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Su-35 may be the last fighter purchased by China abroad

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The PLA may refuse to purchase foreign-made fighters after adopting the domestic J-20. Writes about this "People's Daily", commenting on the arrival in China of the first batch of Russian Su-35 aircraft.




“With the commissioning of J-20, whose successful debut was held at the Zhuhai Air Show in November, the value of foreign-made fighters, including the Su-35, will decrease for the Chinese market”, - the newspaper notes.

Most of the characteristics of the aircraft of the new generation J-20 is kept secret. According to the press, now with the People's Republic of China is developing another fighter 5-th generation of the J-31.

“The first batch of four Su-35 multi-role fighters arrived in China on December 25. Russia and China in November 2015 signed a contract for the supply of X-NUMX fighters Su-24. The cost of the agreement is estimated at no less than $ 35 billion, the agreement also includes the supply of ground equipment and backup engines, ”the publication clarifies.

Earlier it was reported that the contract must be executed within 3's years.
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  1. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 31 December 2016 11: 28
    +24
    A pig has sworn not to eat shit ... They themselves won’t be able to bring their imitations of planes to the level of a completely similar technique for many years - there isn’t enough knowledge and technology. Copy don’t copy, you’ll get anyway
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 31 December 2016 11: 42
      +24
      PLAC can refuse to purchase foreign-made fighters

      The key word is "may". But it's not a fact!
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 December 2016 12: 08
        +5
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        The key word is "may".

        Correctly. It "can" and maybe "cannot" ... who knows that it will be there in the future.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 31 December 2016 12: 19
          +13
          Quote: svp67
          Correctly. It "can" and maybe "cannot" ... who knows that it will be there in the future.

          The Chinese are cunning - until the last moment they will let the fog.
          1. svp67
            svp67 31 December 2016 12: 48
            +6
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            The Chinese are cunning - until the last moment they will let the fog.

            Having so many people of the population, you can let anything in a large amount ...
            1. cniza
              cniza 31 December 2016 13: 52
              +5
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              PLAC can refuse to purchase foreign-made fighters

              The key word is "may". But it's not a fact!


              Pasha hi, they always leave the way to the retreat, never cut the doors of retreat.
            2. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 31 December 2016 16: 51
              +8
              And you can not do it. Although, fair play is not welcome anywhere ...
          2. Monarchist
            Monarchist 31 December 2016 15: 31
            +3
            Drying can be repainted and named J20 or J25, because, all the same, "most of the characteristics of the new J20 are kept secret."
            I have met with a Chinese counterfeit: the Nokia A8 phone is a "Ledrover" '' ', the only merit is beautiful, and 3,5 tons to the tail
            1. Peacemaker
              Peacemaker 1 January 2017 06: 02
              +2
              The Chinese have fakes and the original. Their own brands make the technique no worse than Japanese. And at a price several times cheaper. What can I say, almost all electronics are stamped and assembled from them.
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 31 December 2016 12: 00
      +8
      The great Russian famous writer, playwright and diplomat Alexander Sergeevich Griboyedov said in this regard: "The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe." smile
    3. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 31 December 2016 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      .copy don’t copy, you’ll get anyway

      I have a hunch ...
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 31 December 2016 12: 07
        +4
        [quote Most of the characteristics of the new generation J-20 aircraft are kept secret. [/ quote]
        Something they did not have time to explicitly copy ... The Chinese people are of course workable, but they have no scope in their hearts ...! They are not competitors to us ...
        1. Yuri from Volgograd
          Yuri from Volgograd 31 December 2016 12: 24
          +14
          Quote: STARPER
          [quote Most of the characteristics of the new generation J-20 aircraft are kept secret.

          Something they did not have time to explicitly copy ... The Chinese people are of course workable, but they have no scope in their hearts ...! They are not competitors to us ... [/ quote]
          You do not confuse the Chinese with the Ukrainians.
          China has become great again and continues to grow. Changes the military concept. We have not dreamed of such a pace.
          Hurray comments are stupid, blur their eyes and make weaker.
          Meanwhile, it is China that is the global threat to Russia.
          1. OLD FART
            OLD FART 31 December 2016 12: 43
            +7
            Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
            Hurray comments are stupid, blur their eyes and make weaker.
            Meanwhile, it is China that is the global threat to Russia.

            Liberals usually scare us with China, for a long time ... A familiar song!
            The most terrible are you whiners of all stripes and thieves in the country! And we will deal with China, if that’s quick .. (they remember the Russians and respect))))
            1. Yuri from Volgograd
              Yuri from Volgograd 31 December 2016 16: 57
              +8
              Quote: STARPER
              Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
              .
              .

              Liberals usually scare us with China, for a long time ... A familiar song!
              The most terrible are you whiners of all stripes and thieves in the country! And we will deal with China, if that’s quick .. (they remember the Russians and respect))))

              We mean whiners, and you are the backbone of Russia.
              Alas, tyranny is in fashion now.
              Let me remind you for a moment that it was because of people like you who were "brave and self-confident" that we had a disaster in 1941, then, too, cheers were shouting more than they really could.
              The question of backfill, can you imagine what China is in military power now and to what potential is it taking seven strong steps? (Alas, but cheers speeches horseradish winner).
              The second question, who are the Leberales? They sometimes call me that, they accuse me of lack of patriotism, but for me, I’m not so confused with clowning and patriotism.
              Please answer these two questions if you are not warm, of course.
              1. Nait
                Nait 31 December 2016 17: 35
                +2
                Wherever he goes, he will not go anywhere against ICBMs.
                Although of course there is something to think about, if anyone 70th remembers ...
                Indeed, at that time, more recently, there was no border with China at all ....
                And then again ... and not "brothers forever" ....
              2. lopvlad
                lopvlad 31 December 2016 18: 40
                +5
                Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                Can you imagine what China is like in military power


                in order to have a real idea of ​​the country's military power, we need an example of wars waged by its army. The last time we saw the army of China in a military conflict in the 40s was when it was draping from the Japanese for 8 years.
                And she would have darted further if it weren’t for us.

                Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                The second question, who are the Leberales?


                more precisely, who are the liberal cheers. For a liberal is one who says that Western innovations and technologies should be used while remaining a sovereign country with its own culture and traditions.

                Hurray liberals (prevail in the media) are those who believe that Russia should take everything from the West (culture, traditions, tolerance, juveniles, the rights of the Sadomites to put above others, etc.), completely refuse and denigrate their victories, destroy the army and defense and the right to control transfer it to Western institutions (give up your sovereignty).

                Hurray liberalism as well as hooray patriotism are the enemies of Russia. Some suggest that Russia make a passage yard and turn the people into a liberal herd without their original culture and traditions, consider China an adversary and others will be closed from the world and build a mono-ethnic state in a multinational country.
                1. Yuri from Volgograd
                  Yuri from Volgograd 31 December 2016 22: 41
                  +4
                  Quote: lopvlad
                  Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                  Can you imagine what China is like in military power


                  in order to have a real idea of ​​the country's military power, we need an example of wars waged by its army. The last time we saw the army of China in a military conflict in the 40s was when it was draping from the Japanese for 8 years.
                  And she would have darted further if it weren’t for us.

                  Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                  The second question, who are the Leberales?


                  more precisely, who are the liberal cheers. For a liberal is one who says that Western innovations and technologies should be used while remaining a sovereign country with its own culture and traditions.

                  Hurray liberals (prevail in the media) are those who believe that Russia should take everything from the West (culture, traditions, tolerance, juveniles, the rights of the Sadomites to put above others, etc.), completely refuse and denigrate their victories, destroy the army and defense and the right to control transfer it to Western institutions (give up your sovereignty).

                  Hurray liberalism as well as hooray patriotism are the enemies of Russia. Some suggest that Russia make a passage yard and turn the people into a liberal herd without their original culture and traditions, consider China an adversary and others will be closed from the world and build a mono-ethnic state in a multinational country.

                  I would like an answer from the often-voiced Starper, especially since you have too clear an understanding about the Liberals (thanks Idel for correcting). Starper, and indeed a large part of the members of the forum Under the wording of the liberals clearly have more vague understandings.
                  And about the power of China, you are in vain. You can even guess without war what they are capable of now. The fleet of vehicles of all types is growing, the number of ships and submarines is not exactly known to anyone, the armament is more and more new.
                  Plus, they are an order of magnitude more in manpower.
                  And by the way, their army is considered with high morale.
                  In general, the time of the Chinkayshi has passed.
                2. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 1 January 2017 09: 28
                  0
                  The last time we saw the Chinese army in the armed conflict was in the 40s, when it was draping off the Japanese for 8 years
                  In fairness, there were more:
                  - participation in the war in Korea;
                  - short-term war with Vietnam;
                  - the occupation of Tibet;
                  - Daman ...
                  smile
                3. NordUral
                  NordUral 1 January 2017 15: 18
                  +1
                  Does a volley of "calibers" from the Caspian say anything to you? So, a new world one. If it is - it will be something similar - massive volleys from the waters of the seas and oceans, from the air and from space. And the resilience of a soldier will not help here. Everything will be decided by the level of technology of the parties. There will be no more Great Patriotic War in the understanding of 1941-1945. Such a war will, if anyone remain, only on the remnants of the first wave of attack.
                  Now look at the level of patent activity of the countries of the world that I have cited.
              3. Idel
                Idel 31 December 2016 19: 41
                0
                You are LeBeral))))))
              4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2016 22: 36
                +1
                Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                The question of backfill, can you imagine what China is in military power now and to what potential is it taking seven strong steps? (Alas, but cheers speeches horseradish winner).

                I’ll tell you more what China is unlikely to represent at all, starting from the real numbers and ending with what they have
                ALL the units that I saw and which the Chinese themselves did were r ... rare
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 1 January 2017 15: 21
                  +2
                  ALL the units that I saw and which the Chinese themselves did were r ... rare

                  So the Americans once talked about Japanese cars. And now they ride on them.
              5. dr.star75
                dr.star75 31 December 2016 22: 40
                +1
                "A tricky question, can you imagine what China is in terms of military power and to what potential is it heading in seven strong steps?" - I Yes. And you?
              6. OLD FART
                OLD FART 1 January 2017 11: 55
                0
                Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                We mean whiners, and you are the backbone of Russia.
                Alas, tyranny is in fashion now.

                Whining of liberals, etc. always led Russia to turmoil and big blood ..! hi Just recently, this was in the history of Russia!
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 1 January 2017 15: 23
                  +1

                  Old fart! This is stupid, and stupidity does not lead to good.
                  Do these graphs not tell you anything?
                  1. OLD FART
                    OLD FART 1 January 2017 15: 28
                    0
                    Quote: NordUral
                    Old fart! This is stupid, and stupidity does not lead to good.

                    Let it be so ... Time will judge us ...! hi
                  2. OLD FART
                    OLD FART 1 January 2017 15: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: NordUral

                    Old fart! This is stupid, and stupidity does not lead to good.
                    Do these graphs not tell you anything?

                    You bring the mortality schedule ... And everything will be clear! And now we are being exterminated ...
                    And how many technologies we just stole (China is not considered ..!))))
                2. Yuri from Volgograd
                  Yuri from Volgograd 1 January 2017 17: 31
                  0
                  Quote: STARPER
                  Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                  We mean whiners, and you are the backbone of Russia.
                  Alas, tyranny is in fashion now.

                  Whining of liberals, etc. always led Russia to turmoil and big blood ..! hi Just recently, this was in the history of Russia!

                  For some reason, I was not in vain expecting that you would eat the places for answering questions on the topic of liberals.
                  Cries are the arguments of those who have no facts.
                  Do not dishonor the Motherland, do not call anyone a patriot.
                  1. OLD FART
                    OLD FART 1 January 2017 17: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                    For some reason, I was not in vain expecting that you would eat the places for answering questions on the topic of liberals.
                    Cries are the arguments of those who have no facts.
                    Do not dishonor the Motherland, do not call anyone a patriot.

                    Facts, facts ... Now I will remember .... Oh, yes, our best friends from Israel, so loved us with "facts to beat" ... bully In 90 = x it was almost ... CONTINUOUS FACTS ....! I will fasten my teeth and polish the trigger on the TT ....
                    1. Yuri from Volgograd
                      Yuri from Volgograd 2 January 2017 17: 31
                      0
                      Quote: STARPER
                      Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

                      Facts, facts .. Now I remember .... ... COMPLETE FACTS ....! I will fasten my teeth and polish the trigger on the TT ....

                      I don’t know what you are polishing there, but the skill is the best thing to say.
                      By ur, cries were able to overtake Baikonur itself !!!
                      1. OLD FART
                        OLD FART 2 January 2017 17: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                        Quote: STARPER
                        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

                        Facts, facts .. Now I remember .... ... COMPLETE FACTS ....! I will fasten my teeth and polish the trigger on the TT ....

                        I don’t know what you are polishing there, but the skill is the best thing to say.
                        By ur, cries were able to overtake Baikonur itself !!!

                        He is my student .....))) bully
        2. dauria
          dauria 31 December 2016 12: 34
          +35
          ..Chinese people workable of course, but they have no scope in the soul ...! They are not competitors to us ...


          Soul thing is necessary, but ....
          So, speaking of "copier". And also their factories and research institutes are not like nursing homes, like ours. We laugh in vain. Everything that we had good, they have already adopted.
          Chinese scientists for the first time in the world on a large scale have achieved success in identifying markers in the human genome, have obtained an important system of internal secretion of human nerves, and have created a map of genes of the lower visual tubercle, genes
          the pituitary gland, adrenal genes and, based on this system, more than 300 new human genes have been cloned, filed applications for more than 110 patents

          In 2003, by isolating the coronovirus from a sample taken from a patient with SARS, Chinese scientists developed a quick diagnostic reagent, mastered a number of medications for prevention and treatment, achieved achievements in the study of pathogenesis, clinical diagnosis and treatment, biological defense mechanism, etc. and also tested the vaccine,
          inhibitory activity of the virus.

          . Using the technology of surface nanotransformation, employees of the State Laboratory of Materials Science of the Metal Research Institute of the Academy of Sciences successfully implemented surface nitriding of pig iron at a temperature of 3000C. Scientists International
          The center of the quantum structure at the Scientific Research Institute of Physics of the Academy of Sciences of the Academy of Sciences discovered a new material - an isotactic metal nanogroup. They introduced an aluminum atom into a silicon metal chip and created 16 new artificial crystals.

          In 2005, Shanghai completed construction and tested the world's first commercial magnetic cushion train line. This is an important achievement of Sino-German high-tech cooperation. The length of the road was 33 km, the train speeds up to 430 km / h, going all the way in 8 minutes. Scientific and technical personnel in Shanghai conducted more than 140 scientific trials and received 8 patents, which allowed the magnetic cushion transport system to reach an advanced world level. China became the first country after Germany and Japan to master this technology.

          In 2003, in the laboratories of quantum physics and quantum information, scientists at the China University of Science and Technology successfully carried out the concentration of a mixed quantum state. Using this technology, a quantum translator for remote quantum communication was developed for the first time in the world.

          Dam construction technologies. The original Chinese technique for the construction of dams with a height of more than 100 m, including new technologies for cement compaction during pouring, tile coating, has gained fame all over the world. In 2003, the Sansya Reservoir was successfully filled with water, permanent locks are used in navigation, 6 power units were put into operation. A world record was set for the installation and commissioning of a hydroelectric power station. The water level in the reservoir has already risen to 135 m above sea level. Sansia locks are considered the largest river locks in the world.

          CASSANN-II high-precision paired direct direct synaptic neural elements computer and HOPFIELD high-performance computer of a two-level neural network brought China to the forefront in the field of semiconductor neural
          networks.

          During experiments in 2003, the NT-7 superconducting tokamak, the Research Institute of Plasma of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, received a plasma electric discharge lasting more than a minute. Thus, the NT-7 superconducting tokamak became the second experimental
          a device in the world that can produce high temperature plasma.

          Well, how are you a little "done with us"? Did not impress ? So they just started.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 31 December 2016 12: 45
            +8
            Quote: dauria
            dauria

            Wonderful koment!
            Definitely a plus!
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 31 December 2016 13: 08
              +20
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Quote: dauria
              dauria

              Wonderful koment!
              Definitely a plus!

              I join my colleague! When Stalin was informed about KK Rokossovsky’s mistress and asked, “What will we do?” Stalin answered, “How what? We will envy!” So here, China is developing rapidly and the liberal howl that China is thoroughly tired of the enemy for us. Yes, China is on our minds, and who is not on our minds now, they jump with pots on their heads or learn Sharia with a Koran. drinks hi
              Quote: STARPER
              If we kill everyone and ourselves too, I hope I wrote clearly?

              Vitaly’s sword in the scabbard! Holiday. All colleagues Happy New Year! And so that your wishes come true. drinks drinks hi
          2. OLD FART
            OLD FART 31 December 2016 12: 49
            +2
            Quote: dauria
            Well, how are you a little "done with us"? Did not impress ? So they just started.

            Well done! I was always happy about Chinese achievements ... But Russia should not be scared by them, as you like liberals together with the West! If you kill everyone and yourself too, clearly hopefully wrote? soldier
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2016 22: 37
              +2
              Quote: STARPER
              Well done! I was always happy about Chinese achievements ...

              sorry what ?!
              did you see them, feel them?
              1. OLD FART
                OLD FART 1 January 2017 17: 04
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Quote: STARPER
                Well done! I was always happy about Chinese achievements ...

                sorry what ?!
                did you see them, feel them?

                Dolls, well, a couple of times you can and EVERYTHING!

                No boobs ... wassat
          3. Terner38
            Terner38 31 December 2016 18: 32
            +2
            I watched a group of Chinese in Thailand on excursions - I asked for one water - all 18 Chinese asked (there was a choice - Pepsi, sprite, water), one dozed off while driving - all 18 dozed off, one looked in any direction - all 18 look there too. initiative! Even all bathed in a herd. They are not afraid of us, and judging by 1000 of her Russian history is not the enemy.
          4. Idel
            Idel 31 December 2016 19: 49
            +5
            Do you know what was opened and designed with us at this time? So, they are NEVER to us! When Putin said that we were able to attack any aggressor, these were not empty words and it was not about what we usually fear. Our scientists are ahead of the rest.
            At the expense of conventional weapons and the nuclear triad. They are not only up to us, but also up to about 20 years old. Moreover, the Han people have never fought and they know this very well.
            And for your overall development, read more, develop - stop working as a clown
          5. evil partisan
            evil partisan 1 January 2017 00: 18
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            isotactic metal nanogum. They introduced an aluminum atom into a silicon metal chip and created 16 new artificial crystals.

            Not impressive. No. As far back as the 80s, in Sverdlovsk, at the Physics and Technology Institute, uranium atoms were introduced into lattices of crystals with the most diverse chemistry. One can only guess how many new crystals have already been obtained. I think that not one thousand ...
          6. glasha3032
            glasha3032 1 January 2017 02: 16
            +2
            They did the tokamak, but they cannot for the aircraft engine. Did not impress !
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 31 December 2016 14: 29
          +10
          In vain you are so about them. Of course, they have enough show-offs, but they are progressing rapidly. And do not overestimate yourself, we are not the same as in the days of the Union. And they are like we are under Stalin.
          1. Idel
            Idel 31 December 2016 19: 49
            +1
            We are in Putin's time
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 1 January 2017 15: 06
            0


            And I'm not even talking about China, but about us. Happy 2017! And may he be better than yesterday!
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        5. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 31 December 2016 18: 03
          +4
          Quote: STARPER
          They are not competitors to us ...

          Very interesting. Merikosam - competitors, but not us? All over the world, everything is Chinese: from children's toys to the latest weapons and technologies. Example: the newly commissioned Zaragizh hydroelectric station in Kabardino-Balkaria,
          PS. I'm not going to belittle my own achievements.
          1. Yuri from Volgograd
            Yuri from Volgograd 1 January 2017 10: 42
            +1
            Quote: evge-malyshev
            Quote: STARPER
            They are not competitors to us ...


            PS. I'm not going to belittle my own achievements.

            It doesn’t matter that you respect your own achievements.
            You admit that "there" they can do a lot of things, but for old men and many other hurray patriots you have become a liberal.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 1 January 2017 15: 09
            +1
            You're right. But basically these are achievements of the USSR. And now - basically modernization on a new elemental basis.
        6. mole
          mole 1 January 2017 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: STARPER
          The Chinese people are workable of course, but they have no scope in their hearts ...! They are not competitors to us ...

          About 30 years ago, too, no one saw them as competitors. However, they were able to swing ... wink
          1. OLD FART
            OLD FART 1 January 2017 15: 51
            0
            Quote: Mole
            Quote: STARPER
            The Chinese people are workable of course, but they have no scope in their hearts ...! They are not competitors to us ...

            About 30 years ago, too, no one saw them as competitors. However, they were able to swing ... wink

            Ordinary cogs (slaves))) ... the United States began to use them long ago .. First, they used to poison us ... Stop scaring us with the Chinese! Here are our liberals, THIS IS SERIOUS ...! Whining everywhere and constantly ...! Everywhere their faces are malicious ... angry
            1. mole
              mole 1 January 2017 16: 29
              +1
              I did not frighten the Chinese. Exactly that they have been using it for a long time, but that does not mean that the situation is the same now. It is worth recognizing that the Chinese have achieved a lot in 30 years.
              Apparently because they have less liberalism. wink
              1. OLD FART
                OLD FART 1 January 2017 16: 53
                0
                Quote: Mole
                I did not frighten the Chinese. Exactly that they have been using it for a long time, but that does not mean that the situation is the same now. It is worth recognizing that the Chinese have achieved a lot in 30 years.
                Apparently because they have less liberalism. wink

                Hello to China and all .... These will avenge us all ..! fellow
    4. demchuk.ig
      demchuk.ig 1 January 2017 13: 39
      0
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      A pig has sworn not to eat shit ... They themselves won’t be able to bring their imitations of planes to the level of a completely similar technique for many years - there isn’t enough knowledge and technology. Copy don’t copy, you’ll get anyway

      They hope to tear out the AL-41, because with the engines at their seams.
  2. CRONOS
    CRONOS 31 December 2016 11: 31
    +15
    How? Already copy and replicate? wassat
    In general, I would be in the place of the president, introduced a moratorium on the sale of the latest developments, about 10 years. They adopted the Su-35, for 10 years it can’t be sold at all to anyone, even to the CIS countries. They took the S-400 - you can’t sell over the hill, too, for about 10 years. Security is more important.
    1. viktor.
      viktor. 31 December 2016 11: 53
      +4
      they don’t copy, only externally, the same metal composition cannot be copied. among the Chinese, for example, trucks are exact copies of Europeans, internal combustion engines, gearboxes, bridges, etc., and the resource is many times less.
      1. CRONOS
        CRONOS 31 December 2016 13: 26
        +10
        China is taking leaps and bounds and what else was impossible for him 10 years ago, now they are quietly releasing and stamping. You greatly underestimate the whales.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 31 December 2016 22: 47
          +1
          Oh, come on! There are critical technologies without mastering which, do not go ahead. If I am not mistaken, these are turbine blades.
      2. Kathernik
        Kathernik 31 December 2016 13: 47
        +3
        Quote: viktor.
        they don’t copy, only externally, the same metal composition cannot be copied. among the Chinese, for example, trucks are exact copies of Europeans, internal combustion engines, gearboxes, bridges, etc., and the resource is many times less.

        - It's funny to read ......
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 31 December 2016 14: 38
          +3
          And besides a bunch of arguments will be?
        2. Idel
          Idel 31 December 2016 19: 53
          +2
          See their car crash tests
          1. Ru72Ru
            Ru72Ru 1 January 2017 10: 27
            0
            See the crash test of the new Murano ...
        3. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2016 22: 39
          +1
          Quote: Katernik
          - It's funny to read ......

          I won’t argue for a car, but I came up against sewing and printing equipment, r ... rare
      3. Hapfri
        Hapfri 31 December 2016 16: 34
        0
        , the same metal composition cannot be copied

        What is impossible here? Can't do the analysis? How much is there in percentage?
      4. sandrmur76
        sandrmur76 31 December 2016 20: 39
        +2


        viktor.
        do not copy, only externally, the same metal composition cannot be copied
        Why copy metal itself? Maybe alloys? So, equipment has long existed for determining alloys.

        1 X-ray fluorescence analysis
        2 emission method
        3 Assay method
        Victor And you looked at the price of Chinese technology? They have a price-quality ratio selected so as to get the most profit.
        1. vvv-73
          vvv-73 1 January 2017 21: 32
          +1
          In addition to knowing the composition, you also need to know the production technology, otherwise what the hell is going to happen.
          1. sandrmur76
            sandrmur76 1 January 2017 22: 02
            0
            But technology must be known. I agree 100%. Tempered and then turned and vice versa, a BIG difference.
    2. commbatant
      commbatant 31 December 2016 11: 58
      +2
      after 5 years, the Su-35 is already morally obsolete, for developed countries anyway ....
      1. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 31 December 2016 18: 35
        +2
        Quote: commbatant
        after 5 years, the Su-35 is already morally obsolete, for developed countries anyway ....

        Will not become obsolete. Military "toys" have become too expensive. Long-range aviation - 40-50 years, transport workers - also, front and air defense aviation - 30-35 years. You can continue and so on.
        I think that the aircraft of the latest developments will serve no less, and taking into account the latest service technologies, it will last even longer.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 31 December 2016 22: 50
          0
          I do not agree. After 5 years, it will be possible to steer 5 generation aircraft, and the Su35 will already be last year’s version! hi
    3. Sergey Voronezhsky
      Sergey Voronezhsky 31 December 2016 12: 20
      0
      100% - I am convinced that it should be done
  3. noWAR
    noWAR 31 December 2016 11: 34
    +1
    Did the copywriter decide to write a wonderful article himself?
  4. Kaliostro
    Kaliostro 31 December 2016 11: 40
    0
    Sure ! Why buy, better to steal!
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 December 2016 11: 41
    +4
    Until now, they buy engines for their copies of Sushki from Salyut. Their engines have a resource about 10 times less. And the cheeks puff out - wherever there. "Renmin Ribao" - it will be more abruptly the newspaper "Pravda" during the Cold War.
  6. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 31 December 2016 11: 41
    +6
    Do not la la. J20 and T-50 or PAX can be compared? Their sneakers are usually pretty,
    but often left by the end of the day without a sole!
    1. TOPchymBA
      TOPchymBA 31 December 2016 11: 46
      +1
      At the expense of running shoes you got excited.
    2. Hapfri
      Hapfri 31 December 2016 16: 32
      0
      Their sneakers are usually pretty,
      but often left by the end of the day without a sole!

      There is a cheap product. And there is an expensive, premium class. Buy expensive items and they will last for years
    3. Nait
      Nait 31 December 2016 17: 42
      +4
      You better compare how many these T-50s (or even the SU-35) will be in Russia and how many China will have the J20 soon.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 31 December 2016 22: 46
        +1
        it’s better to have one German singer than one hundred Chinese licensed cars, you will repair one hundred all instead of sewing on them
        by the way, the joke is real, German sewing equipment was launched, I trained the buyer to work with the program and the firm started the machines themselves, the buyer had only Chinese threads in the warehouse, the machines refused to work until they brought normal raw materials
  7. PValery53
    PValery53 31 December 2016 11: 42
    +1
    The Chinese are unlikely to figure out all the intricacies of Russian high-tech in aviation so quickly. And Russia, hopefully, will not sell the latest defense technologies to anyone. If only the "golden calf" does not darken the eyes of our rulers.
    1. commbatant
      commbatant 31 December 2016 11: 55
      +1
      Together with the Indians, we are developing a fifth-generation aircraft together, after successful tests, the Indians will buy F-5 in gratitude to us and wave our hand ...
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 31 December 2016 13: 00
        0
        Quote: commbatant
        and wave

        wave
      2. Hapfri
        Hapfri 31 December 2016 16: 30
        +2
        Hindus will buy F-35 in gratitude to us and wave to us with a pen ..

        Our defense industry actually survived thanks to China and India. If not for them, we would have nothing now. No tanks, no planes. So it’s already good that they’ve been buying everything from us for half a century.
      3. vvv-73
        vvv-73 1 January 2017 21: 35
        0
        Do not purchase. They have invested so much dough in development that they will collect it at home.
  8. commbatant
    commbatant 31 December 2016 11: 54
    0
    "blessed is he who believes ..."
  9. erased
    erased 31 December 2016 12: 15
    0
    If this were the latest latest technology that stealing power gives away to a potential enemy, it would be better. But it is only dreams.
  10. kolkulon
    kolkulon 31 December 2016 12: 20
    +2
    And 35x, if possible they would buy one and 500 engines to it.
  11. Bator
    Bator 31 December 2016 12: 21
    +2
    The Chinese bought our S-300s, copied them. So what? Beijing's sky is still guarded by our S-300s, not their copies.
  12. Altona
    Altona 31 December 2016 12: 23
    +3
    Quote: STARPER
    Something they did not have time to explicitly copy ... The Chinese people are of course workable, but they have no scope in their hearts ...! They are not competitors to us ...

    ----------------------------------
    They do not have engines with a large resource and powerful thrust for such a coffin, that's all. The rest is just PR. we can, we cannot, we can survive. Their main constructors, usually the main compilers, suffer from imitation, despite the presence of very powerful R&D structures. The chief designer of this miracle was ousted. Because designing an airplane is not a puzzle for you to assemble, and not even a "new iPhone" - we will leave the old battery, the camera too (or vice versa), we will close the case with ALMOST new bends, we will snatch the new processor and roll it to the season.
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 31 December 2016 13: 05
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      They have no engines with a large resource and powerful traction for such a coffin, that’s all. The rest is golem PR.

      You are right in this, years are needed for this ... And the basis of everything, fundamental science! Everything is played from this, but it is very expensive and not always profitable quickly .. But we still spend money on it!
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 31 December 2016 13: 49
        +5
        Quote: STARPER
        Quote: Altona
        They have no engines with a large resource and powerful traction for such a coffin, that’s all. The rest is golem PR.

        You are right in this, years are needed for this ... And the basis of everything, fundamental science! Everything is played from this, but it is very expensive and not always profitable quickly .. But we still spend money on it!

        At the time of my youth, the Chinese were sneakers, towels, tea sets. Now Chinese almost all household appliances, clothes, etc. probably in 20 years and aircraft, both military and civilian will be Chinese. you can certainly puff out your cheeks and speak all Chinese gamble and they are only copyists, but the progress of the Chinese economy will not stop there.
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 31 December 2016 14: 00
          +2
          Quote: Semurg
          At the time of my youth, the Chinese were sneakers,

          My sister bought me sneakers in 1963, I was six years old, I envied the whole street and kindergarten, 54 years have passed, and no one is envious of those who buy Chinese planes. But we will wait and hope that a miracle will happen after all.
          1. Hapfri
            Hapfri 31 December 2016 16: 24
            +2
            but for those who buy Chinese aircraft, no one is envious yet.

            10 years ago, Chinese cars were downright junk. Now they are close to the quality of the Korean. But the same car, and we are talking about a promising, priority industry - aviation, to which the state pays great attention. So the results are expected to be more significant. How not to use the term "stunning"
            1. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 31 December 2016 18: 27
              +2
              Quote: Hupfri
              10 years ago, Chinese cars were outright rubbish.

              I beg you, for ten years they learned to make this rubbish a bit from a different metal and learned to paint a little better, and the rest is in front of my eyes, a godfather and a neighbor for a year and a half their type SUV, crumbles before our eyes, now it is shamanized and sold quickly and God forbid contacting China anymore - these are not my words, but Kuma.
          2. Semurg
            Semurg 31 December 2016 18: 59
            0
            [quote = cherk 54 years have passed, and for those who buy Chinese aircraft so far no one is envious. But we will wait and hope that a miracle will happen. [/ Quote]
            Well, we already buy drones from them, it seems that we bought the same in the Russian Federation.
            1. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 1 January 2017 00: 44
              +1
              Quote: Semurg
              Well, we already buy drones from them,

              Well, God also told you, you are almost a relative, and we have not bought glory to God so far.
              1. servant.
                servant. 1 January 2017 10: 44
                +1
                But do not we buy drones? Read, enjoy!: Https: // topwa
                r.ru/97604-vks-v-sirii-vmesto-su-25-i-mi-35-kitay
                skie-boevye-bespilotniki.html
                If we don’t have them yet, then they will be in the near future ... alas, there is none!
              2. OLD FART
                OLD FART 1 January 2017 12: 05
                0
                Quote: cherkas.oe
                you are almost relatives, but we did not purchase

                laughing laughing ... If it weren’t for Russia, China would literally tear Kazakhstan to pieces .. Nazarbayev knows this ... And he is pushing for Russia! hi Kazakhs did not try to eat beshbormak with chopsticks ...? And rice, a bowl a day and then mine uranium ..?
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 1 January 2017 15: 37
                  +3
                  It was in China that local Kazakhs eat besh like everyone else, they work by no means for a cup of rice. The NAS is pushing for GDP not out of fear for the fate of Kazakhstan, but out of fear for its power.
                  1. OLD FART
                    OLD FART 1 January 2017 18: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Semurg
                    It was in China that local Kazakhs eat besh like everyone else, they work by no means for a cup of rice. The NAS is pushing for GDP not out of fear for the fate of Kazakhstan, but out of fear for its power.

                    Well, I believe ....! wassat drinks
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 31 December 2016 14: 00
    0
    First, at least for engines of the 4th generation, learn how to make motors ...
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 31 December 2016 14: 25
    +2
    They themselves make gliders and avionics, and units, engines will buy ...
  15. Samarin
    Samarin 31 December 2016 15: 40
    +1
    Quote: STARPER
    Russia should not be scared by them, as you like liberals together with the West! If you kill everyone and yourself too

    insanity grew stronger ...
  16. servant.
    servant. 31 December 2016 15: 41
    0
    we wouldn’t have to buy in China ourselves over time ... Although drones are already buying a campaign ..
  17. Hapfri
    Hapfri 31 December 2016 16: 19
    +1
    Most of the characteristics of the new generation J-20 aircraft are kept secret.

    They already ripped everything off. We, the French, the Americans. Engineering work is held in high esteem there. No wonder. Now ready to develop yourself
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 31 December 2016 22: 21
      0
      Quote: Hupfri
      They already ripped everything off. We, the French, the Americans.

      Torn off is one thing. Piecemeal. Now everything that has been torn off in parts must be combined into a single structure. Including this is the content of the term "development". There is no need to simplify concepts.
      .
  18. Mentat
    Mentat 31 December 2016 16: 35
    +1
    Quote: dauria

    So, speaking of "copier". And also their factories and research institutes are not like nursing homes, like ours. We laugh in vain. Everything that we had good, they have already adopted.

    A highly controversial statement. As for the similarity, by the way, in our cities the air does not look like gaseous shit, in which the content of hazardous substances exceeds the sanitary standard by hundreds of times. The list of dissimilarities goes on.
    Everything has its own price. Read, for example, how many unfortunate children are born in China, unfortunately.
    Meanwhile, the environmental burden in China is not decreasing.

    allowed the magnetic cushion transport system to reach an advanced world level. China became the first country after Germany and Japan to master this technology.

    China has not mastered any technology, but created a joint venture with the Germans. Do you know why this “technology” is not used anywhere, except for Japan, mainly? Read about the Muggle. It's like that Elusive Joe, who the fuck did not give up to anyone, therefore elusive. The Japanese have an odd idea - to replace air transportation with Muggles, supposedly they thought it would be cheaper on a Japanese scale. Later. Someday.

    During experiments in 2003, the NT-7 superconducting tokamak, the Research Institute of Plasma of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, received a plasma electric discharge lasting more than a minute. Thus, the NT-7 superconducting tokamak became the second experimental
    a device in the world that can produce high temperature plasma.

    You quote these passages in all seriousness, but you didn’t even set out to find out a little more in detail what is being said. This NT-7 is actually built by Russia.

    Well, how are you a little "done with us"? Did not impress ? So they just started.

    Never. There is a lot of money in China, yes, and you can do a lot of things. What is the price of receiving this money is another question, and China will not have to pay this price in money, and resolve the issues that arose during the receipt of this "big money" at a pace.
    1. Hapfri
      Hapfri 31 December 2016 16: 45
      +1
      What is the price of receiving this money - another question,

      Even more interesting is the question WHAT can be created with this money. There is a considerable field for speculation. Moreover, the volume of these investments is huge.
    2. luxprofi
      luxprofi 31 December 2016 19: 05
      +5
      I’ll insert my 5 cents. China is a world leader in photonics. If you do not know google. It will be very interesting. Well and more. There is such a science philosophy. And she has her own laws. One of the main ones is the law of the transition of quantity into quality. Development is carried out by the accumulation of quantitative changes in the subject, which leads to going beyond the limits of the measure and an abrupt transition to a new quality.
      So in China, everything will be fine. And with a resource of engines and other tricks. I have a German car. With novya sprinkles. Made in Germany. Not in Russia.
  19. Mentat
    Mentat 31 December 2016 16: 42
    +2
    Quote: Hupfri
    10 years ago, Chinese cars were outright rubbish.

    They stayed with them. Almost all cars manufactured in China are sold in the Chinese domestic market, including European brands. A few percent of their production is sold abroad in China.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 January 2017 13: 04
      +1
      "They stayed with them" ///

      Wait another 10 years. A quarter of the cars on the world market will be Chinese.
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  22. Almaty man
    Almaty man 31 December 2016 22: 11
    0
    well done if you can why not
  23. masiya
    masiya 31 December 2016 23: 35
    0
    Yes, God forbid, let them live and like with them ... copy, build, or develop ... one fig what happens, the brains are Chinese ...
  24. Kostya Osipov
    Kostya Osipov 1 January 2017 05: 27
    0
    Whales have 30% of rare earth materials that no one produces except them! Zaepetsya trump Kitam conditions to set, the entire industry for six months the United States will collapse ...
  25. DPN
    DPN 1 January 2017 10: 48
    0
    Yes, they will simply shovel Russia, after this batch of 4, then clones will appear as in a car building.
  26. Mentat
    Mentat 1 January 2017 17: 29
    +1
    Quote: Samarin
    Quote: Mentat
    in our cities, the air does not look like gaseous shit, in which the content of hazardous substances exceeds the sanitary standard by hundreds of times. The list of dissimilarities goes on.

    here is another senile,
    in your Moscow
    the air doesn't look like gaseous shit
    ?
    ... news for Muscovites ...

    The only thing you can achieve with such messages is warnings and bans. Rudeness on the forum is not welcome.

    Essentially: there is smog in any modern metropolis, but this is not about that. You are pretending to be ignoramus, but it is hard to believe that a huge number of media stories about air pollution with tenfold and even hundredfold excess of the norms of the content of harmful substances, pollution of water and soil in China, and diseases associated with it passed by you.

    In this case, why are you writing such messages, what do you want to achieve, cover up the fact of predatory treatment of natural resources, a huge environmental problem in China? This is hardly possible even with the help of a sophisticated information blockade, now the time is not that, not that your primitive throw.
    Or did you just want to write at least something, but it turned out to demonstrate only your ignorance?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 January 2017 13: 03
      +1
      "In that case, why are you writing such messages, what do you want to achieve at all,
      to cover up the fact of predatory treatment of natural resources,
      a huge environmental problem in China? "////

      They solve their environmental problems, and very energetically.
      Giant forest shelterbelts, removal of harmful industries outside the country,
      electric transport instead of gasoline, solar panels instead of thermal power plants
  27. Mentat
    Mentat 1 January 2017 17: 33
    +1
    Quote: rudolff
    We have 45 thousand patents against a million from the Chinese.

    Have you tried to analyze the content, at least by sections? Maybe there are hooks for hangers of breakthrough design or a special design of Chinese phones.
    I remember the Japanese were hunting for translating the USSR's open intellectual resources into local patents.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 January 2017 12: 59
      +1
      "I remember the Japanese traded by translating the open intellectual resources of the USSR into local patents" ///

      And succeeded. They overtook the USSR by 30 years ...
      China strictly repeats the Japanese path. As South Korea repeated it in front of him.

      China today is going through a stage: "from dirty to high-tech industries" (exactly how
      Japan in the 80s).
      Metallurgy and chemistry are being removed from the country. In exchange: aircraft construction, instrument making, space.
  28. Mentat
    Mentat 1 January 2017 18: 16
    0
    Quote: glasha3032
    They did the tokamak, but they cannot for the aircraft engine. Did not impress !

    Tokamaki in China built by Russia.
  29. Mentat
    Mentat 1 January 2017 18: 42
    0
    Quote: luxprofi
    I’ll insert my 5 cents. China is a world leader in photonics.

    Why write such frank nonsense?
  30. Mentat
    Mentat 2 January 2017 18: 07
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "In that case, why are you writing such messages, what do you want to achieve at all,
    to cover up the fact of predatory treatment of natural resources,
    a huge environmental problem in China? "////

    They solve their environmental problems, and very energetically.
    Giant forest shelterbelts, removal of harmful industries outside the country,
    electric transport instead of gasoline, solar panels instead of thermal power plants

    Where can they lead harmful production, if the cost of production, the basis of work of Chinese production today, is directly related to neglect of environmental standards (because, in particular, it is low)? All China withdraw?
    To obtain water in China, now in many cases they simply block the river bed, thousands of rivers disappear annually.
    80% of groundwater is poisoned.
    70% of energy in China comes from coal, which is why such air pollution, plus chemical production.
    Solar panels and wind generators cannot solve energy problems anywhere in the world, it’s just pop. The vast majority is obtained by burning fossil fuels. Just fuel oil, and even more so gas, can be burned with a much lower burden on the environment.
    The issues of environmental pollution facing China, which are on the verge of a catastrophe, are not resolved swiftly.
  31. lopvlad
    lopvlad 6 January 2017 12: 59
    +1
    Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
    The fleet of vehicles of all types is growing, the number of ships and submarines is not exactly known to anyone, the armament is more and more new.
    Plus, they are an order of magnitude more in manpower.
    And by the way, their army is considered with high morale.


    Well, right from the Soviet newsreel of the late 30s and early 40s about the Soviet invincible army, but in reality the invincible army was born in December 1941 near Moscow when almost no horseradish was left from the pre-war stocks of new equipment and weapons.

    China does not develop modern and technologically advanced weapons, but simply stamps arsenal of sub-equivalents of weapons of other countries of the world.