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Media: French self-propelled howitzers show good results in Iraq

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The five CAN-S 155-mm self-propelled howitzers of the French army located at the Iraqi base Kayara-Zapadnaya are likely to be moved north closer to the front line, reports bmpd with reference to the newspaper L'Opinion.




“The explanation is simple: the CAESAR 155-mm / 52 cannon has a range of 40 km. Most of the centers of resistance of the Islamic State (banned in the Russian Federation), which were in reach from the Kayara-Zapadnaya base, are being destroyed, and the epicenter of the battle is shifting east of Mosul, at a distance of 65 km from the base. That is, the artillery must relocate, ”the author writes.



According to the newspaper’s source, the self-propelled howitzers and the French gunners themselves, who are part of the operational group Vagram, “are very impressive with their capabilities,” since they can “put a projectile from a distance of 40 kilometers within a meter from the target.”
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    1. svp67
      svp67 2 December 2016 15: 58
      +38
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      Now cheers patriots and turn around the French sau ....

      But you ran first and now I wonder why?
      Judging by the video, their work was not impressive, it’s understandable that the horizontal angle of fire is not large, that their base chassis is very stressed and it’s interesting how much it lasts, that after the shot the barrel is swinging, which reduces accuracy and rate of fire .
      because they can "put a shell from a distance of 40 kilometers in a radius of a meter from the target."
      I wonder what attempt? And what is required for this, what infrastructure?
      1. Temples
        Temples 2 December 2016 16: 00
        +3
        To Iraq to run far. Do not run a damn. laughing
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      3. veteran66
        veteran66 2 December 2016 16: 28
        +10
        Quote: svp67
        it’s clear that the horizontal angle of fire is not large

        where does this come from?
        Quote: svp67
        their base chassis is very stressed

        all the force of bestowal falls on the emphasis
        Quote: svp67
        after the shot, the barrel is swinging, and this reduces both accuracy and rate of fire

        What are you talking about? it’s not a machine gun, but a howitzer.
        Quote: svp67
        I wonder what attempt?

        no need to jerk
        1. svp67
          svp67 2 December 2016 16: 55
          +15
          Quote: veteran66
          where does this come from?

          Ordinary physics, it’s just going to overturn it. Show the video where they shoot with a deviation of at least 45 degrees to either side horizontally ...
          Quote: veteran66
          all the force of bestowal falls on the emphasis

          Can't you see how the base chassis bends and "sausages" at this moment? You are just looking in the wrong direction.
          Quote: veteran66
          What are you talking about? it’s not a machine gun, but a howitzer.

          I'm talking about the usual work of an artillery barrel when firing, but what are you talking about? Look at these "guns", they are rooted to the spot when fired

          Quote: veteran66
          no need to jerk

          Yes? And what will it be for me? After all, it is already clear that if in reality these artillery systems are capable of putting a projectile in a radius of 1 meter at a distance of 40 km, then the merit of these guns is only in the fact that they were able to drop it there, but accuracy, everything is on the bill. It is clear that it is ADJUSTABLE, so I wonder what they use for this? And what is the price of such a projectile.
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            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 2 December 2016 17: 58
              +8
              Quote: Sharapov
              Take a closer look, "expert" - only a cartridge case is sent into the barrel - and why would there be a recoil?

              Gee! lol There is such a thing-separate loading.
              Quote: Sharapov
              After a normal shot, the sleeve itself should fly out - and we clearly see how the guy opens the shutter with handles

              Well, as it were, the howitzer is not an AK-47. Depending on the design of the shutter, the loader has to work and handle ... request
              1. Sharapov
                Sharapov 2 December 2016 19: 10
                +6
                Quote: GSH-18
                Depending on the design of the shutter, the loader and handles

                Yeah, the dark forest on the forum ...... I will spend a short educational program.
                Piston locks, opened after firing manually, were widely used in the 40s of the last century. At present, wedge locks are used, the opening of which occurs automatically after a shot due to the use of recoil energy, simultaneously with the automatic extraction of the sleeve.
                Than write shnyaga, better keep silent ....
                And I am silent about separate loading, since unitary ammunition is used only in anti-tank artillery (MT-12 Rapira).
                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 2 December 2016 19: 14
                  +3
                  Quote: Sharapov
                  Yeah, the dark forest on the forum ...... I will spend a short educational program.

                  Pasiba Nenado lol
                  It’s better to see how the Coalition NE is charging, conduct your own educational program.
                  1. Sharapov
                    Sharapov 2 December 2016 19: 23
                    +3
                    Quote: GSH-18
                    Coalition

                    Zadolbali already a coalition. we are not discussing it here.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 2 December 2016 19: 55
                  +7
                  Quote: Sharapov
                  Piston locks, opened after firing manually, were widely used in the 40s of the last century. At present, wedge locks are used, the opening of which occurs automatically after a shot due to the use of recoil energy, simultaneously with the automatic extraction of the sleeve.

                  Do you know that the "Caesar" under discussion has a piston-type action?
                  laughing
                  It is necessary to be careful with the "educational programs".

                  1. Sharapov
                    Sharapov 2 December 2016 21: 30
                    +4
                    Quote: Spade
                    It is necessary to be careful with the "educational programs".

                    Manual shutters were discussed. Read the discussion.
                    Caesar has a piston-piston shutter. your amendment is off topic.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 2 December 2016 22: 08
                      +3
                      Quote: Sharapov
                      Caesar has a piston lock

                      And in the courtyard of the 21st century. Not the 40s of the last century.
                      1. Lexa-149
                        Lexa-149 4 December 2016 18: 06
                        +1
                        The use of a piston shutter in the guns is due only to the fact that they do not use cartridge case, but cartridge loading.
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 2 December 2016 21: 15
                +6
                Shooting goes idle. Save trunks resource during training. Accordingly, there is no recoil and the automation does not work (or rather, a semiautomatic device for opening the shutter when the barrel rolls back).
          2. veteran66
            veteran66 2 December 2016 17: 12
            +5
            Quote: svp67
            do not see how the base chassis bends and "sausages"

            I do not see, but what is "sausage" in the reference books did not find.
            Quote: svp67
            Ordinary physics, it’s just going to overturn it.

            how do you know, it is possible that for angles greater than 30 there are additional stops, and the video ..))) its absence is not yet an impossibility
            Quote: svp67
            what are you talking about

            and I'm talking about it on tanks and self-propelled guns
            Quote: svp67
            Yes? And what will it be for me?

            yes nothing will happen, sleep peacefully. Each country uses the kind of technology that can afford, most importantly, the final result.
            1. svp67
              svp67 2 December 2016 17: 52
              +7
              Quote: Sharapov
              Take a closer look, "expert" - only a cartridge case is sent into the barrel - and why would there be a recoil?

              Quote: veteran66
              and I'm talking about it on tanks and self-propelled guns

              Good. Let's see how they stagger here ... or they have single shells

              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 2 December 2016 18: 02
                +3
                At the window displays direct fire at a minimum charge shoot. Why shoot the barrel?
                Because these videos are not an indicator at all.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 2 December 2016 18: 13
                  +2
                  hi
                  Quote: Spade
                  Because these videos are not an indicator at all.

                  Well, since the artillery of the RVGK went into battle, then there is definitely nothing to do ...
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 2 December 2016 18: 17
                    +4
                    In its class "Caesar" is quite a normal weapon. Cheap and cheerful. Not ideal, but for that kind of money you shouldn't expect something "advanced".
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 2 December 2016 19: 45
                      +3
                      Quote: Spade
                      Cheap and cheerful. Not ideal

                      Here I am about the same ... That this French "garmat" is far from ideal. And sigh that she POSSIBLY once was able to lay a projectile, which is not yet clear, at a distance of 40 km in a circle of 1 m from the target, but you, hurray-patriots, do not have this. So I'll tell you what it is. We have "Geocynth" and no worse than "Caesar"
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 2 December 2016 19: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: svp67
                        at a distance of 40 km in a circle of 1 m from the target

                        This is pure lies.
              2. veteran66
                veteran66 2 December 2016 20: 15
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Let's see how they stagger here.

                From the 29th second to the 30th, even as they stagger)))
          3. behemot
            behemot 2 December 2016 17: 24
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            Look at these "guns", they are rooted to the spot when fired

            I reviewed it several times, at 8 seconds I see how a charge was placed in the barrel after a shot, the shell did not see. Therefore, it stands rooted to the spot. The law of conservation of momentum has not been canceled. Well, she doesn’t have a magazine load)))
          4. Indifference
            Indifference 2 December 2016 18: 36
            +7
            In the video, they’re just banging idle-there’s no rollback, the shell would go, the barrel would have rollback
          5. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 3 December 2016 23: 56
            0
            Unsuccessful video for an example, shooting without shells, idle!
          6. Lexa-149
            Lexa-149 4 December 2016 18: 02
            0
            You have posted a slightly incorrect video. "Trunks" are rooted to the spot only because they shoot "blank".
          7. Lexa-149
            Lexa-149 4 December 2016 18: 17
            0

            That’s how the gun jumps in reality.
        2. Serega86
          Serega86 2 December 2016 23: 56
          +1
          the French mean geyropa, hence the conclusion of their weapons is bad
          I understand the logic)
      4. es.d
        es.d 2 December 2016 16: 35
        0
        What ammunition ...
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 2 December 2016 16: 53
          +1
          Quote: es.d
          What ammunition ...

          Soft, brown ...
      5. Sharapov
        Sharapov 2 December 2016 16: 51
        +9
        Quote: svp67
        that their base chassis is experiencing very strong loads and it’s interesting how long it lasts, that after the shot, the barrel is swinging, which reduces accuracy and rate of fire

        Do not tell people, is it really not visible that there is no load on the chassis when firing (the wheels of the earth do not touch). Something like our D-30, only that trailed.
        For information, after each shot, the gunner's duty is to restore the sight, again aiming the gun at the aiming point and restoring the level. So, the "swinging of the barrel" in any way does not affect either the accuracy or the rate of fire.
        The sight is not restored only when shooting a quick fire - but this is clearly not the case.
        1. PPD
          PPD 2 December 2016 17: 01
          +1
          And the front wheels it does not rest on the ground? Who laughs whom ??
          1. Sharapov
            Sharapov 2 December 2016 17: 25
            +3
            Quote: PPD
            And she doesn’t lean on the ground with her front wheels

            During a shot, the load on the front wheels is minimal, the front even "throws up" a little, due to the presence of a "shoulder" between the exact support and the direction of the barrel rollback.
            So do not worry about the chassis.
            1. svp67
              svp67 2 December 2016 17: 55
              +3
              Quote: Sharapov
              During a shot, the load on the front wheels is minimal, the front even "throws up" a little, due to the presence of a "shoulder" between the exact support and the direction of the barrel rollback.

              Listen, you are talking about the same thing as me. The front throws up and the frame accordingly receives a BENDING load, or is it not? What is the argument?
              1. Indifference
                Indifference 2 December 2016 18: 44
                +4
                And when the kamazik rolls along the path, the wheels also bounce and if it is loaded, the frame also bends a bit, and that the machine went once and bobo - do not tell the people in the dump, people shoot at the video with an idle charge, the trunk has no rollback
              2. Sharapov
                Sharapov 2 December 2016 19: 21
                +8
                Quote: svp67
                and the frame accordingly receives a BENDING load,

                You must have finished the Termehsopromatfismat.
                I graduated from the artillery command school and to me even for bending, even for pulling load on ..at.
                The main thing is that the adversary was defeated.
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            2. PPD
              PPD 2 December 2016 18: 09
              +2
              You have a good opinion about a regular truck, in fact. The distance between the front wheels and the point where the gun itself is installed, what is it? The front throws up And?
              And freezes where tossed? This is not a gun carriage, this is a truck where instead of a crane the trunk was screwed.
              1. 1Markus
                1Markus 2 December 2016 21: 51
                +5
                Quote: PPD
                You have a good opinion about a regular truck, in fact. The distance between the front wheels and the point where the gun itself is installed, what is it? The front throws up And?

                Well, of course, now the French are "well, stupid"? It never occurred to you that even the ultimate load can be calculated and the frame can be reinforced, not to mention the fact that basic the load falls on the supports?
        2. svp67
          svp67 2 December 2016 17: 16
          +2
          Quote: Sharapov
          Do not make people laugh, is it really not visible

          You know, he laughs well who laughs without consequences.
          Quote: Sharapov
          that there is no load on the chassis when firing (the wheels of the earth do not touch).

          And where does one to the other? In fact, she stands with the front wheels on the ground. For me it would be better if she stood on all wheels, since what happens to the frame of the car, and it can be clearly seen how it Bends, well, it just won’t lead to anything good.
          It would be better to learn from the Swedes, and you can see how the "Archer" twists the frame and this is at SIX points of support.

          1. muhomor
            muhomor 2 December 2016 18: 13
            +1
            And the Swedes have a cool system! But probably a little expensive! fellow
          2. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
            Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 2 December 2016 18: 30
            +3
            From the video, it was not clear what it was the fastest: either in the rate of fire, or in the deployment speed, or in speed along the highway.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 December 2016 20: 07
              +2
              They mixed up with the previous Swedish SG, Bandkanon 1A


              That one really was a record holder for rate of fire. 14 shots in 45 seconds.

              But she fired at the unitaries. Therefore, even under pressure from lobbying structures, only 26 were able to be imposed on the military.
      6. AID.S
        AID.S 2 December 2016 17: 41
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        I wonder what attempt?

        Perhaps adjustable ammunition.
      7. kitamo
        kitamo 3 December 2016 09: 26
        0
        what kind of a howitzer with a long barrel of 52 caliber ... to go nuts ... they didn’t call them well with a mortar or mortar ...
    2. newcomer
      newcomer 2 December 2016 16: 00
      +7
      Well, why, good thing. our new self-propelled gun so far only on paper.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 2 December 2016 16: 42
        +4
        Quote: newbie
        Well, why, good thing. our new self-propelled gun so far only on paper.

        What's on paper ?? "SV Coalition" was demonstrated on the Victory Day anniversary on Red Square in real life. And this French barn on wheels is not a competitor at all!
        1. Sharapov
          Sharapov 2 December 2016 17: 15
          +4
          Quote: GSH-18
          this french barn

          This "shed" is already firing with might and main, while there are only 12 of the Coalitions so far, and they are still being "run in."
          Each weapon has its strengths and weaknesses, but it is necessary to discuss the one that is in the troops.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 2 December 2016 17: 25
            +7
            Quote: Sharapov
            This "shed" is already firing with might and main, while there are only 12 of the Coalitions so far, and they are still being "run in."

            Watch and be proud of:




            This French cart is still very far from a real Russian self-propelled gun yes
            1. Sharapov
              Sharapov 2 December 2016 17: 38
              +7
              Quote: GSH-18
              Watch and be proud of:

              I will definitely be proud when there will be 200 of them in the troops, but for now - running-in.
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 2 December 2016 17: 46
                +3
                Quote: Sharapov
                Quote: GSH-18
                Watch and be proud of:

                I will definitely be proud when there will be 200 of them in the troops, but for now - running-in.

                Whoa! And what, 200 units are already in use?
                On the good side of the Russian Federation, such a cool weapon as the "SV Coalition" and 100 units is quite enough for peacetime. The main thing is that the factories are always in good shape.
                The work is in progress. How many "Coalitions" we have now, no one will tell you, a military secret. But I know for sure that at the moment there are more than 12 of them in the troops.
                1. Sharapov
                  Sharapov 2 December 2016 18: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: GSH-18
                  "carts" are already used?

                  Yes, I guess, they were made 246.
                  1. GSH-18
                    GSH-18 2 December 2016 19: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Sharapov
                    Quote: GSH-18
                    "carts" are already used?

                    Yes, I guess, they were made 246.

                    And how many SPGs do we have? I think in total there will be more. And all of them in the class will be no worse than these custodian Shushpantserov.
                    But the "SV Coalition" is like the 5th generation in Aviation. Until the guardians pull for the 5th generation in artillery request
                  2. kitamo
                    kitamo 3 December 2016 09: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Sharapov
                    Quote: GSH-18
                    "carts" are already used?

                    Yes, I guess, they were made 246.


                    France - 77 units, as of 2012
                    Thailand - 6 units, as of 2012
                    Indonesia - 37 units ordered, as of 2012
                    Saudi Arabia - 132 units, as of 2012

                    they riveted these 200 guns from the mid 90s ...
                    we have Msta-s, which we started doing just five years earlier, only 600+ in the Russian Federation ... and also plus how many of them were exported in the former republics and generally ... so there’s no need to tell tales here .. .
                    Learn the materiel, well, or ask for a new training manual ...
                    1. Sharapov
                      Sharapov 3 December 2016 14: 29
                      0
                      Quote: kitamo
                      and also plus how many of them in the former republics and indeed it took for export ...

                      For France, and so much more than enough. She certainly will not fight alone.
                      And where you need to count 35 pcs. Msta-ukrohuntobanderovtsev?
                      Probably already for the NATO bloc?
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 December 2016 17: 35
            +5
            "Caesar" can be compared with 2C19. Are they enough, I think?
            1. Sharapov
              Sharapov 2 December 2016 18: 58
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              Caesar "can be compared with 2S19

              Yes, even mortars Petra1 compare.
              Only Caesar’s firing range is almost 2 times greater, and so - the flag in hand.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 2 December 2016 19: 45
                +4
                Quote: Sharapov
                Caesar alone has a firing range of almost 2 times

                Are you sure about this?
                I hope you are comparing correctly, 2S19 - conventional ammunition, "Caesar" - ARS?
        2. newcomer
          newcomer 2 December 2016 19: 39
          +5
          Well, actually the topic of the article is a howitzer on a wheeled chassis. in general, I had in mind our “Urals” who either accepted or abandoned them. Naturally, the Frenchman is not a competitor to our coalition of sv, revenge b. about the coalition of sv it will begin to arrive at the end of this beginning of the next year. what else can I tell you, this argument is not worth half a penny.
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 December 2016 16: 39
      +2
      According to the newspaper’s source, the self-propelled howitzers and the French gunners themselves, who are part of the operational group Vagram, “are very impressive with their capabilities,” since they can “put a projectile from a distance of 40 kilometers within a meter from the target.”

      Galim trijnezh for their lohopople! Do they use adjustable shells? No. For barrel artillery, such accuracy with conventional shells at such distances is not a priori achievable request
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 December 2016 16: 56
        +4
        Quote: GSH-18
        Do they use adjustable shells?

        Yes, there’s even no question, it’s clear that to achieve such a range and accuracy that YES.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 2 December 2016 17: 04
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: GSH-18
          Do they use adjustable shells?

          Yes, there’s even no question, it’s clear that to achieve such a range and accuracy that YES.

          The feathered shell, as it were, has a slightly shorter range compared to a conventional one from the same gun. Unless it has a jet engine to increase range request
          This product in the Western armies is far from 3 kopecks. I do not think that the custodians are hammering from morning to evening such BC on the Basmachi. Soon, the whole adjusted BC NATO will end lol
          It seems they are hammering with conventional shells. One of 20-30 hit, this is a high-precision shot! laughing
          1. svp67
            svp67 2 December 2016 17: 19
            +2
            Quote: GSH-18
            I think they hammer with conventional shells

            There is no reason to argue.
            Quote: GSH-18
            One of 20-30 hit, this is a high-precision shot!

            Most likely there was ONE, but a high-precision ammunition shot with this result.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 2 December 2016 17: 50
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: GSH-18
              I think they hammer with conventional shells

              There is no reason to argue.
              Quote: GSH-18
              One of 20-30 hit, this is a high-precision shot!

              Most likely there was ONE, but a high-precision ammunition shot with this result.

              drinks Definitely!
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 December 2016 16: 51
      +2
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      Now cheers patriots and turn around the French sau ....

      Self-propelled guns? belay The Basmachi of such self-propelled guns at xyotov xenova cloud ... was, before the arrival of the Russian Air Force in Khmeimim yes
    5. Olegovi4
      Olegovi4 2 December 2016 17: 53
      +2
      allergy to the word cheers? and you want to throw it on the fan?
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 2 December 2016 15: 57
    +2
    It is interesting to know the resource of the trunk in such conditions
  3. sabakina
    sabakina 2 December 2016 16: 24
    +3
    Such a long horseradish, sorry trunk and only 40 km?
  4. russmensch
    russmensch 2 December 2016 16: 41
    +4
    Damn, I watched the video 5 times. I wanted to see all the sights - to my surprise I did not see. At the 5th second, the bracket on the left seems to be sticking out, but there are no sights. It turns out that orientation to the sides of the horizon and guidance of the guns by range are carried out either via a radio channel from a command machine or I don’t even know how ... If a radio channel is used - the self-propelled guns khan during electronic warfare.
    1. marshes
      marshes 2 December 2016 16: 45
      +4
      Quote: russmensch
      Damn, I watched the video 5 times. I wanted to see all the sights - to my surprise I did not see. At the 5th second, the bracket on the left seems to be sticking out, but there are no sights. It turns out that orientation to the sides of the horizon and guidance of the guns by range are carried out either via a radio channel from a command machine or I don’t even know how ... If a radio channel is used - the self-propelled guns khan during electronic warfare.

      There in the cockpit of the OMS there is a topographic satellite reference and a ballistic computer.
      1. russmensch
        russmensch 2 December 2016 16: 57
        +1
        Satellite linking allows you to only exactly get to the selected position at the given coordinates. At the same time, it’s not at all a fact that the car will not stand aft towards the shooting. Therefore, it must be oriented to the terrain according to the countries of the world. The ballistic computer allows you to calculate the firing range (assign a sight) to the target, if, again, its exact coordinates are known. But she will give turns from the main direction of fire only if she manually enter the data. Therefore, as far as I know, the SLA a priori should be connected with a KShMka like the SOB machine. With each gun, having your own computer operator is probably a great luxury. Although everything is possible there ... Money is probably not counted. After all, we have a sergeant on all self-propelled guns. At the same time, he does not need to be able to work on computing devices. And there goes specially trained people there? And still interesting, and who adjusts the fire? Over 40 km breaks can not be seen. So there should be observers with communications nearby?
        1. marshes
          marshes 2 December 2016 17: 06
          +2
          Quote: russmensch
          As far as I know, the MSA is a priori connected with a KShMka like the SOB machine

          Previously it was, now everything is developing.
          Quote: russmensch
          Although everything is possible there ... Money is probably not counted.

          do not skimp, prepare for new wars.
          Quote: russmensch
          After all, we have a sergeant on all self-propelled guns. At the same time, he does not need to be able to work on computing devices. And there goes specially trained people there?

          A different approach to training, sergeant staff, for example, they study with us for three years — college level, the American method.
          And with the development of technology, only keystrokes are needed. smile By the way on the video there is a box with a monitor and remote control.
    2. svp67
      svp67 2 December 2016 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: russmensch
      It turns out that orientation to the sides of the horizon and guidance of the gun by range is carried out either by radio from the command machine or I don’t know how ..

      Have you noticed a bunch of different mechanisms? it’s clear that the control is either from the cockpit, then I don’t really envy them or KSHM.
  5. Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 2 December 2016 16: 47
    +7
    With 40km with an error of 1m ... For an unmanaged projectile this is simply impossible in principle. Managed?. Also unlikely. Most likely the journalist did not rewrite the zeros.
  6. Ardein
    Ardein 2 December 2016 16: 51
    +2
    But not cool - a range of 40 km? ...
    I can also believe that we are talking about an active-reactive projectile. And the "accuracy" is more suggestive of just a corrected projectile ...
    PS And there really are no optics ... but on the left there is a "console" under the visor. So the work of a corrected ammunition according to the transmitted target designation data (from a drone) with an ACS topographic reference is a more likely state of affairs.
  7. JonnyT
    JonnyT 2 December 2016 16: 51
    +4
    M-marketing. Hfransuzu make advertising
  8. Strashila
    Strashila 2 December 2016 16: 55
    +3
    And the terrorists don’t even guess what their wodercroissans are hammering ... they were impressed.
    1. marshes
      marshes 2 December 2016 17: 09
      +2
      Quote: Strashila
      And the terrorists don’t even guess what their wodercroissans are hammering ... they were impressed.

      Here on the site were photos of a tablet with a simple ballistic program for mortars, placed before a mortar shot.
  9. W1975
    W1975 2 December 2016 16: 57
    +1
    Not a roof from the sun, from precipitation, especially snow. In the area of ​​application, France, perhaps this is normal, in winter near Volgograd, the use of vryatli will be so rosy.
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 2 December 2016 18: 26
      +2
      "... in winter near Volgograd, the use of vryatli will be so rosy."

      What the hell should they do near Volgograd !? Let them shoot at Marseilles, even with precipitation, even without! We have nothing here ...
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      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 December 2016 19: 50
        +2
        Quote: Vz.58
        We will not give you weapons, fight with your "legendary"

        Are we asking?
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 2 December 2016 21: 18
          +1
          Quote: Vz.58
          Near Volgograd, Tsaritsyn? And what trunk will you fight for there? Are you going to start a civilian again? Can't you live without massacre?

          So this is also Stalingrad, and that's behind what trunk the Europeans flooded there at one time, you probably "from there" more understandable. So who then did not live without massacre?
          Quote: Vz.58
          We won't give you weapons, fight with your "legendary" ones.

          Yes, I know that it’s only legendary for the Russians, which helped to crush the products of Czech arsenal plants as well. And their weapons descendants, I think, will not shame the glories of their legendary grandfathers if some other union of European states wants to drink Russian vodka . Volga Voditsa will boil in booby throats. So we are in the know.
  10. Holoy
    Holoy 2 December 2016 17: 51
    0
    The Swedes have even better ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 December 2016 18: 11
      +4
      Worse. "Archers" are bad SPGs.
      Moreover, they are in another class. They should be compared with the German Donar, South African G6, Italian Porcupines, Yugoslav Danes and Serbian Susans.
      1. corporal
        corporal 4 December 2016 00: 10
        0
        Quote: Spade
        "Archers" are bad SPGs.

        Can you tell me why? hi The opinion of a specialist is very interesting.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 4 December 2016 11: 20
          +1
          Very small ammo in ammunition. It is impossible to carry out continuous fire on the enemy, required by the infantry, they will spend most of the time in battle on reloading sites.
          It also creates problems with the use of specialized projectiles. For example, you need to blind the target with smoke. Normal SPGs will complete a firing mission as soon as it is received. "Archers" will go to the loading platform, take out high-explosive fragmentation, load smoke and go to shoot. In NN minutes.

          That is, they created an expensive version of the MLRS with a large salvo time.
          1. Vladimir Postnikov
            Vladimir Postnikov 4 December 2016 16: 52
            0
            There is no perfection in the world. But, you have a "well-established tactic" of application and interaction. You fit Archer into it too. But Archers are designed for different tactics, which is quite natural.
            Yes, Archer will not be able to immediately support the smoke shell. And it's all?
            As for the first argument, why should they come in a crowd to one common fire room, and then in a crowd leave to the site for reloading. Archer will definitely have a different tactic of use. I assume that there will be a "carousel" with a constant change of firing position. Yes, Caesar is cheaper, but, all other things being equal, Archer is obliged to defeat Caesar in a hypothetical duel.
            Your experience is a valuable thing, but it is through your experience that you consider other systems. This is both an advantage and a certain disadvantage. And here I can only repeat that there is no perfection in the world. By the way, about the "usual tray", I answered you at the very end. The system refused to place it in the right place.
            And one more note: the reduced (taking into account the whole system) cost of the MLRS shot will always be greater than the reduced cost of the Archer shot.
    2. Vladimir Postnikov
      Vladimir Postnikov 2 December 2016 18: 47
      +1
      Quote: Holoy
      The Swedes have even better ...

      Here the issue of quality / price indicator.
      Lopatov, for example, is not interested in this indicator. He is only interested in quality. He is a soldier.
      For me, for example, this is an important indicator. I am an engineer.
      So it's a kind of "religious war".
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 December 2016 19: 47
        0
        For "price-quality" "Caesar" is better than "Archer".
        1. Vladimir Postnikov
          Vladimir Postnikov 2 December 2016 20: 30
          0
          Quote: Spade
          For "price-quality" "Caesar" is better than "Archer".

          I already know some of your priorities and preferences, so I guess why.
          But, you see, the Archers should be compared not with the ACS that you mentioned, but with the hypothetical ACS 2S35-1 ("Coalition-SV-KSH") based on Kamaz, which they still promise to make. If you are to be believed, "Petrel" is wasting money.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 December 2016 20: 53
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
            But, you see, the Archers should be compared not with the ACS that you mentioned, but with the hypothetical ACS 2S35-1 ("Coalition-SV-KSH") based on Kamaz, which they still promise to make. If you are to be believed, "Petrel" is wasting money.

            Namely, "waste money"
            Moreover, having a finished project, let's say, an improved "Caesar". It is also quite cheap, but with a loading mechanism. And just a giant transportable BC.
            1. Vladimir Postnikov
              Vladimir Postnikov 3 December 2016 00: 10
              0
              Quote: Spade
              but with a loading mechanism.

              With which? This diagram is not visible. I only see that the parts of the shot are located longitudinally. In Archer, both the loading mechanism and the parts of the shot are located in the swinging part. This ensures the reliability of the automation. There all subtlety in conjugation.
              It seems that in your scheme the loading is manual, as in the Caesar. Why is he better than Caesar?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 3 December 2016 09: 24
                0
                Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                It seems that in your scheme the loading is manual, as in the Caesar.

                According to the description, a semiautomatic device. But when using modular charges "Coalition" - a full automatic is not a problem

                Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                In Archer, both the loading mechanism and the parts of the shot are located in the swinging part. This ensures the reliability of the automation.

                Coordinator. Like on Msta-S and the Coalition. And no problem.
                1. Vladimir Postnikov
                  Vladimir Postnikov 3 December 2016 12: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  Coordinator. Like on Msta-S and the Coalition. And no problem.

                  None? Msta-S and the Coalition have ammunition in the turret. This means that only part of the problem has been solved, and the smaller one. But, with a tower. A similar solution is proposed for 2С35-1. In your diagram, I did not notice the turret.
                  So to make a complete and sufficiently reliable machine in relation to your circuit is a problem. And the bigger problem will be not with a modular charge, but with a projectile. Most of the problems are somehow solved. It all depends on the price of the decision.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 3 December 2016 12: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                    So to make a complete and sufficiently reliable machine in relation to your circuit is a problem.

                    No problem. A conventional manipulator with two degrees of freedom. Accepts a projectile from the ammo rack, brings it to the ramming line. It differs from the coordinator 2C19 and "Coalition" by the presence of one additional degree of freedom.
                    Two coordinators, charging and shell, will greatly increase the rate of fire.
                    1. Vladimir Postnikov
                      Vladimir Postnikov 3 December 2016 13: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      It differs from the coordinator 2C19 and "Coalition" by the presence of one additional degree of freedom.

                      This extra degree of freedom only in words is so easily achieved. In my futurological story back in 2004, I already mentioned manipulators (you read). In a manipulator with several degrees of freedom and in relation to the supply of a projectile, the gripper is the key. This is not the hand of man for you, where on 1 sq. cm of skin accounts for about two hundred receptors (sensors). Reliability and safety of the capture requires not only special gripping devices, but also special places of capture on the projectile, which must be provided for, and which will require constructive changes to the shells. With a mine easier. And you are right, for the charge you need another manipulator with its gripper.
                      If it is possible to create such inexpensive and reliable manipulators, then Archer will only have to smoke quietly aside. If a.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 3 December 2016 14: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                        In a manipulator with several degrees of freedom and in relation to the supply of a projectile, the gripper is the key.

                        There is no "grabber" there. An ordinary tray is enough, the projectile and charge in which is held by its own weight.
  11. svp67
    svp67 2 December 2016 17: 56
    +1
    Quote: Sharapov
    I will definitely be proud when there will be 200 of them in the troops, but for now - running-in.

    Judging by how many Armata BShs are brought to equip, there will soon be enough of them ...
  12. tanit
    tanit 2 December 2016 18: 06
    +3
    Yes, the comparison with the Coalition-SV is very competent. The French was introduced in 1994. Remind me what year is it now? And another question, why is it that there are only 5 French in Iraq that are so wonderful? request
  13. Shuttle
    Shuttle 2 December 2016 18: 08
    +2
    can "put a shell from a distance of 40 kilometers within a meter radius from the target."

    Uncontrollable projectile? Let me doubt.
    Or is it an expression from the category "... they may or may not put ..."?
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 December 2016 18: 31
      +2
      It may be useful to someone in a dispute:
      Nexter's CAESAR 155mm

      And another French division at CAESAR in Iraq:
      1. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 4 December 2016 22: 34
        +1
        ugly what
  14. SPACE
    SPACE 2 December 2016 19: 18
    +5
    I read the comments, it’s very funny to watch the kids disputes in the sandbox laughing
    I don’t understand, I want to ask a question. Are you with this French thing, where are you going to fight? Huh? laughing Maybe in a nuclear or large-scale war ??? I don’t know her TTX, and I don’t want to know, but when exposed to aviation and missile weapons, the court judges by the deployment speed and the form of this shameful picnic, she lives, in terms of aviation and satellite, counter-battery radio reconnaissance, with such mobility as a pregnant hypopatam, from forces five minutes or a couple of shots)))
    To clean terrorists leisurely, and the usual towed barreled artillery, more than for the eyes, I remember the footage of the battery -,,
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 December 2016 20: 05
      +7
      Just then, an article was discussed by several professional artillery officers.
      So someone else put himself out of the sandbox as a boy ... negative
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  15. svp67
    svp67 2 December 2016 20: 04
    0
    Quote: Spade
    This is pure lies.

    Eh, why are you so ... You are also a "hurray-patriot" ... So oh ... oh ... discussed the French garmat.
  16. Thompson
    Thompson 2 December 2016 21: 23
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    Now cheers patriots and turn around the French sau ....

    But you ran first and now I wonder why?
    Judging by the video, their work was not impressive, it’s understandable that the horizontal angle of fire is not large, that their base chassis is very stressed and it’s interesting how much it lasts, that after the shot the barrel is swinging, which reduces accuracy and rate of fire .
    because they can "put a shell from a distance of 40 kilometers in a radius of a meter from the target."
    I wonder what attempt? And what is required for this, what infrastructure?

    Within a meter, it’s simply unrealistic at any attempt !!!! If only the shells are not guided, which is not specified
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 December 2016 21: 32
    +4
    The storytellers are wooden. 40 km deviation meter! All my teachers of artillery science amicably turned over to ... At such distances, with Perfect training, Meteo and topographic location — God grant KVO 50 to get 50 meters. Without sighting - 200-300 meters. Well, if the ammunition is correctable by GPS, so where does the quality of the howitzer?
    Although I must say - the system looks elegant - but this is artillery, not designed for confrontation with an equal enemy, when the response arrives in five minutes, an unarmored system with an open crew is DOOMED. ACS of the "Coalition" type is, of course, much more expensive than such artillery trucks, but to defeat it requires a direct hit, and at the distance of counter-battery combat it is completely random. And such batteries "on wheels" are covered with high-explosive shells firing "across the area" in a minute and a half.
    1. 1Markus
      1Markus 2 December 2016 22: 04
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Although I must say - the system looks elegant - but this is artillery, not designed to confront an equal opponent,

      And in this case, who is she used against?
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      when the answer arrives in five minutes

      Why such confidence that the answer will fly? Again 150mm systems from which something can fly in how much and in what quantities? After a kilometer as pigs not cut?
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And such batteries "on wheels" are covered with high-explosive shells firing "across the area" in a minute and a half.

      where such confidence? or from the principle that all adversaries are complete stupid people and you are Dartanyans? wassat
      it all depends not on technical characteristics, but on the ability of all arms of service to interact, to say with confidence what will arrive or not? Well, the whole thing is down ...
  18. Mentat
    Mentat 2 December 2016 21: 58
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    Now cheers patriots and turn around the French sau ....

    But you ran first and now I wonder why?

    Pluses earn. Most of the “convicts of jingoistic patriots” are doing this, snooping around on topics and inserting into each hole the gag of their righteous denunciation of the vile ura-patriots.
  19. Ckyy
    Ckyy 2 December 2016 23: 55
    0
    it is clear to each "patriots" that our howitzers are the most howitzer-have no analogues in the world and in general we have invented the first howitzer: 3
    1. kitamo
      kitamo 3 December 2016 11: 37
      0
      Quote: CKyHC
      it is clear to every "patriots" that our howitzers are the most howitzer


      Do you even know what artillery howitzer is called?
      oh yes ... you are a skunk ...
  20. barbiturate
    barbiturate 3 December 2016 06: 42
    0
    in my opinion, not a very successful model of a self-propelled howitzer - there is no way to protect a naked crew, ammunition too, you can’t really automate loading (it’s semi-automatic here, shells and charges are delivered manually), a very limited shelling sector (-48 gr. + 48g)
    Here, the Swedish Archer here looks much more profitable and much more modern - the crew is protected during firing, loading is fully automatic and the fire sector is decently larger (-75gr + 75gr)
    The French have one plus, but reinforced concrete - the price is very attractive and the operating costs are lower.
    Well, the firing range is now almost the same for everyone, the weapons of all 52x are calibrated and are more determined by the projectile than the gun. The Dutch said bluntly, according to the results of using the German PzH 2000 howitzer in Afghanistan, that firing with an ordinary projectile at a range of over 20 km does not make sense - a very large dispersion, and after all this was called the best howitzer in the world by many.
    So, the price decides)
  21. Operator
    Operator 3 December 2016 14: 07
    +1
    Purely specifically branded French compromise / undershot - neither fish nor meat.

    If you drive slippers, then the towed Msta-B will be cheaper, if used in a combined arms battle, then the Msta-S or Coalition-SV will be more effective.
  22. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 3 December 2016 15: 22
    0
    Lopatov,
    Quote: Spade
    There is no "grabber" there. An ordinary tray is enough, the projectile and charge in which is held by its own weight.

    Then why did you mention the words manipulator?
    Is it all about the "regular tray"?
    Then success to anyone who wants to get by with an ordinary tray. He has the opportunity to wipe his nose Swedes in terms of quality / price.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 4 December 2016 20: 48
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
      Then why did you mention the words manipulator?

      Because it is a manipulator.
      After all, no one said that the working body of the manipulator must be seized.
      All that is needed is a pipe with an emphasis on one of the ends.

      Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
      Then success to anyone who wants to get by with an ordinary tray.

      Such systems are already operating at 2C19 and at the "Coalition"
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 5 December 2016 01: 42
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Such systems are already operating at 2C19 and at the "Coalition"

        We have already discussed this, that the ammunition on the 2S19 and on the "Coalition" fits into a closed rotating turret, which means it rotates with the turret. What does this have to do with the scheme you have given or with Caesar? This is a completely different design, moreover, open (dust, dirt, sand). Therefore, they gave preference to 2S35-1 (ie, the "Coalition") with a rotating tower to use ready-made solutions. You can make an automatic feed for the scheme you have provided. Definitely possible. I agreed with this initially. But the reliability of this scheme, its rigidity, will be questionable. The French have not yet automated their Caesar. What's stopping them? They could have done a longitudinal arrangement, as in the diagram, so that the shells would jump onto the "tray" from one "hole". Next is your manipulator with a tray. They are not in a hurry, however, for some reason.
      2. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 5 December 2016 02: 15
        0
        By the way, I would like to bring to your attention here such news that may be of interest to you:
        http://politexpert.net/18095-gordost-kamaza-unika
        lnye-gruzoviki-dvigatel-avtomobilestroeniya-rf
        Perhaps you already know. Maybe put the "Coalition" on this chassis? It's much better.
  23. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 4 December 2016 22: 27
    +1
    but I liked "genocide" more