Ruyan Island - the sacred center of Slavism

“The island of Buyan in the sea-okayane is where the Kamen-Alatyr is white and flammable (hot) lies, the ancient Pradub is uncovered and powerful, seven heavens pierce, Irii props up”

It should be noted that in the sources of the early Middle Ages, you can see two regions that are associated with "Rus", "Dew", "Rus". This is the region of the southern state center of the Slavs - the Don, the Dnieper and the territory of the Western Slavs - the Slavs-Vends (Varangians). In this article we will cover the topic related history Russ Central Europe.

According to a number of German and Eastern (Arab and Persian) sources, Slavic merchants (“guests”) called themselves “Rus”. So it is reported by the Persian geographer Abul-Qasim ibn Hordadbeh, the author of the Book of Ways and Countries. According to most researchers, the work was compiled in the period from 846-847 - to 885-886 years. Ibn Hordadbeh reports that the Rus are one of the Slav tribes. Ibrahim Ibn Yacoub (10 century of our era), a Muslim of Jewish origin, reports that the Ruses attack Prussians from the west. And the Prussians are a Baltic-speaking people who in the 9th-18th centuries inhabited the territory of the modern Kaliningrad region of Russia, part of the Lithuanian Klaipeda district and the Polish Warmian-Masurian voivodship.

Such sources as the Danish chronicler Saxon Grammar (about 1140 - after 1208) were placed in the region of residence of the Slavs-Vends, Rus, the Polish Latin-language document relating to the 990-992 years “Dagome Judex” - informs about the place of Russe adjacent to Prussia, North German chronicler Adam of Bremen (died after 1081 of the year), the author of the “Acts of the Bishops of the Hamburg Church,” wrote that the Prussians border on the Rus. There is information about this in other sources as well, in the thirteenth century papal bulla Russia is located between Slavia (the land of the Pomeranian Slavs) and Prussia.

Interestingly, this information is indirectly confirmed by later Russian sources, as in the "Tale of the Princes of Vladimir" it is reported that Rurik came from the Prussia region.

Some sources refer to the "island of the Rus". The Persian scholar and encyclopaedist of the 1 of the 10th century, Ibn Ruste, in his work Dear Values, reports that the Ruses live on an island surrounded by sea (lake), they are ruled by the Khakan of the Ruses, and they use ships for attacks. It is reported that "healers" are so respected that they can command the king. This fact clearly indicates the island of Ruyan (Rugen), where one of the most important sacral centers of the Slavs was located - the temple-city of Arkona. It is reported about their belligerence: they are "brave and courageous, and if they attack another people, they do not lag until they completely destroy them." In addition to war, the population of the island is engaged in trade. This news is fully correlated with the image of the Vikings.

Interesting and the title of ruler Rusov - Khakan. This is an imperial title, in the East this word designated the czar-priest, the sacred sovereign who combined administrative functions with spiritual authority. Later also called some of the great princes of Kiev-Novgorod Russia. German documents of that time were called "kings" only by two rulers of Slavs - the ruler of the great Novgorod-Kiev Russia and the owner of a small island off the coast of the Baltic Sea. The rulers of the Czech Republic and Poland were called "princes."

Ruyan Island inhabited the Ruian tribe (rugov, wounds). Confirms the fact of the identity of the Rus-Varangians and the Rus of Old Russia and the fact that the medieval Germanic documents regularly call the Eastern (Kiev) Rus - rugs. And the inhabitants of Ruyan are often called ruthen-rusami, and their country Rusia-Rutenia. The most important shrine of the Slavs - the temple of Svyatovit (Sventovit) - was located on Ruyan. A third of all of their war booty was given to the temple. The temple of the four-faced god was located in the city of Arkona, in the sanctuary, besides the idol, there were sacred things - a bridle, a saddle and a huge battle sword and shield, as well as a village. The village was called the holy banner of Svyatovit, and carried before the army in a campaign or battle. Arkona was the main center of divination, believed that Sventovit gives the most accurate predictions (analogue of the ancient Greek Delphic oracle). Gifts to the temple were not only from Ruyans, but also from pilgrims and entire tribes, lands of Slavs, even foreign rulers. The temple was defended by a sacred squad of 300 knights on white horses ("white squad"). There selected the best warriors of the Slavic lands.

The island of Rugen-Ruyan consists of chalk rocks covered with lush vegetation. Tourists who come here often go to look at the majestic white cliffs. According to legend, in order to confirm his title and the right to power, the future King of the Rus (Khakan) had to rise from the foot of the cliff to the top from the side of the Varangian Sea. The sacred white rock of the “Island of the Rus” seemed to claim the sacred right to power with its unshakable grandeur. Apparently, the memory of the “white stone of Alatyr” has been preserved in the Russian tradition since that time. The northern tip of the island of Ruyan (Buyan Russian fairy tales) far issued into the Baltic Sea. A cape with steep chalk cliffs in ancient times was called Arkona. This word is translated as "white mountain" (from ind-euro. Ar, arya - "white, noble" and horse - "mountain").

With Rurik and other Vikings-Rus, part of the traditions of the Arkonish cult was preserved in Eastern Russia (the conventional name, like "Kievan Rus", the Rus themselves called their land - "Russia", "Russian land"). So, apparently from the Arkons and more widely of all the Western Russian lands, such images came as: a white warrior warrior in Russian epics and fairy tales, bringing victory and success to his master and at the same time possessing the properties of an oracle prophet giving clues to the host; the heroic “sword of kladenets” mentioned in the heroic epic; magic bridle (horse Svyatovita); horseshoe on the door to scare away evil spirits (symbol of the white horse Svyatovit); White horse character in the rite of Kolyada. The language of characters in the epic series about “Ilya of Murom” shows the transfer of power, the sword to the Russian hero Ilya of Murom (Perun) from Svyatogor (Arkonsky Svyatovit), etc. From there, the stone-combustible Alatyr Stone, which is regularly remembered in Slavic plots, came.

The idea to invoke from the island of Ruyan-Rus, where one of the main shrines of Slavism was located, the rules of "Khakan", the tzar-priest, the ruler, is quite logical. The citizens of Gostosmysl could well turn to their Western brethren on this issue. In addition, there is evidence that Rurik was the grandson of the ruler of Sloven - Gostosmysl, the son of his daughter Umila.

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[Sokol peruna]

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"It should be noted that in the sources of the early Middle Ages you can see two regions that are associated with" Rus "," Dews "," Rus. "This is the region of the southern state center of the Slavs - Don, Dnieper and the territory of the Western Slavs - Slavs-Vendians (Varangians) In this article we will touch upon a topic related to the history of the Rus of Central Europe.

According to a number of German and Eastern (Arab and Persian) sources, Slavic merchants ("guests") called themselves "Rus". This is what the Persian geographer Abu-l-Qasim ibn Khordadbeh, author of the "Book of Ways and Countries", reports. According to most researchers, the work was compiled in the period from 846-847 - 885-886. Ibn Khordadbeh reports that the Rus are one of the Slavic tribes. Ibrahim ibn Yakub (10th century AD), a Muslim of Jewish origin, reports that the Russians are attacking the Prussians from the west. And the Prussians are a Baltic-speaking people who in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries inhabited the territory of the modern Kaliningrad region of Russia, part of the Lithuanian Klaipeda district and the Polish Warmia-Mazury voivodeship "

Instead of taking information from foreign sources, which is usually the seventh dialect in the eighth ears, our official historians would go better to the Old Believers. After all, they are the custodians of knowledge of pre-Christian Russia. But no, our official historians are not looking for easy ways, preferring to collect fables from distant lands than to take the truth under their feet.

[Makhalych]

Quote: Sokol Peruna

Instead of taking information from foreign sources, which is usually the seventh dialect in the eighth ears, our official historians would go better to the Old Believers.

Woo. Better yet, ask around the grannies on the benches at the entrances. Also tell, those more "stories".

[подводник]

But what about the Old Believers, write if you know (very interesting)

[Sokol peruna]

Look here briefly here.

http://energodar.net/vedy/kalendar.html почти в конце.

Or better, first read the book by Andrei Sklyarov The Inhabited Island of the Earth or watch his films. Link http://lah.ru/master.htm

[Strabo]

Well written. You can only add K "The title of the ruler of the Rus is also interesting - Khakan." Or rather, Kagan. This is where the name Kaganat comes from - i.e. united states. Or the State, the head of which bore the title of kagan, that is, the king. As you know, the Horde is a purely Russian word. But they keep telling us that these words are of Turkic origin.

[viva_cuba]

Well, yes :))). The first kogans are mentioned in 402 on the territory of modern China. Then there was no Rus' as current, not like emperors there

[xorgi]

Not a very good article.
First, a large range of centuries from the eighth to the twelfth is taken. That is fundamentally wrong, given the enormous transformations over this period.
Secondly, Ilya Muromets (a hero of epics of the Christian period, according to modern ideas, a real historical character) and Perun (the supreme deity of the pre-Christian period) are confused.
In general, the interpretation of the epic about Ilya Muromets and Svyatogora, from my point of view, is incorrect. I believe that the cycle of epics about Prince Vladimir is a story about general mobilization, when peasants (Mikula Selyaninovich), clergy (Alyosha Popovich), noble estates (Dobrynya Nikitich), "of limited fit" (Ilya Muromets) were called up for military service. The handing over of the sword by Svyatogor - this shows the training of people unfamiliar with the military craft by veterans (symbolic handover of the sword). The goals of this epic can be different: a call-up campaign (this is in modern terminology), a historical narrative about an event, or a fairy tale about social unity.
As for the words mentioned by the author of the article (Alatyr stone, Buyan island), as far as I know, there is not even a generally accepted decoding of the meanings of these words.
The data of Ibn Rusta are also contradictory, since he could have in mind both Oleg’s campaign on Constantinople and the attacks of the Bulgars, which were not considered Rus.
Dear Sokol Peruna, unfortunately the Old Believers are not the custodians of knowledge about pre-Christian Russia. Since it was the official church before the split (that is, in fact these are the current Old Believers) that persecuted the Gentiles. I also want to note that to date, of the families of Old Believers with whom I personally know (we have a lot of Old Believers), none have oral legends about pre-Christian Russia. That is, it is possible that somewhere someone has it, but this is not a common legend.

[Sokol peruna]

SW xorgi
Do not confuse the Old Believers and Old Believers.

[Petrol]

Sokol Peruna Today, 14:04 do not be distracted by comments xorgi Today, 13:58 this person is far from understanding "the root of the natures of our people who are not familiar with the knowledge of the truth", better recommend him to start with deciphering Vasnetsov's paintings or Roerich's paintings after familiarizing himself with the symbols of "all-world literacy" then you can ... well, nakraynyak with chudinov's lectures ...

[Ascetic]

You can still read Nosovsky and Fomenko, although in my opinion the conclusions about the origin of the Tatar-Mongol yoke are quite controversial. The most plausible version of the situation of the Rus in Europe seems to be theirs.
the traces of their stay in Europe are so thorough, the Rus have such a deep history on the European Peninsula that they can be deleted from there only with the whole history of Europe. Since they were not short-term conquerors there - the hypothesis of Nosovsky and Fomenko, they originally lived there. The territory of Europe is one of the ancestral homelands of the Russian ethnic group. Rus gave most of European toponymy
In addition, the Russians themselves did not leave Europe, but were supplanted, partly assimilated (having lost faith, language, memory) or destroyed. This process was started around the middle of the first millennium AD. The Rus ("barbarians") crushed the rotten Rome, the Roman Empire, but after that the war against the civilization of the Rus was led by the "Christian" (from Christ there is little left) Rome. This war combined direct hostilities, “divide and rule” diplomacy, informational, ideological warfare. Slavs were pushed together, turned into slaves of the Lord, created from them new "Romanesque" and "Germanic" nationalities, as a result, after a year and a half thousand years of war, the Russians were driven out of Europe.
The Western historical school prefers not to see Russians in Europe: not to notice the problems of Venetian-Vened, Etruscan-Rasen, the so-called "Ancient Germans" who have almost no relation to modern Germans, etc. This is understandable, you just have to start and have to unwind a whole ball, reveal the true history of Europe, where the share of "Italians", "French", "English "," Germans "will only last 5-7 centuries, and all that was previously related to the history of the Slavs, Rus

[Petrol]

exhaustively ... thank you!

[Sandov]

Plus an ascetic, artifacts confirming this hypothesis are still found in Europe. Catholics destroyed all memory of the past of Europe and continue it now.

[Makhalych]

Quote: Benzin

better recommend him to start by deciphering Vasnetsov’s paintings or Roerich’s paintings

You can also do fortune telling on the coffee grounds, or learn by reading the "secret signs" in the drops of rain flowing down the glass.
Some kind of pinterest.

[xorgi]

Wow, then maybe you can explain the differences to me?

Old Believers - - a common name for the followers of Orthodox Orthodoxy after the church reform carried out by Nikon (1653-1656). They are also called Old Believers. They opposed innovations, for the preservation of old rituals (hence the name). Protopope Avvakum, I. Neronov, F. Morozova and others were adherents of the "old faith". The Old Believers fled from persecution to deep forests and often went to self-immolation in the name of the old faith. From the beginning of the XVIII century. government persecution of Old Believers softened somewhat.

Old Believers
Old Believers, too, that the Old Believers (see).
Brockhaus and Efron Dictionary

STAROOBYADTSY (STAROVERY) - the general name of the followers of religious movements in Russia, which emerged as a result of church reforms carried out by Patriarch Nikon (1605-1681). The S. did not accept Nikon's "innovations" (correction of liturgical books, changing rituals), interpreting them as anti-Christ. Sami S. preferred to call themselves "Old Believers", emphasizing the antiquity of their faith and its difference from the new faith, which they considered heretical.

At the head of S. was Protopop Avvakum (1620 or 1621 - 1682). After the conviction at the church council 1666-1667 years. Avvakum was exiled to Pustozersk, where after 15 years, and was burned by royal decree. S. began to be severely persecuted by the church and secular authorities. Self-immolations of the Old Believers began, which often took on a mass character.

At the end of the XVII century. S. divided into priests and bespopovtsev. The next step was the division into numerous consents and explanations.

In the XVIII century. many S. were forced to flee outside Russia, fleeing persecution. This provision was changed by a decree issued in 1762 and allowing the Old Believers to return to their homeland. Since the end of the XVIII century. two main centers of the Old Believer communities were distinguished - Moscow, where the bespopovtsy lived in the territory adjacent to the Preobrazhensky cemetery, and the priests - to the Rogozhsky cemetery, and Petersburg. At the end of the XIX century. the main Old Believer centers of Russia were Moscow, with. Guslitsy (Moscow region) and the Volga region.

In the first half of the XIX century. increased pressure on the Old Believers. In 1862, the Belokrinitskaya hierarchy condemned the idea of ​​the accession of the Antichrist in its "District Epistle".

During the years of Soviet power, S. continued to be persecuted. Only in 1971, the anathema of the Old Believers was removed by the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church. Currently, S. communities are located in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic countries, South America, Canada, and others.

Literature: Molzinsky V.V. Old Believer movement of the second half of the XVII century. in Russian scientific and historical literature. SPb., 1997; Ershova O. P. Old Believers and Power. M, 1999; Melnikov F.E. 1) Modern requests to the Old Believers. M., 1999; 2) A brief history of the Old Orthodox (Old Believer) church. Barnaul, 1999

Summary: both of these are currents of the Orthodox Church, the differences between them are insignificant, and all the more so they have nothing to do with pre-Christian Russia.

[Sokol peruna]

But Old Belief and Old Believers are completely different concepts. Old Faith means the coming of a new faith. Did Patriarch Nikon introduce a new faith in the Moscow kingdom? Not as there was a Christian faith, so it remained. Nikon changed only the ritual part (the Baptism was not two fingers but three, the Name of Christ is Jesus and not Jesus, during the church rituals the Old Believers walk in the sun, the Orthodox - against the sun, the Old Believers use seven prosphora, and not five, as in official Orthodoxy) and changed the attribute of faith, introduced a four-pointed cross instead of the eight-pointed Old Orthodox among the Old Believers. Therefore, one cannot call the Old Believers Old Believers.

[xorgi]

Sorry, I use the term in accordance with the standard dictionary, if someone means a term with a different meaning, then let him defend his dissertation and introduce a new meaning. For these purposes, there is a special science of terminology.
I have given you the meanings of terms indicating the sources. Please indicate your sources.
If this is your own understanding of these terms, then reasoning about the subject is meaningless.

[Makhalych]

I read comments and dumb simply.
In my opinion, a little more, and the "dark ages" await us :-)))
Such ignorance, and the complete absence of thinking, comparing, thinking logically. The horror that people have in their heads !!!
Especially this is fun:

Quote: Ascetic

The most plausible is their version of the position of the Rus in Europe.
the traces of their stay in Europe are so profound, the Ruses have such a deep history on the European Peninsula that they can only be crossed out with the whole history of Europe.

What are the "traces" dear ???
At least a few scientifically confirmed evidence, and not nonsense Fomenko and Co., and all Petukhovs, Chudinovs and other mudvinov. Which at the time with tambourines by the fires to dance. Since they are as far from science as Earth is from Alpha Centauri. :-))

Or this:

Quote: Ascetic

The Rus ("barbarians") crushed the completely rotten Rome, the Roman Empire,

Atilla was also Russian or something ??
Here is the complete ..

Now I smell the minus fly. Yes FSU, however.
Guys, learn materiel, teach if you want to know something.
And then, tambourines in hands and forward, jump around the fire. :-))

[Ascetic]

An unexpected blow for traditional historians, who struck them outright, was the sudden announcement of the results of genetic research, which, starting from the end of the 20th century, suddenly began to be carried out by a large number of universities in the world in order to find out who is who on our planet. According to these studies, the genetic Y-haplogroup R1a, which is a marker of white Caucasians, is present in an unprecedented concentration among the Indian population. At the same time, in some northern regions of India, the percentage of R1a goes off scale for 70%, exceeding that of the overwhelming majority of European peoples themselves! The only place on earth where the content of the R1a haplotype in the population is comparable to that of the Indian population is the geographical region where Belarus, Northeastern Poland, Northern Ukraine and the extreme west of Russia, represented mainly by the historical Belarusian territory - the Smolensk region, lie. Given the fact that haplogroup R1a is still the dominant haplogroup of the Slavs, appearing first in the north, which, by the way, directly contradicts the generally accepted opinion that "all people left Africa", and only then was brought to the south, and not vice versa , we can rightfully say that the R1a haplotype is historically the Slavs' haplotype, and not someone else. I repeat once again so that each of us will remember this forever - the genetic haplogroup R1a, which is otherwise called Aryan, and which is the genetic marker of White Caucasians, is, first of all, the haplogroup of the Slavs, since among the Slavic population, and not any other, this haplogroup is present in the highest concentration, incomparable with anyone else. In other words, the Slavs are genetically the most elite Europeans. None of the European peoples can compare with the Slavs in terms of the content of the Caucasian marker R1a. The relative "whiteness" of other Europeans is explained only by the fact that they also have Slavic Marker R1a in noticeable sizes. That is, they are white because our Slavic Blood flows in their veins. In other words, some Europeans, for the most part, genetically are also Slavs, regardless of the language in which history ordered them to speak. These peoples, first of all, include the North-East Germans, Scandinavians and the inhabitants of the Baltic countries.
Returning to Ancient India, we can now say without any exaggeration that the famous Arians who brought the light of civilization to Hindustan were none other than the Slavs, and the presence of the Slavic genetic marker R1a in the current population of India is vivid proof of this. Not a single traditional historian who is friends with his head, if, of course, he is properly supported, cannot fail to admit this fact. After considering the genetic aspect of the issue, it will now be easier for each of us to look at the linguistic side of things. Having understood, I hope, very thoroughly that the Slavs were the ancient Aryans in India, we now, perhaps, will not particularly wonder why Sanskrit, which was the language of these same Aryans, resembles both the Russian language and other languages ​​of the European peoples, which at one time pulled out of shit and it was the Slavs who civilized it.
We know that the ancient people of the Aryans, or more precisely, the Slavs-Aryans, spoke Sanskrit or its predecessor languages, to which, first of all, Vedic Sanskrit can be attributed, in which the most ancient texts of the Aryans are written - RigVeda, whose age is estimated at not less than 8000 years. It is appropriate to assume that those Slavic-Aryan peoples of our time, which to a lesser extent mixed with other peoples, retained more linguistic properties from their Slavic-Aryan Primary language. Therefore, we should not be surprised by the fact that not only Russians, but also the same Germans, who genetically are also still Slavs, find in their language a lot of words that have a similar or identical sound in Sanskrit. Now let's take a look at the language of the peoples, whose population is the carrier of the genetic marker of the Slavs-Aryans to an immeasurably greater extent than anyone else. First of all, I mean Belarusians, northern Ukrainians and eastern Poles (see on the left above: the distribution of the Slavs-Aryans in Europe). Firstly, because these Slavic Nations did not lose the language of their Aryan ancestors, unlike other genetic Slavs - Scandinavians and Germans, who underwent a powerful linguistic breakdown during the period of the so-called "Christianization", when tens of thousands of people began to forcibly settle in their countries "Trojan horses" of the Vatican - dark-skinned genetic Celts (not to be confused with the linguistic Celts, which we, in fact, perceive as Celts) in order to "dilute" the Slavs. And secondly, as I already noted, among these peoples the content of the Slavic-Aryan haplogroup R1a often exceeds 60%, reaching 90% and even more in the population of Western Belarus and Eastern Poland. That is, it will not be a great exaggeration if we assume that it is here, in the places of the highest concentration of the Slavs-Aryans, that it is worth, first of all, to look for traces of the real similarity of the Slavic language with Sanskrit, and at the same time - to be honest - and the origins of the Slavic-Aryan Proto-language itself, given the fact that the Aryans, as I said, came to India from the north, as well as from the north-west, and not from India to the north.
At the same time, as it was not difficult to conclude, Slavic languages ​​have much more similarities with Sanskrit than any other languages ​​of the so-called "Indo-European" family. With a careful approach, however, it is striking that in the territory where Poland, Ukraine and Belarus lie today, people - speakers of the languages ​​of these countries have retained in their language an incredible mass of words that directly echo the equivalents of these words in Sanskrit, which testifies not only about the extraordinary relationship between the Slavic languages ​​and Sanskrit, but, probably, about the direct blood relationship between their speakers. Further from Belarus to the east, the number of words similar in sound to the Sanskrit ones dramatically decreases and begins to gradually increase again with the approach to the Siberian regions of Russia until it gains its full strength in the northern latitudes of India. Involuntarily the question arises, why did such a huge abyss of thousands of kilometers arise? There are, perhaps, two reasons.
The first of them is the fact that the bearers of the ancient proto-language, which gave life not only to Sanskrit and modern Slavic languages, but also to the languages ​​of the entire "Indo-European" family, and which in itself undoubtedly was a Slavic language, and not some also, there were Slavs-Aryans, whom the official history calls simply Aryans, and then with caution. Why are the Aryans Slavs? Because the genetic Y-haplogroup of the Aryans is the genetic Y-haplogroup R1a, and not any other. It is this very same genetic Y-haplogroup R1a that is the root Y-haplogroup of the Slavs, and not someone else. Since the content of this haplogroup reaches the highest value among Belarusians, Poles and Ukrainians, it becomes clear to us why exactly the languages ​​of Belarusians, Ukrainians and Poles reveal more similarities with Sanskrit than any other languages. As we move eastward from Belarus, the percentage of the Slavic-Aryan genetic haplogroup R1a among the population begins to decline rapidly due to mixing with other genetic haplotypes, among which the Finno-Ugric Y-haplotype N begins to prevail. It is appropriate to assume that the mixing of Slavic blood with blood is dangerous -Finns in the vast spaces in Russia between Smolensk and Altai led to a linguistic confusion. It is this fact that explains some loss of this territory from the harmonious linguistic scheme of the Slavic world.
The second reason is the forcible eradication of the Slavic-Aryan language in the vast areas of Russia by implanting an artificially created Slavic dialect, which today is called the "Russian" language, the Romanov dynasty, which in this way tried to erase from the people all memory of its glorious pre-Roman past (already described by me in (See the material "Who Are Such Slavs" available on the same blog). This circumstance also explains the fact why the inhabitants of Russia, unlike other Slavs, do not understand a single Slavic language, except for their own. And how should it be otherwise if, for example, the word "roar" on one side of Russia in India in Sanskrit is "rauti", and on the other - in Belarus - also "rauti"? Or let's take the Russian word "sing". In Sanskrit it is "gayati", and in the south of Belarus and in Ukraine ... - also "gayati"! There are a great many such examples. The Russian language also lacks the letter y-short, but in Sanskrit and, say, the Belarusian language it is. There is no sound "f" in Sanskrit. In Belarus, this sound was introduced relatively recently by "Russifiers" who, to please their gods, by hook or by crook tried to strangle the oldest of the Slavic languages. However, the letter didn't catch on. The indigenous population, as I have already noted above, still continues to say "khvilosap" instead of "philosopher", refer to "Fedor", saying "Khvedar" and even such a word as "football" many people prefer to pronounce as "hvutball". That is, you can see how much the genetic memory of a person keeps what the ancestors put in it.
Those who do not believe in conspiracy theory should try to explain the fact of the conversion of the Slavs and Rus into mankurts, supposedly in a natural way. China, the Celts and other nationalities remember their history, but the Slavs do not? Can someone explain to me why this happened in history? Why are Rus, Slavs deprived of historical roots? To whom does our memory pose a threat to existence? Who hates the Slavs so much?

[Makhalych]

I read, neighing.
Thanks for the uplifting.

[nokki]

Very true! I will say more: the Old Slavonic language is Sanskrit. American and European archaeologists have been repeating for many years (excavations in the Bones of the Voronezh Region!) - the center of world civilization arose on the Central Russian Upland! Don and Dnieper - Aryan rivers! Our ancestors with you! Therefore, the great hatred of Western Europe and Pindosia for their descendants! The province always hates the Metropolis, and the half-breeds hate the masters of the Earth! Read good institute textbooks of the Soviet era (linguistics), monographs on history, literature, geography. They are available! Only our laziness interferes with reading them! Refer to the books of G. Klimov, S. Nilus and other ascetics of the Russian, Slavic spirit ...

[viva_cuba]

the main thing, being among the Slavs-Aryans, is that the roof remains in place :))

[Ascetic]

So, according to the genetic map, the population of Europe is characterized, as we see, by five main haplogroups that immediately catch our eye, standing out against the background of smaller markers, which in our conversation can simply be neglected so as not to be confused:
1. Haplogroup R1a - painted on the map in yellow.
2. Haplogroup R1b - red.
3. Haplogroup I - lilac color.
4. The haplogroup N is violet.
5. Haplogroup J - green.
Official science says with less confidence that the human cradle is in Africa, although this is true. But this is true only for all haplogroups with the exception of two Slavic haplogroups - R1a and I, which were born in the northern hemisphere, and not in Africa. These Slavic haplogroups are exclusive markers of white Caucasians. Thus, in the world there are no white Caucasians, except for the Slavs. Some other nations look European only because a large percentage of our Slavic blood still flows in their veins.

http://www.germanicvs.tk/2010/08/blog-post.html

[Yura]

Maybe that's why in some countries of Central Asia and the Middle East, Shuravi, which is translated into Russian as white, was called only Russian or, more precisely, Russian people.

[Makhalych]

Quote: Jura

Maybe that's why in some countries of Central Asia and the Middle East, Shuravi, which is translated into Russian as white, was called only Russian or, more precisely, Russian people.

Shuravi in ​​Afghanistan was called SOVIET. From the pronunciation of the Soviet it went.
And so legends are born ...

[Igarr]

Mr. MAKHALYCH, I see, is perfectly aware of the latest publications on the history of the Slavs.
And such an active rejection of these theories, all together, and, moreover, indicates the existence of their own version - is not it?
Would share wisdom ...

[Makhalych]

Quote: Igarr

Mr. MAKHALYCH, I see, is perfectly aware of the latest publications on the history of the Slavs.
And such an active rejection of these theories, all together, and, moreover, indicates the existence of their own version - is not it?
Would share wisdom ...

Mr. Igarr, how can I reject all theories? No, absolutely not. Only absolutely crazy.
I do not have my own version, I am not a scientist to put forward any versions on this problem.
As I wrote below, everyone should do their own thing. I do my own, far from science, therefore - there will be no versions.
For versions, this is for opponents and adherents of storytellers like the ones I already mentioned.
Why do I think a lot of the stuff written here is nonsense?
Let's just say ... without going into details, in recent years I have passed through my hands a lot of artifacts, which were from 1 thousand to 3 thousand years. From different parts of the world. Belonging to different nations, cultures, which had long since sunk into oblivion and therefore I can draw conclusions regarding certain statements, things, judgments and versions.
You can believe me.
Or you can not. This is your full right.

To spread the local versions to the nines ... It is possible but not desires. Honestly.
Time itself will put everything in its place. And everything will become clear. But not now ...

[Igarr]

And what or by whom are these artifacts dated?

[rexby63]

This is not an answer. This is idle talk. "I passed a lot of artifacts through my hands" - you are our humble ...

[sams]

Good comment.
In place.

[J_silver]

You need to learn the materiel, but which one?
Where are the facts on which you can firmly rely on history dating back to centuries. if we are ready to break each other's throats in the interpretation of history, even the beginning of the 21st century! That is events. which took place in our memory - and there is no agreement in their interpretation!
And you are talking about some strange manuscripts in which sometimes there is not even a division of the text into words, not to mention punctuation marks ...

[Ascetic]

It's just interesting where the tribes of Tkrivichi, meadow, Meri, etc. came from. who inhabited the territory of ancient Russia? From monkeys or what? Who are their ancestors? Nobody can give me an answer.
Makhalych
And where does the so-called races appeared? are the Chinese blacks? Is everything from Adam and Eve?
There is a theory that the cradle of humanity Tibet is the "matrix of life" and not Africa (a cycle of books by Professor Muldashev). There are, after all, genetic studies on the basis of which the above theory is given. breakthrough direction in basic science and they are engaged in many scientific centers abroad and here. Information about these studies is classified. Nobody will tell you the ultimate truth if there is some information you need to think to analyze to refute reasonably and you can laugh in the "Crooked Mirror". Bring then scientific theory where did the same Slavs come from, why they are called that way, and how do they differ from those Gauls or Saxons, etc. Let us consider and admit our mistakes, and if there is nothing to say, it is better to keep silent

[Makhalych]

Quote: Ascetic

It's just interesting where the tribes of Tkrivichi, meadow, Meri, etc. came from. who inhabited the territory of ancient Russia? From monkeys or what? Who are their ancestors?

It’s clear that it’s not from monkeys, I didn’t say that.
And where do you think, who are our ancestors?

Quote: Ascetic

And where does the so-called races appeared? are the Chinese blacks? Is everything from Adam and Eve?

No, not from Adam. Read normal books and find out.

Quote: Ascetic

There is a theory that the cradle of humanity Tibet is the "matrix of life" and not Africa (a cycle of books by Professor Muldashev).

Just a theory. I can also theorize that flew from Venus.

Quote: Ascetic

.In general, this is a breakthrough direction in fundamental science and it is dealt with in many scientific centers abroad and here. Information about these studies is confidential.

RAS (no need to explain what it is ) rejects ALL theories of Fomenko and Co., Petukhov and others and others.
And the RAS is the BASE !!! Yes, and do not confuse the RAS with the shredder of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences.
So, fundamental scientists around the world have never supported such currents.

Quote: Ascetic

Give then a scientific theory

I repeat once again. Everyone must do their job !!!
I am not a scientist. But I prefer SCIENTIFIC sources and facts and read the books of SCIENTISTS and it is not clear to whom.

Something like this ...

[serge]

Makhalych
Quote: Ascetic
It's just interesting where the tribes of Tkrivichi, meadow, Meri, etc. came from. who inhabited the territory of ancient Russia? From monkeys or what? Who are their ancestors?

It’s clear that it’s not from monkeys, I didn’t say that.
And where do you think, who are our ancestors?
-------------------------------------------------- ----
But does someone already know exactly where people came from?

[skullcap]

Mahalych, not hysteria. Ascetic rights to all 100.
Tomorrow, if everything is fine, I will write about the tracks.
The fact that Brandenburg was before the Slavic Branibor was also written by the classics of Marxism, although they were zoological Russonavist.

[Makhalych]

Quote: kosopuz

Mahalych, not hysteria. Ascetic rights to all 100.
Tomorrow, if everything is fine, I will write about the tracks.
The fact that Brandenburg was before the Slavic Branibor was also written by the classics of Marxism, although they were zoological Russonavist.

Yes, I do not hysteria.
I am neighing, and those who are nearby are also. From the heart ...

Write more. We will neigh further.

But Ascetic, drove the unscientific ravine and all.
Everyone in this world must do their own thing.
Historians study history, cooks cook cabbage soup, drivers steer and so on.
And now everything is messed up with us. Divorced a lot of all kinds of crooks and just fools, who write.
Unfortunately, perhaps only one thing, many people whose brain is weakened, are not able to understand what it is, and taking it on faith, they begin to really believe these crooks.
So, alas, I don't need to write anything "about traces".
Leave your scribbling for those who are now obscurantist in this thread with their comments. They will understand you and appreciate your efforts and craving for "knowledge".

[Ascetic]

Quote: MAhalych

But Ascetic, drove the unscientific ravine and all.

Learn to distinguish the process of cognition from the stream of consciousness. Genetics was also considered antiscientific nonsense as well as cybernetics, and even earlier astronomy (burned at the stake), etc.

[xorgi]

Sorry, genetics and cybernetics were considered nonsense only in the USSR, and astronomy was an ancient science: it was burned for its separate theories.

[Shaulin]

Strongly disagree.
AND HERESY ...

[Makhalych]

Quote: xorgi

cybernetics considered nonsense only in the USSR

Why? Remember at least academician Glushko.
No one considered cybernetics nonsense.

[Makhalych]

Quote: Ascetic

Learn to distinguish the process of cognition from the stream of consciousness.

Well, bent ... Without a hundred grams you can not tell ...

[datur]

Makhalych,
Atilla was also Russian or something ??
Here is the complete one .. ----- no, not Russian, and he did not crush Rome !!! bablosy take took it for sure. Atilla was a talented bandyuk and creator of the bandyukov state! where there was no division by nation, only loyalty to the leader while he was lucky and pays money! This figure died and all states did not all ran away. so that.

[Makhalych]

Quote: datur

Atilla was also Russian or something ??
Here is the complete one .. ----- no, not Russian, and he did not crush Rome !!! bablosy take took it for sure. Atilla was a talented bandyuk and creator of the bandyukov state! where there was no division by nation, only loyalty to the leader while he was lucky and pays money! This figure died and all states did not all ran away. so that.

So I do not say that Russian.
This is Fomenko with Ascetic and others like them claim. After all, according to them, the Russians ruined Rome.
But by the way, again, according to them, Russians and Etruscans are one and the same.
And now Fomenko and Co. have a problem (one of many comes out). Somehow, themselves, as the Etruscan gave rise to Rome, and then they themselves destroyed it after hundreds of years ???

[Shaulin]

Good day, gentlemen.

Let's drink.

For Russia Mother !!!!

[Makhalych]

Quote: shaulin

Let's drink. smile

For Russia Mother !!!!

Yes, let's roll !!!
And it’s sad without a roll ... I’ll go pump up 200 grams.

[xorgi]

Cybernetics in the USSR
The development of cybernetics in the USSR was started in the 1940s.
In the "Philosophical Dictionary" of 1954, the publication included the characterization of cybernetics as "reactionary pseudoscience."

Data Vicki, also met in Soviet fiction, evidence that cybernetics was considered a "pseudoscience".

Victor Mikhailovich was originally involved in the theory of automata. And he came to cybernetics only in 1956.

[Makhalych]

Quote: xorgi

And he came to cybernetics only in 1956.

Well, how could she not have been if he had come there ?!

[xorgi]

funny
so about genetics can be said if you translate Lysenkova in the entire history of the USSR
And if you recall that in Russia once there was serfdom, then in general ...

[Makhalych]

Quote: xorgi

funny
so about genetics can be said if you translate Lysenkova in the entire history of the USSR
And if you recall that in Russia once there was serfdom, then in general ...

The couple did not enter the meaning. Honestly ...

[xorgi]

Cybernetics was considered pseudoscience in 1954 (judging by the philosophical dictionary), but in 1956 it was no longer. Therefore, transferring this opinion to the entire Soviet period is ridiculous, as well as translating serfdom into the entire history of Russia from Rurik to Medvedev.
I wrote precisely that only in a certain period in the USSR was cybernetics and genetics considered pseudoscience

[Makhalych]

Quote: xorgi

Cybernetics was considered pseudoscience in 1954 (judging by the philosophical dictionary), but in 1956 it was no longer. Therefore, transferring this opinion to the entire Soviet period is ridiculous, as well as translating serfdom into the entire history of Russia from Rurik to Medvedev.
I wrote precisely that only in a certain period in the USSR was cybernetics and genetics considered pseudoscience

Well, but I didn’t say anything like that ...
Lahn, come on.
We have more important things to do here ...

[Shaulin]

I read the article, I like everything very much, at least someone in our Americanized world writes Slavs about us.
Well done, brothers patriots !!!!

[smoke]

yes the truth is afraid to say not what to write

[Igarr]

It seems that Alexander Samsonov was in a hurry somewhere.
The article somehow falls out of connectedness, compared with others of its own.
"... RAS - rejects .. all theories of Fomenko & Co., Petukhovs and others ..." .. other whom? Tsiolkovsky, Keldysh, Fersman?
If I earned an academician on "thimbles" - would I be very glad that someone came and installed mirrors around me?
Repeat the mathematics of the zodiacs, as Fomenko and Co. offers (especially computers unmeasured) - and then start judging.
Read successively Andrei Burovsky "Aryan ancestors", Petukhov, Nosovsky-Fomenko - this is a very harmonious picture. For those who are able to think independently.
And do not look into the mouths of academics.
At one time, the French Academy of Sciences said - there are NO stones in the sky!

[Ivan043]

R1a carriers are also Tatars (24-34%) Mordvinians (22-39%) Pamiri Tajiks (68%) Khujans Tajiks (64%) Pashtuns (45%) Kyrgyz (68%) !!!
The chromosome does not carry information about the color and section of the eyes and skin color.
The classical history is based on the Scaliger chronology officially adopted by the Vatican in the 17th century, and the Old Russian one was adopted under Peter the Great and is based on the "Tale of Bygone Years" found in Konigsberg before the king's arrival. It is believed that the first pages of this chronicle are fake. In Europe they didn't want us to know our history.

[Svist]

The article is some kind of kutsiya. I like to read historical literature, but I am wary of this. Either the Germans argued that they were Aryans, then the Ukrainians (Western), and justified everything "scientifically". Now here we are ... For the sake of interest, I read these "the most ancient texts of the Aryans - RigVeda", translated into Russian, of course, I suddenly think I will catch something dear, dormant in the depths of my soul - no, I didn't smell anything. http://scriptures.ru/vedas/rigveda01_001_023.htm Decided not to bother with his head, God be with them, with the Aryans ...

[Makhalych]

Guys, read here. You'll like it.

http://lingvofreaks.narod.ru/

[J_silver]

I didn’t like it!
In this case, there is one word against another, but neither one nor the other has real evidence!
Personally, I doubt a lot - and, if possible, I would like to see evidence, regardless of whether I like it or not ...

[Makhalych]

Quote: J_Silver

Personally, I doubt a lot

What exactly for example?
What does not suit you the existing version of the story?

And in the materials by reference, they do not prove, but show that everything that these eccentrics write about is literally sucked from the finger.

[J_silver]

And why should this version suit me?
I don’t know how old you are, but I taught both istmat and diamat, and in general everything. what was supposed to be - then there was no need to doubt THIS, but now the time is completely different, and I am not obliged to believe in the whole crap, especially since the authorities are highly doubtful ...

[Shaulin]

Quote: MAhalych

Guys, read here. You'll like it.

http://lingvofreaks.narod.ru/

Well, finally, there was a man who opened our eyes to "historians".
Marazmatiki and dreamers ....

[J_silver]

You are our trusting - is it freaks or not freaks, then my grandmother said in two more ...

[Makhalych]

Quote: J_Silver

You are our trusting - is it freaks or not freaks, then my grandmother said in two more ...

Ah John, John, John ... Grandmothers say one thing, and PEOPLE FROM SCIENCE - quite another.
You can trust the "grandmothers" but, I think it's better to trust the SCIENTISTS.
Or isn’t it?

You better read carefully all the topics on the link. There are many of them. Read.
And then we'll talk about "grandmothers" ...

[J_silver]

These "people from science" have long made me sick!
A very peculiar audience, especially in personal communication ...

[Makhalych]

Quote: shaulin

Well, finally, there was a man who opened our eyes to "historians".
Marazmatiki and dreamers ....

Yes, it’s neither me, it’s just that various scholars put a fat cross on all kinds of pseudo-historians and other freaks.
Bold and evidential.

So, we read.

[J_silver]

Here about the evidence - is it possible in more detail? Where is that evidence? They simply do not exist and never have been!
Personally, I have great doubts about any "new stories", but I see well that it is practically impossible to refute them in reality, because there is nothing to rely on in traditional history, stupidity on stupidity ...

[Makhalych]

Quote: J_Silver

in traditional history, stupidity on stupidity ...

Well, come on, I'm waiting for examples.
In the meantime, only verbiage is one.

It has already been written here that Etruscan is Russian, or that King Arthur is a Russian Cossack. You really believe in this nonsense or something ?? !!! It’s even imagined with a big binge if only when you’ve cleared your head of booze, you’ll understand that it’s wrong !!!

[J_silver]

Of course, it was unlikely that the Etruscans could be Russian, because there were no Russians at that time and could not be - but who are these Etruscans? Where did they come from? Were there at all in that form. what do they represent us? History is modestly on the sidelines ...
It is clear that King Arthur was hardly a Cossack, but who was he? Was there at all? Again, the story aside tries once again not to shine ...
Only the fact that the real scale of events appeared relatively recently does not leave a stone unturned from the whole history - we can more or less be based on written sources not older than 500 years, but actually much less, about 300 years - everything else is complete garbage, and this applies to almost all "ancient states" ...

[Makhalych]

Quote: J_Silver

more or less we can be based on written sources not older than 500 years, but in reality, much less, about 300 years - everything else is complete garbage, and this applies to almost all "ancient states" ...

Hmm ... You can send you to such an auxiliary scientific discipline as - numismatics.
I dare to assure you that there are dating coins, which are 2 or more thousand years old. With the names of kings, the names of policies (cities), even with the names of carvers (Syracuse decks and tetras).
This is so, by the way.
And that is, in your opinion, such evidence of the Ancient Civilizations as the Roman theater of Flavius ​​(in colloquial colloques), or the Greek Parthenon, the works of Herodotus, Homer, Appian and other MANY, left to us, are also about ??? Next 500 years we do not want to see anything ???
Yes, there are many white spots in history. There are many inconsistencies, but in general it is true.
I agree that practically nothing is known about the Etruscan tribe, or rather, very little is known. I would like more but ... But to put them on the same parallel and even identify them with the Russians is FULL !!! These are fundamentally different cultures AT ALL !!!
What else ?
Somehow in one of the little books it seems Fomenko I happened to read that the Egyptian pyramids were built by Russian princes. And that they, the princes, were buried there. Believe it too ?? !!!

[J_silver]

Numismatics? Well, well - do many coins have exact dates? Are you serious? Can you date them with acceptable accuracy? Can you bring these methods?
Which homer? Herodotus and others? Have you even seen their works in their current form? On which media could they reach our days?
Are you able to distinguish the ruins of a hundred years ago from the ruins of two centuries? Maybe share the exact way to do this?
I repeat once again: I don’t believe new historians, but I really can’t refute it!

[Makhalych]

Quote: J_Silver

Numismatics? Well, well - do many coins have exact dates? Are you serious? Can you date them with acceptable accuracy? Can you bring these methods?
Which homer? Herodotus and others? Have you even seen their works in their current form? On which media could they reach our days?
Are you able to distinguish the ruins of a hundred years ago from the ruins of two centuries? Maybe share the exact way to do this?
I repeat once again: I don’t believe new historians, but I really can’t refute it!

Yes, there are precisely dated coins. If you are not in the know, then alas, I vryat I can convince you.
Although after what has already been written, it is already possible, in principle, not to continue.
Your knowledge in the subject of which you are trying to argue is nil. Absolutely, in general.
Yes, to identify the ruins.
There is such a thing as a "cultural layer" in archeology. According to them, these layers, identification is established.
But you see and I don’t know.
Learn the materiel. Teach, so as not to look ignorant when you turn up a person in the subject. Be dishonored after all.

[J_silver]

The cultural layer in archeology? Are you in all seriousness? And what is the accuracy? Well, yes, which means half a kilo for artillery ...
If I see a "person in the subject" here, then we'll see what my level of knowledge is ...

[Shaulin]

Quote: J_Silver

You are our trusting - is it freaks or not freaks, then my grandmother said in two more ...

And, what granny says, enlighten us ignoramuses.

[J_silver]

Sign up for a course of lectures and pay at the box office ...

[skullcap]

MAkhalych Yesterday, 15: 25
Especially this is fun:

Quote: Ascetic
The most plausible is their version of the position of the Rus in Europe.
the traces of their stay in Europe are so profound, the Ruses have such a deep history on the European Peninsula that they can only be crossed out with the whole history of Europe.

What are the "traces" dear ???
At least a few scientifically confirmed evidence, and not nonsense Fomenko and Co., and all Petukhovs, Chudinovs and other mudvinov. Which at the time with tambourines by the fires to dance. Since they are as far from science as Earth is from Alpha Centauri. :-))
---------------------------------------------------------
I promised traces of the Slavs in Zap. Europe.
Incomplete list of former Slavic cities in the present. Germany:
Berlin - there are two versions of the translation of the name of this city. According to the first, the origin of the modern capital of Germany is the word “burlin” - “dam”, the second one from “ber” - bear (compare “den” - “ber den”). Apparently the second version is correct, which is displayed in the emblem and flag of the city.
Brandenburg - Branibor.
Breslau - Breslavl.
Dymin - Dymin.
Dresden - Drozdany.
Leipzig - Lipitsy, Lipsk.
Meissen - Mishno.
Merseburg - Mezhibor.
Mecklenburg - Mikulin Bor, formerly Rarog-Rerik (city of Falcon).
Oldenburg - Stargorod, Stargrad, Starigrad, Old Town.
Ratzeburg - hail of knight warriors, Ratibor.
Roslau - Rusislav.
Sprout - Sprout.
Teterov - Teterev.
Torgau - Trading.
Schwerin - Zverin, hail of the Union of Slavs of the Wondrous.
Zerbst - Serpsk (Empress Catherine 2 - at the birth of Sophia Augustus Frederick von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg, that is to say, Sierska - a fact not rejected even by the most learned scientists)
And other thousands of Slavic towns, villages, towns, rivers, streams, lakes, islands (Rugen - Ruyan, Bornholm - Bera Hill), etc.
By the way, I had the opportunity to serve as part of the Soviet Army precisely in Brandenburg and I, on my “friendships” with the Germans, showed my erudition a couple of years, that it was supposedly Slavic Branibor, the classics still wrote. And the Germans agreed with this without any complexes .
In addition, I can tell you that all official science recognizes that Venice in Italy was founded by Veneti. And this is the Slavs. This is also recognized even by official science.
I did not find only information about who founded the city "Lutezia", ​​in whose place stands modern Paris.
Do you have any clues about this?
And you want more detail - http://www.dnny.ru/ow/410-zabytaya-rus.html

[Makhalych]

Quote: kosopuz

I promised traces of the Slavs in Zap. Europe.
Incomplete list of former Slavic cities in the present. Germany:

Kosopuz, as I thought, is a banal pun. Linguofriction and no more.
Well, your level of knowledge is also clear as day, it is also equal to full zero.
I wish you good luck in further linguo-friction, it can lead you far into the dense jungle of ignorance and complete nonsense. Good luck.

[J_silver]

A typical example of actions when a person has nothing to say on the topic is to accuse the opponent of ignorance ...

[skullcap]

Not everyone has enough courage to admit that somewhere was wrong.

[Makhalych]

Quote: kosopuz

Not everyone has enough courage to admit that somewhere was wrong.

It's right. It’s easier to sculpt stealthily those who have their own opinion and a head on their shoulders, and not a cabbage.

[Specialforce]

About Paris: I read in historical literature that during the Middle Ages Paris was a "pitiful sight" - this is how one of the Russian empresses describes it. In terms of landscaping, it was significantly inferior to Russian cities.
By the way, Russia has its own Paris (somewhere in Siberia), our Paris is much older than foreign, although it is a small village. And one company of a mobile operator even installed its own Eiffel Tower there ..
(who are interested in the details - look on the Internet) - the main fact

[J_silver]

Paris in our country is not in Siberia, it is not far from the Urals, the former Cossack village, the Nagaybaks still live there, that is, the branch of baptized Tatars, received the name after the First Patriotic, there is still Fershampenuaz, like Leipzig and a number of settlements that received name of the battlefield. in which the Cossacks participated ...
There is Farish, but it’s already like in Tajikistan and for years this horseradish has known him .. probably the locals don’t know ...

[xorgi]

I confirm the words of J_Silver January 25, 2012 15:52
This is all not far from me, I know the history of my native land.
We also have Berlin, Kherson, India (these are villages) and Varna (this is a city).
There are very few Nagaybaks in the villages, they moved to large cities such as Chelyabinsk, mainly Kazakhs, Bashkirs and Tatars - Muslims, Mordvinians, Ukrainians, Russians.
By the way, in India there are Old Believers who honor their traditions very much (they are not even allowed to drink from their well!), And who do not know anything about pre-Christian Russia (except for those studied at school).

[Shaulin]

Quote: kosopuz

I did not find only information about who founded the city "Lutezia", ​​in whose place stands modern Paris.
Do you have any clues about this?

The city "Lutetia" (Paris) was founded by Vasya and Petya. True, there was still Ignat, but he was killed by Jewish competitors. Information is 1000% verified. These are real facts !!!!

Quote: kosopuz

Brandenburg - Branibor.
Breslau - Breslavl.
Dymin - Dymin.
Dresden - Drozdany.
Leipzig - Lipitsy, Lipsk.
Meissen - Mishno.
Merseburg - Mezhibor.
Mecklenburg - Mikulin Bor, formerly Rarog-Rerik (city of Falcon).
Oldenburg - Stargorod, Stargrad, Starigrad, Old Town.
Ratzeburg - hail of knight warriors, Ratibor.
Roslau - Rusislav.
Sprout - Sprout.
Teterov - Teterev.
Torgau - Shopping

Well, you’re just a poet. Pushkin nervously smokes on his side. Did you rhyme this whole night iki immediately visiting you muse ????

[Makhalych]

Quote: shaulin

Well, you’re just a poet. Pushkin nervously smokes on his side.

Yes, Pushkin did not stand there either.
Such "fairy tales of Lukomorye", even probably to Gogol in nightmares, could not sleep well, what kind of "cats" scientists "are broadcasting.

[Specialforce]

Some more facts:
http://www.senav.net/tayni_istorii/1751-lukomore-sushhestvovalo.html
read the article here

[Miha_Skif]

The article is interesting in that it touches on a very important, extensive and requiring disclosure topic of the emergence of the Slavs, their resettlement, the emergence of the first Slavic states. Let's just say I'm interested in the period from the 2nd century AD. 8-9 century, i.e. before the beginning of the official history of Russia. It is clear that such a community as ancient Russia cannot come out of nowhere from scratch. How did Russia come into being? Unfortunately, no one has yet answered this question clearly, reasonably, on the basis of reliable scientific facts. In other words, to date, many monuments of this period have been investigated (including the island of Rügen), a mass of factual material has been accumulated, many serious publications (alas, on narrow, local issues), but no serious generalizations on this topic. And in this existing vacuum a great many pseudo-historians (Chudinov, etc., etc.) have sprung up, openly speculating on this issue. From reliable sources that mention Slavic archaeological monuments on the European Peninsula, I can recommend the old, but still relevant work of Lubor Niederle "Slavic antiquities".
Niederle Lubor, a Czech archaeologist, ethnographer and Slavic historian, published the multivolume Slavic Antiquities in 1902–34, almost all scholars in this field still cite this textbook work. There have been numerous reprints including in Russian (1956, 2010).
I am inclined to trust the data on genetic analysis on the Y chromosome, especially since an article on this topic, from which an illustration of the esteemed Ascetic is taken, was published in one of the issues of the Popular Mechanics magazine, in my opinion, in 2009.