The armament of the destroyer Zumwalt was too expensive

The shells for 155-mm cannons mounted on the newest US destroyers USS Zumwalt turned out to be too expensive - the cost of each reaches $ 800 thousand, reports RIA News Defense News post.

“Such a high price is associated with a sharp reduction in purchases of Zumwalt destroyers. The production of ammunition for them was not massive, but piece and costly, ”a military source told the publication.

The weekly recalled that initially the US Navy planned to purchase 28 ships, but in the end this number dropped to 3's. The first is already commissioned in October of this year.

“Two 155-millimeter cannons are mounted on each of the destroyers. They can only work with LRLAP (Long Range Land-Attack Projectile) guided high-precision projectiles specially designed for them, ”the article says.

The armament has passed all the tests, there are no complaints about it. The only problem is very expensive. Therefore, the command intends to abandon the LRLAP.

The military has already begun to look for alternatives. “The difficulty lies in the fact that the USS Zumwalt automatic projectile feed system is designed for LRLAP. Find similar ammunition of the same size is unlikely to succeed, it is necessary to completely change the software, ”writes the publication.

Most likely, they will not find a replacement in the near future, and the destroyer will have to take up combat duty without ammunition, the weekly concludes.

Comments

[The black]

The only problem is very expensive. Therefore, the command intends to abandon LRLAP.
The military has already begun to look for alternatives

Let some Arab sheikh be boiled up. He will ride his harem on this yacht

[Gray brother]

Quote: Black

Let some Arab sheikh be boiled up. He will ride his harem on this yacht

Or let them give it to Ukraine.

[Giant thought]

Nobody canceled the laws of the economy, so the not-so-successful destroyer will cost a minimum of shells that have already been fired. The Napoleonic plans of the creators of this monster are more and more hindered by either technical problems or lack of funds.

[K-50]

Quote: Thought Giant

the not-so-successful destroyer will cost a minimum of shells that have already been fired.

So you still need to practice firing !!!
Probably they will conduct stem firing as before.

[Titsen]

Quote: K-50

So you still need to practice firing !!! belay
Probably they will conduct stem firing as before. laughing

Or computer shooting - it's even cheaper!

Mattress-striped SEAFARERS!

[Thrall]

Isn't it cheaper to shoot Humvee armored cars? They have already learned to bomb

[dorz]

One salvo at a cost like two Ferrari. It should be interesting on the contrary.

[A jacket]

Quote: Giant thought

The laws of the economy have not been canceled ...

The laws of economics already have a very mediocre influence on American reality. They have not considered grandmothers for a long time.
They will sell Russia an extra pack of freshly printed bonds, and shells for Zumwalt will be ordered for the proceeds.
Yours is not a problem.

[The black]

Quote: Gray Brother

Or let them give it to Ukraine.

Ukraine is not allowed. Glass fool ... beads ... ..for five minutes .... Either immediately drown, or break

[Gray brother]

Quote: Black

Either immediately drown, or break

They will spread bacon and pray to him in Great America. This is, of course, if the balsa superstructure for firewood is not taken away.

[Gray brother]

And in general, Zumvolt was built by ancient Ukrainians. Here is the evidence:

[activator]

Quote: Gray Brother

And in general, Zumvolt was built by ancient Ukrainians. Here is the evidence:

Do not be jealous and will you ever learn how to build such

[Gray brother]

Quote: activator

Do not be jealous and will you ever learn how to build such

We don’t have such a good gift.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Gray Brother

We don’t have such a good gift.

Ok, I see "His grenades are of the wrong system .."

[win]

yellow-black color? Clear! Fat is loading ...
To better glide. Know how ...

[The black]

Quote: Gray Brother

And in general, Zumvolt was built by ancient Ukrainians. Here is the evidence:

It’s just that a party of priestesses of love who arrived with their ramp was delivered to the ship ..

[Fransys.drake]

Ukraine is not capable of completing and maintaining normally "Ukraine", where there is Zumvolt

[Temples]

Ukraine is unable to complete and maintain "Ukraine"

There are extra quotes at the end of the sentence. Without them, everything falls into place.
Ukraine is not able to complete and normally maintain Ukraine.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Black

Let some Arab sheikh be boiled up. He will ride his harem on this yacht

Or let them give it to Ukraine.

Three Baltic tigers also will not refuse. One at all. Poland, if that helps.

[Lukich]

Quote: Gray Brother

Or let them give it to Ukraine.

but they just push him to the Arabs

[NEXUS]

Quote: Black

Let some Arab sheikh be boiled up. He will ride his harem on this yacht

I read the comments and am amazed ... Gentlemen! Promising destroyers are building mattresses, aircraft carriers are laying, multipurpose nuclear submarines are being handed over to the fleet ... and what do we have? MAPL Kazan when at least sent for testing? Is everything good with corvettes and domestic gas turbines? The last destroyer when we had it built?
Why are you sitting gibbering? Unlike us, mattresses build ships of the ocean zone, test new technologies, lay nuclear submarines and modernize the fleet ...
Or will we rejoice in the transfer of RTOs to the fleet and believe that they are capable of drowning a destroyer or adversary cruiser? Are you seriously?
Why are you sitting here grinning?
In addition to mattresses, British, French, Germans build and lay serious surface ships and submarines, and this, for a moment, is also NATO forces. And we sell unfinished corvettes to Indians. We have been building multipurpose nuclear submarines for 20 years. We drive the old Kuzya as a young man and are very angry that Europeans are laughing at him. But when Henry Ford built mattresses, few said that it was the 11th ATOMIC US aircraft carrier with an air wing many times greater than Admiral Kuznetsov. But they laughed amicably from for the problems that arose during the tests of an aircraft carrier on mattresses. Do you hear yourself, gentlemen?

[Titsen]

Quote: NEXUS

Do you hear yourself, gentlemen?

We hear ourselves, we hear.

But so far only one joy has remained (or rather, WE have left!) - to rejoice in the failures of the adversaries.

So far, only this ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: NEXUS

Why are you sitting gibbering? Unlike us, mattresses build ships of the ocean zone, test new technologies, lay nuclear submarines and modernize the fleet ...

If anything, God forbid, of course, there will be nowhere to return to this fleet.

[Temples]

Why are you sitting here grinning?

What do you suggest?
Storm the Kremlin? Or should everyone get up and go build new ships? What is the essence of your indignation?
Just scream? There is no other meaning in your indignation.
Ahhh, everything is gone, they are building and we are not, we are building not that and not in those quantities. Ahhhhh! Do not laugh, and do not cry! Ahhhhh! Everything is done not as I want, not as I wish! Aaaaaaa

[NEXUS]

Quote: Temples

What do you suggest?

Dear, my suggestion is in the post itself. It may be enough to be like the Khokhlov with their inflatable fleet, who, just like you are lying on a mattress, grin at ours. From the side you, and people like you look ridiculous, like Ukrainians galloping on the Maidan.
And the second: instead of stupidly sitting and gossiping over the fact that mattresses are developing their fleet, which, by the way, is the most powerful in the world, can we talk about what is going on with us?
It’s not patriotic to talk about the problems of our fleet, it’s better to ride like a baboon and shout in three throats -UURA! TIP ALL !. Why are you going to tear, dear? Not a flying mace? Or RTO with Caliber will drown AUG adversary?
Sit over Zavolvol laughing ... And our destroyer Leader, forgive me where? In the layout?
They have more Berkov than we have destroyers, frigates and corvettes combined.
What are your smiles about?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Gray Brother

If anything, God forbid, of course, there will be nowhere to return to this fleet.

First, our ICBMs will have to go through this "funny fleet" of mattresses with IJIS, so that it has nowhere to return, and fight off a swarm of axes released by the same fleet (I will not say anything about amphibian ICBMs).
We at the pride of the fleet Boreyakh how are things with the main caliber? Still teach the mace to fly? Doesn’t resemble anything, no? I give a hint-history of the F-35.
These our laughs resemble the stupid laugh of Ukrainians who also laugh at our fleet, while having a fleet of inflatable boats.
It’s stupid to laugh at a neighboring Mercedes when you yourself ride a minibus, gentlemen!

[Vasyan1971]

Why do we need such "promising" shnyags? Throw in crazy money and send them on alert with empty barrels? And judging by the map - if we are a "sea" power, then not too much. Or as at the beginning of the last century - they overstrained, built dreadnoughts-battleships, which remained at the berths (and BOTH) of the war. And the war came, and no rifles, no cartridges, no field artillery, no shells for what they managed to scrape together. Whisper!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Swell crazy money and send on combat duty with empty trunks?

And what about "throwing in crazy money", and then cutting the aircraft carrier on pins and needles?

Quote: Vasyan1971

And judging by the map - if we are a "sea" power, then not too much.

To be a naval power, which we were before the collapse of the USSR with the largest submarine fleet, it is necessary to build ocean-going ships, not MRKs, and then get lost in the "stupid" Americans.

Quote: Vasyan1971

overcame, built dreadnought battleships, which stood at the berths (and BOTH) of the war

To avoid this, you need a balanced fleet, which includes ships of the coastal zone and submarines of different classes and purposes, and ships of the first rank. That build the same mattresses. And we today, above the frigates we did not rise in the building. Destroyers are not being built, we are not laying cruisers ... I will not say anything about the aircraft carrier. And what about the submarines we have? We plan the Varshavyanka, whose project has been around for decades. How much do we develop anaerobic plant? The Germans have such a SU for a long time and is not anything supernatural.
We’ll talk about nuclear submarines? When will MAPL Kazan be sent at least for state tests, do not remind? And the mattresses, meanwhile, are transferring the 13th Virginia Class MAPL to the fleet. They laid another Borey. Just do not say that the Mace, its main caliber flies as God puts on the soul.
And where is the balance of the fleet? Most of the ships we have built in the USSR. Moscow is almost 40 years old!

Quote: Vasyan1971

And the war came, and neither rifles, nor ammunition, nor field artillery, nor shells to what managed to scrape together. Lepota!

Dear, to be a de facto strong power, the fleet is obligatory. Grandfather of Peter the Great, remember.

[Vasyan1971]

Fleet fleet discord. Remind the composition of the OCEAN Fleet at Grandfather Peter the Great. With grandmother Catherine the Great, by the way, too. And Russia was then considered a strong power. De facto.
It is not worthwhile to catch up with the sea powers rich in finances and traditions and try to avoid the navel tear. No need to compare the elephant and the whale. The range and conditions of existence are different. To demonstrate the flag and the response guaranteed pi ... ts (sorry) enough? Well enough. Or do you, dear, expect our admirals to assemble a powerful squadron and rush to storm Florida?
I agree about a balanced fleet. But its formation and financing are neither mine nor your competence. I suspect that our advice will be of little interest to anyone.
When was an aircraft carrier cut on a slipway? Under what internal and external conditions?
And the mace will fly. How and where to. I don’t worry myself, dear, I advise you the same.
PS There was a figure in our history who was excited on missiles to the detriment of the rest. We will not be likened. In addition to the fleet, we also have an army. And a long land border.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Fleet Fleet discord

That's it. The mattresses have a balanced fleet, but do we have today?

Quote: Vasyan1971

It is not worthwhile to catch up with the sea powers rich in finances and traditions and try to avoid the navel tear.

Dear, who is talking about catching up and overtaking? We are talking about building a fleet that will adequately and guaranteedly be able to respond and resist threats, both from the sea and from land.

Quote: Vasyan1971

To demonstrate the flag and the response guaranteed pi ... ts (sorry) enough?

Of course, enough to demonstrate the flag. You can also sit on the oars with the flag and demonstrate to the corns on the palms. But so that our merchant ships would sail smoothly across the seas and oceans without being afraid of anything, I’m afraid it’s not enough, just as it’s not enough to beat our heels in the chest and say that we are a superpower.

Quote: Vasyan1971

When was an aircraft carrier cut on a slipway? Under what internal and external conditions?

Are you very worried about the conditions for the destruction of Ulyanovsk? But you do not care how much money was taken there, time, resources, no? But you decided to push for politics here, speaking about the conditions. Remind you how Kuzya became Russian, or do you remember?

Quote: Vasyan1971

And the mace will fly. How and where to. I don’t worry myself, dear, I advise you the same.

Oh well what, right? But for some reason the Bulava does not want to fly. As Solomon does not sweat over her, he does not want to. And in fact, the marine component of the nuclear triad rests on the Dolphins and Sineva.

Quote: Vasyan1971

In addition to the fleet, we also have an army. And a long land border.

So why the hell, dear! Maybe this fleet is his and we will sit quietly on our mainland and hope that they will not see us?

[Vasyan1971]

"Mattresses have a balanced fleet, but what about us today?"
I am forwarding your question to the General Staff. People are more competent than you, dear, the opinion is apparently different from yours. Moreover, do not live in the present day, look boldly into the future and believe in your State.
"Dear, who is talking about catching up and overtaking? The talk is about building a fleet that is adequately and guaranteed to be able to react and resist threats, both from the sea and from land."
Dear, where did it say about "overtaking"? Be more accurate and correct, it will only benefit you. And, explain how you can "adequately and guaranteed" "react and resist" with less advanced means? Parity should be at least. Does the concept "asymmetric" mean anything to you? And how will the OCEAN fleet, adequate to the leading powers, help us "withstand threats, both from sea and from land." Where? In the Baltic? In the Sea of ​​Okhotsk? In the North Ice Ocean? Hawaii? Will help the fleet adequate to the threats. And our threats are not in the Indian Ocean.
About the demonstration of the flag and calluses, it’s you, dear, in vain. It doesn't suit you. But is something threatening our merchant fleet? I do not hit the heel in the chest - my legs bend badly. And I consider Russia a superpower without cheers-patriotism. Whatever you think about it ...
"... But you decided to push for politics here, speaking about the conditions ..." Politics, among other things, is the reverse side of the economy. What will you "push" about the economy of that period? And who signed Order No. 69-P of February 4, 1992? You probably did not catch or missed this year. And how they actually stole, breaking into the Mediterranean TAKR "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" I remember. Without most of the crew and wing. Rescued. And then Kravchuk would have let him go under the knife or sold it to the Chinese. Enough reminders?
And do not wang for the Mace. Everything will be as it should.
"So why bother at all, dear! Maybe, well, his this fleet and we will sit quietly on our mainland and hope that they will not see us?" And again - do not distort dear! My point is that you shouldn't support one ally at the expense of another. And remind me, where in the entire history of Russia was the main battle fought? Priority? Both us and the existing fleet are well seen.
Yours!

[Bayonet]

Quote: NEXUS

Why are you sitting here grinning?

Well, finally, common sense began to appear! Everything is correct Andrey!

[Bogenovav]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha x
ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: BogenovAV

ha ha ha ha

There is such a toy, but there is nothing to shoot! It's a shame, understand!

[Urfin]

Even if it were ... an expensive shell, what purpose could it have? Just as planned by the creators?
To expensive high-tech facilities - this is in China and the Russian Federation, but Zamvolt would not be allowed to reach artillery shots. There remains only countries to which the ship can approach a distance of 110 km. But they do not have sufficiently expensive targets that would justify the use of these shells.

[guzik007]

But no one has thought of the following thought. With one shell you will not sink any ship. Theoretically speaking, the destruction of, say, a battleship will require shells at a price almost exceeding the price of this battleship itself.
However ... Even the Americans are too smart: =))

[Alex777]

They were going to put these guns on Burke III series.
Then there would be a large series and a lower price.
But it seems they have changed their minds. Apparently, the application concept has changed.
These shells were hardly planned against us, rather against China.
In the modern fleet, the battleship is only Peter the Great, and then with a stretch.
And Sheffield - Exocet's engine was enough to burn out and sink.
The warhead did not even explode. So everything is not so simple.
In any case, the news is good - we won this arms race!

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: guzik007

With one shell you will not sink any ship.

They want to work with this artillery against coastal targets, support their landing. Heavy artillery systems cannot be dragged with you in the first wave of the landing and aviation cannot constantly "hang" in the Charlie zone. And there is always a whole battery at hand. Bullet, I don’t want to- - it's cheap after all ...
They have the option to either buy expensive shells or create a cheap shell for this system, but then the missile accuracy of the fire is lost and the Marines will not receive the required support.

[Bayonet]

Quote: guzik007

However ... even the Americans overdid

That you dear even cheated with battleships! Whose battleships will the Zumwalt fire from its cannon? they only remained with Oleg Kaptsov!

[silverwolf88]

Dear ... PERFECT ... super expensive - MORE BETTER ... for me there are so many more of these ships ... submarines and other weapons for the United States and its budget (they will print wrappers for themselves) ... but how to conduct the military actions ... to service ... to deliver ammunition ... this is the topic ... and the more difficult it is for the enemy ... the better

[NEXUS]

Quote: silberwolf88

Dear ... PERFECT ... super expensive - MORE BETTER ... for me there are so many more of these ships ... submarines and other weapons for the United States and its budget (they will print wrappers for themselves) ... but how to conduct the military actions ... to service ... to deliver ammunition ... this is the topic ... and the more difficult it is for the enemy ... the better

I'll give you one example ... Remember this MAPL SIVOULF "SEA WOLF"? Very expensive, which was released in only three copies. And it seems like everything is fun, maybe expensive and impractical. But the mattresses scratched the pumpkins, thought, and began a series of Virginia-class nuclear submarines, so to speak, the economy version of Seawolf, which, by the way, is one of the best in its class.
And today, the United States with Illinois has 13 such MAPLs, with the series supposed to be 30 units. But why talk about it, if you can stupidly not notice this?
Taking into account the whole NATO Ocean Fleet (Germans, French, Americans, etc.), we need to build ships and submarines twice as fast as mattresses, so that we can effectively withstand this marine machine. And we have been building Ash trees for 20 years, and Boreas with us without the main caliber go to the seas in fact.

[hirurg]

Egyptian sea pyramid! Mausoleum!
The situation is almost like with the F-35.

[igorka357]

Harosh to procrastinate this zumwalt, as a combat unit of the fleet can be expensive! For some reason, as a promising platform for testing new weapons and developing new concepts, it’s a great boat! Remember our SU-47 Berkut, also not a fighting unit, for some reason serves the Motherland faithfully , not one development was tested on it!

[Urfin]

not a fig yourself a comparison. Ship and prototype aircraft ...
Already somehow looks funny. That is unnecessary, expensive, does not work. But then a platform for experimentation.
What are these engineers and scientists who, in the 21st century, need real combat units for a lot of money for experiments and testing of technologies ... The one that does not need mistakes when planning promising developments is called a "cunning plan".

[A jacket]

In vain do you worry about the US military budget. How much he will require money, so much the United States and draw.
If they lose their leadership in the military sphere, they will have to pay foreign debts. And these are krants.

[Urfin]

You can draw money, but here it is not so simple. This is still not candy wrappers. do not simplify.
But what cannot be drawn is production and research facilities. If Zamvolt was built, then something else was not built. It could be much more dangerous for us. So Zamwalt makes me happy, even though it is a "platform for new technologies".

[alexmach]

He who does nothing does not make mistakes. In Russia, engineers and scientists are also failing the program of rearmament of the surface fleet and are also building ships "with problems." This one has 80 more rocket launchers, the cannons may overwhelm ... Although, of course, it is somehow not at all smart to put the gun mount only under high-precision shells, but on the other hand, can you trust the message of this article?

[Krasniy_lis]

Quote: Urfin

But then a platform for experimentation.

a platform for experiments is needed not in such a massive quantity and not for that kind of money. So call a spade a spade. It drank. And what is the USA and drank there no? Well, there it is lobbying.

[igorka357]

Well, in vain, all the same, the minuses were canceled !!! First, dear, the Golden Eagle was developed as a promising complex, then it turned out to be very complex and time-consuming in the manufacturing process, that is why it began to be called a flying laboratory !!! !

[NEXUS]

Quote: igorka357

Sit down deuce, ship and prototype !!!

And you can’t put a deuce? Remind you of the fate of the first Soviet aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk, which the whole country was developing, and how much did this treasury cost?

[igorka357]

Soooo ... onwards, otherwise I don’t understand something ..))?

[NEXUS]

Quote: igorka357

Soooo ... onwards, otherwise I don’t understand something ..))?

What is incomprehensible then? Tomorrow with parents at school and in the diary count, in red ink.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Urfin

not a fig yourself a comparison. Ship and prototype aircraft ...

For interest, take an interest in how much time the development of the T-4 bomber and the 195 object got into the USSR state. And then where did all these developments go.

Quote: Urfin

That one should not call mistakes when planning promising developments a "cunning plan".

Well, then the Bulava project is not a cunning plan, but then what?

[Urfin]

Cool ... Yeah, let's start with mindfulness.
I said nothing about development, development is always good, and money in this case is always a lot of money.
But can one compare (once again, without taking into account the development) the construction of the T-4, facility 195, S-47 with the construction of the Ship?
After all, all the technologies that are in it - could (once again - without taking into account development) be tested on other ships in the order of modernization. It will be much cheaper and 6 most importantly, more efficient.
As for airplanes and tanks (once again, excluding development), their prototype is comparable in cost with the modernization of old aircraft and tanks, and therefore it is not correct to compare S-47, T-4 and Zamvolt (again - excluding development) .

Mace?? Are you seriously? The mace has a specific purpose and necessity, and, unlike Zamvolt, no one justifies it as a "platform for experiments", etc. Although, as on any new model, everything that has been developed is tested on it.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Urfin

Cool ... Yeah, let's start with mindfulness.

I agree, let's start with her darling.

Quote: Urfin

therefore, it is not correct to compare S-47, t-4 and Zamvolt (again, without taking into account development).

You do not like the T-4 with the Golden Eagle, no problem ... let's compare with Ulyanovsk. At the same time, we recall how mediocre it was with him and the money invested in him.
Do you doubt that mattresses will squeeze everything out of Zamvolt to the maximum for the money that they invested in it?

Quote: Urfin

Mace?? Are you seriously?

Absolutely seriously.

Quote: Urfin

and unlike Zamwalt, no one justifies it as a "platform for experimentation"

And excuse me, how can they justify it, can I find out?
I, dear, already cited the example of Sivulf ... it was also expensive, and it was just as laughter about the printing press and about the wunderwafel ... however, Virginia appeared very soon, which mattresses are regularly built on a regular schedule, and not 20 years old. And now tell me what to laugh at if amphibians have 13 Virginia-class MAPLs, and we have one Ash-tree for 4 fleets?
Want to talk about destroyers? Not a question. When was the last destroyer class ship launched and handed over to the fleet? And what about the Leader project, do not remind, and at what stage is this project?
It doesn't seem to you personally that in the fleets everything is not so rosy with us to shout, Hooray! , and not tired of rushing caps, laughing at the fact that mattresses every day make their fleet stronger?

[K-50]

Quote: igorka357

For a promising platform for testing new weapons,

Well, if as a target, then yes, he will have to serve as a "guinea pig".

[NEXUS]

Quote: K-50

Well, if as a target, then yes, he will have to serve as a "guinea pig"

Exactly! Our RTO Karakurt with 8 calibers will come out into the ocean and kaaaak will start to wet the "rabbits".

[notingem]

Do not go broke in trials

[spirit]

Oooh, the ships were not massively purchased, although you can weld on consumables) I think if you search you can still find "golden" consumables on this ship

[igorka357]

Quote: silberwolf88

Dear ... PERFECT ... super expensive - MORE BETTER ... for me there are so many more of these ships ... submarines and other weapons for the United States and its budget (they will print wrappers for themselves) ... but how to conduct the military actions ... to service ... to deliver ammunition ... this is the topic ... and the more difficult it is for the enemy ... the better

Unfortunately, these merikos with logistics are all right at the moment, and this is sad!

[Wedmak]

these merikos with logistics at the moment everything is in order

Here is how else the delivery of these shells would not cost the cost of the shells themselves. Again, due to their small number. Although not ... $ 800 000 apiece ... who am I ... if they bring TWO shells to the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III, there will already be savings. Gee-gee ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: Wedmak

Otya don’t ... $ 800 apiece ... Choi is me ... if they bring TWO shells,

for one and a half of these projectiles, you can purchase an "Ax" ... The estimated cost of which is $ 1,5 million.

[Wedmak]

Cool. Well done. Just enchanting. Here's how to design a gun for one type of projectile, which is also a new one, which is also incompatible with the rest, which is also expensive? And at the same time hope for mass production, they say it will reduce the price.
I applaud while standing !!!
I hope at least standard rockets there ????

[Engineer]

To find similar ammunition of the same size hardly succeed, have to completely change and software

Those. changed the firmware and shells fit? Holy Kaya technique ...

[Wedmak]

Those. changed the firmware and shells fit?

No, there they seem to have some kind of programmable detonation and the projectile itself is controlled. Although I do not understand what the problem is to shoot the same, but without control and correction. Or will the gun not survive this shame?

[alexmach]

The fire control system, you see, needs to be modified to fire unguided shells.

[BOB044]

They’ll do the slingshot and armed, and save money. But drowning with expensive shells from the Caliber missiles is unnecessary.

[Bayonet]

Quote: BOB044

They’ll do a slingshot and armed, and save money.

But this is plagiarism!

[Mountain shooter]

Is the printing press broken? I don't recognize Matrasia. What does it mean - expensive? They are "seven in one blow", and for the sake of this - nothing is sorry

[Karaul73]

Yes, they will print more dollars and buy shells as needed. If the system is adopted, then they will service and purchase everything.

[Diana Ilyina]

Karaul73 Today, 08:38 AM New
Yes, they will print more dollars and buy shells as needed

Do not rush with phrases the meaning and meaning of which you do not understand. They can print wrappers, of course, but they won’t be able to buy anything for them inside their USA. The dollars that they print go mostly only to foreign markets, they do not spin inside the US itself, otherwise they would have inflation of hundreds of percent. So don’t grind nonsense, they won’t buy anything.

[iConst]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

The dollars that they print go mostly only to foreign markets, they do not spin inside the USA itself

They print Treasuries. And Treasury "security" is on the computer keyboard.

But the problem is that some dollars flow into others through loans and other projects. Otherwise, how would a fifth of the SGA eat and buy?

In general - my opinion - the whole world will forgive the debt of treasury in exchange for the soft withdrawal of the SGA from the world stage.
But if the pendants get into trouble - to be in trouble.

[prior]

This "wunderwaffle" will come across a rusty mine from the Second World War .... and woo - a - la!
What did the Stars and Stripes think when they started all this?
The features of the coffin in appearance are evident.

[voyaka uh]

"This" wunderwaffle "will come across a rusty mine from the Second World War" ////

Zumvolt has a powerful sonar.

[Krasniy_lis]

Quote: voyaka uh

"This" wunderwaffle "will come across a rusty mine from the Second World War" ////
Zumvolt has a powerful sonar.

What side is the sonar to the mine? Is she with the engine and makes a sound? Suddenly.

[iConst]

Quote: Krasniy_lis

What side is the sonar to the mine? Is she with the engine and makes a sound? Suddenly.

Actually, a sonar is essentially an underwater acoustic radar. The principle is the same - scanning for reflections from obstacles.

But in the light of the flashed information that we are conducting research on the piezo-coatings of submarines, which are both sensors and emitters, mines may appear that distort the picture - for example, it will be visible as a school of fish.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Krasniy_lis

What side is the sonar to the mine? Is she with the engine and makes a sound? Suddenly.

Unexpectedly, this is confused with a hydrophone sonar.

[K-50]

Two destroyers of 155 mm are installed on each of the destroyers. They can only work with specially designed for them guided high-precision shells LRLAP (Long Range Land-Attack Projectile). The shells were too expensive - the cost of each reaches $ 800 thousand

Let out - had fun, counted - wept.
Apparently, the contractors' rollback to decision-makers was so great that they turned a blind eye to the cost of shells, which are almost the same in weight as those made from precious metals. And with these "precious buns" they wanted to impose crap democracy.

[vanavatny]

and for whom they were going to shoot from this? More than half a century of natives with spears pressed ...

[igorka357]

Quote: Wedmak

these merikos with logistics at the moment everything is in order

Here is how else the delivery of these shells would not cost the cost of the shells themselves. Again, due to their small number. Although not ... $ 800 000 apiece ... who am I ... if they bring TWO shells to the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III, there will already be savings. Gee-gee ...

Yes, stop joking when the state is on a military footing, and the existence of the country itself depends on victory ... do you think they will save? The USSR threw all its strength into victory, we had eight-year-old children standing at machine tools and putting out lighters, the whole industry worked to win and industry didn’t pay for it, because it makes no sense when the country is on the verge of destruction! If the Americans start a war with us, they will print their candy wrappers ten times more, and if they need to buy ... so do not write bullshit! War for profit it can be expensive, a war for survival, financially it will not be expensive, since survival itself will be at stake!

[Wedmak]

. Do you think they will save?

Well, you compared. If in the USSR, and in Russia, defense plants are owned by the state, then in the USA, private companies are actually engaged in the defense industry under a contract with the state. And then something doubts creep in at me that they will work by order from the White House, without money.

we have eight-year-old children standing at the machines

Turn a blank for a shell - yes. But here it’s a completely different matter, a guided projectile is a rather complicated device. During the 2-th World War, even the USSR saved on everything it could. Even in 44-45 years. And here is one shell, $ 800 thousand, and then, in the conditions of economic recovery and the availability of resources.
It turned out that two shells are more expensive than one Tomahawk missile launcher. Well, how were they going to fight them?

[potroshenko]

Quote: Wedmak

Well, you compared. If in the USSR, and in Russia, defense plants are owned by the state, then in the USA, private companies are actually engaged in the defense industry under a contract with the state. And then something doubts creep in at me that they will work by order from the White House, without money.

This is clear to the horse that in the event of a war in the USA, defense enterprises will work on the orders of the government, and your doubts about such elementaryism raise doubts about yourself and the price of your comments.

[igorka357]

Is it really not clear that when the country is on the brink of disaster, there will be no private shops, blue caps will come from us, and I don’t know which ones they have and they will say .. "from this day the Northrop Grumman corporation belongs to the US government" .. you will object ? I very much doubt that someone dared to refuse the NKVD when they politely asked for the needs of the front !!!

[Diana Ilyina]

Igor357 Today, 08:43
so don't write bullshit

That's it, do not write nonsense!

USSR threw all its forces to victory

And he did just everything to reduce the cost of production, and not vice versa. In the USSR, they understood perfectly well that the war is won not by piece, expensive wunderwaels, but by massive and cheap types of weapons. Take the example of at least the same Tu-2, it began to be mass-produced only in 1943, when the turning point in the war was already obvious, but the whole the industry is brought to full capacity. The "carcass", in contrast to the "Pawn", was more expensive and complex, so at the initial stages only "Pawns" were made. Pe-2 produced more than 11 thousand, and Tu-2 only a little more than 2,5 thousand, and for the entire time, and it was produced until 1952. And so much more. So you write nonsense.

If the Americans start a war with us, they will print their candy wrappers ten times more, and if they need to buy ...

This is complete nonsense. They can’t buy anything for these candy wrappers. Why, I already wrote above, I do not want to repeat myself.

[potroshenko]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Take the example of at least the same Tu-2, it began to be mass-produced only in 1943, when the turning point in the war was already obvious, and the entire industry was brought to full capacity. The "carcass", in contrast to the "Pawn", was more expensive and complex, so at the initial stages only "Pawns" were made. Pe-2 produced more than 11 thousand, and Tu-2 only a little more than 2,5 thousand, and for the entire time, and it was produced until 1952.

Does anyone else have doubts that this is a man, not a woman?

[igorka357]

You did not write anything above, only that the USSR was trying to reduce the cost of production! You absolutely did not understand me, when at a critical moment the country will be on the brink of destruction, production will work absolutely free, or do you think when the Russian army will approach New York , and the defenders of the city will sit without ammunition, then the factory in the city that produces cartridges will say .. "we will not release until we pay" ... you think a little with your brain !!!

[Vasyan1971]

"when at a critical moment the country is on the brink of destruction, production will work absolutely free ..."
Cool said, I swear on my cocked hat! Free, and absolutely free! Like your money will be canceled? And I remember that in the Great Patriotic War, our planes were built on MONEY donations from the Russian Orthodox Church and tanks paid for by the pioneers! And, apparently, you are completely shocked by the news that the soldiers at the front did not fight for free, and, above all, for a salary! Into the "bloody Steel" he played! Finally! Well, in SyShyA everything will be for nothing!

[GEV67]

Yes, yes, yes ... everything is bad with them just awful, and with us everything is millet beautifully and perfectly. You must write reasonably with full justification. And then just retype from the series - someone somewhere said something.

[Alex_59]

Quote: GEV67

You must write reasonably with full justification.

Well here is the rationale:

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/new-warships-
big-guns-have-no-bullets

[Masya masya]

the cost of each reaches $ 800 thousand

This shot will be a million!

[igorka357]

Bismarck shot gold bars, it's okay, with high-performance weapons it's always like that !!!

[Vasyan1971]

Bismarck (battleship, of course) suddenly and badly finished. But thank you for Hood.

[Dezinto]

Great ship! I like very much, the similarity to the dreadnought of the beginning of the century is also very stylish ..... I bought it, but ...... a little expensive. )



The dreadnought Szent Istvan was considered the most powerful weapon of the Austro-Hungarian imperial fleet. He was called the "invincible giant." Sailors were very fond of taking pictures on the background of the ship. They were proud to serve on this delicious dreadnought. Everyone was confident in the coming glory. It never occurred to anyone that this “crown diamond” could be destroyed.

Who wants to can get acquainted. Yes, and many more other events when Juuudko boasted of achievement, and eventually farted into a puddle.

[VadimSt]

It makes a good museum of modern industrial design!

[Alex_59]

Oleg Kaptsov is sinking?
https://topwar.ru/87711-okeanskiy-b-2-pervye-shag
i-zamvolta.html

At the same time, even the most high-tech LRLAP costs less than a cruise missile in 10. Saving and efficiency.

Tomahawk, it seems worth 1,4 million. LRLAP - 0,8 million. Two shots from this gun cost more than one Tomahawk, despite the fact that Tomahawk will deliver many times more explosives to the target. Saving and efficiency. Yes.

[Wedmak]

Oleg apparently did not know about such a reduction in production. Honestly, I didn’t even think that the reduction to 3 destroyers would result in such a cost per gun.
Please note - this is the cost. But you also need to make a profit. That is - a million per shell is not the limit?

[pv1005]

Quote: Wedmak

Oleg apparently did not know about such a reduction in production. Honestly, I didn’t even think that the reduction to 3 destroyers would result in such a cost per gun.
Please note - this is the cost. But you also need to make a profit. That is - a million per shell is not the limit?

What is it made of? What is so expensive. Well, there can’t be a piece of iron weighing about 50 kilograms, even with an electronic super duper filling, it costs so much. Maybe they’re making pure gold?

[Wedmak]

What is it made of?

Specialist. high-impact electronics, the same correction systems, all this needs to be driven in 155 mm, and even so that there is room for the explosive charge. Although in some respects you are right, it is difficult to imagine such prices. But if they were made in small quantities, then a piece order was obtained, so it turned out so expensively. Actually handmade.

[Bayonet]

Quote: pv1005

What is it made of? What is so expensive.

The ship is armed with two 155-mm "super-guns", firing guided active rockets (Long Range Land-Attack Projectile, LRLAP), capable of hitting the enemy at a distance of 80 nautical miles (148 km). The shells for these guns have a length of 223 cm and weigh 102 kg. The guns have a rate of ten rounds per minute on the barrel and are capable of releasing 600 high-explosive shells in half an hour. According to US naval experts, anywhere in the world there is no equivalent to such weapons. However, it is possible that the shells for these guns will not be adopted by the US Navy, writes the military-analytical publication Defense News One of the US Navy officials in an interview with Defense News said that because of the excessively high price, three or four have already been considered LRLAP replacement shell options, including the Excalibur Army Guided Projectile from Raytheon and Hyper Velocity Projectile (HVP). The latter is a project developed by the US Navy Naval Research Service and BAE Systems. In the case of replacement of ammunition for guns AGS, naturally, changes in the software of the destroyer artillery fire control system will be required. We will have to resort to the rearrangement of the mechanisms for the automatic supply of ammunition in the tower gun mounts of the ship. They are currently designed to hold 300 LRLAP shells, but it is unlikely that ammunition developed by another company will have exactly the same dimensions.

[Altona]

Yom tov, comrades. Exactly what happened to me before puzzled. "Cheap" railgun (which is not yet in the series), replaced by a coaxial 155-mm gun with expensive ammunition. All in all, this iron will be a floating power plant with radar.

[Wedmak]

If I understand correctly, there is no ammunition for the railgun either. Some test discs flying fast, but it is not clear how not very far.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Wedmak

If I understand correctly, there is no ammunition for the railgun either. Some test discs flying fast, but it is not clear how not very far.

The cost of a projectile for a railgun is several times lower than the cost of other anti-ship missiles, because this is a blank only flying at great speed (the projectile speed can reach nine thousand kilometers per hour) over a distance of 150 - 350 kilometers! The defeat of objects occurs due to the transition of its huge kinetic energy into heat.

[novel66]

there are actually two questions, why shoot so expensive crap, and whether they fall - after all, at such a high cost it is hardly possible to fully experience it. and how much is the projectile to the railgun?

[voyaka uh]

"why shoot such expensive crap, and do they hit" ///

1) For important coastal facilities.
2) Get - on them GOS. (therefore expensive)
3) The projectile passed the tests, about 200 were released. They were tested on targets.
4) There is no tested projectile for the railgun; there are tested prototypes.

[novel66]

and what important coastal facility will justify the means? are they either armored (concrete) or mobile, is something wrong?

[voyaka uh]

The idea was not new: support landing operations
artillery fire of ships. As before battleships.
It is believed that Zumvolt can do this from 150 km - that is,
not coming close to the shore, as it was before.

The overlay is that it was expected that ultra-long-range shells would be
cheaper than cruise missiles. But it turned out - no.

And all sorts of deep bunkers will be hollowed by aviation with special bombs -
in the landing operation, not only Zumvolts will participate.

[novel66]

apparently not so much to participate as to indicate participation

[voyaka uh]

Until they come up with some cheaper shells
to his charge machine. Or vice versa: redo
AZ for shells.
But he will have to go ashore
much closer.

[novel66]

operator on the shore: "closer ... closer ... a little more ..."

[Dezinto]

One thing is clear - in this dishware of computers, radars, and the number of monitors in the wheelhouse surely provides an excellent tan. Which of course is not bad in modern warfare, and surveillance. Well, they let us down with guns. And it’s also interesting what engines stand there. And how are they in terms of work? Not well, if they bought from Rawlss-Royce in England, then they must be reliable ......

[Nikita Dmitriev]

US leaders in the design of gas turbine engines and generators. So all of them got hurt with the engines.

[Krasniy_lis]

so overwhelmed that "the water of the wrong system" baffles them.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Urfin

not a fig yourself a comparison. Ship and prototype aircraft ...

Su-47 is not a prototype aircraft, it is a flying and actually a combat aircraft in one or several copies, which has not gone into series. The prototype is a practically inactive model. Su-47 flies beautifully and if armed, it will be able to fight.

[Wedmak]

Su-47 is not a prototype aircraft, it is a flying and actually a combat aircraft

Not really. And the weapon systems on it weren’t sort of like. This is precisely a technology demonstrator - a glider, layout solutions, new materials. There was only one flying instance.
This aircraft found damage to the wing, so it cannot be used in combat formation, and now it is used as a flying laboratory.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: DEZINTO

in this dish the computers, radars, and the number of monitors in the wheelhouse surely provide an excellent tan.

Probably this kind of humor? You are sunbathing in front of the TV at home;

[Dezinto]

Probably humor. deny? - offer. Do you know more?

Ah, what about monitors? - of course humor. I mean that Americans are very fond of sticking monitors. But seriously, that there is a lot of surveillance equipment.

[andrewkor]

And also to supply 3 masts with sails and other spars and rigging, and do not forget the oars, carbon fiber, essno. for ammunition.

[Thunderbolt]

It’s hardly possible to find similar ammunition of the same size, and the software will have to be completely changed, ”the publication writes.

Let them grind blanks of pure gold --- and you don’t need to change the program and save a lot

[Wedmak]

Let sharpen discs of pure gold

But does it not melt in the trunk? Yes, and the target can be smeared with a beautiful blot. Ltd.!!!!!! Blots !!! This is a paintball !!! Gold !!! From Zumwalt !!!

[uskrabut]

Yeah! Here is another dead end branch of evolution in the US Navy. No wonder - expensive technology with dubious effectiveness.

[Bayonet]

Quote: uskrabut

Yeah! Here is another dead end branch of evolution in the US Navy. No wonder - expensive technology with dubious effectiveness.

LRLAP shells and AGS guns have an excellent reputation among the ten largest subcontractors involved in the development of technology for the super destroyer. During the tests, there were no significant problems with these artillery systems.

[VladimS]

Quote: igorka357

Unfortunately, these merikos with logistics are all right at the moment, and this is sad!

Don’t be sad, you’ll be healthier!

[Observer2014]

the cost of each reaches $ 800 thousand

Plus transportation, storage, payroll Total one shot lyam! Fine!
What is the speed of the Zumvolt blanks at a distance of about 50 km?
I want to find out from them you can work out the onboard air defense of the ship.

[Banishing liberoids]

This does not comment because of the lack of words, and the admins will not miss the mat.

[Operator]

155-mm projectiles with a range of 148 km and a scanty amount of explosives at a price of $ 0,8 million almost equaled the Tomahawk missile launcher at a price of just over $ 1 million, a range of 1800 km and a warhead weighing 450 kg.

Big ship big cut

[Fransys.drake]

I am interested to know the opinion of O. Kaptsov on this issue.

[win]

They can only work with specially designed for them guided high-precision LRLAP shells

The only problem is the very expensive, exclusive charger ...
This is all an excuse to distract attention from the main problem. There is no engine yet!
A hundred slaves spin the wheel of the dynamo! ... Eat food - spin ...

Fleet Commander:
- The submarine sank to the bottom and hid, that's good.
It’s bad that the cruiser Zumwalt did the same.

So - the transition from three-layer toilet paper to two-layer.
Desperate times require desperate measures ...

[XODOP]

800 thousand dollars for art. shell ??? !!!! do they cast them entirely of gold or what ?! I suspect, of course, that the ammunition can be "smart" and high-precision, but the price tag is still sky-high.

[Wedmak]

Do they cast them entirely from gold or something ?!

Apparently hand-assembled by highly qualified American projectile collectors. Probably, milk is also given for harmfulness (work with explosives!).

[Serzh_R]

Yeah, wait, this stealth will go without ammunition on other people's territorial waters aiming at a potential enemy.
One of the main tasks will be to sneak up to a distance closer than 80 km and shoot a cannon.
Not for that sewn shirt to wear without pants.
As written in an earlier article
https://topwar.ru/35714-esmincy-tipa-zumwalt-o-se
godnyashnem-sostoyanii-korabley-buduschego.html

In the nose of the destroyer DDG-1000, it is proposed to install two AGS artillery systems with 155 caliber guns. The AGS system is a gun turret with advanced underdeck units. An interesting feature of this artillery installation is ammunition. Despite the caliber, the AGS system will not be able to use existing 155-mm ammunition. Especially for the new naval artillery, an LRAPS projectile was created. Active-reactive ammunition is similar to a rocket: its length exceeds the 2,2 meter, and after exiting the barrel, it must spread its wings and stabilizer. With its own weight 102 kg projectile can carry 11-kilogram warhead. Using inertial and satellite navigation systems, an LRAPS projectile can hit targets at a distance of at least 80 km.

The total ammunition of the two artillery systems will be 920 shells. In the styling of the automatic loading of both systems AGS will be 600 ammunition. The length of the projectile made it necessary to apply several interesting solutions in the design and operation of automatic loading. So, ammunition will be fed to the gun in an upright position. To do this, before loading, the barrel of the gun must be raised to a vertical position. Shooting is possible with an elevation from -5 ° to + 70 °. The original automatic loader, according to official data, provides the rate of fire at the level of 10 rounds per minute. Declared the possibility of shooting long lines.

[voyaka uh]

Excalibur ground forces can be accommodated.
It’s shorter, really. AZ will have to be redone.
And its range is much less: up to 40 km

[aszzz888]

The production of ammunition for them was not massive, but piecewise and costly ”,

Let's make ukrokaklam, they love to cut and plan on their knees!

[tchoni]

The trouble with this project is that they initially wanted to make it too universal. And then he must fight with boats, and with a fire support ship, he should step out, and hit air targets in low orbits, and also nail cruise missiles at "non-democrats". + ambitions in terms of using weapons based on new physical principles and reducing the team to the level of a corvette. Here, in fact, we observe the consequences. To be fair, we can say that the disease of universality is inherent in many projects .. including ours. Well, you have received a lot of experience and research material in the design and construction of this miracle ... (if they bury it, I personally will be very happy)

[Altona]

Quote: DEZINTO

And it’s also interesting what engines stand there. And how are they in terms of work? Well, if you bought from Rawlss-Royce in England, then it’s probably reliable ..

-----------------------
Already repaired, as the chips drove into the crankcase. Reliable in general. And for the removal of the engine, the body was cut with a gas cutter (!!!). Then the dvigun was repaired and put back, the case was brewed. Here is a miracle of technology.

[azer]

We saw further expensive mattresses

[Zomanus]

Well, the ship is not intended to drive the Papuans on palm trees.
There will be an urgent need, money will be found.
Well, in general, of course, recently in America there has been a direct misfortune with new weapons ...

[m.cempbell]

Quote: NEXUS

when Henry Ford built the mattresses, few said that it was the 11th ATOMIC US aircraft carrier with an aircraft wing many times greater than Admiral Kuznetsov

So what? And you, dear, were you wondering why such pies to us?

Quote: NEXUS

Or will we rejoice in the transfer of RTOs to the fleet and believe that they are capable of drowning a destroyer or adversary cruiser? Are you seriously?

Absolutely seriously. Only in addition you need another A-50 (100), more Caliber, as it turned out, and hits 2500 km. And for the price of this prodigy of such pairs you can build 5 pieces.

Quote: NEXUS

MAPL Kazan when at least sent for testing?

When sent, then we will be happy. The main thing is that they are being built, and until then the old people 677, 941 will cover us.

Quote: NEXUS

domestic gas turbines everything is fine with us

Not yet. Who knew that bros would set us up like that. But development is also underway, and thanks for that.

Quote: NEXUS

We at the pride of the fleet Boreyakh how are things with the main caliber? Still teach the mace to fly? Doesn’t resemble anything, no?

Reminds me. Only not the F-35, but the formation of our own underwater nuclear program. Look how the same "Voevoda" was taught to fly ...

Quote: NEXUS

These our laughs resemble the stupid laugh of Ukrainians who also laugh at our fleet, while having a fleet of inflatable boats.

Only here, unlike Ukraine, we have quite a powerful fleet.

Quote: NEXUS

It’s stupid to laugh at a neighboring Mercedes when you yourself ride a minibus, gentlemen!

No, when Mercedes has a loan from that neighbor, but he works in a taxi to pay it off on the same Mercedes.

[NEXUS]

Quote: m.cempbell

So what? And you, dear, were you wondering why such pies to us?

Indeed, and why the heck our fleets have air cover. We can rush at the tanks with a saber, being completely sure that the tank will bounce off of fright and give a fight.

Quote: m.cempbell

Absolutely seriously. Only in addition you need another A-50 (100), more Caliber, as it turned out, and hits 2500 km. And for the price of this prodigy of such pairs you can build 5 pieces.

Dear, Caliber, so beloved by all of us, has only 300 km on sea targets! But on land yes, that's right. RTOs for your information, does not have any more or less missile defense because of its displacement, and therefore it is the ships of the COASTAL ZONE, and they are covered by a ground missile defense. Who are you going to drown with the help of RTOs in the ocean? Say A-50 ... so take a look at how many Avax mattresses are and how many A-50s we have available ..

Quote: m.cempbell

Only here, unlike Ukraine, we have quite a powerful fleet.

Which for some reason is aging very quickly. Do not know why?

Quote: m.cempbell

When sent, then we will be happy. The main thing is that they are being built, and until then the old people 677, 941 will cover us.

Well, yes, the old people will cover it. Where do they go. But do not remind me when the head Borey was laid and when the fleet was handed over? It’s clear about Ash ... they’ll surrender, then we’ll rejoice. But it’s bad luck, Kazan has already been put off by 2 years now, which means the whole series is still there, so there’s nothing to be happy about.

Quote: m.cempbell

No, when Mercedes has a loan from that neighbor, but he works in a taxi to pay it off on the same Mercedes.

And you ask him to pay the debt ...

[m.cempbell]

Yes, we are also far from good in ALL areas. But then the reckoning for the collapse of the USSR and the ensuing chaos. Break not build, you know the saying? Now, what we’ve been breaking for 25 years, we’ll build another 50, and at the current level of government in the country, more. Only this is not so scary, while at the helm people are at least somehow thinking about their country, about its future. It will be much worse if, after Putin, some EBN or Gorbachev comes to Shoigu and lies under the FSA. Then Khan. It doesn’t matter that so far everything is bad, it’s important that the work is ongoing. Moscow was not built in a day. Not ashamed to fall behind - ashamed not to try to catch up.

[sergeyzzz]

How so? The printing press can not cope with the printing of so many green candy wrappers, proudly called liberals currency?

[Romanenko]

An ax (Zumvot) from the village of Kukuev floats on the river .... Continuation everyone knows

[Forever so]

Nothing, will be bought in Russia by the Shuvalovskie Unicorns. The most important thing was grabbed and sawn, well, to the joy of the liberals of all countries they shouted that they were building UUUUU.

[Taoist]

Here Kaptsov is upset ... the next artillery wunderwaffe turned out to be not a wunder and not a very waffe ... ;-)

[Mentat]

Quote: NEXUS

Promising destroyers build mattresses

This is not a promising destroyer, this is a stillborn project, the army refused to purchase products on which. Presumably, not just having drunk bourbon, but having discovered fatal flaws. Total: an unexploited trough (no radar, no ammunition), conceived for the purposes of PR of American technological superiority, turned into zilch.

[Al_lexx]

Almost lam in one shot? The author is probably still confusing and we are talking here at least about ammunition or something else.
My imagination cannot picture a projectile, even a controlled one, at $800 per shot.

[jovanni]

It’s okay, you can remove the guns and drive it like a yacht for someone. Look, maybe Abramovich will buy...