The submarine "Prince Vladimir" will be launched next year

The head submarine cruiser of the modernized project “Borey-A” (955А) “Prince Vladimir” will be launched in 2017 g, the general director of Sevmash Mikhail Budnichenko informed.

They plan to transfer the new submarine to the North the fleet. The company noted that "the modernized Boreev has a reduced level of physical fields and, accordingly, submarines have greater secrecy."

It is reported that "at various stages of construction on the stocks of Sevmash there are three more nuclear submarines of the Borey-A class:" Prince Oleg "," Generalissimo Suvorov "and" Emperor Alexander III "."

Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on the upcoming ceremony of laying the eighth submarine of the 955A project, called the “Prince of Pozharsky”.

The solemn ceremony will go on December 23 at OAO Sevmash.

It is noted that “representatives of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Main Command of the Navy, the command of the Northern Fleet and the White Sea Naval Base, representatives of the administration of the Arkhangelsk Region and Severodvinsk, representatives of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, the central design and design office of marine equipment "Rubin" ".

"During the construction of a series of nuclear submarine missile carriers of the Borey-A project (it is a development of the Borey project series), all technical requirements of the Navy Main Command for strategic nuclear submarines of the 4 generation are taken into account, the latest technologies and latest advances in submarine construction are applied" - said in a statement.

A series of submarines of the Borey and Borey-A project, armed with the Bulava complex ballistic missiles, "are intended to become the basis of Russia's naval strategic nuclear forces for the coming decades," concluded the press service.

Comments

[rasputin17]

Good news!!! The BDR and BDRM are being replaced so their resource is not unlimited. A quarter of a century in the ranks on guard!

[cniza]

Sometimes I can’t believe that we were able to get out of shit and life is getting better, success.

[rasputin17]

Quote: cniza

Sometimes I can’t believe that we were able to get out of shit and life is getting better, success.

But all the same, something must change in this system for the positive! All the same, works are applied and not small!

[Vladimir 38]

I don’t think we got out, now the army is modernizing due to the accumulations that were from the high oil price — and that's good, but what will happen next, that’s the question, given our liberal government. Drive to the neck that you need.

[Homo]

Something of the junior officers and sergeants appeared unintentionally, everyone is so active, everyone knows, everyone criticizes, everything is bad in their opinion, the country's leadership is deceiving everyone, he is rubbing his glasses, but in reality such terrible times are waiting for us - just the Wang crowd!

[Ulan]

And we have that "hazing" on the forum? Maybe the rules can be changed and for the "senior" some privileged rules, and for the "juniors" cut down?
Criticize the statements of specific participants, if they disagree with something, why all of them in bulk. Somehow indecent for a decent person.
In general, I do not agree with you and have never rated people by the number of stars.
Vlasov was also a general and an order bearer. This is not a comparison to you, as they say - God have mercy .... just that a person needs to be judged by what he writes, by his views on life, history, a specific topic ... and not by the number of stars or bastards . Yours faithfully...

[Homo]

Quote: Ulan

And we have that "hazing" on the forum? Maybe the rules can be changed and for the "senior" some privileged rules, and for the "juniors" cut down?

How everything is up and running! And did not try to think, and not just read the letters? I thought that here adults gathered and they do not need to chew literally, but judging by your comment and the number of pluses under it, I was severely mistaken! In general, I meant that there were a lot of recently registered (therefore, the titles are small) and quite aggressive and negatively inclined!

[Cat man null]

Quote: Homo

there were many recently registered (and therefore the titles are small) and quite aggressive and negatively inclined

- same impressions
- Cons removed, and natural selection stopped working
- and then hamsters begin to multiply intensively, which were previously eaten in the very first days after their appearance ...

Something like this

[trantor]

Quote: Cat Man Null

and then hamsters begin to breed intensively, which were previously eaten in the very first days after their appearance ...

Something like this request

And it did not occur to you that all the same could be said to you ... True, there are so many of you, hurray-patriots, that you cannot immediately "eat".

[vovanpain]

Quote: trantor

True, there are so many of you, hurray-patriots, that you can't immediately "eat".

Well, the "eater" might break, didn't you think? Or a colleague, are all propropylosilipolymers better according to yours? Colleagues are already tired of it. Although there were sensible comments, only one whining.

[Cat man null]

Quote: trantor

And it didn’t occur to you that all the same can be said about you ...

- yes easily. I was "eaten away" for two years, but never eaten

Quote: trantor

True, there are so many of you, hurray-patriots, that you can't immediately "eat"

- well, from rya- (or turbo-, I like this term more) patriots (and corresponding patriotism) - not to me, then to PHANTOM-AS, AL1077 and other such other characters ...
- about "not eat so much" - I do not care. I'm only responsible for myself, but I'm still alone

[Homo]

Quote: trantor

And it did not occur to you that all the same could be said to you ... True, there are so many of you, hurray-patriots, that you cannot immediately "eat".

And since when has patriotism (even if it is hurray-patriotism) has become worse "everything is gone"?

[trantor]

Quote: Homo

And since when has patriotism (even if it is hurray-patriotism) has become worse "everything is gone"?

Hurray-patriotism is neither worse nor better - the same "don't understand what", which does not imply any further actions.

[Vladimir 38]

And what has changed in your opinion for the better in the country? Maybe medicine? Education? The science? Production? What in comparison would the USSR become even better?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Vladimir 38

What in comparison would the USSR become even better?

- you have a logic problem
- The USSR collapsed, and its legitimate collapsed (I hate to put up with this word, but in this case it is in place), damn it, the leadership of the USSR
- after that it was "10 years of darkness", if you don't remember
- now the consequences of these 10 years are being scooped up, and they will be scooped up for a long time (since breaking is easier than building)
- Your question is initially incorrect. It is necessary to compare with the 90s. Since then, much has changed for the better, if you yourself do not see this, then no one will help you.

Somehow

[Vladimir 38]

Smiled, problems with logic. You read your answer)) Now, where is the logic of the problem. You need to compare with the best, not the worst period. Or are you striving for the worst?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Vladimir 38

Smiled, problems with logic

- Yes, even laugh ... but there is definitely a problem
- improvement always consider from the initial state
- the "initial state" for the Russian Federation was the "pit" of the 90s

Life example:

- Grandfather got sick, he is ill, does not walk, does not eat, and generally ... does not walk. Nowhere
- the good doctor began to treat grandfather
- grandfather felt better, he ate and even went ... to the toilet
- but grandfather can’t run, as in childhood, and ride a bike
- fortunately, the doctor (and relatives) do not expect this from his grandfather.

They see improvement. Because they are smart people and they don’t believe in miracles.

And you, Vladimir 38take it out ... miracles ...

I understand so far?

[Vladimir 38]

)) Now it is clear)) Your logic is logical) You can see not a very educated young man. You don’t visit our hospitals, and if you were, then your grandfather would hardly have been saved. For 17 years, they have not been able to establish basic order in hospitals. Yes, they bought equipment, but you can’t get a specialist for free. Queue in the regions from a month, in Moscow a week. During this time, grandfather will go to another world. In general, a young man, read more books and look at life objectively. In recent years, patriotism has gone wild, I have a feeling that our special services, too, began to pay for Western trolls

[Cat man null]

Quote: Vladimir 38

blah blah blah

- as I understand it, in fact, the methodology I have outlined for assessing (improving / worsening) the state of something, you had no objections
- it’s not worth catching my tongue, behind- tire dust swallow
- to divert the conversation aside ("about grandfather" - this was just an example, for greater clarity. And you tell me about hospitals ) also does not cost, it will not work
- everything else that you wrote is stupidly uninteresting

Like this. But I’ll look after you with interest from now on.

[In100gram]

Quote: Homo

Something of junior officers and sergeants appeared unintentionally, everyone is so active, everyone knows, everyone criticizes,

Do you rate people on the forum by stars? It is a pity the cons were canceled, I would have slapped it with great satisfaction. Shoulder straps here are virtual, not real. Behind any privates with virtual shoulder straps can be quite a colonel or general in life. What, mom doesn’t allow playing computer games?

[Homo]

Quote: In100gram

Do you rate people on the forum by stars? It is a pity the cons were canceled, I would have slapped it with great satisfaction. Shoulder straps here are virtual, not real. Behind any privates with virtual shoulder straps can be quite a colonel or general in life. What, mom doesn’t allow playing computer games?

Child, read my answer to the commentator above!

[In100gram]

Quote: Homo

Child, read my answer to the commentator above!

thanks for the compliment The "child" has 17 calendars of seniority and little hair, those that remain are white. No need to be rude, "daddy"

[Vasiliev Yu]

Quote: Homo

Something of the junior officers and sergeants appeared unintentionally, everyone is so active, everyone knows, everyone criticizes, everything is bad in their opinion, the country's leadership is deceiving everyone, he is rubbing his glasses, but in reality such terrible times are waiting for us - just the Wang crowd!

And why do you need to be this unhappy? It’s quite convenient, you don’t have to run around, look for clandestine cells of dissent, extracting dirt on them. It is enough to calculate all the enemies by IP, without leaving the warm and comfortable rooms. And at hour P, all at once all without problems to take and immediately shoot. With our poor financial situation, a very serious saving of people's funds.

[Ustinov 055 055]

Quote: Homo

Something of the junior officers and sergeants appeared unintentionally, everyone is so active, everyone knows, everyone criticizes, everything is bad in their opinion, the country's leadership is deceiving everyone, he is rubbing his glasses, but in reality such terrible times are waiting for us - just the Wang crowd!

If you judge the state of the army and navy by TV shows and the channel, then you don’t even pull on the sergeant. Government time to drive it, fraud 80 percent

[hrych]

Quote: Vladimir 38

Now the army is modernizing due to accumulations that were from the high oil price

Did we buy it or build it in German shipyards? How do you like liberal economists brainwashed, including Marx, when everything is measured on the Tugriks. Such projects are measured in different concepts, the same subsoil resources (one of the true values) that our people possess should be protected at least and this device is a wonderful watchman for them. Moreover, it has the crest of scientific progress because there is rocket technology, because there is atomic technology, both in an explosive device and in a propulsion system. There is a huge submarine, and the fastest of the missile carriers, which the atomic multipurpose simply can not keep up with, the speed difference is a couple of knots, which is not enough for pursuit and interception.

Quote: Vladimir 38

And what has changed in your opinion for the better in the country? Maybe medicine? Education? The science? Production? What in comparison would the USSR become even better?

Here is the answer in this boat. There is education, and production, and science. And the USSR failed to make such a boat, primarily because of the backwardness in solid-fuel ballistic missiles that the Russian Federation made ...

[Vladimir 38]

Dear, are you sure that our people "have subsoil resources"? It seems to me that a narrow group of people who half live abroad have everything, and everything that is happening in science now is generally horrible. In general, you do not understand the subject))

[hrych]

Quote: Vladimir 38

Are you sure that our people "have subsoil"?

The people possess resources and bowels, now it can already be said that there is still a handful of bastards who still have control over a large part of the resources, but the process has begun. It is armament, including the most advanced and destructive, that allows you to have sovereignty and control of your bowels, it also allowed to return the Crimea and several million Russian people. Self-sufficiency and, above all, food security are being developed. No one argues that while society is imperfect and the distribution is uneven, however, the main indicators of the State and Ethnos, like its defense, industry and agriculture, scientific and technical progress in the form of Cosmos and Atom are fully provided. The average citizen is generally provided with security, from foreign slavery, murder, etc., is generally devoid of the danger of hunger, there is the opportunity to receive medical care, education, etc. There is a prospect. Elements of luxury that are characteristic of a consumer society, which are not important for the development of society and the historical process. The oligarchy and corrupt officials are weakening every year and will be destroyed. People have access to advanced communication and other technologies. Your tricky question is in the spirit of Western values. The Soviet system collapsed because it did not give up money - a kind of nastiness that divides people where physically and morally flawed personalities advance on this topic.

[Vladimir 38]

Are you getting paid? Or are you so naive?

[hrych]

Quote: Vladimir 38

Or are you so naive

I’m saying that you have Marxism in your head, you think all in Tugriks. How much, how much they pay, etc. I repeat, any of our citizens is protected by Boreev. If you cannot translate security into money otherwise. Or is she worthless? Would a frostbitten caliph or a British come to your family, so what? Question: Who owns Borea? Ulyukaev? This missile carrier belongs to the people, this missile carrier serves for the safety of the people. Write yourself that everything from accumulations for expensive oil, i.e. oil went to the good of the people. Everything is simple.

[Vladimir 38]

Regarding the army, I agree with you, the army is perhaps the only thing that was quickly and successfully recreated and which can be proud of. I am far from being a Marxist, but I look at life objectively and without pink glasses. But as for the people and the possession of resources, here you are wrong. For the sake of curiosity, see how they lived in Libya under Gaddafi. This is where people really received from their resources. Or compare with Norway. Or Saudi Arabia. Rosneft is a company with 51% of the state’s shares. ZP at Sechin 1 mln dollars a month. Do you think this is normal? With an average RFP in the country of 34 p? Now look at medicine, education, science, production. Since 000, nothing has been done in these areas. For each I can go separately, but laziness. If you remove the pink glasses, then everything will be visible, no one is hiding anything yet. In light of the above, I have doubts that modernization will continue, and then there will be funds to service all new equipment, because without the economy you will not be able to go far from the hump of ordinary citizens.

[hrych]

So you hit the point, Libya, Norway and the same Yugoslavia ensured a high level of citizens due to the lack of gigantic defense spending. But our people (by the way, largely due to the need to protect the lands and resources conquered by their ancestors) are forced to exert effort and spend resources (material and intellectual) on weapons, where Borey and his weapons systems are the pinnacle of technological thought. But when enemy vultures appeared in the skies of Libya and Yugoslavia, there was nothing to answer. The high standard of living of citizens has turned into nothing, as well as their life and freedom. In the past, in addition to arable land, slaves were also valued. And the slave - in addition to labor, is still an object of sexual pleasures, and the most heinous and consumables for bloody sacrifices. What the caliphate, Bandera, Albanians, and we have Ichkeria (when the state cracked) clearly and demonstrate. Those. we come to basic human values, where, in addition to resources, there is security. If the enemy has not yet appeared in our skies, it means that the people's resources have been well spent. Now we have the highest technological level of the state (atom, jet aircraft, missiles, satellites, submarines, and not iPhones and Bents, which is just the top of the trash), we have food safety (where huge resources were invested), we have a satisfactory level of medicine , safety and education. And the presence of gigantic resources, military power, etc., will already allow us to raise the level of our people. Therefore, we definitely have a perspective, we must not forget that we survived the economic war, which actually ends and we won it.

[Vladimir 38]

Defense spending 3% of GDP - what are you talking about? In Soviet times, you would have turned out to be a good Komsomol) So it turns out that with the blood of our soldiers you are going to ensure the safety of a handful of oligarchs. Think about it. For all the wars in Russia came from injustice

[hrych]

Quote: Vladimir 38

The cost of defense is 3% of GDP ... with the blood of our soldiers you are going to ensure the safety of a handful of oligarchs ... For all the wars in Russia came from injustice

There were great embezzlers under Ivan, Peter and Catherine the Great - this is the law of society, when someone happens to be at the feeding trough when distributing resources, another thing when he is the enemy, it was under the EBN, now it’s not quite so, and the oligarchy has suffered the case, some in exile, some used for the good of the state. 3% is not quite true, in fact, significantly more, because we still have military duty, each family pays debt to defense, there are articles of civil defense, state reserve, etc. Tunnels, bridges, airfields and roads are of strategic importance, in fact, in the Far East and the North Caucasus, their construction was for defense. Now the Northern Sea Route is flooded with infrastructure, a nuclear icebreaker fleet is being built and maintained - this is also defense. Many nuclear plants, in addition to electricity for the national economy, work in the interests of defense on plutonium, etc. There are expenses for the maintenance of places of detention, law enforcement agencies, etc. All these are articles responsible for the security of the state, internal and external. Where 3 turn into 33. The blood of the soldiers goes to the safety of the people, and the parasites are the second thing. It is not advisable to get rid of worms by killing the body; there are only anthelmintic drugs.

[Vladimir 38]

This is not about embezzlers - this is a separate problem. It's about the structure of the state. You are so passionate about your slogans that you don’t hear what I’m writing))

[OLD FART]

Well, as soon as they let me down, then you can scream Hurray, and so ... (until next year, you still need to survive)))) The situation is very complicated in the world ..

[rasputin17]

And when was she simple? After our allies after the Second World War became sworn friends, she was always like that! Once relaxed, the rolls are twenty years behind and full of a box of cucumbers !!

[igorka357]

Are you a starter ..)))?

[vovanpain]

Quote: igorka357

Are you a starter ..)))?

Yes he is, he I myself am a colleague in full out Finally Vital put a saber into the scabbard. Catch Vital +, it is a pity that I can put one.

[OLD FART]

Quote: igorka357

Are you a starter ..)))?

Yes, I, who else .... Forces shore and throat!
Ahead of the New Year and a week of such philosophical reflection ....

[Bayonet]

Quote: rasputin17

Good news!!!

It will be good when lowered and surrendered to the fleet!

[rasputin17]

Then you can smash a bottle of shampoo on board!

[Reserve buildbat]

"Prince Pozharsky" will be. And what about the citizen Minin on the side? Didn't come out with a snout? Not blaarous blood?

In general, it's a pity that the construction time is always vague. "Floating" ... And always "to the right"

[NEXUS]

Quote: Stroibat stock

"Prince Pozharsky" will be. And what about the citizen Minin on the side? Didn't come out with a snout? Not blaarous blood?

I believe the Borey-A series will continue. According to the plans, there were 8 Boreevs. After, I think, another two may be laid.
Now the question of building the MAPL Ash is very acute. Their construction stalls and the deadlines are put off. And they are already talking about the project of the new submarine of the Husky multipurpose project.

[Botanologist]

IMHO, at eight and stop. Firstly, the Mace will not go into stable parameters. Secondly, Ash need to catch up with completion and Husky to cook.
I’m worried about the surface fleet - the frigates don’t go in series, the corvettes are skidding - the 4 project has already been laid down, and everything will not work out in any way.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Botanologist

at eight and stop

I don’t think ... I’ll suppose that they will lay one or two more submarines of the Borey-A project

Quote: Botanologist

The mace will not go into stable parameters.

Most likely, it will either be replaced by Sineva-2, or, sorted out by a screw, they will modernize. We'll see.

Quote: Botanologist

Ash-trees need to be caught up with completion and Husky to cook.

Not everything is so simple. Each Ash from the series turns out to be the head one, as they will all be different from each other. The same Kazan is a nuclear submarine of the project not Yasen, but Yasen-M.
As for Husky ... there are more questions than answers. We need the MAPL really in a good series, and not like with Ash-trees 7 pieces and all head ones. And then the question arises, is it necessary to start building them before the 25th year ...

Quote: Botanologist

I'm worried about the surface fleet

Undoubtedly, we have a plug with the surface fleet. GTU for frigates and corvettes domestic only passes tests. I think this is a slowdown in the laying of serial frigate and corvette class ships. But beyond this, we have not been building ships of the first rank for more than 20 years: destroyers, cruisers and aircraft carriers. In this regard, the pace of the development of the Leader project, the ships of which should change as many as 3 classes of surface ships, is not clear. At the same time, the fleet is aging, and in particular the ships of the first rank, which we essentially have no replacement for now. Modernization of Nakhimov will slightly improve the situation, with the subsequent modernization of Peter. But here the question arises of Lazarev and Ushakov. If sclerosis does not change me, Ushakov will definitely be sent to the scrap, but Lazarev’s fate has not yet been decided. And if, nevertheless, they decide to modernize him , then this must be done at the same time as Peter the Great.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: NEXUS

As for Husky ... there are more questions than answers.

Indeed, little information. But still.

What can you tell about the project of the promising nuclear submarine "Husky"? At what stage is development, when can the construction of submarines of this type begin? Is it fair to characterize these boats as “simplified Ash trees”?
- The appearance of a promising nuclear submarine is in the process of formation. The prospects for construction and the features of this project can be judged only after the completion of the preliminary design, after about two years. (to 2018)
What about promising non-nuclear submarines? What are the results and conclusions of the trial operation of the 677 project?
- The pilot operation of the main diesel-electric submarine of the Lada project showed good prospects. It is planned that the trial operation will be completed before the end of the 2016 year. Two more units of this project are under construction under contracts signed with the Ministry of Defense. Money is allocated on time, work is carried out on schedule.
In what state is the development of the VNEU for the promising nuclear submarines Kalina?
- Currently, a number of R&D is underway in this direction. The real possibility of creating a ship model of VNEU was confirmed, the work on which is planned to be performed from 2016 to 2019 year. After the ship model has been received, we will make a decision on the prospective Kalina-type submarines.

This is an interview with OSK Vice President Igor Ponomarev in May 2016.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

This is an interview with OSK Vice President Igor Ponomarev in May 2016.

This Ponomarev let the fog fall and only ... much was said and about nothing. At the same time, the terms are very floating and no specifics.
To date, it is necessary to recognize the project 885-M slows down, if not at all. And what do we have? One Severodvinsk, 15 Shchuk-B and the same number of Shchuk (I'm not sure that all 15 are in service).
I honestly don’t understand why it was necessary to fence the garden with Ash trees, if there was a project 971 Cheetah, which is not much inferior to project 885. By modernizing and processing 971 we can get a wonderful multi-purpose without inventing a bicycle. Moreover, he would be much cheaper than Ash, and they would be built faster.
As for Lada ... they gave birth to him for a long time, and in the bottom line, it is possible in the future we will get an export version in the form of a DEPL Amur.
Husky is positioned as a dual-purpose submarine, that is, both a multi-purpose and a strategist. That is, they are trying to shove something that is not shoved into one project.
According to Kalina, I think it’s still foggy and when God sees her in the gland only God knows.

[mr.redpartizan]

So the 885 project was created on the basis of the 971th. The main differences are the one and a half hull design, the new nuclear power plant and the hull.

[NEXUS]

Quote: mr.redpartizan

So the 885 project was created on the basis of the 971th. The main differences are the one and a half hull design, the new nuclear power plant and the hull.

But why was it necessary to change everything so much and why should each Ash-tree be different from the previous one? Cheetah is a beautiful MAPL, which is able to compete with Yasen on equal terms. Why did you have to try to swallow more than we can? And now no one knows when Kazan will be handed over to the fleet, not to mention other Ash-trees.

[mr.redpartizan]

Without radical modernization of the design, it was impossible to increase the combat qualities of the submarine, especially stealth and firepower. The new nuclear power plant on the Yasen-M has less noise in comparison with the OK-650V, missile silos for 32 KR appeared on the submarine, a spherical SAC antenna was installed in the bow and hydrophones throughout the hull. There are a lot of changes.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: NEXUS

Cheetah is a beautiful MAPL, which is able to compete with Yasen on equal terms.

1. Cheetah is a good boat, no doubt. No Ash, still a step forward.
2. It will be difficult, probably, to compete with 971 885:
- First of all, this is the boat of the next, 4-th generation, with a level of intrinsic noise reduced by 4-5 times. She has the foundations of machines and mechanisms equipped with piezoelectric systems for active noise suppression. Widely used composite materials, the new GWP ...
- this is a mixed-motion PLA: Vmax low-noise - on water-jet and electric propulsion; at a speed of more than 20 knots - on the go with TZA and propeller (seven-blade VFSh)
- the boat has a new, more advanced "stuffing", which made it possible to increase the D obn targets up to 230-240 km.
- the boat has a unique armament complex: 8x4 silo-based anti-ship missiles, 10 NTA with a stock of 30 units.
- the boat is specially prepared for operations in the Arctic. Has an exceptional SJC "Amphora", capable of detecting the enemy in sludge conditions.
- This is a one and a half hull boat with a working depth of immersion of 400m. / OBS - max goebin to 700 (!) M /
- 6x533-mm disposable non-rechargeable PUs of sonar counters of the REPS-324 "Barrier" type are installed on it to use the SGAPD type MG-104 "Throw" and MG-114 "Beryl".
Therefore, this is a step forward, the answer to the Wolves.

[Botanologist]

Lazarev, I think, on the needles.
And the question is different - even if we had all the cruisers on the go, the fleet will not survive the bases of an inexpensive destroyer, which can be built with a series of at least 12 - 15 units. In this regard, I was very encouraged by the statement on the construction of EMs with a power plant. This is a good approach, it allows you to make ships. in the area of ​​10.000 tons, and not build single copies of the Death Star. And the 20386 VI tab 3400 tons, if the idea is calculated, the fleet can coolly support. Although in 20386 there is a lot of turbidity with modularity and aft lift. Xs, how it will work in real conditions.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Botanologist

And the question is different - even if we had all the cruisers on the go, the fleet would not survive the bases of an inexpensive destroyer, which can be built in a series of at least 12-15 units

I have long said that the construction of the Leader with YaSU is still far away, especially considering that there is neither Zircon (God forbid we will receive it in 18), nor the marine version of the S-500 and further on the list. But there is an export project of the destroyer Shkval with GTU. Why don't our designers make the project of a destroyer with a displacement of 6-9 thousand tons and launch it in a series while we are dressing with the Leader. Sarych and Atlanta are aging and they already need a replacement, and they will not be able to upgrade until they turn blue. Admiral series frigates under construction will not plug this gap. We already need new ships of the ocean zone, and these are destroyers, both light and heavy, and cruisers and even aircraft carriers, although they have been arguing about the latter here for a long time.

[mr.redpartizan]

It’s easier to build an atomic cruiser than to put GTE on ships. There will be much less problems with nuclear power plants.

[rasputin17]

This is all good but two issues are financing and construction! And if the first one is still somehow solved then the second is a complete blockage! Ships loaded and new plants as it is not expected !!

[Rurikovich]

Gentlemen sofa admirals!
We all rejoice for a strong Russian Navy (including me ) But do not forget about simple things, such as the state of the economy, the state of shipyards. Industries and financing.
The USSR, being a state, coped with this task, for it had everything state-owned (there were flaws in providing the fleet, but this is another story).
Today's Russia also understands that there are enemies around and it has only two friends - the army and navy ... BUT!
While your oligarchs will buy foreign clubs and luxury yachts, and the governors of an apartment in Miami, and the intelligentsia will whine about violations of human rights when redistributing funds in favor of the military industrial complex, what are you counting on ????? You cannot go far on patriotism alone , because parallel to patriotism, there is also the Unified State Exam, whose "victims" with age will show by no means the results of the Soviet school
Everything is sad....
Personally, my opinion

[Ulan]

Well, a fly in the ointment, but quite fair. Unfortunately, very large funds flow past the state treasury into private pockets, and our liberal government is zealously guarding that this situation will not change in any way.
With the same "hawthorn", they ask how to fix the situation, there is a state monopoly, but the government does not even want to discuss it.
But this is both the health of citizens and the filling of the treasury.
This is not the government of the people of Russia, but the government of rich Pinocchio, and it will stand and will stand on their protection.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Rurikovich

Everything is sad....

Well, then only THIS:

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Well, then only THIS:

Thank you kind man .....

[Vasiliev Yu]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Rurikovich

Everything is sad....

Well, then only THIS:

Saved on rope and soap?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vasiliev yu

Saved on rope and soap?

And do not say!
But, on the other hand, two "chopping-piercing" in stock!!!

[Roman 11]

Quote: Stroibat stock

"Prince Pozharsky" will be. And what about the citizen Minin on the side?

Uh, there is no next Mikhail Kutuzov ... The Most Serene Fatherland saved, and in fact Europe .. otherwise, in the 41st they would have fought not with the Germans, but with the French

[russkyvoin]

Quote: stock buildbat

"Prince Pozharsky" will be. And what about the citizen Minin on the side? Didn't come out with a snout? Not blaarous blood?

In general, it's a pity that the construction time is always vague. "Floating" ... And always "to the right"

Minin suggests sad associations, and Pozharsky too. If only ...

[Vasiliev Yu]

Normally, if only our managers, the victims of the exam, would not be called Susanin. After all, also a national hero.

[Vitalson]

How much money is this war game, but nothing can be done since we have only "well-wishers" on this planet to spend.

[cniza]

It also includes jobs, infrastructure, social programs, etc.

[CYBERNINJA]

Some article ... Not scary ...
PSThis is a comparison with articles when they write about weapons, especially American ....
Data about ours is at least, and about the staff at the maximum, and this despite the fact that they have everything classified.

[Bayonet]

Quote: CYBERNINDJA

Data on our minimum

Look for in the state editions, there is more information about our technology, It has always been like that!

[CYBERNINJA]

A remark directly on the "Military Review" that "GUGL TO HELP" - we know so ...

[Cat]

Quote: stock buildbat

"Prince Pozharsky" will be. And what about the citizen Minin on the side? Didn't come out with a snout? Not blaarous blood?

"Kuzma Minin" is the traditional name of the ships of the second rank of the fleet of the Russian Empire. Laid down "Pozharsky" will not take three years to launch "Minin".
Just a traditional czechord in the name of the ships and vessels of the modern Russian Navy, do you pay attention?

"Prince Oleg", "Generalissimo Suvorov" and "Emperor Alexander III" ".

Otherwise, you cannot call an attempt to embrace the immensity.

[mr.redpartizan]

Not enough Joseph Stalin and Ivan the Terrible on this list. Stalin did for the country no less than any of the above. To the cries of liberals, dill and lawyers do not care !!!

[Roman 11]

Quote: mr.redpartizan

Stalin made no less for the country

And what about Grozny? He left Russia almost at a broken trough - the land became desolate, the people scattered among the bandit gangs, as a result of famine and epidemic. Instead of borders, solid front lines, enemy campaigns and forays into their estates, mass executions of ordinary people who accidentally fell into the patrimony of some disgraced zemstvo boyar ...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: mr.redpartizan

To the cries of liberals, dill and lawyers do not care !!!

But the liberals define our policy, so it is unlikely that Joseph or Ivan, they would rather call it Boris. The aircraft carrier "Boris Yeltsin" sounds ...!

[lelikas]

Quote: Thunderbolt

"Boris Yeltsin"

Only if the latest govnovovoz so called, and even then - the team quits.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: lelikas

Only if the most recent go

It is a pity that the era of fireburners is gone, otherwise it would be possible to immediately start up this "uncle" and so that neither the bottom nor the tire remains of him.
I wrote about the aircraft carrier like this, because even against the background of the Chinese and other Asians, our ships are born painfully long and not always in full. There are a whole range of reasons for this, but as always there are no guilty ones. It happens so in Russia ... although not are to blame: Obama, the Jews and the fifth column. But this is not an answer if we want more order and success in building. Maybe even the modern government and tries hard, but the roots from the shameful country of the Yeltsin era still cling to our present and interfere we fly to the high stars. Evil sometimes takes up and gives up as I remember what our great economists and all these munkins-shpunkins do on the ground. The only thing that calms is that it was never easy and the lag in many areas of conventional weapons is not critical for Russia.

[the most important]

Quote: Thunderbolt

The aircraft carrier "Boris Yeltsin" sounds ...!

Well, this one can only immediately destroy the pier and drown in the first puddle ...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: the most important

Well, this one can only immediately destroy the pier and drown in the first puddle ...

I agree, the name is of course "fire". With such a name you will inevitably ponder whether the country needs aircraft carriers?

[Ulan]

This is just a repetition of the names of the ships of the Russian fleet that were in it before. This tradition has been maintained since ancient times and there is nothing wrong with it.
But I agree with mr.redpartizan, the names voiced by him, as part of the fleet, are very appropriate.

[brdm]

The submarine "Prince Vladimir" will be launched next year
Good, toothed) Needed. He will drink the reptiles of the crib ...

[Fast_mutant]

Quote: Vladimir 38

given our liberal government.

Especially against the background of messages on TV about bribes of 5 mega-BUX! What kind of "product" is a person willing to pay SUCH money for? AND WHO is ready? Here are such "Koreikos" dispossessed, and you can continue the series of Boreyev as many as you need!

[maxim947]

Quote: Botanologist

at eight and stop

in order to stop it is necessary to replace a new one, but the new one has not arrived, and the shipbuilders will not stand and wait. So, I think they will continue. Still ash for another purpose

[Old26]

Quote: Novel 11

Uh, there is no next Mikhail Kutuzov ... The Most Serene Fatherland saved, and in fact Europe .. otherwise, in the 41st they would have fought not with the Germans, but with the French

There will be no next. Neither Mikhail Kutuzov, nor Kozma Minin. The construction of EIGHT boats of the "Boroey" and "Borey-A" class was announced. And that's all. Everything else is wishlist

[Zibelew]

Quote: Old26

Quote: Novel 11

Uh, there is no next Mikhail Kutuzov ... The Most Serene Fatherland saved, and in fact Europe .. otherwise, in the 41st they would have fought not with the Germans, but with the French

There will be no next. Neither Mikhail Kutuzov, nor Kozma Minin. The construction of EIGHT boats of the "Boroey" and "Borey-A" class was announced. And that's all. Everything else is wishlist

The next submarines will be named "Borya-E" in honor of EBN. The body will be based on the silhouette of a hawthorn bottle. And the boathouse in which they will be assembled is called the Yeltsin Center, you know.

[aszzz888]

And where is Merikatos’s deputy? Again, somewhere the engine got jammed and the latches do not work! Twitch, our boats will not miss this barn!

[egor1712]

The American destroyer Zamvolt is a symbol of the progress of the American army, which is forced to maintain its authority and remain at the forefront of the arms race by any means. Moreover, the first conclusions can be drawn now.
“Zamvolt” designers chose invisibility as its main feature, which required maximum changes in appearance, even to the detriment of seaworthiness. It is for the sake of stealth technologies that Zamvolt got its nose of an unusual shape, and the keel turned out to be almost flat. Naturally, the stability of the ship was a big question. In addition, the situation was aggravated by a huge superstructure and sides inclined inward.
A vessel of this design could easily just roll over in the presence of strong sea waves. To solve this problem, it was decided to significantly simplify the add-in, therefore under the cool phrase “composite materials”, ordinary wood is covered, glued with a 3-mm layer of carbon. This helped to solve the issue with the stability of the ship, but the ship of the XNUMXst century does not provide any special protection to the crew from bullets and shells.

[dzzen]

In order to build and arm at such a pace, Russia most likely secretly accumulated reserves, the new equipment began to immediately and abruptly enter the troops in 2012, especially in the North Caucasus.

[RASKAT]

And today a new boat Borey was laid, will there be an article?