In Tatarstan, preparing for the production of a modernized Tu-160

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The Kazan Aviation Plant named after Gorbunov (a branch of PJSC “Tupolev”) has begun the restoration of key technologies for the resumption of serial production of the strategic bomber Tu-160, reports the Tatarstan resource BUSINESS Online.

In Tatarstan, preparing for the production of a modernized Tu-160




According to the author of the article, Timur Latypov, a schedule has been approved for the manufacture of the most important part of the future missile carrier, the titanium central beam. Experts point out the importance of the moment and remind that after the collapse of the USSR, the “titanium” shop at the plant was simply bombed out. Factory workers recognize that a lot of things are “in a neglected state”, even the documents have not been preserved.

The article Latypova, in particular, states:

“They began to restore the unique technology at the Kazan Aviation Plant named after Gorbunov - branch of PJSC "Tupolev" (KAZ). We are talking about vacuum annealing and welding of titanium assemblies, for which we used the installation of electron beam welding (ELU-24) and annealing (UVN-45). Against the background of the news lull regarding the resumption of production of the Tu-160, the factory newspaper "Forward!" Reports this.

Recall that in March KAZ entered into two contracts for the rehabilitation of equipment for the production of Tu-160, both must be completed before March 30 2017. PJSC "Electromechanics" (Rzhev) has pledged for 948 million rubles to put in order UVN-45. But the contractor for the restoration of ELU-24 then not identified. As the factory newspaper writes, they became Izhevsk OAO NITI Progress. He will be paid 710 million rubles. In total, it turns out, 1,7 billion is a rather big amount just for repairing two installations. What is so important about them?

In the second half of 70, preparation for the construction of the Tu-160 required a total reconstruction of the KAZ. Among other things, a new building was built with a workshop for the mechanical assembly of titanium assemblies and the installations mentioned above. A unique equipment for working with 20-meter monolithic slabs of varying thickness of titanium alloys appeared, because of them 38% of the Tu-160 design was made.

The bomber's “spine” can be called a central titanium beam with a length of 12,4 m and a width of 2,1 m, around which the other elements of the airframe were grouped. For example, wings were hung on its pivot points. For the manufacture of the beam, a technological process of electron-beam welding in a neutral medium or in vacuum was developed. “Titan, as you know, does not boil in the air - it starts to burn, and you can’t quench it, so they do it either in a vacuum or in a neutral environment,” told Adviser to the Prime Minister of the Republic of Tatarstan Nazir Kireev. it should go very precisely - everything is calculated literally in fractions of a millimeter. ”

The beam was milled from two halves and welded into one piece in a vacuum chamber under special fits and fluxes. The popular science literature says that such welding still belongs to unique technologies and can be considered a national priority of the country. “Such welding was then only at the Kazan aircraft factory, and it appeared only in connection with the Tu-160,” Kireev recalled. “No other product had a titanium center section.”

There are allegations that the work at ELU-45 had to be carried out at night - because of the large energy consumption, it was the only way to avoid the blackout of half of Kazan.

"If only in this workshop there was a rout ..."

How important is the stage of restoration of two installations in terms of restarting the production of Tu-160, and to be precise, the construction of a new "strategist" - Tu-160М2? “At ELU, the center section is being welded. If we do not learn how to make this beam again, there will be no new Tu-160,” says a publication source in the aircraft industry. “As you know, the funds for the restoration of the installations have been allocated large. Will they succeed by the deadline? Is it difficult to say Installations have long and thoroughly been inoperable, because after the 90s, everyone literally bombed everything in this workshop. " "If only in this workshop there was a rout ..." Kireev sadly notes.

“Everything turned out to be in a neglected state,” correspondents of the newspaper “Forward!” Did not hide the state of affairs with two installations. According to their information, even no documents left. At the same time, the authors of the article are very optimistic: "Recently, the collective of workshop No. XXUM is widely known. After all, on the basis of this team, a new mechanical welding production is being created ... After the publication of the order of the plant director to create a mechanical assembly plant and workshops No. XXUMX, 45 passed quite a bit of time, and the results of the work are already evident ... GAP (Kazan Giproniiaviaprom - approx. Auth.) Approved the new layout of the workshop ... At present, each stage of work is described in detail ... By 45 March 40, it is necessary to work out and prin To install ELU-30, UVN-2017, to start making subassemblies of the central beam and the swivel unit. "

Judging by the words of Alexei Potapov, head of the workshop No. XXUMX, the schedule for the phased production of the new central beam and the Tu-45 swivel hub has already been signed. In addition, the workshop is repairing the roof, building and assembly work for the installation of new equipment for the vacuum system, control systems, cooling, electrics.

Interestingly, in the 70-e this topic Vel Kiev Institute. Paton. “When the installation in Kazan was finally brought to mind, a whole delegation came from there - they just admired it!” Valentin Bliznyuk, the former chief designer of the Tu-160, recalled.

Will we manage to do without Ukrainian specialists today? “Yes, the Paton Institute was at the head of the work,” says Kireev. “It was located in Ukraine, but this, of course, does not mean that it was only Ukrainian. Let me remind you that in addition to it 25 institutes were doing an electron-beam installation! And now ... will attract everyone who is able to do anything in this regard. "
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  1. +24
    12 November 2016 10: 49
    Damn ... Well, that's like a balm for the soul.
    1. +34
      12 November 2016 10: 56
      White Swan! Handsome man!
      1. +28
        12 November 2016 10: 59
        Priluki Air Base, 1998.

        The first, in the presence of American senators Richard Lugar and Karl Levin, was cut Tu-160 with tail number 24, released in 1989 and having 466 hours of flight. The second one was the Tu-160 with tail number 13, built in 1991 and having a flight time of less than 100 hours ... It was only 19 of the 8 newest unique aircraft that were saved from the clutches of the landless Russia.
        1. +33
          12 November 2016 11: 01
          Russia offered $ 25 lyam apiece, Ukrainians offered to buy back $ 100.
          At the same time, the United States paid $ 1 million for each utilized aircraft + the cost of disposal itself.
          1. +31
            12 November 2016 13: 23
            And they have become brothers for a long time ...
            1. +2
              12 November 2016 18: 48
              Quote: goncharov.62
              And they have become brothers for a long time ...

              You know, there is a joke that Ukraine got into Kuchma shit.
              Since then, the state has ceased to be fraternal, but for the most part the people were their own.
              However, increasing the acti-Russian measures, our states are more and more diverging, although some of them were fraternal, so fraternal and will remain, in spite of the swine politicians.
            2. +6
              12 November 2016 21: 40
              And they have become brothers for a long time ...

              It is better to remain an orphan than to have such "relatives"! hi
          2. +5
            12 November 2016 13: 57
            I can’t wait - when the investigations in all these cases will begin - because the documents contain someone’s signatures ...
            1. +11
              12 November 2016 14: 23
              As Comrade Stalin said, every accident has a name, surname and patronymic.
            2. +5
              12 November 2016 18: 28
              Whose signatures are ??? Gorbachev and Reagan .. One is already in the grave ... I hope the devils fry his soul qualitatively ..
          3. SAF
            0
            13 November 2016 16: 57
            Creatures
            The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information
          4. 0
            13 November 2016 21: 07
            Quote: Zibelew
            Russia offered $ 25 lyam apiece, Ukrainians offered to buy back $ 100.
            At the same time, the United States paid $ 1 million for each utilized aircraft + the cost of disposal itself.

            So this is the Brotherly People! laughing For me, sozole pederast is not a brother to a Tatar!
          5. 0
            13 November 2016 22: 11
            Ukrainians then and X-55 sold to China ....
        2. +28
          12 November 2016 11: 30
          There, the amers' recycling scheme was a little more complicated. There, in addition to lemon greens, the same amount was brought into the pockets of the right gentlemen on the official line (to the budget). And one lemon for the plane "in the pocket" is much more important than 25 in the budget of "reed nenki" wassat
        3. +13
          12 November 2016 11: 40
          Quote: Zibelew
          Of the 19 newest unique aircraft from the clutches of independent Russia, only 8 were saved.

          Looks like these senators Richard Lugar and Karl Levin got to the Kazan Aircraft Building Plant, in particular to UVN-45, ELU-24 and to the archives.
          1. +1
            13 November 2016 18: 51
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            and to Kazan Aircraft Building Plant, in particular to UVN-45, ELU-24 and archives.

            PJSC "Electromechanics" was founded on August 19, 1939.
            ...
            In the production of welding equipment, the production of electron-beam installations has been mastered - ELU-15B, ELU-18, ELU-19, ELU-21, ELU-24х8. The last two installations were the best products in domestic and world practice. Welding installations ARK-3, ADSV-6, USKS-21 were in great demand both in the country and abroad.
            The prestige of foundry and thermal equipment produced at the DVL-160M installation for the continuous process of melting and casting titanium parts, UPPF-1M and UNK-2С for titanium and heat-resistant casting, the ETH-2 electrothermal unit, large-sized vacuum annealing installations, was highly raised. UVN and others. PMP-2 furnace for casting blades with directional crystallization, increasing the strength of the blades by 2 times, are patented in seven foreign countries. In 1970, the production of numerical control systems began. For 15 years, the release of 28 CNC modifications has been mastered.

            Restructuring
            Along with the release of specialized equipment, the plant began to produce KIR-1,5 and KRN-2,1 mowers for agriculture, an MDL-1850 leather doubling unit for light industry, a wide range of consumer goods - furniture hinges, baby dominoes, baking dishes, antenna amplifiers, piezoceramic lighters, canning lids and other

            Have the senators "got"?

            "Tupolev" from the inside

            A visitor writes on a blog: "Some electric beam installation ELU-24-8. It is oversized, has three tiers and does not work anymore. "

            1. 0
              13 November 2016 19: 13
              Quote: opus
              It is oversized, has three tiers and does not work anymore. "

              I am assuming that a certain part, from the side of the plant, was paid so that the installation would never work and everyone believed that everyone died and the documentation was lost.
              Trochs are sloppy but from the heart.
              1. +1
                13 November 2016 21: 18
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                from the side of the plant, it was paid that the installation would never work and everyone believed that everyone had died and the documentation was lost.

                hardly.
                They were "thrown":
                "Hey! You are up there!
                Again, there is no escape from you.
                "
                they had to survive.
                And the documentation (on the welding process of the Tu-160 ridge) is half a ton of paper (3 cube).
                Where to store? who needs it? (in those days MOT!)

                There is no documentation of OMKS "Bupran" and RN "Energia" and WILL NOT FIND!
                Again "senators"?
        4. +13
          12 November 2016 11: 53
          When the Americans cut the new Tu-160, Ukrainian pilots cried
          1. +12
            12 November 2016 18: 33
            It was not the Ukrainian pilots who cried but the Soviet, the Ukrainian rejoiced.
            1. +2
              12 November 2016 23: 39
              Ukrainian, too, was not on high — breadwinners, but on their urgent, beggarly pension, Anyone would cry! Although the planes are really a pity, the Tu-160 seems to me to be a standard of beauty in aviation!
        5. +8
          12 November 2016 12: 16
          ... The second was utilized Tu-160 with tail number 13, built in 1991 ...

          You copied from the article, and there is a typo (I got it without reading it myself)
          B / n 12 (on the 13th there was neither Priluki nor the USSR Air Force)
        6. +11
          12 November 2016 18: 24
          No words ... It’s not even a matter of independence ..... Lord, will the hunchback live to see a fair trial! It seems that our state is writing indulgences to every Gorbachev, chubais, etc. ..
        7. +2
          12 November 2016 23: 05
          When the Americans cut the new Tu-160, Ukrainian pilots cried

          the first thing that comes to mind, the most literary - creatures ... those who allowed it ...
        8. +1
          12 November 2016 23: 31
          And how could one raise a hand to such beauty? In a word, Ukraine!
      2. Cat
        +6
        12 November 2016 11: 02
        Yes it is really a joy! High sky over your head!
        Thanks for the good news !!!
        1. +17
          12 November 2016 11: 57
          By the way, in the compartment is a revolving system with cruise missiles! This will be the new Russian roulette - one of the missiles with a nuclear warhead ....
          1. +6
            12 November 2016 18: 26
            Better another, only one of the missiles with the usual warhead .. Maybe someone will be lucky ...
      3. +2
        12 November 2016 20: 32
        Quote: Trevis
        spruce swan! Handsome man!

        How many I do not look at him, damn it has such a sad face = Tip, you can call the lads, the bananas are dumb. Only 20 megatons .. laughing
      4. 0
        13 November 2016 00: 59
        White Swan! Handsome man!
        Most beautiful strategist in the world))) There are no options ...
    2. +30
      12 November 2016 10: 57
      Mdyayaya, not bad, Borka then swelled the country, that even at the factory there were no drawings left ....
      1. +20
        12 November 2016 11: 03
        Yeah, what we do not store, having lost crying.
        Damned 90s with Chubais privatization, her mother is in a rocker.
        Nichrome did not think about the future of the country, only about his pocket ......
      2. +15
        12 November 2016 11: 04
        I did not think that I would defend EBN, but 8 pieces were taken from Svidomo as a debt, i.e. saved
        1. +26
          12 November 2016 11: 29
          True, in 1999, the GDP was already the prime minister, maybe he gave a drunk EBN a signature laughing At that time, GDP saved Makeev’s design bureau with a plant in Miass from conversion, i.e. liquidation. The Makeevites, the gods of liquid rockets, were still imposed on the solid fuel theme under the Union, they failed it with the R-39 and Bark, therefore they wanted to fix it, but ... They made the Dolphin Liner in justification and now sculpt Sarmat ahead of schedule. GDP has done a lot before the presidency to save Russia good
          1. +1
            13 November 2016 21: 27
            Quote: hrych
            when did the GDP save Makeev’s design bureau with a plant in Miass from conversion

            The roots are here:
            The supreme control body of the country, the Accounts Chamber conducted (1995) audit of the State Property Committee:
            Crime Against Nation and State - so the auditors praised the activities of Chubais. The wording is extremely harsh: the State Property Committee has been put at the service of competitors and enemies of Russia, the country's defense complex is being deliberately destroyed, the largest enterprises, design bureaus, research institutes are deliberately brought under bankruptcy and sold for nothing ...

            . Having sold 46 815 enterprises, the State Property Committee of Chubais gave the treasury less than one million (million!) Dollars, while a similar privatization in the Czech Republic in volume was half as much - 25 000 enterprises - brought state revenue of 1,2 billion (billion!) Dollars.
            Hopefully the bullet when the thread finds its Hero?

            Interview with Anne Williamson, author of the controversial book "Contagion"

            "Chubais can still only be touched with white gloves"

            Matt Tabey, Editor-in-Chief, The Exile

            "The result of the" reforms "was the transformation of the country's richest country on earth into a raw material appendage, ruled by a criminal oligarchy and bureaucratic thieves."
        2. +1
          12 November 2016 20: 34
          Quote: hrych
          I didn’t think that I would defend EBN

          This is not his merit, there normally people who are in the subject were “killed”.
          1. 0
            12 November 2016 23: 11
            This is not his merit, there normally people who are in the subject were “killed”.

            His merit, for which the people are grateful and grateful to him every year for leaving the post ahead of schedule ... although I am tormented by vague doubts - why did he come ??
      3. +13
        12 November 2016 11: 06
        Borka was not the only one to drink, the whole country was in a binge.
        Or maybe you don’t need to cook a beam? So much time has passed, maybe technology will allow the whole product to be immediately bungled? Who is there on titanium? AVISMA? Can they forge a blank immediately? Maybe not titanium but carbon fiber?
        If you change a half-plane already, can dig deeper?
        1. +4
          12 November 2016 17: 23
          do you want to go around equal strength? although the use of other materials may give something. hi Tatars should not fail. if the Kremlin does not add up. hi
          1. 0
            12 November 2016 19: 39
            Quote: megavolt823
            Tatars should not fail. if the Kremlin does not add up.

            But the Kremlin is worth it! wink
        2. +5
          12 November 2016 17: 24
          Quote: Felix99
          Or maybe you don’t need to cook a beam? So much time has passed, maybe technology will allow the whole product to be immediately bungled? Who is there on titanium? AVISMA? Can they forge a blank immediately? Maybe not titanium but carbon fiber?

          necessary and unprofitable
          do you even imagine this beam?
          Alas, I don’t see the number, this wide thing is exactly in the middle of the picture, to which the rotary wing assemblies are attached.
          (http://img11.nnm.me/9/6/2/5/f/65859b158c22f34adf
          00f81c853.jpg)
          1. +3
            12 November 2016 17: 39
            Quote: prosto_rgb
            do you even imagine this beam?

            - so here you are, Reindeer (s) belay
            - this picture, yes to the article good

            Quote: prosto_rgb
            Alas number - not to be seen

            - there are numbers of docking "places"
            - for a beam - numbers from 11 to 16
          2. 0
            12 November 2016 19: 15
            beam like no. 19?
        3. +3
          12 November 2016 20: 41
          Quote: Felix99
          Borka was not the only one to drink, the whole country was binge

          Maybe, but then, in 79, the people came up to the welder (regime plant), it was necessary to weld, on the surface, attempts to weld were not allowed. Welded openly sleeping with his mask buried on the table. They put a detail on the table, damn it, I haven’t even seen this in the movies ...
          NOT REMOVING MASKS FROM THE Muzzle OF THE FACE, NOT THE ELECTRODE _ TO CHECK THE IGNITION OF THE ARC, it is very simple and routine, pulls the part to itself and .. immediately starts cooking .... Literally, like a pencil I brought it to the paper and drew it, IMMEDIATELY !! !
        4. +3
          12 November 2016 20: 45
          Quote: Felix99
          Borka was not the only one to drink, the whole country was in a binge.

          In this you are wrong ... The country was not into a drinking bout, the country was drunk, betrayed, plundered, tore apart ... And now a museum has been erected for this "cockerel". What is it, the dream has not passed? or did the mind not start working?
          1. +2
            12 November 2016 23: 16
            And now a museum has been erected for this "cockerel". What is it, the dream has not passed? or did the mind not start working?

            look at it on the other hand - this is a place where grateful Russians can come and spit ... and add a few words of the great and powerful .... sometimes obscene, but very accurate ...
      4. +6
        12 November 2016 11: 07
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        no drawings left at the factory

        - the "documents" mentioned in the article are not necessarily "drawings"
        - perhaps some part of the installation documentation has been lost
        - if the installations themselves are restored, they will be restored and
        documentation ...
      5. +6
        12 November 2016 13: 26
        ... "It wasn't bad Borka then swelled the country" ...
        There (with us), along the way, in each workshop at each plant there was more than one pair of "Borek".
      6. +8
        12 November 2016 14: 24
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Mdyayaya, not bad, Borka then swelled the country, that even at the factory there were no drawings left ....

        I can't digest Yeltsin either, but you shouldn't hang all the dogs on him! In my memory, in the early nineties, at one civilian plant, technological equipment and documentation for "dead" products were neatly packed and preserved, and, probably, they are still stored. It is not necessary to hang local carelessness and theft on the supreme power! hi
        IMHO
      7. +5
        12 November 2016 14: 27
        Drawings !? Then the unique plants were scrapped! After the 90s, we will continue to calculate losses for a long time, and now we are just starting to recover, and that’s not all. Therefore, any technological or scientific breakthrough with us is really a feat.
      8. 0
        12 November 2016 20: 52
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Mdyayaya, not bad, Borka then swelled the country, that even at the factory there were no drawings left ....
        Reply Quote Complaint More ...

        the struggle is not in the topic. Such, more precisely, SUCH things are not the fruit of a lone dizigner, it’s at least a couple of three departmental institutions and at least two-three KB, a lot of pieces of paper, however .. wink
        And the assembly plant has a local binding - the type of where to insert something. Another plant has its own dose - what to cut. And finally, collect, you need to shove in the electronics, and already sewn for this hadvare, and "only then will we start and finish a new house!" laughing
    3. +3
      12 November 2016 11: 44
      Yes, my heart rejoices, few believed that it would be possible to restore the production of these strategists!
    4. +2
      12 November 2016 12: 59
      Quote: hirurg
      Damn ... Well, that's like a balm for the soul.

      The news is certainly good, no doubt, but ...
      "ELU is used to weld the center section. If we do not learn to make this beam again, there will be no new Tu-160,

      They will probably learn to learn, but only when ... there are a lot of questions on the TU-160M2 topic. And one of the main ones is the General possibility of restoring the production of these strategists. Second: How long will the prototype be prepared for state testing? Third: The cost of a new strategist? And fourth: The number of Swans in the series.
      On the last issue, taking into account the stated figures of 50 cars, I recall the price of a Swan from the times of the USSR-250 million rubles apiece.
      In general, everything is still very uncertain. And in the light of all this, many forget that the development of PAK DA is also announced, which has recently been quiet.
      1. +6
        12 November 2016 14: 50
        Here, probably, the point is not entirely in the Tu-160M2, before making a PAK YES one must have a well-established production of at least something similar to it. Otherwise, it will be sheer hell - to master the design at the same time and create a production "from scratch", it could not be worse! Therefore, the Tu-160M2 will be brought to a stable series and they will calm down on this, and how many of them will be produced will depend on the progress of the PAK DA project and the MO Wishlist.
        IMHO, of course. hi
        1. +1
          12 November 2016 20: 56
          Quote: engineer74
          Here, probably, it’s not entirely the Tu-160M2

          Probably it is, the former pace and achievements are not fully available, we need to build up "muscles" - now I look = young people have appeared at the factories, few, but steady growth, sometimes even small ones flicker, well, like the Soviet GPTUs wink , this is funny, but very pleasing to the soul !!
        2. 0
          12 November 2016 22: 26
          Is this PAK YES needed? Tu-160m2 is enough for the eyes for the next 30 years. And then maybe technologies will be completely different and in general the need for such aircraft will disappear. How much is it possible for a 30-year-old to forecast over the horizon?
    5. 0
      12 November 2016 17: 15
      Quote: hirurg
      Damn ... Well, that's like a balm for the soul.

      "Everything turned out to be in a state of disrepair," - the Vperyod! Correspondents did not hide the state of affairs with the two installations. According to them, even no documents were left
      .how to say.....
      GAP (Kazan Giproniiaviaprom - author's note) approved a new layout of the workshop ... Currently, each stage of work is detailed ... By March 30, 2017, it is necessary to work out and accept the ELU-24, UVN-45 units, start manufacturing subassemblies of the central beams and swivel assembly ".
      that is, the first glider will be assembled in 5 years not earlier.? and mind you, not "unparalleled", but a Soviet invention. that I am not at ease ... maybe the T-34 will be riveted? -cheap and a lot ... what Well, you see, the plane is undeniably good for its time, but, to re-build an enterprise to produce a rarity ...? I am very stupid .... I do not understand ... and PAK YES? what
  2. +1
    12 November 2016 10: 59
    now ... they will attract everyone who is able to do at least something in this regard. "

    The news is certainly good! But we will live to March, see the graphs .....
  3. +6
    12 November 2016 11: 03
    and the drawings should probably be sought from Boeing or Lockheed Martin ... as I understand it, the work to restore the drawings of the aircraft is completed, it became clear what and in what quantities it is necessary, and now the stage of restoration of technological chains has begun ....
  4. +15
    12 November 2016 11: 06
    In the West, if not used, then for conservation. And we always have a rout. Examples are endless. Ships, aircraft, cannon artillery. It seems that there are solid "enemies of the people" in the leadership.
    1. +3
      12 November 2016 15: 04
      These actions are very similar to revenge on the bosses, who in those wild times stole beyond measure, and the authorities privatized everything that was possible and not, in fact, robbed the people. As a result, we have a defeat worse than a war. Even more regrettable is the debacle in the brain. A generation is growing up with mostly dollar signs in their eyes. Eh - ma! .And our hard workers, I am sure, from a locksmith to a leading engineer will make the "White Swan". Such beauty must live and fly.
    2. win
      +4
      12 November 2016 16: 51
      in the leadership solid "enemies of the people

      One "little Chubais" could do something soooooooo! ..
      The decommunization plan was perfectly executed by Chubais.
      Strong fag like a tumbler toy.
      And Kvachkov is still sitting ...
  5. +3
    12 November 2016 11: 07
    “They began to restore unique technology at the Kazan Aviation Plant named after Gorbunova -

    Failed up and begin to recover heroically. But better later than never.
  6. +5
    12 November 2016 11: 08
    Breaking - not building sad Therefore, restoration seems to be a daunting task. It remains only to wish success to Kazan citizens and hope that the first modernized "swans" will arrive on time soldier hi
  7. +18
    12 November 2016 11: 25
    About the installations. Vacuum installations do not "consume" too much electricity, at least for a working plant it is a drop in the ocean. There, electron-beam guns for welding - 2 pieces of 100 kW each - this is not a lot. But there are a lot of kilovolts - 60. Therefore, when welding, X-rays are fired from there - be healthy. That is why they turn on the installation AT NIGHT. So that the people around do not run around. It's difficult to cordon off a rig the size of a two-story hangar!
    And the installation will be restored, I have no doubt about it. I was on "Electromechanics" recently - more alive than all the living. Izhevtsev also work. So - it's up to the Tatars - they will put things in order at the KAZ - new Tu-160M2 will fly. The pride of strategic aviation.
    1. 0
      12 November 2016 19: 02
      In a pair of ELU-24, UVN-45, the idea is to eat more UVN, which is essentially a giant muffle furnace, only under vacuum.
  8. +1
    12 November 2016 11: 39
    And why not release, the Tu-160 in civilian performance. After all, this has already been done more than once, and the Tu-4 was redone, and the Tu-16 in my opinion. Although the market for supersonic airliners is no longer available, there is a niche, but there are no competitors. No one in the world is flying in civil aviation right now. Let it be expensive.
    1. +1
      12 November 2016 13: 45
      Quote: jayich
      And why not release, the Tu-160 in civilian performance. After all, this has already been done more than once, and the Tu-4 was redone, and the Tu-16 in my opinion. Although the market for supersonic airliners is no longer available, there is a niche, but there are no competitors. No one in the world is flying in civil aviation right now. Let it be expensive.

      Actually, he was already in civilian performance, TU-144, if I am not mistaken, and it was from the civilian that the military was born.
      1. +1
        12 November 2016 16: 57
        On the contrary, developments on that 144 were used to create 160.
        1. +1
          12 November 2016 20: 49
          So I wrote.
    2. +1
      12 November 2016 14: 00
      Goryachki eats a lot - not profitable ...
      1. +1
        12 November 2016 17: 00
        It’s not a matter of fuel, but of the country's prestige; these planes can only be used in a Russian state-owned company with 10-15 aircraft, no more, if necessary, reverse conversion to a bomber, sort of white elephants of aviation, and the entire aviation industry in Russia.
        1. 0
          13 November 2016 04: 58
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          in 1968, so I flew almost on a strategist!

          You regret such moments later because you didn’t take a selfie laughing
  9. +3
    12 November 2016 11: 40
    I really want them to succeed.
  10. +5
    12 November 2016 11: 52
    Our shots are all-but there are almost no shots left. That there is one plant, the whole country was destroyed and plundered.
    1. win
      +5
      12 November 2016 17: 30


      the whole country was destroyed

      But the President of Tataria Shaimiev in those troubled times did not allow collective and state farms to be "decommunized". The harvests were record high. And the vocational school was not completely destroyed. Personnel were needed not only by the aviation plant, but also by the helicopter and KamAZ.
      So there is hope !!!
    2. 0
      12 November 2016 18: 04
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      Our shots are all-but there are almost no shots left. That there is one plant, the whole country was destroyed and plundered.

      such thoughts are not allowed on VO! You will be whipped! You undermine faith in humanity! The country was not destroyed, but transformed! and not stolen, but privatized! (By the way, did you take part? Eh? Admit it, how many "vouchers" have you raked in? On which coast of the Laptev Sea do you have your estate?) wassat
      1. +2
        12 November 2016 18: 16
        maybe you already have enough to fool around? it’s not funny at all.
  11. +3
    12 November 2016 12: 07
    Quote: chauffeur
    In the West, if not used, then for conservation. And we always have a rout. Examples are endless. Ships, aircraft, cannon artillery. It seems that there are solid "enemies of the people" in the leadership.

    Joseph Vissarionovich must be raised!
  12. +2
    12 November 2016 12: 19
    the LORD himself sent him.
  13. 0
    12 November 2016 12: 29
    Quote: DIMbor
    I really want them to succeed.

    Yes, this is a good thing. The Tu-160 fleet for a great country is simply ridiculous - 16 units. But on the other hand, you are thinking the same thing. The answer of our overseas "partners" is not the resumption of production of the B-1B, and not the release of additional B-2, but accelerated design of a NEW aircraft, the next generation. As a result, in 20 years we will begin to receive an aircraft that is 40 years old, and they will begin to produce a new one. Our military budget is not rubber, and aviation is only part of it if we invest well in Tu- 160, it means new developments will slow down. hi
    1. +3
      12 November 2016 12: 57
      So judging from the article, they will already be making Tu-160 m2, and I think this is already a slightly different model. Yes, and after all, you need to start with something, you need a platform with which you can push off.
    2. 0
      12 November 2016 15: 11
      There is a reason in your words, but, I hope, the planners wondered about the resources, the time and chose the option most suitable, I really hope. Or maybe Russia now and only have time to restore the TU-160 to battle.
    3. 0
      13 November 2016 17: 01
      say B-1B is a good car, but with B-2 everything is much more complicated - very expensive, and not entirely successful, probably for this reason they are designing "something new" to replace unsuccessful aircraft. and if the plane is successful (like the Tu-95 or B-52), then it's 70 years in service and nothing. And B-2 seems a bit early to write off, but ...
  14. +2
    12 November 2016 12: 32
    Quote: You Vlad
    Yes, my heart rejoices, few believed that it would be possible to restore the production of these strategists!

    Well, production is still a long way off - by the end of the 17th only the workshops are pulled up, and there is still the development of technologies that does not endure fuss, so somewhere in the region of 2020 m. wait for something. They broke it quickly, but quickly build and have a good quality problem, alas. Good luck to the factory workers! hi
  15. +1
    12 November 2016 12: 46
    They will probably do for a long time, but some of them have already begun
  16. +4
    12 November 2016 12: 52
    those who previously ruined the titanium welding and installation workshop, should be put on trial for sabotage and theft .... By what works this technology was created and is now being restored, and how easily some unprincipled beasts collapsed. God forbid that it happens again so that they were able to save unique technologies and equipment despite the difficulties. Alas, Ukraine is still in ruin. It’s a pity, because there are technologies and any power can make good money from them, and there will be a reason for pride, but alas ... there’s sales in Ukraine but Nemai master.
  17. +5
    12 November 2016 14: 10
    Quote: BLOND
    ... The second was utilized Tu-160 with tail number 13, built in 1991 ...

    You copied from the article, and there is a typo (I got it without reading it myself)
    B / n 12 (on the 13th there was neither Priluki nor the USSR Air Force)

    Board number 13, in my opinion, did not exist at all in the USSR Air Force. In different parts of the Air Force, problem number 13 was solved in different ways: in some regiments there were no side numbers starting with 1, for example 1ae - numbers started from zero, the second ae from two, the third from three. In our regiment there were boards 11, 12, 14, etc. The 13th number was simply ignored. And although the USSR was a country of atheists without superstitions and prejudices, no one wanted to risk it. You never know! am
  18. aba
    +3
    12 November 2016 14: 21
    "If only in this workshop there was a rout ..."

    And after all, no one will answer for this! But the centers of the name of every EBN open ... Oh, no words !!! Printed ...
  19. 0
    12 November 2016 14: 47
    Well, what if they restore the technology, plus given the new features,
    you can use it not only with airplanes.
    1. 0
      12 November 2016 14: 55
      There is little technology, you need equipment, but you don’t see what is already needed. Bending the beam in a funny way
  20. +1
    12 November 2016 15: 11
    Here it is karma, it comes when it is pressed. There was no wise leadership. And all that was required was to establish protection for the canned workshop. Although with our “drifts” from corner to corner, you will not envy our people.
    1. +3
      12 November 2016 15: 19
      Not for that, at one time they were falling apart to restore.
      While we are trying to recreate the old, others are building a new one.
      With these methods we will continue to be ... It is clear where.
      Why is China creating factories with 0, and we are all trying to recreate the USSR, albeit with unique technologies taken separately. And where is our machine tool industry, without which there is no step to take?
      1. 0
        12 November 2016 15: 39
        You can’t argue with numbers (there is only machine tool construction):
        http://kaivg.narod.ru/st11.pdf
        Taken here: http://kaivg.narod.ru/
      2. +1
        12 November 2016 16: 23
        A great example of the organization of production under the control of the party. We must take an example from them if we want to survive. Liberalism and democracy get along badly with us, turning into anarchy and lawlessness, so it's time to end this. Each error has a name - the wise words of I.V. Stalin, which are relevant today more than ever.
        1. 0
          12 November 2016 20: 59
          A great example of the organization of production under the control of the party. We must take an example from them if we want to survive. Liberalism and democracy get along badly with us, turning into anarchy and lawlessness, so it's time to end this. Each error has a name - the wise words of I.V. Stalin, which are relevant today more than ever.

          You take an interest in the Chinese organization of production, do you want to live and work like this? You can now refuse free education and pensions (although, in the light of what is happening in our country, it is from China that we take an example).
          In one well-known book there is such a character Sebastian Pereiro, an ebony wood merchant, and so in the world there is a whole state producing and selling wood-YELLOW.
          And our business is oil and gas at the price that will be appointed.
  21. +2
    12 November 2016 15: 38
    They didn’t immediately try to request a piece of titanium of the required length from the metallurgical plants? If you divide 1,7 mld into 50 planes, you can grind it from a whole blank.
    1. +1
      12 November 2016 15: 58
      Piece of titanium laughing there one needs a lot of aircraft, and its deformation must be processed rather than cast sharpened
      1. +2
        12 November 2016 16: 26
        Have you seen how rails do? And how long is the rolled stock? Very often people create difficulties for themselves from scratch, and then they are heroically overcome. As I understand it, this part is not connected from a pile of small pieces, but only 2 finished pieces are welded. Our moneybags billionaires do not know where to put the money, so it was necessary to interest them so that they rolled not 2 pieces, but one whole.
        1. +3
          12 November 2016 16: 40
          Quote: Sergey333
          Have you seen how rails do?

          - I even saw how slabs roll onto the wire, eslico ...

          Quote: Sergey333
          Very often people create difficulties for themselves from scratch, and then heroically overcome them

          - for sure. Under the Union, those who invented the technological process for the production of this beam did exactly that. fool

          Quote: Sergey333
          As I understand it, this part is not connected from a pile of small pieces, but only 2 finished pieces are welded

          - exactly
          - connect 2 halves, left and right
          - half before milled (it's a hint, note)

          Quote: Sergey333
          interest so that they roll not 2 pieces, but one whole

          - this is not a rail
          - there the thickness is variable and the cross section is variable
          - rolling such a thing is technically impossible ...

          Cool down already stop
          1. 0
            12 November 2016 16: 56
            there they just roll it and then mill it
            1. +2
              12 November 2016 17: 03
              Quote: jeka424
              there they just roll it and then mill it

              Quote: Cat Man Null
              rolling such a thing is technically impossible

              - does not contradict one another even once, the same?
              - rolling alone is not enough to get the finished product - I said just that request
              1. 0
                12 November 2016 17: 11
                Agree with you
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  22. +2
    12 November 2016 15: 52
    Quote: Shadow of the Dark
    Then the unique plants went into scrap

    I don't know how true, but somehow I read such a story in the media. At the end of the 80s, the USSR ordered some kind of unique plant with unique equipment in Germany. Paid several billion dollars. A few years later, the contract was fulfilled. The Germans loaded the train and brought it to the place ... but there was no longer the Union, there was no ministry, there were no officials who signed the contract, and no one needed the unique plant with all the unique equipment. Nobody at all, because there were no such unique technologies anywhere in the world. And it was also impossible to return it to the Germans, and a lot of money had to be paid for a simple train. And the currency cannot be returned. And one official from that pr-va "young reformers" suggested a radical way out - they dug a huge pit and threw all the unique stainless equipment there. And they buried it. And everyone is happy.
    But until recently, they wrote that in Kazan everything is in good condition. And it’s like it ...
    1. +2
      12 November 2016 16: 31
      Here, they wrote about KVZ that everything was wonderful with them, and the pictures were beautiful, (although the workshops were without workers there), and now KVZ reports to the shareholders about many billionth losses for this year. Here, the Cossacks are what beautiful articles write, mishandled and well paid, and you and I open our ears and believe everything that they write here.
    2. +3
      12 November 2016 16: 31
      Such reformers should be taken to the 2018 World Cup stadium with a poster around their necks, put on their knees and finished off with a headshot from a machine gun. Then there will be progress in all spheres of society. We should not shy away from such methods of "re-education", we are no worse than China or Iran.
      1. +1
        13 November 2016 00: 56
        It’s a pity to spend ammunition on such reformers, and they are not worthy. For them came up the gallows hi
        1. 0
          13 November 2016 09: 10
          Present the bill for cartridges to the relatives of Judah, although it is advisable to shoot some individuals with the whole family.
  23. +2
    12 November 2016 16: 17
    Liberals are the main enemies of the Russian people, and not only the Russian. The 90s did more damage to the country than WWII. Better to start a nuclear war than to repeat this bacchanalia. This is a lesson to us for the future, which we do not dare to forget. Living perpetrators of lawlessness must be judged and publicly shot, and property of relatives should be seized in favor of the state.
  24. 0
    12 November 2016 16: 25
    Quote: goncharov.62
    And they have become brothers for a long time ...

    Yes, I've been talking about for a long time .. As well as the fact that the people responsible for "looking after" and analytics in Ukraine in our Foreign Ministry and Foreign Intelligence Service need to be held accountable, people have not done their job completely, and after all, these are probably salaries and titles and pensions ..
    Let them answer ..
  25. 0
    12 November 2016 17: 32
    one of the most beautiful "Inhabiting" Birds in Russia! good good
  26. 0
    12 November 2016 17: 50
    And whose engines, I wonder? Kuznetsovsky?
    1. 0
      14 November 2016 21: 17
      Yes, NK-32. Samara is already engaged in full recovery of their production
  27. 0
    12 November 2016 18: 11
    Here for all these tricks Gorbatom and EBNu insert aspen cola.
  28. 0
    12 November 2016 18: 16
    At TAPOiCH, welders worked in a vacuum chamber "Atmosphere" as cosmonauts, welded parts of the Il-76 chassis.
  29. +2
    12 November 2016 18: 57
    Great machine.
    But damn it, for 40 years it is already hopelessly outdated. And it’s not even about the electronics, which since then have made a revolutionary breakthrough, the glider itself is outdated ..
    In fact, we have now signed the impossibility for Russia to create a NEW sophisticated technique ... the Union has rolled / degraded to the former level of RI ...
    1. +1
      12 November 2016 19: 55
      Quote: Großer Feldherr
      the glider itself is out of date

      Back in the 70s of the last century, mankind has reached the limits of jet aviation in speed, in this sense the glider has not become obsolete since then. So their Valkyrie and our Tupolev weaving already crossed this line and did not go further than experiments. Therefore, the Tu-160 is LARGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN HISTORY military aircraft supersonic aircraft and aircraft with variable wing geometry, as well as the heaviest combat aircraft in the worldhaving the highest maximum take-off mass among bombers. it's the same the fastest bomber of those in service. Is there a better glider in nature? belay
      Quote: Großer Feldherr
      we have now signed the impossibility for Russia to create a NEW sophisticated technique
      This liberal thesis is refuted by Yars, Iskander, Caliber, S-400,
      the PD-14 engine, although all products are a continuation of Russian engineering, they were created exclusively in the Russian Federation, all the latest KRET products are also inaccessible to the USSR due to problems in this direction. There is also a perfect satellite constellation.
      1. +2
        12 November 2016 20: 08
        It would be interesting to find out from GrоBer Feldherr, how exactly is the Tu-160 glider outdated Something I see adversary neither B-52 nor B1 is in a hurry to decommission.
        1. 0
          12 November 2016 20: 45
          It is one thing to maintain in service and even modernize as we progress, and it is quite another thing to resume production after 40 years ...
          Look at the cars of the 80s and the modern car market, then compare the electronics of those years and the most sophisticated digital world around today to understand what happened in avionics and technology.
          1. +2
            12 November 2016 23: 19
            Why are you writing about the resumption of production of an airplane 40 years ago? Are they going to put the old avionics on a new plane? And the engines will go through the modernization phase and equipment. But you wrote about an obsolete glider, so what is it out of date? Yes, and you know, comparison with cars is completely inappropriate here. The automotive industry has a completely different task, and everything there is based on changing the image (fashion plus show-offs) and improving comfort and safety. Here we are talking about the capabilities of the combat complex to effectively carry out the tasks. The complex can successfully solve these problems, which means it is still on the wing. Yes, of course I want new models to come into service and all that. But at the moment it is more profitable to do what has already been sufficiently mastered both from the point of view of production and from the point of view of operation. And yet, it seems to me that the decision to resume production of the modernized Tu-160 was dictated by the fact that science, and the development of weapons and countermeasures, is developing too quickly, and because of this, it is extremely difficult to develop requirements for a promising bomber. Or do you want to act, such as our partners, who created an expensive V-2 (subsonic by the way), costing 2 billion bucks, and use it for primitive bombing, including free-falling bombs? Well, they don’t peck at their money. It seems to me that expediency should be present in everything.
    2. +1
      13 November 2016 01: 02
      Are you an aviator? What do you mean by saying that the glider is out of date? Glider Tu-95 and American B-52 for 60 years. With a new filling and armament, they perform tasks typical of modern conditions. Tu-95 in Syria has proven this.
      And the plane of the 50s Tu-16? The Chinese are still releasing it, although they have modernized it, but this affected the glider only in connection with the installation of new engines instead of the RD-3M500 hi
  30. 0
    12 November 2016 20: 41
    Quote: borov
    Why is China creating factories with 0, and we are all trying to recreate the USSR, albeit with unique technologies taken separately. And where is our machine tool industry, without which there is no step to take?

    And because the methods of management are different - we have broken with socialism and forgotten, and they develop on this basis without denying the merits of socialism. They also had their own imbalances, but they survived and went on. Our communists quickly transformed themselves into barchuk and tried to destroy everything quickly, kissing passionately with the "partners" who helped this and clapped their hands! hi
    1. 0
      13 November 2016 12: 04
      Quote: Vlad5307
      And because the methods of management are different - we have broken with socialism and forgotten, and they develop on this basis without denying the merits of socialism. They also had their own imbalances, but they survived and went on. Our communists quickly forged into barchuk and tried to quickly destroy everything, kissing passionately with the "partners"

      They, unlike us, were allowed to do this. Rothschilds and co. pouring in their capital to make China a new center of globalization (from 42 minutes - video below).

      And the states will probably merge on the sly, at the same time the debts that the US has accumulated in the green from the whole world will be reset to zero. Hitler, too, they "pumped up" at one time, and then set on the USSR.
      The Chinese are also not an independent nation. Whoever gave the loot will order the music. That is why a tank plant was built in inner Mongolia, where conditions are closest to our Siberia. And "our communists" were allowed to rip apart the USSR and Russia, since our country has never and does not fit into the plans of the global elite. They only bother them. This is how we profiled the country 2 times in the 20th century: first the Russian Empire, then the USSR.
  31. 0
    12 November 2016 21: 05
    I read the thread and oh ........... Not only experts and warriors are couches, but also aircraft designers, welders, turners, milling machines ..... belay
  32. 0
    12 November 2016 22: 50
    Quote: Zibelew
    Russia offered $ 25 lyam apiece, Ukrainians offered to buy back $ 100.
    At the same time, the United States paid $ 1 million for each utilized aircraft + the cost of disposal itself.

    THIS WAS A CRIME BEFORE THE AIRCRAFT.
  33. +2
    12 November 2016 23: 31
    Isn't it easier to design a new one? With all the drawings and already on the computer, and not on whatman paper?
    And not with titanium, but from composites that everyone is switching to?
    1. 0
      15 November 2016 21: 05
      The list of modernization includes an increase in range with the same engines, most likely composites will be widely used there.
    2. 0
      15 November 2016 21: 47
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And not with titanium, but from composites that everyone is switching to?

      - with all due respect - in the article we are talking about the center section beam (the figure shows the red arrow)
      - this is the main structural element
      - and let it be better from titanium. Nafik composites stop

      PS: since I once graduated from the physical chemistry MISiS, I still have a certain concept of both titanium and composite materials Yes

      Actually, the beam:

  34. 0
    13 November 2016 05: 56
    It is good that optimistic notes sounded in the final article. Yes, try just do not!
  35. 0
    13 November 2016 11: 06
    Quote: You Vlad
    When the Americans cut the new Tu-160, Ukrainian pilots cried
    And the Soviet pilots did not cry,
    From February 12 to February 13, 1992, six SU-24M combat bombers from an air regiment stationed near the city of Starokonstantinov, Khmelnitsky region, while performing training flights, suddenly disconnected communication with the ground, headed north and landed near the city of Shatalovo, Smolensk region in Russia. 12 people left the location of the military unit on the territory of Ukraine, including five regimental commanders of different ranks, including the chief of staff of the regiment, who took with him the regimental banner, for the safety of which he was personally responsible. In Starokonstantinov, a meeting of the regiment personnel was held, which condemned the hijackers, who acted, according to the participants in the meeting, against the will of the collective, for the most part who had sworn allegiance to the people of Ukraine. Officers, warrant officers and privates appealed to the President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk, the Minister of Defense of the Republic Konstantin Morozov with a request not to disband the unit, but to assign it the name "First Ukrainian Bomber Aviation Regiment" and hand over the blue-and-yellow combat banner with the new symbols of independent Ukraine.
    1. 0
      13 November 2016 21: 54
      In Kyrgyzstan, in the suburbs of Frunze there was a helicopter regiment, mainly mountaineers from Afghanistan. After the collapse of the USSR, they all flew into the air and flew to the nearest base in Russia.
  36. +1
    13 November 2016 19: 16
    Quote: Yuyuka
    When the Americans cut the new Tu-160, Ukrainian pilots cried

    the first thing that comes to mind, the most literary - creatures ... those who allowed it ...

    These creatures Gorbachey and Yakovlev, recruited while studying at universities. These two freaks and destroyed the great and mighty. For such crimes execution without trial. And how much has Gorbachev done and how much else is classified under the heading
  37. 0
    13 November 2016 21: 51
    Unfortunately, during the dashing privatization, we lost a lot of enterprises, now we are restoring everything.
  38. 0
    14 November 2016 06: 18
    Quote: 16112014nk
    Quote: Shadow of the Dark
    Then the unique plants went into scrap

    I don't know how true, but somehow I read such a story in the media. At the end of the 80s, the USSR ordered some kind of unique plant with unique equipment in Germany. Paid several billion dollars. A few years later, the contract was fulfilled. The Germans loaded the train and brought it to the place ... but there was no longer the Union, there was no ministry, there were no officials who signed the contract, and no one needed the unique plant with all the unique equipment. Nobody at all, because there were no such unique technologies anywhere in the world. And it was also impossible to return it to the Germans, and a lot of money had to be paid for a simple train. And the currency cannot be returned. And one official from that pr-va "young reformers" suggested a radical way out - they dug a huge pit and threw all the unique stainless equipment there. And they buried it. And everyone is happy.
    But until recently, they wrote that in Kazan everything is in good condition. And it’s like it ...

    I assure you, there are no fools sitting there, this equipment was taken out and stored by someone who needs to be sold, if it has not yet been sold. And they dug up a tale about you.