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President of Armenia: accommodation on the territory of the republic "Iskander" - a forced measure

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Accommodation of Iskander complexes in Armenia is aimed at preserving stability in the region, reports RIA News statement by the President of the Republic Serzh Sargsyan.


President of Armenia: accommodation on the territory of the republic "Iskander" - a forced measure


For the first time, “Iskanders” were demonstrated in Yerevan on September 21 at a parade in honor of the 25 anniversary of Armenia’s independence. However, as some media reported, the complexes arrived in the country much earlier and “were brought to combat readiness during the escalation of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh in April”.

“I think this (the deployment of Iskander) was a necessary measure to somehow balance the military situation in our region. It’s no secret that over the past few years Azerbaijan has regularly acquired the latest weapons. We do not have such opportunities as Azerbaijan, I mean financial opportunities, but all the time we are trying to balance the situation by finding the antidote. I think that in this case Iskander is just such an antidote ”,
said the head of Armenia.

“Of course, the arms race is not a good situation, and we don’t want to go for it, but what to do if you are threatened with war and physical extermination every day. You must take appropriate steps, ”he said.

Sargsyan stressed that there is an agreement between Armenia and Russia on maintaining balance in the region.

“I think that Russia, proceeding from this, has gone to meet our request and has provided us with this excellent militarily system. Of course, maybe, it would be good for mankind if there were no such systems, but when you are forced, you go for it, ”he said.

In general, the president noted, “Russia plays a key role in our region, including in maintaining peace and stability.”
Photos used:
RIA News. Alexey Danichev
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  1. nnm
    nnm 17 November 2016 11: 10
    +2
    "The deployment of Iskander complexes in Armenia is aimed at maintaining stability in the region ..." - such an excellent ... "stabilizer"!))) .... for some reason I remembered that in the liberal 90s, VVshniki had their clubs (PR) called "democratizers". I am glad, of course, that our Iskanders are advertised in this way, but the question is whether this will harm our relations with Azerbaijan.
    1. Skeptic Self-Taught
      Skeptic Self-Taught 17 November 2016 11: 12
      +1
      Yeah, aimed at protecting the United States from missile attacks from Mexico :) Well, prevention ... there too ...
      1. Temples
        Temples 17 November 2016 11: 20
        +6
        I think this (the deployment of the Iskander) was a necessary measure

        Why is it justified?
        He said that they decided to establish to protect national interests and stability in the region. And that’s it!
        whether this will harm our relations with Azerbaijan.

        It doesn’t hurt. Everyone understands that it is the Russians who protect their interests. Azerbaijanis are aware that we are not threatening them. But inadequate American will subside.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 17 November 2016 11: 57
          +8
          And where is the inadequate Armenian Ramsik? He would now have said such a thing to his country ... It is time to turn it over to the Turks.
          Quote: Temples
          I think this (the deployment of the Iskander) was a necessary measure

          Why is it justified?
          He said that they decided to establish to protect national interests and stability in the region. And that’s it!
          whether this will harm our relations with Azerbaijan.

          It doesn’t hurt. Everyone understands that it is the Russians who protect their interests. Azerbaijanis are aware that we are not threatening them. But inadequate American will subside.
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 17 November 2016 11: 22
        +1
        Quote: nnm
        whether this will harm our relations with Azerbaijan.

        Everyone doesn’t like it. Sometimes you have to choose. The conclusion of the direct military alliance suggests that Azerbaijan is drifting in the wrong direction ...
        And delivering our weapons to him is just business. He had money, and if we had refused, he would have replaced the missing with Western models. However, not everything is smooth with them, NATO fighters, which are critical for them, are not selling them.
        It surprises me why during the times of the USSR a. and a. they didn’t fight each other. What should Russia do as the successor of the USSR so that they don’t look at each other through the front sight?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 17 November 2016 14: 41
          +3
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          if we refused, he would replace the missing with western models.

          Could not. The USA and the West do not sell anything to Azerbaijan and Armenia. The maximum snipers or old western systems bought from third countries in a minimum quantity. Well and the USA equipped the radar stations of the Caspian sector of Azerbaijan so that Iran could be monitored and the fields were intact.
          Therefore, this is not an excuse. Russia is the only country that is actively arming both sides of the conflict, saying that we are only for peace guys)))
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 17 November 2016 15: 07
            +3
            Quote: Yeraz
            .Maximum snipers or old western systems purchased from third countries in a minimum quantity.

            Well this is a lie. Israel sold you modern weapons, which even in the Russian Federation do not exist, which is impossible without the permission of the United States. The Turks sold RZSO. Kitai would love to sell tanks and everything else. There was apparently an agreement with the Russian Federation. The West doesn’t stuff its weapons there, the Russian Federation doesn’t stuff it in the SPECIFIC LA countries and at the same time arming the army of Azerbaijan. High-precision weapons of the Russian Federation did not supply and you bought them from Israel, so the Russian Federation had to be sent ISKANDER.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 17 November 2016 15: 21
              +4
              Quotation: blooded man
              Israel sold you modern weapons, which even in the Russian Federation do not exist, which is impossible without the permission of the United States. The Turks sold RZSO.

              Tell me a second country that is actively arming both sides. This is only the Russian Federation.
              In the case of Azerbaijan, this is 80% of offensive weapons; in the case of Armenia, almost all 100%
              And since when is Turkey and Israel the West ??
              Quotation: blooded man
              High-precision weapons of the Russian Federation did not deliver and you bought it from Israel

              Azerbaijan bought Spikes from a high-precision offensive, there are no analogues in the Russian Federation and the LAR system, but even then in a limited number.
              And Iskander will not solve anything in Karabakh, there are only 4 of them there and most likely under the control of the military of the Russian Federation. And even if there would be a lot of them, they will not get to Baku, since in version E, and Armenia itself is completely affected by the systems of the Azerbaijani armed forces.
              Therefore, no one will wander into the depths of officially recognized territories. Everything will be in Karabakh. Maximum adjacent areas to the conflict zone. But there is neither in Armenia nor in Azerbaijan a special concentration of people or industry.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 17 November 2016 15: 40
                0
                Quote: Yeraz
                Tell me a second country that is actively arming both sides. This is only the Russian Federation.

                I wrote why this happened. So agreed with the West that's all.
                Why do you think the West does not give lethal weapons to Ukraine and Moldova? For the same reason.
                For example, in Georgia they could not agree and the West supplied it at the most could not.
                Quote: Yeraz
                In the case of Azerbaijan, this is 80% of offensive weapons; in the case of Armenia, almost all 100%

                Are tanks a defensive or offensive weapon? Probably depending on the amount and how they are going to apply. Armenia was supplied (except for Iskander and RZSO) old weapons and in much smaller quantities, unlike the AR.
                Quote: Yeraz
                And since when is Turkey and Israel the West ??

                Turkey since about 45, and Israel since the 50s. Maybe you don’t know how much the US gives Israel free money to buy weapons? Maybe you don’t know who protects Israel?
                Only this year Turkey began to pursue a more or less independent policy.
                Quote: Yeraz
                Azerbaijan bought Spikes from a high-precision offensive, there are no analogues in the Russian Federation and the LAR system, but even then in a limited number.

                So I write about it. The West has supplied weapons that are not in the Russian Federation and which refused to be sold (like LAR).
                Quote: Yeraz
                And Iskander will not solve anything in Karabakh, there are only 4 of them there and most likely under the control of the military of the Russian Federation

                I also decide that, moreover, it is directed more against Turkey than Azerbaijan. Why then are you seething?)
                Quote: Yeraz
                And even if there would be a lot of them, they don’t get to Baku, since in version E, and Armenia itself is completely struck by the systems of the Azerbaijani armed forces.

                If the Armenians try to shoot at Baku, I think Putin will simply declare neutrality, introduce martial law at the bases and give you green light when marching on Yerevan. This is of course exaggerated, but the meaning is approximately the same.
                Quote: Yeraz
                . Everything will be in Karabakh. Maximum adjacent areas to the conflict zone.

                I still hope that you will solve this problem peacefully. Although I am on the side of the Republic of Armenia in this conflict, the Armenians are two-faced people.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 17 November 2016 16: 42
                  0
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  I wrote why this happened. So agreed with the West that's all.
                  Why do you think the West does not give lethal weapons to Ukraine and Moldova? For the same reason.

                  Fully admit.
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  Turkey since about 45, and Israel since the 50s. Maybe you don’t know how much the US gives Israel free money to buy weapons? Maybe you don’t know who protects Israel?

                  Well, Turkey has never been the West. It has been unhappily swiftly With the West.
                  And Israel geographically is the Middle East and they are always on their minds. Yes, under the patronage of the United States.
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  .Why then do you boil?)

                  I don’t boil. I know Iskander is just an advertisement for the Armenians and their reassurance.
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  Although I am in this conflict on the side of RA

                  And how to decipher it ??? RA is the Armenian Republic?
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                  2. co-creator
                    co-creator 17 November 2016 16: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    And how to decipher it ??? RA is the Armenian Republic?

                    )) Republic of Azerbaijan. On the contrary, probably it was necessary -AR, YES?

                    Quote: Yeraz
                    Well, Turkey has never been the West. It has been unhappily swiftly With the West.
                    And Israel geographically is the Middle East and they are always on their minds. Yes, under the patronage of the United States.

                    It is clear that they are not geographically West. It's just that they are highly dependent on the United States, and they cannot independently decide such decisions as the supply of weapons to "hot spots" where there are US interests.
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 17 November 2016 18: 04
                      0
                      Quotation: blooded man
                      On the contrary, probably it was necessary -AR, YES?

                      Yes, the Republic of Azerbaijan officially goes, it is among the Armenians of the RA.
                      Quotation: blooded man
                      It's just that they are highly dependent on the United States, and they cannot independently decide such decisions as the supply of weapons to "hot spots" where there are US interests.

                      Therefore, they are trying to develop their military-industrial complex in order to receive fewer instructions. Membership in NATO is binding, or rather constraining.
          2. Protos
            Protos 23 November 2016 14: 51
            0
            tales do not tell us comrade laughing
            During the collapse of the USSR, Aygerbadzhan received a very powerful RAV and a tank group, all of which was modernized by Belarus and Ukrin.
            Israel supplied Spike-LR anti-tank missile systems and Lynx MLRS, as well as Heron and Searcher unmanned aerial vehicles to Azerbaijan. take there all of Israel too.
            That, taking into account the quality and combat capability of Armenian soldiers (I remember this "quality" from TurkVO lol ) It makes no sense to them to buy complex and expensive to operate.
            And communications and precision weapons are exploited by military experts from Ukraine, Israel (Russian-speaking) and Turkey. The same applies to aviation (Georgia adapted 30 Su-25s and upgraded uraine)
      3. Giant thought
        Giant thought 17 November 2016 11: 22
        +4
        This is called - each sister earrings, Russia is arming both Azerbaijan and Armenia. Both countries are now well armed, and will be forced to fear a retaliatory strike if they show aggression. That's how the world will be saved, and our military-industrial complex gets its bonuses.
        1. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 17 November 2016 12: 05
          +3
          Giant thoughts really GIANT
          Quote: Giant thought
          This is called - each sister earrings, Russia is arming both Azerbaijan and Armenia. Both countries are now well armed, and will be forced to fear a retaliatory strike if they show aggression. That's how the world will be saved, and our military-industrial complex gets its bonuses.

          Mammad on a saber and you Vazgen on a katana. Current guys I give it to you so that you are afraid of each other and do not fight. Ahhh, but pay current for a saber Mamed immediately, but you don’t have Vazgenchik get a loan. Russia has two if I can cope with the roads once, but what about the fools? I have a suggestion to stop the war in Ukraine, we will arm to the teeth and militias and the Armed Forces. And what is the idea bad? will be afraid of each other and the war will end. TRAGICOMEDIA
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 17 November 2016 13: 16
            +2
            Get used to the Giant, he is an old starter, okromy sparing with slogans he knows nothing, it still gave out normally, it happens that you read and you won’t understand the roofing felts the newspaper editor 30 years ago.
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 17 November 2016 14: 39
            +1
            Quote: Lek3338
            ? I have a suggestion, let's stop the war in Ukraine, arm to the teeth and militias and the Armed Forces. And what is the bad idea? will be afraid of each other and the war will end

            The comparison does not roll. Azerbaijan can buy equipment in another country because you have money and therefore it is better to buy from us, and Armenia has to help out of necessity.
            If you haven’t noticed, the Russian Federation has supplied LDNR with the same weapons as Ukraine’s for parity, if the United States supplies new weapons to Kiev, the Russian Federation will deliver new LDNs.
            Do you understand the difference now?
            1. Floki
              Floki 17 November 2016 14: 44
              +1
              Quotation: blooded man
              If you haven’t noticed, the Russian Federation has supplied LDNR with the same weapons as Ukraine’s for parity, if the United States supplies new weapons to Kiev, the Russian Federation will deliver new LDNs.

              You touched the cat for rolls laughing Now they will explain to you that Russian weapons are not there! There are all of the mines and selected!
          3. Yeraz
            Yeraz 17 November 2016 14: 42
            0
            Quote: Lek3338
            Let’s have my suggestion to stop the war in Ukraine, we’ll arm to the teeth and militias and APU. And what is the idea bad? will be afraid of each other and the war will end. TRAGICOMEDIA

            By the way, such a comparison never occurred to me. Thank you, they lifted your spirits.
      4. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 17 November 2016 12: 07
        0
        "Coverage" map, who ...?
        So it is clear. Supplement with Syria. tongue
        1. Floki
          Floki 17 November 2016 12: 38
          0
          Quote: Oleg Chertkov
          So it is clear. Supplement with Syria.

          This is Iskander-E, 280 km. And then use them strictly under the direction of Moscow, otherwise they will take it away.
          1. i80186
            i80186 17 November 2016 13: 07
            0
            Quote: Floki
            This is Iskander-E, 280 km. And then use them strictly under the direction of Moscow, otherwise they will take it away.

            Well, what rocket you put, it will be so. Missiles from Mozdok for a couple of hours, you can bring for example.
            1. Floki
              Floki 17 November 2016 13: 20
              +1
              Quote: i80186
              Well, what rocket you put, it will be so. Missiles from Mozdok for a couple of hours, you can bring for example.

              Sense if there are Gauges?
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 17 November 2016 14: 43
            0
            Quote: Floki
            This is Iskander-E, 280 km. And then use them strictly under the direction of Moscow, otherwise they will take it away.

            There is such a suspicion that our specialists will service and operate it.
    2. Zibelew
      Zibelew 17 November 2016 11: 19
      +3
      Well done, he honestly admitted that from the Azeris, and not from the UFOs and Papuans of Guinea ... If they climb to Nagorno-Karabakh, they will be able to strike a preemptive strike, because, according to the wise saying, "the humpbacked grave will fix it."
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 17 November 2016 11: 28
        +2
        Well, nobody will take all of Armenia ...! 4 billion arms purchases of Azerbaijan went to dust (as I expected, purely for the parade ..))))
        I sympathize with Azerbaijan and Turkey did not help you ... Mnogokhodovka ..! wassat

        Do not worry so much ...
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 17 November 2016 11: 56
          +6
          This is not nuclear weapons, and by and large it will not help the invaders. They themselves know very well that if Iskander is used, the response will be much more effective. Iskander will not reach Baku, but ALL of Armenia, not to mention Karabakh, will be under fire, because it will already be a total war. By the way, they have had these missiles for a relatively long time, so why didn't they use them during the April battles? Yes, because they were hinted that de jure Armenia is considered unacceptable (although 95% of the dead Armenians were citizens of the Republic of Armenia) and again de jure this would mean aggression, then if the Azerbaijani Tornadoes will burst in response in the center of Yerevan, then and the CSTO will not help them. It will be considered that the Armenians were the first to start.
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 17 November 2016 12: 07
            +11
            Quote: xetai9977
            if the Azerbaijani Tornadoes are torn in response in the center of Yerevan, then the CSTO will not help them. They will believe that the Armenians were the first to start.

            Dear Colleague, the best war that has not started is if the "Tornadoes" explode in Yerevan or Gyumri. Excuse me. This is aggression against Armenia, and Russia has always fulfilled its agreements. yes If we intervene, the Turks will intervene for you, and the 3rd World War rode in all its glory, everyone might think so before starting a war. Respectfully, Colleague. hi
            1. OLD FART
              OLD FART 17 November 2016 12: 13
              +2
              Quote: vovanpain
              Dear Colleague

              He is from the special services ... The themes are grazing here ..)))) I know him ... bully
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 17 November 2016 13: 18
                +1
                Meehan is already "refreshed", but you can't just shake off the devils so frankly.
            2. xetai9977
              xetai9977 17 November 2016 14: 08
              +2
              Colleague, here I am about the same. In order for the war not to begin, the aggressor must peacefully withdraw troops from the occupied lands. then there will be peace, friendship, ice cream for children, and flowers for women. And everyone will be happy.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 17 November 2016 14: 51
                0
                Quote: xetai9977
                In order for the war not to begin, the aggressor must peacefully withdraw troops from the occupied lands. then there will be peace, friendship,

                The fact is that they consider this land to be their own Armenians and even God cannot change it.
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 17 November 2016 15: 37
                  +3
                  "Armenians consider this land"
                  They consider "theirs" everything, from Lebanon to the North Caucasus, right up to Rostov, so what? Give them?
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 17 November 2016 15: 44
                    0
                    Quote: xetai9977
                    They consider "theirs" everything, from Lebanon to the North Caucasus, right up to Rostov, so what? Give them?

                    No, of course, but it’s not easier for anyone. It is impossible to persuade them, to prove that they would peacefully leave. Is it cutting them? So it’s like the 21st century in the yard.
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 17 November 2016 17: 01
                      +1
                      Quotation: blooded man
                      Is it cutting them? So it’s like the 21st century in the yard.

                      Well, you can not cut it, but simply blow it up and burn it with high-precision weapons. But the essence is changing. What is the difference, what method to destroy ???
                      And everyone will destroy each other. It's just a matter of time. The Russian Empire broke up the massacre, the Soviets broke up the massacre. The Russian Federation will weaken again, they will begin to cut, well, or the Russian Federation will become profitable and they will begin to cut. These limits only put off, what is destined to happen, that's all.
              2. OLD FART
                OLD FART 17 November 2016 15: 04
                +1
                Quote: xetai9977
                Colleague, here I am about the same. In order for the war not to begin, the aggressor must peacefully withdraw troops from the occupied lands. then there will be peace, friendship, ice cream for children, and flowers for women. And everyone will be happy.

                Aha, now it’s straight and we get to Moscow ... How are our tanks. Even though they still work ..?
                Aliev, then a nonsense! wassat wink No offense, Azerbaijanis! hi
          2. Floki
            Floki 17 November 2016 12: 15
            +1
            Quote: xetai9977
            Tornadoes will be torn in response in the center of Yerevan

            If we take into account that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces have a good Barak-8 battery and the Green Pine radar system, then the air defense of Azerbaijan went further than the air defense of Armenia. And given that Armenia has Iskander-E with a radius of 280 km, they are only to protect the sovereignty of Armenia. For the sake of Karabakh, they are not used, Moscow will not give permission - this is one of the conditions for the supply of these systems to the Armenian armed forces.
      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 17 November 2016 12: 03
        +3
        Quote: Zibelew
        If they climb into Nagorno-Karabakh, they can inflict a preventive strike,

        Not even Armenia itself recognized Nagorno-Karabakh, or has Armenia already included the lands of Nagorno-Karabakh in its structure? So on what basis will Armenia use the Iskander if hostilities start in Nagorno-Karabakh? If Azerbaijan tries to attack Armenia, then it is clear - it has the right. But I never heard that Azerbaijan wants to attack Armenia. Azerbaijan wants to return the lands of Nagorno-Karabakh, which it considers its own. So if a war breaks out in Karabakh, Armenia has no right to use Iskander, no one attacked it, for sure it was specifically explained to the Armenians during the sale.
  2. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 17 November 2016 11: 19
    +3
    It was not worth it to give them this, of which they are allies, from scratch we ruin our relationship with Azerbaijan.
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 17 November 2016 11: 38
      +5
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      It was not worth it to give them this, of which they are allies, from scratch we ruin our relationship with Azerbaijan.

      Armenia is the only country historically devoted to Russia! And we will always protect her ...
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 17 November 2016 11: 53
        +5
        Well, well, "historically" that it is not part of the Russian Federation, it left the USSR and did not blink an eye.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 17 November 2016 12: 01
        +4
        As for historically, I doubt it .. Everything depends on those in power. By the way, there are no Russians left at all, a mono-national state. Even in Azerbaijan there is a Russian diaspora.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 17 November 2016 15: 01
          +1
          Armenia and Georgia have always been mono-national republics .... Azerbaijan, the most multinational, like Iran, by the way.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 17 November 2016 17: 02
            +1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Georgia always

            Since when ?? What period do you take ??
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 17 November 2016 18: 29
              0
              USSR if you do not take the Abkhazians.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 18 November 2016 15: 39
                0
                Quote: Zaurbek
                USSR if you do not take the Abkhazians.

                Have you forgotten Azerbaijanis in the West of Georgia, where they make up the majority of the population ???
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 21 November 2016 08: 51
                  0
                  I'm talking about the rest ...
      3. opus
        opus 17 November 2016 12: 12
        +6
        Quote: STARPER
        Armenia is the only country historically devoted to Russia! AND

        I would put it another way:
        "Armenia NOT the only country that PERIODICALLY devoted to Russia "
        This is more than true.
        Take off your pink glasses and stop drooling.
        Recent:

        Some time ago, for depriving Russia of voting rights in PACE, 148 deputies voted, 64 against. For the resolution as a whole - 160 votes, 42 - against. The Azerbaijani delegation voted in support of Russia. But the Armenians - no. They simply abstained or became ill.

        The Euronest Parliamentary Assembly on March 17 2015 in Yerevan adopted a resolution on Russia's military aggression against Ukraine. The Azerbaijani delegation did not go to Yerevan.
        “Russia is waging a war against Ukraine, as a result of which people are dying and suffering in the Donbass. Over one and a half million people became internally displaced persons as a result of armed conflict, several hundred thousand became refugees. Crimea was occupied and illegally annexed by Russia ”

        Application of the Russian company "Grozny-Avia" for the implementation of direct flights from Simferopol to Yerevan rejected. (Kakly in euphoria)
        You can dig further. There is no such thing that only +++++. Always + / -

        However, Armenians can not be blamed, we have the same stigma in the gun

        Armenian historian, writer Leo:
        “The long-suffering, devoted to slavery and annihilation working people instinctively, in a spontaneous outburst, sought salvation in the Russian campaign, met the Russian soldier as his liberator. But for this attitude he was punished heavily. His situation was getting worse when the Russian troops left occupied places and the Armenians, after a meeting of Russians with bread and salt, a cross remained face to face with their masters - the Ottomans. The wars brought Turkish Armenians massacre, migration. The process of extermination accelerated, and the adoption of Russian citizenship in the popular consciousness became more and more compulsory necessity as the only way to preserve physical existence. "
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 17 November 2016 14: 58
          +1
          Quote: opus
          His situation worsened even more when the Russian troops left occupied places and the Armenians, after the Russians met with bread and salt, remained face to face with their Ottoman masters.

          Oh, the old song of the Armenians that the Russians had to conquer Armenia for them and then get out)) Dude, the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were like Caucasians in Russia, but they wanted power and other nations would leave their land. Before you meet bread and salt, you need to think heads and understand that there is an attack and retreat on a warrior.
      4. V.ic
        V.ic 17 November 2016 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: STARPER
        Armenia is the only country historically devoted to Russia!

        ARF Dashnaktsutyun was "founded" eight years earlier than the RSDLP. A series of terrorist attacks in Moscow 1977 by the "heirs" of the Dashnaks ...
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 17 November 2016 12: 36
          +1
          Quote: V.ic
          Quote: STARPER
          Armenia is the only country historically devoted to Russia!

          ARF Dashnaktsutyun was "founded" eight years earlier than the RSDLP. A series of terrorist attacks in Moscow 1977 by the "heirs" of the Dashnaks ...

          All the same, do not argue ...!.))) bully
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 17 November 2016 19: 14
            +2
            Quote: STARPER
            All the same, do not argue ...!

            Meehan, do I need it? Just keep control of the "outlet" ...
        2. Floki
          Floki 17 November 2016 13: 07
          +3
          Led by Stepan Zatikyan, they formed a sort of “battle group“ Vrezh. ”Alexander Prokhanov described everything in his book“ Walking into the Fire. ”Better to remember how fraternal people were closing Russian schools.
      5. Floki
        Floki 17 November 2016 12: 28
        +5
        Quote: STARPER
        Armenia is the only country historically devoted to Russia! And we will always protect her ...

        And then where is the Russian population in Armenia Dear?
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 17 November 2016 12: 32
          +1
          Quote: Floki
          Quote: STARPER
          Armenia is the only country historically devoted to Russia! And we will always protect her ...

          And then where is the Russian population in Armenia Dear?

          It is always in place ... Do not worry so ..! wink
          1. Floki
            Floki 17 November 2016 12: 41
            +3
            Quote: STARPER
            It is always in place ... Do not worry so ..!

            Well proof in the studio!
            1. OLD FART
              OLD FART 17 November 2016 13: 33
              +1
              Quote: Floki
              Quote: STARPER
              It is always in place ... Do not worry so ..!

              Well proof in the studio!

              Azerbaijan is afraid of Armenia! enough ..? bully
              1. Floki
                Floki 17 November 2016 13: 55
                +4
                Quote: STARPER
                Azerbaijan is afraid of Armenia! enough ..?

                Do not turn off the conversation. You wrote that the Russian population is in place, I asked to prove. Or are you sir idle talk?
                1. OLD FART
                  OLD FART 17 November 2016 14: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Floki
                  Quote: STARPER
                  Azerbaijan is afraid of Armenia! enough ..?

                  Do not turn off the conversation. You wrote that the Russian population is in place, I asked to prove. Or are you sir idle talk?

                  Well, our military is there ... And they have very good weapons, just in case! Enough ..? By the way, this has always been there in our history ...
                  You yourself sir ... negative What do you want to hear from me, liber? Your provocation is clear! Have a rest ...
                  1. Floki
                    Floki 17 November 2016 14: 21
                    +3
                    Quote: STARPER
                    Well, our military is there ... And they have very good weapons, just in case! Enough ..? By the way, this has always been there in our history ...
                    You yourself sir ... What do you want to hear from me, Liber? Your provocation is clear! Have a rest ...

                    All clear. Pustoslov (they didn’t answer for their words, they turned off the question! What ARMY! ?? If I ask about the RUSSIAN POPULATION which according to YOUR words on the PLACE! - did it reach you?)! If you write something and pass it off as TRUTH, please prove it. And the fact that I'm a liber - proofs in the studio!
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 17 November 2016 14: 46
                      +3
                      Quote: Floki
                      All clear. Pustoslov

                      I do not understand those people who enter into a dispute with this "miracle". It is useless.
                      Do not waste your time in the future.
                      1. Floki
                        Floki 17 November 2016 15: 20
                        +5
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        I do not understand those people who enter into a dispute with this "miracle". It is useless.
                        Do not waste your time in the future.

                        Such people must be forced to prove what they write (display idle words on a clean one) - otherwise instead of 1 we get at least 2 of them. Or maybe they’ll learn to think hi
                    2. tilovaykrisa
                      tilovaykrisa 18 November 2016 08: 41
                      0
                      Look at the ace of his kamenty in various topics and understand who you are trying to lead the discussion with, he is more interested in asterisks, well, like the first ones. Among his kamenty there are enchanting things.
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 17 November 2016 14: 59
            +1
            Quote: STARPER
            It is always in place ... Do not worry so ..!

            Where?
    2. VSZMK
      VSZMK 17 November 2016 11: 52
      +2
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      It was not worth it to give them

      Armenia is a member of the CSTO, unlike Azerbaijan.
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 17 November 2016 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: VSZMK
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        It was not worth it to give them

        Armenia is a member of the CSTO, unlike Azerbaijan.

        Armenia is Baghramyan, Mikoyan, etc. Do not make us angry ...

        Well, in the bazaars they also trade ... bully
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 November 2016 11: 23
    +1
    “Russia plays a key role in our region, including in maintaining peace and stability”

    The main thing is that when you change the power in your own country, do not forget about it, as happened in some countries, especially the post-Soviet space.
  4. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 17 November 2016 11: 37
    +5
    So these are the Armenian Iskanders? Ash stump is Russia's policy. Tanks, self-propelled missile launchers for Azerbaijan, and Iskander in Armenia to destroy this accumulation of weapons. destroy each other's toys. And then they will come for new ones, and come on according to a new scheme. And what? the business is nothing personal. And the "two-faced" Americans and Europeans do not sell anything to either Az-well or Armenia. On the borders of the Russian Federation, conflicts are created by "DIVINE LOGIC.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 17 November 2016 11: 54
      +1
      I agree, Azerbaijan pays in cash and in currency.
    2. Tired
      Tired 17 November 2016 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: Lek3338
      And what? The business is nothing personal.

      If our government starts to act like this, it will only be worthy of respect. Serious things are done this way. Plus, as noted above, although Armenia is an extremely controversial "ally", it is still a member of the CSTO, while Azerbaijan is friendly primarily to Turkey and the United States.
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 17 November 2016 12: 17
        +4
        I don’t argue, Russia has the right to sell its weapons to anyone and as much as they like. But it’s not enough to pretend to be holy, and cynically blame the West for everything when Mamed shoots Vazgen with Vasya’s weapons (or vice versa)
      2. Floki
        Floki 17 November 2016 12: 54
        +2
        Quote: Tired
        USA.

        But the USA doesn’t sell weapons to Azerbaijan and has banned the Allies. This is so, for the future to you.
        1. Tired
          Tired 17 November 2016 16: 03
          +2
          US policy and economy of Azerbaijan rule (through the same USACC and not only). Therefore, together with Georgia, they dismissed the CSTO.
    3. Floki
      Floki 17 November 2016 12: 35
      +1
      Well, two wars in Chechnya were also not in vain. Let us recall the enormous sums of money that were given to restore Grozny through Menatep banks belonging to Soskavets and Kredobank Salambek Hadzhiev, but in the end only cosmetic repairs were made - only under Kadyrov things started to move. War is always money, even if the allies die - there are no saints and rightists, there is only business. And whoever claims the opposite, either does not know the topic, or a hypocrite.
    4. opus
      opus 17 November 2016 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: Lek3338
      .And "two-faced" Americans and Europeans do not sell anything to either Az-nu or Armenia. But as the ignition of the conflict is to blame, the West "on the borders of the Russian Federation, conflicts are created by" DIVINE LOGIC.

      Let's be realistic.
      1. The Russian Federation sells arms to Azerbaijan and supplies "for so" Armenia not to incite the conflict.
      This is nonsense. On the border, no one needs a conflict m / y you
      -Do not sell the RF Az weapons, sell: Israel (LAR-160 + ...), Croatia (RAK-
      12), Turkey (Kasirga), in Ukraine (“Skif”), Germany (a bit, for example HK MP5) and Belarus.
      -Industry, l / s Az are still more used to Soviet weapons
      -Selling Az a weapon, you need to cool the ardor, otherwise Az will gobble up Ar, therefore: on credit Ar. Yes, even the CSTO, and even the underbelly of the Russian Federation, etc.

      2. The United States, in principle, does not sell weapons to Azerbaijan from the first day of its independence. In 1992, then-President George W. Bush signed the “Freedom Assistance Act,” which included the famous 907 amendment to limit aid to Azerbaijan. The amendment was the result of vigorous actions of Armenian organizations, and American aid to the country, using force against Karabakh and blocking Armenia, was significantly reduced.

      Armenians in the USA: from 482 000 to 2 000 000
      Azerbaijani Americans: about 14 200
      3. Do you want Russia to fulfill the OSCE decision of 1992 of the same year?
      Then you would not have 18 howitzers 2С19 "Msta-S"
      In 2011, there was a lot of noise when one of the German companies refused the contract, as a result of which the arms could end up in Azerbaijan, moreover, through a third country. Then Azerbaijan signed an agreement with Turkey for the purchase of 36 self-propelled howitzers T-155 Firtina. The engines were supplied to them by the German company MTU Friedrichshafen, which refused to sell these engines to Baku.

      Only in the 2013 year did Germany reject the 71 application for the export of military products. Among the countries that Berlin has banned the sale of weapons, was Azerbaijan.

      in the 2014 year, France banned the supply of Russian T-90 tanks with modernized sights of French production supplied to Baku. Such sights were delivered by France to Russia until the relations of the latter with the West worsened as a result of the Ukrainian crisis.
      =================================================
      ====

      It seems to me (amateurish opinion) to you: the Armenians, Azerbaijanis, you somehow need to HIMSELF (without whispers) to sit at the table and begin to reasonably agree.
      Maybe the elders on either side will begin to calmly talk without references to the past?
      The main thing is without whispers.
      Logically, your two countries:

      must live in peace and harmony.
      And it turns out: for centuries you (us) have been bickering), impoverished, we lose people, and someone has been calm for 500 years, as cheese in butter rolls, gets richer and rakes the heat with the wrong hands.
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 17 November 2016 14: 08
        +4
        OPUS I will begin with the fact that it is always interesting to read your comments, I urge you to experienced activity.
        1 Selling, of course, cannot and not for stirring up a conflict. But this does not help the solution either.
        2 What sells to Az-well of the Russian Federation and other countries is not suitable for comparison. Tachanka Cobra Matador, etc. this will agree is not a weapon that changes balance. And sold Kasyrga and Lara is not the amount that can change the outcome of the battle.
        3Yes, I want Russia not to sell the wrong weapons, even join forces to prevent the sale of Turkey and Israel, at least a call.
        I will be extremely open personally to me, a citizen of Az-nah, I don’t need this Karabakh for the nation. If he is returned, I know that all kinds of Yerazi in power will happen, they will give the country money for recovery. And most of the refugees will not return there , everything is just neither work nor infrastructure. And here in Baku they seized the houses of the missing Baku people, kindergartens, schools, port buildings and no documents from them, they don’t have to pay for the utility bills. The traffic police will stop asking why they don’t fasten. So I’m a refugee right away, I’m a refugee, I’m a veteran, although at the word, most of the Armenians go, they draped leaving their homes. What am I for?
        My friends' acquaintances died in April, I’m afraid tomorrow there will be no mine with whom I sat in a cafe yesterday. I feel sick from Az-chauvinism, from Armenian chauvinism, all the more knowing that neither Armenians nor Az-ts are indigenous to Karabakh. The Armenians are sitting remaking the crosses of the Albanian churches, the Az-ts say we are the Turks, coming up with new tribes supposedly Turkic, although no one else heard about these tribes in the days of Albania. In short, the circus. The insanity that the Armenians, that the Az-ts alone say Ararat will return , the second ones say Derbent Bizimdir, Borchaly Bizimdir, Iran Bizimdir, Yerevan Bizimdir. And if Armenians have the opportunity, half of the world will tell us. In this pun, where two foreign peoples are fighting for the Caucasus, the migrants are Armenians and nomadic Turks I DO NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE I don’t want to. So I think the solution to this conflict should be peaceful. But as long as the Russian Federation does business it does not go to the resolution of the conflict. Without intervention from outside, the solution is not possible. But by its actions the Russian Federation loses confidence in both Armenians and people of Azerbaijan. Neither the US nor Turkey cannot somehow affect both sides, except for the Russian Federation no one can.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 17 November 2016 14: 59
          +1
          Quote: Lek3338
          not az-tsu by nation

          Yes, there is no such nationality. This is a passport affiliation and you are the same Azerbaijani as anyone with a GREEN passport. Enough of this deception to us. The Türks will totally return their name.
          Quote: Lek3338
          .If he is returned, I know that all sorts of Erazy in power will happen, they will give the country money for restoration

          Well, not only them. And secondly, that the Lezgins in power or the Talysh would behave differently in power ??? No. Just the same. Since, as it were, different peoples in Azerbaijan did not differ in blood, but the psycho-thinking is the same.

          Quote: Lek3338
          .A majority of the refugees will not return there, everything is just neither work nor infrastructure

          Well, it would be foolish to initially go back to where there is NOTHING. So many more mines to come clean in these lands. During this time, the whole generation born there will die, and the new one except Baku did not see anything. This is normal, and not that refugees not normal.
          Quote: Lek3338
          And here in Baku they seized the homes of the missing Baku people at that time

          Well, personally, the Erazy mostly bartered their homes in Armenia.
          Quote: Lek3338
          Without intervention from outside, a solution is not possible

          Without defeating one of the parties, no one will be able to force Armenia and Azerbaijan to sign an agreement. Even the great Ilham will be quickly removed from the throne if he decides to do so.
          Quote: Lek3338
          I'm sick of Az chauvinism, Armenian chauvinism
          1. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 17 November 2016 16: 29
            +1
            Oh, if the Lezgins were like Yeraz, Graz and Nakhchivan. I really envy. Will you go to Ganja, what was your measure Lezgin? They will say he’s gone, but we still swear his head, about Kishine’s hell ichirik. I know almost everyone more or less famous Lezgins. And I will be honest I know the two heads of large companies in the Lezghin nation who are engaged in nepotism ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. You will name three of you. Even Sulik has the entire Avars circle, other nations except his fellow countrymen. etc.
            2 Remember, refugees are all abnormal in their majority. I don’t want to offend, I always have an exception, but the psychology of the matter is this. Lezgin refugees who went leaving Russia home to Russia are also abnormal. They always criticize, they think their heart burns for their homeland and so on. .This psychology is the stigma of a refugee, a migrant is bearing fruit.
            YOU overestimate the capabilities of the Az-people, if the people are vparil something that EVERYTHING LOSSES without them (Aliyev) then you can vparit anything.
            I’ll tell you a parable. The Persian Shaz conquered the Caucasus, calls Vezir and asks what nations live in my new possessions?
            The shah says bringing the az-ts of the Turk. I heard you scolded my late father? The Turk says you are the Shah, my father was your father’s servant, I serve you and I will serve.
            Bring the Armenian to the same question from the Shah. The answer of the Armenian peasant. You that my father helped the Shah to conquer these possessions and I helped you.
            At the end, bring a Lezgin choban and that same question. I heard you scolded my father? Lezgin choban grabs his dagger and asks the answer question. Shah, tell me from whom you heard this? HERE such Az-tsy characters served the Persians, Armenians always used cunning everyone who came. And Lezgins are categorical and do not rummage in politics. But among the Persians the proverb is if the shah is stupid to go to war with Lezgins. Once all military commanders made themselves known the peoples of the Caucasus called Lezgins But the times are different, politicians need cunning people at the head. But Russia and Armenia and Az-an use us. On their lands, Russia does not ask us to transfer the villages to Az-well. On their land they are divided into two parts. Leznin Samur provides water to Baku Derbent and its crops are without water. Yuzhdag is the only place in Dagestan where radical Islam was not distributed. But alas, on the contrary, the development of radicalism
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 17 November 2016 16: 53
              0
              Quote: Lek3338
              Oh, if Lezgins were like Yerazov, Graz and Nakhchivan.

              Well, the excesses on this list are superfluous. They can’t be close to Yerazy and Nychchivans. Skolsky and cowardly. Well and thieves)))))

              Quote: Lek3338
              YOU overestimate the capabilities of the Az-people, if the people are vparil something that EVERYTHING LOSSES without them (Aliyev) then you can vparit anything.

              No, I just know the red line of my people and this moment is that line.
              Quote: Lek3338
              HERE, such characters of Az-ts served the Persians, Armenians always used cunning all who came

              what other Persians ??? Iran was ruled for 1000 years by the TURK Dynasties and the army was from the Türks.
              Quote: Lek3338
              Lezgins are categorical and don’t rummage in politics

              I don’t think so much about that. I will not call Chechens and Avars compared to Türks cunning. But they take leadership in their areas of residence. Why can the Lezgins not achieve the same in Dagestan ?? I think the matter is simply passivity and cohesion. And having a smaller number in Azerbaijan, they are still more represented in power than if we take their percentage ratio in Dagestan to the posts held by them. They are more integrated in Azerbaijan, whether we like it or not, but still in Azerbaijan there is a special atmosphere, a general behavioral type and thinking. Even the Lezgins of Dagestan differ from the others in Dagestan. Dargins, Avars, and even Kumyks feel when communicating that they are from the same cultural field, with Lezgins, on the contrary, this is the cultural field of Azerbaijan, even being in Dagestan with fierce propaganda of Wahhabism is very much It’s not in vain behind them in Dagestan azerov called.
              The creator of Rasulzadeh, Tatom, was a fierce nationalist of Azerbaijan. There is no such community in Dagestan, they are trying to create on the basis of Wahhabism, but this is a disastrous path and will only lead to collapse.
              1. Lekxnumx
                Lekxnumx 17 November 2016 18: 45
                +1
                In Dagestan, Lezgins are called Azeris? No, it is Tabasarans who call them Az-ts, they almost abandoned their language for the sake of Az. There were times after the 90s, some Lezgins were ashamed of their nationality, mainly in Baku the pressure was psychological due to the events of that time. The Dagestani Lezgins have always treated the Az-ts with hostility, at the same time most of the Az-ts of Dag were ashamed of their nationality and called themselves Tabasarans. I met a lot of such Az-ts, only one drunk admitted that the Az-ts actually did. they were psychologically crushed by the Dagestani Lezgins, the political situation was like that. Times changed when I was still studying, T-shirts with inscriptions in Baku went into fashion, whoever of my generation would not let me lie. It seemed that all of Baku sometimes had a Chechen's haircut, the Caucasian version was popular then with inscriptions " Lezgin "" Dagestan "there are polls on YouTube. They walk and ask why the az-ts go with the words" Dagestan "? before it came to the conclusion that the poll was carried out. This fashion was introduced to them The Lezgins, the times when the Lezgins were embarrassed by their nationality, passed, the new generation, on the contrary, wanted and was proud of it. I know the Neftchala Ismayilli guys who studied with me, who were not Lezgins, said that they were Lezgins. It got to the point that people in Baku spread a parasha who walks with T-shirts Dagestan will be fined Then this fashion passed and felling pants, licked hair, bangs up, came to the Turkish style. At the same time, the Az-people of Dagestan ceased to be ashamed of their nationality, but they mixed so much with the Tabasarans. What now in Dag the Tabasaran in Az-ski prefers to say what back to Dagestan, if you open Google in Dagestan, they stamp articles after articles about Lezgin nationalism. Yes, we are not like other peoples of Dagestan, we have always lived in our own BUT. Lezgin will quickly find a common language with other Dagestan peoples than let's say az-nets. Religion Sunnism, the form of thinking is closer to the mountainous. Caucasians do not kiss when they meet as Turks, Az-tsy Turks do, do not sit in a teahouse when they look at the Az-tsev, they are a little perplexed. and outwardly we are not more similar to the fair-haired, the Armenian and the Az-nets are more similar to each other than the Lezghins are more similar to them, genetics also confirms this. You say that we are more represented in power. What in Dagestan? No offense, but this is nonsense, let me list Lezgins in power and I am in Dagestan. Chechens very often speak flatteringly about Dagestanis, but Lezgins are sometimes taken out of this list. And Lezgins of Dagestan never az-tsa, az- They don’t call it a tsIapash (I will not translate a ban, you can collapse) This is me to the fact that in Moscow you are migrants, all Caucasians may and seem to be the same and so on. But on the ground, things are completely different. Lezgins with Az-ts are not similar in blood neither outwardly, nor in thinking, there are similarities in language and culture. Our guttural language is not at all similar in concept, but there are common Persian words which are in bulk in your language. There are also Turkic words, but there are fewer of them than Persian ones.
                1. Lekxnumx
                  Lekxnumx 17 November 2016 18: 54
                  +1
                  Grazi is good because they work and live in large families. A relative is going to first buy a car to one relative, then to the second, third. If they make a wedding, go to the restaurant where the owner has his countryman. They are very developed cronyism.
                  Lezgins are not united for only one reason, the political situation is such that they are fragmented by the border, some for the Az-tsev, others for the Armenians, others for joining the Russian Federation, and fourth for autonomy. And this fragmentation in this nation was led by political organizations that are essentially mankurts and work for the interests of certain special services, Russian, or Armenian.
                2. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 18 November 2016 15: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Lek3338
                  In Dagestan, are Lezgins called Azeri? No, they are called Tabasarans by Az-tsami, they almost abandoned their language to please the Az

                  There is no Lezgin. At first, I encountered this phenomenon in Dagestan resources.
                  Then in life. Dagestanis among themselves even have such a saying-Avars are the strength of Dagestan, Kumyks are the beauty of Dagestan, Dargins are the wealth of Dagestan, and Lezgins are a disgrace to DagestanWell and further there is a separation between themselves in Dagestan, for example, the Northern Kumyks consider themselves True Kumyks, and the Southern Kumyks mixed. The Southern Kumyks are real and outwardly more a mixture of Azerbaijani and Persian and the language is something between Turkish and Azerbaijani. And the northern Kumyks like Türkic words, but purely in the Avar or Chechen dialect it seems to be a conversation. But the differences between the Tabasaran and Lezgin I saw only in one thing, purely visual it was specifically the Azerbaijan character and the names are purely from the Azerbaijan series, and in all other respects the same Lezghins with a clear predominance of the Azerbaijani component.

                  Quote: Lek3338
                  I know the Neftechalin Ismayilli guys who studied with me, not being Lezgins, they said they were Lezgins.

                  But they are still those types. They pull them wherever you want. In Russia they are pulled from one madhhab to another at a time. Generally, minus the Yerazovs, Nakhchivans, Talyshs, Shamkirs and Ganjivans, everyone else is very unstable, hammer and pull wherever you want.
                  Quote: Lek3338
                  . What is now in Dag, the Tabasaranian in Az-ski prefers to speak than in his native language

                  The lezgins with whom I met, it was the young generation of 22-23 years old, well, to the extreme, they understood Azerbaijani.
        2. opus
          opus 20 November 2016 17: 36
          +1
          Quote: Lek3338
          The Armenians are sitting redoing the crosses of the Albanian churches, the Az-ts say we are Turks, come up with new tribes supposedly Turkic

          Informative.
          THX.
          Touched the string, delve into the question
    5. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 November 2016 15: 03
      +1
      ... all the talk is in favor of the poor, one should not "cry", but do things.
    6. co-creator
      co-creator 17 November 2016 15: 13
      0
      Quote: Lek3338
      . In the future, it’s generally ideal for the Russian Federation the war in Karabakh, to destroy toys for each other.

      So do not fight, what is the question?



      Quote: Lek3338
      And the "two-faced" Americans and Europeans do not sell anything to either Az-well or Armenia. But as the inflammation of the conflict is to blame, the West "on the borders of the Russian Federation, conflicts create" DIVINE LOGIC.

      What Israel did not supply you with precision weapons that the Russian Federation refused to deliver?
      The US does not sell, because we sell. The usual treaty between the two powers.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 17 November 2016 15: 24
        +3
        Quotation: blooded man
        So do not fight, what is the question?

        Well, why did you introduce the Polite People Crimea, what are you fighting in Donbas? Are you fighting in faraway Syria. And you say not to fight for 20% of the lands in Azerbaijan. I have always been struck by this in the Russians, you are not fighting, and Japan is ready to enter into the nuclear apocalypse for 0.0000000000000001% of the territory , where the people of the total number of residents of the Russian Federation also 0.00000000000001%))))
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 17 November 2016 15: 42
          +1
          This is called not seeing the beam in your own eye, but noticing the dirty linen in someone else's. Themselves do not want to give Japan 2 rocks in the ocean. and we are "advised" to give the aggressor 20% of our territory))
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 17 November 2016 16: 04
            0
            And here, whether we want it or not, it’s the territory of the state .. And do not hesitate, when the state weakened, as it went in the 90s there would already be no islands .. and not only them.
        2. co-creator
          co-creator 17 November 2016 15: 54
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          And tell Azerbaijan not to fight for 20% of the land.

          No, I urge not to blame the Russian Federation for this. War is your PERSONAL decision. We are always responsible for our wars and speak as we are.
          Between Azerbaijan and Armenia, the Russian Federation created military parity so that one country could not make a blitz krieg against another. This is the only thing that the Russian Federation could do to cool hotheads. You now understand that the war will be bloody and whether or not to start it is your responsibility.
          P.S. Of course, you can’t give your land to the enemy, another conversation is that NG should be given the rights of a confederation or like Chechnya in the Russian Federation. Are you ready for it?
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 17 November 2016 16: 58
            0
            Quotation: blooded man
            No, I urge not to blame the RF for this

            Quotation: blooded man
            Between Azerbaijan and Armenia, the Russian Federation created military parity so that one country could not make a blitz krieg against another

            This calls Russia a hindrance to the return of Azerbaijani lands. And while doing this, say no need to blame.
            The question is what do you think is in your national interests, but it contradicts the national interests of Azerbaijan. In fact, the Russian Federation is in the way. It’s just not necessary to say that it’s a pity for the Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
            It’s just not profitable for Russia. The people infuriate that America is climbing and saying this because of democracy and supposedly they are thinking about the people, Russia is climbing they say for justice, Iran is climbing everywhere with Islam, tearing the fifth point for the Sunni Palestinians and spitting on them to kill the Shiites of Azerbaijanis . That's what annoys me in such countries, trying to get their interests trying to show supposedly for the good.
            No, my country is my interests and EVERYTHING. If you say so, I won’t be indignant because it is YOUR legal right. You don’t have to think about me or anything else. That's all.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 17 November 2016 17: 45
              0
              Quote: Yeraz
              This calls Russia a hindrance to the return of Azerbaijani lands. And while doing this, say no need to blame.

              It interferes with the MILITARY path. That is, the Russian Federation does not need a war in the Caucasus Is it bad? We are for the world, what is the claim.
              I agree that a way to stop the war by arming both sides to put it mildly is bad. But I personally do not see another way.


              Quote: Yeraz
              The question is what do you think is in your national interests, but it contradicts the national interests of Azerbaijan. In fact, the Russian Federation is in the way. It’s just not necessary to say that it’s a pity for the Armenians and Azerbaijanis.

              I doubt that AR is profitable TODAY. RF, this is definitely not necessary. Peace is needed, ideally if Nagorno-Karabakh becomes Azerbaijan again, but where the Armenians live, it will be like it was in South Ossetia until 2008. Does this contradict the interests of Azerbaijan?
              It's another matter that we became "hostages" of the decision of the 90s to leave the military base in Armenia. For today we cannot leave there, period.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 17 November 2016 18: 11
                0
                Quotation: blooded man
                I doubt that AR is profitable TODAY.

                It is beneficial to her at any moment if there is neutrality in Russia. The Armenians themselves will turn on the back realizing that they were left alone.
                Quotation: blooded man
                Peace is needed, ideally if Nagorno-Karabakh becomes Azerbaijan again, but where the Armenians live, it will be like it was in South Ossetia until 2008. Does this contradict the interests of Azerbaijan?

                Armenians will be able to stay in Karabakh only if they voluntarily surrender Karabakh, they won’t be there by military means. The peaceful population will immediately leave the territories voluntarily, since everyone understands the level of hatred at such a level that the soldier on the field with arms in his hands will not care what Aliyev says or Europe, the civilian population will be destroyed, Khojaly is remembered by the Armenians too, so the civilian population will immediately run away.
                Quotation: blooded man
                It's another matter that we became "hostages" of the decision of the 90s to leave the military base in Armenia. For today we cannot leave there, period.

                Yes, a concrete geopolitical shift in this region should happen. A closer shift in relations with Turkey, when you can give a damn about the base in Armenia and calmly transfer it partially to Nakhchivan, which is even closer to the Middle East than Gyumri and continental Azerbaijan.
                But it is unlikely Turkey is still in NATO.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 17 November 2016 19: 37
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                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Armenians will be able to stay in Karabakh only in case of voluntary surrender of Karabakh,

                  On what conditions do you accept this change? Do you agree that where the Armenians compactly live, there will be its own police, court, prosecutor's office, local laws, local police (militia), local elections, local government. Moreover, all this Baku will only be controlled formally and making sure that there are no Armenian nationalists and those who will be for separatism. In short, almost everything that Transnistria has now.
                  Are such conditions suitable for AR?
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 18 November 2016 16: 06
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                    Quotation: blooded man
                    Are such conditions suitable for AR?

                    Of course, everyone will be 100% in arms and legs for the Elite, the people will be against the minority, but the majority will support. Just Nagorno-Karabakh itself is small, but the lands captured around Nagorno-Karabakh are large. Only Azerbaijanis lived there. There will be no problems at all in these lands due to the lack of Armenians.
                    And officially in the Nagorno-Karabakh itself, 150 thousand, actually less since who is on earnings, who is in Armenia itself, well, let’s take it that all 150 thousand live permanently in Karabakh. If you believe Vicky, there were 50 thousand Azerbaijanis. Almost 10 million Azerbaijan Nagorno-Karabakh with a population of 150 surrounded by purely Azerbaijani regions does not pose ANY threat. Let them have their own, these are not Kurds who, among 80 million people, have populations from 10 to 20 million in huge territories of Turkey, but also on the other side borders, almost from only their relatives.
                    But such a solution will not suit either the Russian Federation (and I spoke at what geopolitical shift Russia will solve this problem) Nor Iran, since all the Power of the Azerbaijan State is directed to ?? Is it right to solve the Karabakh problem, only this is the agenda, will it disappear, which one will appear? Correctly Turki of Iran.
                    And the United States is not profitable because the United States surrounds Turkey with all sorts of conflicts, scattering its power, and the Karabakh problem is solved and the border opens and the problem of a military clash between Azerbaijan and Armenia disappears, where Turkey will be forced to participate under various forms.
                    And that Azerbaijan, which is an ally of the Russian Federation and, unlike other allies of the Russian Federation, does not subsidize it, and with the direction of the Russian Federation will be good support for the Russian Federation in affairs in the South.
                    But you yourself see so much of everything here that to believe in a peaceful solution to all of this will be fantastic. I still expect a military conflict, hoping for the conditions that you proposed))
  5. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 17 November 2016 12: 21
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    I think now Azerbaijan will deploy American missile and radar systems in Gabala on its territory under the pretext of protection against Armenian ballistic missiles. Negotiations are already underway as they learned from Azerbaijan until they are advertised. We get American missile defense right at the borders. The unreasonable step was to give Iskenders to the Armenians.
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 17 November 2016 12: 33
      +1
      Quote: RuslanNN
      I think now Azerbaijan will deploy American missile and radar systems in Gabala on its territory under the pretext of protection against Armenian ballistic missiles. Negotiations are already underway as they learned from Azerbaijan until they are advertised. We get American missile defense right at the borders. The unreasonable step was to give Iskenders to the Armenians.

      Well, let's at least nuclear weapons from Israel ...))) It is useless gentlemen! hi
    2. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 17 November 2016 12: 34
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      Is it curious that the Iskander intercept missiles?)))
      1. Floki
        Floki 17 November 2016 12: 45
        +1
        Quote: cariperpaint
        Is it curious that the Iskander intercept missiles?)))

        Well, of course! The analog is NOT (forgot about Pershing?)! But then, what does Moscow shake when the Americans in eastern Europe install missile defense? laughing
    3. opus
      opus 17 November 2016 12: 46
      +1
      Quote: RuslanNN
      I think now Azerbaijan

      It will not happen.
      “Act to Promote Freedom”, the 907-th amendment on limiting aid to Azerbaijan — those who have not canceled in the US and will not.
      2012 information about Baku’s intention to acquire surveillance equipment (in the USA) for MI-35M helicopters, supposedly to control the border with Iran.
      (In June 2012, the State Department removed Azerbaijan from the list of countries eligible to purchase helicopters and related equipment in the United States: On May 29, Berman contacted Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that military equipment purchased by Azerbaijan could be used against Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh).

      alles. Even "against Iran," not even the Longbow radar weapon control system, but just an improved analogue of the gyro-stabilized optical-electronic station GOES-324.
      so that
    4. Yeraz
      Yeraz 17 November 2016 15: 02
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      Quote: RuslanNN
      I think now Azerbaijan will deploy American missile and radar systems in Gabala on its territory under the pretext of protection against Armenian ballistic missiles. Negotiations are already underway as they learned from Azerbaijan until they are advertised

      This is a duck. The level of relations between the US and Azerbaijan is low. What for is Azerbaijan? Neither politically nor militarily it is needed. Karabakh is not a huge expanse. It is not necessary to demonize 4 Iskander complexes with a range of 280 km, which really will not reach Baku, provided that Armenia is totally hit by systems in the presence of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. Stupidly from Nakhchivan to Yerevan 80 km.
    5. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 November 2016 16: 08
      0
      It may well be ... But then the statehood of Azerbaijan may come into question ... we do not need radars. If the example of Ukraine does not teach anyone anything, then post it .. On the one hand, Russia will not be happy, but on the other Iran, on the third Armenia with the disputed territory of the NKR .... We need to calculate everything and make moves and not believe in fairy tales ..
  6. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 17 November 2016 12: 30
    +1
    The deployment of Iskander complexes in Armenia is aimed at maintaining stability in the region.

    This measure was taken solely to protect Russia's greatest friend, almost brother - Erdogan. So that our friend sleeps calmly and soundly, knowing that he is under Iskander's reliable "umbrella". So that he is not tormented by all sorts of restless thoughts about the Ottoman Empire, about free oil, about the annexation of Syrian territories, etc. And I also think he is doubly pleased to know that the foundation of the "umbrella" is located on the territory of residence of his even closer Armenian friends and admirers of his presidential talent.
    Baref jes, Erdogan.
  7. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 17 November 2016 12: 54
    0
    Quote: opus
    Quote: RuslanNN
    I think now Azerbaijan

    It will not happen.
    “Act to Promote Freedom”, the 907-th amendment on limiting aid to Azerbaijan — those who have not canceled in the US and will not.
    2012 information about Baku’s intention to acquire surveillance equipment (in the USA) for MI-35M helicopters, supposedly to control the border with Iran.
    (In June 2012, the State Department removed Azerbaijan from the list of countries eligible to purchase helicopters and related equipment in the United States: On May 29, Berman contacted Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that military equipment purchased by Azerbaijan could be used against Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh).

    alles. Even "against Iran," not even the Longbow radar weapon control system, but just an improved analogue of the gyro-stabilized optical-electronic station GOES-324.
    so that

    Well, how Americans fundamentally change their minds, we have seen more than once. God grant that this does not come true, but still .....
    1. opus
      opus 17 November 2016 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Well, how Americans are fundamentally changing


      Quote: opus
      Armenians in the USA: from 482 000 to 2 000 000
      Azerbaijani Americans: about 14 200

      In Congress and the State Department are not crazy.
      14 of thousands of votes and either 500 000, or 2 000 000?

      Moreover, what came to Azerbaijan, then consider it studied by Iran.
      Azerbaijanis live in Iran being the second largest population of the country, and several hundred thousand Talysh, linguistically close to the Persians.


      For many centuries, these two countries and two peoples (Persians and Azerbaijanis) were part of one state. Do not get away from this
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 17 November 2016 14: 28
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        "For many centuries, these two countries and two peoples (Persians and Azerbaijanis) were part of one state. There is no getting away from this."
        Well yes. They lived in the Safavid Empire, where the state language was Turkic. In fact, Persia was rather Turkic for almost 800 years, and was ruled by Turkic dynasties (Iranian Azerbaijanis rightly call themselves “Turks” and not “Azerbaijanis”, which we “became” in the 30s under Stalin.). And always the Persians and the Turks fiercely hated each other.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 17 November 2016 15: 05
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          And more Azerbaijanis live in Iran than in Azerbaijan itself.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 17 November 2016 15: 47
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            Yes. At least 20-25 million Türks. And everyone knows that. Do not look at false statistics. The Iranians themselves are laughing at the corrected numbers. In Tehran, you can safely do without a translator
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 17 November 2016 16: 01
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              ... And by the way, the largest community of Jews outside of Israel.
        2. co-creator
          co-creator 17 November 2016 15: 17
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          Quote: xetai9977
          And always the Persians and Turks fiercely hated each other.

          This is a lie. TENSION was sometimes, but no more.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 17 November 2016 15: 45
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            lies?))) will you teach us? Every second of ours has relatives there. Almost every year there is national unrest
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 17 November 2016 16: 08
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              If Azeri hated the Persians, then there would have long been a second Kurdistan. Nature allows 99% of the Turks in the northern regions. There is no unrest happening, but rather a struggle for their rights. For example, before it was impossible to teach in schools in the native language, now it is possible. Well and so on. A common thing for countries where two nations coexist peacefully. Hate is not there.

              ps By the way, I read that in Iran not all Türks consider themselves to be one people and some nationalities are more pro-Persian than Protyurk. So is it or not?
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 17 November 2016 17: 07
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                Quotation: blooded man
                If Azeri hated the Persians, then there would have long been second Kurdistan

                Wrong comparison. Since the Azerbaijanis (in Iran they all call themselves Turks) ruled Iran for 1000 years. And even now Ayatollah is Azerbaijani. Therefore, there will be no collapse, since the Turks are represented at all levels of government, at the highest plus Shiite unity.
                What do you think put the Chechens in the power of the Russian Federation, they will allow the separation of the Chechen Republic from the Russian Federation ?? Never in my life.
                Quotation: blooded man
                By the way, I read that in Iran not all Türks consider themselves to be one people and some nationalities are more pro-Persian than Protyurk. So is it or not?

                let's say not about the Persians, but about the Shiites or more about the Turks. That is, which beginning is more important, Ethnic or Religious. This is what separates the Türks.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 17 November 2016 20: 13
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                  Quote: Yeraz
                  let's say not about the Persians, but about the Shiites or more about the Turks. That is, which beginning is more important, Ethnic or Religious. This is what separates the Türks.

                  So you are Shiite Azerbaijanis, but you are reaching for Turkey, not Iran. Does this mean that your ethnicity is stronger than religious?
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 18 November 2016 18: 11
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                    Quotation: blooded man
                    So you are Shiite Azerbaijanis, but you are reaching for Turkey, not Iran. Does this mean that your ethnicity is stronger than religious?

                    Thanks to the Soviet Union, our religious beginning has slipped to zero. But here one thing needs to be understood, we are the northernmost part of big Azerbaijan, we have a conflict with the Armenians for a long time, and if Southerners Azerbaijanis were more in contact with the Persians, we are less northerners, only in the region of Baku and around Ganja
                    Where we lived were typical Türkic tribes and in the best years of Islam, he, like other Türks, was at the checkmark level and at ceremonial moments. I always said we should say thanks to the Armenians thanks to whom the nation was ahead.
                    And we don’t forget the help of the Turkish army in creating the ADR (Azerbaijan Democratic Republic) when the Armenians slaughtered everyone in the country and Jews and Türks and Lezgins. At that time, our number was not there, as now, when we are more. This is in Soviet times, we the numbers grew, since we remained the rural population in the majority, and the Armenians had more urban.
                    And the salvation of the Turkish army left a strong imprint in the mind.
                    And Azerbaijan, by its mere existence, is increasing protyur mood in Iran.
                    Last month, a TURSK faction was created in the Iranian parliament, the Persians were excited. Of all the Türkic peoples in Iran, only residents of the Azerbaijani regions call themselves Türks (no one ever called themselves Azerbaijanis there, as in Soviet Azerbaijan, it was Stalin who taught everyone that) the rest of Kashkai and Turkmens, consider themselves Türks, but they call Kayshkai and Turkmens and now they are also being pulled, pushing forward only the Türkic beginning, discarding the local origin.
                    Well, the Pan-Turkists of Azerbaijan just do not sit, the more the generation that has breathed air into the USSR leaves the world, the more Turkists.
                    1. co-creator
                      co-creator 19 November 2016 16: 58
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                      Quote: Yeraz
                      Kashkai and Turkmens, consider themselves Türks, but they call Kayshkay and Turkmens and now they are also pulled, pushing forward only the Türkic beginning, discarding the small-town beginning.

                      Stop. The Turks are not one nationality, but a common "tribe". The same as for example the Slavs. If the Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians are one people (artificially divided), then for example Poles, Czechs and Serbs are already another people. But at the same time we are all Slavs together.
                      The same with the Turks. Turkmens, Kazakhs have their own language, their traditions, unlike the Turks, but at the same time they are Turkic tribes. Therefore, Turkmens are not equal to Turks. Pan-Turkism is not equal to one nation.
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 19 November 2016 19: 44
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                        Quotation: blooded man
                        Stop. The Turks are not one nationality, but a common "tribe".

                        No, we always called ourselves Turks (Türks) and the languages ​​were identical. You could easily pass through Eurasia without experiencing problems with the language.
                        The problems began when the lands were conquered by Russia and the worst by the Soviets. Here these artificial nations began to create languages. And if in the 20th century Turk could talk to anyone on the go in Kazakhstan, now he should live there for a month.
                        Almost the same with Azerbaijan and Turkey, though Atatürk’s fault with his reform of the language is here. If you go to the east of Turkey, then the Kurds speak Turkish, like Azerbaijani and the Turks from the mountains are the same, but the city is different, but it is equally understandable, since we are so 1 people that even these reforms have conditionally reduced understanding from 100% to 80-90%. Now the reverse process is underway, since there is no curtain and we communicate and drive.
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        The same with the Turks. Turkmen, Kazakhs have their own language, their traditions, unlike the Turks

                        Yes, even within these peoples, some are very different from others. Stupidly, we take the Kyrgyz, the North and the South, they hate each other and are very different, Some are Russified, others are not. And this has been achieved in 70 years. Does this mean that they have become different? Temporarily yes, but the process can go in the opposite direction to the Origins.
                        On our lands, until 1934, before the decree of Stalin, everyone called themselves TURKS, in Iran they still call themselves that. But that doesn’t mean we are now a different people, but in Iran. There is no one people. If it weren’t for the Aliyev family, Turkization It would be much faster. But there is the Aliyev family that does not allow Turkization to advance and is supported by the Russian Federation, there is Iran, which also promotes the Shiite principle, there is the Caucasian principle, we are all Caucasians, because you cannot ignore Lezgin and Azerbaijanis in Dagestan. Plus Wahhabism , who also calls for unification, because you have to be an idiot to abandon Azerbaijan, the only independent and most numerous Muslim education in the Caucasus, and Islamist is at the head of Turkey)))
                        That is, everything happens through obstacles, which radicalizes Turkism and radicalizes the educated. The majority of Panturkists are educated, purposeful and not the most religious people. And these are 99% young people and they do not recognize the old Panturkists, because they consider them weak and weak-willed.
                        And all this will explode when the generation of the Soviet Union becomes critically small, then the bombing and little will not seem.
                        In Azerbaijan, a Legion detachment was created from the Panturkists, who went to beat homosexuals, girls who dishonored their behavior with the mentality, those who insulted Azerbaijan on the Internet, Turkism, etc.
                        The state in all of them closed for a short while, now it seems to have been created and it will, with complete autocracy, if this power weakens, it will not just be a fist fight, but an armed rebuff. on a moderate path is almost impossible.
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 17 November 2016 18: 32
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                Azerbaijanis are not Kurds ...
  8. Karaul73
    Karaul73 17 November 2016 13: 34
    +1
    Quote: STARPER
    Quote: vovanpain
    Dear Colleague

    He is from the special services ... The themes are grazing here ..)))) I know him ... bully

    Are you one of these too?
    1. Floki
      Floki 17 November 2016 13: 57
      +2
      he is just STARPER, writes what he himself does not understand and cannot explain laughing The posts above are proof of this type of idle talk.
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 17 November 2016 14: 15
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        Quote: Floki
        he is just STARPER, writes what he himself does not understand and cannot explain laughing The posts above are proof of this type of idle talk.

        Well, well ... Don't you blame me? I’m tired already of how you write and explain ... I tell liberals and whiners right away, I can’t stand it! I take you to these ... Write on! negative
        1. Floki
          Floki 17 November 2016 14: 27
          +1
          Quote: STARPER
          Well, well ... Don't you blame me? I’m tired already of how you write and explain ... I tell liberals and whiners right away, I can’t stand it! I take you to these ... Write on!

          And once again I write for you - if something you pass off as the TRUTH - prove it! but you persistently turn off the topic, including a fool. wassat If I’m not right somewhere - explain, because I’m explaining to you where you are wrong - you are telling me something else. You are one of those people who spit in the face, and you still thank them for that with a smile. They proved to you that the Russians in Armenia after the collapse of the USSR decreased by 5 times, of the total population of Armenia 0,3% were Russians, and then in 2011! And compare how many Russians are in Azerbaijan! Follow the news, the Euronest Parliamentary Assembly on March 17, 2015 in Yerevan, adopted a resolution "On the military aggression of Russia against Ukraine."
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 17 November 2016 14: 34
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        Do not pay attention to this "old man". Doesn't deserve.
  9. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 09: 40
    +1
    Quote: Floki
    Quote: Oleg Chertkov
    So it is clear. Supplement with Syria.

    This is Iskander-E, 280 km. And then use them strictly under the direction of Moscow, otherwise they will take it away.



    Prior to the April events, Iskander E was in the arsenal of the Armenian Armed Forces, and Iskander M was at the parade. I think they are precisely controlled by the Russian side.
  10. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 09: 53
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    Colleague, here I am about the same. In order for the war not to begin, the aggressor must peacefully withdraw troops from the occupied lands. then there will be peace, friendship, ice cream for children, and flowers for women. And everyone will be happy.

    You know very well that Armenia will not leave Artsakh, because it means the death of Armenia itself ... The only thing is conversations around and around. But there was no friendship, and there will not be, unfortunately. You are claiming for Yerevan.
  11. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 10: 10
    +2
    Quote: xetai9977
    "Armenians consider this land"
    They consider "theirs" everything, from Lebanon to the North Caucasus, right up to Rostov, so what? Give them?

    It’s not good to tell lies. Write about the appetites of the cavatars. The historical territories of Armenia are the right bank of the Kura River before merging with the Araks River (from the borders of Georgia). To the north, these are Lezgi lands in the south of Talysh and Absheron is Tat. Ask zombies for religious and national dislike to the Armenians of the former owners of these lands
    This is all about the Armenian claims in the post-Soviet space.
  12. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 10: 19
    +1
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    Well, well, "historically" that it is not part of the Russian Federation, it left the USSR and did not blink an eye.

    To prove your loyalty, you must be part of Russia? But it is not better to have an additional vote in favor of Russia at all sites.
  13. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 10: 28
    +1
    Quote: opus
    Quote: STARPER
    Armenia is the only country historically devoted to Russia! AND

    I would put it another way:
    "Armenia NOT the only country that PERIODICALLY devoted to Russia "
    This is more than true.
    Take off your pink glasses and stop drooling.
    Recent:

    Some time ago, for depriving Russia of voting rights in PACE, 148 deputies voted, 64 against. For the resolution as a whole - 160 votes, 42 - against. The Azerbaijani delegation voted in support of Russia. But the Armenians - no. They simply abstained or became ill.

    The Euronest Parliamentary Assembly on March 17 2015 in Yerevan adopted a resolution on Russia's military aggression against Ukraine. The Azerbaijani delegation did not go to Yerevan.
    “Russia is waging a war against Ukraine, as a result of which people are dying and suffering in the Donbass. Over one and a half million people became internally displaced persons as a result of armed conflict, several hundred thousand became refugees. Crimea was occupied and illegally annexed by Russia ”

    Application of the Russian company "Grozny-Avia" for the implementation of direct flights from Simferopol to Yerevan rejected. (Kakly in euphoria)
    You can dig further. There is no such thing that only +++++. Always + / -

    However, Armenians can not be blamed, we have the same stigma in the gun

    Armenian historian, writer Leo:
    “The long-suffering, devoted to slavery and annihilation working people instinctively, in a spontaneous outburst, sought salvation in the Russian campaign, met the Russian soldier as his liberator. But for this attitude he was punished heavily. His situation was getting worse when the Russian troops left occupied places and the Armenians, after a meeting of Russians with bread and salt, a cross remained face to face with their masters - the Ottomans. The wars brought Turkish Armenians massacre, migration. The process of extermination accelerated, and the adoption of Russian citizenship in the popular consciousness became more and more compulsory necessity as the only way to preserve physical existence. "



    Why don't you list the opposite.
  14. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 10: 37
    +1
    Quote: V.ic
    Quote: STARPER
    Armenia is the only country historically devoted to Russia!

    ARF Dashnaktsutyun was "founded" eight years earlier than the RSDLP. A series of terrorist attacks in Moscow 1977 by the "heirs" of the Dashnaks ...


    Old song. The detainees did not admit. And they even shot one of them with an iron alibi. I do not defend the killers if this has taken place. But all this is ambiguous. I do not believe it.
  15. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 10: 44
    +1
    Quote: Floki
    Led by Stepan Zatikyan, they formed a sort of “battle group“ Vrezh. ”Alexander Prokhanov described everything in his book“ Walking into the Fire. ”Better to remember how fraternal people were closing Russian schools.

    Prokhanov lived in Azerbaijan, what do you want to hear from him? And schools closed everywhere, only my nephew graduated from just a Russian school, just at these times.
  16. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 10: 52
    +1
    Quote: Floki
    Quote: STARPER
    Armenia is the only country historically devoted to Russia! And we will always protect her ...

    And then where is the Russian population in Armenia Dear?


    They, together with the Armenians, raised education in Azerbaijan. (On their own head). There were about 1 thousand Russians in Armenia before World War I. And remember, if they slaughter Armenians, they don’t pass by the Russians.
  17. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 11: 09
    +1
    Quote: Lek3338
    OPUS I will begin with the fact that it is always interesting to read your comments, I urge you to experienced activity.
    1 Selling, of course, cannot and not for stirring up a conflict. But this does not help the solution either.
    2 What sells to Az-well of the Russian Federation and other countries is not suitable for comparison. Tachanka Cobra Matador, etc. this will agree is not a weapon that changes balance. And sold Kasyrga and Lara is not the amount that can change the outcome of the battle.
    3Yes, I want Russia not to sell the wrong weapons, even join forces to prevent the sale of Turkey and Israel, at least a call.
    I will be extremely open personally to me, a citizen of Az-nah, I don’t need this Karabakh for the nation. If he is returned, I know that all kinds of Yerazi in power will happen, they will give the country money for recovery. And most of the refugees will not return there , everything is just neither work nor infrastructure. And here in Baku they seized the houses of the missing Baku people, kindergartens, schools, port buildings and no documents from them, they don’t have to pay for the utility bills. The traffic police will stop asking why they don’t fasten. So I’m a refugee right away, I’m a refugee, I’m a veteran, although at the word, most of the Armenians go, they draped leaving their homes. What am I for?
    My friends' acquaintances died in April, I’m afraid tomorrow there will be no mine with whom I sat in a cafe yesterday. I feel sick from Az-chauvinism, from Armenian chauvinism, all the more knowing that neither Armenians nor Az-ts are indigenous to Karabakh. The Armenians are sitting remaking the crosses of the Albanian churches, the Az-ts say we are the Turks, coming up with new tribes supposedly Turkic, although no one else heard about these tribes in the days of Albania. In short, the circus. The insanity that the Armenians, that the Az-ts alone say Ararat will return , the second ones say Derbent Bizimdir, Borchaly Bizimdir, Iran Bizimdir, Yerevan Bizimdir. And if Armenians have the opportunity, half of the world will tell us. In this pun, where two foreign peoples are fighting for the Caucasus, the migrants are Armenians and nomadic Turks I DO NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE I don’t want to. So I think the solution to this conflict should be peaceful. But as long as the Russian Federation does business it does not go to the resolution of the conflict. Without intervention from outside, the solution is not possible. But by its actions the Russian Federation loses confidence in both Armenians and people of Azerbaijan. Neither the US nor Turkey cannot somehow affect both sides, except for the Russian Federation no one can.



    You begin to understand a little that you are the people who have the right to their state. Yes, it is beneficial for the Armenians, but it is a necessity for the Lezgins, so as not to disappear from the face of the earth. Strabo will tell you where the border between Armenia and Caucasian Albania was.
  18. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 11: 15
    +1
    Quote: STARPER
    Quote: VSZMK
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    It was not worth it to give them

    Armenia is a member of the CSTO, unlike Azerbaijan.

    Armenia is Baghramyan, Mikoyan, etc. Do not make us angry ...

    Well, in the bazaars they also trade ... bully




    Recently, Putin awarded Rollan Gurgenovich Martirosov, General Designer of SU-34. I am proud that the Armenians are doing their bit to the power of Russian weapons.
  19. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 11: 28
    +1
    Quote: Lek3338
    Oh, if the Lezgins were like Yeraz, Graz and Nakhchivan. I really envy. Will you go to Ganja, what was your measure Lezgin? They will say he’s gone, but we still swear his head, about Kishine’s hell ichirik. I know almost everyone more or less famous Lezgins. And I will be honest I know the two heads of large companies in the Lezghin nation who are engaged in nepotism ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. You will name three of you. Even Sulik has the entire Avars circle, other nations except his fellow countrymen. etc.
    2 Remember, refugees are all abnormal in their majority. I don’t want to offend, I always have an exception, but the psychology of the matter is this. Lezgin refugees who went leaving Russia home to Russia are also abnormal. They always criticize, they think their heart burns for their homeland and so on. .This psychology is the stigma of a refugee, a migrant is bearing fruit.
    YOU overestimate the capabilities of the Az-people, if the people are vparil something that EVERYTHING LOSSES without them (Aliyev) then you can vparit anything.
    I’ll tell you a parable. The Persian Shaz conquered the Caucasus, calls Vezir and asks what nations live in my new possessions?
    The shah says bringing the az-ts of the Turk. I heard you scolded my late father? The Turk says you are the Shah, my father was your father’s servant, I serve you and I will serve.
    Bring the Armenian to the same question from the Shah. The answer of the Armenian peasant. You that my father helped the Shah to conquer these possessions and I helped you.
    At the end, bring a Lezgin choban and that same question. I heard you scolded my father? Lezgin choban grabs his dagger and asks the answer question. Shah, tell me from whom you heard this? HERE such Az-tsy characters served the Persians, Armenians always used cunning everyone who came. And Lezgins are categorical and do not rummage in politics. But among the Persians the proverb is if the shah is stupid to go to war with Lezgins. Once all military commanders made themselves known the peoples of the Caucasus called Lezgins But the times are different, politicians need cunning people at the head. But Russia and Armenia and Az-an use us. On their lands, Russia does not ask us to transfer the villages to Az-well. On their land they are divided into two parts. Leznin Samur provides water to Baku Derbent and its crops are without water. Yuzhdag is the only place in Dagestan where radical Islam was not distributed. But alas, on the contrary, the development of radicalism


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    Quote: Lek3338
    Oh, if Lezgins were like Yerazov, Graz and Nakhchivan.

    Well, the excesses on this list are superfluous. They can’t be close to Yerazy and Nychchivans. Skolsky and cowardly. Well and thieves)))))

    Quote: Lek3338
    YOU overestimate the capabilities of the Az-people, if the people are vparil something that EVERYTHING LOSSES without them (Aliyev) then you can vparit anything.

    No, I just know the red line of my people and this moment is that line.
    Quote: Lek3338
    HERE, such characters of Az-ts served the Persians, Armenians always used cunning all who came

    what other Persians ??? Iran was ruled for 1000 years by the TURK Dynasties and the army was from the Türks.
    Quote: Lek3338
    Lezgins are categorical and don’t rummage in politics

    I don’t think so much about that. I will not call Chechens and Avars compared to Türks cunning. But they take leadership in their areas of residence. Why can the Lezgins not achieve the same in Dagestan ?? I think the matter is simply passivity and cohesion. And having a smaller number in Azerbaijan, they are still more represented in power than if we take their percentage ratio in Dagestan to the posts held by them. They are more integrated in Azerbaijan, whether we like it or not, but still in Azerbaijan there is a special atmosphere, a general behavioral type and thinking. Even the Lezgins of Dagestan differ from the others in Dagestan. Dargins, Avars, and even Kumyks feel when communicating that they are from the same cultural field, with Lezgins, on the contrary, this is the cultural field of Azerbaijan, even being in Dagestan with fierce propaganda of Wahhabism is very much It’s not in vain behind them in Dagestan azerov called.
    The creator of Rasulzadeh, Tatom, was a fierce nationalist of Azerbaijan. There is no such community in Dagestan, they are trying to create on the basis of Wahhabism, but this is a disastrous path and will only lead to collapse.

    In the millennial Byzantine Empire, half of the Emperors and commanders were from the Armenian dynasties, and what should the Armenians claim for these lands?
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 18 November 2016 18: 16
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      Quote: garnik
      In the millennial Byzantine Empire, half of the Emperors and commanders were from the Armenian dynasties, and what should the Armenians claim for these lands?

      And we had from the Kurds. But one thing is 1 person with a retinue, and another thing is the whole people at the head of the state and the whole army from the representative of this state is completely different.
      All the sons of the rulers of Iran, and all the rulers were Türks, were first sent to serve in Azerbaijan and only then to the capital.
      And how many Armenians in Byzantium were in the proportion of the population and how Armenian tribes were at the head of the Byzantine empire. You compare the incomparable.
  20. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 11: 46
    +1
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quotation: blooded man
    I doubt that AR is profitable TODAY.

    It is beneficial to her at any moment if there is neutrality in Russia. The Armenians themselves will turn on the back realizing that they were left alone.
    Quotation: blooded man
    Peace is needed, ideally if Nagorno-Karabakh becomes Azerbaijan again, but where the Armenians live, it will be like it was in South Ossetia until 2008. Does this contradict the interests of Azerbaijan?

    Armenians will be able to stay in Karabakh only if they voluntarily surrender Karabakh, they won’t be there by military means. The peaceful population will immediately leave the territories voluntarily, since everyone understands the level of hatred at such a level that the soldier on the field with arms in his hands will not care what Aliyev says or Europe, the civilian population will be destroyed, Khojaly is remembered by the Armenians too, so the civilian population will immediately run away.
    Quotation: blooded man
    It's another matter that we became "hostages" of the decision of the 90s to leave the military base in Armenia. For today we cannot leave there, period.

    Yes, a concrete geopolitical shift in this region should happen. A closer shift in relations with Turkey, when you can give a damn about the base in Armenia and calmly transfer it partially to Nakhchivan, which is even closer to the Middle East than Gyumri and continental Azerbaijan.
    But it is unlikely Turkey is still in NATO.

    You write and know that Turkey is historically an enemy of Christianity and hopes for friendship in a hickey. Otherwise, this is the end of Orthodoxy in Russia.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 18 November 2016 18: 36
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      Quote: garnik
      You write and know that Turkey is historically an enemy of Christianity and hopes for friendship in a hickey.

      A direct enemy of Christianity ??? Therefore, did Christians live quietly in the Ottoman Empire ?? Why then didn’t the Greeks also slaughter all the Armenians ?? On the contrary, the Armenians and Greeks were one of the most prosperous, along with the Jews, holding the financial market of the Ottomans.
      To remind you that the Byzantines did not even allow you to build their own churches in Constantinople and especially to let you go there. It was under the Ottomans that the Armenians installed their church there. From the point of view of Orthodoxy, the Armenians are heretics. Therefore, there is no need for the enemy of Christianity.
  21. garnik
    garnik 18 November 2016 19: 46
    +1
    Quotation: blooded man
    If Azeri hated the Persians, then there would have long been a second Kurdistan. Nature allows 99% of the Turks in the northern regions. There is no unrest happening, but rather a struggle for their rights. For example, before it was impossible to teach in schools in the native language, now it is possible. Well and so on. A common thing for countries where two nations coexist peacefully. Hate is not there.

    ps By the way, I read that in Iran not all Türks consider themselves to be one people and some nationalities are more pro-Persian than Protyurk. So is it or not?


    Many Turkish-speaking Persians consider themselves oturechenny.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 18 November 2016 22: 28
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      Quote: garnik
      Many Turkish-speaking Persians consider themselves oturechenny.

      Can the concept of Turkic-speaking Persians be more detailed ?? If he considers himself a Persian speaking Turkic, then what is oturechen if he realizes his Persianity?
  22. co-creator
    co-creator 19 November 2016 23: 02
    +1
    Yeraz,
    Quote: Yeraz
    No, we always called ourselves Turks (Türks) and the languages ​​were identical. You could easily pass through Eurasia without experiencing problems with the language.

    You can call yourself anything you like, but the Turkmens never called themselves Turks, like the Kazakhs (Cossacks) with Kyrgyz and Uzbeks. This is just a fact.
    So the Slavs have the same thing, but this does not mean that Russian and Serbian are the same language.
    Quote: Yeraz
    The problems began when the lands were conquered by Russia and the worst by the Soviets. Here these artificial nations began to create languages. And if in the 20th century Turk could talk to anyone on the go in Kazakhstan, now he should live there for a month.

    This is nonsense)) Well, I couldn’t talk Kazakh with the Turk straight away, I could not. Even many Kazakh tribes could not with each other, the dialects were different. Of course, the proximity of the language was greater, but no more. Kazakhs and Turks did not even have written language in their native language.
    The Soviets "created" languages ​​for the Turks in the same way that Ataturk created the language for the Turks. Everything was done in parallel and according to the same patterns. Only the USSR did it on the basis of the Cyrillic alphabet, and the Turks in the Latin alphabet.

    Quote: Yeraz
    Yes, even within these peoples, some are very different from others. Stupidly, we take the Kyrgyz, the North and the South, they hate each other and are very different, Some are Russified, others are not. And this was achieved by everyone in 70 years. Does this mean that they became different?

    Of course they are different, because before the USSR there was no single people of the Kyrgyz or Kazakhs. There were tribes or zhuzes that actually lived autonomously.
    Here is a large part of Azeri in the Russian Federation; then they hate Azeri in Azerbaijan? No, of course, then it is not a matter of advice and Russification right.
    Of course, they did not become different from this, they remained all the same Kyrgyz, Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Kazakhs, Turks, Meskhitins, Turks. These are different peoples, which together are of the Turkic root.
    Quote: Yeraz
    But this does not mean that now we are a different people, but in Iran a different one. There is no one people. If it weren’t for the Aliyev family, Turkization would be much faster. But there is a family

    You again confuse the concepts of TURK and TURK. Yakuts, for example, are also Turks, but they have nothing to do with Turks. Maybe Azeri and Turks and one people (I won’t argue though there are different opinions), for example, Turkmens and Yakuts have nothing to do with you. Aliyev cannot stop Turkization in any way, since you are all Turkic by birth. Aliyev is probably slowing down Turconization, but that’s another question.
    Quote: Yeraz
    there is a Caucasian beginning we are all Caucasians, because Lezgin and Azerbaijanis cannot be ignored in Dagestan

    Yes, there is no such beginning. Caucasians are friends only against the Slavs, and when they are not friends only for themselves. A Chechen brother is a Dargin in Moscow (even their diasporas are not connected) against the Russians, but in the Caucasus they are just neighbors and they have different interests.
    By the way, Lezgin answered you here that you are, to put it mildly, dear comrades.
    Quote: Yeraz
    That is, everything happens through obstacles, which radicalizes Turkism and radicalizes educated

    Turkism is a chimera, as well as pan-Slavism, for example. If the educated are dropping up, then you have no future as a people. Again shorter in the Stone Age.
    Quote: Yeraz
    And all this will explode when the generation of the Soviet Union becomes critically small, then the bombing and little will not seem.

    Well yes, then of course you will be sorry. It is quite possible you will have to leave the Russian Federation, abandon your people or be imprisoned as an extremist, unless of course you support this whole thing. In the Russian Federation, as you know, with Muslim radicalism, no one will fuss. An example of the Crimean Tatars-Turks who set the conditions or bring down or become Russians.
    Quote: Yeraz
    The state in all of them closed for a short while, now it seems to have been created and it will, with complete autocracy, if this power weakens, it will not just be a fist fight, but an armed rebuff. on a moderate path is almost impossible.

    Do you really have people like the Ukrainians and their history does not teach anything? Do they really not know the history of Turkey and what exactly is Pan-Turkism, imperialism almost led to its death during the WWII. Only due to the fact that in Russia there was a revolution, Turkey was not divided by the fuck.
    Turks with Pusi-Sushi Kurds because there are more than 10 million of them and that they would cease to be Kurds, they need to be destroyed physically that's all. Even the Turks cannot do it.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 24 November 2016 19: 06
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      Quotation: blooded man
      So the Slavs have the same thing, but this does not mean that Russian and Serbian are the same language.

      Well, understandably, languages ​​are transforming. Give me 1 generation and I will make the Turkic languages ​​unique. Maybe, except for the Siberian Turks.
      Quotation: blooded man
      Here is a large part of Azeri in the Russian Federation; then they hate Azeri in Azerbaijan? No, of course, then it is not a matter of advice and Russification right.

      No, they haven’t Russified. Right now, this process of Russification begins. More likely not even Russification, but Europeanization. Russian youth are Europeanized and it is completely different from the previous generation and more and more like Western youth, but with its own specifics. Ours is the same. Sometimes an Azerbaijani is Azerbaijan is more Europeanized than here because the environment is alien to it and it is more attached to its traditions and division.
      Quotation: blooded man
      You again confuse the concepts of TURK and TURK

      It’s you who are trying to separate this concept by comparing it with the Slavs. We don’t have the same language in Turk and Turk. And we originally had the same name, which was not the case with the Slavs, who were always named differently. Only Anatolian put it on the state headquarters when and the state was named as well.
      Quotation: blooded man
      for example, Turkmens and Yakuts have nothing to do with you.

      Here you are in vain so sure. The Turkmens have something else to do with it. We are as if in the Islamic world, as the Turkmens were known. Since we called ourselves Turks, but since they accepted Islam, the Arabs began to call us Turkemn, which means Turk and Iman. Turk is a believer and this word came into use.
      Then the British gave another meaning when they entered Iraq and began to call us Also, but from others the Turkmens are Turkish. And our relatives in Iraq (who by the way speak like Azerbaijani Turks) remained Turkmens.
      Quotation: blooded man
      Well yes, then of course you will be sorry. It is quite possible you will have to leave the Russian Federation, abandon your people or be imprisoned as an extremist, unless of course you support this whole thing.

      This, of course, has a consequence. And I will be forced to leave the Russian Federation. Although what position of Russia will be at that time we cannot know.
      Quotation: blooded man
      Caucasians are friends only against the Slavs, and when they are not friends only for themselves.

      It is true.
      Quotation: blooded man
      By the way, Lezgin answered you here that you are, to put it mildly, dear comrades.

      Well, these are the opinions of one Lezgin, the Lezgins are strongly divided in this matter.
      Quotation: blooded man
      Turkism is a chimera, as well as pan-Slavism, for example. If the educated are dropping up, then you have no future as a people. Again shorter in the Stone Age.

      Not a fact, Turkish nationalism took Turkey forward. On the contrary, educated nyashi are destroying the country because they can’t take the necessary measures to protect the state, because they are mild-bodied. Are Israeli residents educated ?? madly educated. Radical? Absolutely radical. And we see the result. These 2 things should go together, if only one of them will be or strangers savages will put you on your knees or stupid radicalism will destroy.

      Quotation: blooded man
      Do you really have people like the Ukrainians and their history does not teach anything?

      It was Ukraine that taught us nothing, just like Russia. Nobody will tolerate power for a long time, because there are stable ki and there is order, and after us there will be G. This is when, how. Maybe it will and may not be. But human nature wants changes and will not endure oppression for a long time, no matter how he tries to deceive himself.
      Quotation: blooded man
      Turks with Pusi-Sushi Kurds because there are more than 10 million of them and that they would cease to be Kurds, they need to be destroyed physically that's all.

      Not at all out of these 10 against Turkey, not the majority and not half, part of the compact people living in the East, most live among the Turkish majority, outside Turkey, plus mixed marriages, plus Islamic unity. Why does the APK win because the Kurds are for it in the majority. wushi pusi. When the brother of the leaders of the terrorists is a deputy, like other deputies and this is a relative of the existing terrorists, here is wuxi pusi. When the body of a terrorist is buried with splendor and the authorities there are not only Kurds, but representatives of the Kemalists. This is all the fruit of Turkish Islam, which calls for patience and compassion, since the other, no matter how bad he is also a Muslim, etc. In other Islamic countries, this is not the case. Nationalism at the household level is in the lead. In Turks, no matter how Ataturk tries to weaken Islam, it is permeated at such the level that the AKP quickly came to power. This is the trouble of the Türks, since not being the most ardent in the ritual part of Islam, they were its most ardent defenders and promoters. Arabs would have long been all this would have been ruined.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 25 November 2016 00: 29
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        Quote: Yeraz
        Give me 1 generation and I will make the Turkic languages ​​singular.

        You’ll make languages, but people won’t speak the same language anyway. That would be a single or very close linguistic space, you need to live in a single continuous space. Roughly speaking, all Turks need to be settled nearby.

        Quote: Yeraz
        No, not Russified.

        How not? Russification is not a change of nat. accessories. When they speak Russian in everyday life, they are built into Russian culture, this is Russification. Most of them.
        Quote: Yeraz
        It’s you who are trying to separate this concept by comparing it with the Slavs. We don’t have the same language in Turk and Turk. And we originally had the same name, which was not the case with the Slavs, who were always named differently.

        The matter is not in the name)) Türks are belonging to the linguistic and cultural environment. The Yakuts are also Turks, but they are Mongoloids, and you understand Europioids? Yes, even the Kazakhs are Mongoloids. Scientifically speaking, there is an Indo-European family. It includes language groups - Germanic, Romance, Slavic, Turkic, etc. The Turks include the Turks. Azeri, Turkmen, Kazakhs, Yakuts, etc.
        Just the Turks who moved to Asia Minor and Iran self-named or they were called TURKS. If Azeri and Turks have one language and essentially one community, then for example, Turkmens are already different.
        Quote: Yeraz
        Here you are in vain so sure. The Turkmens have something else to do with it. We are as if in the Islamic world, as the Turkmens were known. Since we called ourselves Turks, but since they accepted Islam, the Arabs began to call us Turkemn, which means Turk and Iman. Turk is a believer and this word came into use.

        They have a relationship with you in that you are Türks and that’s it. A Turkmen will never want to become a Turk of his own free will, never. He has a different mentality, a different understanding of life, he has his own core from which the nation was formed. You can assimilate them, but then they will become a different people. For example, ex-Circassians in Turkey self-identify themselves as Turks, and Circassians in the Russian Federation do not consider themselves Turks.
        Quote: Yeraz
        Not a fact, Turkish nationalism brought Turkey forward.

        Nationalism is not radicalism. Ataturk just cleaned out the radicals and pan-Turkists by creating a new educated class. This is what allowed Turkey to become an advanced country without oil. In Israel, by the way, there are not many radicals, but laws related to Judaism have been passed for them, but in fact Israel is a secular country. When the radicals opposed the demolition of the Hebrews settlement in the SG, they were told who the main ones were and their place to observe no more traditions.
        If you have people who should be responsible for politics, education, etc. become pan-Turkists, radicals to you Khan.

        Quote: Yeraz
        Nobody will endure power for a long time, because there are stable ki and there is order, and after us there will be G. It is when, how. It can and will and will not be. But human nature wants change and will not endure oppression for a long time, no matter how tried to fool myself

        I didn’t write about this. The Maidan elites generally did not care about people; they wanted to build Ukraine only for the Ukrainians, having forgotten that at least half of them were Russians.
        Quote: Yeraz
        When the brother of the leaders of the terrorists is a deputy, like other deputies and this is a relative of the current terrorists, here’s wuxi.

        With us, Kadyrov seniors called on to kill Russians in the first Chechen years, the younger ones do not hide the fact that he killed Russian soldiers. Who is Kadyrov now? What is the situation in Chechnya? On the moral side, it’s simple, but on the political side, in Chechnya, the world is Chechens and WERE BUILT IN OR IN OTHER SOCIETY. It’s I who am silent that they themselves are catching jihadists, Chechen independents and fighting for the Russian Federation. Therefore, the brother of the leader in parliament is politics, and by the way, until the Americans got into Iraq and Syria, the Kurds have not fought with the Turks for many years.
        Quote: Yeraz
        When the body of a terrorist is buried with pomp and the authorities there and not only the Kurds, but the representatives of the Kemalists.

        But of course this cannot be allowed.
        Quote: Yeraz
        This is the trouble of the Türks, since not being the most ardent in the ritual part of Islam, they were its most ardent defenders and promoters

        By the way, as history showed, for example, you Azeri-Turks always living outside the Ottoman Empire and then in the USSR were able to avoid such a strong influence of religion on life.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 25 November 2016 17: 56
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          Quotation: blooded man
          How not? Russification is not a change of nat. accessories. When they speak Russian in everyday life, they are built into Russian culture, this is Russification. Most of them.

          Well, if from these positions, then yes.
          Quotation: blooded man
          The Yakuts are also Turks, but they are Mongoloids, and you understand Europioids? Yes, even the Kazakhs are Mongoloids

          What will be in ideal form is still from the realm of fantasy. By the way, they have long been beaten up in these Yakuts. They are miserable in the Turkic world.
          The most real is Turkey and Azerbaijan in all respects. And the Kazakhs are politically and economically. Yes, they are built into Russia so far, but they will not go against and participate in all the Türk projects, somewhere for the sake of showing off, somewhere real, but there there are already forces that the rope of the Turkic world will not let go. The rest are their own boss. There is no global thinking.
          Quotation: blooded man
          In our country, Kadyrov seniors urged him to kill Russians in the first Chechen one; the youth does not hide the fact that he killed Russian soldiers. Who is Kadyrov now? What is the situation in Chechnya?

          These are incomparable things. Kadyrov went over to the side of the state, does not undermine his foundations and Chechens in the share of the population of the Russian Federation 0.000001% and on the other side of the border Chechens do not have fellow countrymen with the same number. says We will show the Turkish army his place, we will show this, do this. Do you imagine that Kadyrov from the rostrum of the State Duma is shouting about the army of the Russian Federation and Russian soldiers ??? That the terrorists who killed the Russian soldiers are buried pompously? That the protesters with the flags of the separatist formations they go out in the cities of Russia, and the State Duma Deputies are walking in front of them, and Molotov cocktails are being thrown from behind the Deputies and when the police are trying to go forward, the Deputies rushing at them say how dare you, etc.
          Yes, there was no such talk with the Kurds in the best years of the Emirate in the Caucasus. Therefore, the Nationalist youth in Azerbaijan was initially radical, we add Karabakh and all, the others will not work here. The Turks are not quite so, since Islam is initially stronger in people and Kurds are Muslims and it is inhibited.
          Quotation: blooded man
          By the way, as history showed, for example, you Azeri-Turks always living outside the Ottoman Empire and then in the USSR were able to avoid such a strong influence of religion on life.

          Well, we will be honest and in the Ottoman Empire we lived in different periods.
          But Islam had strong roots in Baku and Ganja, and even Shiism. And the rest is not, but it is understandable. In Baku and Ganja, there were not a few Persians (who were assimilated) plus Iranian Azerbaijanis, where religion was strong. And in other parts There was no strong contact with the Arabs or Persians or Azerbaijanis of Iran. Therefore, the USSR quickly destroyed Islam, since there was no dominant Islam, there was a dominant of the Traditions, some of which people took as the norms of Islam, and now there are a lot of them.
          But in the 90s, Russia allowed Islamization, or rather its Wahhabization of the North Caucasus, and this infection leaked to Azerbaijan, but again due to Shiism and Turkey, where Sufism and national elements, the Wahhabis got their place in Azerbaijan, but do not have global strength, as you, plus Thank you ISIS, many left and died there.
          In the same Soviet Union, the majority did not know the Russian language stupidly, only men after the army and this was in the era of more advanced technologies. That is, they were all inhabitants of the USSR, but they were not part of the USSR and its people in terms of political and ideological . Therefore, the USSR was collapsed in a second. Because the real integration was weak.