US classified data on the fall of "Phobos-Grunt"

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US classified data on the fall of "Phobos-Grunt"The strategic command of the United States of America, which is responsible for the control of outer space, removed from its specialized Internet resource all information about the fall of the Phobos-Grunt interplanetary station in the Pacific Ocean. As reported by RIA "News“This fact caused experts to be perplexed, because until now the US military had done nothing of the kind.

The US strategic command on the specialized Internet resource SpaceTrack constantly publishes data on launch dates, parameters of the orbit and the entry into the atmosphere of spacecraft and their debris. In particular, TIP messages are laid out by specialists on the site - forecasts of the timing and location of the satellites falling, and then the final calculated coordinates.

However, the standard practice with the case of the Phobos-Grunt station has been changed. The reasons for this change are unknown. The first TIP message was published on the website in late December. In it, the south-west of Afghanistan was indicated as a point of fall, while the time variation for entering the atmosphere was 11 days. But soon this message was removed from the site, and the new updated data did not appear.

"Phobos-Grunt" in the forecast section of the fall of the spacecraft appeared in January, just before the fall, but unlike in similar cases, the exact dates and coordinates of the fall site were not indicated. The corresponding column indicated only the time range from 16: 59 to 17: 47 GMT (20: 59 - 21: 47 Moscow time) January 15. The fall of "Phobos", according to the Russian military, happened over the Pacific in 21: 45.

In addition, the site also published a note that information regarding the Russian station is published in a format that differs from standard recordings.

The administration of the site to the question of journalists in connection with which the information about "Phobos" is given in an incomplete form, gave a very concise answer: "This information was deleted at the direction of the manual."

Data on the range of terms of the fall of the station "Phobos-Grunt" is currently removed from the site, you can see only the date of the fall, as well as the latest known parameters of the orbit of the device.

At the same time, SpaceTrack contains accurate data on the place and time of the fall of other spacecraft, for example, the Russian "Cosmos-2176".

Some commentators have been surprised by such selectivity. "Apparently, this contradicts the policy proclaimed by the US government to exchange data on the situation in outer space, and also undermines the efforts of the State Department and NASA to interact with other countries and society in matters related to the fall of the apparatus," safe world world washington fund spaces brian widen.

The expert could not name the reasons that forced the US military to remove information about Phobos-Grunt. However, RIA Novosti reports that this story takes place against the background of statements from Russia, as if the cause of the accident was the emission of American radars placed on the Kwajalein Atoll. Independent experts and NASA denied this version.

The Phobos-Grunt AMS (automatic interplanetary station) is the first Russian station in 15 years, intended for the delivery of soil samples from the Mars satellite. Phobos-Grunt launched on the night of November 9 from the Baikonur cosmodrome. But the station's propulsion system did not turn on, in connection with which the device did not enter the flight path to the Mars satellite. As a result of the accident, "Phobos-Gruntu" instead of 34-month odyssey for more than two months just flew in near-earth orbit.

January 15 station wreckage fell into the ocean.
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  1. +1
    24 January 2012 08: 22
    This is called - END - IN WATER!
  2. and1975
    +3
    24 January 2012 08: 27
    and I already hoped for the truth from them wink trouble .....
  3. +4
    24 January 2012 08: 29
    Quote: and1975
    and I already hoped for the truth from them troubleaaaa

    Wake up, dear! When did you hear the truth from yous? It's not in their rules - to admit your own meanness!
    1. and1975
      +4
      24 January 2012 08: 37
      esaul it was sarcasm sir smile
      1. 0
        24 January 2012 09: 01
        Quote: and1975
        esaul it was sarcasm sir

        I get it, buddy, and my answer sounds ironic! Regards, Esaul.
  4. Igor
    +9
    24 January 2012 08: 30
    Nehr..n was sawing ships to control outer space.
  5. +1
    24 January 2012 08: 30
    something is still not entirely clean at Pindos!
  6. Owl
    +1
    24 January 2012 08: 55
    I am beginning to believe in practicing the use of "weapons on other physical principles."
  7. 0
    24 January 2012 09: 15
    Of course, the work of the Americans ... we would need to prepare a decent response with their devices in orbit ...
  8. +7
    24 January 2012 10: 23
    I do not understand the tantrums. why complain to the whole country that the Pindos shot down our satellite, we now have to go to America or to catch the Americans in their streets and beat them in the face for our satellite. a strong country does not make a fuss, but quietly finds an adequate answer, knocks down a couple of Pendos satellites, and then smiles quietly without comment.
    1. marauder
      +1
      24 January 2012 10: 40
      Quote: core
      knocks a couple of pendosovskih satellites, and then smiles quietly without comment


      Correctly knock off pido spy satellites, but in the face you still need to give.
      1. Igor
        -1
        24 January 2012 11: 35
        Quote: Maroder
        Correctly knock off pido spy satellites, but in the face you still need to give.

        And how are we going to shoot them down?
        1. 0
          24 January 2012 11: 49
          With the old spent satellites, we move them out of the orbit trajectory and wait for a "random" collision.
          1. Igor
            -3
            24 January 2012 12: 07
            Soon their space-borne unmanned pepelats will have rockets, and they will train on our old satellites. So offer another option.
        2. axmed05
          +1
          24 January 2012 16: 52
          We must ask our scientists to come up with such an electromagnetic crap, and use it smile
        3. ISO
          ISO
          +1
          25 January 2012 10: 52
          At one time, ours accurately measured the distance to American astronauts. As a result of the measurements, the amers blew out, and when they looked at the devices, they crap - the electronics went crazy. We smiled sweetly but categorically refused to admit - well, we didn’t expect such an effect, otherwise they would have pressed it and the ends in the atmosphere would have burned !. So they return the favor to us. And our installation in the dashing 90s, at the request of overseas "friends", was cut into nonferrous metals for the Chinese industry. And now we threaten open space with a naked dick.
    2. 0
      24 January 2012 16: 02
      Offset!
      But I think they will not dare ............... piss
  9. Strabo
    +1
    24 January 2012 12: 18
    I am surprised at the helplessness of Ros Cosmos, everyone hopes for help from America or someone else. After all, it is understandable - each for itself. Well, launch tracking satellites for your offspring. Well, create a ship so that it can take its broken satellites from orbits, and strangers too. And all information unilaterally classified as Amerekosy. And everything will be fine.
    Re-program a pair of Amerekin satellites so that they are not comfortable or are so behind that we only look through binoculars. No other technique?
  10. +1
    24 January 2012 12: 48
    Yesterday the Sun sent us a super-powerful hello. Today he will successfully reach us. They say that a magnetic storm will rage for two days and lightning will shine beyond the Arctic Circle. And on Thursday, 26.01.2012/3/14 at XNUMX am, we launch the Progress M-XNUMXM transport cargo vehicle with the Soyuz-U launch vehicle. Doctors say that hypertensive patients may suffer. How secure is the electronics of spacecraft? Are the doctors working on this?
  11. 0
    24 January 2012 13: 52
    In the fall of "Phobos" it looks like Uncle Sam's snout is "in fluff" !!!
  12. VALENOK
    0
    24 January 2012 14: 00
    Next time, ours will need to shove an additional 1500 kilograms of trinitrotoluene into this satellite, so that if there is still a desire for pendos to bring down our satellite over its territory, then at least there will be a surprise.
  13. +4
    24 January 2012 14: 16
    American dancers always interfere with a bad dancer.
    Over the 2011 year, there were 5 unsuccessful launches of Russian spacecraft, almost every seventh launch. This has not happened for a long time. And the reasons must be sought in Roscosmos, and not blame the Americans, aliens, devils, etc.
  14. 755962
    0
    24 January 2012 14: 20
    Recall a case from our history. In 1962, the United States embarked on a beam weapons program. His tasks, types were defined, technical specifications were developed. A total of $ 1,2 billion was allocated for the program. The Soviet Union responded at the end of the 60s with the creation of a powerful Terra-3 laser locator that continuously monitors satellites in low Earth orbit. The locator was installed in the area of ​​Lake Balkhash. The characteristics of “Terra-3” significantly exceeded the performance of radio systems. A major step was taken to create a system for repelling the threat of an attack from orbit. The Americans had nothing of the kind. In 1983, USSR Minister of Defense D.F. Ustinov (perhaps impressed by the hot speeches of Western politicians) ordered to test the Balkhash radar with minimal radiation power on the manned Shuttle, which was done.

    In April 1984, the Challenger commander STS-41C reported to NASA: “When flying over the Balkhash Lake area, there was a noticeable malaise of crew members, on-board equipment failures, and radio communications failure. Upon leaving the specified area, communications and crew health were restored. I consider the reason for the intense radiation from the Earth. ”That's about ...
  15. +2
    24 January 2012 16: 25
    Amer removed all the information for a simple reason - Phobos revolved more than a thousand times around the Earth, and no one, not us, the USA, could predict where and when it will fall. And where does the ABM ask you? So I have a question, if no one could accurately determine the coordinates of the station’s fall for such a time, then how can a warhead that doesn’t even maneuver and an ordinary blank can be intercepted, while the maximum time limit is 30 min? You can certainly say - the question is not where it will fall, but where it is flying now. But then the second question is - where will it be in 5 minutes? And if you know where she will be 5 min, then why can’t I know where she will be in 2 weeks. It seems to me therefore that they removed all the information, too many uncomfortable questions caused the fall of Phobos.
    1. +1
      24 January 2012 16: 53
      Exactly Ost you are right, it was ours that he was specifically dropped on the ground to test the effectiveness of the American missile defense system, and the Americans have classified documents as they understood that "Kuz'kina's mother is not a phobos for you !!!!"
    2. 0
      24 January 2012 20: 20
      warheads fly along a suborbital ballistic trajectory. the fall area is approximately known :) the problem of intercepting such a goal was solved in the USSR around the 60s developing the predecessor A-35. Of course the warhead there was atomic; kinetic interception is much more difficult, but also practically achievable.
      phobos flew along an orbital path and because of the irregular shape it is very difficult to calculate the drag in the upper atmosphere and the area of ​​incidence. all the same, it was not a warhead and the mission was originally different. so the error in the coordinates of the fall is not significant.
      I'm not special, but the reasons for hiding information are different. maybe roskosmos is right ...
      1. +1
        24 January 2012 23: 11
        Prikolenko, an orbital trajectory of irregular shape! What is it like?
        In 60, as far as everyone knows, it was a nuclear interception that was designed to destroy a warhead with a nuclear explosion in a radius of several kilometers. And this is at the end of the trajectory, where it was known exactly in which radius the warhead was supposed to fall. It only remained to accurately calculate when, in time, to launch a missile defense. For this, all early warning radars are needed, no matter how it flies, it is important where and most importantly when a warhead will arrive.
        It was worth introducing into the equation only one unknown, and the task became impossible. And this is unknown - to calculate the location of the launched Phobos in real time. In this case, all launch data were known, but of course no one expected that it would fall to Earth. Applying the conditions to the missile defense problem, we have a launch, for example, from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to a distance of 8,5 thousand km to America. The warhead drop zone is half the US territory. The flight path is unpredictable. Time to solve the problem - 30 min. The interception is kinetic. The task is much more complicated than with Phobos. Even if you use thousands of missiles. And to admit it is to close the missile defense program. The laser theme on missile defense was closed - and if they close this one ... Money however ...
        That's why there is no information, there is none and there is no problem.
        1. 0
          25 January 2012 10: 07
          my mistake - had in mind the irregular shape of the object.
          maybe amers removed the info due to the fact that this data can reveal their approaches to the analysis of parameters of objects with a changing trajectory.
          comparing the initially published data and the difference with the actual coordinates of the fall, you can determine the parameters of target tracking systems and trajectory prediction. as a result, one can evaluate the effectiveness of their systems for intercepting a maneuverable object.
          It seems to me that in essence the descent of the phobos from orbit is somehow an analogue of a (slowly) maneuvering warhead.
          a possible reason to remove the info, although in all probability I am wrong.
  16. Sleptsoff
    +1
    24 January 2012 17: 41
    If it really was the Pindos who shot down the Phobos, then first of all we must blame our intelligence, which should have known about such plans, since such things are unlikely to be accepted overnight.
  17. suharev-52
    +1
    24 January 2012 19: 16
    The classification of data on Phobos-Grunt means that the people are not talking about something. Whether there is US wine or not, only a narrow circle of specialists can know. And we, only make assumptions. But as the ancients said, "everything is secret when it becomes apparent." So I think it's worth the wait. The truth will be revealed to us too.
  18. 0
    24 January 2012 21: 26
    all the same, these s * uki had a hand ... am
  19. 0
    24 January 2012 22: 00
    S.U.K. And they completely lost their fear. Of course it is necessary to answer. And if there is nothing? I suggest so. At each launch of the satellite to give disu. supposedly there are engines on the satellite or station for correcting the orbit and acceleration working on plutonium. And calculate the orbit so that in case of a fall the station would be above the pindostan. 100% will be put into the pants. The problem will disappear. We will win the time and you will see that something us will appear.
  20. 0
    24 January 2012 22: 54
    .. grab already drive about the American hand ........ To listen to you so we have American spies everywhere and it harms everywhere from housing and communal services to space
  21. smoke
    +1
    24 January 2012 23: 18
    ha ha and whether there was a boy. Why are you like little ones, I beg you, 4.5 mln were laundered so they were probably shared with the Busurmans (they were silent for a while), and the Accounts Chamber will look for legs, since the cut-off is very deep. The main enemies are not beyond the hill or beyond - they are now here in Roskosmos. It’s good when there is a scapegoat for all occasions fellow - and the goats in any situation must first search for roofing felts at home; roofing felts do not grow from there; intelligence does not work on roofing felts; money laundering goes on and on. sad
    1. jamert
      0
      24 January 2012 23: 46
      Hello ... It has long been clear that businessmen from outer space are more interested in loot than real development. wink
  22. 0
    24 January 2012 23: 40
    Yes, they all fooled it! They don’t need competitors in space !!! 20 all fell apart for years, and then suddenly they decided to launch a satellite to Mars !!! It's not so simple in our world !!! As a space power we they are not interested !!!

    Yes, they loved all of them! They don’t need competitors in space !!! If they sank our Kursk, what can we say about the satellite !!!
  23. Lyp
    Lyp
    +2
    25 January 2012 00: 18
    At one time we had specially built ships, the so-called naval command and measurement complexes. And they were intended for communication with space vehicles, as well as receiving telemetry out of radio visibility from the territory of the USSR. Look at them. Now from this wealth only "Marshal Nedelin"
    1. +1
      25 January 2012 18: 28
      For your information:
      In November 1988, the Marshal Nedelin CIC participated in the unmanned flight of the reusable Buran spacecraft.

      The trouble came along with great socio-political changes in the state. Based on Soviet plans, the ship became in current repair at the Dalzavod. Planned ordinary ship repair: diesels, navigation equipment, measuring complex partially planned to update computer technology, but nothing revolutionary. In December 1990, the officer meeting wrote a letter to the Minister of Defense of the USSR D.T. Yazov, in which extreme concern for the ship was expressed. Everything turned out to be in vain, the USSR Ministry of Defense did not even respond by sending a small commission or an inspector. For two months the ship was kept on the roads of Vladivostok, where the crew survived the first reforms of Prime Minister V. S. Pavlov, then was put to the wall of the Dalzavod. It was quickly dismantled, and then it turned out that the Pacific Fleet had no money. This was the beginning of the end of the great ship, pr. 1914. The ship was not repaired, but it did not disassemble. In 1996, during the wind, he piled on the TFR standing on board, the deck equipment was broken. Due to unresolved issues on the ship, he became just a hindrance in b. The Golden Horn and it was removed in b. Ulysses, and then sold to India for cutting.