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Kurganets-25: declassified! How we rushed on the newest armored personnel carrier

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In our tests, there are often employees of automotive companies and technical specialists. And this time, all the two days that the columnist “Autoreview” Fyodor Lapshin spent on Kurganmashzavod, a representative for the protection of state secrets was constantly standing next to him.


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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 21 December 2016 10: 34
    +7
    Rather, they would have decided on the engine for Kurganets and sent for state tests. This vehicle will make our infantry more mobile and more secure.
    1. Su24
      Su24 21 December 2016 11: 04
      +1
      I stopped looking after the words that de, allegedly "no one has ever seen a tracked armored personnel carrier."
      1. UI-Spb
        UI-Spb 21 December 2016 11: 30
        +5
        If you listen carefully, it talks about the line of Soviet-Russian armored personnel carriers. And not armored personnel carriers at all.
        1. seos
          seos 21 December 2016 14: 47
          +2
          Well, in general, the MT-LB Soviet tracked armored personnel carrier - in the Far East replaces the armored personnel carrier.
          1. venik
            venik 22 December 2016 11: 15
            +1
            Quote: seos
            Well, in general, the MT-LB Soviet tracked armored personnel carrier - in the Far East replaces the armored personnel carrier.

            ====
            And in the North - too, and for a long time .....
    2. slava84
      slava84 27 December 2016 23: 16
      +1
      Yes, and we need to choose ours, Yaroslavsky! wink
  2. Sharapov
    Sharapov 21 December 2016 10: 39
    0
    What about weapons? there is nothing besides a machine gun? I don’t watch any ATGMs or any cannabis ...... A bus for infantry?
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 December 2016 10: 46
      +7
      Quote: Sharapov
      What about weapons? there is nothing besides a machine gun? I don’t watch any ATGMs or any cannabis ...... A bus for infantry?

      The video clearly showed that Kurganets will be in three versions with different combat modules. Review carefully.
      1. Sharapov
        Sharapov 21 December 2016 10: 59
        +2
        A modification with a machine gun is being tested in the video. The author himself calls it an "infantry bus" - an excellent toothless target, why is it needed?
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 21 December 2016 13: 28
          +6
          write nonsense.
          10:22. Modifications of Kurgan are visible there. There are anti-tank missiles, there are ARVs, etc. Everything is thought out there.
          1. Sharapov
            Sharapov 21 December 2016 13: 43
            0
            And you are super-stupid. I do not discuss all modifications. I write about the need for the release and effectiveness of the combat use of the modification of the armored personnel carrier - a military bus armed with a machine gun. We are not talking about other modifications. Or do you assume that BMP Kurganets will always be attached to the BTR Kurganets in battle to protect it?
            1. seos
              seos 21 December 2016 14: 55
              0
              German Mulder 1 or 2 analogue
              Not for fighting, but to protect the infantry on the march ... an example of Afghanistan and the constant ambush of the majahideen ...
              Pros:
              1) High protection against hand weapons - heavy machine guns, possibly RPGs.
              2) Enhanced mine resistance - soldiers do not need to ride on the roof.
              3) Defensive weapons are sufficient for counterguerrilla defense.
              Cons - a large, high target, weak weapons.
              Although they could have AGS, a 14mm machine gun or a 23mm-30mm cannon stick.
              Let's say the dimensions of the "Kord" are not too different from the KVPT or 23 mm cannon ..
              1. Sharapov
                Sharapov 21 December 2016 15: 47
                +1
                1. Probably not Mulder, but Marder.
                2. In your opinion, there can be no military operations on the march?
                3. Protection (possibly) from RPGs? No comments.
                4. Comparison with Marder, she has a 20 mm cannon, 2 pieces of 7,62 machine guns, ATGM "MILAN" - ALL produced copies were equipped. Production year - until 1975 .....
                5. But we have a machine gun in 2017.
                A German pensioner will meet with our newly-made "infantry bus" in an open field - guess what will happen?
                Of course you need to save, but not to the same extent.
                1. seos
                  seos 15 January 2017 19: 55
                  0
                  Protection (possibly) from RPGs? No comments.

                  On the BMP-3, the Research Institute "Steel" developed and installed dynamic protection for lightly armored vehicles ... This DZ is very much like the floats of Kurganets-25.
                  I think this DZ + floats are.
            2. silver_roman
              silver_roman 21 December 2016 15: 16
              +2
              Chu .... where did you get that the sample shown in the video is serial? Or give journalists an armored personnel carrier with ATGM containers? Meaning? In addition, these same containers have no effect on its functions of transporting troops.
            3. venik
              venik 22 December 2016 11: 36
              0
              Quote: Sharapov
              Or do you assume that BMP Kurganets will always be attached to the BTR Kurganets in battle to protect it?

              ====
              And why, strictly speaking? No need to carry nonsense! "Kurganets" is a PLATFORM !! Got it? Somewhere, under some conditions, someone may need an off-road armored personnel carrier on a caterpillar track. And if you need an infantry fighting vehicle - just change the combat modules.
              1. Sharapov
                Sharapov 22 December 2016 13: 33
                0
                Quote: venik
                BMP - just change the combat modules.

                Are you adequate? Change the combat modules and all the equipment - half the cost and a week of factory repair. The whole point of the PLATFORM (chassis, powerplant, etc.) is its versatility in terms of maintainability.
                Yes, you still need to change the crew, as the BTR machine gunner can’t cope with other weapons.
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    2. Su24
      Su24 21 December 2016 10: 58
      +2
      Quote: Sharapov
      What about weapons? there is nothing besides a machine gun? I don’t watch any ATGMs or any cannabis ...... A bus for infantry?


      Does the term "APC" mean anything to you?
      1. Sharapov
        Sharapov 21 December 2016 11: 36
        0
        Quote: Su24
        doesn't tell you anything

        About nothing. On BTR82 and then put a 30-mm gun 2A72 and coaxial machine gun. And here is a piece of iron, the main task of which is to transport 8 infantrymen and hide from enemy infantry fighting vehicles and grenade launchers.
  3. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 21 December 2016 10: 40
    0
    Great car, but of course the quality will only show in real combat conditions ....
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 21 December 2016 11: 58
      +1
      better without fighting
      let there be more of them; and scare on further from our borders. and fight others trust
  4. nekish
    nekish 21 December 2016 11: 06
    +1
    Didn't they add a "telephone" at the stern like Jews and Americans for communication with the crew?
  5. NEXUS
    NEXUS 21 December 2016 12: 25
    +3
    The question of engines is very interesting. It is noteworthy that the engines will be for civilian trucks. It is very pleasing. All the same, no matter what they say, but the defense industry is pushing civilian industry in front.
  6. Trevis
    Trevis 21 December 2016 12: 30
    +2
    Cool stuff! At the parade, she seemed to me less. wink But how it flies! good
  7. Net
    Net 21 December 2016 12: 50
    0
    The white star on the ribbon is too much like an American symbol. Couldn’t come up with a better version of the curve copy?
  8. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
    Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 21 December 2016 17: 04
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    but the defense industry pushes civilian industry in front.


    If you push someone in front, he may fall on his ass.
  9. Nasty
    Nasty 21 December 2016 20: 40
    0
    Quote: Sharapov
    A modification with a machine gun is being tested in the video. The author himself calls it an "infantry bus" - an excellent toothless target, why is it needed?

    Yes, smartass, you need a tank.
  10. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 21 December 2016 20: 49
    0
    What is the point of putting a machine gun on a vehicle, if you can install an Epoch combat module with a 30 mm autocannon? The survivability of the vehicle will not be affected by this, because the ammunition load is placed outside the vehicle's hull. Or is it all about the price of the combat module?
  11. venik
    venik 22 December 2016 11: 17
    +1
    Strange! The more I look at the Kurganets, the more it reminds me of a reconfigured BMP-3 (the Dragoon seems ...). I won't be surprised if it turns out to be so !!!