22 wins tanker Kolobanova

Film about stories a unique tank battle of senior lieutenant Zinovy ​​Kolobanov in battles near Gatchina in August 1941. Five tanks under the command of Kolobanov, the advance of the German tank column to Leningrad was stopped and 43 enemy tanks were destroyed. The crew of the commander himself knocked out 22 tanks in 30 minutes of battle. Kolobanov was introduced to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, but never received it.

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[210ox]

Kolobanov's crew fought on the most powerful tank "KV" at that time .. This does not detract from the courage of the crew itself .. These are real Heroes .. And not the current ones, showy .. Leap from the bridge .. Or spit the farthest ...

[Pravodel]

Kolobanov was worthy of the title Hero of the Union. He should be awarded the title of Hero of Russia by the President of Russia. This is a return of historical justice.
The media should be connected to this. I think that if a vote is held, then those who know about the feat of G. Kolobanov will vote for awarding him the title of Hero of Russia.

[Stas57]

little left, find confirmation with these 22

[Fonmeg]

Evidence of the battle of the company Z.G. Kolobanova
Reports and reports on the operations of the 1st Red Banner Tank Division:
"August 19. Bol Bornitsa. Rota KV Art. Lieutenant Kolobanov fought. Loss of the enemy - 42 tanks. Heroically acted: Art. Lieutenant Kolobanov destroyed 22 tanks. Lieutenant Sergeev - 8 tanks. Lieutenant Evdokimenko - 4 tanks. Lieutenant Lastochkin - 4 tanks. The driver Pavlov rammed 2 tanks. "
1tank division 19 Aug

Battle report No. 53 of the headquarters of 1 TP of August 21, 1941:
"7. According to updated data, KV tanks for 20.8.41. knocked out enemy tanks 38 of them: in the direction of the TSW. Troops 22 tanks, in the direction of the grove east. bol. Bornitsa 8 tanks, in the area of ​​Vyselki 4 tanks, sowing. edge of the forest Sivoritsy 4 tanks. Some of the wrecked tanks are on fire. ”
Combat Donesenie 53

This is not a complete infa for Thomas an unbeliever! In more detail and documented on the website kolobanov.su!

[Stas57]

This is not a complete infa for Thomas an unbeliever! In more detail and documented on the website kolobanov.su!

They believe in churches, and in the history of the application they check with documents of the opposing party and disinterested actors

[tinibar]

Are you still in doubt? In fact, everyone already knows about this ... I understand that for you, apparently, it is easier to believe in Hartman’s 352 victory ...

[Stas57]

Are you still in doubt?

of course it's okay to doubt everything

In fact, everyone already knows about it ..

yes, who are these all? and what do they know?

I understand that for you, apparently, it is easier to believe in the 352 of Hartmann’s victory ...

already the third one believes in something, for example, I know that N of his victories is overstated, but at the same time it’s more, for example. Pokryshkina, but even without it, the phenomenon of German aces, with huge numbers more than ours, is quite explainable.

[svp67]

Quote: Stas57

little left, find confirmation with these 22

Yes, at that time our side did not make photo reports, and as a result, that battlefield very quickly remained in the rear of the advancing German troops, so that they could very quickly restore the tanks knocked out there, yet they were not "Tigers" with "Panthers" , but quite maintainable, in the field "panzer". In addition, the Germans had a rather "burdensome" procedure for accounting for losses. In it, a damaged tank could "step by step" move from category to category and, as a result, be written off.
One of the three German tank divisions operating in those places did, at the end of August, claim significant tank losses - this is the 6th Panzer. Are you sure that she did not lose them, in particular, in that battle?
But not even that, for me the very fact of the great losses of German tanks already indicates that the Germans did not have an easy walk.

[murriou]

There was still the 1st division, which had previously suffered heavy losses and merged with the 6th.
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[Stas57]

Yes, at that time, our side did not make photo reports, and in the end, that battlefield very quickly remained in the rear of advancing German troops

I now know an example of mass destruction- Ilyinskoye, do you know how many photos of this episode? not even tens of pieces, no matter how hundreds.


well, that is, you cannot confirm the destruction of 22, okay, no, no, but we are talking only about the "hit", with an unknown number of destroyed
Life is not the world of Tanchiks - and a shell that hit the tank does not record it with the addition of game gold.

In life, either the tanks were destroyed, as in Ilyinsky, or they continued to carry out the task, like Kolobanov’s.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Stas57

little left, find confirmation with these 22

Do you obviously have little evidence of the surviving tankers? Refer to the Wehrmacht archives about the destruction of this tank unit near Leningrad. I generally advise you to speed up your skis and leave Russia to Germany as soon as possible. It will be easier for you to live there, they like liberals, especially migrants, they have not had sex for a long time.

[Stas57]

Do you obviously have little evidence of the surviving tankers? Refer to the Wehrmacht archives about the destruction of this tank unit near Leningrad.

few if you add all the Nazis from the premium and all the tanks, there will be more than in modern China
in modern science, any losses are confirmed by documents of the opposite side.

I generally advise you to speed up your skis and leave Russia to Germany as soon as possible. It will be easier for you to live there, they like liberals, especially migrants, they have not had sex for a long time.

you have some kind of sexually liberal pain. At the same time, you don’t even know the number of the td that the Kolobanov faced, all like a real patriot.

[VDV1985]

For some reason, there are always shitmen who question everything that has been done in our country and unconditionally believe Western balabol

[1rl141]

Quote: VDV1985

For some reason, there are always shitmen who question everything that has been done in our country and unconditionally believe Western balabol

And the strangest thing is, these assholes do not question the "thousands" of our downed planes by Hartman. Hartman was tired of counting downed planes. And the assholes believe in this unconditionally. After all, the Germans are the most honest people on the planet.

[antivirus]

In the "lieutenant's prose" already in the early 60's - "undeservedly won." There will always be such, only a personal sausage in a personal refrigerator is beyond doubt. And in the statistic of reporting on the release of sausages by private IPC "registration, as in the USSR"

[Stas57]

For some reason, there are always shitmen who question everything that has been done in our country and unconditionally believe Western balabol

because there are gavniuki who are not able to name the part number of Kolobanov, nor the full name of his crew, etc. of the enemy, but who can beat their chest with their fists and consider themselves a patriot.
let's honestly check ourselves: the fifth and seventh Stalinist blow to memory a lot who will remember?
And which of our generals liberated Belgrade?
and who commanded the 1 shock?
-that's all
and how much ambition

[1rl141]

Quote: Stas57

And which of our generals liberated Belgrade?
and who commanded the 1 shock?

In order to believe Kolobanov and his tankers, you must know who commanded the 1st shock? And the Germans who do not know who commanded the 6th German army, but believe in Hartmann’s victories, are considered shit? And the Americans, who don’t know where Stalingrad is, but believe in the American victory over fascism, are considered shit, or are they all honest and incorruptible people ?

[Vasily Krylov]

I, I learned about this battle in 1987, from the collection of essays "Tankers in the battle for Leningrad" Lenizdat 1987, the essay is called "THE WORLD LOOKS AT THE PLAIN" journalist N. Lisochkin. I was amazed and outraged. Well, why didn't they write about it before. Why weren't these names Kolobanov, Lavrinenko, Gorobets and a host of others in the school curriculum, and at the same time all sorts of Schwarzeneggers, Stalone and other soulless cinematic creatures are being raised to cult, and only those who have weak veins can doubt.

[Stas57]

olobanov, Lavrinenko, Gorobets

because Lavrinenko, at the time of his death, has an official account ... 27 cars, and this is not the first place in the brigade, guess who is the first, the surname is the same on L.

[Shell]

The crew of the commander himself knocked out 22 tanks in 30 minutes of battle

It would be nice to take an interest in the ammunition of the KV-1 tank. And also take into account the fact that armor-piercing 76-mm rounds at the beginning of the war were generally in short supply.
And then after all, the Tirpitz torpedoing by a Soviet submarine in the report of the Sovinformburo was reported.

[Vasily Krylov]

B / k tank KV-1, depending on the modification was 111,116, 135 shots.

[Shell]

And from 30 to 35 of them were nominally armor-piercing. So, theoretically, such a fact could take place.

[svp67]

Quote: Shell

And from 30 to 35 of them were nominally armor-piercing. So, theoretically, such a fact could take place.

You do not take into account one more fact. Judging by the proposed scheme and modern photo of the scene of the battle, we can conclude that the shooting was carried out on board the German tanks, and in this case it was possible to hit the OFS on them, with the installation on a high-explosive action.
And not the fact that the number of cattle corresponded to the norm. Who knows how many they were brought to them then.

[Shell]

Quote: svp67

and in this case it was possible to beat the OFS on them, with the installation on a high-explosive action.

Usually shrapnel to hit. There were 5-10 more of them in HF. But at the same time, armor penetration was the level of CT armor-piercing.

[svp67]

Quote: Shell

Usually shrapnel to hit. There were 5-10 more of them in HF. But at the same time, armor penetration was the level of CT armor-piercing.

Well shrapnel to strike is already a parable in the heights. Here a little different. I am sure that the side armor of the German panzers, at that time, did not hold our landmine 76,2 mm. Especially at such short combat distances.

[Shell]

Quote: svp67

I am sure that the side armor of the German panzers, at that time, did not hold our landmine 76,2 mm. Especially at such short combat distances.

It is, yes. And even more so the old "Czechs".

[murriou]

Quote: Shell

It would be nice to take an interest in the ammunition of the KV-1 tank.

It would be nice to ask about the details of the events discussed.
It would be nice to know that tankers often tried to take in excess combat ammunition.
It would be nice to know that the composition of the shot column included light Czech tanks, which were destroyed not only by armor-piercing ones.
It would be nice to know that at the time of Kolobanov’s tank exit from the battle, there were 12 shells left in his BC.

But this is all you need to KNOW - what isn’t for such rattles

[svp67]

Quote: murriou

It would be nice to know that tankers often tried to take in excess combat ammunition.

It always amused me, and no one wondered how much the EXCESS BK in the tank was. Where to put it there? Or hide? Piss into the crew pockets? There is not so much space there, and it’s also dark, and it’s quite possible to break something for yourself when you stumble on an unnecessary piece of iron. This is one of the reasons that the spent cartridges tried to throw out or put into empty nests from the tank at the first opportunity.

[Shell]

Quote: svp67

It always amused me, and no one wondered how much the EXCESS BK in the tank was.

Someone has a habit of thinking. And someone doesn’t.

[murriou]

Quote: Shell

Someone has a habit of thinking. And someone doesn’t.

Yes someone rjxtufhwho was here last year obviously had problems with the ability and habit of thinking

[murriou]

In battle, ammunition and ammunition are not superfluous. Yes, it’s inconvenient when all the regular places are clogged and contingency ammunition gets in your way, but if a serious battle starts, there will soon be no contingency, and there are already less than half of the regular staff. When leaving the battle, Kolobanov had only 12 shells left.

You can personally not believe me as much as you like, especially sofa dreamers may not believe me, but here is an example:
Dm. Loza writes:

American gunpowder was of very high purity and did not explode in a fire, as our shells did. This quality allowed the crews not to be afraid to take shells above the norm, loading them onto the floor of the fighting compartment so that it was possible to walk on them. In addition, they were laid on the armor, wrapped in pieces of tarpaulin, tightly tied with twine to the blinds and fenders

But at the same time, we were afraid to be afraid, but they were more afraid of the lack of ammunition in battle. And the methods described as applicable on "Shermans" are suitable for any other tank:

It was decided to replenish the ammunition and fuel and lubricants in the warehouse where Malko served. The tank safely reached the abandoned warehouse. The crew loaded more than 70 shells, 7000 rounds, and the tank advanced to Minsk.

Now we will pass from front-line reality to statutory norms, authority for couch theorists:

The ammunition of the gun was 69 unit rounds, placed in stacks on the sides of the hull (49 pieces), in a rack on the hanging shelf of the tower (8 pcs.) And in rotating drum sets under the seats of the commander and gunner (6 pcs.)

Ammunition - 69 shells, i.e. even assuming that the tank had no shells initially, more than 70 were taken, i.e. obviously in excess of BC.

More questions?

[svp67]

Quote: murriou

This quality allowed the crews not to be afraid to take shells above the norm, loading them onto the floor of the fighting compartment so that it was possible to walk on them.

This generally raises a LOT of questions. Honestly, very surprised. Knowing how to have to babysit shells, before loading them clean them of everything superfluous, so that, God forbid, the mud doesn’t get where it should not and doesn’t jam the bolt, but here SAFETY and for those shells ...
And further, Sherman had a rotating guard to protect his legs, since a propeller shaft passed below him, and only then the floor of the fighting compartment. Where, how much and how to put shells here

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: murriou

Ammunition - 69 shells, i.e. even assuming that the tank had no shells initially, more than 70 were taken, i.e. obviously in excess of BC.

72 at T-34

[Stas57]

It would be nice to know that the composition of the shot column included light Czech tanks, which were destroyed not only by armor-piercing ones.

it wouldn’t be bad to know if 50 cm Czech armor was taken with 1-1.5 km bb with a 76 cannon shell, and it turns out that oh, it wasn’t taken, but it was already on 1 mm with everything from 30 km.

It would be nice to know that tankers often tried to take in excess combat ammunition.

yeah, they shoved it in their pockets

[faiver]

it would be nice to know where the distance to 1,5km was taken from?
and it’s nice to read Carius’s memoirs about how he spoke about Czech armor ...

[murriou]

Quote: Stas57

50 cm Czech Republic armor

Have you definitely finished NG celebrate? Or have not had time to hangover?

[Stas57]

Quote: murriou

Have you definitely finished NG celebrate? Or have not had time to hangover?

mm of course

[murriou]

The first mistake was noticed, sober up, fine

And now, discover how many mm all Czech tanks had on the sides, how many mm most of them had in frontal armor, how many of them really got 50mm of frontal armor and where these mega-Czechs really managed to mark

[Stas57]

The first mistake was noticed, sober up, fine

Well, you don’t judge people by yourself

Quote: murriou

And now, discover how many mm all Czech tanks had on the sides, how many mm most of them had in frontal armor, how many of them really got 50mm of frontal armor and where these mega-Czechs really managed to mark

Well, let me tell you how many Prague 50 mm had on that day, and how many are not, please, but I’ll look carefully

[murriou]

1. On the sides - ANYWHERE was not more than 16mm for LT35 and more than 15mm for LT38, they are PzKpfw35 (t) and PzKpfw38 (t), respectively.

2. The frontal armor of the 38s was strengthened during the war until the end of 1941, therefore, the final figures are supposedly about half of the reinforced Czechs by the summer of 1941, i.e. just the period under discussion, not applicable.

3. However, NONE of PzKpfw35 (t) had reinforced frontal armor, there were 25 / 15 / 25 everywhere - and basically there were 35 against Kolobanov.

4. Any more questions?

[Stas57]

3. However, NONE of PzKpfw35 (t) had reinforced frontal armor, there were 25 / 15 / 25 everywhere - and basically there were 35 against Kolobanov.

but at the same time, as we know, you don’t know exactly which kind of anti-Kolobanov’s was, although this has already been precisely decided, openly and proved.
you first find out this question, but then it turns out that there were no 35x at all because there was 1 etc.))

[Bijo]

Quote: Stas57

it wouldn’t be bad to know if 50 cm Czech armor was taken with 1-1.5 km bb with a 76 cannon shell, and it turns out that oh, it wasn’t taken, but it was already on 1 mm with everything from 30 km.

Where is 1.5 km from? He "dagged" them from 150-300 m, well, the maximum "closed" the column for 1 km. Kolobanov chose an excellent position, although now there is a fair amount of shrubbery, but the intersection is clearly visible.

[Stas57]

Where is 1.5 km from? He "dagged" them from 150-300 m, well, the maximum "closed" the column for 1 km

interval on the march of the German tank column without counteraction from the air - 50 meters
22 * 50 =?
if they’re straight from his car,
or they walked in pairs, otherwise the 22 of the tank on the segment in 500 of meters will not be placed
while the last cars are received strictly in the forehead

[faiver]

it would be nice to know that the Kolobans fought with 1, etc., there were no Czechs in its composition,

[murriou]

There were still 6th and 8th divisions, and the 1st was badly beaten even earlier. "Nice to know," yeah.

[faiver]

everything was right and 6aya and 8aya, but under the troops they were not ...

[Stas57]

Quote: murriou

There were still 6th and 8th divisions, and the 1st was badly beaten even earlier. "Nice to know," yeah.

yeah, if you are still celebrating, but probably the couples stop you from knowing what kind of division there was?
The question is already unambiguously resolved. look, darling

[tinibar]

Quote: VDV1985

For some reason, there are always shitmen who question everything that has been done in our country and unconditionally believe Western balabol

Govnyuki - to put it mildly ... I express my contempt for these people ...

[Ihrek]

These are real heroes, and not those who are given the title of a hero because they simply killed him at a military post.

[murriou]

This resource has already been published on the same topic: https://topwar.ru/70214-boy-tankista-kolobanova-v
oshedshiy-v-istoriyu.html

[TsUS-Air Force]

for more tv programs like before

[Kenneth]

Kolobanov received the Order of the Red Banner for an excellent battle. German, or rather, Czech light tanks, in principle, could not cause serious harm to HF and rewarding
understood it

[faiver]

I’ll repeat one more on purpose - Kolobanov fought with the 1 division, there were no Czechs in it,

[1rl141]

Quote: faiver

I’ll repeat one more on purpose - Kolobanov fought with the 1 division, there were no Czechs in it,

A participant in this battle said that there were TIII tanks in the convoy. These are German tanks, not Czech.

[Kenneth]

With tanks 10 regiment 8 td. These were T II and Pz 38

[Stas57]

no, he fought with 1 etc., this is already a settled and proven issue.

[Wanderer 2008]

Quote: Ihrek

These are real heroes, and not those who are given the title of a hero because they simply killed him at a military post.

You are sir Ihrek, God would be afraid to anger. What are the hints?

[Vitalson]

It’s nice to look at the destroyed Deutschland soldiers and their equipment.