party of the bourgeoisie. They entered the party from career motives. And with the collapse of the USSR, the CPSU created the economic system of capitalism. Having privatized or robbed public property, which can also be safely called privatization. When, I’m talking about the CPSU, as a bourgeois party, I’m talking about that part of the careerists. May honest communists, Marxists-Leninists, forgive me. Which remained in the minority.

              Therefore, the economic system is characterized primarily by the attitude to the product.

              And in order not to create confusion in the heads, it is necessary to insist on naming the product under socialism and distribution, as a PUBLIC PRODUCT.
              1. +4
                10 January 2017 20: 55
                Quote: gladcu2
                In the early USSR, socialism was carried out by the dictatorship of the proletariat. And private enterprise was forced to lower the cost of its GOODS to the price border of PUBLIC GOODS of national production, which were then still sold at cost. Sold because there was competition ...

                - all
                - mnu broke brains
                - you are not familiar with Gridasov, by chance? IMHO you have a style with him, um ... the arguments are very similar: a lot, not very connected and categorically incomprehensible
                - at this level I’m not ready to argue request
                1. +3
                  10 January 2017 21: 15
                  Catmananull

                  If you have nothing to say, keep silent. They say silence is gold.

                  I understand that it can wedge.

                  Due to the fact that the terminology is not clear.

                  Commodity and public goods, different things.

                  Sale and distribution are two different things. Accordingly, money means treasury tickets, too, different things.

                  Therefore wedges.

                  I myself barely figured it out.
                2. Lem
                  0
                  12 January 2017 12: 53
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  mnu broke my brains

                  That nehra tady clever. Fershteyn? You described the existing, tady, economic model. Based on: nationalized land; nationalized property; nationalized loan; PLAN for self-sufficiency; pay for labor; REDISTRIBUTION of the total product for the development of all members of society, and not just for the sake of the elected .......
                  And you can get to the bottom of the pillar ....- separating the state from society.
              2. +5
                10 January 2017 22: 43
                Quote: gladcu2
                in order not to create confusion in the heads, it is necessary to insist on naming
                bathhouse attendants by wash managers ".
                Once I heard ... Police, the police, etc. When Confucius called to start big things with the correction of names, he did not mean this. In the USSR, public property was very small, its role in the economy tended to zero, almost all property was state and personal. After the revolution, it was not socialization, but nationalization of property.
                1. +1
                  11 January 2017 04: 22
                  Stanislas

                  The economic system is characterized not only by public ownership, but by ideology, internal external politics, fundamental science education, etc.
                  But there are qualities that the classics have identified as key.
                  This is the value of the goods, well, belonging to the means of production.
                  I just highlighted one quality so that people begin to think.
                  1. +1
                    11 January 2017 13: 03
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    I just highlighted one quality so that people begin to think
                    Thanks for the recipe, good man! smile This is how confusion is created: pars pro toto, a part instead of a whole is such a method.
                    1. 0
                      11 January 2017 23: 49
                      Stanislas

                      Where you need to start.
                      And it is important to create conditions when a person realizes the need that he must know in order to understand.
                2. 0
                  11 January 2017 11: 32
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  bathhouse attendants by wash managers ".

                  And the janitors - environmental managers! ... good
                  1. 0
                    12 January 2017 14: 04
                    Quote: oborzevatel
                    And the janitors - environmental managers! ...

                    landscape design managers)))
            2. 0
              12 January 2017 17: 06
              totally agree with you
          2. +1
            10 January 2017 19: 13
            Well, if I said so much.

            So I want to add more.

            In modern Russia, the DICTATURE of the bourgeoisie, which is covered by the slogans of DEMOCRACY, has been implemented.

            DICTATURE is the real power of a minority. Gentlemen, as you know, there are not many. The bourgeoisie created an economy-capitalism for itself. The power of the bourgeoisie in extreme form is Fascism.

            SOCIALISM can exercise power and must through DEMOCRACY. Democracy is the power of the majority.

            There can be several forms of socialism.
            Bourgeois socialism.
            State socialism.
            Socialism as a DICTATURE.
            Socialism is democratic.
            1. +1
              13 January 2017 08: 37
              Can you give examples of each type of socialism? And then if there is no implementation, then these are just some ideological models.
        2. +2
          11 January 2017 10: 25
          thank you gladcu2 for a brief excursion into the basics of political economy, which turned out to be quite useful to recall. what
          As for VV, he did not circumvent the situation, he did not seem to lie, and there seems to be no truth in his words. Regarding education request well, so he was put into a managerial position yesterday, it was time
    6. +12
      10 January 2017 14: 12
      The fact that more than half was stolen from the budget in 1,25 billion rubles, that's for sure
      Do you have evidence? You kindly take a calculator and calculate how much it costs one shooting day. And then multiply by 365 and once again multiply by 7 years. Oh, these stealing experts.
      Dirt and lies.
      Where is the lie? For example, according to PVL. Vladimir escaped from Novgorod overseas, where he scored a squad and returned to Russia. But Ragneda refused him, saying that he was the son of a slave. Indicate where lies? Your author has too many common phrases.
      1. +7
        10 January 2017 15: 20
        Quote: Wend
        Where is the lie? For example, according to PVL. Vladimir escaped from Novgorod overseas, where he scored a squad and returned to Russia. But Ragneda refused him, saying that he was the son of a slave. Indicate where lies? Your author has too many common phrases.

        A certain proportion of lies (that is, a specific political order) already exists in the PVL itself, written a century later than the specified events. And there are various translations of it and interpretations of modern historians. Apparently, the scriptwriters chose the version that they liked more, based on their preferences, and, most likely, also fulfilling a certain someone’s political order. If you look at who financed the film, you can roughly understand - whose exactly. I don’t understand another thing - where does Medinsky get to? I did not find any connection with the Ministry of Culture producing this film.
        1. +3
          10 January 2017 15: 29
          Quote: Svetlana
          Quote: Wend
          Where is the lie? For example, according to PVL. Vladimir escaped from Novgorod overseas, where he scored a squad and returned to Russia. But Ragneda refused him, saying that he was the son of a slave. Indicate where lies? Your author has too many common phrases.

          A certain proportion of lies (that is, a specific political order) already exists in the PVL itself, written a century later than the specified events. And there are various translations of it and interpretations of modern historians. Apparently, the scriptwriters chose the version that they liked more, based on their preferences, and, most likely, also fulfilling a certain someone’s political order. If you look at who financed the film, you can roughly understand - whose exactly. I don’t understand another thing - where does Medinsky get to? I did not find any connection with the Ministry of Culture producing this film.

          With this approach, it is possible to smash "Ermak" to smithereens. Screenwriters have the right to choose, there's nothing you can do about it. First you need to read the script and find out the history of the appearance of this script. The author of the article gave out too many emotions, not as confirmed by facts.
        2. 0
          11 January 2017 14: 26
          If there is "a certain amount of lies ... in the PVL itself ...", then blame the PVL
      2. +17
        10 January 2017 15: 27
        Quote: Wend
        And then multiply by 365 and once again multiply by 7 years. Oh, these stealing experts.

        What are seven years old? Filmed a little over a year. Seven years with the idea rushed. Oh, these lawyers ...


        And at the expense of dirt and lies ... When I watch films on historical and fantasy-Slavic themes, I am also always haunted by the thought - dirt and lies. Even taking into account that there was really a lot of dirt in those days, and in Russia there is still a lot, all the same, the "artists" from the cinema remove dirt in every sense. For so they see, apparently.
        1. 0
          10 January 2017 15: 39
          Quote: bot.su
          Quote: Wend
          And then multiply by 365 and once again multiply by 7 years. Oh, these stealing experts.

          What are seven years old? Filmed a little over a year. Seven years with the idea rushed. Oh, these lawyers ...


          And at the expense of dirt and lies ... When I watch films on historical and fantasy-Slavic themes, I am also always haunted by the thought - dirt and lies. Even taking into account that there was really a lot of dirt in those days, and in Russia there is still a lot, all the same, the "artists" from the cinema remove dirt in every sense. For so they see, apparently.

          Well, before the shooting, there was a lot to do, and that’s all the money. And after the shooting, you still need editing, voice acting, special effects, copies, etc. This is all the money. So, in principle, on average you can count for the shooting day. And in order to claim stolen money, you must at least have a budget estimate in your hands, you must agree. And so the author just gave a speech on another topic, he didn’t like the film, so they stole money. You can read about how filmed at least here http://www.ovideo.ru/detail/193229
          1. 0
            10 January 2017 16: 43
            Quote: Wend
            Well, before the shooting, there was a lot to do, and that’s all the money.

            What to do and for what money?
            Quote: Wend
            And after the shooting, you still need editing, voice acting, special effects, copies, etc.

            Year. It took a year to shoot and everything else.

            Quote: Wend
            And in order to claim stolen money, you must at least have a budget estimate in your hands, you must agree.

            I agree. Even more, I fully admit that from the point of view of the Criminal Code there was no theft at all. But the scenery of the fortifications is weak. For such money it was possible to build full-size walls and gates in full size.
            1. +1
              10 January 2017 17: 14
              Quote: bot.su
              Quote: Wend
              Well, before the shooting, there was a lot to do, and that’s all the money.

              What to do and for what money?
              Quote: Wend
              And after the shooting, you still need editing, voice acting, special effects, copies, etc.

              Year. It took a year to shoot and everything else.

              Quote: Wend
              And in order to claim stolen money, you must at least have a budget estimate in your hands, you must agree.

              I agree. Even more, I fully admit that from the point of view of the Criminal Code there was no theft at all. But the scenery of the fortifications is weak. For such money it was possible to build full-size walls and gates in full size.

              Just watch how the movie was made. I gave the link. in the post above. You have no idea what filmmaking is.
              And the answer to everyone who made a screech here. REQUISITE MATERIAL IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE ANOTHER VERY MUCH HISTORICAL MOVIES. AND I THINK WE WILL SEE NOT ONE FILM SOON. AND THEY MAY BE VERY WELCOME.
              1. +17
                10 January 2017 17: 41
                Well, if you think that Vladimir was so inadequate, walked dressed like a homeless person and just as dirty and this is in Russia where they always went to the bathhouse. If you like that the Russian people are exposed as dirty and ignorant, then you are clearly not a Russian person or from white-collar workers. And such a props and for nothing is not needed at the reenactors can be found much better and better.
                I watched the film and haven’t seen such a nonsense yet. I love history and in my free time I devote a lot of time to it.
                1. +1
                  10 January 2017 18: 09
                  The site previously had an article already about this film. There was also a reference to a signature on a petition banning the showing of this film. Either change.org or choise.org, where various petitions are made up.
                  1. jjj
                    +2
                    10 January 2017 23: 30
                    Friends, in those days the vast majority of rural residents had so much silver and gold with them that, in case of danger, they threw everything — cattle, property, a house, and went away to hide. And then on wearable jewelry it was possible to rebuild everything without problems. Ancient Russia was rich. Therefore, the neighbors encroached on it for centuries.
                    According to the film, it gives the point of view of a part of the neo-pagans who are guided by "Western values". Fortunately, many people understand everything about this movie.
                2. +15
                  10 January 2017 23: 19
                  Quote: Hiking
                  If you like that the Russian people are exposed as dirty and ignorant, then you are clearly not a Russian person or from white-collar workers.

                  We always rush from one extreme to another.
                  A simple example.
                  Middle Ages. Stefan Batoriy - the thunderstorm of Europe is going to conquer the boggy Rus ... Reports .... for the Pope - on the NT
                  But the trouble is, the diaries of his scribes remained. They besieged the city of my childhood - Pskov (Pleskava).
                  Diary entry: "Oh God, what a great city! Its lights spread like Paris!"
                  Tell me, have you ever heard that? I’m sure not. Because it is profitable for the Westerners to represent us as cattle, the grimy unwashed Rush!
                  Further. Pskovs answered 10 for every shot of the Poles! Moreover, in order to cast new cores, (attention!) Pskovians removed lead from the roofs of their houses !!!
                  Tell me, where else in the cholera Europe, the townspeople covered the roofs of houses with iron !?
                  But the enlightened UEROPA prefers to keep silent about this ... By the way, as well as the fact that the Normans, the same Vikings, called our homeland GARDORIKA! that is, a country of cities!
                  So which of us was barbarians ???
                3. +2
                  11 January 2017 00: 29
                  Quote: Hiking
                  do you think that Vladimir was so inadequate, walked dressed like a homeless man and just as dirty
                  I warn you that I did not watch the film, but I want to answer on the points: 1. The behavior of any person of those times MUST be perceived by us inadequate. 2. Dressed Vel.kn. Vladimir, according to historians, is really very simple and slept on the floor on a simple mat. 3. Mud in the village and today to the ears is not uncommon, and even then it was definitely, darling; the prince and his retinue were in boots, but on horseback, and the laponniki walked well through the mud, and bast shoes. No need to draw Ancient Russia with wide autobahns and trevolators - moving sidewalks. It pisses me off when in a movie my friends go into the room without taking off their shoes.
                4. +4
                  11 January 2017 08: 58
                  In due time in the USSR + Norway the film "And trees grow on the stones" was shot. Except for one controversial point ... everything is fine. Although the actress has dirt under her nails. Check it out and compare ...
                  1. 0
                    11 January 2017 13: 21
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Watch it and compare ...
                    Thank you, I watched it, and the impressions were the most positive, although I hardly remember the content, rather, at the level of emotional memory. But here I'm actually not talking about the film, but about "riches and rags". smile
                5. 0
                  11 January 2017 11: 13
                  Quote: Hiking
                  Well, if you think that Vladimir was so inadequate, walked dressed like a homeless person and just as dirty and this is in Russia where they always went to the bathhouse. If you like that the Russian people are exposed as dirty and ignorant, then you are clearly not a Russian person or from white-collar workers. And such a props and for nothing is not needed at the reenactors can be found much better and better.
                  I watched the film and haven’t seen such a nonsense yet. I love history and in my free time I devote a lot of time to it.

                  Second, I didn’t discuss the film myself. And about the props, see how the film was made and everything will become clear to you. Have you been camping in the fall for a long time? I went around this year. So it was no less dirty.
                  1. +1
                    11 January 2017 11: 25
                    Quote: Wend
                    Quote: Hiking
                    Well, if you think that Vladimir was so inadequate, walked dressed like a homeless person and just as dirty and this is in Russia where they always went to the bathhouse. If you like that the Russian people are exposed as dirty and ignorant, then you are clearly not a Russian person or from white-collar workers. And such a props and for nothing is not needed at the reenactors can be found much better and better.
                    I watched the film and haven’t seen such a nonsense yet. I love history and in my free time I devote a lot of time to it.

                    Second, I didn’t discuss the film myself. And about the props, see how the film was made and everything will become clear to you. Have you been camping in the fall for a long time? I went around this year. So it was no less dirty.

                    Well, where did the dirt come from in the Middle Ages in Russia? Look "Primordial Rus" - there is no dirt there, clean clothes, polished armor, the people have all their teeth in place. The people are pure and well-fed, women are highly spiritual.
                    All in kokoshniks and live in beautiful huts and iteramas.
                    This is true, but the dirt?
                    Well, where can dirt and a curved stockade come from?
                    1. +1
                      11 January 2017 11: 46
                      Quote: teder
                      [
                      Well, where did the dirt come from in the Middle Ages in Russia? Look "Primordial Rus" - there is no dirt there, clean clothes, polished armor, the people have all their teeth in place. The people are pure and well-fed, women are highly spiritual.
                      All in kokoshniks and live in beautiful huts and iteramas.
                      This is true, but the dirt?
                      Well, where can dirt and a curved stockade come from?

                      Well, the film "Primordial Rus" also has enough dirt. Remember how Ratibor resorts from the patrol. And remember the chastokol in the film "Primordial Rus", as a child I was indignant at such construction. And in the film "The Legend of Princess Olga" in general, the log cabin of the house is painted on the fabric. By the way, my teacher at the University of the Middle Ages called this film an ugly lie. Are you not annoyed by the dirt in Mel Gibson's "Braveheart"? Or the dirt in Dhaka? Look at "Yaroslav the Wise", there is shown at the beginning a peasant, who is also not very clean.
                      In general, I enjoy watching the 20 century with great pleasure, except for the pseudo-historical production of the USA. You understand the director saw so. Houses in Russia had an earthen floor and sometimes drowned in black.
                  2. 0
                    14 January 2017 19: 14
                    Quote: Wend
                    Have you been camping in the fall for a long time? I went around this year. So it was no less dirty.

                    What does the trip have to do with it? The action takes place in the CAPITALS of the principalities !!!
              2. +1
                11 January 2017 11: 01
                Quote: Wend
                Just watch how the movie was made.

                Yes, I watched how the movie was made. Especially annoying, so much work of good people has been expended, and the output is so controversial that many people have already mixed it with shit. This means that the idea was wrong, the preparation for the rental was weak, limited to advertising the action component of the film. They did not take into account that the film about one of the defining pages of the history of far from the American people ...
                1. +1
                  11 January 2017 11: 23
                  Quote: bot.su
                  Quote: Wend
                  Just watch how the movie was made.

                  Yes, I watched how the movie was made. Especially annoying, so much work of good people has been expended, and the output is so controversial that many people have already mixed it with shit. This means that the idea was wrong, the preparation for the rental was weak, limited to advertising the action component of the film. They did not take into account that the film about one of the defining pages of the history of far from the American people ...

                  I agree. I won’t talk about the film itself, because I didn’t watch it. If you noticed I’m not discussing the film, but discuss what is around the film. I can say one hundred percent that I will have a lot of complaints about the film. I have already formed them by only one name and trailer. I would call the film either Vladimir or Varyag, but not like a Viking.
            2. 0
              11 January 2017 14: 31
              Have you made at least one film yourself? Well, if not removed, participated in the production? We designed the scenery, built it ... If not, if you didn’t participate in film production and film distribution, what can you judge at all? I like the film - well, I DO NOT like it - they also said that you have an inalienable right, but revenge with the tongue about "stolen money" and "could" is somehow completely childish :-)
              1. +5
                11 January 2017 16: 12
                Quote: av58
                Have you made at least one movie yourself?

                I hate this pseudoargumentation and * creatures *speculating on it.

                If you believe it, you can’t criticize anything, except that you yourself do better with your own hands - but who will buy someone else’s if you do better yourself? lol

                But in fact, if the product is produced for general consumption, then ANY consumer RIGHT to judge him.
                Exclusively in accordance with their needs and ideas, without going into the kitchen of production.

                If the pie stinks of rotten meat - this can be understood without being a baker.
                If the driver twitches on each meter, knocking down people in the cabin - he was not given the right to law.
                If a musician does not constantly fall into notes, this is noticeable even without conservative preparation.

                If the film is UG, then it is UG.
                And for this conclusion, the viewer does not need to deserve 12 Oscars himself.
                How do you understand the reception?
              2. +2
                11 January 2017 18: 27
                Quote: av58
                Have you made at least one film yourself? Well, if not removed, participated in the production? We designed the scenery, built it ... If not, if you didn’t participate in film production and film distribution, what can you judge at all? I like the film - well, I DO NOT like it - they also said that you have an inalienable right, but revenge with the tongue about "stolen money" and "could" is somehow completely childish :-)

                If this question is for me, then yes I participated. However, this phrase is provocative. murriou already voiced everything.
              3. +3
                11 January 2017 23: 22
                Quote: av58
                If not, if you did not participate in film production and film distribution, then what can you judge about?

                No, I did not participate. But he participated in another production and the estimate does not scare me. It won't take a long time to figure it out. But just who will allow me to that estimate? laughing
              4. +1
                14 January 2017 19: 19
                This is called "Otmaza Uwe Bola"))) Like: "Who are you to criticize my shit? You did yours ???"
      3. +1
        11 January 2017 11: 45
        Quote: Wend
        Where is the lie? For example, according to PVL. Vladimir escaped from Novgorod overseas, where he scored a squad and returned to Russia. But Ragneda refused him, saying that he was the son of a slave. Indicate where lies?

        That's where the lies are.
        In the film, after Ragneda refused him, saying that he was the son of a slave, Vladimir immediately attacked Polotsk. Am I confusing anything?
        EMNIP, on PVL:
        Vladimir came to get married with Ragned (or Rogned, I don’t know how to do it right) in Polotsk.
        She refused him, mentioning about the son of a slave and taking off her boots.
        Only after this Vladimir came with the army, attacked Polotsk, captured him, forced Ragned, settled her ancestors, made the girl herself his wife.
        1. 0
          11 January 2017 11: 55
          Quote: oborzevatel
          Quote: Wend
          Where is the lie? For example, according to PVL. Vladimir escaped from Novgorod overseas, where he scored a squad and returned to Russia. But Ragneda refused him, saying that he was the son of a slave. Indicate where lies?

          That's where the lies are.
          In the film, after Ragneda refused him, saying that he was the son of a slave, Vladimir immediately attacked Polotsk. Am I confusing anything?
          EMNIP, on PVL:
          Vladimir came to get married with Ragned (or Rogned, I don’t know how to do it right) in Polotsk.
          She refused him, mentioning about the son of a slave and taking off her boots.
          Only after this Vladimir came with the army, attacked Polotsk, captured him, forced Ragned, settled her ancestors, made the girl herself his wife.

          You cling to the scriptwriter's concept, in general, the event Vladimir wooed, he was refused, seized the city and raped Ragneda. And remember the helmets of the crusaders in the legendary film "Alexander Nevsky". These buckets will not erase the film from the great legacy of Soviet cinema. It's hard to argue with the director's interpretation. So he saw it.
  2. +40
    10 January 2017 06: 11
    I confess I have not watched the film .. But I am under the impression of the New Year .. Tone of these "blue lights" .. that's the exact name. Where Ernst and the Pugachikha husbands just made the whole of Russia .. Well, I don’t like the movie, don’t go .. But this filth from the screen somewhere, well, do not turn on the TV ... or maybe you don't live ... we will live - Ernst, Medina, Pugachev ...
    1. TNT
      +16
      10 January 2017 07: 01
      Quote: 210ox
      I admit I didn’t watch the film.

      1. Mwg
        +47
        10 January 2017 07: 59
        Dear Trinitrotoluene, in your opinion, if the story of Moses walking with the people of 40 years in the desert were interpreted in the film as sheep walking, would you condemn this film without watching it? I would definitely condemn, since it’s worthless to spit on the history of the people and no matter how, such derogations are derogatory.
        1. +15
          10 January 2017 08: 14
          Quote: MVG
          Would you blame this movie without watching it?

          Perhaps you did not pay attention, but the "respected" TNT in the message below (albeit already deleted) himself writes that he is a Viking film did not watch .
          But at the same time, he is trying to ironic over this issue over 210quas which he criticizes not for the film (which he also did not watch), but for the New Year's television program (which he was just watching).
          So you vainly throw beads before him. With the same success, you can start to give lectures on morality before Chikatilo.
          1. 0
            10 January 2017 16: 40
            Quote: Odyssey
            Perhaps you did not pay attention, but the "respected" TNT in the message below (albeit already deleted) himself writes that he did not watch the Viking movie.
            But at the same time, he is trying to ironic over this issue over 210quas which he criticizes not for the film (which he also did not watch), but for the New Year's television program (which he was just watching).

            You know ... if you see a bunch of foul-smelling substance and it’s not far gone by sight ... to determine what it is ... by your logic, you have to taste it? Well ... try ... and don’t kick those who don’t want to try :)
      2. +2
        10 January 2017 08: 53
        He was not condemning the film. Read the comments carefully. Or change the glasses. Something they are judging by the photo is rather weak. Thicker need
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      5. +8
        10 January 2017 09: 56
        Did you read my comment? Or simply expressed their "phi"
        Quote: TNT
        Quote: 210ox
        I admit I didn’t watch the film.

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        1. +1
          10 January 2017 14: 00
          Quote: bocsman
          And then the Vikings and the history of Russia?


          Rorik Jutland
          In Russia, the Vikings called the natives of Scandinavia - the Vikings and their Russified descendants
          Forefathers in general
          1. +9
            10 January 2017 14: 27
            Quote: Maki Avellevich
            Quote: bocsman
            And then the Vikings and the history of Russia?


            Rorik Jutland
            In Russia, the Vikings called the natives of Scandinavia - the Vikings and their Russified descendants
            Forefathers in general

            Yeah, these are all Norman fantasies.
          2. +7
            10 January 2017 15: 38
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            Rorik Jutland

            Having nothing to do with Russia, even if the Western Slavic ancestors were common.
          3. +1
            13 January 2017 08: 53
            In the same PVL it is said that the Varangians who were called were called Rus, like some other Nurmans (Norwegians), other Svei (Swedes), some other Danes (Latvians) and these. Thus, in Russia the Varangians were a kind of people different from the Norwegians, Swedes and Danes, collectively referred to as the Scandinavians. And if we take the Ioakimov’s chronicle to help, which by time of writing is 70 years closer to calling the Varangians in comparison with the PVL, it turns out that Gostomysl, who put many years of his life and two sons to liberate Novgorod from the Scandinavians who temporarily captured him, calls on the Novgorodians call them to the board. This is about how to believe. that at the death of Dmitry Donskoy ordered the boyars to send ambassadors to Tokhtamysh - to call for reigning to Moscow one of his sons.
            Actually, this alone can end up with the Normanist theory. Messengers were not sent to the Normans, but to the same Slavs, only of a different tribe. And the translation is incorrect - "our land is great and abundant, there is no ORDER (no order!) In it. Attire then - this is a military force, a squad. If in later terms. It was in this capacity that the Vikings were called.
          4. 0
            14 January 2017 19: 25
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            In Russia, the Vikings called the natives of Scandinavia - the Vikings and their Russified descendants
            Forefathers in general

            Who defined this?
        2. +5
          10 January 2017 16: 02
          Quote: bocsman
          And then the Vikings and the history of Russia? Pirates and bandits of all stripes deserving perhaps contempt, are made in the name of the film!

          This is an international concept of all stripes, the Slavs were there too, but in Eastern Russia they were called Varangians. If Rurik, for example, could also be called a Viking and a Varangian, then Vladimir (according to the official history of the great-grandson of Rurik) agrees that he can’t be considered a Vikings in any way; he didn’t hunt by sea voyages.
          1. +3
            13 January 2017 09: 02
            This delusional idea of ​​the Scandinavian origin of Russian statehood is akin to another delusional idea - the Norman conquest of England in 1066. This is argued on the grounds that William was the bastard of the Duke of Normandy, and the Dukes of Normandy were descendants of the free Norman Jarl Rollo (Rollon in the French chronicles), who forced the King Charles the Simple of France to cede the territory of Normandy. It's true about Carl and Rollo. But by 1066, the Normans had already completely assimilated, they even spoke French, which became the official state language after the conquest. And so far, about 70% of the lexical composition of the English language is of French origin, only with English endings. But according to the logic of the supporters of the "Norman conquest", the conquerors had to introduce the language Norwegian or one of the Scandinavian ones. This is how these would-be explorers mistakenly equate Normans and Normans. so we put such a sign between the Vikings and the Vikings. It does not fit in the heads that the Vikings were not a people. Just as the pirates of the Coastal Brotherhood were not a people. Therefore, no Prince Vladimir is a Viking and not even a descendant of the Vikings. Therefore, the title of the film does not correlate with the content. Well, it's time to end. you already understand everything, and whoever does not understand, write more and more. can't explain.
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      8. +2
        10 January 2017 23: 07
        TNTIs this your fota guy with glasses? After all, 210okv does not condemn the film that did not watch, maybe you did not read his comment carefully, then why answer?
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      1. +9
        10 January 2017 13: 10
        Quote: Odyssey
        As for the film, the standard Russophobian der..mo. Moreover, filmed for state money and actively advertised on the first state channel of the country.

        This is a common element of a hybrid war against us, such as the construction of the Yeltsin Center.

        I try to deprive the enemy of some advantages in this war, and our family simply refused to watch television channels, there was much less garbage in my head, which I recommend to you all good
        1. 0
          14 January 2017 20: 57
          Quote: vezdehodov
          and our family simply refused to watch TV channels, there was much less garbage in my head, which I recommend to you all

          Half measures! It is necessary as the Lykovs - in the taiga, away from the devilish civilization !!!
      2. 0
        10 January 2017 21: 02
        Quote: Odyssey
        The deputy head of the Ministry of Communications Alexey Volin told RT that the department has no complaints about the quality of the New Year’s television broadcast.
        “No preventive measures are planned. Russia has the best television in the world, and those who do not like its New Year’s content may not watch it, ”said Volin.
        New Year's broadcast of the central channels was actively discussed on social networks - viewers expressed their indignation at the New Year broadcasts. Later, petitions appeared on the network demanding to review their content "
        I think the comments here are superfluous ...

        And what, the people want a return to the USSR, how does this Spark differ from the Sparks of the 80s?
        1. 0
          10 January 2017 23: 39
          Quote: teder
          How is this Light different from the 80s Lights?
          This one did not look, but I suppose that he is different in something, and I suspect that he is different for the worse. smile
    3. cap
      +33
      10 January 2017 07: 12
      Quote: 210ox
      I confess I have not watched the film .. But I am under the impression of the New Year .. Tone of these "blue lights" .. that's the exact name. Where Ernst and the Pugachikha husbands just made the whole of Russia .. Well, I don’t like the movie, don’t go .. But this filth from the screen somewhere, well, do not turn on the TV ... or maybe you don't live ... we will live - Ernst, Medina, Pugachev ...


      For the first time in my entire conscious life, I did not watch TV on New Year's, well, except for the congratulations of the president. Seriousness from all channels, and even heartburn from characters from year to year, indelible by nothing and nobody.
      1. +3
        10 January 2017 12: 37
        Quote: cap
        The first time in my entire conscious life, I did not watch TV on New Year

        "Well, here .... finally!" I haven't watched TV myself for 6 years. If opinions are born in the head, then they are clearly personal, without the dictates of a "zombie". I judge the results by the reaction to my notes in the discussions. The range is wide - from overt aggressive disapproval to misunderstanding. The truth is born in an experiment - try not to turn on the TV for at least a couple of weeks.
        1. 0
          14 January 2017 21: 03
          Quote: cunning
          If opinions are born in the head, then they are clearly personal, without the dictatorship of a "zombie".

          And how does the diktat of a zomboyaschik differ from the diktat of a scrubber? Or do you, in general, do not get information from anywhere? Then on the basis of what your "personal" opinion is born. And how can there be many opinions? Do you have a split personality?
          1. +1
            18 January 2017 08: 13
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            And how can there be many opinions? Do you have a stratification of personality?

            I explain it for "whole individuals" - in military practice, intelligence especially, "Reliable" is information obtained from three different sources and corresponding to the current situation. Panime?
    4. 0
      10 January 2017 14: 54
      Quote: 210ox
      I confess I have not watched the film .. But I am under the impression of the New Year .. Tone of these "blue lights" .. that's the exact name. Where Ernst and the Pugachikha husbands just made the whole of Russia .. Well, I don’t like the movie, don’t go .. But this filth from the screen somewhere, well, do not turn on the TV ... or maybe you don't live ... we will live - Ernst, Medina, Pugachev ...
  3. +14
    10 January 2017 06: 24
    Our president, diplomat, of course, God forbid. So get out of a rather fig situation - this must be able to. Our can.

    He and TV and cinema are 16 years old in the mud,
    and it’s still clear what, but he is dodging everything. stop
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      1. +17
        10 January 2017 10: 24
        To shoot films Vova Nikton asks ... God forbid. But what the hell are we all sorts of Nikita Ernstovich Medynsky under the state budget hang around and cut the cabbage out of the blue. This is a question for him and a serious question if he is such a fighter against corruption as PR. So why are they still at the feeding trough, and is he forced to dodge? Or did you still have to dodge because he had been tied to them for a long time?
        Excuse me, but if the film was shot on budget money, you can certainly dodge it so that at least part of the dough is returned to the treasury, but after that they all resigned at least if they were stolen. And we can only send to the apiary. And then conditionally.
        1. +12
          10 January 2017 13: 43
          This Zionist rabble framed Putin's trump card, and even spat in his face!
          I’m not going to look at this dirty trick even on an Internet, and so there is one Russophobian abomination all around. And the slippery and smelly insignificance of the Medina flesh from the flesh is an Edrosovec, one can say one of the main creatures that determine the face of this anti-people liberoid-kpsss thieves' gang, inexorably pulling Russia into the abyss.
          There are no more censorship words to discuss this lying rubbish.
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    6. +13
      10 January 2017 10: 01
      Quote: populist
      He, and TV, and cinema 16 years in the mud

      fool fool fool And when Alkasha was uuuuu good Oh, yes, Putin must make films and release TVs, and not take up the duties of the president. belay Burn, just change the nickname, what the fuck you populist.
      1. +10
        10 January 2017 13: 57
        Then let him not squint at “correct” and not show his imaginary “care” and zeal for ordinary people, for the people ... Otherwise, it all looks very disgusting when Putin says one thing, but in fact it turns out quite the opposite.
        Either he will put things in order in his marginal anti-people government, or he will not fool people with his cunning antics "both yours and ours", losing the rating due to such setups. And about the frames with the laws of the edrosovsky kagal, which he has to block and send for revision, I generally keep silent.
        It seems to everyone that the leader is good, but not cowardly ...
  4. +7
    10 January 2017 07: 01
    I didn’t understand, but why, didn’t the novel like the movie? what
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  5. cap
    +14
    10 January 2017 07: 02
    Who benefits from singing an old Russian barbarians song again? Who benefits from showing our history in such an unsightly way?
    Yes, we know who. We know.


    Yes, we know, we know. They don't know what we know. It's not the first time I've read about this film, in the same colors as the author's. What to do the next cut, there is nothing to add. Once again, our Motherland, for our own money. They write that the billion has already been recaptured, it remains to receive a film award from ourselves. It remains to buy an article in the West, and voila, the masterpiece is ready. Well, let alone schoolchildren within the "curriculum" to bring together, this is already a step in history. It's all cheap and disgusting. Sorry, there were no other words. hi
  6. +15
    10 January 2017 07: 06
    Russian culture and cinema need Russia's sovereignty - which unfortunately has not yet been achieved

    Until now, the Benediktovs and the Echo of Moscow, the Pozners and the Sobchaks run on Russian TV and radio. your whole "cultural" stratum with the Akhedzhakovs, and so on - and the talk show leads and plays the role of a patriot Soloviev, and so on and so forth

    I am sure that if Russia integrates into the Eurasian Union and can become more independent from the West and the "rulers" then the Chubais watching will leave and new people will appear on TV and Cinema Ivanovs Sidorovs, etc. instead of Solovyovs Pozners, etc.
    1. +1
      10 January 2017 07: 35
      Quote: Talgat
      I am sure that if Russia integrates into the Eurasian Union ...

      What is it like? Does it exist, this Eurasian Union? And if Russia should "integrate" into it, then who will create it?
      1. +3
        10 January 2017 16: 13
        Quote: Homo
        Quote: Talgat
        I am sure that if Russia integrates into the Eurasian Union ...

        What is it like? Does it exist, this Eurasian Union? And if Russia should "integrate" into it, then who will create it?
        There is already.
        Member States:
        (in chronological order of entry)
        Belarus (from January 1 to 2015 of the year).
        Kazakhstan (from January 1 to 2015 of the year).
        Russia (from the 1 of January to the 2015 of the year).
        Armenia (from 2 of January to 2015 of the year).
        Kyrgyzstan (from 12 August 2015 years).
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      1. +4
        10 January 2017 14: 08
        Where did you get that you drove?
        Take a look at the syudy: https://ava.md/2017/01/04/reyting-100-samyh-popul
        yarnyh-pol-zovateley /
        All these nits, with the exception of 3-4 people, and the "amazing" majority of Jews in the shit rating does not talk about anything?
        There’s an adult war going on, and the scum from the list seems to be on horseback!
        1. +1
          10 January 2017 16: 34
          All these nits, with the exception of 3-4 people

          Actually, this is a list of online bloggers, some are popular among the online community, but nothing more. Saakashvilli caused some surprise, why would he be in demand, but rather, this can be attributed to the scandalous politician. Well, in general, yes, you surprised me, there are people about whom I forgot for a long time. Shatz, Tolstaya, Romanova .... Someone else is reading them. Wow.
    3. +8
      11 January 2017 15: 13
      Talgat Yesterday, 07:06
      Russian culture and cinema need Russia's sovereignty - which unfortunately has not yet been achieved

      Until now, the Benediktovs and the Echo of Moscow, the Pozners and the Sobchaks run on Russian TV and radio. all this "cultural" stratum of yours with the Akhedzhakovs and so on - and the talk show is conducted and played by the patriot Soloviev, and so on. etc.


      Welcome all!
      You are completely right dear "Talgat"!
      Which may to be "sovereign" in a country where everything good from socialism is "vulgarizedabout the totalitarian past and the GULAG according to Solzhenitsyn ", where the words "PRIVATIZATION and COUNTRY DISTRIBUTION, PRODUCTION since the 90s "replaced but the term "OPTIMALIZATION 2010s ", and that only a small number of citizens of the country and thank God that the majority of members of the forum understand that both of these slogans of the 90s and 2010s, alas, it is ONE AND SAME !!!
      The last 30 year period of this war for the minds, dreams and desires of youth and all citizens of the USSR / CIS has been going WITHOUT A BREATHING since 1985, when the "OSCE * HAVING ALL THE SOVIET PAST" began, distorting the history of the USSR, devastating and educational articles in the magazine "Ogonyok", ending with the elevation of Solzhenitsyn with his "GULAG Archipelago" to the rank of the Soviet people, which are now continue "Yeltsin's centorm" and the grievances of the widow of EN Naina Batkovna on the truthful, negative attitude of the common people towards the personality of the EBN.
      I personally remember well how in Ukraine immediately in 1992. HISTORY textbooks began to REGISTER and immediately "Ukrainian Diocese of the Orthodox Church of the Moscow Diocese", suddenly began to IMMEDIATELY be called "Ukrainian AUTOCEPHALOUS Orthodox Church", where the word "autocephalous" means "INDEPENDENT" (from the Moscow Patriarchate).

      And this movie "Viking", like many similar "MASTERPIECES OF FILM" before him and how many more similar ones will be filmed LATERperform their IDEOLOGICAL ROLE in FORGOTTEN the History of Rus and Slavs, where the West needs to justify its many-hundred-year-old WAR with Russia, as the CARRYING OF THE LEADING CIVILIZATION (according to the Jewish concepts) West proud and invincible RUSICH, successfully defending their extensive land ...
      Alas, nothing new from "before Christ times and after the Nativity of Christ "DOES NOT APPEAR in Europe, we see all the same "Campaigns of the Crusaders", who, under the guise of fighting for the Christian faith, rob and destroy independent Gentiles.
      Only in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries is it now called CARRYING DEMOCRACY and "FIGHT against communism and totalitarianism"well now since the 2010s _ CONFRONTING against "Putin's oligarchic dictatorship", when it turned out that Russia is just a "regional power with nuclear weapons" (as defined by US President Obama).

      Although sometimes personally to myself, century-old permanent confrontation of the "progressive West" with the United States on the brow и "original, dirty and without manners of RUSSIA" with Putin on his brow, EVERYTHING MAY SEE MORE only a skillfully PRESENTED expensive PRESENTATION of "true world rulers" from among God's chosen Jewish race, like this my opinion did not hinder the spiritual mood of the true patriots of Russianot to mention the cheers-patriots ...
      After all, "periodically increasing" the anger of the masses as in Russia and the USA / West, you need to direct somewhere, and most importantly, TO ANY SIDE and "to the external enemy", The main thing is that the people’s anger would NOT APPEAL to the HIGH MANAGEMENT of their own countries!
      1. +3
        11 January 2017 15: 24
        Personally, I myself have NOT WATCHED "this masterpiece movie" and I have no desire to see it!
        I had enough annoying advertising on all channels before the New Year.
        Once again, I wish you all good luck in the new 2017!
    4. 0
      14 January 2017 21: 17
      Quote: Talgat
      Russian culture and cinema need Russia's sovereignty

      And what about this in Kazakhstan?
      1. 0
        18 January 2017 16: 25
        In general, Kazakhstan repeats Russia in many respects - that is what we have. We have a very similar mentality of people from centuries living together, and the nat composition and vast territories and climate, etc.
        T e is still almost - well, maybe a little less than nightingale and more Kazakhs on TV and the mass media

        But still, the effect is zero - many people watch Russian TV - and there Soloviev’s goyzman pozner is still present in many
  7. +12
    10 January 2017 07: 11
    It is necessary so not to respect your people, your country.
    PS "Take away the history of the people, after a generation it will turn into a crowd ..." P.Y. Goebbels.
    PP.S "Nestor the Chronicler" is not by chance a co-author?
    1. Mwg
      +3
      10 January 2017 07: 43
      "Nestor the Chronicler" - no. And the filmmakers are a big question ...
    2. +2
      10 January 2017 11: 34
      Nestor is the author of the script source.
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    1. +9
      10 January 2017 11: 42
      I don’t know how reliable: Nikita Mikhalkov’s films brought Russia losses of almost 10 billion rubles
      6652303 [1]

      In total, Nikita Mikhalkov’s films brought Russia losses of almost 10 billion rubles, at current prices. This is written by Russian blogger Pavel Loskutov.

      “The Star Wars movie raised $ 238 million in the United States for the first weekend.
      For comparison, films made, by the way, at the expense of taxpayers, that is, at the expense of you and me, the “great” director, Oscar-winner and besogon Mikhalkov:
      1. Sunstroke (2014) - spent $ 21 million, raised $ 1,6 million at the box office.
      2. The Siberian barber (1998) - $ 35 million, raised $ 2,6 million at the box office.
      3. Burnt by the Sun 2: Anticipation (2010) - $ 40 million, raised $ 7,5 million at the box office.
      4. Burnt by the Sun 2: The Citadel (2011) - $ 45 million, collected $ 1,5 million at the box office.
      Taking advantage of his official position and close relations with the authorities, Mikhalkov receives generous funding, takes off his “masterpieces”, which not only have no artistic value, but also bring huge losses to the state.
      Question: why does the state invest such huge funds in obviously unprofitable projects? ”- asks the question.
      1. +2
        10 January 2017 12: 36
        So they are not unprofitable in the spiritual sense.))) What you need to submit is what these films serve.
      2. +5
        10 January 2017 14: 15
        Quote: igor67
        Question: why does the state invest such huge funds in obviously unprofitable projects? ”- asks the question.

        It is better to address this question to our President and, allegedly, his kagal, even more. Let them answer!
      3. +1
        10 January 2017 18: 54
        Quote: igor67
        2. The Siberian barber (1998) - $ 35 million, raised $ 2,6 million at the box office.

        And on the market, cassettes went off with a bang! Believe me the namesake, I personally controlled the sales. wink
        1. +2
          10 January 2017 19: 40
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: igor67
          2. The Siberian barber (1998) - $ 35 million, raised $ 2,6 million at the box office.

          And on the market, cassettes went off with a bang! Believe me the namesake, I personally controlled the sales. wink

          I believe the namesake, so I didn’t understand whether or not to see this masterpiece, tired of the sun, I watched until the moment where the dying tankman, who obviously didn’t try to get in size, asked to show the tits
          1. +6
            10 January 2017 20: 38
            I wanted to take a look, now I doubt it. Vladimir "Red Solnyshko" - (I'm used to thinking logically) how can you evaluate a man who killed two brothers and spread a new faith with the help of a foreign squad? Therefore, I am obviously skeptical of the film.
            In general, I am an opponent of the Normanists, I do not believe that such a territory was controlled by the "wild tribes of the Slavs." The Scandinavians, even before the baptism of Russia, called it Gardarika - the country of cities. Norman theory benefits the west. hi
            1. +1
              10 January 2017 21: 15
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              b. Vladimir "Red Sun" - (I'm used to thinking logically) how can you evaluate a person who killed two brothers? Therefore, I am obviously skeptical of the film.

              And he did not kill 2 brothers? request
            2. +3
              11 January 2017 05: 52
              Do not hesitate, personally I was unpleasantly surprised by the image of the prince, a sort of young romantic idealist suffering from Toloyevism. But here the "creators" had to swim in the mainstream of the media, because: 1. The current symbol of Russian cinema cannot play villains, and the prince was just that, circumstances and nature dictated; 2. The head of state with the name Vladimir cannot be a villain, unnecessary analogies suggest themselves.
            3. 0
              11 January 2017 14: 36
              "Gardarika" is not a country of cities, but of FENCES, "fenced off", do you understand? :-) It was necessary to study better.
              1. +5
                11 January 2017 16: 18
                Quote: av58
                "Gardarika" is a country not of cities, but of FENCES, "fenced off"

                Oh, wise guy was found. A historical education in a culinary college received, or what?

                Are you not aware of the origin and meaning of the word "CITY"?
                Don't you know that the words "city" and "fence" are the same root?
                And why is this so?

                Take an interest in some dictionary, and then climb into the conversation of knowledgeable people, can I?
                And think about the fact that no one will simply enclose an empty space.
          2. +1
            10 January 2017 21: 45
            Come on, my grandfather 2 meters tall, he skated the whole war on thirty-fours.
            As they say the military commissar orders not so heated.
            And boobs are yes, boobs are powerful. Well, let’s not sharpen the secret gentleman wink
  9. +10
    10 January 2017 07: 22
    On January 6, the film sucks completely nothing to remember, indeed one dirt. The name of the movie Viking is taken generally from the ceiling.
    And also spent on 1.000.250.000 rubles !!!!!
    . So it’s generally prohibitive
    So let such a cinema really die in convulsions and does not drain the state budget.
    1. +5
      10 January 2017 11: 06
      Quote: axay032

      And also spent on 1.000.250.000 rubles !!!!!

      It's even worse - a quarter more. RUB 1'250'000'000
    2. +3
      10 January 2017 17: 16
      So let such a cinema really die in convulsions and does not drain the state budget.

      Apparently the film will be beaten off and much. So what about the budget - by.
      1. +1
        10 January 2017 17: 39
        Is not a fact. For a real "bounce" sums are needed significantly exceeding those that were spent on production.
        1. +1
          10 January 2017 21: 51
          Maybe yes, maybe no, we'll see. Amounts of amusement in greens are approximately 21, the master clearly does not want to change his habits.
  10. +3
    10 January 2017 07: 22
    Of course, everyone can offend the artist. But, as the same VVP said, "and who told you that you are an artist"? (True, there was a speech about writers).
    And why be surprised? The surname "Kravchuk" is also alarming. Is it not a brother?
  11. 0
    10 January 2017 07: 28
    somewhat similar to "mad Max"
    1. +2
      10 January 2017 21: 55
      Come on ... in MadMax is TUPO action, and here is TUPO ... just TUPO laughing
  12. Mwg
    +27
    10 January 2017 07: 28
    I also watched it ... There is a film called "Fantozzi against all", and there is a phrase: "for 250 lire on the platform Fantozzi bought a plastic fork, a plastic knife, a chicken wing - also" plastic "and an apple - wormy". These are the analogies I got after watching the film, and after I came home and read about the film, I became firmly established in my analogy. 000 billion rubles !!!! Fiction!!! For budget money, the history of Russia was shown to the Russians as the history of wild orcs: instead of buildings - sheds, mud with dung, gray and dull rags, silly faces, senseless and unmotivated actions, bloodthirsty servants of the shaman cult (deaf and dumb !!!! with a sign language interpreter, all bald !!). Where are the Magi? Where are the huts and baths? I don’t even ask about the princely mansions.
    Is this such an artistic image? And who, excuse me, created such an image and what considerations were guided by when creating it? And this despite the fact that the film has two consultants - a historian. What kind of historians are they?
    If I write everything that I think about the creators of this film, I will go far beyond any decency.
    Bad movie. On all sides is bad.
    1. +6
      10 January 2017 08: 53
      Quote: MVG
      Where are the wise men? Where are the huts and baths? I don’t ask about princely mansions.

      Nooo, what are you, right now they will start throwing stones with screams "Oh, you are such a Norman holy officer. You don't read history for Russian barbarians, you have it on the neck")))
      1. +3
        10 January 2017 14: 21
        Lying on a lie and driving a lie.
        In reality, everything was the other way around - they had to "cultivate" wild and uneducated aliens from the West, and they also taught how to wash, not to mention how to build and ride horses ...
      2. +2
        10 January 2017 15: 57
        Perhaps I will surprise you, but that same Normanist theory does not just not talk about the Slavs of those times as animals, but even on the contrary says that the Normans who came in at their level of development were at about the same stage. Compared with Byzantium, the Slavs of that time were certainly barbarians, but there is nothing wrong with that ... for us as descendants. After all, the very barbarians, our ancestors, attacked the highly developed Byzantium quite successfully. And we don’t even have to talk about how many such barbarians we had together, consider all of Europe.

        So, considering that the Norman theory speaks about the animal Slavs living in the mud, you show that you don't even know what kind of theory it is. So, perhaps somewhere read in the "creative retelling".
        1. Mwg
          0
          11 January 2017 19: 04
          Not a Norman theory, but a film made on the basis of this theory in the freest "artistic" interpretation. And this, as they say, is two big differences.
      3. +1
        10 January 2017 22: 00
        EEE, so, according to Normanist history, Vladimir was just a Viking descendant of the Viking Rurik, and the wise men of kakbe from the same opera worshiped the gods who were the same with the Vikings.
        So the wind is by no means blowing from the Normanists here by the ignorant part of the Russian Orthodox Church. Before the baptism, it was like a stable! Or not? Or so only the Vikings lived? Or didn’t they live? drinks
    2. 0
      10 January 2017 12: 05
      Quote: MVG
      bloodthirsty ministers of the shamanistic cult (deaf-mute !!!! with an sign language interpreter, all bald !!). Where are the wise men?

      Magi are the bloodthirsty ministers of the shamanistic cult. If I share all your other indignations, then I don’t understand the lamentations about the Magi. Pagan cults fell away with the growth of society, material and followed spiritual. Just as religion will disappear with time.
      1. +6
        10 January 2017 16: 39
        Quote: bot.su
        Pagan cults fell away with the growth of society, material and after it spiritual. Just as religion will disappear with time.

        They have not fallen away, but survived in our people until now! And it’s not cults, but the praise of God, and not pagan, but Orthodox! Although Christian, the Orthodox principle was preserved in them. And the growth of the spiritual component of society is not at all following the material, but contrary to it! Where did you get such a crazy conclusion about the Russian Magi? They were the bearers and custodians of the knowledge and culture of our ancestors, why on earth are they bloodthirsty? Have you understood at least what you wrote here?
        1. 0
          10 January 2017 16: 53
          Quote: Svetlana
          Where did you get such a crazy conclusion about the Russian Magi? They were the bearers and custodians of the knowledge and culture of our ancestors, why on earth are they bloodthirsty?

          And where do you draw your delusional conclusions? What culture and what knowledge?
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      2. +2
        10 January 2017 22: 16
        I applaud atske standing! Materialism in the presentation of the student ottsenko five!
        Despite the wild growth in the material well-being of Saudi Arabia, Arabs still climb out of their Ferraris once a year to sacrifice a live ram, bought at the price of a "fret grant". Where is the connection between the spiritual and the material?
        Or do you think Muslims are "bloodthirsty servants of the shaman cult"?
        Who can now give a 100% guarantee of their knowledge of the history of Russia 10-12vv? Especially religious cults, archeology does not give exact answers to this question. Written sources? So Medinsky is just a child amid chroniclers of the past.
        1. +1
          11 January 2017 11: 38
          Quote: rasteer
          Despite the wild growth in the material well-being of Saudi Arabia, Arabs still climb out of their Ferraris once a year to sacrifice a live ram, bought at the price of a "fret grant". Where is the connection between the spiritual and the material?

          The connection is direct, only the hellish De Bill will not see it. They have money and they can afford to endlessly support the elderly, disabled children, the mentally ill and other non-income members of society. Of whom, with the onset of difficult times, they would certainly have been sacrificed. And now they can afford to sacrifice a ram. And this applies not only to Muslims, but also to Christians.
          Quote: rasteer
          Who can now give a 100% guarantee of their knowledge of the history of Russia 10-12vv? Especially religious cults, archeology does not give exact answers to this question.

          Yes, no one. But pagan cults survived to this day. And even human sacrifices. And if the forms of manifestation are different, then the logic is unlikely to have changed.
          1. +2
            11 January 2017 13: 39
            Quote: bot.su
            Of whom, with the onset of difficult times, they would certainly have been sacrificed.

            Hmm and also a nerd laughing To sacrifice old people and disabled people is to offend God according to the principle "God take what is not good for us", children and wherever it went, fresh blood, "flowers of life" gods, they also love flowers, but all the nations still had the most delicious sacrifice a young, full-fledged member of society, be it a girl or a warrior, in principle, a strong slave channel, and best of all a captured warrior who distinguished himself in battle. And in difficult times the weak were either "sent in the woods" or were allowed to eat grub, cannibalism flourished.
            Pagan cults fell away with the growth of society, material and followed spiritual.

            That is exactly this genius of your comment on my comment about the Saudis and the ram. What is it if not a relic of a bloody pagan cult, from which materially well-off Saudis do not want to refuse for some reason.
            Learn materiel with STUDENT. You somehow do not pull on the nerd.
            1. 0
              12 January 2017 02: 49
              Quote: rasteer
              To sacrifice old people and invalids is to offend God according to the principle "Take God that we don't like it"

              And in what holy book of the Gentiles does it say?

              Quote: rasteer
              but the most delicious sacrifice all the same for all peoples was a young, full-fledged member of society, whether it be a girl or a warrior

              Firstly, not all nations. Secondly, sacrifices are brought not only in gratitude or in support of a request. But also to get rid of the curse, for example. Read about the plight of albino blacks in some African countries, for example. And these are not the beautiful ancient times of the great pagan civilization, but ours today. Actually, real paganism, it is very sobering of minor romantics like you smile These are not fantasies about the sorcerers, the bearers of an ancient culture not known to anyone, which left no trace. These are the corpses of children dismembered during the sacrifice, which are found not only in Africa or in Haiti, but also in London. These are UN employees who have their liver cut out for gastronomic purposes, leaving them to die.
              Thirdly, the best representatives were sacrificed in the most exceptional cases. Otherwise, people would not have an incentive to develop. Given the human nature, people who are unable to stand up for themselves are much more likely to be victims.

              Quote: rasteer
              That is exactly this genius of your comment on my comment about the Saudis and the ram. What is it if not a relic of a bloody pagan cult, from which materially well-off Saudis do not want to refuse for some reason.

              Leave religion alone. Islam arose among the nomads, so it is natural to use animals in sacrifice. Similar sheep sacrifices exist in some Christian churches. I am an atheist and in general I consider all religions to be a further development of pagan cults in connection with the growth of production opportunities. And the sheep helped to slaughter in quite a Russian agriculture, and somehow I can not then condemn the Saudis. Are you not a vegetarian for an hour? If cutlets and steaks cause a gag reflex in you, I still understand your rejection laughing But the slaughter of the grind - an integral part of Faroese social culture - is not a remnant of a pagan cult? Or maybe the inhabitants of the Faroe Islands are not Christians?

              Teach materiel, hellish noob am
              1. +1
                12 January 2017 08: 00
                No, I only eat meat. I’m a wonderful elf and I don’t want cucumbers to suffer. wassat
                My post about the Saudis was intended to show you the fallacy of the thought of the death of pagan cults with the development of material culture. Do they have all the benefits of civilization and that they have stopped cutting sacrificial sheep? As you can see, no. Because it is connected with education, and not with material well-being or the development of civilization.
                About the incentive of a person to die in the name of God, for many cultures and especially warlike death on the altar was not a punishment but a great honor, so you went straight to God.
                Eating the organs of enemies or those who were suddenly considered "the light of civilization" is not directly related to sacrifices to the gods.
                All the same, gobble up the enemy’s liver in order to gain its power is not the same as sacrificing it to God from the point of view of religious mysticism, these subtleties do not understandly concern the victim.
                Of the blacks of albinos and other people with disabilities used to remove curses, you surely noticed that, but far from everywhere, there was such a cult. More often they were simply expelled from the tribe. Here, as they say, depends on the depression of the consumed fungi. laughing
                So keep cutting lambs in the village, farming is your calling hi
                1. 0
                  12 January 2017 10: 20
                  Quote: rasteer
                  My post about the Saudis was intended to show you the fallacy of the thought of the death of pagan cults with the development of material culture. Do they have all the benefits of civilization and that they have stopped cutting sacrificial sheep? As you can see, no. Because it is connected with education, and not with material well-being or the development of civilization.

                  Pagan cults do not die. They are transformed into religious cults. Civilized, less blood, more prayers. Although the process is multidirectional (neo-pagans) and uneven.

                  Quote: rasteer
                  So keep cutting lambs in the village, farming is your calling

                  Alas :) Childhood is over, now you will have to return to the sheep only in retirement smile
      3. Mwg
        0
        11 January 2017 19: 32
        Shamanic cults, as well as sorcery, were loudly condemned and recklessly debunked, and then on their basis special courses on hypnosis were created. change (expansion) of consciousness, NLP and began to sell / teach them as a revelation from the "advanced" science.
    3. +3
      10 January 2017 20: 10
      Better to watch the movie "Primordial Rus"
  13. +2
    10 January 2017 07: 35
    What is a viking? VARANGIAN!
    1. +7
      10 January 2017 07: 57
      If the film was called Varyag, then it would be a completely different film.
      1. 0
        11 January 2017 00: 02
        Quote: Jurkovs
        If the film was called Varyag, then it would be a completely different film.

        And looking at the present, let the old one remain better arr. 1946
  14. +6
    10 January 2017 07: 43
    Why are we so unlucky with the ministers of education (the new one does not count) and culture? And these are precisely those ministries that are obliged to teach young people, instill in them love for the history of their country, love for Russian culture, and enlighten. But in fact, what?
    1. +7
      10 January 2017 11: 56
      But for this, they do not allow people to be honest, competent, and responsible for this post. Our authorities do not need the culture of the people, they do not need the love of the people for our history, and God forbid, how afraid they are of the knowledge of the people of our history. And the people themselves, to be honest, are not needed.
      1. +3
        11 January 2017 15: 48
        murriou Yesterday, 11:56 ↑
        But for that and do not give to this post to break through honest, competent, sane people. Our authorities do not need the culture of the people, they do not need the love of the people for our history, and God forbid, how afraid they are of the knowledge of the people of our history. And the people themselves, to be honest, are not needed.


        You are a little mistaken dear "murriou" (sorry, I don’t know how to call you). For the post of Minister of Culture, Education and others - do not make your way, THERE ARE LONG AND PURPOSE SELECTED EXECUTIVE FAILURES of the Soviet past! Are you yourself like many forum users, not to mention the cheers-patriots, keep countingthat "the good tsar Putin" just DIDN'T MAKE everything in the "racial government" LOOKUP and WEIGH?! After all appointment signatures all sorts of ministers and others, for the most part FOR THE STATE, "sabotage top government officials" - everywhere since 2012 _ only the GDP itself ...
        And you fully RIGHT in that AUTHORITIES DO NOT NEED PEOPLE'S CULTURE and literacyauthorities TOTALLY enough is only the BLIND patriotism of the people and the repetition of "OK!" to the call from the Kremlin. Well, if the "rating" of the GDP itself drops below 80%, that is, who in Russia should be recalculated again and in the case of always the NUMBER can be CORRECTED by the desired amount. By the way, I myself for some reason, I don’t quite trust the HIGH figures of the GDP ratingbecause if you remember that less than 2016% came to the 30 ELECTIONS (in large cities 23% and similar), while EP received 60,3% of the vote in most regions, which leads to reflection ...
    2. +5
      10 January 2017 16: 44
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Why are we so unlucky with the ministers of education (the new one does not count) and culture? And these are precisely those ministries that are obliged to teach young people, instill in them love for the history of their country, love for Russian culture, and enlighten. But in fact, what?

      New why not count? It is unlikely that something will radically change. Everything is now ruled by the golden calf and the ministry, too. They were obliged in the USSR to teach youth the culture and glorious history of the Fatherland, and now they only teach how to cut money.
  15. +5
    10 January 2017 07: 56
    I agree completely. Moreover, as soon as I found out about the name of the film, I immediately realized how it would end. I won’t go to the viewing, my own mental health is more expensive.
  16. +8
    10 January 2017 07: 57
    I personally could not watch this shame, left the hall after half an hour
  17. +8
    10 January 2017 07: 58
    The film is full of cocoa. Prince Vladimir, who baptized Russia, is presented in it as somehow inadequate: the decision to baptize Russia was spontaneous after a conversation with a Byzantine monk; in all the epic scenes he did nothing to defeat the enemy (he would turn up his leg or drink a drug decoction) everything was done by mercenary Vikings, and the Russians brought them cartridges. In the absence of money, these eagles would not hit a finger and the Russians would take off jewelry from their women so that these "super duper" warriors would protect them. The film is positioned as a historical one, which the authors especially The guys did it.
    1. +6
      10 January 2017 10: 48
      Well, and what to do if it was so? Open Tacitus, Jordan, Procopius of Caesarea, and there the structure of life of the barbarian peoples of the first millennium from the RC is described in Latin-Greek in Russian. The tribe is separate, the king (prince) and the squad of his mixed-tribe thugs, living exclusively by robbery, separately. Neighbors or other reckless kings get the tribe, it hires the king for money, tsatzki or for a share of in-kind income, and he fights for the tribe. If there is no money or if he is squeezed, he will take it himself, because "the rifle gives rise to power", in this case the swords of the squad. This process was more or less ordered in our country only by Yaroslav the Wise and his Russkaya Pravda. Well, if someone imagines that the ancient Slavs lived in palaces, then this is only the problem of inadequate perception of the time and cultural level of the peoples of that time. The same is true of the illusion about "romantic" paganism. Even among the cultured Greeks and Romans, it was very unsightly. It is enough to imagine a hecatomb of a hundred bulls and all this dirt, and it immediately becomes uncomfortable. And this is a common cult practice. And it was even cooler. For example, in 216 BC at the Roman Forum, in connection with the advance of the Carthaginians of Hannibal, a couple of Gauls and a couple of Greeks were buried alive in order to appease the underground gods ...
      1. +4
        10 January 2017 14: 27
        Well, our chronicles or the Jesuits dragged away, or they burnt our own scoundrels, such as foolish parsley.
        Some of our ancestors were corrupt and dirty.
        Therefore, they are blatantly brazenly revealing an obvious lie - and what, the people who are now uneducated have gone, you can already lie openly!
        1. +3
          10 January 2017 15: 25
          You remind Americans now. You blame lies and abominations, but you yourself have never provided any evidence, facts and documents, specific persons confirming your innocence. A pointless conversation is obtained, and unilaterally.
      2. +5
        10 January 2017 14: 32
        Byzantine historians noted that the military affairs of the Slavs were at their best. The shield on the "gates of Constantinople" was nailed to Vladimir !! So to take off the earrings from the princess in order to pay a bribe to some hired squad, who have never seen the Polovtsy, I think the prince would not !!
      3. +6
        10 January 2017 16: 53
        Quote: libivs
        Well, what if it was so? Discover Tacitus, Jordan, Procopius of Caesarea, and there the Latin-Greek in Russian describes the structure of the life of the barbarian peoples of the first millennium from PX.

        And you try to open the research work of Russian historians and Russian chronicles. There are also chronicles of eastern travelers. And to believe the Roman sources is the same as to study the history of the Great Patriotic War according to the memoirs of the Germans defeated near Moscow, Kursk and Stalingrad.
        1. +1
          10 January 2017 19: 56
          And the eastern sources do not contradict the Roman sources. The same Ibn Fadlan. Note that Tacitus, in his "Germany", does not give out an interpretation of certain historical events, but describes the life and customs of barbarians, and from a brightly complimentary position, clearly comparing the customs of the Germans with the Roman customs of the tsarist and early republican periods of Roman history in reproach to their fellow citizens. In addition, Tacitus is a pagan who does not sympathize with Christians, so that you cannot reproach him with partiality, from a confessional point of view ...
          1. +4
            10 January 2017 22: 59
            Quote: libivs
            Note that Tacitus, in his "Germany", does not give out an interpretation of certain historical events, but describes the life and customs of barbarians, and from a brightly complimentary position, clearly comparing the customs of the Germans with the Roman customs of the tsarist and early republican periods of Roman history in reproach to their fellow citizens.

            Then you contradict yourself.
            1. 0
              11 January 2017 01: 15
              What is interesting? The fact that some Roman intellectuals were tired of the comfort of ancient civilization and were nostalgic for primitive savagery and primitive banditry, or what? so it was so.
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      1. +3
        10 January 2017 12: 33
        Well, what if it was so? Open tacitus

        There is an option. Make a costume film with knights in the Kremlin's interiors. This is a movie. Now you can write the story yourself
  18. +4
    10 January 2017 07: 58
    That Mazin Alexander (unless of course someone read it here) writes about the film https://vk.com/wall29512015_2498.
    1. +2
      10 January 2017 12: 00
      Mazina read. One can argue about his books, but at least they are worth such a debate.
  19. +13
    10 January 2017 08: 00
    Who cares what movie?
    Has the money been spent? Mastered. Is the plan fulfilled? Completed. Did you meet the deadlines? Complied with. Pushed into the rental? - With a whistle, nowhere even hooked. Here you guys have a "state award" and a medal on your chest! The only strange thing is that under similar "conditions" excellent films were released earlier: one Gaidai with Ryazanov is worth something. What happened now with 200% freedom? Did the people "grind"? The great ones were transferred with freedom and democracy, or were they obese from a well-fed life, but without "Magadan"?
    1. +7
      10 January 2017 08: 14
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Did the people "grind"?

      "Before, there was romance, a snack."
      1. +5
        10 January 2017 11: 09
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Did the people "grind"?

        "Before, there was romance, a snack."

        And, after all, also from Gaidai! :)
        1. +7
          10 January 2017 13: 34
          And then! Classic hi
  20. +3
    10 January 2017 08: 19
    a question to the author of the article why he did not include a minus in his estimates? This would be true, for example, -1000, and this would be more accurate.
  21. +9
    10 January 2017 08: 25
    Right now political scientists of Ukraine and Russophobes of the world are dancing with joy. All that they say is true. Only moral, stupid people can trash and spit mud on the MOTHERLAND! And the history of Russia has already vilely burned (3,5 million Slavic manuscripts) Eltsyn, Academician Pivovarov
    1. +2
      10 January 2017 11: 10
      Quote: njvlin
      Now political scientists of Ukraine are dancing with joy

      And what do they dance? What territory is the film in?
  22. +2
    10 January 2017 08: 26
    the critic sharpened the pen and it shot.
    And "Loot wins over evil."
    All questions to Suslov. or to A. Yakovlev and V. Medvedev. But 26 years ago. Late to drink Borjomi.
    I did not watch the movie.
    HOWEVER, 26 years ago the time of critics ended. the time of producers began. They took the money, spent it, painted it in the accounts and received it at the box office (the author of the article allegedly did not pay himself)
    A joke about prz-ka Rzhevsky ...
    - "Lieutenant, what is the essence of the anecdote?"
    - "Not of any essence, just sand and shit"
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  23. +6
    10 January 2017 08: 34
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    ... If this is what the media called the “revival of domestic cinema”, let it be better that this cinema dies in convulsions, but finally ceases to endow us with “tired”, “stalingradas” and other “Vikings” ...

    I agree to all 100.
    I would rephrase the statement of Lenin as follows: As long as the people managerial illiterate, they can twirl as you like.


    All these colorful remodels are designed for young people, and their statements in the news that this is fiction, young people as a rule do not hear - they do not watch the news ...
    1. +2
      10 January 2017 09: 50
      All these colorful remodels are designed for young people.

      Young people will not do it
    2. +3
      10 January 2017 12: 03
      Quote: Boris55
      All these colorful remodels are designed for young people.

      To stupid youth. Thinking, fortunately, sometimes it happens.
      1. 0
        10 January 2017 12: 56
        Quote: murriou
        To stupid youth. Thinking, fortunately, sometimes it happens.

        I was referring to those whose thinking is only forming. It is for them that these films are designed. By the way, on this resource there are people who study history exclusively from films.
        1. +5
          10 January 2017 13: 08
          Quote: Boris55
          and on this resource there are people who study history exclusively from films.

          Alas, there are enough of them everywhere. When you talk about Kolchak, a crowd of half-witted youngsters for whom the highest truth on this subject lies from the film "Admiral" will immediately come running. Talk about the Second World War - the same idiots who taught our history from the films of Migalkov will come out, and so on.

          In general, the classic said correctly: in the era of total illiteracy, the most important of the arts is cinema laughing
      2. +2
        10 January 2017 16: 44
        To stupid youth

        On the bulk. The vast majority - in a relaxed state, drinks beer.
  24. +9
    10 January 2017 08: 43
    Correctly noticed, the money will be "beaten off" through the massive forced viewing by schoolchildren, as is done with the Yeltsin Center. By the way, they gave 7 billion rubles for its construction, and only 5 billion rubles for pensioners for payments of 4,3 thousand rubles. And you are talking about some 1.02 billion rubles. Mohem-blogger with Dvorkovich and Kudrin-lads on the sidelines giggle maliciously as they cleverly organize genocide against the Russian people
  25. +4
    10 January 2017 08: 44
    I agree. Wife dragged to the cinema for the holidays. Impressions from viewing are described in one phrase - KG / AM
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    1. +4
      10 January 2017 11: 14
      Quote: CorvusCoraks
      show the early stages of our history in a completely wrong light.

      And no one really knows what happened then. But normal people interpret scraps of information and "white spots" in a positive way, and ki - it is clear in what way.
  27. +4
    10 January 2017 08: 50
    It's just that if I could have put a thousand pluses to the article, a more Russophobic film, I don't remember something, this creature who wrote the script, and the second one who shot it, hoped for only one thing, they might be in the west, they will notice, hence the name, who the same from gayropeans will go to "Prince Vladimir", but they may be tempted to V & K & N G, the only thing I disagree with is the fact that advertising people have delayed this squalor, I think the case is different among the people the demand for awareness has matured their history, so the people rushed, and about the awards, too, do not agree, you will see it will simply become a leader in the number of awards.
  28. +7
    10 January 2017 09: 01
    The topic of the article is such that you can write a few different comments on the subject.
    But for some reason, among the commentators, there is still no "liberal-democratic" stratum specializing in stories "about the dark Soviet past."
    When the writers were not allowed to write, the musicians were not allowed to play, the composers were not allowed to compose, as were the poets, sculptors could not sculpt, artists smeared, singers sang. The writers were forced to write the necessary books, the belerin was forced to dance swans according to the materials of the congress and not otherwise. Even soccer players kicked the ball in accordance with ideology. Well, I'm not talking about cinema and theater. In the steel were the clutches of censorship.
    And here it is, a free and bright capitalist present. I would like from his adherents to hear about the outstanding victories of free and liberated capitalist art. Well, about the ballet, thanks to Volochkova we know. She’s cool ... ballet. So what is next?
    1. +2
      10 January 2017 09: 55
      I would like from his adherents to hear about the outstanding victories of free and liberated capitalist art.

      "Star Wars" last, Harry Potter, about animals did not watch, the last? Much more interesting than Leniniana and the film "Communist".
      But for some reason, there is no "liberal-democratic"

      Do you have different views? Of course, dictatorship is better. Everything will be decided for you, and you are a screw, they walked along the line, do what they say. Antonym of liberalism - fascism, no third
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      2. +3
        10 January 2017 12: 13
        Correspondence with you allowed me to find out the most interesting thing. It turns out that the first Internet troll is described in 12th century French poetry. Only I did not understand, moreover, your examples to the discussed cinema.
        1. +1
          10 January 2017 17: 05
          first Internet troll described in XNUMXth century French poetry

          Stop calling names. Decembrists, too, as it turned out, are far from gentlemen in white gloves. Pestel, for example, ran his hand at the regimental cashier.
          Only I did not understand, and your examples to the discussed cinema

          Probably has nothing to do with a particular film.
          But then I saw the film "The Duelist", with Mashkov in the title role. Same. Endless rain, dirt, some comic book characters, such as nobles rushing around St. Petersburg, more reminiscent of either a train station, or a tortuous exchange, unreal pistols, also borrowed from some comics ...
          I mean, it's better to watch Hollywood, although it will not be offensive. For aimlessly spent time
          1. +4
            10 January 2017 19: 45
            That is, with your answer you acknowledge that after the collapse of the USSR and, accordingly, the elimination of censorship in the space we are discussing in the field of cinema, the majority of what was created is like a cow? And it was worth it to rest.
      3. +1
        10 January 2017 13: 04
        Quote: Gerard Roussillon
        Much more interesting than Leniniana and the film "Communist".

        But it was the grandfathers brought up on these films that defeated fascism. The primary task of the media, which includes cinema, is to educate a person.
        1. +2
          10 January 2017 17: 13
          But it was the grandfathers brought up on these films that defeated fascism.

          Reflecting on the topic of how we managed to defeat fascism, I came to a simple conclusion. It's not about movies and not about books and not about appeals. Hitler and I met the 42nd near Moscow. After watching all these films and reading all these books. Films, as you can see, are useful but not the main thing.
          The main thing - the Germans angered the Russian bear. Anger, hatred and revenge - this is the driving force of the Victory
          1. 0
            11 January 2017 09: 42
            Quote: Gerard of Roussillon
            Hitler and I met the 42nd near Moscow.

            Why the Germans ended up near Moscow - thanks to Zhukov.

            Quote: Gerard of Roussillon
            The main thing - the Germans angered the Russian bear. Anger, hatred and revenge - this is the driving force of the Victory

            First, thought, then action. As we think, we do so. As we act - so we live. Our thoughts are shaped by our parents, school ... etc. and the media that shape the thoughts of those who shape them for us (parents, school ...). I apologize for tuftology.
            Do you know how much a minute of time costs on TV? And why do we basically have this TV available for free - did not think about it?
            The struggle of minds occurs before the struggle of the physical. Even children know about this ... and not only in China.
      4. +2
        10 January 2017 15: 42
        Quote: Gerard Roussillon
        "Star Wars" last, Harry Potter, about animals did not watch, the last? Much more interesting than Leniniana and the film "Communist".

        That's right, the last star wars are much more interesting than the first. The plot is the same, but the special effects are cooler. But now there is no one to shoot "Kommunist". Special effects, that is, masters of sculpting, but now there is no one to do the script and direction about a working person.
        1. 0
          10 January 2017 17: 46
          Quote: bot.su
          It is precisely that the last star wars are much more interesting than the first.

          I do not agree. It has long been clear that special effects as such cannot be of interest. They are characterized by rapid satiety, and by the way, creators of new star wars clearly realizing this, and understanding Lucas' mistakes (almost completely drawn 1-2-3 parts) returned to the large-scale use of live scenery. Graphics are used in emergency and rightly so. But even this does not give new star wars a chance to surpass the oldest episodes.
          Interstellar is another example. The number of graphics is minimal. Spaceships are even made by mock-ups and actually filmed, moreover, on film, like the whole film.
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  30. +1
    10 January 2017 09: 26
    Quote: Dekabrist
    And here it is, a free and bright capitalist present. I would like from his adherents to hear about the outstanding victories of free and liberated capitalist art. Well, about the ballet, thanks to Volochkova we know. She’s cool ... ballet

    Her ballet is really cool ...... the one above the belly button. bully
  31. +5
    10 January 2017 09: 28
    “Maybe Putin showed some other film?”

    Impressed by the phrase ... hi
  32. +3
    10 January 2017 09: 32
    The Ministry of Culture stands out! Confidently watches! Do not miss! Will not allow! Will not give money!

    I want to ask the author, is he a soothsayer and can see the future? How can a work of art be appreciated before its creation. This is the first. Second, the role of the state should not be leading in such an area as cinema. Otherwise, we will come to censorship, to which all directors of Soviet cinema were literally unhappy with what.
    1. +13
      10 January 2017 09: 48
      Yeah, here are the first exclamations!
      The directors of Soviet cinema suffering from censorship made such films as The Fate of a Man, They Fought for the Motherland, The Living and the Dead, and so on and so forth. Military-patriotic, historical, children's, comedy, popular science.
      Now you. Let’s list the great cinematography, film actors of the uncensored era.
      1. +4
        10 January 2017 10: 35
        like "The Fate of Man", "They Fought for the Motherland", "The Living and the Dead",


        Are you watching this now? You have forgotten "The Cranes Are Flying". You need to know your favorite film library
        Now you
        Let's face you first
        Now these films are completely inaccessible. Ask the children and grandchildren, will they watch this? For fun, do this experiment. And children, as our future is known. If only a thousand promises, and then everyone will dodge.
        An order was given in the regional committee. Prepare people for war and hardships. This is the first thing. The second is to explain to the people how they came to such a life. And away we go. There are many Germans. Ours are few. Ours are terrible heroes. Germans are villainous cowards. Let's rivet hundreds of masterpieces. Historical fiction. "Scout feat" yet. Well, on the production topic. Masterpiece "Yurka's Dawns". Or "Vanya Brovkin on virgin soil". This is even the best thing. Do you revisit often? 200 pieces per year for 50 years. And everything is at the expense of the state. And you remembered 3 pictures. Well, another ten, you will name another. Out of ten thousand. Here is your efficiency. One tenth of a percent. Zilch.
        1. +9
          10 January 2017 10: 59
          If these films are not watched now, these are problems not of films, but of the education system.
          But you wag in your answer, like a bat in flight. You censored the censored Soviet low-efficiency cinema. Where is the same analysis of current achievements.
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    4. +8
      10 January 2017 10: 09
      With all the shortcomings of censorship, it must be admitted that out of the works made in the post-Soviet period, there is a miserable minuscule of what could compare with Soviet films and nothing that could surpass them.
    5. Mwg
      +4
      10 January 2017 10: 14
      Tarkovsky worked under censorship, Gaidai worked, Root worked, even Soloviev worked. And nothing, created masterpieces. Here is a "work of art", just created with the participation of consultants instead of censorship. And here they are obtained by the ideologists of the created "work of art", tk. by default approved the creation of this "masterpiece". And what, censorship is not needed? Should the whole country show a burp of inflamed fantasy, calling it an artistic conception? Read Mark Twain's story about Huckleberry Finn - there the directors of the play "The Naked King" are banally beaten. Do you propose to beat the filmmakers instead of censorship? Well, dear, you are an obscurantist.
    6. +2
      10 January 2017 10: 15
      Quote: Gerard of Roussillon
      . Otherwise, we will come to censorship, to which all directors of Soviet cinema were literally unhappy with what.

      Not all! Very much even "not all"!
    7. +6
      10 January 2017 12: 10
      Quote: Gerard Roussillon
      what literally all the directors of Soviet cinema left and were dissatisfied with.

      This discontent is at the level of a young loafer, unhappy that he is forced to do everything as it should: wash, brush his teeth, study at school ... but give him free rein, he would wipe his ass off and be lazy, not leaving the table.

      In Soviet times, cinema was at a high level. Like everything else.

      After the collapse of the USSR, everything that the "liberated" post-Soviet "creators" have done, in any genre of any art, FULLY fits into the concept of UG.
      1. +1
        10 January 2017 13: 09
        In Soviet times, cinema was at a high level. Like everything else.

        Household appliances for example. Broke a week after the purchase.
        Cinema mainly fulfilled the order of power
        1. +8
          10 January 2017 13: 19
          Quote: Gerard Roussillon
          Household appliances for example. Broke a week after the purchase.

          Yeah? What, do not remind? And what, is the current Chinese consumer goods more durable? lol

          My parents still have an old Soviet refrigerator "Saratov" in operation. Neighbors envy them and regret that they threw out their work in the landfill in a hurry, and now they constantly have to buy new ones. Modern technology has a predetermined operating time limit, called guaranteed wear.

          Many of my friends, music lovers, have excellent Soviet audio equipment. Now buy one - big money is needed.
          ZIL-130, GAZ-66 cars and other antiques still run around many countries of the world.
          Soviet weapons from WWII are still fighting in some places.
          Find similar longevity in its Western counterparts.
          1. +2
            10 January 2017 17: 35
            And what, is the current Chinese consumer goods more durable? lol

            the current one is certainly more durable. China is not the same as before.
            the old Soviet refrigerator "Saratov" is still working

            Surprisingly, the fridges were pretty good. We write it in riddles.
            Many of my friends, music lovers, stand and serve well
            Soviet audio equipment. Now buy one - big money is needed
            .

            This I hope is a joke. They probably use them to chop nuts. The banduras were heavy and in that capacity served perfectly

            ZIL-130, GAZ-66 cars and other antiques still run around many countries of the world.
            Soviet weapons from WWII are still fighting in some places.
            Find similar longevity in its Western counterparts.

            You are welcome. Cuba is a reserve of Politicians and Buicks of the 40s and 50s. And note the technique serves in the complete absence of spare parts. That is, it does not break.
            Weapons around the world can be found in any, any country - manufacturer. Electronics is outdated, and barrels serve for decades. Shermans probably still exist in Israel, somewhere in the engineering units, Mustangs were even produced in a small series in the times close to us to combat drug trafficking. So not only with us.
            1. 0
              10 January 2017 18: 29
              Politicians Reserve

              Sorry Pontiac, well, and Fords Mercury
            2. 0
              10 January 2017 21: 19
              Quote: Gerard Roussillon
              Surprisingly, the fridges were pretty good. We write it in riddles.

              no riddle - the compressor and evaporator were Japanese.
              1. Mwg
                0
                11 January 2017 19: 11
                Yeah, Japanese, and for conspiracy they wrote "made in the USSR", and below in small print they indicated the manufacturer of ZIL, so that the deceived people would not guess about the true manufacturer)))
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          1. +1
            10 January 2017 18: 36
            Soviet power took care of educating people, morality, morality, patriotism.
            YES? , in my opinion everything was as it is now. Only instead of bankers the regional committee nomenclature. The cinema of that time was unrealistically far from real life. Remember "Kuban Cossacks". For instance. It was filmed in a destroyed country where people lived in dugouts. They were not engaged in education, but in agitation and propaganda.
  33. 0
    10 January 2017 09: 38
    On such a Kravchuk, the GPU would be the Cheka.
  34. +4
    10 January 2017 09: 45
    Messrs. Medinsky, Ernst and Kravchuk are a disgrace to our culture


    What gentlemen are they there. 4moshniki.
    Ernst steers TV channels, that's advertising his threshing floor
  35. +5
    10 January 2017 09: 54
    Heroic personality - Roman Skomorokhov! He still watched this to the end! I had enough patience for 20 minutes ...
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    In general, filmmakers have this (contextually scabrous ...) adage: cinema begins to pay off already in the process and at the beginning of budget funding! They gave you a denyuh "for a movie" - it has already "paid off" ...
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    Historical truth - not a penny! But the "historical lie" - aha, for a billion and a trifle ... Dirt ... "Naked sheepskin coats" were carried by the last peasants because they changed them every winter, cheap stuff! ... Cheaper than the shirt underneath, under the sheepskin coat ... and the fur falls off, does not heat! This is now he, the sheepskin coat - "sheepskin coat" ...
    ... Well, and so on, even in food - nonsense ... Even boring to discuss ...
  36. +7
    10 January 2017 09: 55
    The gentlemen did not like the dirt. And what else can be in the spring in Polotsk. Wretchedness did not like. So then everything was built of wood. Try bad axes without nails and saws to build better. The people too. So the pagans worshiped natural phenomena and lived in dugouts. By the way, the roof never worked for free if the author is not in the know. In form I have few complaints. According to the dough, the author knows better. But the content is something. There are few sources, but they are, and the authors misinterpreted all that they could.
    1. Mwg
      +10
      10 January 2017 10: 34
      In the spring in Polotsk, dear, there may be sidewalks. And the wretchedness in the film is not visible from the use of wood, but from the desire to show and emphasize such wretchedness. Moreover, emphasize the wretchedness of lifestyle and, accordingly, consciousness. Bad axes, for example, Kizhi built. Without a single nail, if that.
      "Pagans worshiped natural phenomena and lived in dugouts" - a masterpiece, not an expression. What dugouts, dear, read, at least, Wikipedia: "Gardariki (Isc. Garðaríki, Garðaveldi, Swedish. Gårdarike) is the Old Scandinavian name of Russia and the Old Russian state [1], known in Northern Europe in the Middle Ages, including in the Scandinavian sagas The term translates as "country of cities" [2]. "
      1. +3
        10 January 2017 11: 00
        There may be sidewalks, as in Novgorod. But I did not find links about them. But excavations in Polotsk were carried out. And why do you think that in the cities did not live in dugouts. Especially in the outskirts. The dugout can be quite large and well-maintained with a hearth. Of course, quite wealthy lived in princely houses with a tyun around, but not all. I recommend that you look at the wiki and see what dugouts are. And there maybe before reading in Rybakova not far.

        There lived an old man with his old woman
        At the very blue sea.
        They lived in a dilapidated dugout ...
        1. Mwg
          0
          11 January 2017 19: 21
          I know firsthand how to live in a dugout. I grew up practically with my great-grandmother and heard all kinds of stories from her, but she had to live in a dugout and not from a good life, I assure you. And there is nothing good in the dugout for the family, otherwise my great-grandfather would not have to tear day and night so that the family could live in a normal house. This was always a temporary crisis housing and as such will remain whatever they write on Wikipedia.
      2. +2
        10 January 2017 11: 22
        Quote: MVG
        Bad axes, for example, Kizhi built.

        Bad axes?
        Look at these "bad" ones in the museum ... Each ax - both a tool and a weapon, practically a small masterpiece of blacksmith's art! Dear dogs, they were! Passed down from generation to generation ... And now? I spent it 10-15 times - throw it out ...
        1. +2
          10 January 2017 12: 14
          You have seen a lot of axes of the 10th century. I'm not afraid of one. These were low-quality crafts made of bad iron made at a primitive technological level. And the weapon was no better.
          1. 0
            10 January 2017 12: 52
            Quote: Kenneth
            You have seen a lot of axes of the 10th century. I'm not afraid of one. These were low-quality crafts made of poor iron made at a primitive technological level.


            Go to Wikipedia and look at these low-quality products.
            1. 0
              10 January 2017 13: 07
              I went in. Photo of a modern reconstruction. And the mint of the prince restored. It’s found enough axes, but the question is what they were made of. How could a forge be equipped in those conditions. What you are looking at is later samples.
            2. 0
              10 January 2017 13: 59
              Here you have the axes, enjoy the quality
              http://swordmaster.org/forum/cat-Predmetyibyitaiu
              krasheniya / topic-73.html
          2. Mwg
            0
            11 January 2017 19: 27
            At the expense of low quality crafts of the 10th century, you are very mistaken. Screaming iron was known even earlier, and from it steel was forged - wow. Maybe forging was crooked, which is unlikely, but the quality of the steel was not worse than now
      3. 0
        10 January 2017 12: 19
        Kizhi is the 18th century. More than 700 years later. And axes and saws and staples centuries of experience.
      4. 0
        10 January 2017 12: 28
        The city is in Germanic Burg. Not a country of cities, but fortifications or settlements.
        1. +2
          10 January 2017 12: 56
          Germanic Burg - fortress, fortified point. Around which in the middle ages a settlement could have appeared, a city.

          Gardariki - the ancient Scandinavian name of the Old Russian state, known to the Vikings in the Middle Ages. The term translates as "country of cities". The Varangians called Gardarika the northern Russian lands, as a chain of fortresses along the Volkhov River, starting from Lyubsha and Staraya Ladoga. ...
          1. 0
            10 January 2017 14: 00
            The word is formed according to the model X + ríki (state, country), which served to designate the state. The toponym is based on the root garð- (related to the Indo-European gard-), meaning 1) “fence, fence, fortification”, 2) “yard, enclosed space”, 3) “yard, possession, farm (in Iceland), house ( in Norway) ”Here is the“ city ”in the sense of“ fortress, fortified settlement ”. The kinship of the Scandinavian “guard” and the old Russian “city, city” played an important role in the formation of the toponym Gardarika [4].
          2. 0
            11 January 2017 14: 45
            Not "cities", but "fenced areas". Simply put, "Gardarika" is a country beyond the FENCES :-)
            1. +1
              11 January 2017 16: 20
              What is the root in the words "city", "hedge", "fence"? lol
              For * the most alternatively gifted * hint: one and the same. Further explain?
        2. 0
          10 January 2017 15: 51
          Quote: Slender Reed
          The city is in Germanic Burg.

          What does the Germans have to do with it?
          Quote: Slender Reed
          Not a country of cities, but fortifications or settlements.

          It is the cities. But after watching films like the one being discussed, it really seems that the country is a city of settlements and villages.
          1. 0
            11 January 2017 12: 35
            How does it do it? The Normans are Germanic, their language is Germanic. Gardariki does NOT mean "country of cities" in translation, simply.
            1. 0
              12 January 2017 02: 54
              Quote: Slender Reed
              Gardariki does NOT mean "country of cities" in translation, simply.

              And what does this word mean among friends of Zadornov?
              1. 0
                13 January 2017 10: 39
                Zadornov's friends are you who?
                1. 0
                  13 January 2017 12: 04
                  Quote: Slender Reed
                  Zadornov's friends are you who?

                  Execution cannot be pardoned. If you already use the language, observe spelling and punctuation. And that is not clearly expressed smile

                  Leave your Jewish habit of answering a question with a question laughing Do not bother, but explain better what does the Gardariki mean, if not the country of cities?
                  1. 0
                    13 January 2017 16: 16
                    The Jewish habit, like all reasonable people, is to clarify, in case there is even a drop of meaning in the opponent’s delirium.
                    Translating "gardariki" as "country of cities", dolboslavs like to consider this as evidence of developed urbanism and, accordingly, an exceptionally high civilization. Therefore, it should be clarified: in the Germanic languages, the city is like urbs, the polis is a burg. And gardr is any kind of village, including: a farm, a fortress, a dugout enclosed by a palisade.
                    1. 0
                      15 January 2017 01: 28
                      In order to judge the opponent’s nonsense, you need to be sure that you yourself are not talking nonsense. But the Jewish habit is to answer a question with a question, if there is nothing to say on the merits of the question.

                      Quote: Slender Reed
                      Translating "gardariki" as "country of cities", dolboslavs like to consider this as evidence of developed urbanism and, accordingly, an exceptionally high civilization.

                      Dolboslavs may love, but I personally understand what the burgs, cities and guards of the early Middle Ages were like.

                      Quote: Slender Reed
                      Therefore, it should be clarified: in Germanic languages ​​a city is like an urban, a policy is a burg.

                      My slender friend, you have such a mess in your head that I am beginning to suspect that you are some kind of Israeli "dolboslav" or whatever your analogs of Fomenkovites and Zadornovites are called. Urbs is a Latin word, I emphasize - latin, denotes a city surrounded by a wall, a fortress. Polis - the Greek word for antiquity denoting a city community or political system, city-state. The shaddt rather than the burg corresponds to the Greek policy. Burg in the Greek Acropolis. Burg, guard and city are all originally fortified place, fortress, castle. Indeed, it could be a settlement of any size, but fortified. So your Zadornovskie interpretation of erroneous.
                      But I understood your promise. Like these cities of yours - piles of log huts behind a picket fence laughing It was necessary to say so right away, and not to build a debunker of myths. In those days, people throughout the whole of Northern and Eastern Europe lived the same way. The differences were that the same fortified settlement in Germany or England was called mainly a burg, in Scandinavia a guard, and in Russia a city or city.
    2. +3
      11 January 2017 15: 45
      Quote: Kenneth
      The gentlemen did not like the dirt. And what else can be in the spring in Polotsk. Wretchedness did not like. So then everything was built of wood.

      Wood is not wretchedness, the first Moscow Kremlin and all other kremlins of Russian cities were made of wood, Russian towers were made of wood, all fortifying and defensive structures from ancient times, for example, Arkaim is a complex, clearly geometric structure with the use of military engineering and astronomical knowledge. Have you ever been to Russia, traveled around the country? Have you been to Suzdal? In Kizhi? Yes, in the Moscow region, even, wooden towers in several tiers have survived - I grew up in a five-story building next to such a tower, in it we had a medical isolation ward at a children's sanatorium for sick children. And what about huts with carved shutters and palisades all over Russia from 10 km from large cities and beyond? Have you not seen this beauty - as if wooden elements are made of thin lace on many houses? In pure "cultural" Europe, there have never been such masterpieces!
  37. +9
    10 January 2017 09: 56
    Guys! What to argue something: which country, such and films! In that happy country films were made that we have been watching for 20 years in a row for the New Year! And you can watch them for a long time! And this budget (1,3 billion rubles) only when you vomited in the toilet, and nothing more ...
    1. 0
      11 January 2017 16: 00
      Platonitch Yesterday, 09:56
      Guys! What to argue: which country, such and films! In that happy country, films were made that we have been watching for 20 years in a row for the new year! And you can watch them for a long time! And this budget (1,3 billion rubles) only when you vomited in the toilet, and nothing more ...

      I fully support you, dear "Platonich"!
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    1. +1
      10 January 2017 10: 16
      I can’t follow the link.
      1. 0
        10 January 2017 10: 51
        And what's the point?
      2. 0
        10 January 2017 11: 10
        Change.org sign up and sign the petition
      3. 0
        11 January 2017 16: 14
        CorvusCoraks Yesterday, 10:16 ↑
        I can’t follow the link.

        Dear "CorvusCorak", my link is working today, I also signed under the petition.
        Michael, Smolensk.
    2. +2
      10 January 2017 10: 49
      Some strange points. Mostly contrived and tied to modern thinking.
      2.1. Not true. In clean clothes and washed there too. In general terms, given the life in the dugouts and lighting with smoky rays - the film shows correctly. Another thing is that as a result of trade and trips to Byzantium there should be more numerous signs of civilization. Kiev is extremely wretched, despite the fact that the loot in these campaigns dragged into it. There were already admirers of Christianity and monks.
      2.2. Speech should be primitive. There they are almost all illiterate and closed on the topic of food. Theaters, cinema and museums were not available.
      2.3. Confuse with house building. The girl behaves normally for the daughter of an influential prince, to whom the devil came to know who. Perhaps the behavior is authorized by the pope to whom such a marriage did not give up.
      2.5. You have a photo of the Magi. The author does not seem to have it either. Pagan priests of primitive peoples we can observe in modern times. By analogy, it is possible to build images of the Magi. But here the authors most likely really went over.
      2.6.
      The Tale of Bygone Years:
      Vladimir “put idols on the hill behind the tower yard ... And they sacrificed to them, and brought their sons and daughters, and the Russian land and the hill were defiled with blood”, and three years later, the people of Kiev decided “to slaughter as a sacrifice at all costs” to the gods "of a young Varangian youth: when his father refused to give his son to the" demons ", the people of Kiev" clicked and cut the canopy under them, and so they were killed. "
      1. +2
        10 January 2017 12: 21
        Museums, museums and the concept of literacy are tied to modern thinking. Eating - sleeping is not an illiterate speech, but oligophrenic.
        1. +3
          10 January 2017 12: 28
          In those days, I was afraid to search for food or the opportunity to earn money on it, it was a significant part of the time.
      2. +4
        10 January 2017 17: 04
        Quote: Kenneth
        The Tale of Bygone Years:

        Can you remember the approximate time of writing this source? Given that it was presented to the "general public" in the form of a "list", i.e. copies. And no one knows which one. Accordingly, with all subsequent "corrections, clarifications and additions" introduced by each new scribe, depending on his imagination and simply political order. If we assume for a moment that the so-called. After all, Nestor was a monk, and his attitude to paganism hardly expressed sympathy.
        PS By the way, the so-called. Marco Polo also wrote a lot about China and India in his time, most of which was suitable only for the stories of "1000 and One Nights." And the same is presented as a "historical" document.
        1. +1
          10 January 2017 17: 33
          So what. You have other sources. Imagine. Or maybe you need a photo report from the place of sacrifice. So then you would say that photoshop
          1. +2
            10 January 2017 20: 47
            Quote: Kenneth
            So what. You have other sources. Imagine.

            Well, right, since they said that there are no other people besides Nestor, then we will believe forever and ever. Especially to how this chronicler described the epoch-making decision of Vladimir to make Christianity state. religion of Russia. laughing Remind me about these "consultations" with Jews, Muslims and GERMANS? ("Germans" as a term designated by Western foreigners, in fact, came into use in Russia under Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich)
            1. 0
              10 January 2017 22: 33
              By the way, the bishop came and the Muslims also visited. And who was called what and when what happened so rewrote
    3. +4
      10 January 2017 11: 11
      until the feeders of Medina and Ernsty admire the mangrams of goodness!
    4. 0
      13 January 2017 13: 31
      One gets the impression that Mr. Medinsky is fulfilling someone's order, and even paid out of our pockets with income tax. Well, how will "foreign countries" treat us if we ourselves depict our "history" in such a distorted form. I predict the film many different awards of the same "foreign country", because they are like a balm for the soul.
  39. +2
    10 January 2017 10: 01
    I definitely agree with the author.
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  41. +10
    10 January 2017 10: 04
    Of course, I can be mistaken, but if you recall our old films about those times. Sadko, Ilya Muromets and many others.
    This is where and how the image and spirit should be revealed.
  42. +9
    10 January 2017 10: 13
    In general - censorship: it is only good! There used to be - what? - aha, artistic councils! The script, set design, selection of actors were evaluated, and - no, they were not prohibited, but - they were recommended! ... Moreover, they "recommended" such personalities and authorities - with whom you cannot argue; and if you argue, you will almost become a classic and a luminary!
    ...And now? Kostya Raikin with genitals wrapped in colored tape? It is so - the destructive path is always easier than the constructive one! Like - to break - not to build ...
    --------------------------
    But the main censor was people - "consumer" of art, spectator, listener and reader! And here - neither party authorities, nor venerable critics and masters of art like K.A. Raikin with his “don’t zamay the budget” did not go! They did not read, did not look and did not listen ... but looked, read and listened to what was "in unison with the soul"! Art was massive ... when and why did it become "elite"? Received a prize or a prize at a Western festival (God forbid - at Eurovision ...) - I got "in the cage"!
    ----------------
    ... the thought has been visiting lately - but in the USSR we built (or tried to build) a state according to God's laws! under the prevailing atheism ...
    ... and the West opposed us "then", and continues to oppose now - as standing on the side opposed to these God's laws, on the side of the forces of evil, or what? ...
  43. +9
    10 January 2017 10: 15
    Since I don’t keep the TV box at home on principle, I didn’t see the Viking advertisement. But ... 31 I had to work at night, by 8 o'clock in the evening. And since I had to congratulate in the neighboring (home) city, where I work, my mother and mother-in-law, we went with my wife in the morning, everyone was congratulated and she went home at 4 pm. And I decided to kill time before work - to go to the movies. I went to the cinema for five hours of a movie about Russian history, that's good, I love history and I hope I understand it. Well ... he killed. Of course, I have such a completely nasty impression as Roman, the film did not leave, but what I agree with him for all 100 is that one and a half lard of budgetary tugriks Ernst and the company drank well. They would be felling, they would have filled up the whole of Russia with firewood. Budget drank masters !!!!!!!
  44. +8
    10 January 2017 10: 31
    Although some seem to be honorably carrying the awards "For services to the Fatherland."
    Before what country, tell me?


    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
  45. +3
    10 January 2017 10: 35
    Their homeland is where to eat and sleep warm and satisfying, and money "earns" here. On "Dead end" there was a program dedicated to this "masterpiece" but he went and made sure.
  46. +8
    10 January 2017 10: 44
    I watched this "masterpiece". After the shots, when the prince, intoxicated by some kind of "wild-ass" drink, was walking in the heap of the battle, arrows flew past, the felling was going on .... I wanted to leave the hall. When he woke up on the ground in the mud, I felt disgusted. But I forced myself to stay, watched this nonsense to the end. At the very end of this "masterpiece", during baptism, a ray of light broke through, bright juicy colors appeared on the screen ... This was probably intended to show the advantage of the Christian religion over paganism ... It was unpleasant for me to see the dirty, unwashed Kievan Rus ... There is an opinion that in Russia people wore dirty, not washed clothes, and the habit of washing came to us from the so-called civilized Europe... Was it really so? No not like this. Baths in Russia were known in the most ancient times. The chronicler Nestor attributes them to the first century after the Birth of Christ, when the Apostle Andrew traveled along the Dnieper, preaching the Gospel word, and reached much further north of it, "where Novgorod is now", where he saw a miracle - steamed in a bath. In it, according to his description, everyone turned into boiled crayfish in color. "Having heated the stove in the wooden baths," says Nestor, "they entered there naked and poured water there; then they took the rods and began to beat themselves, and flogged to the point that they barely came out alive; but then, having doused with cold water, they revived. So they did. weekly, and moreover, - concludes Nestor, - having not been tortured by anyone, they tortured themselves, and did not ablution, but torture. " http://www.proza.ru/2014/09/19/1658 And, now I will repeat the question asked here ... Who benefits from creating such a "masterpiece" and showing Kievan Rus in such a dark, dirty, wild form ? And for what?
    1. +3
      10 January 2017 12: 43
      Dwellings were scorched and lit by open fire. Sit next to the bonfire indoors will be grimy. And by the way there was no soap
      And hot water from the tap did not flow.
      1. 0
        10 January 2017 16: 45
        Quote: Kenneth
        Dwellings were scorched and lit by open fire. Sit next to the bonfire indoors will be grimy. And by the way there was no soap
        And hot water from the tap did not flow.

        And about the Russian stove and the Russian bath did not hear?
        1. +1
          10 January 2017 17: 28
          10 century
          What a Russian stove. Before the invention of the chimney, half a millennium.
          1. 0
            10 January 2017 20: 31
            Quote: Kenneth
            Before the invention of the chimney, half a millennium.

            So they drowned "in black", i.e. without chimneys. And about heating water in vessels, such as a pot, a cast iron pot, a cauldron, our ancestors also did not know? Didn't cook porridge and stews, different decoctions? This I mean that "hot water did not flow from the tap."
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    2. 0
      11 January 2017 14: 47
      "Ozverin" is a drink made from fly agarics. Berserkers drank (they are part of the Vikings), have you never heard?
      1. 0
        13 January 2017 10: 56
        Berserkers are common outlaws, anti-social elements, outcasts. Therefore, they could not be part of the Vikings. For some brave or thoughtless actions, with "crazy", an ordinary person could allegorically be called a berserker.
        A military career under fly agaric would be extremely fleeting.
    3. +1
      11 January 2017 16: 34
      nerpa Yesterday, 10:44
      I watched this "masterpiece". After the shots, when the prince, intoxicated by some kind of "wild-ass" drink, ... watched this nonsense to the end. At the very end of this "masterpiece", at the baptism, a ray of light broke through, bright juicy colors appeared on the screen ... So, probably, it was intended to show the advantage of the Christian religion over paganism .... It was unpleasant for me to see the dirty, unwashed Kievan Rus ... There is an opinion that in Russia people wore dirty, not washed clothes, and the habit of washing came to us from the so-called civilized Europe. Was it really so? No not like this. Baths in Russia were known in the most ancient times. ... And, now I will repeat the question asked already here ... Who benefits from creating such a "masterpiece" and showing Kievan Rus in such a dark, dirty, wild form? And for what?
      You are right dear "nerpa"!
      And the very fact of the creation and distribution of this dubious "masterpiece" suggests that the words, speeches and actions of the higher power diverge ... The stupidity and fooling of the people and, most importantly, the unformed youth - SUCCESSFULLY continues.
      Alas, this is so, as if your opinion would have cut the rumor of the patriots ...
  47. +1
    10 January 2017 10: 50
    Well, and what to do if it was so? Open Tacitus, Jordan, Procopius of Caesarea, and there the structure of life of the barbarian peoples of the first millennium from the RC is described in Latin-Greek in Russian. The tribe is separate, the king (prince) and the squad of his mixed-tribe thugs, living exclusively by robbery, separately. Neighbors or other reckless kings get the tribe, it hires the king for money, tsatzki or for a share of in-kind income, and he fights for the tribe. If there is no money or if he is squeezed, he will take it himself, because "the rifle gives rise to power", in this case the swords of the squad. This process was more or less ordered in our country only by Yaroslav the Wise and his Russkaya Pravda. Well, if someone imagines that the ancient Slavs lived in palaces, then this is only the problem of inadequate perception of the time and cultural level of the peoples of that time. The same is true of the illusion about "romantic" paganism. Even among the cultured Greeks and Romans, it was very unsightly. It is enough to imagine a hecatomb of a hundred bulls and all this dirt, and it immediately becomes uncomfortable. And this is a common cult practice. And it was even cooler. For example, in 216 BC at the Roman Forum, in connection with the advance of the Carthaginians of Hannibal, a couple of Gauls and a couple of Greeks were buried alive in order to appease the underground gods ...
    1. +5
      10 January 2017 11: 12
      Quote: libivs
      Discover Tacitus, Jordan, Procopius of Caesarea

      Ooh, they found the ultimate truth.
      Quote: libivs
      barbarian peoples

      If the memory does not fail, the barbarians meant roughly peoples who did not know Latin ... But this does not mean that from a civilizational point of view they are as backward as you want to convince everyone here.
      1. 0
        10 January 2017 11: 25
        Ancient Ukrainians also claim that they were so civilized that they dug up the Black Sea, but history, archeology, source studies and the whole range of auxiliary historical disciplines refute this. The same thing about the HIGH culture of the ancient Slavs. However, if you are a supporter of the Fomenko-Nosovsky theory, Tacitus and other authors are certainly not authorities ...
        1. +2
          10 January 2017 14: 59
          Quote: libivs
          The same thing about the HIGH culture of the ancient Slavs.

          My dear, if you saw Slavic artifacts of the pre-Christian era, you would not write such nonsense. There are little things more interesting than Scythian gold. By the way, the Hermitage is full of unique artifacts in the vaults; the Russian Orthodox Church doesn’t tell you to publicize it so as not to disgrace and not look blatantly false! And the written language in Russia appeared MUCH earlier than in the stained dirty geyrop.
          1. +1
            10 January 2017 15: 24
            Conspiracy theory?! Well, well ... So, finally present these very artifacts in order to shake the minds of the dark people. Only do not sniff fakes such as the Veles book. The Russian Orthodox Church does not order? Come on. If they had something to show, they would have presented it back in Soviet times. Writing? Again, to the ancient ukram. Those also claim to be the untold antiquity of Ukrainian folk art, so that nonsense is all the same anti-scientific nonsense that you dream about. And what about the "staged" Greeks and Romans, explain to me gray, why all sorts of Goths, vandals and our Slavic relatives gladly flocked to the "staged" ancient cities, and did not sit in their deeply civilized historical homeland?
            1. 0
              10 January 2017 22: 16
              Quote: libivs
              And what about the "staged" Greeks and Romans, explain to me gray, why all sorts of Goths, vandals and our Slavic relatives gladly flocked to the "staged" ancient cities, and did not sit in their deeply civilized historical homeland?

              From a school course from memory, perls are often because someone else from the east (the Great Migration of Peoples) is so-called on them, and not at all for
              Quote: libivs
              deeply civilized
              homeland
              Quote: libivs
              "staged" Greeks and Romans

              So, if you think that our relatives and other "barbarians" go there for enlightenment, civilization, then your
              Quote: libivs
              nonsense is all the same unscientific nonsense that you dream of.
              keep this one with you.
              1. 0
                11 January 2017 01: 28
                Perly, of course. Turks, Huns and others. But even these did not dwell on the wretchedness of the "civilization" of eastern and central Europe, promoted by God knows who, and did not slow down the pearls further. Let's guess where from three times? I’ll reveal, perhaps, an untold secret, but the barbarians were happy and very quickly accustomed to the benefits of civilization and did not feel any special nostalgia for the lost historical homeland from the word at all. What for them their sheds surrendered, when at their service entire cities like Carthage or Ravenna with amenities up to the sewerage system, sorry moa with urinals. From this, there is no trace of a desire to overwhelm the Empire tightly and reshape it for your "high" civilization. Rather, on the contrary, there was a desire to integrate into it, but on my preferential terms, like I do not want to be a noblewoman of the pillar and pay taxes, but I want to be the mistress of the sea, so that, on the contrary, they bring money to their loved ones ...
    2. +2
      10 January 2017 11: 14
      Quote: libivs
      about "romantic" paganism. Even among the cultured Greeks and Romans, it was very unsightly. It is enough to imagine a hecatomb of a hundred bulls and all this dirt, and it immediately becomes uncomfortable. And this is a common cult practice. And it was even cooler. For example, in 216 BC at the Roman Forum, in connection with the onset of the Carthaginians of Hannibal, a couple of Gauls and a couple of Greeks were buried alive in order to appease the underground gods ...

      and who told you that paganism was the same everywhere? They have their own gods, cults, rites, we have ours.
      1. +1
        10 January 2017 11: 30
        Pagan cults have one thing in common: a bloody human sacrifice. Somewhere more, somewhere less. Regardless of the national color. Among the Germans and Slavs in question, it was present absolutely precisely.
        1. +4
          10 January 2017 11: 53
          Quote: libivs
          bloody human sacrifice.

          omg ... Someone had seen enough of Gibson movies, huh?
          Quote: libivs
          Among the Germans and Slavs in question, it was present absolutely precisely.

          What are your docs? About animals, but I heard that in certain cases they were sacrificed, I haven’t read this about people anywhere.
          1. +1
            10 January 2017 12: 32
            Read Nestor.
          2. +1
            10 January 2017 12: 36
            Titus Livy: "The History of Rome from the Founding of the City". This is for the Romans. And what does Mel Gibson have to do with it? Since when has filmography become a historical source. According to the Slavs, there is evidence in the PVL, Titmar, Ibn Fadlan, Mauritius and others innumerable. Some rudiments survived even in the 19th century (Afanasyev describes a case in Belarus, when a grandmother was drowned during a drought)
            1. +1
              10 January 2017 13: 06
              You are a citizen, do not confuse isolated cases in individual tribes and villages with a whole system of sacrifice, such as among the Latin American Indians.
              1. +1
                10 January 2017 13: 35
                And what's the conclusion? Doesn't count once? What kind of kindergarten? And the cases are clearly not isolated, and extraordinary is not an excuse. Perhaps, in order to defeat American globalism, propose to bury an American with an American woman in Red Square, or, at worst, some barmaley with his wife? So, whatever one may say, our ancestors were not romantic Slavs from "Primordial Rus". They were the same as their neighbors, neither worse nor better.
  48. +2
    10 January 2017 10: 58
    Well, I’ve got to give tickets to my mother-in-law crying
    1. +3
      10 January 2017 11: 10
      Better look, it will be like a vaccine against the disease, immunity to such masterpieces will become stronger.
      1. 0
        10 January 2017 11: 19
        Thank you have not yet had time to give lol
  49. +5
    10 January 2017 11: 03
    Both the author and commentators, in my opinion, should splash out less emotions and look at the facts more.
    The first thing that catches your eye is a strong discrepancy with the story. I agree. But do not forget that everything is known in comparison and just in comparison with other similar films of this scale, especially Western ones, the film has the least number of historical schools. Outraged about dirt and blood - people, what age is it? Yes, everyone went dirty, unwashed and stinky as well. And the blood was pouring. And with your petitions about violence in the frame of animals, tell the children who live in the villages, help with the household, with other things like that. This is an element of life, and there is no getting away from it.
    Next is the budget. You can hear straight shouts about 1.250.000.000 but again, take it, convert it to dollars and get about 20 million dollars, which is 10 times less than the budget of the average blockbuster in the west. This is despite the fact that the cost of equipment and many other processes in the production of motion picture remains almost the same. This I tell you, as a person with a director's education. For such a scale, the budget is not very large. It can be seen that the lion's share went to the scenery, entourage and costumes. Although not everyone liked the film, most of them probably have a reason (unfortunately, the most important and important thing from the point of view of cinema is not mentioned in the article, because the work is rather weak just like a movie. With its script, editing, dramaturgy.), But This is a good step. If such steps are not taken, we will never have our own. I don’t know where you saw spit in the history of the Fatherland, but the degree of emotions should definitely be reduced

    P.S
    By the way, what's wrong with the fact that the film was heavily advertised? Put yourself in the shoes of the seller. If you've done something, you'll definitely want to buy it. This requires advertising. And if you had the opportunity, what would you do? That is that. And it's better to advertise "Viking" than these tattered nuggets "for 69 rubles."
    1. +3
      10 January 2017 12: 02
      What is it that I’m going to reduce emotions with? What is art for? - Arouse emotions. Receive, sign.
      Viking budget at ten! times more than Panfilov’s. Ten Karl! What is the process there?
      What is such a "good step"? If it's not bad, then there are no bad ones.
      Advertising is not bad. Bad is a scam.
      1. +2
        10 January 2017 12: 49
        Do not confuse emotions that arise when viewing, reading, or listening to anything with emotions that replace common sense in judgment. The budget is 10 times more than Panfilov’s, and so what? Panfilov’s, with all due respect, is not a film at all. Panfilov’s, rather, look like a long clip, in which there is no plot, script, heroes, history. In short, there are more stocks. This does not bother the majority just because it does not understand this, unfortunately, but has caught the topic of a relatively recent feat with a claim to entertainment. Well, such a plus sign that it’s withdrawn with national money - it gives a special spirit, a feeling that I indirectly, but participated in this. Do not agree? Well, I would love to see how such talented authors of Panfilov’s would realize the same story of Vladimir. It is not worth much effort to understand that half of the Viking would not work, because the scales are incommensurable.
        With your remarks, you once again show your unwillingness to listen and reason calmly. For you there is simply "bad, scam and Karl", but I like to put the situation on the shelves and understand the reasons for what is happening in order to judge later.
        1. 0
          10 January 2017 14: 37
          Quote: Voyager
          "Panfilovites" are like a long clip, in which there is no plot, script

          I agree with these. With the rest, no.
        2. +1
          10 January 2017 15: 00
          You can love anything, just scatter on the shelves you are exclusively in your imagination. You invent one nude at the junior school level and then follow another nude about her with a smart look. You do not need any understanding of labor, because you are not stupidly investing it. Charles. Sorry for your dumbass time. Good luck.
          1. +2
            10 January 2017 15: 12
            The paragraph is written, only blank. Well, the insults went. A typical reaction is when they do not know what to answer.
    2. +1
      10 January 2017 15: 06
      Quote: Voyager
      Outraged about dirt and blood - people, what age is it? Yes, everyone went dirty, unwashed and stinky as well.

      You should at least go to the museum if you are too lazy to read before you carry such nonsense.
      Even before PX in Russia there was no such disgrace.
      Perhaps in geyrop, but the Slavic culture did not allow this.
      Urgent to the library, otherwise it’s funny and sad!
      1. +1
        10 January 2017 15: 17
        Quote: Volzhanin
        Even before PX in Russia there was no such disgrace.

        What was it?
        Quote: Volzhanin
        Would you even go to the museum

        In which?
        Quote: Volzhanin
        Urgently to the library

        What do you propose to read? I wonder what kind of letters we have left since then ..

        Quote: Volzhanin
        but Slavic culture did not allow this.

        Didn’t allow what? Kills and enmities? Or maybe the Slavs simply did not wallow dirt under their feet and blood did not flow from the wounds? Hmm, maybe there was no hunting and the Slavs were vegetarians? And also say that sex was not in its gross manifestations. I'm not even funny, just sad)
      2. 0
        10 January 2017 15: 27
        Yes, it’s in the library ... give the kind authors whom you appeal to. Chur, Fomenkovtsev not offer.
  50. +6
    10 January 2017 11: 09
    ... Iso no - one chamber ... Where would it come from? Pushkin, it seems ...
    ----------------
    What am I doing? The buildings were outraged - some sheds, instead of normal huts and chambers (for princes, squads, posadniks and te te ...).
    In our times, good carpenters four of them erect a large five-wall hut in a day, in 10 hours ... And the good ones? When is this business usual? Like, they said - a crowd of men of 20 people set up the village in 2-3 days! And it was half empty - "for the future", unpopulated huts!
    Of course, the posadnikovs - not to mention the princes - are at home ("chambers"), it takes longer (to dry wood there, to process) longer. Forests in Russia have always been in bulk, pine-birch is a sweet thing! And building a hut from a damp forest - smolny - is not a sin either! It will not dry out, the crowns will sit in place after 4-5 archways ...
  51. +6
    10 January 2017 11: 09
    The bitter truth is that the kosher yoke has not yet ended and they rule the roost, especially through the media. And all this is aimed at educating young people. They did the same thing 100 years ago. The main thing is that they cannot erase God from the Russian heart as long as we are with God. Merry Christmas!
  52. 0
    10 January 2017 11: 24
    Quote: libivs
    Well, if someone imagines that the ancient Slavs lived in palaces,
    And who lived in them?
    1. +1
      10 January 2017 12: 47
      Nobody lived. They did not yet know how to build stone ones, but the king and his retinue needed wooden palaces later, with the advent of serious state institutions. So what to do? The mores of our ancestors are harsh in their simplicity. Why does the king need a mansion when all his happiness is at the edge of the sword and in military glory, which makes competitors in the robbery industry tremble?
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        1. 0
          10 January 2017 17: 02
          This is from the point of view of modern man, and then people were simpler... By the way, the Greeks and Romans also did not understand their northern barbarian neighbors, but this very primitive simplicity aroused sincere admiration among them, spoiled by civilization, people, including their own historical memory of harsh times " The Iliad" or the Republican Dawn of Rome. After all, by and large, Odysseus or Romulus and Remus are the same Alaric, Attila and Vladimir with their squads and were engaged in the same craft - robbing neighbors and building a state.
          1. +2
            10 January 2017 17: 46
            Quote: libivs
            This is from the point of view of a modern person, but then people were simpler...

            So, the princely squad was sleeping under the trees in the forest? All your life? I wonder if Penelope was also waiting for Odysseus under the bush? smile Even if the prince did not need a luxurious mansion, he could not do without functional ones. And the princely court, as representing power and military strength, had many functions. And, since the prince and his squad are, first of all, military people, the order must be appropriate. Even taking into account the rather different concepts of discipline of those times and ours.
            1. +2
              10 January 2017 20: 43
              Quote: bot.su
              I wonder if Penelope was also waiting for Odysseus under the bush?

              I protest smile What kind of bush is there...
              Having brought Athena to the rich armchairs, skillfully made,
              He invited her to sit in them, covering them in front with a patterned
              Fabric; there was a bench there for the feet; then he put
              A carved chair for yourself, away from others, so that the guest
              The noise of the wildly merry crowd did not spoil the dinner,
              Also, to secretly ask him about his distant father.
              Then she brought a silver hand to wash with it
              A golden washstand full of cold water, slave,
              Gladky then moved the table; put it on him
              Bread homely housekeeper with various edibles, from stock
              Given by her willingly; on dishes, raising them high,
              The villager brought various meats and, offering it to them,
              He placed golden cups on the brass table in front of them
              1. +1
                12 January 2017 02: 57
                Quote: Odyssey
                Having brought Athena to the rich armchairs, skillfully made,
                He invited her to sit in them, covering them in front with a patterned
                Fabric

                For some reason I thought so! hi drinks
  53. +8
    10 January 2017 11: 27
    It is obvious that the film destroyed many people’s pastoral idea of ​​the ancient Motherland. Where is the prince with a light brow in a ceremonial cloak, where are the combed ancient Russians playing chaturanga in bright chambers? Where are the great architectural monuments?
    Dear, Vikings occupied thrones in more than one Rus' in that dark era, and the rulers only under the pen of the chronicler were soft and meek. I didn’t like the film, well, what can I do? Medinsky, of course, has nothing to do with culture and science, so think about it he was able to get up like that. I won’t say anything about Ernst—I don’t watch TV and am free from all these “blue lights” both on weekdays and on holidays. I only know that he is homosexual.
  54. +2
    10 January 2017 11: 30
    If I were the director, I would prohibit the filming of historical films in the Russian Federation. But Medinsky and Ernst can’t help but film, and it’s impossible not to watch their products. We'll have to watch. And cry.
    1. 0
      11 January 2017 14: 50
      You will immediately wish for the revival of the Gulag, and the appointment of yourself there as a guard.
      1. 0
        11 January 2017 16: 21
        Quote: av58
        You will immediately wish for the revival of the Gulag,

        Ah, everything is clear with you. During perestroika, you were bitten by members of the editorial board of Ogonyok. lol
  55. fix
    +7
    10 January 2017 11: 37
    By the way, cries against censorship of “creativity” are legitimate when they “create” for their own money. And if at state expense, censorship is very appropriate.
    P.S. Something about “primordial Rus'” came to mind. The budget is probably modest, but the viewing did not cause rejection. Maybe because I read it before the movie.
    1. +2
      10 January 2017 17: 20
      As a patriotic movie aimed at educating modern youth, “Primordial Rus'” is certainly a very high-quality product with a whole constellation of actors. I. Smoktunovsky (Emperor Justinian the Great) alone is worth something. To be honest, in childhood we ourselves played Russians and Khazars. But from the point of view of historical truth, it is erroneous, replete with a mass of chronological inconsistencies and simply blunders. Well, for example, clearly, the Romans had no time for the Antes, he set himself the task of de facto reintegration (de jure it remained united) into the Empire of the lost West... “Viking” rather has the goal of maximizing the viewer’s immersion in the era, in the real life and thoughts of people of that time, so this comparison is somewhat incorrect. This is something like an attempt at artistic reconstruction of everyday aspects of early feudal Rus' and nothing more.
      1. 0
        10 January 2017 18: 57
        "Primordial Rus'" is certainly a very high-quality product with a whole constellation of actors.

        It would be better to go this route)))
  56. +1
    10 January 2017 11: 39
    I can’t say anything about the film, but my friends’ reviews of the film are unsatisfactory. But, there was a contingent through one in the reconstruction or was or is to this day, so they look through the prism of knowledge of the material.
  57. +6
    10 January 2017 11: 45
    I think this film had an influential (hidden) patron and customer in the person of the Yeltsin Center team. After all, it was necessary to confirm the video that greets you at the entrance to this grandiose building. Now we know for sure that from time immemorial on Russian soil there was only dirt, lust and complete darkness.
    1. +2
      10 January 2017 15: 07
      Surely the Masons tried
    2. +1
      11 January 2017 16: 45
      Vladimir65 Yesterday, 11:45
      I think this film had an influential (hidden) patron and customer in the person of the Yeltsin Center team. After all, it was necessary to confirm the video that greets you at the entrance to this grandiose building. Now we know for sure that from time immemorial on Russian soil there was only dirt, lust and complete darkness

      You are right dear "Vladimir65"!
      After viewing this “dubious masterpiece”, your phrase: “Now we know for sure that from time immemorial on Russian soil there was only dirt, lust and complete darkness“will clearly help to explain and complement why the “golden youth” and young (under 40 years old) people, GREAT RUSSIA, are called “Rashka”. After all, such a distortion of the HISTORY of Rus' naturally leads instead of "FEELING PRIDE in your country" к "emergence of shame for "Rashka".
  58. +5
    10 January 2017 12: 05
    The film for instilling patriotism in Russia is harmful and, it seems to me, not truthful, since Gardarika - a country of a thousand cities could not be so unkempt.
  59. +1
    10 January 2017 12: 07
    Watched. The film does not pretend to copy historical facts. Do we have many people who know the past? In their youth, they admired Cleopatra and the 300 Spartans, Spartacus and the gladiator...And how many of their own historical films were filmed in the USSR? I would really like for films (even if not everyone likes the quality, plot, acting, etc.) to ATTRACT people, not to be lazy, to look at their ORIGINS! Is it that bad??? I remember that earlier, when a film was made based on a significant event, there was a boom in the library - they grabbed books by the author of the film adaptation and everything connected with a particular era. So, this time I don’t agree with Roman’s opinion.
    1. PPD
      +3
      10 January 2017 12: 46
      When the consultant is Petrukhin, and the main goal is to make money, the result is logical.
      Well, if
      Quote: Michael55
      The film does not pretend to copy historical facts.

      then there is no need to pass it off as the history of Rus'.
      P.S. I read the chronicles, if these are the origins, then the Volga flows into the Pacific Ocean.
  60. +3
    10 January 2017 12: 21
    It's a pity for the money for the ticket. I'll wait until the film becomes available. This is not the first time I have read a review in this vein. I'll try not to be biased when watching it. In general, a bad trend has begun: the more money is pumped in, the louder the advertising, the more you feel deceived after watching another “masterpiece”...
    Again I want to wish that a Ministry of Propaganda appears in the country...
  61. +3
    10 January 2017 12: 29
    Damn, when will everyone understand that up there they are in the same harness. Everyone, including the Darkest One.
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    1. +1
      10 January 2017 14: 37
      They won't turn it off! One crow.
    2. 0
      10 January 2017 15: 08
      This is a film about how he lived in paganism
  63. PPD
    +1
    10 January 2017 12: 40
    On New Year's holidays we went to see the Odyssey. Viking didn’t even have a thought.
    Then I looked at reviews on the Internet. I also looked at the reviews about the Viking achievement, however-
    out of 280 or so reviews -250 or more for 1 and 2.
    In the same Odyssey, out of about 130 negatives, there were 2 or 3 voices.
    Arrived.
  64. +4
    10 January 2017 12: 42
    These types are not just a disgrace, they are our enemies.
    1. 0
      10 January 2017 16: 29
      I mean Erns and company. Maybe not enemies. But the fact that Russian culture and Mr. Ernst’s company are different concepts is for sure. For them, the main thing is money, not the artistry of the film. They need people to grab it today and bring back the loot. And then at least the grass won’t grow.
  65. +2
    10 January 2017 12: 56
    And this “throwaway” is not the first!
    There was also a “duelist” - with garbage-gangster Petersburg (he pissed at a couple of men dragging the same bag of a pound and a half through the mud from corner to corner...)
  66. +1
    10 January 2017 12: 58
    I’ll wait for Bazhenov’s review and decide whether to watch it or not
  67. +3
    10 January 2017 13: 06
    I read a hundred. I read the comments and now I’ve definitely decided to watch the film, I’m a smart person and I can draw my own conclusions, but for those who aren’t smart, they won’t read the article and won’t register on this site, so all this writing of yours is in vain.
    1. +2
      10 January 2017 16: 23
      It doesn't hurt to take a look. You can draw your own conclusions. I did.
  68. +3
    10 January 2017 13: 24
    Well, okay, citizen commentators... Everyone’s view of modern cinema is subjective and everyone has the right to their opinion. Personally, I didn’t see anything in the film, for the most part, that contradicted historical sources. Of course there are nuances. Naturalism, blood, dirt should be left to documentary films, but this is not necessary for a feature film, especially with a category of 12+. But I have a negative attitude towards the article itself. Another opus in the field of combating “crispiness”. All. which diverges from the author’s trend is unacceptable and is a dangerous heresy and slander against the “historical truth.” The author evaluates in everything only a purely propaganda effect, in which the audience will be able to indulge in thoughts and feelings characteristic of himself. However, this is his opinion and his right. The director of the film did not set himself such tasks, and this, in his opinion, is his main sin. In general, dear friends, regarding the veracity of the film, I recommend turning to F. Engels and his work “The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State.” There you will find a lot of useful information about the era of the so-called formation touched upon by the film. barbarian kingdoms and early feudalism..
  69. +4
    10 January 2017 13: 25
    Quote: Voyager
    Panfilov's men are rather like a long video clip, in which there is no plot, script, characters, history

    Excuse me, my friend, how is it that there is no history in Panfilovtsev, this film is precisely on a historical theme. And for those who doubt their existence, on the same site in the “History” section there was an article about 11 people who stopped the Germans in the same area. With documents and a monument to heroes.
    1. 0
      10 January 2017 15: 32
      You understood me wrong. There is no history from a point of view, a historical “film” or not. But from the point of view of the script, there is no story, no development, no beginning and no end. Or rather, of course they exist, but they are so unremarkable that they are almost absent. We are Panfilov's people. The task is to fight to the death. With difficulty, but they survived. That's it, period. In cinema there are laws of dramaturgy; there is not even internal growth or any change in the characters.

      That’s why it’s difficult to call Panfilovtsev a film at all. Viking (I still call him Varyag to myself) is also not without problems with the script and editing, and some of the shots are so-so. In some places it is clear that either there was not enough money, or some scenes simply did not turn out as originally planned and we had to make do with what we had. But in general, it still has a beginning, a turning point, an end. There is a main character, and not only that. It’s blurry, not ideal, and maybe not even reliable, but there is a transition from one state to another.
    2. 0
      10 January 2017 15: 45
      As a result, I will add that I in no way question the existence of the Panfilov’s feat.
  70. +3
    10 January 2017 13: 34
    It’s high time our people learned: If they advertise diligently on TV, don’t go.....
  71. +1
    10 January 2017 13: 40
    Are you a historian or something to evaluate the authenticity of the film? To me, you're just ignorant. Moreover, he brought a fairy tale film about Panfilov’s men.
  72. +2
    10 January 2017 13: 41
    Well... The FB "masterpiece" "GRAVITY" will soon be released on screens.... I feel it will be cooler than an inhabited island... And the budget there is probably like that of "Viking"... The whole problem is that our Directors began to pursue the beauty of 3D and special effects. And the script and acting are the last. The only TROUBLE is that this doesn’t work with Russians...
    We have different values...
    Good day!
  73. +3
    10 January 2017 13: 59
    It’s bad that the negativity went towards incorrect coverage of medieval Rus'. Prince Vladimir, as before, although dirty, is on a white horse. And the fact that he is an apostate and fratricide...? It doesn't matter. Especially for these times. And it was possible to beat this. Japan and China were also under the pressure of Christianity.. So what? Where are they and where are we?
    So, the main thing is the degree of “venality” of a particular community. Not all of them, of course. Its sufficient and elite composition and the layer that feeds it. And everything else is a veneer of gloss that this ruling elite cares about. Including such Vikings.
  74. +5
    10 January 2017 14: 09
    Yes Roman, cool, honest and brave. I have the honor.
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  76. +1
    10 January 2017 14: 15
    Interestingly, I did it: My wife and I went to the cinema, there were two options: “Viking” and “Passengers”. There was only one seat for "Passengers", but we begged for a chair and watched science fiction... In general, I did not regret that I had to "squirm" on the chair. The next day I sent my child to see this fantasy, but they didn’t get tickets - they went to see “Viking”... They came and shared their impressions: the film is gloomy, they shout all the time and are dirty...
    Today, after reading the article, I realized I didn’t want to go to the cinema to see this film. I’ll watch it sometime on TV or online, for general development, as they say. If I remember...
  77. +4
    10 January 2017 14: 29
    Regarding the “I didn’t look but I condemn it” account. I haven't watched it and won't!

    ...no desire either. I read the comments on different resources - everything is the same striped and there are more abusive comments, but I’m talking about something else. Both “tired”, “Stalingrad” and now “Viking”, the noise on resources of the same kind seems to come from the “people watching”, full of emotions. And then “reasonable” comments appear, such as those from the people or experts (more like those from the sofa), saying that there is no need to get excited, the story is replete with gaps, this is still a feature film... One inevitably gets the feeling of a farce being created (by whom?), like in a student skit, when a banal (everyday or simply insignificant) topic is proposed and dealt with according to the regulations of the scientific council. And here, with this film, the feeling is the same. We can be indignant, either with a mediocre film, or with evil intent... and time passes, steam (the masses) comes out, but it’s not funny like a skit - that’s all a fool! And they either want to make fools out of us, or they take us for fools!
    But with the “Panfilovites” it’s the other way around! The emotions of the “people who are watching” are superimposed on all resources by scientific articles appearing by “men of great scientists” who doubt the true historical interpretation of this feat, and some go further - “was there a FEAT itself?” The “learned men” have their doubts and polemicize among themselves in a protocol, scientific way... in general, again a skit and a fool...
    And again, like hundreds of years ago, they are trying to convince us that we are barbarians and “unwashed Russia”
    Again I want to wish that a Ministry of Propaganda appears in the country...

    ....maybe this is necessary? After all, the war, apparently, is going on... and it is going on for the minds of our children.
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  79. +7
    10 January 2017 14: 32
    “Messrs. Medinsky, Ernst and Kravchuk are a disgrace to our culture. Although, if such people are in culture, the question is the very existence of it.”
    The truth has been spoken!
    There is no culture and not even a cult!
    There is Satanism in its various forms!
  80. +1
    10 January 2017 14: 54
    How can you talk about this film if people in those days had a different language? Which actor knows him? From the audience?
    For the author’s reference, not a single megalithic structure has been found on the territory of Russia. So what’s wrong when people lived in harmony with nature. They were excellent warriors and defenders. Not to mention fortitude.
    The film will be understood only by the Orthodox, in principle, for us and designed for 1000 years already.
    Archeology and history are the path to enlightenment. Something that is not given enough attention in our society. I propose to make an RTV + history channel from ort.
    Ps. Viking and Assassin's Creed have the same ideology. Several civilizations collided...1. Egyptian 2. Let's say Arabic is the killer's creed. Viking - Egyptian and northern.
  81. +5
    10 January 2017 15: 01
    Why be surprised? Everything fits into the concept outlined, among other things, by our dear patriarch. They say that the Slavs, that is, our ancestors, before the adoption of Christianity were half people and half animals.
    Back in 2014, in November, an exhibition dedicated to the Rurikovichs was held with pomp in the Manege. There was also advertising - it could not have been wider: new interactive technologies, the latest historical research and all that... In short, the people flocked. I, too, could not resist then and visited just on the “Day of National Unity.” Waited in a long line. I hoped to see something really new, some new facts from the ancient history of our country. However... The first thing that alerted me was the banner on which it was reported that this exhibition was being held under the patronage of the Patriarchate. Okay, let's go to the exhibition. I don’t know about anyone, but in my opinion, any exhibition presupposes the presence of at least some exhibits, some historical artifacts, since the topic is appropriate. There was practically no such thing there. What happened? Posters on the walls interspersed with portraits and quotes, diluted with light installations. The situation was eerily reminiscent of either a red corner or an agitation center. After going through the first three halls, only one desire appeared - to quickly get out of this nightmare labyrinth. Now about impressions. What new could be learned from the history of our Motherland at this event? Apart from a small poster dedicated to the excavations of ancient Arkaim, there is practically nothing. The same “old songs about the main thing” about “the Novgorodians called on the Varangians to rule in Rus'” and about “the Tatars came to Rus' with their yoke.” A separate room dedicated to the pre-Christian past of the Slavs: a small nook in a red-crimson light, a video is playing on the walls in which crowds of some wild freaks are shaking in some unimaginable dances to an ear-splitting cacaphony. There are also quotes from some historical “authorities” about polygamy and almost cannibalism among the ancient Slavs, supposedly “spoiled by paganism.” Next came the Rurikovichs. What is characteristic is that here, too, the visitor is given a clear understanding that those descendants of Rurik who accepted Christianity are definitely wise, progressive rulers, while others, i.e., pagans, are cruel, greedy, bloody, in short, bad. In general, everything is like that.
    I left this “dupe” with a feeling of being spat upon and resentful for my ancestors, for the distorted history of our people.
    You think that's all. Not at all. There, in the Manege, on the second floor, there was a concert of some children's and youth amateur folk group. I decided to look there and listen, to at least get away a little from the depressing impression. I came in. The team turned out to be from Ukraine, again under the patronage of some monastery or parish there. The guys sang, danced, well, I must say, they tried. Everyone is wearing embroidered shirts. The repertoire is mainly modern Ukrainian and everything is in Ukrainian. Moreover, with a patriotic slant, i.e. about our beloved Ukraine. Quite sincerely. And then a certain mother spoke - either a nun or an abbess - and called on everyone present to pray for “a united and indivisible Ukraine.” Everything would be fine, but it all happened in the center of Moscow, two steps from the Kremlin. When in Ukraine itself at the same time the same boys and girls were jumping shouting “Moscow on knives!” This is “unity and reconciliation”.
    So the appearance of such crafts, such as this “Viking”, is quite natural. I don't think there's more crap in store to brainwash us. Wait in all cinemas across the country or in exhibition halls.
    1. +1
      10 January 2017 22: 28
      Quote: aviator65
      A separate room dedicated to the pre-Christian past of the Slavs: a small nook in a red-crimson light, a video is playing on the walls in which crowds of some wild freaks are shaking in some unimaginable dances to an ear-splitting cacaphony. There are also quotes from some historical “authorities” about polygamy and almost cannibalism among the ancient Slavs, supposedly “spoiled by paganism.” Next came the Rurikovichs. What is characteristic is that here, too, the visitor is given a clear understanding that those descendants of Rurik who accepted Christianity are definitely wise, progressive rulers, while others, i.e., pagans, are cruel, greedy, bloody, in short, bad. In general, everything is like that.

      That's what we're talking about. And here at VO, it turns out, there are a bunch of adherents and fanatics of such a story... I wonder if they really believe in it or are working on it?
      Quote: aviator65
      Quite sincerely. And then a certain mother spoke - either a nun or an abbess - and called on everyone present to pray for “a united and indivisible Ukraine.” Everything would be fine, but it all happened in the center of Moscow, two steps from the Kremlin. When in Ukraine itself at the same time the same boys and girls were jumping shouting “Moscow-lei on knives!” This is “unity and reconciliation”.

      Oh, this “our” church, it’s obvious that it won’t sell or betray...
      1. +1
        11 January 2017 01: 15
        Quote: CorvusCoraks
        I wonder if they really believe this or practice it?

        I think it's true. At the same exhibition, on the way out, I looked into the guest book and couldn’t resist leaving a note there about what I thought about this event. Out of curiosity, I leafed through and looked at the recordings. There was a lot of excitement there! Like: “Oh, how great! It was so interesting! But it turns out we didn’t know a lot! Thank you!” And a lot of things like that. But what? This is all from our native Russian Orthodox Church. But she won’t lie. Yes, and the country’s leadership approves of this. So why not believe?
  82. +2
    10 January 2017 15: 15
    Quote: Odyssey
    As for the film, the standard Russophobian der..mo. Moreover, filmed for state money and actively advertised on the first state channel of the country.

    So where is Putin the hero leading us?
    1. +1
      10 January 2017 22: 29
      Still, you don’t need to blame everything on him, he is not the only person in charge of everything.
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  84. +2
    10 January 2017 15: 31
    To be honest... I poop on commercial films because I don’t have a burning desire for someone to poke around in my pocket... I prefer “classics”, films that I want to watch again and again... Our cinema, although what is it like ours, if everything Hollywood standards suck, 7% are still watchable, and the rest...... There are no words...
  85. 0
    10 January 2017 15: 37
    Quote: bocsman
    Regarding the “I didn’t look but I condemn it” account. I haven't watched it and won't!

    "Let's argue about the taste of oranges with those who have eaten them"
    Well, why don’t I just say “I won’t”? You don’t have to go to the cinema and donate money to hated authors. There are torrents, you can look there.
    Well, at least for the sake of discussing not on the basis of someone else’s opinion (expressed, by the way, also exclusively for money).
    We are adults, I hope, and not a zombie herd? Can we formulate our own opinion about the subject?
    Otherwise, it will turn out like in the old Soviet joke:
    -The Beatles have arrived, will you go?
    - I didn’t like it.
    -Have you already walked?
    - For what? Gogi sang to me...

    These "gogs" will sing to you, no doubt about it. How do you know what their goal is when they pour their opinions into your ears?
  86. +3
    10 January 2017 15: 39
    Personally, it was enough for me that Kozlovsky starred. I also didn’t pay money for this at the cinema...
  87. +4
    10 January 2017 15: 41
    There is a fable by Krylov. “And you friends, no matter how you sit down, you’re not fit to be musicians.”
    This can be said to absolutely all modern filmmakers. There is no need to torture yourself and the audience. There is no need to touch history, the classics, or the military theme. This is not given to you. Film yourself soap operas and other nonsense about streets of broken lamps.
  88. +2
    10 January 2017 15: 54
    Thanks for the criticism - I’ll save my free time for more useful leisure. I’ll read Karamzin and laugh with Oles Buzina
  89. +3
    10 January 2017 15: 59
    It turned out not to be a Viking, but a fak. But the hysteria about record box office receipts does not subside. Some people like to show the story in such a far-fetched form.
  90. 0
    10 January 2017 16: 01
    I haven’t seen the film myself, so I personally will refrain from drawing conclusions about the quality of the film. However, such a number of negative reviews, from completely different people, converging on key points, suggests that the reviews are most likely right.

    Well, alas, I wasn’t even going to expect any kind of quality with our cinema. Has the money been allocated? Highlighted. Mastered? Mastered. Well, if anyone is dissatisfied or the film does not pay for itself, then this is not the problem of those who made it, but of the state that allocated money for it and consider it lost. This is one of the reasons why a lot of bad films are made. One of many reasons.
    1. +1
      10 January 2017 16: 25
      Most likely, this is the case, when you spend your own money, and not government money, then one way or another, you try to do it without harming yourself, which means what you try to do to make the film sell. And because it was promoted as historical, then it must correspond to history, and not to the vision of the life of our ancestors, through the eyes of our haters.
      1. 0
        11 January 2017 01: 01
        Exactly. If the state issues money on a non-refundable basis, then there is no need to work it off.

        However, it is worth noting that they make terrible films (usually comedies in the sense of American comedies made by Russians with jokes about excrement and so on) that completely pay for themselves. As an example, you can remember Enjoy Movies with their comedies that really sell.

        So, alas, there are many reasons why bad movies are made.
    2. 0
      11 January 2017 14: 56
      "...such a number of negative reviews, from completely different people, converging on key points, suggests that the reviews are most likely right..."
      Why did you decide that? The one who squeals the loudest is probably not a critic, but just a pig. See for yourself and form your own opinion.
      1. +1
        11 January 2017 16: 26
        Quote: av58
        See for yourself and form your own opinion.

        Screw it! There is no need to be like the viewers of “The Royal Giraffe” and be sure to check with your own forehead the rake that many have already had enough of.

        Although, did you go to see this film yourself? Where is your personal laudatory review? How can you vouch for its artistic value?

        Sign a legally binding obligation to pay all moral damages for watching the film recommended by you - and then give such advice, okay? laughing
  91. +2
    10 January 2017 16: 02
    no story there
  92. +1
    10 January 2017 16: 15
    Quote: bot.su
    What are seven years old? Filmed a little over a year. Seven years with the idea rushed. Oh, these lawyers ...

    --------------------------------
    As reviewers wrote, during this time the West filmed the brilliant “Game of Thrones” saga over several seasons, which is already beginning to be forgotten.
  93. +3
    10 January 2017 16: 19
    I watched this creation, since it cannot be called a feature film, on the second of January with my wife and her sister. Complete disappointment and rejection. For starters, the name of the creation is Viking. This is about the Russian Prince Vladimir. Therefore, the authors tell us that he is a Viking. Something is wrong with their head. They either drank alcohol or snorted coke. And in general, the screenwriter had to read history and know for certain that in Rus' they spoke of hired Scandinavians not as Vikings, but as Varangians. There is no such word Viking in our chronicles. The rest is a complete disaster, and not a film, sorry, a creation. From the point of view of the artistry of the film, there is no artistry, it’s a set of pictures, the acting is no acting, the screenwriter’s work is a script I could write in a day. In general, it sucks for a lot of money and seven years of filming. Shame of Russian cinematography. But Mr. Erns and the company are probably happy. What does artistry and the opinion of the audience have to do with it? This is business. The money was cut and recaptured and glory to the creator.
  94. +3
    10 January 2017 16: 20
    Aggressive intrusive advertising, which did not contain more than one intelligible episode, saved me from visiting this masterpiece. The President needs to be more careful and keep his distance from untalented artisans. So it’s not far from advertising pizza.
  95. +3
    10 January 2017 16: 37
    And today Mara Baghdasaryan and her lawyer have visited all of Russia. It’s not a matter of nationality. I have many adequate acquaintances, from Jews to Kabardians. It's about the Bagdasaryans, Medinskys, Ernsts and the like.
  96. +5
    10 January 2017 16: 38
    I watched the film. Just on January 1st. On a completely sober head. I felt sick for a long time. In the armchair. But I watched it.
    My wife encouraged me to leave. But I decided to watch to the end, and what if.......
    Not fused.
    And then, two or three days passed. And it hit me.
    Not in the sense that I appreciated the film. This is, in fact, not even a film. These are essays on ancient history before the adoption of Christianity in Rus'. As it is set out in the Tale of Bygone Years. And in the writings of the current hierarchs.
    Of course, enough work has been done. For “watermelon” with a quarter of “lemon”, I don’t know. I didn't look at the estimate. But, taking into account filming for seven years, and traveling around cities and villages, making decorations and other things, it may well cost that much.
    It’s a shame for Ernst to just steal small things. He was allowed to design the Games in Sochi, and this is significant.
    Moreover, DIRT... yes, yes, unimaginable dirt in the entire film. And I think how many more takes there were - but it’s all in the dirt. How long did they have to fight with the mud? Yes, with injuries to stuntmen, understudies, actors, poor horses.
    A third of the budget was spent on DIRT alone. Maybe.
    Well, according to the very idea - twitchy episodes from PVL (The Tale of Bygone Years) are in no way logically connected with each other. Fragment-piece type of logic. It works very poorly for me. Apparently, you need to take a sip from that tub where fly agaric mushrooms were constantly cooked in the film - maybe coherence will appear. And even then, it’s unlikely.
    There is NO coherent script.
    There is NO ideological load.
    The title and topic have nothing to do with each other.
    And - a lot of dirt. In all senses. Both in episodes of a sexual nature and in any others. So what's the conclusion?
    DIRT, it is dirt. To our ancestors.
    .....
    And here, particularly zealous, advanced “historians” do not need to rely on all sorts of Procopius of Caesarea and the rest of the Flavians. For some reason, nothing remains of “our” manuscripts except some nonsense, and even then, “they called in the Varangians, Rus' who...”. What remains of the foreign writings? Yes, the same dirt again. To our ancestors.
    The most amazing thing is that Arab authors write about a completely different existence and worldview in Rus' at that time. And they don’t write anything about dirt. Why would that be?
    So, when saying that there are no sources left about that time, there is no need to drag in fabrications and fakes of traditional history. Everything that defames the Slavs is available. Everything that says otherwise has not been preserved. It doesn’t happen that way, “historians”.
    So what's the result?
    The film is not a film. And the job is done. And the funds have been spent. And considering that capitalists won’t just pay for it, it means that someone really needed it. so that this particular DIRT gets onto the screens. During the New Year holidays.
    And all business.
    At this point other specialists would get down to business. On supervision of the constitution, let's say.
    1. +4
      10 January 2017 17: 24
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      So, when saying that there are no sources left about that time, there is no need to drag in fabrications and fakes of traditional history. Everything that defames the Slavs is available. Everything that says otherwise has not been preserved. It doesn’t happen that way, “historians”.

      Well said! For some reason, this truth does not reach the majority of the population, for whom such “masterpieces” are intended.
      1. +1
        11 January 2017 16: 57
        aviator65 Yesterday, 17:24 ↑
        Quote: Bashibuzuk
        So, when saying that there are no sources left about that time, there is no need to drag in fabrications and fakes of traditional history. Everything that defames the Slavs is available. Everything that says otherwise has not been preserved. It doesn’t happen that way, “historians”.

        Well said! Pfor some reason this truth does not reach the majority of the population, for which such “masterpieces” are designed.


        I join your opinion with the quoted authors "aviator65" and "Bashibazuk"! I can't put it better.
        Michael.
  97. +2
    10 January 2017 16: 49
    Oh Roman, Roman!
    Why was such an article written?
    I definitely wouldn’t go that way, but what kind of blockbuster plot could Ernst write?
    Kuram laughs.
    Now you have to watch.
    I have a rule: if a film evokes a strong emotional response from the audience, you should watch it.
    At least to avoid getting into the “I haven’t watched it, but I’ll tell you” situation
    1. +1
      10 January 2017 23: 27
      Not worth it. If you want, then be patient until it appears online; it’s not worth spending money on tickets.
  98. +2
    10 January 2017 16: 50
    Of course, the film is judged by the audience, but I would forbid schoolchildren from watching it. Historical accuracy, of course, is zero!!!
  99. +6
    10 January 2017 16: 52
    I haven’t watched it, but to criticize - I love it)))). I'm actually surprised - WHAT DID YOU WANT? The commercial already showed that they made a CLASSIC HISTORY - the 90s. The real story is not known to many people, and only in fragments. Therefore, the film was made for the common man. And that the Jews showed us as barbarians - this is normal for them))).- and. HONOR. And the fact that they filmed a village is GOOD, SO THE FILM WOULD COST MORE))). As long as we have JEWS in our culture, WE WILL RECEIVE AT THE OUTPUT - X......Y))). wassat
  100. +1
    10 January 2017 16: 55
    The film "The Duelist" is on the same level. I got the impression that in Russia it is always dirty and rainy, and that everyone is fighting a duel with each other.
    In general - nonsense.
    1. 0
      11 January 2017 10: 18
      Quote: Reporter
      I got the impression that Russia is always dirty and rainy

      That’s why I don’t come to St. Petersburg - it’s always dirty and rainy there, it seems like nothing. In winter, sometimes everything can be covered with snowdrifts.