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Media: the second prototype of the Chinese J-31 will rise into the air before the end of the year

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The second prototype of the Chinese fighter 5 -th generation J-31 under the designation PT-2 will make the first flight until the end of the 2016 g, reports bmpd with reference to the magazine "Air Forces Monthly".


Media: the second prototype of the Chinese J-31 will rise into the air before the end of the year
The first prototype of the Chinese fighter J-31, 2014 year

“The second plane will be different from the first prototype. Improvements have affected aerodynamics, aimed at reducing the EPR of the aircraft, and achieving a greater degree of stealth. The second prototype will be equipped with an advanced avionics, which was presented at the AVIC aircraft manufacturing concern’s booth at the Advanced Avionics Concept in Zhuhai, ”the article says.

In addition, according to the magazine, “the size of the weapons compartment will increase compared to the first prototype (four obsolete SD-10A air-to-air missiles were placed in it), which will simplify the placement of six SD-10A missiles with folding plumage.”

A magazine source said that "J-31 will be equipped with a Chinese engine (presumably WS-13A), but it will also be able to use Russian RD-93, which are installed on the JF-17 fighter."

Transportation, presumably, the glider of the second experienced flight model of the Chinese fighter J-31. Shenyang, July 2016 of the year

The author notes that “the flight characteristics of the J-31 during the Zhuhai air show in 2014 were criticized when they said that“ the plane flies like a brick ”with the afterburner enabled, and many then believed that it lacked power supply.” To which the representative of China said: "In general, we, the Chinese, are more cautious about experienced machines than you are in the West, which is why he flew like that."
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  1. Titsen
    Titsen 19 December 2016 13: 19
    +2
    Copyists in China are getting better and better!

    And technologists began to catch up with them ...
    1. rrrd
      rrrd 19 December 2016 13: 23
      +4
      They said a hundred times and I’ll say it again. copy is not good! something I don’t really believe in the military power of China.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 19 December 2016 13: 43
        +10
        Especially considering their purchases of SU-35.
        1. cniza
          cniza 19 December 2016 14: 12
          +5
          I don’t really believe that they made the engine without our participation.
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 19 December 2016 14: 40
            +2
            I think there are not only problems in the engines.
        2. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 19 December 2016 16: 08
          +2
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Especially considering their purchases of SU-35.

          Look! I also think, why would they then 35th ..? request
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 19 December 2016 16: 42
        +1
        Quote: rrrd
        They said a hundred times and I’ll say it again. copy is not good! something I don’t really believe in the military power of China.

        Well, the USSR also copied some things. Regarding power, they have a powerful economy and a large human resource. Plus, you should watch the artillery competition, I don’t remember which one, but there we lost to the Chinese, and this is a bell.
        1. Ckyy
          Ckyy 19 December 2016 23: 11
          +3
          so that the "patriot" would realize that the Russian Federation is no longer the USSR, he needs a bell ... and not to ring them, but preferably to beat: 3
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 December 2016 14: 50
      +1
      Media: the second prototype of the Chinese J-31 will rise into the air before the end of the year

      Chet copypaster slowed down. I already thought Jo-41 riveted lol
      Ahh, the engines have nowhere to slam with avionics .... I understand request
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 19 December 2016 15: 23
      +1
      And what is their engine fighter? Would you really like to read his characteristics?
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 19 December 2016 15: 47
        +1
        Quote: RASKAT
        And what is their engine fighter?

        On the first experimental: RD-93. The Chinese version of the RD-33MK under JF-17.
        The serial installation of the Chinese WS-13A is supposed to be, it is something like a deeply modernized RD-33.
        Quote: RASKAT
        Would you really like to read his characteristics?

        There is no reliable information. Allegedly, a thrust of 10200 kgf.
  2. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 19 December 2016 13: 21
    +2
    Without Russia, they would not have made sketches of the 5th generation ...
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 19 December 2016 13: 32
      +11
      I can still understand the J-20, but the 31st is related to us?
      The people here giggle, they say the Chinese, gloating, but meanwhile for now less quality but TWO China raised a fifth-generation fighter to the wing, with the 5th flight taking place later than our T-20, and will go into production earlier.
      Stories and realities do not care on whose side the truth, sketches and other ephemeral things. For the Chinese, the industry is working to its fullest - that's what matters. They have, but we do not. And the more the Chinese machine will work, the more experience and knowledge it will receive. It all went through.
      1. RUSIVAN
        RUSIVAN 19 December 2016 13: 45
        +3
        And for you, the reliability of technology depends on how quickly it came out ??? Well, you have the logic and still, no one is kicking China, but we are saying the facts that all of China’s industry is built on the Soviet model and that it has mostly thanks to the Soviet Union, and now Russia and they don’t even hide it, that's when they build it fundamentally new, and then we'll talk, and so some copies ...
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 19 December 2016 14: 37
          +4
          Quote: RUSIVAN
          And for you, the reliability of technology depends on how quickly it came out ??? well, you have logic

          Well, this is never funny at all. I didn’t say a word about reliability, and you’re already making conclusions about my logic, isn’t it too much?
          Tell us about the reliability of Chinese fighters, if you are so knowledgeable.

          Quote: RUSIVAN
          China's industry is built on the Soviet model and what it has for the most part thanks to the Soviet Union, and now Russia, and they don’t even hide it

          But the USSR and now Russia hid that a bunch of achievements in the same way are at least conceptually copied from a lot of other people's developments? Starting with our MS-1 tank stupidly copied from the French Renault, many aviation examples including the Tu-160 concept copied from the Americans and ending with the same Buran, although more successful but also conceptually copied from the American Shuttle. Does it bother you? Why so? This is a global trend, industrial espionage is called. And the fact that China does this is not something strange, disapproving, or something else. There is no point in reproaching this.
          Quote: RUSIVAN
          as well as some copies ...

          I ask again, lip-read: from which Soviet or Russian aircraft was the J-31 copied?
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            1. Voyager
              Voyager 19 December 2016 15: 33
              +4
              Quote: nikcris
              Is MS-1 a joke? You yourself realize that nonsense?

              Reason your conclusion about nonsense.

              Quote: nikcris
              And from whom is the Tu-160 copied?

              With B1, of course.

              Quote: nikcris
              Have you seen Spiral? It's 1969 in flight.

              Similarly, the conceptual response to the American X-20 presented earlier.

              Quote: nikcris
              How is the hull (and what about you) different from the Shuttle and the Buran?

              The fact that he, like the X-20, is a completely different class of vehicles with respect to the Buran and the Shuttle, which have little in common. In other words, a spiral is an orbital small-sized aircraft, and Buran is a full-fledged orbital ship, with a weight of more than 10 times that of the Spiral. But what does the Spiral have to do with the issue of copying the Shuttle, which our developers admitted to, I don’t understand.
              Rather, you have cereal in your head, in addition to total ignorance of the topic.
              Quote: nikcris
              Sick of such vyseroFFFF !!!

              I suggest one of two things: either talk normally, or close your mouth.
      2. Grenader
        Grenader 19 December 2016 14: 17
        +2
        Quote: Voyager
        The people here giggle, they say the Chinese, gloat over, and meanwhile, even if they are of less quality, but TWO fifth-generation fighters, China raised to the wing, and the 5th first flight took place later than our T-20, and will go to the series earlier.

        Yes, even let them do four; without a new engine, their fifth generation is worthless. We, too, could easily launch a T-50 series with an engine of the first stage, but this will not be a fifth-generation aircraft. So the rush is needed when catching fleas, and the T-50 will be brought to mind in due time. The truth is bad that we do not do a light fifth-generation fighter.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 19 December 2016 14: 45
          +3
          Quote: Grenader
          without a new engine, their fifth generation is worthless.


          By your logic, all our other planes without fifth-generation engines (that is, all) are worth nothing. Nonsense, right?

          Quote: Grenader
          could launch the T-50 series with the engine of the first stage, but it will not be a fifth-generation aircraft.

          Will be. It meets all the requirements. Moreover, the first batch will be with the engine of the first stage. Also say that this is under-plane like the Chinese? If you can still say that the engines are weak, then no. But this will not prevent the Chinese from flying and carrying a threat.

          Quote: Grenader
          So the rush is needed when catching fleas, and the T-50 will be brought to mind in due time.

          In the USSR, from the first flight of the prototype Su-27 to the receipt of serial samples in parts, if my memory serves me right, 4-5 years have passed. In the case of PAK FA, the result will be 8-9 years. USSR in a hurry? Or did the plane turn out bad? No, we just could afford it then. And now we can’t, and we justify ourselves, they say others overtake because we are copying. These are flabby principles underestimating the enemy, which lead to stagnation.

          Quote: Grenader
          The truth is bad that we do not do a light fifth-generation fighter.

          You yourself understood the essence - we are developing one, and they are two and faster, not because they tear their asses with all their might, but again, because they can.
          1. Grenader
            Grenader 19 December 2016 15: 28
            0
            Quote: Voyager
            By your logic, all our other planes without fifth-generation engines (that is, all) are worth nothing. Nonsense, right?

            Not delirium with the engines of the first stage, the aircraft will not be considered the fifth generation, releasing it is not profitable because there are 4 ++ airplanes

            Will be. It meets all the requirements. Moreover, the first batch will be with the engine of the first stage. Also say that this is under-plane like the Chinese? If you can still say that the engines are weak, then no. But this will not prevent the Chinese from flying and carrying a threat.

            It will not be because One of the requirements for a fifth-generation aircraft is afterburning supersonic. J-20 is a hefty fool who without powerful engines will fly badly. With J-31, the situation is described in the article.
            In the USSR, from the first flight of the prototype Su-27 to the receipt of serial samples in parts, if my memory serves me right, 4-5 years have passed. In the case of PAK FA, the result will be 8-9 years. USSR in a hurry? Or did the plane turn out bad? No, we just could afford it then. And now we can’t, and we justify ourselves, they say others overtake because we are copying. These are flabby principles underestimating the enemy, which lead to stagnation.

            I would like to quickly, but until the engine is ready, the aircraft is not ready. You need to learn how to do it faster, but you can’t launch a crude airplane.
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 19 December 2016 16: 08
              +1
              Quote: Grenader
              Not delirium with the engines of the first stage, the aircraft will not be considered the fifth generation, releasing it is not profitable because there are 4 ++ airplanes

              What is the "first stage engine" if we are now discussing not only the T-50? Moreover, not only the engine determines the appearance of the notorious 5th generation, it is a huge set of measures.
              I repeat to you once again, the T-50 will go into the first series with just such an engine, and in your opinion it will be the fifth generation, I understand.

              Quote: Grenader
              It will not be because One of the requirements for a fifth-generation aircraft is afterburning supersonic.

              Who said that the T-50 with 117 engines can not go to afterburning supersonic? (maybe. therefore it will.)

              Quote: Grenader
              J-20 is a hefty fool who without powerful engines will fly badly. With J-31, the situation is described in the article.
              When there will be concrete results, then it will be possible to say how they will fly. So far, this is all your guesswork. This notoriety with gradation is amusing, they say the 5th generation, not the 5th ... The F-35 is also considered the 5th, and the Su-35 is not considered, but this does not mean that the F-35 has flight characteristics, including supersonic numbers are better. You need to look at the parameters first, and there is very little real information about the Chinese to immediately flush them into the toilet.
              1. Grenader
                Grenader 19 December 2016 17: 51
                +1
                Quote: Voyager
                What is the "first stage engine" if we are now discussing not only the T-50? Moreover, not only the engine determines the appearance of the notorious 5th generation, it is a huge set of measures.
                I repeat to you once again, the T-50 will go into the first series with just such an engine, and in your opinion it will be the fifth generation, I understand.

                You do not see the topic of this issue at all, but undertake to polemicize. At the moment, the T-50 aircraft undergoing tests fly on the AL-41F1 intermediate engine (“product 117”), created as part of the Demon Design and Design Bureau and similar in design to the Su-35S fighter engine. However, T-50 serial deliveries must start already with the new engine of the second stage, which was called in open sources "product 30". In comparison with AL-41F1, the engine's thrust should be increased (up to 17,5-19,5 tons), fuel efficiency should be increased and the life cycle cost should be reduced. Most likely the first batch, if it comes out with ALF-41F1, will have weakened characteristics.
                Quote: Voyager
                Who said that the T-50 with 117 engines can not go to afterburning supersonic? (maybe. therefore it will.)

                The J-20 has the largest dimensions among fifth-generation fighters, therefore it will not develop the required thrust with such a mass.
                Quote: Voyager
                When there will be concrete results, then it will be possible to say how they will fly. So far, this is all your guesswork. This notoriety with gradation is amusing, they say the 5th generation, not the 5th ... The F-35 is also considered the 5th, and the Su-35 is not considered, but this does not mean that the F-35 has flight characteristics, including supersonic numbers are better. You need to look at the parameters first, and there is very little real information about the Chinese to immediately flush them into the toilet

                It is precisely that there are no results yet and there is practically nothing to show the Chinese, and the issue of launching aircraft in a series has already been raised.
                The author notes that "the flight characteristics of the J-31 during the Zhuhai air show in 2014 were criticized when they said that" the plane flies like a brick "with the afterburner enabled, and many then believed that it lacked the power-to-weight ratio."
          2. Ckyy
            Ckyy 19 December 2016 23: 15
            +1
            Well, what are you trying to prove to the "patriots"? They "know" that all the best equipment is produced in Russia (everyone drives VAZs as one))): 3
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 December 2016 15: 27
        +3
        Quote: Voyager
        moreover, the 20th first flight was made later than our T-50, and will go into the series earlier.

        What do you think is better, to correct most of the diseases at the level of the prototype and the pre-production car, or quickly put it into production, buy a hundred other raw production cars, and then "treat" each one with chronic defects?
        Quote: Voyager
        For the Chinese, the industry is working to its fullest - that's what matters.

        It is important, of course. But the Chinese cannot master the main component of the aircraft-engine around which the fighter’s glider is being built. Rather, they have their own engines, but their resource is several times less than ours and the mattresses.
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    3. rrrd
      rrrd 19 December 2016 13: 34
      +1
      that's for sure! so I have a question. there is only a question of money !?
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 December 2016 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: RUSIVAN
      Without Russia, they would not have made sketches of the 5th generation ...

      Duc they did not. Believe Chinese PR less.
      If you listen to them their better than our t-90 and t-14 laughing
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 December 2016 13: 31
    +1
    Sketches are not a problem ... everyone makes them. And with the engines there will be a problem. AL-41F for Su-35S can be set with a stretch for the 5th generation, then the RD-33 series is not even modernized for us for such purposes. OBTs have already been delivered, but they have no increased traction. Accordingly, there will be no cruising supersonic.
    1. RUSIVAN
      RUSIVAN 19 December 2016 13: 46
      0
      I did not mean the sketches about your understanding, but the real ones, according to which you can create a combat vehicle, and not your children's drawings from the kindergarten ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 December 2016 14: 58
        +2
        I meant a glider with an engine that somehow flies and looks like a stealth. Apparently, far from my drawings and kindergarten ... laughing
        1. RUSIVAN
          RUSIVAN 19 December 2016 17: 54
          0
          Well, where am I going to you, I’m not an artist, and you seem to be a very good artist, and so I agree with you, I’m very far from your drawings, only I have this far in the past, and apparently you are in full swing)))
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 19 December 2016 21: 43
            0
            I hope you are the only loser in this ... although this problem usually comes bundled with another. If you agree, then work on yourself and you will be better. Not in the drawings only happiness.
  4. Odysseus
    Odysseus 19 December 2016 14: 05
    0
    Curiously, there were rumors on the Internet about J-20 problems, while the program was developing very fast.
    But there are obvious problems with the J-31, although this is not mentioned. The program is developing slowly, because the technical problems or the order of priorities are unclear, but the fact is clear.
    And if the J-20 has already begun to enter the CA Air Force, then with the J-31 the horse still did not roll, and judging by the pace the aircraft will be ready somewhere by 2020.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 December 2016 14: 15
    +1
    Engines are still their Achilles heel. Well, Allah is with them. With the aerodynamics of supersonic flight is also not very. Well, oranges will not be born on the aspen ... This is unnatural.
  6. Altona
    Altona 19 December 2016 14: 39
    0
    Quote: Voyager
    The people here giggle, they say the Chinese, gloat over, and meanwhile, even if they are of less quality, but TWO fifth-generation fighters, China raised to the wing, and the 5th first flight took place later than our T-20, and will go to the series earlier.

    ---------------------------------
    The photo shows some kind of scumbag, a child of compromise. Too much tail in a short and skinny carcass. Where is fuel and ammunition going? No wonder it flies like a brick.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 19 December 2016 15: 03
      +1
      Subjectively - it is possible. If you look more objectively, then it looks nothing out of the ordinary. Unless you think Americans are the same.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 December 2016 15: 25
      +5
      "with a short and skinny carcass." ///

      You can’t please, directly!
      The F-35 is too greasy, the Chinese are too skinny belay .
      You really decide who you love: fat or thin? drinks
      1. Ckyy
        Ckyy 19 December 2016 23: 17
        0
        This guy loves Russians and only them: 3
  7. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 19 December 2016 14: 41
    +1
    Why not give the full information.
    As Alan Warnes writes in an article in China shows off, published in the January For 2017 year issue of Air Forces Monthly, it is expected that the second prototype of a fifth-generation Chinese fighter J-31 called RT-2 will make its first flight before the end of 2016 . The new fighter is designed and built by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation. The second aircraft will be different from the first prototype. Improvements affected aerodynamics aimed at reducing the EPR of the aircraft, and achieving a greater degree of stealth. The second prototype will have an improved avionics, which was presented at the booth of the aircraft manufacturer AVIC at the cabin in Zhuhai under the name "Advanced Avionics Concept".
    Changes also affected the optical-location station in the bow, in addition, small displays above one large multi-function display will be installed in the cockpit.

    The size of the weapons compartment will also increase compared to the first prototype (which housed four outdated SD-10A air-to-air missiles), which will simplify the deployment of six SD-10A missiles with folding tail. The second J-31 airframe is already built for static testing. The author’s source said that the J-31 will be equipped with a Chinese engine (presumably WS-13A), but will also be able to use the Russian RD-93, which are installed on the JF-17 fighter.

    The Chinese corporation SETS exhibited at its booth the KLJ-7A AFAR radar, which is considered as the "brains" of the J-31, and is also offered as an option for equipping the Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Block 3 fighters.

    The flight performance of J-31 during the air show in Zhuhai in 2014 was criticized when they said that "the plane flies like a brick" with the afterburner on, and many then believed that it lacked power equipment. But a source at CATIC told the author of the publication that “in general, we Chinese are more careful about experienced cars than you in the West, so he flew like that.”
    This fighter is primarily regarded as an export one, but AVIC is optimistic that the Chinese Air Force and Navy will purchase it.
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 December 2016 15: 06
    +1
    It needs to be compared with the F-35 ... but no one has such an engine with a thrust under 20nm ... so they put 2pcs of RD-33.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 December 2016 16: 02
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      It needs to be compared with the F-35 ... but no one has such an engine with a thrust under 20nm ... so they put 2pcs of RD-33.

      Yeah .. Pratt and Vyttni did issue on the mountain. This is the only normal unit on this efk. And then the thrust-to-weight ratio is mediocre ...
  9. Voyager
    Voyager 19 December 2016 16: 16
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    It is important, of course. But the Chinese cannot master the main component of the aircraft-engine around which the fighter’s glider is being built. Rather, they have their own engines, but their resource is several times less than ours and the mattresses.

    You yourself understand that at such a pace it is a matter of time. So far, the Chinese are closing the gap. And if our development is based on the principle "but don't care, they still lick everything with us, that's why we are cool," then it is not exactly an hour that we will remain a fool. That is why I am glad that the comrades above have nothing to do with MO.

    As for the T-50, it still has enough problems without engines. The glider was redone - so it was necessary, it’s good. It will be better, get rid of the childhood diseases you are talking about. But this only says that everything is not going as smoothly (and even more so not so fast) as Poghosyan said in 2010.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 19 December 2016 17: 33
      +3
      Quote: Voyager
      You yourself understand that at such a pace it is a matter of time.

      Sure. But as far as I can tell, no one is going to merge engine technologies with the Chinese, but only the finished product is given. About time ... and time is by far the most expensive resource. In 5-10 years, many technologies will go forward and noticeably. Although in fairness it must be said that thanks to our "tips" and help, the Chinese have closed the technological gap of 5 years in 20 years.
      Quote: Voyager
      As for the T-50, it still has enough problems without engines.

      Product 30 is being tested and it seems that until the time frame was shifted.
      Quote: Voyager
      It will be better, get rid of the childhood diseases you are talking about. But this only says that everything is not going as smoothly (and even more so not so fast) as Poghosyan said in 2010.

      And it’s better that it doesn’t go smoothly, since most of the obvious and hidden problems can be eliminated at the level of pre-production samples ... now if everything was smooth and good, then you would have to worry a lot.
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 19 December 2016 22: 29
        0
        Problems have always existed, just, I repeat, in the days of the USSR there were more opportunities. There was more responsibility for the deadlines. And we were ahead of all along with mattresses butting. Now, I must admit, China is getting closer and will soon step on its heels.
  10. Altona
    Altona 19 December 2016 16: 18
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The F-35 is too greasy, the Chinese are too skinny

    ---------------------------
    It’s good that the comrade deployed higher in front and put Americans for comparison. The wings of the Chinese are also small, scanty completely plane. The Americans have much more developed planes.
  11. Voyager
    Voyager 19 December 2016 18: 49
    0
    Quote: Grenader

    You do not see the topic of this issue at all, but undertake to polemicize. At the moment, the T-50 aircraft undergoing tests fly on the AL-41F1 intermediate engine (“product 117”), created as part of the Demon Design and Design Bureau and similar in design to the Su-35S fighter engine. However, T-50 serial deliveries must start already with the new engine of the second stage, which was called in open sources "product 30". In comparison with AL-41F1, the engine's thrust should be increased (up to 17,5-19,5 tons), fuel efficiency should be increased and the life cycle cost should be reduced. Most likely the first batch, if it comes out with ALF-41F1, will have weakened characteristics.

    Well, yes, and nothing that I just a few years ago here on the forum explained to many about the 117th and how it differs from the 117S Su-35th laughing Yes, you are all masters to judge who is in the subject and who is not wink The fact that the first production samples will go with the 117 engine has been rubbed more than once, and the representatives of the Saturn NGO spoke about this.
    The only problem is that you cannot understand that the improved characteristics of the Type 30 cannot underestimate the advantages of the AL-41F1, and the fact that the latter fully complies with the requirements of the requirements has already been repeatedly noted. The engine of the second stage can only be called very pleasant, but in addition to what already works.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 December 2016 21: 45
      0
      2x20 tons, traction will be ...