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10 years of war, but Donbass does not give up

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For the third consecutive year, Ukraine has been destroying the Donbass, increasingly using the scorched earth tactics. No peace talks are taken into account, Kiev diplomats are quite successfully pulling rubber with the support of their Euro-American owners, and the southeast continues to glow. The Donbass turned into a kind of Brest fortress, holding back the advance of the fascist hordes on the civilized world.

Only now the fascists changed their residence, but not their orientation. They are sent all the same money bags stuffed with dollars, and instead of "Heil" they occasionally call some kind of "Glory." And Hitler didn’t give them up Washington, they have to manage with their own clowns and psychos.

But Donbass surpassed the feat of Brest and practically under the same conditions turned into a monolithic bastion in the way of the barbarian hordes. I do not in any way want to detract from the merit of Soviet soldiers, who defended their great homeland to the last drop of blood, but the residents of the LDNR are at least worthy of comparison with the defenders of the fortress, and in terms of defense they deserve special praise.

According to the official chronology, the civil war in the south-east of Ukraine is already burning for the third year (the next sad anniversary is just around the corner) and so far there is almost no hope for a change for the better. Kiev is still stubbornly ignoring the second Minsk, Europe is too busy with internal problems and is still dancing to Obama’s tune, despite the fact that he has already retired with one foot, and Russia cannot influence its partners by diplomatic means. Mad dogs are usually shot, but not trying to persuade. In this situation, unfortunately, such a “solution” of the problem only hurts. Although, at a minimum, Poroshenko’s team can only understand such an appeal. But alas and ah.

Be that as it may, Donbass continues to stand, almost alone, fighting off the superior forces of the enemy. And if you dig deeper, this war lasts far from three years. The first trial attempts of hostilities took Kiev back in the distant 2005 year, and since then, with some interruptions, it conducted subversive work, crushed and killed on the sly, and eventually struck at full strength in 2014. And he broke off his teeth stumbling upon the resilience and dedication of the right Ukrainians, who did not forget their real roots and family ties. 10-years of preparation was not enough.

Washington has long held the eastern region of Ukraine at gunpoint, carrying out plans to create a military training ground near the Russian Federation, and led an active offensive after the Orange Revolution. Yushchenko became a useful tool for sponsors of the first Maidan and literally immediately after the inauguration in January, 2005 began to prepare the Donbass. It was then that for the first time the term “Eastern separatism” rumbled for the not quite right patriots. All the same territories were subjected to shelling.

Criminal cases against the heads of the Kharkiv and Lugansk regional administrations of Kushnarev and Tikhonov, as well as the blatant maniacal persecution of Boris Kolesnikov and the subsequent purge of the Donetsk elite, were only test strikes. But they shook the whole country and raised a serious wave of protest. Ukraine had not yet undergone mass processing and had not truly turned into a zoo, so Yushchenko’s “samplers” went into milk. But he started the war. After that, there was a large privatization of Ukraine and the corresponding redistribution. Donbass again got the most, but again without particularly dangerous consequences. Similar attacks continued until Yanukovych came to power, who in his own way prevented the collapse of the country and reconciled the east and the west, having stolen the US plans.

As it turned out, the truce did not last long. Further sad events have already been studied in detail and recorded in the annals. And if for Ukraine the postmaid period became the beginning of the end and a shame for the whole state, the Donbass can proudly bring the last three years on the board of honor. And remember the previous seven.

Ukrainians practically do not know about the "separatist" activities of Mr. Yushchenko and naturally did not pay attention to the first echoes of the war. Therefore, many today were shocked by the confession of another repentant participant of past crimes, who told live on the Ukrainian channel about the initial preparation for a civil war. Former Defense Minister Anatoly Gritsenko spoke about the secret documents of the Yushchenko government, transferred to the General Staff at the beginning of 2005.

The project developed 7 base case scenarios for the use of armed forces in the event of an attack, and Russian aggression in this list highlighted the central role. The decree was secretly signed by the president, Gritsenko himself and the chief of the General Staff and immediately put into circulation. In the summer of 2005, the transfer of artillery and armored vehicles from the southern regions to the Donbass began. At the same time, Yushchenko tried to swing the southeast and force the "separatists" to the uprising. If everything went according to the scenario of the initiators and sponsors of the Orange Revolution, the civil war in Ukraine would have flared up even 10 years ago.

It lacked only a little - Nulland cookies and Payette pressure (or rather, at that time, Tefft and Herbst). The organizers of the first Maidan simply did not squeeze the situation. George Bush Jr., by that time, was rapidly losing ground, despite the fact that he had recently re-occupied the Oval Office, tearing his rival in the race John Kerry to shreds. Bush is blind in Iraq and Afghanistan (aside from a dozen other minor local conflicts). The Ukrainian operation at that very moment could only hurt, so the president did not give the go-ahead. A plan was adopted for a soft occupation of Donbass, which Yushchenko failed to do. Therefore, the second series of Kiev, and later the general Ukrainian, booth was already much tougher and more practical. Obama took into account the mistakes of his predecessor and threw his puppets into battle, thereby sentencing Ukraine to death.


Donbass did not surrender 10 years ago in preparation for the occupation, it does not surrender and is now in open battle with a dirty and mean enemy. What is not Brest Fortress in the format of the whole republic?
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  1. Semirek
    Semirek 13 December 2016 06: 47
    +8
    Resistance and endurance to the defenders of the Donbass. hi
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 13 December 2016 07: 35
      +22
      Donbass did not surrender 10 years ago in preparation for the occupation, it does not surrender and is now in open battle with a dirty and mean enemy. What is not Brest Fortress in the format of the whole republic?

      And they won’t surrender to the chief roosters who seized power in Ukraine not to conceive. Honor and respect for the courageous people of LDNR. hi
      1. Anton Klimkov
        13 December 2016 11: 58
        +6
        Well, how do you like the article? wink
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 13 December 2016 12: 22
          +10
          Quote: Anton Klimkov
          Well, how do you like the article? wink

          Thanks Anton! We are waiting for more. good hi
        2. Skeptic Self-Taught
          Skeptic Self-Taught 13 December 2016 13: 55
          +7
          Only for the very first photo that was published - to cut the whole kaklohunt alive to pieces.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 13 December 2016 17: 55
            +8
            Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
            Only for the very first photo that was published - to cut the whole kaklohunt alive to pieces.

            I agree, but what can I do with them for this ?! am
  2. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 13 December 2016 06: 50
    +9
    Honor and Glory to You Defenders of Donbass! I am proud of my involvement! with a bow Volga Cossack!
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 December 2016 06: 52
    +9
    and still dancing to the tune of Obama, despite the fact that he already has one foot in retirement,


    I wish he was with one, or better with two legs, in the grave! This dog of war deserves this, and let all those suffering from the war be him an eternal reminder of his "peacekeeping" activities! angry
    Do not take, do not break the Ukronazists, the people of Donbass!
    1. sergeyzzz
      sergeyzzz 13 December 2016 06: 59
      +8
      The problem here is not one individual person, but the fact that the epidemic of ukrofascism has firmly settled in the minds of most Ukrainians. They will take away one, a replacement will be found very quickly.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 13 December 2016 10: 09
        0
        sergeyzzz Today, 06:59 ↑


        For this, they came up with a "store", or you can insert a tape.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 13 December 2016 10: 57
        +5
        Quote: sergeyzzz
        the epidemic of ukrofashism firmly settled in the minds of most Ukrainians. They will take away one, a replacement will be found very quickly.

        well, how to say .... just people are afraid to openly express their opinions, but even such a "personality" is recognized ...
        “If Ukraine does not stop in its mistakes, then the Moldovan scenario will work out in the next presidential election in Ukraine and the pro-Russian candidate will win,” Sergey Leshchenko, one of the initiators of the Euromaidan, recently said. "Our fellow citizens will easily accept the "Russian world" because they accept ex-regionals in parliament, do not see positive in decommunization, put "plates" for stubbornly watching Russian channels and agree that yesterday’s member of the Party of Regions may hold a public position. And even a war in which the "regionals" and the communists are to blame no less than Russia and Putin will not take this away from our people. "
    2. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 13 December 2016 14: 01
      +3
      If we are talking about Obama, then it will be more accurate to be a "war monkey" rather than a "dog".
  4. Mihail55
    Mihail55 13 December 2016 06: 53
    +7
    I hope that the history of this war with the Ukrainian fascists will be correctly presented to our descendants! Do not forget, do not forgive!
  5. cap
    cap 13 December 2016 07: 12
    +5
    Donbass did not surrender 10 years ago in preparation for the occupation, it does not surrender and is now in open battle with a dirty and mean enemy. What is not Brest Fortress in the format of the whole republic?


    Of course. Donbass will go down in history with its courage and stamina.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 December 2016 11: 30
      +6
      Donbass will go down in history as another "Gaza Strip" - constant shelling, destruction of infrastructure, rushing observers, mountains of corpses and the leadership of the republics, which do not have their own opinion and will to act - a slow war for many years - thanks to the Minsk agreements. ...
  6. CONTROL
    CONTROL 13 December 2016 08: 27
    +9
    Yeah, right ...
    But - you need to help (although there are many questions - but your own ...); left the day before yesterday with a load, a "commercial" convoy ...
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    ... And the border is locked! The keys to the lock are in the kapterka ... the kapterka is at the end of the corridor, vo-door ... go down, take it; open, close, and hang in place!
    ------------------
    At the beginning. when it was necessary to train young people, I was "on the front end"; now - where to me. the old ... They themselves are now "with a mustache"! Yes - and to look at the wounded, killed, destroyed houses (such - with visible love arranged, diligently, though not rich ...) - it became bitter! sentimentality of old age? ...
  7. Vadxnumx
    Vadxnumx 13 December 2016 09: 34
    +18
    Donbass people were betrayed!
    Betrayed by a simple, without regret, who needs them?
    Kiev is NOT! Kiev wants to burn out the Donbass and populate it with moral monsters from Galicia.
    Moscow, NO! Moscow made a bloodbath for the population of Donbass and hid its head in the ground, like an ostrich in the sand !!!
    Dill day to day equal cities and towns of miners with the land, and the Basmachi again captured Gore-Palmyra. \
    What is the LPR, if the Alchevsk Iron and Steel Works is located on its territory, but under the jurisdiction of Kiev it pays taxes to Kiev to wage war against itself !! So are other large enterprises of Donbass.
    Just Vedikobanditsky dismantling of the Russian oligarchs who invested money in the enterprises of Donbass and ukropovskih which, apart from with the Russians, were also at odds with each other.
    The salary is 2500-2700 rubles per month in the LPR, and the prices are at the Moscow level, live and enjoy ...
    Every month I send money to my elder brother, I help as I can, but there are thousands of people who there is nobody to help ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 December 2016 09: 56
      +16
      Quote: Vad65
      Moscow arranged a bloodbath for the population of Donbass

      I do not agree with this. Not Moscow started.
      Donbass people were betrayed!
      Betrayed by a simple, without regret, who needs them?

      And here it was not worth expecting something else. After all, they were determined to create a PEOPLE'S republic there. (or rather, socialist) Do the capitalists need it? Bad example for the rest ... including in Russia. And "Europe" would immediately help the "president-elect" with troops. And Russia is not ready for such a war.
      BUT! Let's say a huge THANKS to those who helped the people of Donbass without any "instructions from above". Including the members of the forum, who have done a lot for this. The people cannot be fooled! And, of course, the whole TRUE history of the Donbass struggle should be described in detail in the HISTORY TEXTBOOKS.
      1. Vadxnumx
        Vadxnumx 13 December 2016 10: 07
        +15
        Initially, Donbass voted in a referendum for autonomy within Ukraine !!!
        The guarantor of the Constitution of GDP, with his statement that Russia will not offend the Russians of Donbass, instilled hope in people, despite the fact that Crimea was an example ...
        And then Comrade Comrade appeared out of nowhere. Girkin and his comrades rushed to the hell.
        Vacationers and the "North Wind" calmed down the dill near Ilovaisk, but that was the end of it, further, like in Chechnya, only instead of Khasavyurt-Minsk ...
        Near Debaltseve, the "Buryat Boys" have already received a response from dill, and now only thermobars can be used to calm the dill, the Warsaw Pact countries have brought them weapons and ammunition ...
        The star of the hero of Russia was handed over to the man who saved Paskud Yanyk, FOR WHAT !!!
        What is this feat for the glory of Russia ???
        What prevented Yanyk, as the legitimately elected president, from February to March 2014, would turn to Russia with a request to restore constitutional order, at least on the left bank of the Dnieper with its capital in Kharkov or Donetsk? There would be access to the Crimea and Transnistria, they would cut off the Waropov from the Black Sea, that would be the alignment, the legally elected president in the fight against the conspirators ....
        1. Donhapa
          Donhapa 13 December 2016 10: 43
          +4
          Quote: Vad65
          Initially, Donbass voted in a referendum for autonomy within Ukraine !!!
          The guarantor of the Constitution of GDP, with his statement that Russia will not offend the Russians of Donbass, instilled hope in people, despite the fact that Crimea was an example ...
          And then Comrade Comrade appeared out of nowhere. Girkin and his comrades rushed to the hell.
          Vacationers and the "North Wind" calmed down the dill near Ilovaisk, but that was the end of it, further, like in Chechnya, only instead of Khasavyurt-Minsk ...
          Near Debaltseve, the "Buryat Boys" have already received a response from dill, and now only thermobars can be used to calm the dill, the Warsaw Pact countries have brought them weapons and ammunition ...
          The star of the hero of Russia was handed over to the man who saved Paskud Yanyk, FOR WHAT !!!
          What is this feat for the glory of Russia ???
          What prevented Yanyk, as the legitimately elected president, from February to March 2014, would turn to Russia with a request to restore constitutional order, at least on the left bank of the Dnieper with its capital in Kharkov or Donetsk? There would be access to the Crimea and Transnistria, they would cut off the Waropov from the Black Sea, that would be the alignment, the legally elected president in the fight against the conspirators ....

          It would be great if...
        2. Kostya Andreev
          Kostya Andreev 13 December 2016 11: 24
          +5
          Quote: Vad65
          What prevented Yanyk, as the legitimately elected president, from February to March 2014, would turn to Russia with a request to restore constitutional order, at least on the left bank of the Dnieper with its capital in Kharkov or Donetsk? There would be access to the Crimea and Transnistria, they would cut off the Waropov from the Black Sea, that would be the alignment, the legally elected president in the fight against the conspirators ....


          And where have you been? Why didn’t you advise Putin? And he and the general staff with analysts. who have more education and information than ours, without your theoretical calculations made this decision. Oh, you should tell Putin earlier. direct him, so to speak, on the right path!
          What prevented Yanyk, as the legitimately elected president, from February to March 2014, will turn to Russia with a request to restore constitutional order, at least on the left bank of the Dnieper with its capital in Kharkov or Donetsk[i] [/ i]?
          Would you go to war? the first would have howled, about the fact that the troops are not fighting properly, our guys are dying. Putin does not think about the people and it is necessary to overthrow him.
          If Yanyk did this, then the Russian Federation would have had to feed Ukraine, many of which hate us (doubts arise about your adequacy), and now this honorable duty is assigned to the EU (they love Ukraine about Koturyun, but it’s cool). From which she denies and demands that Putin clean Ukraine. You are hysterical about the fact that in LDNR the salaries are small, and Russia does not help, but how would you have been hysterical if such LDNR had the floor of Ukraine. Help everyone? at the expense of whom?
          In general, I wonder how old are you? judging by the expression of years 20. apply thermobars! (need a nuclear gun) why? There is an old proven method that our partners use, namely, with the help of economic measures, to reassure those who like to mud Russia, thanks to which they live.

          Quote: Vad65
          Moscow, NO! Moscow made a bloodbath for the population of Donbass and hid its head in the ground, like an ostrich in the sand !!!

          Right? Akhedzhakova admit it you?
          1. Vadxnumx
            Vadxnumx 13 December 2016 16: 42
            +5
            Young man, moderate your ardor, it is better to chew than talk.
            Talk to the relatives of the deceased naive volunteers, the state pays them the survivor’s pension, or what?
            This is your childhood playing in one place ....
        3. 0255
          0255 13 December 2016 11: 28
          +6
          Quote: Vad65
          What prevented Yanyk, as the legitimately elected president, from February to March 2014, would turn to Russia with a request to restore constitutional order, at least on the left bank of the Dnieper with its capital in Kharkov or Donetsk? There would be access to the Crimea and Transnistria, they would cut off the Waropov from the Black Sea, that would be the alignment, the legally elected president in the fight against the conspirators ....

          When Putin promised to protect the Donbass, he referred to Yanukovych’s appeals.

          And how the war began, they immediately began to write that the Donbass, unlike the smart little Crimeans, was incorrectly opposing the Bandera authorities, therefore it is impossible to send troops there.
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 13 December 2016 11: 46
            +6
            But what did he not protect? or was he supposed to roll out all of Ukraine? and then pay for it? it is a trap!
            Do you really believe that people from the face can quickly learn to cover the targets with the first salvo, or organize boilers.
            Putin has 140 million citizens whose interests he defends (and another 10 million people in one republic) who consider themselves awesomely independent, but who can also suffer, so politics is a cruel thing ....
        4. Egoza
          Egoza 13 December 2016 11: 33
          +7
          Quote: Vad65
          And then Comrade Comrade appeared out of nowhere. Girkin and his comrades rushed to the hell.

          Wow! So is Strelkov to blame for everything? he came from the same place as dozens of guys from Germany, Spain, and other countries who came to help fight the Nazis. But do not want to know why Zakharchenko did not send reinforcements on time? And why did Strelkov clean his physics? Not everything was so simple there, and it will not be revealed tomorrow, and not in a year.
          1. Vadxnumx
            Vadxnumx 13 December 2016 20: 04
            +1
            It’s not Strelkov’s fault, but those who sent him there, then shot down a Boeing fool, got taxed and backed up ..
            Zakhar from the PM Akhmetov, Roach in general x. h, they set up customs between themselves and share power.
            What for novig Russia.
            1. libivs
              libivs 15 December 2016 17: 54
              +2
              This is news ... Did the shooters sit at the console himself or sent the Buryats? The main schools of I.I. Strelkov in all this, frankly, ugly story with the popular uprising in Donbass and the collapse of the Russian Spring, his idealism, decency and incomprehensible naive trust in Putin's words that he will stand behind the backs of the people if the junta unleashes a massacre. Already at the rallies gathered on the occasion of the annexation of the Crimea, the words "Russians do not abandon their own" sounded too false. All subsequent events factually confirmed the following axiom of our comprador oligarchy: whom, but Russians, we abandoned, we abandon and will continue to abandon ...
              1. AlexeyAlexey
                AlexeyAlexey 16 December 2016 09: 24
                0
                In Crimea, 80% of the population for Russia was in the Donbas, about 60%, it was dangerous to send troops there in terms of a series of sabotage and Ukrainians would shoot our soldiers in the back. In Donbass, not everything is so simple, unlike Crimea (
    2. Hapfri
      Hapfri 16 December 2016 11: 20
      0
      Moscow, NO! Moscow made a bloodbath for the population of Donbass and hid its head in the ground, like an ostrich in the sand !!!

      What part of your income did you transfer to the Donbass fund?
      Response
      None.
      Tongue of revenge, do not toss bags
  8. BAI
    BAI 13 December 2016 11: 14
    +3
    Politically, the population of Donbass is heterogeneous. Some want to Ukraine, others do not. It all depends on who wins. Time is playing on those who are against Ukraine. The more time passes, the more people learn to do without Ukraine, the more they will hate it. the process of rejection will be all the more irrevocable.
    And Ukraine will do everything to turn the Donbass against itself. It turns out that Ukrainians did not come up with economic and other blockades, but they prompted them from Washington. And the Washington tip in Kiev is accepted for immediate execution. Therefore, the escalation of the conflict will continue until either the Donbass surrenders or becomes a fully-fledged independent state, capable of providing an adequate military response to threats to its security. In politics, only the strong is respected.
  9. BAI
    BAI 13 December 2016 11: 17
    +4
    Quote: Vad65
    Near Debaltseve, the "Buryat Boys" have already received a response from dill, and now only thermobars can be used to calm the dill, the Warsaw Pact countries have brought them weapons and ammunition ...

    I didn’t understand something. Who got into the boiler under Debaltsov - APU or militia?
  10. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle 13 December 2016 12: 02
    +6
    Quote: Vad65
    Donbass people were betrayed!
    Betrayed by a simple, without regret, who needs them?
    Kiev is NOT! Kiev wants to burn out the Donbass and populate it with moral monsters from Galicia.

    And from Russia, what do you want - to start a war with Kiev over the Donbass? Or go straight to Kiev?
    Quote: Vad65

    Moscow made a bloodbath for the population of Donbass and hid its head in the ground, like an ostrich in the sand !!!


    Can you give more details about this?
    Is it really Russia that shoots and shoots at the cities of Donbass?
    Quote: Vad65


    The salary is 2500-2700 rubles per month in the LPR, and the prices are at the Moscow level, live and enjoy ...

    Do you propose increasing salaries for citizens of another country? And at whose expense should the banquet be? Or Russia, as in the USSR, should increase the level of well-being of other republics and countries, tearing it away from its citizens?
    1. Vadxnumx
      Vadxnumx 13 December 2016 16: 37
      +1
      You can’t go to the toilet, don’t torment your ass ...
      Here is the answer to all your questions.
      If Girkin and his companions had not visited Slavyansk at the suggestion of his curators, then in the Donbas it would be cold and hungry now, as in the rest of Ukraine, but everyone would be alive. Cities and mining villages would be safe, mothers on both sides of the front would not mourn their children, but children of their parents.
      The bubble called "Novorossiya" burst, the South-East did not follow Donbass, so even Donbass was not properly defended !!!
      1. Hapfri
        Hapfri 16 December 2016 11: 25
        0
        then in the Donbass it would now be as in the rest of Ukraine, it’s cold, hungry, but everyone would be alive.

        Is not a fact. The American missile base would now be near Kharkov, and the naval base would be in Crimea. With a review of the entire security system. And trillions of expenses. Russia's decisive action stopped Obama.
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 13 December 2016 19: 28
      +8
      Quote: Flame
      And from Russia, what do you want-to start a war with Kiev over the Donbass?

      And you forgot that it was our president who, in March 14 = year, promised to protect the Russians, wherever they are.
      Donbass responded to this promise and rebelled, as it rebelled and the whole Southeast, all cities were in Russian flags. But He turned on the back.
      And now the question is, why are Crimeans better than the residents of Donbass.
      It may be that in the Crimea there is a cottage of Medvedchuk (walk what kind of character this is and what cottage there), which they wanted to take away from him after the Maidan.
      But the Donbass residents are worse in that the interests of the Russian and Kaklov’s oligarchs are related there (see who are the founders of the Alchevsk Met Combine and
      coal industry of Donbass)
      And the order not to take Mariupol is how?
      And sponsoring the junta with oil and gas, why?
      Donbass merged for the communist ideology and the promises of the leaders of LDNR to nationalize all industry. The red color of the Soviet flags acts equally on the oligarchic authorities here and there. And as soon as Mozgovoy began to conduct Skype dialogs with kuev and talk about who the true enemy is and Pasha Dremov to slow down coal trains going to Kallia and publish appeals to the Russian authorities on the Internet, their days were numbered.
      Quote: Flame
      And at whose expense should the banquet be?

      Here is the story, you are not worried about the fact that Colonel Zakharchenko has billions "under the bed", and another rank in shoe boxes - and at whose expense this banquet? At whose expense the most expensive OIs were conducted - this is without taking into account the corruption component. A spaceport East? And the stadium in St. Petersburg? These banquets at whose expense?
      Quote: Flame
      Or Russia, as in the USSR, should increase the level of well-being of other republics and countries, tearing it away from its citizens?


      Shl. on my own behalf, I say hello to "Miner", who is now valiantly fighting on the outskirts of Donetsk.
      Be alive Buddy, take care!
      1. AlexeyAlexey
        AlexeyAlexey 16 December 2016 09: 35
        +1
        Most of the pro-Russians in the spring of 2014 were in Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk already had fewer pro-Russians, and Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev and Dnepropetrovsk were already more pro-Ukrainian. It is better to keep silent about Kiev. And where will troops be entered, except for Crimea, if already in Mariupol, about 40% of residents support Svidomo.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 16 December 2016 10: 38
          0
          Yes, such a crap
      2. Hapfri
        Hapfri 16 December 2016 11: 29
        +1
        Donbass responded to this promise and rebelled

        So rebelled that throughout Russia volunteers and vacationers were collected so that they would fight for the rebels. They themselves could not collect two tens of thousands. How many millions live there?
  11. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 13 December 2016 12: 06
    +5
    Quote: BAI
    Politically, the population of Donbass is heterogeneous. Some want to Ukraine, others do not. It all depends on who wins. Time is playing on those who are against Ukraine. The more time passes, the more people learn to do without Ukraine, the more they will hate it. the process of rejection will be all the more irrevocable.

    They are all there! (on the territory of Ukraine, one cultural and economic environment) I know one of Slavyansk, when there was a city under the Dnieper, they offered him (did not mobilize), join the police, he thought it worth it, he sculpted constant excuses (I understand the family, and that's it this, but I would send it at once, say that I’m not on my way with you or I am on my own. I have a family, and so sideol was waiting for Putin to come, waiting for someone to take), well, he waited and now most likely also sits.
    there is no pity at all (maybe I am like that, but then I deserved such a life).
    a friend at work from Slavyansk (moved at 14) his wife goes there, she does not understand how they live there, if they go to Russia from Lugansk to earn money and LDNR is slowly being drawn into the ruble zone, then there it is. For them (I went nuts) 25000 rubles space money, but at the same time they hate the Russian Federation, and watch TV from morning to night about the warrior with us, but at the same time they take money from her and try to move to Russia. AS POSSIBLE, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND
    Who else calls Putin to intervene?
    I communicate with refugees from the Donbass, (I average and simplify) you compare with us, so we rushed forward in 25 years, and these are 90 years of habits and manners. Moreover, the early ones.
    Russia is not an angel either, but when politicians and citizens began to play adult games in Ukraine, they should have known that serious uncles in world politics do not give a damn about the interests of other nations, they defend and defend their business and their people.
  12. RRR
    RRR 13 December 2016 12: 55
    +5
    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    Putin has 140 million citizens whose interests he defends (and another 10 million people in one republic) who consider themselves awesomely independent

    OF COURSE - WHAT IS THERE SOME 10MILLION? BABS STILL INCREASE "...
    Type on the left let 5 million, on the right 7 million, and in the middle - tanks. Hatskranik reasoning am

    Here's another one; "They are all like that! (On the territory of Ukraine, one cultural and economic environment) I know one from Slavyansk, when there was a city under the DNR, he was offered (not mobilized) to join the police, he thought whether it was worth doing, he made constant excuses "...
    This is not a 3-day camping trip for you, but a war BEFORE THE END OF YOUR LIFE, that’s why people think not only about their daring, but about how their families will live without breadwinners.
    Watch Graham’s video about a poll of Rostov HATASKRAYNIKOV, then think what you wrote!
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 13 December 2016 14: 21
      +3
      Thought I wrote, thanks for the advice. I answer, we know what war is. and if your hut is on the edge, then you don’t have to wait for me to go to fight for you when your foreheads in Russia hide behind your wife’s sis. nothing personal, that’s why Putin does everything right, or you’ll either Putin or Europe come and fight, do it for us, otherwise I have children and I need to feed them.
      Quote: RRR
      This is not a 3-day camping trip for you, but a war BEFORE THE END OF YOUR LIFE, because people think not only about their own daring, but about how their families will live without breadwinners
      read carefully I would send right away, say that I’m not on my way with you or I’m on my own. I have a family, and I sat there waiting for Putin to come. waiting for someone to take.[B] [/ b]
  13. timgan777
    timgan777 13 December 2016 17: 45
    +5
    he will expect more Donbass bloody snot