Really, where are we going?

On the eve of 2017, Zakhar Prilepin published a small but capacious essay “Where we go? This is a reflection on our old question, “What do you think?” In our current realities. Because there is, writes Prilepin, “a sense of fracture in our mind. Who are we? Where are we? ”And there are people expressing it.

Some offer to build the USSR - 2, an improved version, of course. Others offer other state systems that strive for perfection, and this is indeed a rift in the mind. Or still contrived problems?

In general, this is an existential question that faces people at all times, since the times of “camo ridge”, and therefore it is normal. It is quite normal for every generation to think about this issue. But today's feeling of his "fault", like a rock hovering over a country, of its existence - from our Soviet past, by the way. It still does not let us go.

Soviet time demanded every participation in it, and gave everyone an unequivocal and great answer to this question: We are building a communist society, the most advanced society on earth! Today there is no need to build anything great ... And many are visited by the existential question: how is that? How can we live without ... a national idea! For some reason, this very “idea” is connected in the minds of many with a certain large and tangible goal, and a great construction — this feeling has been inherited from the era of socialism.

“We feel a split in reality,” continues Prilepin, one “Russia is fighting today” on the fronts of the hot and cold hybrid war with the West, and the other ... continues “meaningless fuss in top programs.”

... This split began in the 2014 year, when everyone clearly felt that tectonic shifts were taking place, the symbol of which was “Krymnash” - the epicenter of the newest stories, the identification marker “yours is a stranger”, and the Rubicon, which divided whole epochs. He separated the post-Crimean people from those "who saw" Krymnash "in the grave, fighting under Debaltseve and in Syria." Perhaps, for Russia, the 21st century began in 2014.

... When the US made a coup in Libya, and fanned the Arab Spring, the notorious Senator McCain addressed Vladimir Putin directly: “I am coming to you, Vladimir!” By the way, these words were not without meaning: McCain heads the Institute of Difficulty in Santa Fe (USA ), the headquarters of the color revolutions, which then marched through the Middle East. But McCain only got to Kiev, and received a rebuff in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Having repulsed itself from the Crimean Mountains, Russia, despite all the provocations of the West, and the howling of the world Western mass media, began to steadily increase its power and influence in the world. With the tragic and memorable events of the Russian spring, Putin’s name began to boom across Russia, and then around the world. Despite the best efforts of voluntary or unwitting employees of McCain, Biden and Obama. Perhaps it is in this sequence, according to the degree of their real influence.

Putin’s foreign policy successes, or rather, Putin’s Russia, are recognized today even on the BBC, they have coined for Russia an unprecedented term: “pocket superpower”. But the economy ... What about the economy, which, incidentally, ensured all these successes, despite Western sanctions, from the development of a new tank Armata to the material base of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which carried out a brilliant operation in Syria. Would external successes of Russia be possible without internal economic preconditions?

Today, they are provided by Russia’s market economy, with all its attributes in the form of millionaires and Mercedes, but it provides. As long as the market type of economy dominates around the world, Russia cannot go alone against this trend, they have already tried it once. Moreover, real production in Russia today, even under sanctions, is growing, and only low oil prices have somewhat reduced our aggregate GDP.

The military-industrial complex of Russia was recreated, the economy was being replaced and diversified to the East; in 2020, the Power of Siberia would start supplying gas to China, and then Russia could impose energy sanctions against Europe. It seems that Europe feels this with its skin, and suddenly agreed to build the “Nord Stream-2”.

Against the background of all these efforts and successes, the question arises with a new force: what are they for, what is the ultimate goal, where are we going? Why did we defend the Crimea, do we oppose America in the Donbas and in Syria, do not allow Russia to be subjugated? “Where are we going?” We are going to our house ...

Historically, any country can be considered not only as a kind of state education, but also as a large family, large and multi-ethnic. We know that the family is the cell and the foundation of any society, but for some reason it is always forgotten for great deeds. Where is the family going? What problems of “Kamo ridge” does it solve? What is she building? And what is surprising: the family does not have any mandatory plan, and there is no great idea, except for such household chores, plans for vacation, work for the good of the country and for securing their earnings. And, of course, every normal family thinks about the continuation of a kind, raising children and ensuring their future.

Family issues are not a priori great, so they don’t see their state minds, do not reckon with them in their great deeds. However, not the great issues of the family, sooner or later, take their place in public affairs. They invariably invade the life of the country, and make such adjustments that any great goals go to the background. By the way, we are witnessing this process now in the "democratic" West, which it would be more correct to call - degenerate, where democracy degenerated into the dictates of "minorities", mostly homosexual!

"Krymnash", and the ongoing fighting on the fronts of the sanctions and hybrid wars, ultimately - for the sake of the normal development of the Russian family, from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok. The real goal of a normal state is to provide future generations, creating economic, spiritual, moral and military-political prerequisites for their development. It seems that we are building this Russian state today, without slogan noise and dust ...

Others such goals and objectives seem too simple and even boring. Give them something very heavy, with a claim to exclusiveness, in order to heroically overcome it and show their heroism. However, supposedly simple things are, in fact, the most difficult to implement, they are harder to sustain than the complicated algorithm of a certain fair state structure, the ancient thinkers said.

Will there be people who will replace those who left in 2016 year, Dr. Lisa, artists and musicians of the ensemble to them. Alexandrova, Arseny Pavlova-Motorola? - Zakhar Prilepin finishes his thoughts. Such people unite the torn realities of our world, formulating and upholding their normal values ​​and meanings with their lives. Perhaps this is the main question today, and he is waiting for his heroes ....

Comments

[210ox]

Without a national idea, I think it’s impossible to live in the modern world .. For what the market economy gives us, I don’t agree .. we need a mobilization economy. Although at this stage.

[34 region]

06.34. 210ov! In my opinion, we don’t have any ideas at all. Neither national, nor sovereign, nor economic, nor party ... We have the party United Russia. What is this party? This is a party of power. How so? Well, if you are not a member of this party, then your state career is in question. But if it is a party, then what is its program? What does she offer people? Land to officials, banks to bankers? What future does this party promise? Lenin had a program. Stalin also voiced goals. And what are the goals of EP? In general, Lenin and Stalin had an idea. The idea of ​​Putin or Medvedev, I do not know. Based on the idea, we can talk about the economic structure of the country. So far, Putin and Medvedev are not talking about the economy. Hope others will do it for them? Judging by the lack of plans for GDP and DAM, they do not plan the future. Of course they make forecasts. And the forecast is fortunetelling.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Author: The real goal of a normal state is it is the provision of future generations, the creation for their development of economic, spiritual-moral and military-political premises. It seems that we are building such a Russian state today, without the slogan noise and dust ...

That's exactly why we will gut all the bowels, first all, and then in 2020 tea.
And for future generations, we will leave holes from wells and hemp instead of taiga.

Author: Moreover, real production in Russia today, even under sanctions, is growing, and only low oil prices have somewhat reduced our total GDP.

the author anneals after the holidays in full
And for some reason Prilepina dragged

But with this statement

Quote: Region 34

Judging by the lack of plans for GDP and DAM, they do not plan the future. Of course they make forecasts. And the forecast is fortunetelling.

it's hard to disagree.

[Karabin]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

And for some reason Prilepina dragged

Not stick, but stick as a counterfeit famous label.

[gladcu2]

Zyablintsev

First of all, thanks to the author for the correctly asked question.

Secondly Zyablintsev, thanks for understanding the situation.

Well, 210 shackles in their own right.

Now, the clear answer is how to create sustainability in the state and REGULATED development.

Premise.
Such an answer was given by Comrade Stalin and introduced in the state. But the presence of a party in power, the Communist which is ATTENTION !, which has lost its necessity due to the fact that they have solved the tasks. So, by virtue of circumstances, this party in power began its degeneration into a bourgeois one. Today, United Russia is the example of the bourgeois ruling party, the so-called degeneration of ideology. This happened in Khrushchev’s time.

What exactly was and what exactly happened.

There was attention .... There was a dictatorship of the proletariat. By the proletariat, we mean the urban population engaged in large-scale production. This means that the majority, united by common PROBLEMS, and competent enough to set common goals. Those. we have a large group of people with common development goals.
This group of people created the DICTATURE of their power. Above other smaller groups including the peasantry. Why? Because the peasantry cannot be homogeneous and cannot exercise power. The bourgeoisie should not exercise power either, because it is not a large class and quite divided.

Thus, we came to power of the majority over the minority. What is in the nature of the development of society.

How was this DICTATURE implemented?

Through the Soviets of People's Deputies, who were elected not TERRITORIAL, but from large large enterprises. Why is it important? Because the elect, ALL voters, could know personally. And also voters were given the right to recall the deputy.

Such DICTATURE, built the economic system. Notice, the society itself built, for itself, the economy, with a price tag on the product of production, applied in a factory way.

How it was destroyed.

Everything collapsed due to the fact that Comrade Stalin did not have time to abolish the leading role of the Communist Party after the Great Patriotic War. This party was extremely necessary at the time of the country's cataclysms, as it was the bearer of IDEOLOGY. But when the danger in the country passed, this party became the source of danger due to the rebirth of IDEOLOGY.

How did the party destroy the country?

I don’t remember which congress Khrushchev talked about the personality cult. We are not talking about chronology, but about principles.
So here. Khrushchev, destroyed the dictatorship of the proletariat. He announced the leading role of the CPSU, replacing it with the leading role of the economic class. The ECONOMIC CLASS, the proletariat, has been and has been abolished.
Further went economic regression and a rollback to capitalism. When the priority is the enrichment of a minority, it stands above the majority right.

Tips as the names of the governing body have survived to this day. But they lost their form of government when the majority dictated the terms. Because the electors began to be determined TERRITORIAL. So the deputies were those who financially could afford self-promotion. The recall of deputies was banned. And the state became bourgeois, with capitalism. Which, as you know, has crises and is a generator of conflict-competition. And wars are forms of competition.

Summary.

The condition for regulated development is the dictatorship of the priority of the majority. Dictatorship of the majority.

[gladcu2]

I will fix it.

Not Zyablintsev, thanks, although a good person can always be thanked once again.

And region 34, thanks.

Confused in articles.

Ideology, a dangerous thing, you need to be able to control it.

[JS20]

Quote: gladcu2

There was attention .... There was a dictatorship of the proletariat

I’m embarrassed to ask, but did the main dictator, Dzhugashvili, be from the proletarians? And at what enterprise, in what position was he hunchbacked?
Not hunchbacked? Why, then, was the dictatorship of the proletariat? Since the high priest and leader were from ... And of what was he? He didn’t work at the factory. In the agricultural sector is also not marked. And in the office he didn’t wipe his pants. What did this idol of the Jugashvelists live on?
True, there are rumors that all these Ordzhonikidze and other "comrades" were banal raiders. But the criminal past of the high priest and leader is, of course, only rumors. And he ate the books of Marx and Engels, of course. And from the read I made clothes for myself.
True, the question arises, where and what did he take books for?
In other words, a typical tip would be clearly difficult. He ate the holy spirit, dressed in general HZ like.

Quote: gladcu2

Khrushchev, destroyed the dictatorship of the proletariat.

You cannot destroy what is not.
But jugashvilism Khrushchev still destroyed. Thus, having committed a complete feudal revolution in the USSR. Here he is, a true revolutionary, as he looks. And then they were enrolled in the revolutionaries, whoever is laziness. Here Ulyanov and Trotsky are somehow sideways. And Dzhugashvili with friends, for some hell. But the revolutionist turned out to be Khrushchev. Also, comrades.

Quote: gladcu2

Tips as the names of the governing body have survived to this day.

The power of the Soviets actually began to be liquidated in 1927. And finally, by law, this power was liquidated in 1936. This was Dzhugashvili's trick, the legislative power in the country was completely transferred to the "sect". Those. The USSR officially became not a secular (from the word "light"), but a pseudo-religious country. It remains only to clean the leading ranks of the party-sect, which he did in 1937-38. It’s not a pity for all of these, but along the way the Dzhugashvilev executioners shot and rotted a lot of innocent people in the Gulag. Here are them, sorry. Very.
Only Yeltsin was able to tear out a pseudo-religious society in the USSR. Although Khrushchev was still trying. But Khrushchev did not succeed, but Yeltsin did.

[gladcu2]

JS20

I will answer your comment.

To the question why DICTATURE OF THE PROLETARIAT.

Because it is a form of control when control is dictated by the majority. And this corresponds to the foundations of a beloved democracy.

Not?

I will not answer the rest. It makes no sense to climb into the chronology and evidence. In order not to be distracted by the secondary, I am satisfied with the knowledge of the principles.

[JS20]

Quote: gladcu2

To the question why DICTATURE OF THE PROLETARIAT.

Because it is a form of control when control is dictated by the majority. And this corresponds to the foundations of a beloved democracy.

Not? good

Charming.
But there are a few points:
1. In an agricultural country, and Ros. The empire and the USSR were agrarian countries, the workers were in a clear and significant minority.
2. The proletarians make up a small percentage of the working class. Moreover, these were mostly far from its best representatives.
3. The Bolsheviks basically had nothing to do with the workers. These were either representatives of the intelligentsia, or rather, a rentier. Like Ulyanov. Or people of dubious occupation, like Dzhugashvili.
Where did the dictatorship of the proletariat come from? Yes, and democratic, like the power of the majority?
Don't wishful thinking. In the USSR, at least at first, there was a dictatorship of crooks. Based on the so-called bayonets. "soldier". Those. lumpen peasants who, for some reason, could not or did not want to return to arable farming.

[gladcu2]

JS20

Why the proletariat?

Because the proletariat is the majority that is able to take and exercise power (organize itself). All the rest did not fit these conditions.

You write some nonsense. Pr some bayonets and everything else.

You are not referring to facts that require confirmation, are able to reason?

What is the principle you know?

[JS20]

Quote: gladcu2

Because the proletariat is the majority

Where? In Russia, the late 10s, early 20s of the last century? Where did he come from in the majority? The proletariat in Russia / the USSR was a couple percent of the population.

Quote: gladcu2

Pr some bayonets and everything else.

About bayonets, this is the most important thing. Bayonets, this is what allowed a bunch of crooks called the Bolsheviks to first seize power, and then hold it in their hands. Bayonets, total lies (about the land to peasants, for example) and repression, of course.

Quote: gladcu2

You are not referring to facts that require confirmation

Those. is the history of the USSR unknown to you? Civil war and so on. My condolences to you.

[iouris]

The dictatorship of the proletariat is the lowest transitional phase of communism, when the old exploiting state (and bourgeois democracy, that is, the power of capital) is scrapped and a dying state is formed, whose task is to create the material-technical and spiritual-moral base of a classless society governed by principles science.
The dictatorship does not have to be carried out as bloodyly as it was not in the USSR, but in Russia. In a nightmare, Marx and Engels could not see that backward (in terms of the development of capitalism) Russia would be the first to become communist, because Marx scientifically showed that communism is a natural prospect for the development of developed capitalism into something else, but only on the basis of capitalism. The first to communism (according to Marx) were to come the United States, Britain, France, Germany. Therefore, the "Mensheviks", who constituted the majority of Russian Social Democracy, were waiting for a revolution in Germany and opposed Lenin, who substantiated the possibility of building communism in Russia taken separately.
On the social origin of the ideologists of the leaders of communism and social determinism.
The proletariat could not nominate ideologists and leaders. The idea of ​​communism is a product of scientific analysis and synthesis, therefore, only representatives of the bourgeoisie and other exploiting classes could be the ideologists of the proletariat. To side with the oppressed classes does not have to be a representative of those classes. And vice versa: we have a class degeneration of the top of the "proletarian party".

[JS20]

Quote: iouris

The dictatorship of the proletariat is the lowest transitional phase of communism

Is that lawlessness, which in Russia was called "the dictatorship of the proletariat", is it only the lowest form? I imagine the revelry that could be in the "higher forms."
Write such nonsense. And there was no "dictatorship of the proletariat", but there was robbery and lawlessness of a handful of crooks, backed up by the bayonets of the lumpen peasants.
And there can be no communism even theoretically. Because communism is equality. And there can be no equality, because inequality, this is evolution. Intraspecific selection. There will be no inequality, evolution will end and there will be no humanity.
Have you seen equality in animals anywhere? Did not see. And they live naturally, in accordance with evolution, do not build any "isms". So with people, there will be no intraspecific selection, and mankind is fucked.

Quote: iouris

when the old exploiting state (and bourgeois democracy, that is, the power of capital) is scrapped and a dying state is formed, whose task is to create the material-technical and spiritual-moral base of a classless society governed by the principles of science.

Here is what you wrote, it’s not even nonsense. This is insanity to a millionth degree. Moreover, in every word, in every phrase. It’s hard to invent big nonsense.
There’s nothing to even comment on. Pure water is a stupid and baseless pseudo-religious sectarianism.
They are read by any wretched old-regime balcony. And let's retell in your own words. With a smart look.

Quote: iouris

because Marx has scientifically shown

Marx is an ordinary charlatan. Such geniuses-Nostradamus from the economy in history was a wagon. And a little trolley. Here, offhand, T.Mor, Kompanella.
All of them have long been forgotten. The charlatan Marx would be forgotten. But there were figures in the world who declared him a prophet. From this they know him.
But it doesn't matter. "Socialism" in Russia, by historical standards, is just a passing nuisance. Soon the name of this "genius" will only be remembered by historians.
It is a pity that those who were innocently killed and tortured by these "Marxists" cannot be returned.

Quote: iouris

The idea of ​​communism is a product of scientific analysis and synthesis.

This is a product of a sick imagination.

Quote: iouris

consequently, the ideologists of the proletariat could only be representatives of the bourgeoisie and other exploiting classes.

Anyone can suffer from a sick imagination, regardless of class.

Quote: iouris

In order to side with the oppressed classes it is not necessary to be a representative of these classes.

Indeed, to rob the population of the country to the skin, and then make them work from hand to mouth and for sticks, this is called "side with the oppressed classes."
However, in the Looking Glass and behind the Looking Glass, their own logic. Great. From others. A pseudo-religious sect, in other words.

[iouris]

Ordinary people in the USSR may have lived better than in the West. At least some of my acquaintances who have permanently lived in the UK since 1991 think so (but this issue has not been seriously investigated by economists). And they also pay attention to the degree of "brainwashing" in the population. The degree of ideological uniformity in Great Britain was beyond the reach of Soviet ideologists. Perhaps this is the case.
All more or less serious philosophers, sociologists and economists are in one way or another polemicizing with Marx. If communism is rubbish, why did you get involved in a polemic?

[JS20]

Quote: iouris

Ordinary people in the USSR may have lived better than in the West.

"When you say that, it feels like you're delusional."

Quote: iouris

At least some of my friends who have been living in the UK since 1991

Have you ever wondered why they all live and live there? And what brought them there?
Threat. Great Britain does not exist. There is Britain. If you want to make yourself particularly clear, write Great Britain. But not the UK.

Quote: iouris

but this question has not been seriously investigated by economists

Which economists? Do you write this in your mind?

Quote: iouris

And they also pay attention to the degree of "brainwashing" in the population. The degree of ideological uniformity in Great Britain was beyond the reach of Soviet ideologists.

You are an amazing specialist in writing obvious bullshit.

Quote: iouris

More or less serious philosophers, sociologists and economists are in one way or another arguing with Marx.

Well, what are everyone? All more or less serious philosophers died long before Marx. Yes, and about the economists you have enough.
There is nothing to polemicize with, Marx is an ordinary talker-quack.

Quote: iouris

If communism is rubbish, why did you get involved in a polemic?

Controversy? This is not a polemic, this is a laugh at the ignorant, blinkered by "socialism".
Unfortunately, due to the "plinth" level of education in the USSR, ignoramuses (but with diplomas) constituted the absolute majority of the population there. Not everyone had the intelligence, desire and ability to engage in self-education.

[iouris]

Quote: JS20

The lawlessness that in Russia was called "the dictatorship of the proletariat"

Everything is relative. Explore the history of revolutions in England and France. Vendee alone is worth something. "Revolution in Russia" is not a Russian project, but an anti-Russian one. The purpose of this project is not entirely clear, especially in connection with the events of 1991. However, the USSR in different periods is very different states.
Communism is not a Russian theory, but a Western one. Marx is not a revolutionary practitioner, but a bourgeois armchair accounting, i.e. theorist of contemporary capitalism and bourgeois society. Refute "Capital" if you are smarter than Marx. But F.D. Roosevelt seriously studied Marx and even said that he would not hand him over to the Communists.

[JS20]

Quote: iouris

Learn the history of revolutions in England and France.

What for?

Quote: iouris

"Revolution in Russia" is not a Russian project, but an anti-Russian one.

A revolution is the transition of society from one OEF to another, standing higher. Those. element of the evolutionary development of society.
What "anti-Russian" did you find in the evolutionary development of society in Russia? Are you proposing to freeze society in a state of autocracy?

Quote: iouris

The purpose of this project is not well understood, especially in connection with the events of 1991.

Talking with you is completely useless. Because you simply do not know the history of Russia / USSR. You know what the Bolsheviks have blamed you on this subject.
But I want to upset you, they traditionally deceived you.
From this you have absolutely crazy conclusions.
For example, the events of 1991. you call revolution. But this is nonsense! No revolution in 1991. did not happen, just society in the post-Soviet space became secular (from the word "light"). After many years of being in a pseudo-religious state based on the pseudo-religion "Marskism-Leninism". Into which the country was plunged by a cunning figure named Dzhugashvili. Gradually. He started in 1927 and finished in 1936.
And OEF at the same time in 1991. not changed in any way. Those. no revolution happened.
Moreover, the Bolshevik reactionary revolution (an action opposite to the revolution, i.e. when the society in its development falls by 1 step BELOW) is slightly higher than October 1917 - January 1918. you also call a revolution (!!!!). Everything, the circle is closed, black is called white.
This is your "knowledge of the history of the country and an understanding of the essence of the current events."

Quote: iouris

Marx is not a revolutionary practitioner, but a bourgeois cabinet accountant, i.e. theorist of modern capitalism and bourgeois society.

Even today you will find more than a dozen such "scientists" in various funny offices. Most of them are worth a penny.

Quote: iouris

Refute "Capital" if you are smarter than Marx.

So he has already been refuted even through field experiments. Why refute something twice?

Quote: iouris

But here F. D. Roosevelt studied Marx seriously and even said that he would not give it to the Communists.

Who the hell is that? Is this at least a smart person?

[cast iron]

First, Lenin was not a rentier. He was a rather famous philosopher in circles + wrote articles in magazines, scientific papers, dissertations for others. How he lived in Switzerland can be found in his letters.

Secondly, the proletariat is not only workers. This is a broader concept.

Thirdly, the communists wanted equality and opportunities for all, and not just for the sons and daughters of wealthy people.

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

Firstly, Lenin was not a rentier.

Take an interest in this question in more detail.

Quote: cast iron

He was a rather famous philosopher in circles + wrote articles in magazines, scientific papers, dissertations for others.

And he also received money from the Bolshevik "common fund". Have you heard about "exs"?

Quote: cast iron

Secondly, the proletariat is not only workers. This is a broader concept.

Eh, no. The "classics" have lumpen workers. And there is no need to invent any "broad concepts".
It was later, under "socialism", that for some reason they decided to enroll all workers in the proletariat. But this was not the case with the "classics".

Quote: cast iron

the communists wanted equality and opportunities for all, and not just for the sons and daughters of wealthy people.

Who told you this nonsense? Have you heard anything about thieves universities and thieves in the USSR? About MGIMO, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Vneshtorg?
About special distribution centers, special hospitals and special distribution centers, too? Have you heard about the gorgeous "Stalinists" who were not for everyone?
We do not need to retell the Bolshevik fables "for equality".

[cast iron]

That's just YOU and ask about Lenin. About how he and what he lived in Switzerland and other foreign countries. Learn a lot. The Bolshevik box office was handed over voluntarily, and not by force.

Lumpen is not a proletariat. The proletariat is any employee who does not own the means of production or capital. Read books or something.

Equality is unconditionally accessible to all education, medicine, work and housing. And the fact that power eventually turns into a parasite is a feature of man.

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

The Bolshevik box office was handed over voluntarily, and not by force.

Yes, only the Bolsheviks were not particularly interested in the origin of money. This kind of cash in a decent society is usually called the word "common fund".

Quote: cast iron

The proletariat is any employee who does not own the means of production or capital. Read books or something.

We know this. It is also known that a skilled worker has "capital" in the form of professional skills. Which he then successfully monetizes.
But the lumpen does not own anything. Neither capital nor professional skills. And just such a lumpen, if he worked at a factory, was called the "proletariat" by stupid Marx. Such "proletarians" at any factory had crumbs of interest. Therefore, the whole "theory of Marx" is a stupid empty shell. In which the basic things are incorrectly defined. Why then everything went at random.
Actually, this is confirmed by practice. After WW1, those countries where the working class was developed quickly turned the bosoms around to their bozoters and their henchmen, the lumpen, who also decided to "build communism" there. And only in Russia did this kind of Buzoters hold on to power on the bayonets of armed peasant lumpen. In those days they were called "soldiers".
And why? But because the working class in Russia was in its infancy and there was no one to turn the necks of the Bolsheviks and "soldiers". So much for the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the USSR. In fact, it was the "lumpen dictatorship". Under the leadership of charlatans and crooks who called themselves Bolsheviks.

Quote: cast iron

Equality is unconditionally accessible to all education, medicine, work and housing.

Equality is only in the grave. And even that, only for the departed. Which, in principle, no matter what there and how.
In all other cases, you will not find any equality anywhere. Not in the North. Korea and Cuba. Not in Switzerland and the USA. Neither among ants, nor among elephants. There is no equality, it is the same chimera as communism.

Quote: cast iron

And the fact that power eventually turns into a parasite is a feature of man.

Everything in the life of human society is dictated by "human traits". And no one is allowed to remake a person, neither the Communists, nor the Bolsheviks, nor the feudal lords, nor the slave owners. Nobody.
Although the part of society, which is usually not very large, although sometimes significant, still lends itself to zombies. But there are enough people willing (zombies) for this contingent. In addition, the zombie process itself, it is very long. I don’t remember, I read somewhere that 50 years is in my opinion required for society to adapt to another reality in the event of the abolition of total zombies. That one, that the other way. With the change of generations.

[cast iron]

Don't exaggerate. The cash desk of the party should not be called the common fund. This is not a gang of gangsters. And then suddenly it turns out that all of your current party members and liberals are thrown into the common fund in the same way. This is not true.
I repeat once again, Lenin, in particular in exile, lived mostly with his labor. Everything is described in his personal letters. How he earned money abroad. And he practically did not use the cash desk of the RSDLP, for the cash desk was scanty like the party itself.

Don't juggle concepts. Skills are not capital. Even from the point of view of the new terminology. Capital is capital. Either assets in the form of land, buildings, ations and securities, or in the form of means of production. An engineer will never have "capital". His professional skills are not "capital". You can read it in any textbook on economics.

"Stupid Marx" is a MANDATORY study at Cambridge, Yale and Oakward at the economics departments. This is a respected economist who lived in capitalism, who was a capitalist, and who described capitalism very accurately. That is why it is studied EVERYWHERE. In addition to you and the Higher School of Economics (Gaidar University for future traitors to the Motherland).

You don't know history well. It was fascism that twisted the heads of the communists in Western Europe. And in the USA, the great "democrats" simply banned the communists, but they did not ban the fascists. This is all very logical. Fascism was created by the capitalists just to fight the leftist movement in Europe. This is a historical fact.

You are a supporter of a wild hairy monkey on a palm tree. This is precisely the essence of capitalism. All scientific achievements in capitalism are dictated either by the personal aspirations of some rich "madmen" (Newton, Galey, Cook, etc.) and by a short period of scientific development in the mid-late 19th century, when capitalists thought that accessible education would only give them new weapons and technologies. But the capitalists miscalculated - a bunch of educated people saw the whole monkey essence of society and wanted to make it (society) human, and not an animal as it was thousands of years before. Here the communists are the foremost workers of these leaders - people with a capital letter, who strove to create a society of people, and not stingy, hairy, greedy ghouls-macaques.

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

The party cashier should not be called a common fund. This is not a gang of gangs.

Those. if some gang suddenly calls itself a "party", then it will have to be called a "party treasury"?
You are very original.

Quote: cast iron

Professional skills are not capital. Even in terms of new terminology. Capital is capital.

You will remind me of Porthos. "I fight because I fight."
Capital, it is multifaceted. And it can be not only in material form.

Quote: cast iron

An engineer will never have "capital". His professional skills are not "capital". You can read it in any textbook on economics.

In the Soviet. There, and about the coming communism is very vividly written.
Explore what it means to "invest in yourself." And why is it profitable to invest in yourself. By the way, you should invest in yourself money. Those. capital. Rather, bought with this very capital.
Do you think that capital invested in itself is no longer capital? And invested in stocks, still capital. Don't you think you have problems with logic?

Quote: cast iron

"Stupid Marx" is a MANDATORY study at Cambridge, Yale and Oakward at the economics departments.

Have you ever studied in these institutions? Or did one acquaintance of a cool dude from ZhEK tell?
In fact, Companella, Mora, and other economic dreamers are also studying curiosities at economics faculties.

Quote: cast iron

This is a respected economist who lived in capitalism, who was a capitalist, and who described capitalism very accurately.

I want to upset you, but Marx lived in Germany. Which until 09.11.1918/1849/1859. was a feudal country. Yes, Marx, was expelled from there in XNUMX. But he wrote "Capital" on German material (the main material was written in XNUMX).
Therefore, here you go by. "Capital", as it is now being revealed by some, was written by a man living in a feudal society. This is something like a theoretician booze.

Quote: cast iron

You do not know the story well. It was fascism that twisted the heads of the communists of the Western countries of Europe.

Yeah. And rheumatism.
Fascism arose in 23.04.1919/07.11.1921/30.10.1922. in Milan. And the party was transformed on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, and came to power on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
Meanwhile, the Hungarian Soviet Republic rested in the Bose on 06.08.1919/133/XNUMX, lasting XNUMX days.
The Bavarian Soviet Republic passed away on 03.05.1919/XNUMX/XNUMX.
The Slovak Soviet Republic died on 07.06.1919/22/XNUMX. having existed for XNUMX days.
The Bremen Soviet Republic gave the oak 09.02.1919/21/XNUMX. having existed for XNUMX days.
Etc. etc. Doesn't match your dates. It was not the Nazis who twisted the BOSKs to the European Busoters; local healthy forces completely cost their resources.

Quote: cast iron

But the capitalists miscalculated

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. But as the Bolsheviks were right. Communism, here it is, outside the window.
I'm tired of reading your reasoning. Although I find them funny.

[Cat man null]

Quote: gladcu2

To the question why DICTATURE OF THE PROLETARIAT.
Because it is a form of control when control is dictated by the majority. And this corresponds to the foundations of a beloved democracy

- for some reason, lovers of "democracy" believe that ruling the country (country !!) simpler and less risky than, for example, by plane
- let me remind you - on the plane (as well as on the ship, and on the trolleybus, finally) there is no "democracy" and there is no spirit. And he is not close there, the spirit of "democracy"
- That's interesting - why would it be so?

[gladcu2]

Catmananull

You're right. DICTATURE, this is not the power of the majority. But it’s easier to implement.

Democracy, the power of the majority. Implement and hold, not possible. Constantly slipping into DICTATURE, quiet or as a result of a coup.

Regarding the sustainability of democracy, the question is serious. For example, the United States on the border of the Civil War.

[Cat man null]

Quote: gladcu2

Democracy, the power of the majority. Implement and hold, not possible

- It was not about that, a foreigner ...
- it was about democracy, as such, in most cases (and especially when managing complex systems) is harmful
- this is not because "democracy is byaka", but because decisions must be made by an extremely limited number of very competent people. Not the cook, not the carpenter Vasya, not Glazyev, finally.
- hence the lack of "democracy" in the management of an aircraft, an enterprise, a country, finally.

That's something like

[gladcu2]

Catmananull

The same is true. Obviously. Can not argue.

[Cat man null]

Quote: gladcu2

The same is true. Obviously. Can not argue.

- Duc, what are we talking about? Where is the subject of conversation?

[iouris]

This issue has been resolved long ago. Read Marx's work On Authority.
It is not the people, not the class, or even the party that is in power, but the oligarchy. She rules professionally on behalf of the ruling class. Ksyusha Sobchak's mother once said on this occasion: "Have you gone to the polls? That's all. Now relax for five years, we will rule, and you will carry out. You did not go to the polls? It's your right, but if you please, obey."

[Donhapa]

Quote: JS20

Quote: gladcu2

There was attention .... There was a dictatorship of the proletariat

I’m embarrassed to ask, but did the main dictator, Dzhugashvili, be from the proletarians? And at what enterprise, in what position was he hunchbacked?
Not hunchbacked? Why, then, was the dictatorship of the proletariat? Since the high priest and leader were from ... And of what was he? He didn’t work at the factory. In the agricultural sector is also not marked. And in the office he didn’t wipe his pants. What did this idol of the Jugashvelists live on?
True, there are rumors that all these Ordzhonikidze and other "comrades" were banal raiders. But the criminal past of the high priest and leader is, of course, only rumors. And he ate the books of Marx and Engels, of course. And from the read I made clothes for myself.
True, the question arises, where and what did he take books for?
In other words, a typical tip would be clearly difficult. He ate the holy spirit, dressed in general HZ like.

Quote: gladcu2

Khrushchev, destroyed the dictatorship of the proletariat.

You cannot destroy what is not.
But jugashvilism Khrushchev still destroyed. Thus, having committed a complete feudal revolution in the USSR. Here he is, a true revolutionary, as he looks. And then they were enrolled in the revolutionaries, whoever is laziness. Here Ulyanov and Trotsky are somehow sideways. And Dzhugashvili with friends, for some hell. But the revolutionist turned out to be Khrushchev. Also, comrades.

Quote: gladcu2

Tips as the names of the governing body have survived to this day.

The power of the Soviets actually began to be liquidated in 1927. And finally, by law, this power was liquidated in 1936. This was Dzhugashvili's trick, the legislative power in the country was completely transferred to the "sect". Those. The USSR officially became not a secular (from the word "light"), but a pseudo-religious country. It remains only to clean the leading ranks of the party-sect, which he did in 1937-38. It’s not a pity for all of these, but along the way the Dzhugashvilev executioners shot and rotted a lot of innocent people in the Gulag. Here are them, sorry. Very.
Only Yeltsin was able to tear out a pseudo-religious society in the USSR. Although Khrushchev was still trying. But Khrushchev did not succeed, but Yeltsin did.

This is what you get, Yeltsman turns out to be the Savior of the people and the country as a whole?

[JS20]

Quote: Donhapa

This is what you get, Yeltsman

I do not know this.
As regards the return of pseudo-religious Soviet society to a secular society, this fact can only be welcomed.
Unfortunately, during the years of Soviet power, society in the USSR has degraded so much that it could not return to the state of March 1918. And it went deeper, to a state earlier than this date.
Although it is far from the fact that from January 1918, from the moment the Constituent Assembly assumed its powers and the representative of the Social Revolutionaries was elected head of the Government (presumably Savenkov), the latter would not have shown dictatorial habits, and, like Ulyanov, he would not have made a counter-revolutionary coup. Having returned the country to the place where Ulyanov returned it, i.e. into "state capitalism" and the feudal CEF.
One can only guess on this topic now. But what would not have happened in this case, it would not have been "socialism." And already a huge bonus.

[g1v2]

To understand what and who is building, you need to look around and beyond. Everything is in the public domain. What large-scale projects are being built, where are the money invested, what is the focus. Even plans for a second five-year plan by industry are available. The rearmament plans even here skip constantly. Almost everything is available. The only thing that is mainly given are plans for individual industries and are rarely combined in one place.
Well, about edrosov. Everything that you wrote about EP, I already heard 30 years ago about the Communist Party. The CPSU was accused of almost the same thing. Well, no CPSU, and why? And then it turned out that the Communist Party was one of the main structures that held the country together, and after it was beaten, there was no one to fasten the country together.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Region 34

. But if it is a party, then what is its program? What does she offer people? Land to officials, banks to bankers?

Everything that is happening now in the Russian Federation, and the more the party itself with its members reminds me of a lover with a lover, so the people - the lover, expect from the lover (the authorities with her wallets) to improve their material condition, confidence in tomorrow's working day, and other bonuses, but judging by what is happening now, right now, and today in the economy, a lover wants to rob a poor lover.
Now about the serious.
If it goes further, then we will have a Wedding in Robin, they will start to scatter on all four sides.
More and more often I hear from colleagues at work, a negative attitude towards the president and his team, After all, how is optimization going on in Russian Railways? hard workers are being cut, salaries are being cut, ITR employees (close to the authorities) are increasing. As they stole and steal, they save on slaves.
All this resembles a provisional government, as in a joke to her God, They ask if you were the king, what did you do? I would have made 100 rubles and ran away.

[ibragim]

This party has one goal. To squeeze the people as much as possible that it has done good — nothing more than raising taxes, fines and raising prices. Each deputy is a businessman in united Russia, but they all have one thing in the box, we have nothing and the last horseradish without salt is eaten up, you need to raise your salary. When you already choke on money.

[ibragim]

This party has one goal. To squeeze the people as much as possible that it has done good — nothing more than raising taxes, fines and raising prices. Each deputy is a businessman in united Russia, but they all have one thing in the box, we have nothing and the last horseradish without salt is eaten up, you need to raise your salary. When you already choke on money.

[Boris55]

Quote: 210ox

Without a national idea, I believe it’s impossible to live in the modern world ..

According to the latest census, ~ 200 nationalities and nationalities live in Russia. What nation are you worried about right now?
25 years since the concept of public security (BER) was formed in Russia that meets the interests of all nations and nationalities, which is intensely hushed up by all the bourgeois media.

[Victor N]

The national idea is and always has been, but not everyone notices it.
EVERYONE needs to be aware of themselves not as a population, but as a PEOPLE - who have not just common ancestors, namely grandfathers and grandmothers, and great-.... great ...., kind and loving us from their time. They built this great state in harsh natural conditions in swamps and forests, with almost no minerals, and we were assigned to preserve and equip it. This is what we do every hour by taking care of our family and not only. Understand and feel YOUR involvement with the HISTORY of Russia. You just need to replace "ancestors" with "grandfathers".

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Victor N

EVERYONE needs to be aware of itself not as a population, but as a PEOPLE - which has not just common ancestors, namely grandfathers and grandmothers, and great -... great .... good and loving us from their time.

Sorry, Victor, but why does the Ukrainian PEOPLE not realize Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Yanukovych, Taruta, Pinchuk, etc. as one whole? Why do you think that it should be different in Russia? We, as Putin says: "One people".
And by the way, if you recall the revolution of the 17th, the peasants did not go at first not for the Whites, not for the Reds, only Lenin's declaration: "Land for the peasants, factories for workers, power for the people!" turned the tide in the direction of the "red". That is, the people were offered equality as a dream to a bright future, and they followed it. What was offered in the 90s, and even now? Enrich yourself as much as you can if the "new nobles" allow you? Is this a new "unifying" ideology? That is, a person is no longer a brother, comrade and friend to a person, but a person is a wolf to a person, because it is a type of competition. But what about equality, brotherhood? On what basis to unite with the new "masters" of life, if more than half of the country believes that in the 90s there was a coup, that is, an occupation. Occupation is meant as a temporary phenomenon, and if the "occupiers" do not realize that in the occupied territory it is necessary to "equate" both the "occupiers" and the "occupied", it (the territory) will never become their common home. Although some were not going to live here initially, having several citizenships. Are they the protectors for the preservation and unification of the people?

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Sovetskiy

Occupation is meant as a temporary phenomenon, and if the "occupiers" do not realize that in the occupied territory it is necessary to "equate" both the "occupiers" and the "occupied", it (the territory) will never become their common home. Although some were not going to live here initially, having several citizenships. Are they the protectors of the country?

Well said! +100500

[Decembrist]

I agree to all 100%.

[gladcu2]

Sotskiy

Still, I would like to understand.

Here is Lenin, or you said about equality.

What does equality mean? Are smart and fool equal? Kyrgyz and Moldavians are equal in nationality? The collective farmer and the worker are equal?
In some ways, they may be equal.

Now, unequivocally, equality is a group of people characterized by some quality. Say economically - the middle class. Or the class of the poor. Or the class of the rich.

So, in order to achieve equality, you need to take the class that the majority represents and that this class can take and exercise power. Then the majority will bring everyone to the level of their equality. Creating an economy for yourself.

By the way, in the Russian Federation we can talk about the possibility of exercising the power of the majority, by legal non-violent means. Although, I could be wrong, quite. Therefore, this issue needs to be dealt with separately.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: gladcu2

By the way, in the Russian Federation we can talk about the possibility of exercising the power of the majority, by legal non-violent means. Although, I could be wrong, quite. Therefore, this issue needs to be dealt with separately.

And I am not calling for a violent change of power - the "elites" who are eager for another place at the trough have already gorged themselves on everything.
About equality. Can a worker live without a collective farmer, or a collective farmer without a worker? So which of these groups is higher in rank? Maybe lawyers with managers if there is nothing to resell? The policy "buy everything for petrodollars" has already led where it has led. They ruined personnel and industry, almost ruined agriculture, the benefit of the military-industrial complex was not "finished off."

Quote: gladcu2

So, in order to achieve equality, you need to take the class that the majority represents and that this class can take and exercise power. Then the majority will bring everyone to the distribution of their level of equality. Creating an economy for yourself.

That's it! Majority. And in our country the last "revolution" of 91 was it really made by the majority? In my opinion, the referendum of March 17, 1991 on the preservation of the USSR clearly showed what the people wanted, and where they put the majority opinion! And now they are pouring into my ears as our capitalist, with the classes of the poor and the rich, the Motherland should live together for the sake of the interests of the minority, which piled on the opinion of the majority in 91? What are you laughing at?
Where to start the unification of the country now? For me, this is with the revision of the results of "privatization" with full state control over the process, and not under the "control" of state-private "organizations and associations." Second. Fair tax system - Differentiated tax system according to which is different for different categories of taxpayers, or depending on the size of the taxable base, and not to tear the last "skin" from the already poor, indirect taxes in the form of increased tariffs, fees, etc., which do not affect the rich class in any way. Third. Redemption or nationalization by the state of strategic enterprises, including resource-extracting ones.
Let there be sabotage, there will be a withdrawal of capital abroad, there will be sabotage, a temporary decline in the economy. And now what is happening - growing up? But as long as the state does not reorient its own resources to the development of its own economy and production, and not to “feed” others, we will remain a cheap store of minerals for the whole world.

[Sotskiy]

In addition.
What is the national idea of ​​the majority as opposed to the right to own a minority?
Since ideology is forbidden in our country, we have another substitute concept of ideology, this is STRATEGY.
So if those in power create, in fact, and not in the form of laws that are not obligatory for a separate category of "groups", a strategy of social equality for all citizens of the country, this will be the first step towards uniting the people. But so far, all these peeps about "unification", sorry, a bunch in the dark room - everyone has heard, but no one knows who ruined the air.

[gladcu2]

Victor N

It is clear your desire to live better, independent, dignified, honest and fair.

But what better life is needed, so that your desire turns into a struggle for KNOWLEDGE, how to arrange your life.

You talked about the idea. Yes, the idea unites uniquely. So the idea is the majority. Then you have to take power in your hands and realize the power of the majority.

Question.

How to realize the power of the majority?

You must KNOW this. Know and do not get confused in the answers. And everyone who is around you should know. Until this happens, nothing will happen in the future.

[Pasha]

how have I not noticed before !?
have a national idea!
it turns out mine is
enrichment of the top (from a petty official to a government with a business elite),
the impoverishment of the population of subsidized regions,
wretched maintenance of utilities for frantic tariffs,
not confidence in the future of future generations,
joy from other people's successes.

[Baloo]

The national idea in any country at all times is the same: home, family, work, prosperity, peace, stability. Any country is one big Family. Family values ​​are the basis for the prosperity of any state. But families, as they say, are not without freaks, I mean not only grant eaters and swamp mold, but we are a regular at gatherings in American and other embassies, "friends" of Ambassador McFaul, Ambassador Tufft and other huskies.

[Vadim237]

The national idea is the development and prosperity of our country, in all spheres of society, and the cherry on the cake is space exploration.

[iouris]

Quote: 210ox

Without a national idea, I think living in the modern world is impossible.

The idea is quasi una fantasy. Nobody died from the absence of a "national idea". They are dying en masse from completely different reasons. At least that's what the statistics say.
To the main question of the article put out in the headline, I answer: we have already arrived. Everything was already there. Those philosophers who claim that the main questions of our life are right are: Who is to blame? What to do? Can I eat chicken with my hands?

[cast iron]

Do you want to mobilize yourself on the basis of capitalism? Get up a huge country for Rottenberg, father?

[Donhapa]

Quote: 210ox

Without a national idea, I think it’s impossible to live in the modern world .. For what the market economy gives us, I don’t agree .. we need a mobilization economy. Although at this stage.

With such a non-people's government, we will definitely come somewhere, for some reason I apologize for ... my

[Donhapa]

Quote: 210ox

Without a national idea, I think it’s impossible to live in the modern world .. For what the market economy gives us, I don’t agree .. we need a mobilization economy. Although at this stage.

With such a non-people's government, we will definitely come somewhere, for some reason I apologize for ... my

[Blondy]

In my opinion, the variant with CCC2 seems more promising - at least it is not known what will happen. For that it is perfectly clear what will happen according to the most "advanced" representatives of the second variant of development - the United States and Western Europe. Certainly nothing good. They looked good 30-50 years ago.

[cast iron]

50 years ago, the United States looked good only in Hollywood films and tales of tales of crazy Soviet dissident intellectuals.

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

50 years ago, the United States looked good only in Hollywood films and tales of tales of crazy Soviet dissident intellectuals.

Did smart dudes from TV tell you this? Do you even have a passport? Did you go to the district center outside your Pupkino? What is the habit of talking about things that you have no idea?
I will not compare the US with Russia, this is empty. But if we take Spain, which did not participate in WW2 and therefore cannot be said to be "robbed by the winners," then the average Spaniard in terms of accumulated wealth in 2015 was six (6) times poorer than the average American. Have the Americans earned it all over the past 50 years? And there are a lot of such examples.
They would only write that, without understanding the meaning of what was written.

[cast iron]

You are not talking to a 6 year old schoolboy. When you say that the average American is 6 times richer than the Spaniard, then specify which American is a capitalist, a hereditary official or an oligarch? )))) You do not need to compare. Smart people understand everything. In the USA, in the 1920s, the labor of 10 year old children in mines was used. And only the October revolution FORCED the capitalists to make concessions to ordinary people and make their life better. It is a fact. And you won’t get anywhere from this.

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

When you say that the average American is 6 times richer than the Spaniard, then specify which American is a capitalist, a hereditary official or an oligarch?

Do you hear yourself from the outside?
Does the word "average" mean anything to you?

Quote: cast iron

Smart people understand everything.

Where else to get them?

Quote: cast iron

And only the October revolution FORCED the capitalists to make concessions to ordinary people and make their life better. It is a fact. And you won’t get anywhere from this.

Nowhere, because:
1. There was no "October revolution". This is a fictional historical fact. Try to understand it somehow.
2. The poverty-stricken and half-starved USSR throughout its history has been so "to the star" of the leading bourgeois countries of the world that you cannot even imagine. Despite the Soviet propaganda, which made some kind of elephant out of the Soviet pug.
Yes, periodically these countries used the USSR to solve their problems, the most famous of which was the period from September 24.09.1941, 1945 to September XNUMX. But most of the time he was indifferent to him, this economic dwarf. Although restless.

[cast iron]

After your fantasies about the fact that there was no revolution there was nothing to talk about with you. The militant amateur is who you are. The entire historical community in the WORLD knows that there was a revolution, you alone, like Giordano Bruno, say that you didn’t. only now you are not Giordano Bruno)))) All the best.

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

After your fantasies about the fact that there was no revolution

First, learn what the term "revolution" means. And then the desire to retell the fables of the Bolsheviks will disappear.

Quote: cast iron

The militant amateur is who you are.

God grant that professionals are like that. But where to get them?

Quote: cast iron

The entire historical community in the WORLD knows that the revolution was

I am happy for "the entire historical community in the world."
Pick a different historical community for yourself. More competent.

Quote: cast iron

one you, like Giordano Bruno, claim that there wasn’t

Why you are alone?
The whole world has known for 100 years what happened in Russia, and how. And only "the entire historical community in the world", all from the USSR, daldonit long-learned Bolshevik nonsense.

[cast iron]

Well, here I advise you and advise you - at least open Wikipedia and read how the revolution differs from the coup. All questions will disappear right away. Although brains work differently for schizophrenics - here science is powerless.

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

open at least wikipedia

I prefer to use trusted sources of information. And I advise you the same.
If you are interested in learning the differences, read on my profile. Today I already wrote about this in detail. And I'm not going to be like a parrot.

Quote: cast iron

Although brains work differently for schizophrenics - here science is powerless.

You know better. It is immediately evident that you are "in the subject". Are you temporarily free until spring?

[cast iron]

Why would I rummage through your profile if the terminology was invented long before you? You are a strange man. Have you come up with your own terminology and concepts? Well, the flag is in your hands. Every year thousands of such "inventors" appear especially in the spring.

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

Why should I rummage through your profile if terminology is coined long before you?

Why is it unknown to you?

Quote: cast iron

Have you come up with your own terminology and concepts?

I figured it out? And I did not think to think.
It is strange to me that you do not know how the revolution differs from the coup. And how is a palace coup different from a reaction coup. And how does a reactionary coup differ from a counterrevolutionary one? It's that simple. I am not kidding.

Quote: cast iron

Every year thousands of such "inventors" appear especially in the spring.

So it’s not spring yet. And here you have a misfire.

[Mikhail Anokhin]

Even schizophrenics have ideas in their heads. In fact, a person differs from a dog in that he has an idea. The idea of ​​a table, a chair, if he is a carpenter. The idea of ​​an airplane, if he is an aircraft designer. And of course, the idea of ​​your own life strategy. That is, he represents where he is going and why he is going. I’ll finish school - I’ll go to college and so on and so forth.
Only in the Russian Federation in the state there is no idea, and even it is prohibited by the Constitution.
Therefore, we do not understand what and why.

[Same lech]

While the market type of economy dominates the whole world, Russia cannot go alone against this trend, they have already tried it once.

Yes it is.
Therefore, PUTIN put the liberal government with Medvedev at the head of our economy.
But one misfortune .... it turned out that our attachment to the liberal economy began to depend on external factors.
All jumps in oil prices, jumps in the dollar, various crises in the world automatically began to hit our economy ... we became economically dependent on the global conjuncture.
Moreover, it seems to me that the goal of PUTIN, if possible, is to integrate the RUSSIAN economy into the world so that it can influence the current processes in the world ... so to speak, the task is maximum ... Americans violently resist this and try to remove us from the market or crush us for any unscrupulous methods up to being drawn into a local war.
While PUTIN manages to balance on the blade of a knife ... too many variable factors stretched out over time ... I pay tribute to the mind and patience of our president ... another in his place would have long gone mad.

[yuriy55]

While the market type of economy dominates the whole world, Russia cannot go alone against this trend, they have already tried it once.

Yes it is...

An example is China's economy ... What are some interesting comparisons? Indeed, there is nothing to remember the USSR ... Whether it is the capitalist powers ...
Yes, take it easy, praisers of the Genius and detractors of the past ... Without the USSR and Putin, there would be no ... And as for the economy and internal affairs, so I will tell you this: we have seen this Prime Minister of the Russian Federation in Presidents ... and everything he can do. If we add to Putin's foreign policy the modern Russian Stolypin, who is not “for fear, but for conscience,” who “does not take a bribe,” who is “offended for his power,” then there would be no price for us ...
First you need to ask not the successes of foreign policy, but the simplest, human face of a Russian citizen, morality in society, and, importantly, an increase in the birth rate ... So that adolescents do not plague us, so that we don’t get lost in history like mammoths in my time...

[vezdehodov]

If to add Putin’s foreign policy to modern Russian

That is exactly what happened in recent history. Stalin brilliantly dealt with general and external issues, Beria brilliantly solved internal ones. One misfortune, both believed so much in their own infallibility that, after a series of great achievements and great victories, they did not notice their imminent demise. As a result, leaving us, albeit rich, BUT ORPHANES.

[Boris55]

While the market type of economy dominates the whole world, Russia cannot go alone against this trend, they have already tried it once.

More recently, we all observed how the Duma adopted the country's budget, determined what to develop for us (to whom to give money) and what not - is this not planning?
The expression "market economy" is for suckers.

[Boris55]

Quote: Boris55

The expression "market economy" is for suckers.

Addition, explanation to the picture, to its lower part:
Carrot is the budget. Piggy (capital) is the Duma. A people (donkey) is a people.

[gladcu2]

Boris 55

The party once led the country into capitalism again.

What can you do without a party?
Or then how?

This question needs an answer.

[Boris55]

Quote: gladcu2

The party once led the country into capitalism again.

You can get a flock of sheep in a slaughterhouse, and in order not to be sheep, you must have the fullness of management knowledge. Then no party will be able to foist the people vouchers for two Volga in exchange for all the wealth of the country. Knowledge is power! If you know that there is 220 volts in the socket, no one will force you to put two nails in there.
The leading and guiding role of the party was enshrined in the Brezhnev Constitution of 1977.

[gladcu2]

Boris 55

You have not forgotten that the CPSU was then carrying out a dictatorship. And the people, especially no one asked.
Although, of course, they asked, but they ignored the opinion of the people. That is the confirmation of the dictates of power.

[Boris55]

Quote: gladcu2

Boris 55 You did not forget that the CPSU was then carrying out a dictatorship. And the people, especially no one asked. Although, of course, they asked, but they ignored the opinion of the people. That is the confirmation of the dictates of power.

Until the middle of 1952, there was the CPSU (b). The dictatorship was the proletariat. It was after the Trotskyists usurped power ... Read Stalin's toast "To the Russian people" in honor of the victory in the Second World War and try to find there at least one mention of the role of the party in the defeat of fascism.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0_%D1%80
%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BD%D0%B0
%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4!

If there are still questions - write in a personal, otherwise it will become difficult to find the answers.

[Mystery12345]

Really, where are we going?

the question is good, and it can be put on a par with "who is to blame" and "what to do" ... a country without ideology, without a goal, without a "light at the end of the tunnel", living without a plan, but how it will turn out, it can hardly count on a life without social upheavals, the division of society and the social abyss are enormous. And this is very dangerous. And the most dangerous thing is that those who try to be indignant are immediately classified as "liberals" - that is, die of hunger and cold , but with a smile and exclamation, hurray! amazing time ...

[tanit]

I didn’t see something dead from hunger. In fact, an amazing time. And no less amazing people - Misters 12345 they are urged to die of hunger, but they will not die.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: tanit

I didn’t see something dead from hunger.

Have you ever seen anyone dead because of the inability to pay for the operation?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Have you ever seen anyone dead because of the inability to pay for the operation?

or dead from alcohol poisoning

[Victor N]

That's about alcohol: are the victims innocent? They were forced? Ah, not removed from the trade, attackers! So maybe knives should be banned? They say that in the SA they were afraid to give out forks in canteens (?!), But they were allowed to tanks.
At our outpost both forks were freely available, and table knives, and automatic machines were always at hand, or even under a pillow - and nothing. The brain should always work, and if it is not .....

[Stirbjorn]

No, they themselves decided to drink a product containing methanol ?! Such is the protest against the domestic policy of the state. Guilty are those who sell poison under the guise of alcohol - and all who protect them!

[Donhapa]

Quote: Stirbjorn

No, they themselves decided to drink a product containing methanol ?! Such is the protest against the domestic policy of the state. Guilty are those who sell poison under the guise of alcohol - and all who protect them!

The government is also guilty, because it does not control the business, and does not protect the people from businessmen jerking with their desire to enrich themselves at all costs, even health and life

[Sober]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Quote: tanit

I didn’t see something dead from hunger.

Have you ever seen anyone dead because of the inability to pay for the operation?

An exceptional problem for Russia? I know a "Russian" who has become an American who flies to Russia for treatment. It's cheaper this way.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Sober

I know a "Russian" who has become an American who flies to Russia for treatment. It's cheaper this way.

That is, it’s more pleasant for a doctor to do an American job than to mess with the poor. Not only is it a very corrupt sphere (and without a person’s money they’ll just kick all the offices right to the morgue === not all doctors can be said like that, but those who have someone I was seriously ill, I think they will understand me). This is not enough, it is imposed that many social benefits become paid. And all this happens against the background of lower incomes of the population. Therefore, if a Russian is lonely and lives on a modest pension, then it is better not to get sick. The best treatment is prevention and diagnostics in the early stages. And for this, they all tear money like Americans.

[Mystery12345]

Quote: tanit

I didn’t see something dead from hunger. In fact, an amazing time. And no less amazing people - Misters 12345 they are urged to die of hunger, but they will not die.

people are amazing, that's for sure ... they don’t know English, they read poorly, but they know everything, they are everywhere and they saw everything ...

[vezdehodov]

Being an unreasonable child in a state that was living out its last calm days, how I envied those heroes who created the revolution, won the civil war, defended us in the Great Patriotic War, I thought how boring our life was at that time. Oooh, I would know how wrong I was. God forbid to live up to the point when they will be called a liberal and by the decision of the "troika" they will prescribe nine grams as a medicine. Society has shrunk strongly around who it considers its leader, and under strong pressure, either a diamond or a split appears. In the meantime, the old mistake is being made - "the people will endure everything", forgetting that today our people are heterogeneous and have no common goal. Hopefully just for now.

[Boris55]

Quote: Mystery12345

... a country without ideology, without a goal ...

We have only four parties in the Duma and each has its own ideology, and you say there is no ideology ...
If the final goal is not announced to us, this does not mean that it is not. the goal of capitalism is to build a global slave-owning civilization.
Judging by the media, as the guides of the ideology of the prevailing concept, the goal of capitalism is to build a global slave-owning civilization.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Boris55

... the goal of capitalism is to build a global slave-owning civilization.

I agree ... something like this ...
Actually, I’m already tired of discussing the same thing.
Either in capitalism, or in socialism?

Life is harder.
Whatever we would like, and Madame Nature will arrange everything in accordance with a scientific perspective.
And there will be socialist ideals of the relationship of people with each other, there will be communist relations in production teams, but there will also be competitive methods of capitalism in assessing the results of organizations and, especially, administrative personnel ...
And there will be discoveries of our medical scientists who will help the society with diagnoses for mentally not quite normal people ....
And many more interesting things I would like to receive from modern scientists.

[captain]

Something I cannot understand. what many commentators here associate with socialism.? For me, let's say socialism is Sweden, with its social democratic principles in building the state. With its enviable GDP, with its standard of living, the guys of political instructors used to call it "the Swedish model of socialism." And what we had, in the USSR, is a sin to call socialism. We had military communism, cruel and merciless, which brought the USSR to collapse. When, at the expense of the citizens of the RSFSR (Russians, Tatar Bashkirs, Chuvash, Yakuts, etc.), they raised the national outskirts, which later wanted to separate from impoverished and drunken Russia (they had such an opinion, this is a consequence of Lenin's policy of raising the nat. outskirts). In the USSR, there was a genocide of the Russian people and the peoples inhabiting the RSFSR. We did not have socialism in the RSFSR, in the Baltic States, Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine ... it was, but we did not have it in Russia, we were a cash cow for the USSR,

[Rastas]

Rotmister, you are likened to all fans of Bandera, who claim that Russia has long been robbing Ukraine, which fed the entire RSFSR. The people's fronts of the national republics also built their propaganda on the alleged plundering of their republics by large Russia. In the early 90s, there was also talk in Russia that we would remove all the parasites from Central Asia, the Baltic states and the rest of the outskirts, and how we would live. Not healed. And in Sweden it’s not socialism, but socially oriented capitalism, which the Swedes built, taking experience from the USSR, including, are not shy about talking about it. But excuse me, how can you compare little Sweden and the geopolitical giant of the USSR. An arms race was not imposed on Sweden, the Cold War was not unleashed against it, it did not fight at all from 1809. And then, that Sweden you are talking about arose already in the 70s. And before that, people there did not live in abundance at all. But nobody allowed the Soviet Union to develop quietly.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: captain

We did not have socialism in the RSFSR, in the Baltic states, Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine .. was

Where were you born?

Or are you pleased to be aware of yourself as a macho-fan, a roofing sadist?

In the RSFSR there was the very socialism that we lost.
And there were fools, bosses throughout the Great USSR. And now, in each of the former Soviet republics, there are storytellers. as they did, they were almost personally oppressed by Lenin and Stalin.

Look without blinders in your eyes. And compare Russia and neighboring now independent countries.
After the worst pogrom - the 1990s - it was Russia that turned out to be powerful and progressive, ideologically stable and morally stable!
Do you want to thank the Communists for these trump cards of today?
Or will you repeat in anti-communist fervor that all the achievements of Russia, including Victory, space, nuclear weapons ... are the acts of Nikolai the Bloody?

[iouris]

Quote: captain

Something I can’t understand. what many commentators here associate with socialism.?

Socialism is the first phase of a communist society. There is no socialism in Sweden.

[JS20]

Quote: iouris

Socialism is the first phase of a communist society.

Socialism is the power of society, i.e. civil society. The term "socialism" in its real sense has nothing to do with the verbal masturbation of the Bolsheviks. It's just that even according to the Constitution of the USSR (the so-called "Constitution of victorious socialism"), where power from 1936. was officially taken away from the Soviets and transferred to the "party". And in her face, the supreme shaman of this pseudo-religious sect. Although the Soviets were also a screen for the Bolsheviks. But until 1936. at least they kept the appearance of decency.
Those. the fact that in the USSR there was quite officially no real socialism was visible even with the naked eye. This is simply a beautiful term that the Bolsheviks have spoiled.

Quote: iouris

And in Sweden there is no socialism, because they do not build communism.

Enchanting nonsense. And what does real socialism have to do with mythical communism?

[iouris]

Quote: captain

Something I can’t understand. what many commentators here associate with socialism.?

Socialism is the first (lowest) phase of a communist society (non-communism). And in Sweden there is no socialism, because they do not build communism.

[iouris]

Quote: captain

Something I can’t understand. what many commentators here associate with socialism.?

Socialism is the first (lowest) phase of a communist society (non-communism). And in Sweden there is no socialism, because they do not build communism.

[Mystery12345]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Mystery12345

... a country without ideology, without a goal ...

We have only four parties in the Duma and each has its own ideology, and you say there is no ideology ...
If the final goal is not announced to us, this does not mean that it is not. the goal of capitalism is to build a global slave-owning civilization.
Judging by the media, as the guides of the ideology of the prevailing concept, the goal of capitalism is to build a global slave-owning civilization.

I take your sarcasm as agreement with my thought ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Mystery12345

I take your sarcasm as agreement with my thought ...

Below in a post from 14:46 posted a video. Watch the first 15 minutes.

[aszzz888]

It seems that Europe feels this with its skin, and suddenly agreed to build the Nord Stream -2.

"Feels", does not feel - what to guess. There will be time - there will be food.

[avg-mgn]

The USSR also perished in due time because of the imposed idea of ​​equality of ideology (if you want, a unified one) for a whole group of states with different ethnic groups, the paths of historical development and understanding of the meaning of their existence at the moment.
On the other hand, no state will survive alone, no matter how much it wants.
Today, an attempt to form certain alliances under the idea of ​​a common financial space will also fail (EU example) to succeed - there will always be infringed and offended countries in the community. Any union (political or economic) can only be temporary, created only to solve a certain range of problems, and if the goal is achieved, it will inevitably die.
So answer yourself please for the community of states, what and whose national idea should be?
Each state on its own is obliged to form this real idea for its people, and not to come up with a certain blown ideal - this is a priori impossible. There is no own national idea - the people are doomed. (This is purely my opinion.).

[Boris55]

Quote: avg-mgn

Any union (political or economic) can only be temporary.

Judging by the fact that Russia, Russia, the USSR, and again Russia has existed for more than one millennium, your thesis about the temporality of unions of different nationalities raises great doubts. Your mistake is that you consider Russia as a state, when Russia is a civilization.

[avg-mgn]

Um ... no words-civilization! Then the rest of the World is cesspool?

[Boris55]

Quote: avg-mgn

Um ... no words-civilization! Then the rest of the World is cesspool?

Three civilizations have been formed around the world by now, and depending on who is friends with whom, it depends which ideology of globalization will triumph - Western: "Who is not under us, is against us" or ours: "Guys, let's live together."
In tsarist times, Russia was "friends" with the West against China
During Stalin's time, we were "friends" with China against the West
We are currently "friends" with China against the West
Which version of "friendship" suits you?

[Boris55]

Quote: avg-mgn

Um ... no words-civilization! Then the rest of the World is cesspool?

Three civilizations have been formed around the world by now, and depending on who is friends with whom, it depends which ideology of globalization will triumph - Western: "Who is not under us, is against us" or ours: "Guys, let's live together."
In tsarist times, Russia was "friends" with the West against China
During Stalin's time, we were "friends" with China against the West
We are currently "friends" with China against the West
Which version of "friendship" suits you?

[JS20]

Quote: Boris55

We are currently "friends" with China against the West

Does China know about this?

[Boris55]

And the east knows and the West knows.
The culture of Western civilization and the civilization of the East are different, just as the culture of Russia is different from the culture of the West and the East.

[JS20]

Quote: Boris55

The culture of Western civilization and the civilization of the East are different, just as the culture of Russia is different from the culture of the West and the East.

There is no "Western civilization" and there is no "civilization of the East". And everything else. There is an uneven development of human society on different parts of the land.

[Boris55]

Quote: JS20

There is no "Western civilization" and there is no "civilization of the East". And everything else. There is an uneven development of human society on different parts of the land.

Your statement draws on the doctrine of racial superiority.
And who do you think is the most underdeveloped: a resident of European civilization - a resident of Greece, a resident of eastern civilization - a resident of Japan, or Russians who sleep in a den with bears, drink vodka and eat herring?

[JS20]

Quote: Boris55

Your statement draws on the doctrine of racial superiority.

And yours, sheer stupidity.
The average inhabitant of Japan (what kind of "civilization" do you think?) Is 3 times richer than the same average Spaniard (and this is from what "civilization"?).
And the average Chinese from Taiwan, too.
In addition, he is 7 times richer than the average Chinese from mainland China.
What "doctrine" do you see here?
And the average Chilean is 16 times richer than the average Brazilian. Here, what is the "doctrine"?
He is almost 4 times richer than the average Russian. Ah yes Pinochet, oh yeah scoundrel.
And the average South African is 1,5 times richer than the average Romanian (EU member). Here, what is the "doctrine"?
https://www.allianz.com/v_1474281539000/media/eco
nomic_research / publications / specials / en / AGWR2016e
. Pdf

Quote: Boris55

And who do you think is the most underdeveloped: a resident of European civilization - a resident of Greece, a resident of eastern civilization - a resident of Japan, or Russians who sleep in a den with bears, drink vodka and eat herring?

And some other stupid nonsense. Has come up with some kind of "civilizations" and promotes.

[vezdehodov]

for the community of states, what and whose national idea should be?

The national idea in a multinational community, where in one family there can be very different representatives of different nationalities (for example, Russian and Tatar, the grandson may well be Ossetian), is a completely dead end, which ultimately buried all hopes of preserving and reviving the USSR. The main idea of ​​creating this state was to build a society social justice, which was successfully implemented by the 53rd year. Which partocracy successfully managed to destroy by the beginning of the 90s.

[avg-mgn]

And YOU lived at that time until the party democracy did not destroy ...
Write in a personal discussion separately.

[vezdehodov]

Quote: avg-mgn

And YOU lived at that time until the party democracy did not destroy ...
Write in a personal discussion separately.

Read more, learn about the period before and after 1953. I reinforce my point of view with the opinion of people who lived at that time, dear to me and not so much. There are a lot of such materials, books, articles, discussions on the Internet. Perhaps I would discuss this with you, but alas, you did not interest me as an interlocutor. Nothing personal, be healthy.

[DREDD]

Some kind of stupid article. "Provide future generations", "create the preconditions ...", "do all the good and remove all the bad", the Captain sobs the obvious aside ... The main message is to leave everything as it is, but this will not work.

[Stirbjorn]

so this is Kamenev - he has the whole principle of articles, built on licking by a higher.

Moreover, real production in Russia today, even under sanctions, is growing, and only low oil prices have slightly reduced our total GDP.

This is generally nonsense, this year the oil most of the time fluctuated around $ 50, but the GDP was still in the red

[Vadim237]

The budget receives for the year, from one dollar per barrel above $ 40, about 64 billion rubles, if oil lasts all year around $ 60, then plus to the budget will be about 1280 billion rubles - maybe this year’s budget will be lucky with a minimal deficit, and then generally devil in short supply.

[Blackmokona]

With a deficit of more than 3000 billion, but not in life.

[0255]

Quote: Stirbjorn

so this is Kamenev - he has the whole principle of articles, built on licking by a higher.

It seems to me that such Kamenevs will work well under any government, they will propagate the one who pays them.

[0255]

Quote: DREDD

Some kind of stupid article. "Provide future generations", "create the preconditions ...", "do all the good and remove all the bad", the Captain sobs the obvious aside ... The main message is to leave everything as it is, but this will not work.

Well, yes, you can't rock the boat and scold the authorities, otherwise it will be like in Ukraine, if anything is bad, the rotting west is to blame, and whoever is dissatisfied with anything is an agent of the State Department, a liberalist and the fifth column. We have such propaganda in Belarus for a long time, Russian propaganda after 2014 resembles our Belarusian model of the "zero".

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: 0255

Well, yes, you can't rock the boat and scold the authorities, otherwise it will be like in Ukraine, if anything is bad, the rotting west is to blame, and whoever is dissatisfied with anything is an agent of the State Department, a liberalist and the fifth column. We have such propaganda in Belarus for a long time, Russian propaganda after 2014 resembles our Belarusian model of the "zero".

I propose to shoot Comrade 0255 as an enemy of the people, and to unite Belarus with Israel in order to facilitate the socio-economic management of remote Russian lands.

[populist]

DREDD
Some kind of stupid article.

The article is competent and quite self-explanatory, only its main idea is the opposite of the prevailing public opinion. Public opinion considers it necessary to identify and name the national idea, and this article closes the national idea, levels it and discredits it.

[0255]

Quote: populist

The article is competent and quite self-explanatory, only its main idea is the opposite of the prevailing public opinion.

Nonsense, the same as other articles of this author on the topics "glory to Putin", "glory to Trump", "Ukraine will fall apart" Adequate people do not take such articles seriously for a long time

[populist]

0255
Quote: populist
The article is competent and quite self-explanatory, only its main idea is the opposite of the prevailing public opinion.

Bullshit, the same as other articles of this afftor

Perhaps I didn’t put it clearly for everyone.
This article is a manipulation of consciousness.
Such articles and other means will fill the information space in order to change public opinion, those in order to force Russian society to abandon the national idea.
This article is far from the first and the authors are different.

[Stinger]

where we go?

We’re not going anywhere. Already arrived. We are trying to replace the priests of the Marxist parish with Orthodox priests. That is the whole idea. But she already was. Whether it was the case with EBN was Gaidar's idea - to catch up with Portugal! For the sake of it, they destroyed the entire industry, but did not catch up.

[Vadim237]

"For her sake, the entire industry was destroyed" But not all - only a third. And it is not a fact that these enterprises, if they had not been plundered, would now be working.

[knn54]

That's when the power will have its own elite. And not the current account. Whose real estate is abroad. Whose money does not work for the Fatherland. Try to withdraw money from the country in Israel, it will not seem enough. Yes, and the opposition (a unique phenomenon) are not GRANTEED patriots .
It seems that again the Stalin-Beria tandem is needed (as the builders of the New Great Country). And at once there will be funds, an ideology. But time is getting less and less ...

[TNT]

Quote: knn54

from when the power will have its own elite. and not the current account. whose real estate is abroad. whose money does not work for the Fatherland. Try to withdraw money from a country in Israel

Absolutely free and without any problems.
As they say, pay taxes and do whatever you want with money.
Though penguins in Antarctica translate

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: TNT

As they say, pay taxes and do whatever you want with money.

The key phrase is pay taxes. And we are being withdrawn in order not to pay them.

[Alexander S.]

I personally do not need any idea. If only the country was strong and independent ... and the opportunities were to do what they liked and raise many children. And all these sublime ideas that can not be felt ... they are good at first ... and then they bother everyone.

[Mavrikiy]

Normal crap.
This is a reflection on our old question, “Camo coming?”
Do not you confuse, ours is "who is to blame? And what to do?"
Because there is, Prilepin writes, “a sensation of a break in our minds. Who are we? Where are we?"
We are not Japanese and Nenaglo Saxons. We are at home. Where does sick reflection come from?
And there are people who express it.
Well, 2-3% of the conscious population in the hospital, or something.
One paragraph of "smart" questions ...... How long?

[vlad007]

What national idea did Peter the Great have? Specifically! Didn't they steal under Peter the Great? They stole! But they did it, and if they didn't, then the head flew from the shoulders! Read the story "Epifanievskie locks" by Andrey Platonov.

[populist]

vlad007
And what was the national idea of ​​Peter the Great? Specifically!

Formulated a question - formulate an answer.
Or the baggage of knowledge is lacking, the "Epifaniev's" locks are not written?

[Pre-cat]

The national idea for the state is the same as the purpose of life for a single person. There is no purpose - you live like an animal - eat, sleep, copulate. Here is the state we have now - it pumps its muscles, which in itself is not bad, there is someone to beat, but for what purposes? Is it really only so that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer? This has already passed and we know how it ended. In addition, the national idea should be accepted by the majority of citizens, if not with enthusiasm, then at least with an understanding of its necessity. And it should be so great that people who are imbued with it would be ready to give their lives for it, like the communists during the years of the Civil and Great Patriotic Wars, but where it will come from is not clear to me. Not from our side 'or you" that's for sure - they’re too small and too vague. And to advance a worthy idea, real ascetics, fanatics are needed, I will not be afraid of this word. And the current life in a market economy - the life of a farmyard - devoured, by .... l of a neighbor, raped a female of tricks - and you are the coolest cock in the area.

[avg-mgn]

You seem to be saying everything correctly, but putting the need for a "national idea" at the forefront, you don't even give a hint - what it is in your understanding.
In Soviet times there was an idea: Equality - it was, did not grow together! Brotherhood - as it was not, it isn’t (you won’t be forcibly sweet)! Happiness - it didn’t happen for everyone! No USSR, but idea for EVERYONE never appeared.
So who or what is there our "National Idea"?

[Pre-cat]

Alas, I would know what to offer - I would offer. But I know for sure that the national idea should exalt, make a person grow, both mentally and spiritually. And do not lower it on the principle of Protestantism - if I am successful (I have earned a million), then God loves me and I do everything right.

[gladcu2]

pre-cat

The fact that capitalism is bad, everyone knows in the USA too.

But what to do with it? And How?
With or without ideas. The result is important.

[populist]

avg-mgn
So who or what is our "National Idea"?

Now our national idea is the protection, preservation and development of Russian civilization.

[avg-mgn]

populist answer
Now our national idea is the protection, preservation and development of Russian civilization.
It seems to be nothing to argue with .... Question How ??? The moment is missed, you must admit - the initiative is after the PLANT from the WEST, the consequences are just around the corner, the children are oriented, if we are unable to correct the grandchildren too ... I personally have no answer.

[populist]

avg-mgn
Missed moment, agree

I can’t agree, the moment is far from missed.

WEST PLANT initiative

So you need to counterattack from the flanks (we are in

children are oriented

The situation here is not critical. It is quite normal for young people.

Question How ???

This is a matter of strategy, tactics, organization, awareness, etc.
Example. The president signed the law on slap. This is a direct attack on Russian civilization. Concerned public are fighting for its abolition.
Three more attacks from Yu.Yu. - joint training of children and idiots, the admission of psychologists to children and the expansion of police powers in relation to children.
There is still TV, media, the Yeltsin Center - a lot of work.

[avg-mgn]

I note a certain statement, the options and proposals for their implementation are zero. This is your problem, mine and probably the country.

[Pre-cat]

Everyone in his place must do something. Raising children with normal and not applications for computers and tablets is completely in our power. To teach them to think with their own head and not repeat what they try in the media and show in wretched talk shows. To argue with them on an equal footing, reasonedly and not only on a principle - I’m older and you still. Well, and, if possible, do not be silent when they do something indecent with you. At least somehow help someone in trouble. We can do it all. And from this, even a small contribution, the world will become even a little better. And you yourself will become, even in your own eyes, more significant.

[Pre-cat]

Everyone in his place must do something. Raising children with normal and not applications for computers and tablets is completely in our power. To teach them to think with their own head and not repeat what they try in the media and show in wretched talk shows. To argue with them on an equal footing, reasonedly and not only on a principle - I’m older and you still. Well, and, if possible, do not be silent when they do something indecent with you. At least somehow help someone in trouble. We can do it all. And from this, even a small contribution, the world will become even a little better. And you yourself will become, even in your own eyes, more significant.

[Pre-cat]

Everyone in his place must do something. Raising children with normal and not applications for computers and tablets is completely in our power. To teach them to think with their own head and not repeat what they say in the media and show in wretched talk shows. To argue with them on an equal footing, reasonedly and not only on a principle - I’m older and you still. Well, and, if possible, do not be silent when they do something indecent with you. At least somehow help someone in trouble. We can do it all. And from this, even a small contribution, the world will become even a little better. And you yourself will become, even in your own eyes, more significant.

[parusnik]

There is a national idea of ​​"robbing the loot" .. And the fact that the fish rots from the head is an excuse for the tail ... It has come to this in the county ... that no one wants to become the head of the administration .. shoot for theft .. either they were honest, they left themselves .. It is not possible to work or steal and let's steal .. or leave ..

[avg-mgn]

There is such an old joke (the end of the last century) -
A lesson on whose dad is cooler (I omit the preamble):
Little Johnny pulls out his hand: "Mary Ivanna. And my dad works as a robber."
MI: "?????" (faints), but not ..., rakes the grass from the lawns with grabs ...
And you about morality and its values ​​...

[gladcu2]

parusnik

Conclusions can be drawn for your comment.

Power dictates the economic system.

Push.
Democracy, as the rule of the majority, is not possible. Since they can’t hold power, they are slipping into dictatorship. What is sustainable?

[Forever so]

While the market type of economy dominates the whole world, Russia cannot go alone against this trend, they have already tried it once.

The Stalinist market economy raised the USSR after a difficult war for several years. Author, who are you lying to ?? The Brezhnev economy, the Khrushchev economy, naturally could not compete with the Western one, but at the same time spending huge amounts on an arms race against the WHOLE WORLD, the USSR remained afloat. Author are you lying to someone ?? In general, the suction of the anus of today's thieves' elite is counted. Not the first article trying to try on thieves with Mercedes and robbed people without a future and present.

[Boris55]

Quote: Forever so

The Brezhnev economy, the Khrushchev economy, naturally could not compete with the western one,

Khrushchev proclaimed the slogan: "We will catch up and overtake America." Thus, he actually attached us to the tail of capitalism, changed the vector of goals from raising the welfare of all to raising the welfare of the individual. In the 90s, his dream came true - we caught up with America in terms of the number of millionaires and beggars ...

[avg-mgn]

I RESPOND SPECIFICALLY TO THE AUTHOR COMMENT

Forever so
And your grandfathers and parents did not go through this same anus? Paying tribute to the generations of people who went to their deaths during the Great Patriotic War (fingers do not allow the Second World War to be written), who raised Tselina, built BAM and at the cost of huge human sacrifices who tamed the atom and mastered space, I’ll tell you - YOU LIE !!!

[0255]

Author, where did you see the victory in Donbass? Maybe Russia recognized the LDNR? Or Donetsk and Lugansk have stopped shelling? Or Novorossiya emerged from 8 regions of "former" Ukraine (oh, why is the word "Novorossia" not mentioned anywhere in the Russian media)? How do the Minsk agreements relate to "victory"?
While people from both sides are dying in the Donbass, until he has received at least a special status as part of Ukraine in accordance with Minsk-2, it is too early to declare victory. Would he send the author himself under fire, how would he like life in LDNR?
If Putin outplayed everyone in Syria, then why are NATO planes bombing it, why are incomprehensible agreements signed with "moderate terrorists", if at the beginning of the operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces they proudly declared that "we do not understand the varieties of ..."?

[sds87]

0255, you are asking uncomfortable questions that you will not get answers to. All of Putin's "good luck" is voiced exclusively by our media. In fact, everything is not so rosy. Our elite is tightly held by the US balls. The elite's money is in foreign banks. So the elite is forced to play to someone else's tune. And what freedom of action the RF has is a big question. And all our actions in Syria and Donbas raise big questions. Instead of defending its interests, Russia subscribes to other people's interests and begins to put pressure on the brake instead of the gas pedal. This is how independent States do not behave. This slurred behavior is more suitable for those who sit firmly on a leash and begin to bark only when the owner orders. Independence Games ...

[avg-mgn]

Do not judge (if your flag). Who would, and whose would be from the couch.

[0255]

Quote: avg-mgn

Do not judge (if your flag).

if I am from Belarus, then I can’t have my own opinion on Russian propaganda?

[avg-mgn]

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend your national pride, I'm from Russia and also have my own opinion. Therefore, the discussion of the topic of Donbass and Ukraine as a whole can be continued with you when “Minsk” becomes at least 1% an issue concerning Belarus. Whether you like it or not, the Donbass issue is not up to you and not us, people will figure it out, because they have to live there and whose propaganda is not in the business.

[Prince of Pensions]

Some offer to build the USSR - 2, an improved version, of course.

That is, priests are not against the wall and in prisons, but injections into a vein or electric chair? Are atheists of the new USSR 2.0 afraid of this opium?

[Vadim237]

In Russia, there is now another "opium" - drug trafficking, the left gave drink, as well as the lack of an effective fight against these threats.

[Mestny]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Have you ever seen anyone dead because of the inability to pay for the operation?

And this must be assumed only in Russia? The rest of the lights of civilization must be assumed that everything is in order, there are no people who are unable to pay for the operation?

[kunstkammer]

While the market type of economy dominates the whole world, Russia cannot go alone against this trend

This is not the problem. And the fact that with Putin’s rule, Russia has seated on the splits.
Who is Putin confronting the world, so to speak? Confronts globalists, rabid liberals and world lawlessnesses. And it finds the support of the majority of Russian citizens.
However, whom does Putin support inside Russia? Yes, those same followers of globalism and IMF adherents. Who is Putin's best friend? The best followers of the politics of globalism and monetarism.
And if all over the world such figures are already fed up and are slowly replacing them, then in Russia they don’t even think of changing them.
And while Russia will sit upright - there is one policy for export, but inside everything is as before ....

[Altona]

I know FIG, I found good simple verses yesterday. Read. can recognize yourself:

[Dok133]

Quote: Mestny

Quote: Thunderbolt

Have you ever seen anyone dead because of the inability to pay for the operation?

And this must be assumed only in Russia? The rest of the lights of civilization must be assumed that everything is in order, there are no people who are unable to pay for the operation?

I am additionally a medical worker, I work in a federal medical institution, spinal operations are performed.
Most operations take place according to quotas, which, incidentally, is about 300 thousand rubles on average. The patient pays nothing.
What is typical, while being treated in this way at the expense of the federal budget, I met people who, at the same time, curse the anti-popular bloody Putin dictatorship, and some repeat the stories that Russia is the country where the least order and so on. Armenian was) - "Well, I don't like Russia, where you are treated for free, go to Turkey, there they will tear off your boss right away, and you won't get sick."
Yes, and still drinking or not hawthorn is a personal choice. The State Duma banned smoking in medical institutions, yes, I don’t remember the laws about hawthorn.

[Kenneth]

Speak very true. And everyone decides for themselves whether to drink or not to drink the lotion. I can’t sentence a bottle of Koenigsberg for the second year. And Genesi has been standing at the bar for about five years.

[mr.redpartizan]

These are all the consequences of the erroneous national policy of the USSR and the Republic of Ingushetia, when the nationalists were pulled by the ears into a bright future and gave them freebies. Now all these "brothers" consider the Russians to be indebted to them, demand an increase in rations, threaten to go over to our enemies.

[34 region]

12.21. Doc133? But why, then, constant ads to raise money for operations? Why residents of our region in Volgograd (require money for everyone) are treated for a fee, and in Saratov for free. How so? One country, one ministry, but the situations are different?

[Dok133]

I don’t claim that the situation is ideal, maybe even far from ideal. But we must try to see the whole picture.
Here, of course, this is not the place to discuss it, but since you asked, quotas are allocated for certain operations. If there is some difficult or rare case, there is no quota for it, then money is collected.
Let's see more broadly how wealth is distributed in our country. I agree with the left, which is wrong.
A well-known coach of the Russian national football team received more than half a billion rubles a year at a rate that could heal a lot of people.
But our people love football so much ...
It is possible to make claims and to those in power, top managers receive tens of millions of dollars a year, this is during the crisis, and we are cutting spending on health care, well, and that's true.

[Kenneth]

There used to be an idea that even our children or grandchildren would live under communism
For what we are here tormented. Now there is an opportunity to build personal communism
The separation between those who did not succeed in principle and who are trying to move in this direction.

[mr.redpartizan]

The national idea should be to build a superpower equal to the United States. Russia can exist for a long time only in one form - in the form of an empire. Any attempts to build a UNION always end in failure (and not only in our country), because there has never been equality between different peoples, there is not, and cannot be. If the "international community" is hindering us in building a strong state, then it must be beaten, and it should be beaten hard. No one from abroad has the right to dictate to us the rules of the game within the country and abroad, and such behavior of "partners" should be suppressed in the bud by ANY means, up to the use of strategic nuclear forces. You need to understand that building an empire is impossible in a non-violent way, so we have to finish off a lot of foreigners on this path, turn millions of square kilometers into wasteland. If someone thinks that this path is terrible, then he is a fool and a coward, unworthy to be called Russian. Our great ancestors, not sparing themselves, expanded the borders of the Motherland, conquered new horizons in science and technology, influenced the course of world history. Liberalism is not suitable for a superpower because the main goal of a liberal is the unrestrained consumption of material goods and services, he is afraid of real work, afraid of difficulties, afraid of HIS blood.

[Boris55]

Quote: mr.redpartizan

The national idea should be to build a superpower equal to the USA ...

Two gendarmes one planet can not stand.
Putin in his message to the federal assembly gave the idea of ​​unification, but few people understood this ...

[mr.redpartizan]

Those. should we merge to avoid slaughter? 30 years of shit democracy caused Russia more damage than WWII, so the war is far from the worst thing. My great-grandfathers all fought in the Second World War, one died at the front, another was left without toes as a result of frostbite, my grandfather defended the country's interests in Egypt during the 56th year of war for Suez. They all considered it an honor to fulfill their duty to the country, no one tried to avoid being sent to hell.

[Boris55]

Quote: mr.redpartizan

Those. should we merge to avoid slaughter?

We have nothing to share with the peasants. We fought in the civilian and white and red fights and have forgiven each other for a long time, got married and do not remember, but with promissory notes, and similar exploiters, we will not sit on the same field. The whites were different - some for Russia and some for the estate with servants ... and among the Communists there were Bolsheviks and Trotskyists ...
For the unification of all those who support Russia, for its development and against those who hinder it.

[Vadim237]

"30 years of crap have caused more damage to Russia than the Second World War" - Oh, nafig, do not fantasize.

[Kenneth]

That is, instead of a communist international empire to build a fascist. Do you offer this?

[mr.redpartizan]

International ideology failed, unfortunately. Not all peoples accepted the idea of ​​building a strong multinational state of a social orientation, or rather they wanted to get all the benefits of socialism at the expense of the state-forming ethnic group - Russians. All citizens of the state should make the same contribution to its development, regardless of their nationality, and we do not need freeloaders.

[Boris55]

Quote: mr.redpartizan

International ideology failed, unfortunately ...

I would say she was perverted and failed. Under Stalin, all the republics included in the union provided for themselves. The function of the union state was mainly limited in organizing their security and implementing joint projects. As the republics could provide for their own life, they lived like that. It was only then that the Ukrainians came and, as always, they were too clever ...

[Kenneth]

You can make the same tablet for the regions of Russia. Then find out what Muscovites feed Kirov and so on. And what you advocate was trying to create one burned man whose corpse was found in Berlin.

[Kenneth]

Good. Moscow feeds Dagestan, Ossetia and so on. Or they are also Russian. By the way, in Moscow, not only Russians.

[mr.redpartizan]

All citizens of the country must work, making an equal contribution to its economy, I have already named an exception. In the USSR, the outskirts were often subsidized from the budget so that they lived better than most regions of the RSFSR. A striking example is the Baltics. Freebies always lead to "exclusivity".

[Kenneth]

Due to whom. In Kirov, for example, there are no enterprises with high profitability. Even in the sandbox there is no equality. You are preaching the absurd.

[mr.redpartizan]

Absolute equality has never been and never will be, but the ideal should still be sought. Here are questions for the administration of these enterprises, the city and the region. Production is bent - it means they produce non-competitive products, they steal a lot. The task of the state is to enforce laws, create incentives for economic growth, and not to order frankly bad products to maintain pants in the workplace. If the enterprise is state-owned, then all questions to hired directors who cannot ensure the development of production. In Russia, there are many successful companies (public and private), where employees have a good social package and decent salary, and the equipment is updated regularly. Basically, these are large state monopolies or private companies created from scratch. Enterprises in state ownership or PRIVATIZATNYA grabbers, where equipment has not been updated since the extinction of dinosaurs, are often in distress.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Kenneth

Then find out what Muscovites feed Kirov and so on

Quote: Kenneth

Moscow feeds Dagestan, Ossetia and so on.

So when did Maskvabad become the nurse of Russia?
This makes no sense.

[Kenneth]

Moscow region donor
That is, it produces more than it consumes.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Kenneth

Moscow region donor
That is, it produces more than it consumes.

yeah on the fix
It’s funny, at least, because
does not tell about how much money Yakutia first gives to the federal budget?) On the example of Saratov. Saratov earned 100 million rubles. Of these, 60% went to the federal budget, 30% to the regional, and only 10% goes to the city itself, which must somehow support itself with this money ... and then Moscow gives "subsidies" and is a donor region .. ...

On fingers. There is a large production company that works in some region / region. Her head office is in Moscow, respectively, in the same place and legal address. It is just easier and more convenient to sell your product and interact with officials. In whose budget will the taxes on the profits of this company, which it earned in some region / region, fall into? That's right, the money will go to the MOSCOW budget. The head office is located there, which pays taxes.
Therefore, it is so thoughtless to refer to the data of the Ministry of Finance, not being able to analyze them, at least it is stupid.
And, for example, Peter became a donor only after Gazprom moved there. And taxpayers flee from the regions themselves, or move to the place of birth of the leadership.

[Vadim237]

If the annual GDP of Moscow and the region is 25 trillion rubles, there are hundreds of institutes and design bureaus, thousands of factories, factories and more than a million private owners.

[Cat man null]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

This makes no sense

- Th, break the template?
- you’ve been advised correctly:

Quote: Kenneth

You can make the same tablet for the regions of Russia. Then find out what Muscovites feed Kirov and so on

- now compose, study, and the template will fall into place
- just don't shout about "enterprises registered in Moscow", taxes from which go to Moscow
- otherwise I’ll remind you about the structure of taxes (federal, regional and local, in short), and which of them goes where
- the template will snap into place again. But it will be quite painful and unproductive

[Grandadmiral]

I almost completely agree with you.

[Ham]

Vitya Tsoi recalled:
"everyone says that we are together ...
everyone says - but no one knows what ... "

[siberalt]

Quote: Balu

The national idea in any country at all times is the same: home, family, work, prosperity, peace, stability. Any country is one big Family. Family values ​​are the basis for the prosperity of any state. But families, as they say, are not without freaks, I mean not only grant eaters and swamp mold, but we are a regular at gatherings in American and other embassies, "friends" of Ambassador McFaul, Ambassador Tufft and other huskies.

Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. Taki, turn a warm toilet into an idea. But you cannot build it without an "idea".

[maxim1987]

Quote: 0255

Author, where did you see the victory in Donbass? Maybe Russia recognized the LDNR? Or Donetsk and Lugansk have stopped shelling? Or Novorossiya emerged from 8 regions of "former" Ukraine (oh, why is the word "Novorossia" not mentioned anywhere in the Russian media)? How do the Minsk agreements relate to "victory"?
While people from both sides are dying in the Donbass, until he has received at least a special status as part of Ukraine in accordance with Minsk-2, it is too early to declare victory. Would he send the author himself under fire, how would he like life in LDNR?
If Putin outplayed everyone in Syria, then why are NATO planes bombing it, why are incomprehensible agreements signed with "moderate terrorists", if at the beginning of the operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces they proudly declared that "we do not understand the varieties of ..."?

exactly. many shout about some victories this year. I personally consider this year a victory only for the recognition of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk by the internal sea of ​​Russia. And again there is an agreement with Japan (unilateral concessions). New Russia, no words, some feelings, Syria, the whole year on the whistle flying to Kerry Lavrov in order to sign "Geneva" -1,2,3, etc. Correct me

[0255]

Quote: maximNNX

Correct me

Right now, perhaps the author of the article himself will correct you - he will call you a "guest from the censor", because how dare you not believe his "analytics" from the word "anal"

[sds87]

There will be no answers from those who brainwash the population.

[0255]

Quote: sds87

There will be no answers from those who brainwash the population.

No, Kamenev answered me 3 times, accused me of lying for disagreeing with his nonsense

[0255]

Another afftor answer to my questions:

[asher]

It is for this "great" thought that I hate democrats and liberals: "As long as the market type of economy dominates the whole world, Russia cannot go alone against this trend, they have already tried it once." Yes, the author tried and tasted well, half the world fed and did not starve themselves, but created everything on which Russia is still based. Our land and country is completely self-sufficient, especially if we return everything that was illegally dumped by numerous nationalists in the west and south. And there is a great idea in Russia, and it is being intensively propagated by our media, our distribution of income. The propaganda of consumerism and the constant display of some freaks of drunken and degraded and aging kings and pop divas, huge and incomprehensible gaps in salary levels for the same job and huge incomes of parasites - this is our home!

[asher]

We were so afraid of war and blood, so screaming No to war! and Peace to the World !, that they chose the shame of the collapse of the country in 1991, and the new owners robbed us so much that it was as if two wars had passed. Now they continue to rob the country, but they began to invest in the war. However, what a country without an idea (it’s not clear where to strive and whom to look up to) and what kind of war, when there are partners around and it’s not clear for what purpose to die!

[16112014nk]

Medvedev’s economy and GDP are growing. True, this growth, as Medvedev said, is negative. But who, apart from economists, will delve into the details?
...Russia's external successes ... in the form of millionaires
The success of Russia, if anyone provides, is only its people, at the expense of their lives on the verge of survival.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: 16112014nk

Medvedev's economy and GDP are growing. True, this growth, as Medvedev said, is negative. But who, apart from economists, will delve into the details?

DAM clearly said that until recently, the economic decline was 7%, i.e. -7, and now the growth was about 2%, tokmo forgot to say that now we are falling at a rate of 5%.
Gee-gee

[Vadim237]

"If anyone ensures the success of Russia, then only its people, at the expense of their lives on the brink of survival." We are on the verge of extinction only: drunks, homeless people and drug addicts, and those who have a head on their shoulders and hands will always earn their living and everything else.

[Rastas]

5 points to you, Vadim237. Drunkards, homeless people, drug addicts are on the verge of extinction, and manufacturers of surrogate alcohol, drugs and raiders who deceive people who then remain on the street are in abundance. They have enough for life and everything else. Statistics is a stubborn thing, it is unlikely that 22 million Russians who live below the poverty line are all parasites. It is strange that your cynicism is not peculiar to Russian culture at all, which always tried to find the reasons why a person was at the bottom, to help him, and not to immediately put a stamp on him.

[taipan]

So this is a Muscovite, and they are Muscovites, they feed the whole of Russia. Because then all the rest for them ...

[Vadim237]

At the expense of 22 million poor people - these figures are rather overstated - they are judged by official income but most of them have unofficial income and we will never know where they earn and how much they earn, the poor team is quite different, there are many idlers, large families, people with disabilities, pensioners, etc., and as for drug addicts and alcoholics - this is the choice of the person himself, wants to use, will use - there will be no demand and there will be no offer - unfortunately now it's the other way around.

[Vadim237]

At the expense of 22 million poor people - these figures are rather overstated - they are judged by official income but most of them have unofficial income and we will never know where they earn and how much they earn, the poor team is quite different, there are many idlers, large families, people with disabilities, pensioners, etc., and as for drug addicts and alcoholics - this is the choice of the person himself, wants to use, will use - there will be no demand and there will be no offer - unfortunately now it's the other way around.

[16112014nk]

Quote: Vadim237

on the verge of extinction only: drunks, homeless people and drug addicts,

This is how Chubais and Gaidar thought about the people in the early 90s. "If they die out, it's okay - they just didn't fit into the market."

[Vadim237]

This is the only thing in which Chubais and Gaidar were right - the country does not need drunks of homeless people and drug addicts - they only have problems and no workers from them.

[ingenera]

About the USSR 2.0 is nonsense. Someone else is thinking. what can you collect in a bunch of "fugitive republics"? And how can they be attracted? But the question is for the authorities - what are we building? - has no answer. Socialism? he was already. Some kind of special "social capitalism?" - it doesn't look like it, because the authorities don't give a damn about the "social sphere". Capitalism like in Europe and the USA? - something not very attractive. It looks like we are at another dead end, sad as it is. It is impossible to satisfy the ambitions of profit and the desires of power in some (oligarchs) and provide a decent life for others (the people). And the myth about the "middle class" ... These are the people who are "milked" by their superiors and will be robbed and killed by the "have-nots" in any unstable situation in the state. Here are them - yes, we need more so that there is enough for everyone

[Vadim237]

“Someone else thinks. That it is possible to collect in a bunch of“ fugitive republics. ”Here the republics are traitors and freeloaders - they have already clearly shown their attitude towards Russia, let them roll in the same direction as“ Bratskaya Ukraina ”is going now.

[Vlad5307]

The real goal of a normal state is to ensure future generations, creating economic, spiritual, moral and military-political prerequisites for their development. It seems that we are building such a Russian state today, without the slogan noise and dust ...

That is precisely why socialist methods of management (not to be confused with pseudo-socialism) in the future can ensure such a development of society. Capitalist monopoly, in the form of TNCs, therefore hinders the development of the national economies of other countries and regions - this is a threat to their existence, and when did the capitalists voluntarily leave ?! Their retreat ended with the collapse of the not-so-socialist system created after Stalin, whose era laid the foundation for the transition to socialism, but this opportunity was missed by those who came to power after him. TNCs went on the offensive, and this was marked by the construction of a mess in the BV and Africa, an attempt to crush the economies of the EU countries completely and replace all national governments in full. But the apologists of militant capitalism miscalculated and a wave of return to statehood began, and Russia raised this wave again, disagreeing with the role assigned to it by the "world government".

[den-protector]

Now in Russia, unfortunately, there is no leader at the level of F. Castro, V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin, E. Guevara, who would be for the people, and not a protege of some bunch of hucksters. The people themselves will not unite. There are fears that, as in the Outskirts, some hucksters may use popular discontent against others. People do not need this, because again deceived, as in 1991-1993 and to the present. Our main problem is the colossal stratification and polarization of our society, which is actually divided into the estates of masters and everyone else (as yet personally, but conditionally, free). In the USSR, too, the "kingdom of heaven" was not observed, i.e. one hundred percent justice, but there was certainly no such lawlessness, as it is now. Another problem that we got from 1991 and related to the first problem is the robbery of the people by squeezing out (privatizing) state and collective farm property by a bunch of former communists and Komsomol members who suddenly became democrats and entrepreneurs, denouncers of the Soviet totalitarian regime. These problems are slowly but surely pulling our long-suffering country into a new Troubles. War and devastation really do not want to. Our "partners" will immediately take advantage of this. But you cannot live on like that. If any cardinal changes are possible, then only as a result of some kind of emergency of all-Russian scale, when the country may be on the verge of destruction. The sluggish civil war escalated after the 1991 bourgeois coup. We must face the truth. Society is still divided into red and white and the Communists have nothing to do with it. Recently, pro-government political, pseudo-cultural figures and groups have made more and more attempts to impose on the population of Russia the idea of ​​"reconciliation" between the "red" (the majority of the population robbed since 1991) and the "white" (bourgeois, bureaucrats, "creative" intelligentsia, etc. the "elite" of society). It is felt that Military Review did not escape this trend, there are many similar conciliatory throws. This is done to maintain the existing status quo, i.e. the power of the bourgeoisie over the rest of the poor population and to continue such a "banquet". The idea of ​​"reconciliation" supposedly to maintain a common country for all. We do not need a new Troubles, but unless the "elite" has peacefully surrendered the acquired back-breaking labor since 1991. The current "elite" itself will not build socialism and will not allow others. Therefore, the question of further prospects for the development of Russia remains open. Does such a country have a happy future for slaves and masters? The year 1917 showed that no. Under capitalism, I believe that Russia has one perspective - the Time of Troubles. As it is not regrettable. What should be “tomorrow” so that it, this “tomorrow” the country generally had. We need a transition to a new state system - socialism (taking into account the mistakes of the Soviet Union), the nationalization of strategic sectors of the economy, the elimination of private ownership of the means of production. It is necessary to change ideology (not superficial, official-patriotic), state system, mobilization economy and preparation of the country for a possible global war. Perhaps the blind man does not see the increasing possibility of such a war. Need a purge of society from top to bottom. And such large-scale events are possible only under socialism, if the leader of the country and his team have political will. As for Himself, he is most likely part of this same "elite" or family, and he stands guard over its interests. Well, I will not believe for anything that EBN suddenly had a conscience at the end of 1999, and he decided to retire. Just the so-called elite decided to change the top manager. As for the economy, unfortunately, it is focused mainly on the export of raw materials. The economy stagnates for a long time, if it does not fall. Why do we need to develop our industry? It’s better to let foreigners start on something that has not yet been stolen and aggravate dependence on TNCs (TNBs). Import substitution is just a fiction. Replacing one import with another. According to the zombie man, they always talk about the opening of some new industries. Where is it, maybe on another planet? I don’t know how in other cities, but in my hometown (the administrative center of the subject of the Russian Federation in the NWFD) and in the region too, everything only falls below the plinth, with work getting worse and worse. The population is tense at the most I can not, as the last elections showed. Given the low turnout, the elections showed that people are more for the foreign policy of the President of the Russian Federation than for United Russia, which was covered by its popularity. EP itself is nothing, another oligarchic project with a pseudo-patriotic bias.

[JS20]

Quote: den-protector

Now in Russia, unfortunately, there is no level leader F. Castro, V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin, E. Guevara, who would be for the people,

If you are looking for someone who would be "for the people", then find yourself other idols. Less successful and hard to come up with.

Quote: den-protector

The current "elite" itself will not build socialism and will not allow others.

This is only in the jokes Vinitu 2 times on the mop does not come. And in the life of those who wish, at least a dime a dozen.

Quote: den-protector

We do not need a new Troubles, but unless the "elite" has peacefully surrendered the acquired back-breaking labor since 1991.

Here it is, the main idea. Select and divide. This is the main "building of socialism". Because very soon after the carve-up there will be famine. The "builders of socialism" do not know how to work and do not want to. And there will be no one to re-select and divide from anyone, and nothing. We'll have to habitually starve and get cold. Because, enemies are all around.
Lord, how many times does one and the same thing have to go in a circle before some understand the point?

Quote: den-protector

Under capitalism, I believe that Russia has one perspective - the Time of Troubles.

You, to begin with, live to see capitalism. He is not even visible on the horizon. And he already knows all his prospects. Nostradamus.

[den-protector]

I don't know how old you are, but the "builders of socialism" built what you and your parents lived on all these years. And in 1991, the hucksters just took it all away and divided it up. In order to see the prospects of a country under capitalism, it is not necessary to be Nostradamus, you just need to sincerely love your homeland, and not loot.

[JS20]

Quote: den-protector

what you and your parents have lived on all these years

Do you think that the free "builders of capitalism" would build less than the forced "builders of socialism"? Do you have enough strength to break away from the "correct dogmas" and look around? Do not bother you that "socialist countries" are a worldwide synonym for poverty and hunger. All over the world, no exceptions. And all sorts of "tigers", they are completely NOT "socialist".
Think about this "weirdness" at your leisure.

Quote: den-protector

And in 1991, hucksters just took all this away and divided it.

Who do you have? What can be taken away from someone who has nothing but a dusty carpet on the wall and a crystal vase on the table?
Didn’t you get anything? Have you privatized the apartment? Suburban area received-privatized?
Are you a huckster, it turns out? Sure no.
By the way, hucksters are buyers of stolen goods. What and from whom did your "hucksters" buy? What exactly was stolen from you? Reasoning about public property? So they weren't worth a penny. It was all a lie. Demagogy.
Did you get a voucher? So it was necessary to monetize. And do not wait for the weather by the sea.

Quote: den-protector

In order to see the country's prospects under capitalism it is not necessary to be Nostradamus, you just need to sincerely love your homeland, not loot.

It turns out that you do not love your homeland, but love only loot? Judging by your reasoning, this is how it turns out. After all, there was nothing good from "socialism" before. And it won't be.

[twviewer]

Quote: JS20

Do you think

Have you decided to teach life in a primer? throw this nonsense, do not disgrace. Yes, and the Internet, as a source of knowledge, the definition allows you to find out in seconds, do not be lazy - you will learn a lot, including why there are no beggar bourgeois and who are the hucksters

[JS20]

Quote: twviewer

throw this nonsense, do not disgrace.

Actually, I didn't understand the meaning of the incoherent set of words. I only realized that "the client is nervous."

[twviewer]

Actually, I didn't understand the meaning of the incoherent set of words. I only realized that "the client is nervous."

It is therefore incoherent for you because it requires knowledge that you do not have to understand.
But the language as I look you revenge is much, it means the matter is not the lack of time. maybe there is no desire to understand? or is there still no brain ??

[JS20]

Quote: twviewer

that to understand the knowledge that you do not need.

Where to me to yours.

Quote: twviewer

maybe there is no desire to understand? or is there still no brain ??

As you can see, I figured it out. So the brain is. So calm down, everything is in order.

[twviewer]

Quote: JS20

As you can see, I figured it out.

smart people first understand then polemize, and not vice versa.
and yet who told you that I'm worried, young man?

[Gerard Roussillon]

, but the "builders of socialism" built what you and your parents lived on all these years.

Here is just one "But". The building of "socialism" was paid for with the sweat and blood of the people. So that "socialism" could exist, many worked practically for free, for sticks, workdays and more than modest salaries. Then they managed to add gas and oil to the West. The price of oil fell and "socialism" collapsed.

[cast iron]

Tell us all who worked in the USSR for free, for sticks and modest zp? I am aware of the fact that a skilled worker in the USSR earned very well with respect to librarians, watchmen and sellers. Do you think this is unfair?

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

I am aware of the fact that a skilled worker in the USSR earned very well with respect to librarians, watchmen and sellers. Do you think this is unfair?

And even unskilled, too.
Of course, this was extremely unfair.

[nycsson]

Where we go? I would answer him that we are going down! With the existing political and economic system, there can be no other in principle.

[Vadim237]

USSR 2 will never be there - the train left wagging backwards.

[JS20]

Quote: Vadim237

the train left wagging backwards.

Unfortunately, he left 90 years ago. When it became clear that the supporters of Dzhugashvili took over in the USSR. That's when the largest karastroph in Russian history happened. From which, it is still unclear whether she can recover or not.

[cast iron]

And here Stalin is guilty of Russophobia-anti-Soviet))))) In all spheres from the grave he reached out, a mustachioed !!!!

[JS20]

Try to sometimes understand what you read. And not just litter with words.
Nothing funny is written there. Including for you.

[cast iron]

And for me it’s such a very funny anti-Soviet-Russophobic fairy tale about the immortal mustached smoker, who before all reached for many centuries to come)))))

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

anti-Soviet-Russophobic

You are using disparate combinations.
It is necessary to use the terms "Soviet-Russophobic". Or "anti-Soviet-Russophile".
And what you write roughly means "white coal" or "black salt".

Quote: cast iron

about the immortal mustachioed smoker who still reached for many centuries ahead

That's just the point that I could. Such dirty tricks have such far-reaching consequences that he could reach far. And so as not to be so funny to you, I’ll inform you that it’s up to you. And to your children, too.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Balu

The national idea in any country at all times is the same: home, family, work, wealth, peace, stability. ...

Alas, at present, in many countries, through the efforts of propagandists of the power-possessing selfish and overwhelmed by animal instincts of the minority, these ideas have been quite successfully (at the moment) replaced by false ideas of universal tolerance and law (does not mean an opportunity) to be enriched unlimitedly, and in some also have ideas of national, racial, religious and other exceptionalism in use ...
Thank God, in Russia (in Russia), even in its southwestern part, temporarily occupied by a foreign, in civilizational enemy, by misunderstanding and malicious intent is called "independent" and / or "independent" Ukraine, these false ideas by most people are not yet mastered and, I hope, will never master ...

[Penzyac]

Quote: Vadim237

USSR 2 will never be there - the train left wagging backwards.

Well, not the USSR ver 2.0, but something like, the name and exact boundaries are not the essence, the main thing is that there must be on the Russian historical territory, I want to believe ...
One train left, sooner or later we’ll make another one, the rails are not dismantled, the main thing is that there would be a steam locomotive, an intelligent engineer, good firemen and attentive trackmen, and firewood and passengers can help to prepare ...

[Penzyac]

Quote: JS20

Quote: den-protector

Now in Russia, unfortunately, there is no level leader F. Castro, V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin, E. Guevara, who would be for the people,

...
Here it is, the main idea. Select and share. ...

No, the main idea is to change the “elite” that has led to a dead end, but who wants to endlessly maintain its position, with a new one, ensuring its continuous renewal through reliable operation of social elevators, independent of class origin and property status, otherwise there will inevitably be a cliff behind the dead end ...

[vladimirvn]

Quote: PENZYAC

and firewood and passengers can help prepare ...

The problem is that passengers are precisely the wood.

[Dok133]

Here! this is the whole essence of the Soviet system.

[NordUral]

We need a national idea. But its formatting and implementation is impossible without building a state of social justice, where everything will be given according to work and taking into account the social security of those who cannot live and work with the required return to society. And while worthily encouraging those who make the most significant contribution to the development of the country and society. I think that this will be a state with a planned market economy, with emphasis on the first part, and a state of social equality of opportunities and implementation.

[Just a man]

Where you led us, you can’t see zgi - follow me and not e ... brains. National idea for the people from the ruling elite

[Victor Kamenev]

Thank you all ... Comrade. Stalin, after reading: all deviations are worse. The national idea ... you need to suffer, it cannot be invented! Here's the thing ... It is formulated as if by itself when it comes to the salvation, survival of the country, "otherwise they will crush." So it was mined by Minin and Pozharsky, and Peter, and Lenin, and Stalin and ... Putin will get ...

[yuriy55]

Do not bother you that "socialist countries" are a worldwide synonym for poverty and hunger. All over the world, no exceptions.

How old are you? Can you read? It's clear about the USSR, it's also clear about China ... Yes, under socialism, you are our genius, the principle of distribution of income from production is somewhat different than under capitalism ... If you managed to "grab" a piece of property, on the creation of which you spent energy and health of entire generations, then we, by Yeltsin's grace and Gaidar-Chubais's economic idea, got air ... like those, 90% of citizens who did not think at all that they were rotting ...
The tops were rotting, which suited their position in society, which is understandable with a one-party system and a permanent leadership ... But now people live with tears of happiness in their eyes, especially those who are beyond the MKAD and 22,4 million below the poverty line ...
You, however, did not learn to draw conclusions, unlike bending your back ... But, judging by your tone and ambitions, you are moving in the right direction, you are our "edgy" ...

[vasilev]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: mr.redpartizan

International ideology failed, unfortunately ...

I would say she was perverted and failed. Under Stalin, all the republics included in the union provided for themselves. The function of the union state was mainly limited in organizing their security and implementing joint projects. As the republics could provide for their own life, they lived like that. It was only then that the Ukrainians came and, as always, they were too clever ...

The ideology was perverted and failed because the CPSU did not have an opposition in the government, or rather it appeared too late - the LDPSS appeared in the late 80s, but by that time the Communists had already gone wild. The opposition is needed so that the government does not click its beak and does not allow a mess in the country. Now there are too many parties in the government, as in the proverb of seven nannies a child without an eye, and for international ideology, only two communists and anti-communists (LDPR) are enough

[Mihail59]

Where and where to Kudykina Gora, where the kingdom of justice with temporary stops is in my memory of the USSR and the Russian Federation, and then my stop is a churchyard. I have no complaints either about the era, as stagnation says, or about the current situation, only transitional in the 90s, when I first lived starving at the COP. Our structure has thinned, some had to be uncoupled, but as the saying goes, a woman with a cart ... There is never a holy place, there are always enough heroes and brains on our land, read the children’s RNS tales ...

[Stanislas]

the family is the cell and foundation of any society ... the family does not have any mandatory plan, and there is no great idea ... And, of course, every normal family thinks about continuing a kind, raising children and ensuring their future

The great family idea is Rod's idea. Author, you do not want to be connected with society only by an abstract species, without a kind? Family is not only parents, but also uncles, aunts, common great-grandfathers, etc. This gives the child a sense of living belonging to all the people around him. And it must also be said that today it is difficult to call a "normal" (> 50% of the sample) family normal

Today there is no need to build anything great ... And many are visited by the existential question: how so? How will we live without ... a national idea! This very “idea” for some reason connects in the minds of many with a certain big and tangible goal, and great construction - this feeling has been inherited from the era of socialism

Sorry, the last legacy.

Family questions a priori are not great, therefore, they do not see their state minds, do not reckon with them in their great deeds

Oh, how are they considered! If you dig well, such family contracts are pulled out, mom, do not worry! And parents, the media, NGOs, the church and teachers teach to think "normally". If teachers in the 90s were taught tolerance according to Soros's manuals in civics courses, etc., and the teachers themselves were often such since the 80s, the media show porn behind glass and without glass on TV so far, then where can children learn normal family relationship? Only through churches (first of all, the Russian Orthodox Church and traditional Islam) can the culture of the family be raised to the memory of the clan-tribe and the history of the country, nmv. For this, it is necessary not only to prohibit gay parades and other consequences of the two sexual revolutions that Russia has experienced over the past 100 years, but also to limit all manifestations of militant atheism, to which Soviet citizens are accustomed as the norm. Then only, in my opinion, the family will become the unit of a healthy society. Such a relationship cannot be discussed on a talk show as a conflict in which a stepfather cohabits with a mother and daughter, show it "behind the glass". The school and the media do not even have a coherent program of movement in this direction.

The real goal of a normal state is to ensure future generations, creating economic, spiritual, moral and military-political prerequisites for their development. It seems that we are building such a Russian state today, without the slogan noise and dust

And blood. I want it faster, so that I myself can manage to live in this, but ... you go quieter, you will continue. Where we come - we don’t know, there is no project. So we need to understand well what the deepest problem of our society is that generates many other particular problems, and to determine more precisely what we do not have today, to solve this problem, and in which direction to dig, so that these funds appear. But so far this is not there. An intelligible program instead of a set of slogans and promises would be very helpful, but for this it is necessary to change NOT our party system of elections and the Constitution, which was imposed on us in the 90s, probably.

[den-protector]

In terms of information, the idea of ​​the continuity of Russian history on the basis of reconciliation of historical eras from the Russian Empire to the Russian Federation is instilled into modern Russian society. This is done in such a way that the revolution and the Soviet period would look, if not a catastrophe, then lost time in historical development, not worthy of the respectful attention of future generations. Therefore, Soviet heroes are humiliated and forgotten, and they are given official honors to the tsarist and White Guard. Thus, historical memory is purposefully deformed, extinct. Is this not ostentatious hypocrisy?

[Stanislas]

Quote: den-protector

Soviet heroes are humiliated and forgotten, and the tsarist and White Guard are given official honors. Historical memory is thus intentionally deformed

When you write this, you’ll call names, otherwise you get the impression that this is not written about isolated cases, but they say that such a trend has been launched from the very top, and you want to be called a liar.

[den-protector]

Call me what you want, but there is such a trend (in Russian direction) and it is coming from above or at least encouraged. According to the zombie man, this is not directly spoken about, but people see and feel everything. To disagree with my opinion is up to you to remain blissfully unaware.

[Stanislas]

Quote: den-protector

there is such a trend (in Russian direction) and it goes from above or at least is encouraged

I do not want to call you in any way, because each may have circumstances allowing him to sincerely say what I consider to be a lie, but these statements cannot be supported by a simple reference to the evidence of how you are doing this.

Quote: den-protector

people see and feel everything

You declare everyone who sees and feels differently, i.e. most of the people in the country seeing and feeling crooked, wrong, or inhuman? They support Putin. And yourself and a bunch of like-minded PutinSlilovites are "advanced" so far that you don't even bother to prove your glitches are "obvious" (about encouragement from above). Why prove the obvious ... You don't need a zombie box anymore, hang out on some zombie and go on.

[The splinter]

I’ll write everything I think, despite the risk of provoking the anger of the site administration and a number of users. 1) Yes, something is being done in the Russian Federation and no one denies this. This is a plus. 2) Very little is being done and done not at the pace that we would like to see; denying this is stupid and this is a minus, which often overlaps the plus .... 3) What is the problem ?! and what to do ?! These are two eternal questions and the Russian Federation is no exception! 4) And you need to do your own state, in which the interests of the state and its indigenous population will be above all. 5) Understand me correctly, I do not urge to go and kill all foreigners who come to the Russian Federation, however, with ethnic crime in the Russian Federation, the issue needs to be resolved and resolved strictly, without regard to such people as Svetlana Gannushkina and her company, which cover criminal ethnic groups. 6) Production needs to be developed in Russia itself, and not place orders abroad (an example of an anti-Russian campaign with the order of turbines for Russian frigates in Ukraine) ... For example, airplanes can and should be built at Russian plants, and not purchased in the USA, and for this it is necessary and technology to develop and barrage duties to introduce.

[gerk]

The article IMHO reflects the point of view of the "bourgeois" (my house is on the edge) ... what does it mean there is NOTHING to do, guys, let's raise our heads and look at the stars-overhead "unplowed field" of work and "interesting things", and you're all about the grandmother.

[samarin1969]

Prilepin has a really great uncompromising idea, the right words and deeds. It is a pity, the higher the number of such people, the less.

[jonht]

I liked the article and the thoughts in it are correct! The main value for me and my loved ones is FAMILY!
I read the comments .... As always, sophistry and the transfusion from socialist-communist to capitalist. There will never be communism, the nature of utopian ideas does not realize, socialism is possible, but not the one that was in the USSR, and the same Chinese will degenerate into something third. Option as in Sweden? For our country, too, a big question .... And probably you should start all the same with yourself as PERSONALITIES, but simply by answering the question - WHAT DO YOU DO FOR OTHERS, NOT FOR YOURSELF? WHAT HELP WERE PROVIDED AT LAST CLOSE AND RELATIVES?
Bullshit all these systems, if there is no elementary - spirituality, morality.
So before you rebuild everything and everything, rebuild yourself, change your attitude towards others.

[Gerard Roussillon]

Soviet time required everyone to participate in it, and gave everyone an unambiguous and great answer to this question: We are building a communist society, the most advanced society on earth! Today there is no need to build anything great ...

Now it is required to build a great Russia. This, of course, is not something to build communism, but at least it is achievable.

[cast iron]

Build "Great Russia" with the owners Rottenberg, Prokhorov and Abramovich. No really. I don’t need such a Russia, and I’m not going to build such a “great country”.

[JS20]

Quote: cast iron

I don't need such a Russia, and I am not going to build such a "great country".

Baba Yaga v.