Media: Strategic UAV RQ-4A Global Hawk. US Air Force appeared over the Donetsk region

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Ukrainian media today spread the message that the monitoring of the situation near the so-called line of contact in Donbass was carried out by the American drone RQ-4A Global Hawk. This is a long-range strategic reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle capable of operating at altitudes up to 18 meters (modernized models - up to 21 meters). Length drone - more than 13 m, wingspan - about 35 m, take-off weight - about 14 tons. Able to conduct reconnaissance to a depth of 300 km.

Media: Strategic UAV RQ-4A Global Hawk. US Air Force appeared over the Donetsk region




Портал "Correspondent" writes that the American strategic UAV appeared in the ATO zone in the morning of December 2 2016 and moved from north to south in the Donetsk region.

Based on the data from the portals that monitor the flights of various aircraft, we can conclude that we are talking about an unmanned aircraft with the call sign UAVGH000, taking off from the American military base Sigonella (Sicily, Italy). In the Ukrainian airspace he found himself, having entered from the side of Romania. His course ran over the Kirovograd and Dnepropetrovsk regions of Ukraine.

The Ukrainian media write with great enthusiasm that the functional depth of the RQ-4A Global Hawk exploration allowed him to “monitor” the Donbass right up to the Russian border and to the east.

Today, reports have come from Kiev that due to the “bad weather”, the planned activities for the second day of rocket firing have been canceled.
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  1. +1
    2 December 2016 14: 39
    I think if it’s true, then ours will answer tough today! This is already beyond the scope, again a provocation!
    1. +42
      2 December 2016 14: 42
      How hard is that? the last time we answered toughly in World War II. nothing ours will answer. Maximum concern.
      1. +4
        2 December 2016 17: 51
        To begin with, how can they answer? They themselves say that they do not have beeches, but with the help of MANPADS you can’t get there. They also don’t have airplanes to fly into the air) And Russia should not answer because Putin said that Donbass is part of Ukraine. Well, if part of Ukraine, then what are the claims that he sees there? If Russia does not throw a modernized beech there, then there will be no answer. And this UAV is not a strike, but a splitter.
        1. +5
          2 December 2016 19: 33
          Quote: Sagitta
          To begin with, how can they answer?

          You can try to "light up" it with the electronic warfare system, since we have a lot of them and all are advertised, so you can apply ...
          But in any case, the General Staff knows better what to do than to all of us from the sofas ...
          1. +1
            2 December 2016 19: 56
            In L / DPR there are no rebas) After all, they fight only on captured equipment, or has Russia already given them the equipment?
            1. +1
              2 December 2016 20: 28
              Quote: Sagitta
              In L / DPR there are no rebas) After all, they fight only on captured equipment, or has Russia already given them the equipment?

              There are design bureaus and factories for the development and production ... but there is no technology. What is it like?
              You at least wondered where you developed and produced them.
              - SE "Research Institute of Complex Automation" (SE NIIKA), Donetsk.
              - PJSC "Topaz", Donetsk
              - Research Institute "Kvant" Kiev
              - "Ukrspetstekhnika" Kiev
              - LLC "Radionix" Kiev
              - SE "Research Institute of Complex Automation", Kharkov
              1. +1
                2 December 2016 20: 41
                And can you name at least one electronic warfare that produced?
                1. +2
                  3 December 2016 04: 14
                  Quote: Sagitta
                  And can you name at least one electronic warfare that produced?

                  And he himself, unable to delve into the net and see what they offered before the start of the coup ... Do you need to poke your nose? Learn to work with the material, not just "troll"
                  1. +1
                    4 December 2016 00: 47
                    You also forgot to mention NPO Iskra in Zaporozhye. It was a very prominent enterprise under the Union. Everything that was produced in Ukraine before and after the coup is slightly modernized products of the 80s model range. And I do not need to work with "materials", since I know not by hearsay about the state of the Ukrainian "defense" radio-electronic industry. So you don't need to poke your nose. If you are interested, then delve into Ukrainian sites, there you will dig up "materials" and about "Martian" technologies in the service of "great Ukraine".
                  2. 0
                    5 December 2016 16: 33
                    They didn’t produce anything; there are no rebes who produced l / DNR.
            2. +2
              3 December 2016 00: 16
              Abkhazia will sell Donetsk. And electronic warfare and air defense and what else is needed. If the Americans do not calm down.
              1. +1
                3 December 2016 02: 41
                ahahahahaha Theory so that they themselves have already been blown away? I see you have come up with a new one. And how will they transfer this technique there? Probably space? Because all other options will substitute Russia ....
                1. +3
                  3 December 2016 04: 21
                  Quote: Sagitta
                  ahahahahaha

                  He laughs well who laughs WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. It looks like you are still studying and studying this ...
                  Quote: Sagitta
                  The theory with what they themselves have already blown away?

                  Who was "blown away" is the Armed Forces of Ukraine, together with the NSU ... And what, who made it, you will find out on the battlefield when you climb again.
                2. 0
                  3 December 2016 17: 38
                  They produce something themselves. Ammo, for example. I don’t know everything. Theories don't really matter. There is a practice. Since the USA and others help yours, then someone will help ours in the Donbass too.
            3. 0
              3 December 2016 12: 38
              Quote: Sagitta
              In L / DPR there are no rebas) After all, they fight only on captured equipment, or has Russia already given them the equipment?

              Officially or real? Officially - yes, they only fight on equipment that they seized or restored from warehouses in Ukraine. But something tells me that in reality things are a little different wink
              1. +1
                3 December 2016 14: 18
                We all know perfectly well who throws military equipment there) They say that this video was shot on the territory of Lugansk, st. Oboronnaya, 101 central bus station.
                1. +1
                  3 December 2016 17: 41
                  Thank you, encouraged. GDP, then, helps Donetsk. Although a little, but still not quite finished.
                  1. 0
                    3 December 2016 21: 44
                    Understand, sooner or later this is Russia’s aunt.
                    1. +2
                      4 December 2016 00: 55
                      This is already coming back to you. For the Bandera who fought in Chechnya. And for your military, who fought in Georgia.
    2. +23
      2 December 2016 14: 44
      Why a provocation? Gentlemen flew in the sky vassal

      the aborigines themselves called, they themselves met and themselves with enthusiasm painted everything in their media

      Independence

      This is a provocation from our bell tower. From their bell tower it’s

      So our not reconnaissance, but the most militant Tu-95 and Tu-160 Europe fly from time to time and only the General Staff knows what is on board

      And if you take into account the range of the Kyrgyz Republic of 5 km - then they are worried about the reasons for provocations, then more

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        1. +4
          2 December 2016 16: 05
          The fact that this is a scout, I will support you. However, this is not a provocation. Think about it, for two years the authorities of Khokhlogonia have been saying that Russian troops are on the territory of LDNR. Now they demonstrate to us what equipment they determine the presence of several tens of thousands of Russian troops.
    3. +11
      2 December 2016 14: 45
      What are you speaking about? What provocation? Flew into the airspace of Russia? Not.
    4. +12
      2 December 2016 14: 51
      For reference:
      Radar with synthetic aperture manufactured by Raytheon, it is designed to work in all weather conditions. In normal mode, it provides a radar image of the terrain with a resolution of 1 meter. During the day, an image can be obtained from the area 138,000 km2 at a distance of 200 km. In point mode, a region of 2 x 2 km size can be captured over 24 hours in 1900 hours with 0,3 resolution. Using the Doppler effect, a radar can accompany a moving target if its speed is over 7 km / h.
      Hughes's day-to-day digital optical camera provides high-resolution imaging. The sensor (1024 x 1,024 pixels) is paired with a telephoto lens with a focal length of 1750 mm. Depending on the program, there are two modes of operation. The first is scanning a strip 10 km wide. The second is a detailed image of a 2 x 2 km area. For night images, an IR sensor (640 x 480 pixels) is used. He uses the same telephoto lens. The lens can rotate up to 80 degrees
      Global Hawk is integrated into existing tactical aerial reconnaissance systems (flight planning, data processing, operation and information dissemination). It is connected to the systems: the Integrated Intelligence Support System (JDISS) and the Global Command and Control System (GCCS). The resulting images can be transferred to the operational commander for immediate use. The data obtained from the UAV are used for target detection, for planning shock operations for reconnaissance, and also for solving other tasks.
      1. +34
        2 December 2016 14: 53
        chic bird with chic filling. right already enrages

        1. +3
          2 December 2016 15: 27
          Quote: c-Petrov
          chic bird with chic filling. right already enrages

          There is simply no order to carefully land at the airport of Crimea request
          Well, I don’t really need to, one of ours has already been exponentially planted, and the Americans have naturally departed into a hard refusal! However, David Deptula confirmed this. Yes
          This means that the keys are selected and that we will soon have similar birds!
        2. +8
          2 December 2016 15: 35
          It’s not yours, so you are mad wassat drinks
          1. +3
            2 December 2016 16: 36
            exactly)
        3. +5
          2 December 2016 17: 32
          Quote: c-Petrov
          chic bird with chic filling. right already enrages

          Well, it’s very well digestible for our Krasukha-4 ... another question is that it wasn’t used, because this UAV did not fly into our airspace, but I believe Krasukh’s calculations were ready.
          1. +2
            2 December 2016 23: 45
            Quote: NEXUS
            Well, it’s very well digestible for our Krasukha-4 ... another question is that it wasn’t used, because this UAV did not fly into our airspace, but I believe Krasukh’s calculations were ready.

            The issue is not neutralization. The question is when we will have such.
      2. +4
        2 December 2016 15: 04
        So let them see the Russian troops in Donbas and Poroshenko personally, and with him they will provide "irrefutable" evidence!
      3. +3
        2 December 2016 15: 07
        They write to you:
        What are you speaking about? What provocation? Flew into the airspace of Russia? Not.

        And you are a reference in response. Troll?
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    5. +8
      2 December 2016 14: 56
      This is the second time in two weeks, as the previous time is parallel to the front. Apparently they are gathering new information for the new US president.
    6. +5
      2 December 2016 15: 24
      The Ukrainian media write with great enthusiasm that the functional depth of the RQ-4A Global Hawk exploration allowed him to “monitor” the Donbass right up to the Russian border and to the east.
      Today, reports have come from Kiev that due to the “bad weather”, the planned activities for the second day of rocket firing have been canceled.

      This is the type, so as not to bring down this drone ?? lol And then later in his account will have to sell the whole Nezalezhnaya! laughing
    7. +2
      2 December 2016 16: 13
      Quote: Samaritan
      I think if it’s true, then ours will answer tough today! This is already beyond the scope, again a provocation!

      And to what actually answer something? The drone was in the airspace of Ukraine. So to speak, at the invitation of the government, it is square.
      1. 0
        3 December 2016 04: 09
        I look forward to the election of the socialists at the helm of the Germans.
        As soon as this happens, hohlofashistam - PPC.
        Svidomo creatures will be distributed in the cells during the day.
  2. +8
    2 December 2016 14: 42
    Today, reports have come from Kiev that due to the “bad weather”, the planned activities for the second day of rocket firing have been canceled.
    The "bad dancer" always gets in the way ... Either the serviceable missiles have run out or they have to change the plan of the exercises along the way, because something went wrong with them ... generally approach the launchers of air defense systems, so that on December 2 no one would shoot down their UAVs
    The Ukrainian media write with great enthusiasm that the functional depth of the RQ-4A Global Hawk exploration allowed him to “monitor” the Donbass right up to the Russian border and to the east.
    Yes, the Ukrainian media, as well as politicians, live their own lives and in their own world ... And the fact that this flight will not remain or remain "unanswered", I certainly will not believe.
    1. +13
      2 December 2016 14: 47
      the commanders seemed to say that drones would play the role of anti-aircraft targets?
      did they mean this? laughing
      Well, the Americans and hedged ...
  3. +1
    2 December 2016 14: 43
    The gun against the Drones is a pity it does not work
    1. +3
      2 December 2016 16: 30
      But maybe another - with an EMR charge))
      ... though the electronics of the drone will be full of kirdyk))
  4. +4
    2 December 2016 14: 45
    Can't you drop it "accidentally" ?!
    1. +7
      2 December 2016 14: 48
      Quote: B.T.W.
      Can't you drop it "accidentally" ?!

      You can drop it, but it would be better to put us on the airfield ...
  5. +4
    2 December 2016 14: 46
    Admittedly, the thing is worthwhile. They are watching, but the borders of the Russian Federation are recognized in fact. Interestingly, but they risk flying over the DPR? There’s nothing to bring down officially.
    1. +2
      2 December 2016 14: 47
      over the DNI and LC it’s like you can’t fly and use UAVs

      1. +4
        2 December 2016 14: 59
        Quote: c-Petrov
        over the DNI and LC it’s like you can’t fly and use UAVs

        And you can in more detail from this place ...
        This unit does not need to fly in, it’s enough to fly along the border and the map is already certain.
    2. +4
      2 December 2016 14: 54
      Quote: AID.S
      Interestingly, but they risk flying over the DPR?
      This UAV did not even enter the airspace of Donetsk and Lugansk regions:
      His course ran over the Kirovograd and Dnipropetrovsk regions of Ukraine.
      1. 0
        2 December 2016 15: 36
        You quoted UKROSMI request Are you seriously???
        1. +3
          2 December 2016 15: 48
          Quote: Samaritan
          Did you quote UKROSMI Are you serious ???

          This is a quote from THIS article, based on site data for flights of various aircraft.
      2. 0
        2 December 2016 15: 38
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        This is the second time in two weeks, as the previous time is parallel to the front. Apparently they are gathering new information for the new US president.
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      4. +1
        2 December 2016 16: 35
        Quote: svp67
        This UAV did not even enter the airspace of Donetsk and Lugansk regions:
        His course ran over the Kirovograd and Dnipropetrovsk regions of Ukraine.

        So it seems further in the article:
        The Korrespondent portal writes that the American strategic UAV appeared in the ATO zone on the morning of December 2, 2016 and moved from north to south in the Donetsk region.
        1. +2
          2 December 2016 17: 05
          Quote: AID.S
          So it seems further in the article:

          Do you know what they have included in the ATO zone? The eastern regions of the Dnepropetrovsk and Kirovograd regions are definitely included there ...
    3. +1
      2 December 2016 15: 13
      Seriously, such a machine, and unofficially over the DNI there’s nothing to shoot down .. this device is gaining up to 21 km if necessary ...
      1. 0
        2 December 2016 15: 24
        Quote: igorka357
        such a machine, and unofficially over the DNI there’s nothing to shoot down .. this device is gaining up to 21 km if necessary ...

        And? belay At 21km and the S-300, and even more so the S-400 will bring down. request
        1. +2
          2 December 2016 15: 39
          Quote: Vladimirets
          AND? At 21km and the S-300, and even more so the S-400 will bring down.

          It’s not economically justified, comrade .. missiles also cost a lot of money. And if he didn’t enter the airspace of LDNR (which, in general, he doesn’t need) - so, give an extra reason for the geyropers to screech?
          These scouts around us curl constantly, an ordinary event ..
        2. +2
          2 December 2016 16: 35
          So this is understandable, but ... you want to say that it’s not officially hidden in the DPR ... well, even if the S-300, don’t tell me, such a complex would have been detected very quickly, by the same global ... This is not stationary silent, which until it works is practically invisible, because this is a complex that is moving, the complex is quite large, with a fairly serious service base, and besides, it needs to be deployed somewhere, so no ... there’s nothing like that ..
          1. 0
            2 December 2016 17: 33
            Quote: igorka357
            .you want to say that in the DNI is not officially hidden well ... at least even the S-300

            No, I don’t want, you wrote it
            Quote: igorka357
            and unofficially over the DNI nothing to bring down

            So I say that it is theoretically possible to knock down "unofficially".
            1. 0
              3 December 2016 08: 09
              But not over the territory of the DPR, since there is not even a s-300 there ... what a pun you are pushing me, neither theoretically, nor practically over the DPR, and from the territory of the DPR, you can’t bring down the global, if only from another territory! In principle, it’s not possible, since the Americans will immediately spot it!
    4. +4
      2 December 2016 15: 15
      And there is also a comrade mentat, and so he can tell you that this thing is bullshit, and not only this one, but raptors and preitheurs are also bullshit, and that Russia doesn’t need such a fuck, I just got tired of arguing with him ..))
      1. +2
        2 December 2016 15: 17
        Well, apparently all this described by him is not "necessary bullshit" is much inferior in performance characteristics to his personal sofa.
        1. +2
          2 December 2016 16: 39
          Nah, everything is much simpler ... he quite seriously explained to me that Russia had long stepped over UAVs and now focused on heavy unmanned flying platforms, but simply unmanned battleships of the generation 18 +++++ ...))), well there are such fools on the site ..
          1. 0
            2 December 2016 21: 38
            is not "Meehan" a case? ))
            1. 0
              3 December 2016 08: 07
              Mentat his nickname ..))
  6. 0
    2 December 2016 14: 49
    No matter how Ukrainians themselves dropped this bird near our border and then they will say that we are from Buka.
    1. +1
      2 December 2016 14: 57
      So, that’s why the shooting was canceled.
    2. 0
      2 December 2016 14: 59
      It would be nice...
  7. +1
    2 December 2016 15: 24
    Most likely, the intelligence of the forces and means of the Russian Armed Forces flies up to the border, and as far as I am informed, this bird sees far and high quality and transmits data to the "center" .... removes the technical capabilities of our detection equipment, well, plus the video for Ukrainians will be filmed in the DPR
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  9. 0
    2 December 2016 15: 33
    Based on data from portals that monitor the flights of various aircraft, it can be concluded that we are talking about an unmanned aerial vehicle with the call sign UAVGH000, which took off from the American military base Sigonella (Sicily, Italy).


    Where is Russian monitoring as a party interested in resolving the conflict? Or will we be silent?
  10. +1
    2 December 2016 15: 35
    Monitoring of the situation at the so-called contact line of the parties in the Donbass was carried out by the American drone RQ-4A Global Hawk.
    Well, let's hope that the "Voentorg" for the LDNR "was lying around", in case of something, a suitable air defense system for this "dove of peace".
    1. +2
      2 December 2016 15: 50
      Quote: avia1991
      Well, let's hope that the "Voentorg" for the LDNR "was lying around", in case of something, a suitable air defense system for this "dove of peace".

      Experienced people say that there are a couple good
      1. +1
        2 December 2016 15: 58
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Experienced people say that there are a couple
        Great! So, when the need arises, they will pull out the "feathers" of this bird wassat
        Glad to see on the fields of "couch battles"! drinks
        1. +1
          2 December 2016 16: 17
          Quote: avia1991
          Glad to see on the fields of "couch battles"!

          Greetings to my Dear Friend! drinks
          Now on the sick-list and yesterday’s show it made me jump on the combat sofa again laughing
          1. +2
            2 December 2016 16: 59
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Now on sick leave

            Hope nothing serious?
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Yesterday's show made me jump on a combat sofa again

            Is that that? They are now all day .. you can already get confused wink
            1. +2
              2 December 2016 17: 44
              Quote: avia1991
              Is that that? They are now all day .. you can already get confused

              with the main performer wink
      2. 0
        2 December 2016 16: 15
        Knowledgeable .... hang noodles! There are only the Strela-10 air defense missile systems - with an altitude of 3500 and a range of 5000.
        1. +1
          2 December 2016 16: 51
          I ordered that
          Francis Gary Powers also flew, but there is always a reinforced concrete bolt on any tricky nut.
          Although it should be noted that the drone is really traveling. hi
        2. 0
          2 December 2016 17: 01
          Quote: VadimSt
          Competent .... hang noodles!

          Don’t worry so much, buddy!
          They are not directly on the territory of the LPNR, this is true. They are "in the Voentorg warehouse" ..
  11. 0
    2 December 2016 15: 38
    not the first time flies
  12. +2
    2 December 2016 15: 38
    Yes, it’s a pity you can’t steal such a thing, otherwise it would be possible to disassemble it and copy it, otherwise our defense industry, unfortunately, cannot create one from scratch.
    1. +3
      2 December 2016 16: 09
      Yes, it’s direct, it cannot) We do planes somehow, rockets ... The task will be set - they will do it, others will simply have priorities ... And on the other hand, if you look, if the same tasks can be solved by existing means, is it worth it funds in the development of an analogue. Moreover, IMHO, it’s normal against the Papuans where there is no means of struggle, and that this wunderwaffle will show a question in the conditions of electronic warfare and in the sight of air defense, I personally do not believe in any significant results.
    2. +5
      2 December 2016 16: 33
      Even if you steal and disassemble, then reproduce from your components, the technology will not allow. Only take ideas and technical solutions. A copy does not work.
      1. 0
        2 December 2016 18: 10
        Quote: andr327
        Even if you hijack and disassemble, then reproduce from your components, the technology will not allow. Only take ideas and technical solutions. A copy does not work.

        The ideas are good, but you can probably design something from the Yak-130 in a fairly short time, if you throw away the excess, make the UAV no worse than the American one. Well, or from other gliders existing, because in fact UAVs are the same KR, only with the possibility of landing and replacing the filling.
        1. +1
          3 December 2016 04: 26
          Will not work.

          In order to make such an apparatus, a state program is needed, and for this, the Ministry of Defense must develop a communication concept, and for this, people and finances are needed.

          It seems that people have finances, but something is missing ...
  13. 0
    2 December 2016 17: 25
    So this is the unit cost of this device - not very frail. It seems like 215 million, and not rubles. It is unlikely that I would fly where they can "land".
  14. 0
    2 December 2016 18: 39
    Quote: Sith Lord
    This is the second time in two weeks, as the previous time is parallel to the front. Apparently they are gathering new information for the new US president.

    I'm afraid not for the new, but for the old. The Americans have been actively transporting ammunition to Europe for a year now, they have brought equipment, now two ships with infantry and aviation crawled into the Mediterranean Sea, everything needs to be considered in the complex. They are preparing very seriously for large-scale hostilities. Where - it is clear, Ukraine, the only question is when. Most likely before the inauguration of Trump.
  15. 0
    2 December 2016 19: 54
    Often adversaries. This is not the first flight in the direction of Donbass.
  16. 0
    2 December 2016 20: 41
    Quote: Kosmotoga
    How hard is that? the last time we answered toughly in World War II. nothing ours will answer. Maximum concern.

    Well, O-0-0 are very toughly worried.
  17. +1
    2 December 2016 23: 10
    It is not good that he flies there. As expected, military contacts between the United States and Ukraine are therefore not limited to instructor support and the transfer of weapons. So, Ukraine provides its airspace for this unhealthy drones. After all, they can regularly conduct reconnaissance to a depth of several hundred km. Periodically remove for comparison the entire general situation in our western border area or precisely maintain control over a long period of time over the most interesting site.
    If in the zone the so-called Anti-terrorist operation will be secretly seconded to the Amer. Specialists as military advisers, then they can deploy and use a ground-based system for receiving data from this intelligence officer. information on the deployment and maneuvers of the militias. This can all be very useful for the Ukrainian army during relative lulls, and during the escalation of the war, such support can be simply invaluable.
    This is provided that the sources do not lie and he really flies there periodically.
    1. +3
      2 December 2016 23: 32
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      So Ukraine provides its airspace for the operation of this zelo harmful drone.

      So the use of Ukrainians as cannon fodder against Russia, and its territory and airspace as a large military base, was the goal of the United States. For the sake of this, the Maidan was conceived.
      1. +2
        3 December 2016 00: 00
        I, too, always believed that the "rotten revolution" is not quite a standard "orange revolution", but because of the special position of Ukraine in relation to Russia, a standard episode of NATO's advancement to the East, but leading America and Russia to another more complex round of confrontation .Ukraine is being swayed like a ram, blindly. And there are considerable benefits from the promotion of NATO influence and infrastructure on Ukrainian soil.
        It's just that I somehow missed that the Hawk was flying there, I thought that if it was used, it would be in a lower class in the Black Sea Fleet area. And they go out not only at the fleet, watching with their curious eye.
        It used to be simpler, but now such gigantic volumes of interesting information are thrown out to a simple person, which you can’t keep track of.
        1. +1
          3 December 2016 03: 03
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          And the benefits of advancing the influence and infrastructure of NATO on Ukrainian land are considerable.

          And they would not even directly take Ukraine into NATO. This would lead to the fact that NATO, albeit formally, had some obligations towards Ukraine. Why should they bear obligations?
          They will simply de facto use its territory and airspace without incurring any formal obligations.
          This is very dangerous. For example, it allows their planes to freely enter to attack Moscow with cruise missiles from a distance of less than 500 km.
          This factor alone indicates the need to necessarily fight for the elimination of American domination in Ukraine.
  18. +1
    4 December 2016 01: 16
    Quote: Albert1988
    Quote: Sagitta
    In L / DPR there are no rebas) After all, they fight only on captured equipment, or has Russia already given them the equipment?

    Officially or real? Officially - yes, they only fight on equipment that they seized or restored from warehouses in Ukraine. But something tells me that in reality things are a little different wink

    I understand that our PATIENTS are waiting. when the Americans begin to give dill lethal weapons. For the Tomsk taiga should be cleaned and freed from 50 thousand units of armored vehicles standing there in storage. With such a quantity quite suitable, no supplies due to puddles can be compared. I need a reason .... I really need it.
  19. +1
    4 December 2016 22: 38
    sorry that did not have time to intercept