Russian troops delivered the first division of the complex "Buk-M3»

In the 3 quarter of 2016, as part of the implementation of the State Defense Order, the Ground Forces received the first Buk-M3 missile division, reports bmpd with reference to the Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov.

“As it can be understood from the video report of the TV channel Zvezda, the Ulyanovsk region became the place of transmission of the first division of the Republic of Kazakhstan 9K317М Buk-М3” (we recall that the final configuration of the Buk-М3 ADMS is carried out by Ulyanovsk Mechanical Plant JSC, which is part of the VKO Concern "Diamond - Antey").

The first brigade kit "Buka" should be delivered to the troops at the end of this year.

It is reported that the complex includes a command post 9С510М, a station for detecting and targeting with a radar system 9М36М anti-aircraft missiles in TPK, as well as 9Т317М transport-loading vehicles (TZM).

Comments

[Barakuda]

Ah romance ... The first Buk we taught, and now what for TTX? In a secret suitcase? Information will not be available, underestimated rates as always.
Well done boys,

[dmi.pris1]

Why do you and us need this infa, even if the "sworn partners" have a headache ..

[Barakuda]

Yes, let it hurt, but let me pride in the Fatherland!

[cniza]

It is reported that the complex includes a command post 9С510М, a station for detecting and targeting with a radar system 9М36М anti-aircraft missiles in TPK, as well as 9Т317М transport-loading vehicles (TZM).

This is a whole combat unit. Successes.

[Inok10]

Quote: cniza

This is a whole combat unit. Successes.

... the article is a bit confused ... they indicated the transfer of the divisional set ... well, the composition of the funds was transferred to one battery ... to the Air Defense Forces, the minimum tactical unit is the battery ... there are 3 batteries in the division ...

[ride78]

Something little 2PU
I thought the division is at least 6 PU. It is clear that the transport can shoot, but still not enough.

[Bekas1967]

Pride in the country is when the state employees have a wage of 100 thousand rubles, the average !!! pensions are also there!

[Albert1988]

But when the industry works normally and will produce normal products - then the salary is 100k rubles and everything is due, and beeches - this, I will tell you a secret - is one of the most science-intensive areas of this industry

[AID.S]

Quote: Bekas1967

100 thousand will be average !!! pensions are also there!

There were such salaries, in the 90s, no one experienced pride.

[NordUral]

And also when, wherever you look, beautiful cities and villages, and not just Moscow and St. Petersburg. All of Russia - from Kaliningrad to the Kuril Islands.

[NordUral]

Let him take pride, if it happens, at the victory parade.

[Sagitta]

This is not a secret for expansion) if they want to know the characteristics, they will know.

[svp67]

Quote: Barracuda

The first Buk we taught, and now what for TTX?

They ... are much higher than previously studied by you

[Alex777]

Even the fact that this article is written pride can burst unambiguously!
http://red-bear.ru/publ/armija_i_vooruzhenie/buk_
m3_vyvedet_armejskuju_pvo_na_novyj_uroven/7-1-0-2
6

[dmi.pris1]

Six "greetings" to the SDA for the dull ..

[svp67]

Well done. The new machine, and it is part of a full division, and not piece by piece ... That's just what it is worth to supply it to the troops.

[sivuch]

I don’t know, I think it would be more logical to deliver a brigade kit at once

[Vadim237]

Something management on the Buka M3 is like the old.

[sivuch]

It doesn’t seem like it. On old Bukah it was 9С470. By the way, she praised her on classmates very much

[Mountain shooter]

Wow what! Here our air defense developers have dispersed! Soon the mere mention of the delivery of our complexes will discourage the "hawks" from "democratizing" anyone from the air.
Atas in general! 70 km in range and 35 km in height at a warhead speed of up to 3000 m / s! This is a complex, some exclamation points ...

[ride78]

The guys are 2PU per quarter, 8 per year, say, 4 divisions. It will take more than 1 years to replace all 2 and 50.

[NordUral]

That's right! Let them scratch their turnips five times and change their minds.

[Alexey-74]

Great news, the 3rd Buk will very seriously complement the layered defense .... the Yankees and NATO will not give a single chance to break through our airspace

[Barakuda]

I would be wary of conclusions. It is mainly regional in Russia. (The Garden Ring, where did it come from, who remembers?) These are not states, where everything is around the perimeter ..
Maybe something has changed, correct.

[Bongo]

Quote: Barracuda

I would be wary of conclusions. It is mainly regional in Russia. (The Garden Ring, where did it come from, who remembers?) These are not states, where everything is around the perimeter ..

At present, besides Moscow and partly St. Petersburg, our air defense system has a pronounced focal character. In the United States, a bet has long been made on fighter jets; only around NASA are three NASAMS air defense systems. There are no other constantly deployed positions in the United States.

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

At present, besides Moscow and partly St. Petersburg, our air defense system has a pronounced focal character.

... an old song about the main thing performed by Sergey Linnik ... maybe the arrangement should be changed and the words rewritten? ... Kaliningrad Oblast ... ZRP S-300V, 2 ZRDN S-300, 2 ZRDN S-400 ... we do not shag grandmother ... Sergey Batkovich ...

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

an old song about the main thing performed by Sergey Linnik ... maybe the arrangement should be changed and the words rewritten? ... Kaliningrad region ... ZRP S-300В, 2 ZRDN S-300, 2 ZRDN S-400 ... we do not shag grandmother ...

Well, yes, we have the whole country - this is the Kaliningrad region, Moscow and St. Petersburg, you better tell us about how many medium and long-range air defense systems and air defense systems we have beyond the Urals. And do not forget to indicate specific modifications of the "three hundred".

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

Tell us about how many medium and long-range air defense systems and air defense systems we have beyond the Urals. And do not forget to indicate specific modifications of the "three hundred".

... well, here you are a fan of Wikimapia.org ... there are at least 3 PSAs ... ... ah, do you need to deploy for each lonely birch on the ZRND? ... and tell the honest VO community what means of attack might strike in our Urals and Siberia, I really want to listen and where ...

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

Well, here you are a fan of Wikimapia.org ... there is at least 3 ЗРП

You apparently judge by yourself? I prefer another resource, with better pictures.

Quote: Inok10

Do you need to deploy for each lonely birch on ZRDN? ...

And you are responsible for the deployment of positions in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation zrdn (small letters)? :Did not know If so, cover perhaps that at least "non-existent" S-300PS, in Siberia: nuclear power plants, dams of hydroelectric power plants, cities of a million and the position of the Strategic Missile Forces.

Quote: Inok10

and tell the honest VO community what means of attack might strike in our Urals and Siberia, I really want to listen and where ...

And what do you not know? Apparently during the Soviet era, the position of the air defense system from an excess of finance was deployed.

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

And what do you not know? Apparently during the Soviet era, the position of the air defense system from an excess of finance was deployed.

... ah, you do not know? ... that since then, the range of detection and destruction of air defense systems has changed slightly? ... no ? ... that’s how it all froze at the level of the 5V55R SAM with a range of 90 km. ? ... then refresh the knowledge of the materiel ... and didn’t hear something from which means of destruction should cover the deployed air defense systems in the Urals and Siberia? ... take the trouble to answer ... and further for small and large letters, I write for all people-people according to this and emphasize ... Your attempt to play with sim is very low as an act ... and eloquent ...

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

and, you do not know? ...

I know...

Quote: Inok10

that since then the range of detection and destruction of air defense systems has changed slightly? ... not ? ... so everything froze at the level of the 5В55Р SAM with a range of 90 km. ?

I am also aware that there are many more C-300PS armed with this missile defense.

Quote: Inok10

for small and large letters, I write for all people-people according to this and highlight ... Your attempt to play with sim is very low as an act ... and eloquent ...

Oh, how, before you were not observed such nobility, you just had to point out your incompetence - immediately to the "black list".

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

Oh, how, before you were not observed such nobility, you just had to point out your incompetence - immediately to the "black list".

... wow, this is a bid to win ... ... are you trying to culturally be rude? ... there was no other expected from you ... nothing to talk about ... blasphemy with attempts at rudeness ... and where is the answer to my question about the means of defeating the Urals and Siberia, as well as the Far East? ... so sweetly missed by your ears ...

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

wow, this is a bid to win ... ... trying to culturally-shame? ... there was no other expected from you ... nothing to talk about ... blasphemy with attempts at rudeness ... and where is the answer to my question about the means of defeating the Urals and Siberia, as well as the Far East? ... so sweetly missed by your ears ...

At the beginning of the discussion, you dear, offered me to "google", although in my opinion - this is just rudeness. I have to offer you the same ...

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

At the beginning of the discussion, you dear, offered me to "google", although in my opinion - this is just rudeness. I have to offer you the same ...

... You were asked a direct question, three times ... why you "move out" from the answer is clear ... nothing to say ...

[Damir]

Dear Bongo !!!!! or we think not ... information on SUCH cuts in the US defense budget?!?!?! where's the money??? in your pockets ??? pockets will crack .... so unfortunately a lot of things we learn only with a personal "meeting" so to speak .... and God forbid so that not as in 41st .....

[KCA]

maybe not Sadovoe, but "concrete" around Moscow time?

[guzik007]

I would be wary of conclusions. It is mainly regional in Russia. (Garden ring, where did it come from, who remembers?)
-----------------------------------
That's why, uv.Valeriy, pride should stretch the chest to the limits of the garden ring: =))
Maybe the rest of the population is still not allowed by the question tormenting Moscow: Is there life in Zamkadye?: =)))

[Genry]

Quote: Alexey-74

3rd Buk will very seriously complement the layered defense ..

In fact, "Buki" is the main echelon of Russian air defense. They have the most optimal cost / performance ratio. S-300 S-400 carry out the task of "not letting anyone get close," but in the event of a massive attack, most of the "doves of peace" will fall on the "Bukam"

[Bongo]

Quote: Genry

In fact, "Buki" is the main echelon of Russian air defense.

Oh really? Especially considering that the military Buk air defense missile system of all modifications is very unsuitable for carrying a long-term database. In addition, do you know how many combat-ready "Bukovsky" brigades we have? This number is less than the ZRB where the S-300V air defense systems are in service, despite the fact that the S-300V was built about 10 times less than the S-300P.

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

Oh really? Especially considering that the military Buk air defense missile system of all modifications is very unsuitable for carrying a long-term database.

... Sergei Batkovich ... put on the brake ... each division has a Buk air defense system ... and each army of the 4th division has 4 Buk air defense systems + an army C-300V air defense missile system and possibly a separate air defense system, depending on the state ... each air defense missile system has at least one DB position ... they work on batteries in peacetime ... you need to know the structure of the air defense of the Ground Forces ... and, then, to tear your throat ...

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

Sergei Batkovich ... put on the brake ... in each division there is a Buk air defense missile system ... and each army of the 4th division has 4 Buk regiments + an army S-300V and possibly a separate air defense system, depending on the state ... each air defense missile system has at least one DB position ... they work on batteries in peacetime ... you need to know the structure of the air defense of the Ground Forces ... and, then, just tear your throat ..

Alexey, you are describing what should ideally be. Well, of course you know how many Buk and S-300V brigades from the air defense of the ground have been transferred in recent years to the air force-air defense, where they were formed zrp, right? However, you not so long ago, in all seriousness, argued that we did not have the S-300PS in service. Or am I confusing you with someone?

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

Alexey, you are describing what should ideally be. Well, of course you know how many Buk and S-300V brigades have been transferred in recent years to the Air Force-Air Defense, where regiments were formed from them, right?

... this is the MPDITR ... for that matter ... ah, the number of transferred quite often is mentioned in the news and in the HE including regularly ... and in this article specifically ... about the transfer of the division and before the end of the year brigade kit ... google yourself? ... or remind? ... and, with regards to the old dispute ... so let me remind you that this year 5 S-400 air defense missile systems consisting of 680 units will be transferred to the VKS technicians and military specialists discussed it literally 2-3 months ago ... your position has all disappeared, air defense has not been known to everyone for a long time ... this is your personal opinion ...

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

. this is the MPDITR ... for that matter ... well, the number of transferred quite often is mentioned in the news and in the HE including regularly ... and in this article specifically ... about the transfer of the division and the brigade set until the end of the year. .. google it yourself? ...

Those. you do not know?

Quote: Inok10

and, with regards to the old dispute ... so let me remind you that this year 5 C-400 air defense missile system consisting of 680 units will be transferred to the HQS technicians and VO discussed it literally 2-3 months ago ...

And where does 5 zrp(written in small letters) C-400, and C-300PS, which, as you said, have not been around for a long time?

Quote: Inok10

Your position is all gone, the air defense has not been known to everyone for a long time ...

Those. if, unlike you, I really look at things and not "urya-patriot" - this means everything is lost?

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

Those. you do not know?

... ... it is clear that the man-Sergei does not know the decoding of the above abbreviation ... even if I do, I will remain silent as a Belarusian partisan during interrogation ... and the resource has repeatedly said about this ... that the data is prompt - the tactical means and forces of the RF Armed Forces are not announced if this information is not in the public domain ... as was the case with the S-300V air defense missile system in my province, which turned out to be a "discovery" for you ... and again ... games in " oh, tell me where and how much, but you can’t don’t know "... they smell frankly ...

Quote: Bongo

And where does the 5 zrp (written in small letters) S-400, and S-300PS, which, as you said, have not been around for a long time?

... if you recall this, your air defense / air force exclusively consisted of the S-300PS, since no other was drawn in Wikimapia.org ... ...

Quote: Bongo

Those. if, unlike you, I really look at things and not "urya-patriot" - this means everything is lost?

... started the unwinding of the "meme" from the words of Ur and the Patriot ... that's what you can see what purpose this gentleman is pursuing ... he has a "critical warehouse" ... write Sergey ... I remember you announced another article "About the current state of air defense country" ? ... the past was just dirt ... I hope in the current one you will be more objective ...

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

it’s clear that the man-Sergei does not know the decryption above the specified reduction ... even if I know, I will be silent as the Belarusian partisan during interrogation ... and the resource has been spoken about more than once ...

Good excuse!

Quote: Inok10

If you recall this, your Air Defense / Air Force consisted exclusively of S-300PS, since the other in Wikimapia.org was not drawn ...

Cite me please, where I stated this. No need to juggle, 50% and "exclusively" are not the same thing.

Quote: Inok10

.. it started to unwind the "meme" from the words of Ur and Patriot ... that's what the goal is pursued by this gentleman ...

Which one, or are you offended when they call you what you are?

Quote: Inok10

Do you remember that you announced the next article "On the current state of the country's air defense"? ... the past was just dirt ... I hope in the current one you will be more objective ...

"Mud" for not very smart people However, you could not refute any of this "dirt", only bubbles ... who is stopping you from making your own publication on this topic. Although for this, in addition to "patriotism" one must have certain knowledge, the ability to think and analyze material.

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

Good excuse!

... come on ?! ... and, not just compliance with information requirements with a signature stamp? ...

Quote: Bongo

Cite me please, where I stated this. No need to juggle, 50% and "exclusively" are not the same thing.

... already 50% .... on the basis of images from Google to talk about the state of air defense - this is strong ...

Quote: Bongo

However, you could not refute any of this "dirt", only bubbles ... who is stopping you from making your own publication on this topic. Although for this, in addition to "patriotism" one must have certain knowledge, the ability to think and analyze material.

... that gag published by you a year ago .. you didn’t even have to refute it ... just a gag ... in fact ... which has nothing to do with reality ...

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

come on ?! ... and, not just compliance with information requirements with a signature stamp? ..

C'mon, do you have access to it? Excuse me, what is your form and VUS?

Quote: Inok10

that gag published by you a year ago .. you didn’t even have to refute it ... just a gag ... in fact ... which has nothing to do with reality ...

Well, of course, the "gag" which is based on facts cannot be refuted So, what do we have with the S-300PS air defense system, are they in service or not?

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

Well, of course, the "gag" which is based on facts cannot be refuted

... if these are facts from wikimapia, wikipedia and google erch ... then this analysis of the country's air defense of the kindergarten level and to draw any conclusions based on them ... to put it mildly, it's debatable, and you almost allowed yourself to make a diagnosis ...

[Kasym]

Guys, I see you understand - let me ask you a question. Say what they put on combat duty to protect the country's airspace; and what goes to the troops and unfolds only on exercises or as needed?
They write that they transferred the new Buk air defense system to the troops - will it be on combat duty or what?
Thank you in advance!

[Inok10]

Quote: Kasym

They write that they transferred the new Buk air defense system to the troops - will it be on combat duty or what?

... yes, on battery ... one DB position always ... there they also conduct practical combat training ... the practice of shooting at Ashuluk ... previously they shot at Emba (USSR) ...

[venik]

This division arose back in the days of the USSR. Then a division arose into "Air Defense of the Country" (permanent duty) and "Air Defense of the Ground Forces" (deployed to protect military installations). The air defense of the ground forces was designed mainly for deployment "as needed" (although there were exceptions).
To understand this, you can analyze the differences between the S-300 complexes, with the indices "P ..." and "B ...".
The first ("P ..." - Air Defense of the Country) have a wheeled chassis, improved habitability (the latter is important when it comes to constant duty). Complexes with the index "B ..." (air defense of ground forces) have increased maneuverability, at the level of a tank (tracked chassis) and an armored hull. But the habitability conditions - OH !!
True, these criteria are already strongly mixed .... The same "Pantsir-C1" is used here and there! More or less like this.
As for the "Buk" - it is a classic army complex (air defense system). On an armored tracked chassis, with poor habitability, BUT! It is not intended for constant duty. There are other means for this. But, in the conditions of the database, it can also carry a constant watch (here it is "not up to fat").

[sivuch]

Strange, but I thought that in each regiment there was only a short-range air defense system-Osa or Tor, and Buki initially went into service with army-level brigades

[Bongo]

Quote: sivuch

Strange, but I thought that in each regiment there was only a short-range air defense system-Osa or Tor, and Buki initially went into service with army-level brigades

Igor, you thought correctly, the "patriotic" fantasy of "Inok" knows no bounds.

[venik]

Quote: sivuch

Beeches were originally used by army-level brigades

====
Can you really explain to me the illiterate, that there are BRIGADS OF THE ARMY LEVEL ???? And the fact that you have some kind of sweet nonsense comes out "from the pen" .....

[sivuch]

How would you explain. You see, the cutest I can only be for my wife.
So far I will quote myself, it refers to the Soviet era, but much has remained the same now.
In the Soviet air defense of the ground since 1986, a fairly clear and controllable four-level structure has been formed: in the combined-arms regiments there are anti-aircraft battalions of two or three batteries (usually three), while the three-battery battalion assumed the presence of a separate chief of the air defense regiment in the regiment, who worked as part of the command post of the regiment and the division commander who directly controlled the regiment's air defense command post. Four divisions plus an anti-aircraft missile regiment plus a reconnaissance and air defense command platoon of the division made up the division's air defense system, which was controlled by the corresponding chief. Similarly, from divisional "nesting dolls" plus an army air defense missile brigade and an army orb formed the air defense system of the army (army corps). The air defense systems of the armies plus the front-line anti-aircraft missile brigades and the radio engineering brigade made up the front air defense system, which was controlled by the Air Defense Command and the Air Force

[venik]

Quote: sivuch

Similarly, from divisional "nesting dolls" plus an army air defense missile brigade and an army orb formed the air defense system of the army (army corps).

====
Dear Game (I hope, Dear, you can be not only for your wife)! Thanks for the clarification, of course, but! If you meant "anti-aircraft missile brigades of the ARMY LINK", then you should have written it .... Careful in the wording should be, more carefully ...

[Damir]

Quote: sivuch

You see, the cutest I can only be for my wife

I will try to remember, a good phrase .... nevertheless, there is a variant of the so-called "second stage" when the S-60 from warehouses and the like will be looking into the sky ... "The cannon asked me to convey that now the mouth will be firing at all. ... "

[Inok10]

Quote: sivuch

Strange, but I thought that in each regiment there was only a short-range air defense system-Osa or Tor, and Buki initially went into service with army-level brigades

... from a division ... a regular air defense missile system of a division to a Buk ... well, what you have listed is the lot of a regular air defense missile system of a motorized rifle / tank regiment ... the level of the army is S-300V ...

[Genry]

Quote: Bongo

military air defense system "Buk" of all modifications is very little suited for carrying a long-term database.

And where is the combat duty performed? I believed that there is a single air defense missile defense center on which the sky around Russia is controlled using a network of detection stations. In the event of a single or massive violation or attack, the necessary branches or the entire air defense network are activated. In this case, the required amount of equipment will be displayed in positions, by areas of responsibility, with the possibility of centralized or autonomous performance of functions.

[venik]

Quote: Genry

And where is the combat duty performed? I believed that there is a single air defense missile defense center on which the sky around Russia is controlled using a network of detection stations. In the event of a single or massive violation or attack, the necessary branches or the entire air defense network are activated. In this case, the required amount of equipment will be displayed in positions, by areas of responsibility, with the possibility of centralized or autonomous performance of functions.

(I quote in full in order to avoid accusations of "pulling" out of context).
=====
Who would have doubted! Everything is EXACTLY SO! Here's just one BUT! It takes a lot of time to bring the equipment into position and deploy it (well, not less than half an hour, or even several hours (depending on many factors: the type of systems, the distance of the deployment positions from the deployment location, etc., etc.) So, you may not be in time for the "distribution of gingerbread" ...
And therefore, some of the anti-aircraft missile systems of air defense (it used to be the country's air defense, now it is probably the Aerospace Forces) is in a deployed state (i.e. in positions and ready to fire) and is on duty 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (in a leap year - 366!). This is the constant readiness ... Strange, it seemed to me that you should know such things !!! Well, where exactly they are deployed - well, it's not for me - it's "for Comrade Andropov"!
Well, as you yourself understand, military air defense systems, with their more than Spartan habitat conditions, are hardly suitable for such actions (well, perhaps the S-300V) .... No, of course, in the event of war, there is a threat of an air attack, they Of course they can stick out on positions in constant readiness long enough, but this is already from the extreme!

[Genry]

Quote: venik

And therefore, some of the anti-aircraft missile defense systems (previously it was the country's air defense, now apparently the airborne forces) are in a deployed state (that is, in positions and in readiness for firing) and is on duty 24 hours a day, 365 days a year

Somehow you answer pathetically. Look for the little things that are implied.

Quote: venik

military air defense systems, with their more than Spartan habitability conditions, are hardly suitable for such actions (well, perhaps the S-300V).

If you think that someone is sitting in front of the locators in the S-300 cockpits and freezing near the launchers, then you are greatly mistaken. If someone is "pulling the strap" of combat duty, then it happens in a comfortable building (such as a "bunker"), with its own dining room and amenities, using powerful radars (such as "Sky", ....).
And there is no difference in such duty between the S-300-400 and Buki, no one lives inside (it happens occasionally for maintenance). Launchers with tracking radars are activated only at the time of target designation (like your computer after hibernation, if anyone knocks on it over the network).

[venik]

Quote: Genry

In fact, "Buki" is the main echelon of Russian air defense.

=====
And here you are, my friend, and are not right !!!! Three times wrong! "Buki" have never been, are not and will not be an element of the country's air defense !! This is the CLASSIC Air Defense complex of the Ground Forces! Its counterpart in the country's air defense system (now the Aerospace Forces) was previously the S-300PS, and in the future its place should be taken by the S-350 Vityaz!

[Genry]

Quote: venik

"Buki" have never been, are not and will not be an element of the country's air defense !!

You pulled out a piece of the phrase from me, now I have you.
And it turns out that the Beeches are guarding the USA, France, .... !!!

[venik]

Quote: Genry

You pulled out a piece of the phrase from me, now I have you. And it turns out that the Beeches are guarding the USA, France, .... !!!

====
And what have the USA and France to do with it? Do they have Buki? Where is Rym, and where is Crimea ???
In the Russian Federation, "Buks" guard the MILITARY objects - zones of deployment and concentration of troops, troops on the march, airfields, etc. etc. So, if you want, what I have to "pull" out of context, so be so kind - pull it out properly, and not just like that, "anyhow" - it turns out silly!

[Genry]

It turns out silly when readers see from the sidelines how a couple of couch experts give out "military secrets".

[ride78]

Especially 2pu will complement, well, well, with our size countries will complement.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, air defense systems need a lot of different ... To destroy high-speed and high-speed targets and to destroy a swarm of cheap drones, not to go broke, not to find yourself and not to be left without ammunition ...

[Observer2014]

Here I look at the new "Buk" and I understand that they will still come to the vertical start. And if you look at the performance characteristics, our complexes go far ahead. So you look "Shell" will soon catch up with the American "Patriot". Already infa it goes that the rocket will hit 40 km. If it already hits. God knows that ours were hidden in the covers. And in general, what has always distinguished the Russians from the West? Correctly modesty! For example, they’ll write that a rocket flies 300 km. And it’s 2500 km. We are modest

[svp67]

Quote: Observer2014

Humble we

Well, now there is such a time that we need to stop being modest, and it’s time to test these new complexes in Syria ... you see, many people will remember that Syria is a sovereign state and that you can enter its airspace only with permission, and who does not understand, then very "intelligibly" to explain ...

[Wedmak]

I understand that they’ll come to a vertical start anyway.

So it will not be Buk. And some "Oak". There are a lot of differences. Or they will finally finalize the Vityaz.

[Observer2014]

Wedmak

So it will not be Buk. And some "Oak". There are a lot of differences. Or will they finally finalize The Knight.

Correctly! And I'm talking about that.

[Wiskar]

Quote: Observer2014

So you look "Shell" soon American "Patriot" catch up. Already infa goes that the rocket will hit 40 km

Or catch up with the Israeli SPYDER MR with a Derby missile (range of target destruction of 50 km), and which Vietnam chose last year instead of "Pantsir"

[Observer2014]

Do you have any idea what "Shell" is? I see no. How can a caravan of SPYDER MR vehicles with a Derby rocket be compared with a complex located on one vehicle ?! One (KAMAZ essentially shatters everything that flies within a radius of 40 km) And it will be within a radius of 80 km. That is not an example. All SPYDER MR with a Derby missile 70s air defense. Would you compare it with the Shilka.

[Wiskar]

Quote: Observer2014

Do you have any idea what "Shell" is? I see no. How can a caravan of SPYDER MR vehicles with a Derby rocket be compared with a complex located on one vehicle ?!

The military leadership of Vietnam opted for the SPYDER air defense system developed in Israel, military-informant.com reports.

This became officially known from an interview in the newspaper of the People’s Army, Lieutenant General Le Zui Vinh, Commander of the Air Defense Forces of Vietnam.

It is worth noting that the SPYDER short-range anti-aircraft missile system vied with the Russian development Shell-C1 in a tender for equipping the air defense and air forces of Vietnam.

Apparently, Lieutenant General Le Zui Vinh, the commander of Vietnam’s Air Defense Forces, is also not aware of what and how ...


Yes, Spyder works differently -

A typical SPYDER-MR medium-range complex battery includes:
• command post
• four launchers
transport and loading machines.

For increase survivability PU missile system can be located at a distance from command point battery. The exchange of information can be organized via cable, fiber optic or wireless communication lines. When autonomous operation of the PU can be used optical detection system TOPLITE.

Quote: Observer2014

All SPYDER MR with Derby rocket 70s air defense

The command post (CP) is equipped with a three-coordinate radar detection station Elta EL / M-2106NG ATAR 3D. Radar allows you to detect and track up to 60 targets.

KP provides the ability to conduct hostilities in a single information space of a layered air defense system and can receive target designation from external sources.

The Derby missile with an active radar homing head is designed to intercept and destroy highly maneuverable manned and unmanned enemy vehicles day and night, from any direction, to the front and rear hemispheres, against the background of the underlying surface and with active electronic countermeasures.
According to advertising materials, the rocket reaches speeds of up to 4M and can attack targets from any angle with large bearings and at considerable ranges with its own overloads of up to 50g.

[Wiskar]

Report on the shortcomings of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/197121.html
bmpd
April 6th, 2012

A synopsis of the text of a completely open report "Evaluation of the characteristics of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system" at one of the open scientific and technical conferences of the Ministry of Defense of Russia and the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences was handed over to our blog. The authors of the report are V.V. Belotserkovsky, candidate of military Sciences, Associate Professor (Air Defense Forces) and I.A. Razin (Air Forces Air Defense Forces).

The report states:


Work on the creation of the Pantsir-S1 complex is being carried out under the Program for the Development of a Unified Anti-Aircraft Missile Weapon (Weapon) System within the framework of the ZPRK, Pantsir-S1, Pantsir-SM, Redut and Gladiator development projects. On the basis of the technical solutions of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system, it is planned to create interspecific short-range and short-range complexes, including for air defense of the ground.
The main advantages of the Patsir-C1 air defense system are the automatic functioning mode, including as part of the unit, as well as the ability to fire at targets from a place and in motion with both cannon and missile weapons.
However, to date, the developer has not eliminated the following main problems and disadvantages:

1) real results of firing tests showed a low possibility of a complex for firing targets that maneuver and fly with a heading parameter of more than 2-3 km
2) the possibility of firing at targets flying at speeds greater than 400 m / s has not been confirmed, although a speed equal to 1000 m / s is given in the technical characteristics of the complex
3) the maximum firing range of 20 km is provided for aerial targets flying at a speed of no more than 80 m / s (on the E-95 target), since the available overloads of SAMs at this range do not exceed 5 units.
4) the main disadvantage of a bicaliber missile ***** is the lack of an engine in the march stage of the SAM, as a result of which, within the declared damage range, the rocket will move with negative acceleration of the order of 50-30 m / s 2, which leads to the appearance of such non-linearities in the input signal missile control loop, which lead to an increase in errors of its guidance on actively maneuvering target
5) the capabilities of the complex to defeat the TBR, OTR and their warheads when using a hypersonic missile with a warhead weighing 4 kg have not been confirmed
6) the presence of only two methods of pointing missiles ***** (according to the three-point method; according to the half-straightening method) limits the capabilities of the complex to defeat various types of air-defense systems with difficult environmental conditions (maneuver, interference, NLC, a hovering helicopter, UAV, etc. d.).
7) The system for controlling the detonation of the warhead of a hypersonic SAM, functioning according to the signal from the SAM system in accordance with the established range difference between the target and the missile, can be effective only when the SAM is guided ****** by the full straightening method, and when the SAM is guided by the "three points ”and half straightening only works when the target moves directly to the firing combat vehicle ZPRK
8) in the aforementioned last case, the effectiveness of hitting a target may turn out to be low due to the phenomenon of ricocheting of the striking elements of the combat chat, since in this case their velocity vector will be directed at a small angle to the target’s surface
9), effective coordination of missile defense missile equipment (the area of ​​operation of the non-contact target sensor, NDC and the area of ​​the strike of striking elements of warheads), as well as the prevention of the operation of NDC SAM missiles from the underlying surface when firing at the NLC, is not ensured
10) the influence of weather conditions (rain, fog, hydrometeors) on the decrease in target detection range for the millimeter wave range developed by the RLSSSR in the 10-50 times is stronger than on the version of an air defense system with a centimeter wave radar, and this drawback cannot be compensated for by the presence of Patsir-S1 "optoelectronic kaal for supporting the CC, due to the negative dependence of the latter on weather conditions
11) the large overall dimensions of BM ZRPK on a wheelbase, especially in height (in combat position 5,65 m), as well as the lack of armor protection of the fire set, equipment compartment (SOTs, SSSR, SUO) do not allow the use of air defense systems at the leading edge in combat and pre-battle formation covered forces
12) the dimensions of the BM ZPRK in the stowed position on the wheelbase (4, 374 m) do not allow transporting it by rail, since the permissible loading height (1T) is 3,8 m, while dismantling the equipment compartment and loading it onto the platform for transportation with the help of a special crane it takes 3 hours for one BM, and also requires the presence of a special crane and equipment.
Unloading and installation of the equipment compartment during railway transportation require the same labor costs (3 hours) and the presence of a special crane.
13) BM dimensions increase labor costs for the engineering equipment of the launching position in comparison with other air defense systems (air defense systems) of military air defense
14) the time of transferring the complex from traveling to combat when using the "OES Mode" (with thermal imager) exceeds the stated 5 minutes (actually 8-9 minutes)
15) the loading time of the full ammunition with the help of TZM is quite large and is 25-30 minutes.

[Wiskar]

One (Kamaz essentially catches up everything that flies in a radius of 40 km)

Aha especially considering that

Shell-C1:
1) the actual results of the shooting tests showed the low ability of the complex to fire targets, maneuvering and flying with a heading parameter of more than 2-3 km
2) the possibility of firing at targets flying at speeds greater than 400 m / s has not been confirmed, although a speed equal to 1000 m / s is given in the technical characteristics of the complex
3) the maximum firing range of 20 km is provided for aerial targets flying at a speed of no more than 80 m / s (on the E-95 target), since the available overloads of SAMs at this range do not exceed 5 units.

[sivuch]

This footcloth is already several years old. Everyone has already managed to discuss and laugh.

[venik]

Quote: sivuch

This footcloth is already several years old. Everyone has already managed to discuss and laugh.

===
LAUGHTER the one who laughs AFTER lunch !!!!!

[Wiskar]

Laughing at this too?

http://army-news.ru/2012/09/pancir-i-tor-tyazhelo
-srazhatsya-na-dva-fronta /

At the same time, the radar target tracking system (single-channel) used in the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile defense system, as shown by calculations and modeling (and state tests, the results of which are “reliably” hidden), does not provide the required accuracy of aiming the missiles at maximum range even with effective reflective surface 2 sq. m and more. Under moderate weather conditions, the optoelectronic channel provides reliable detection and tracking of targets at ranges of no more than 12 – 15 km and is also single-channel.

In addition, the radar and optoelectronic channels of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system are not parallel, but mutually complementary, and by no means increase the channel of the complex for the target. As for the cannon canal, due to its insufficient effectiveness in firing at modern air targets, which is primarily associated with a low rate of fire, it can only be considered as an auxiliary means of self-defense and fighting mainly against a ground enemy.

Understanding the current situation, KBP proactively developed a “simplified” version of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system, eliminating the costly and ineffective target tracking station, as well as the cannon canal. The “simplified” version of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system, which received the name “Pansir-C2”, or “Pantsirenok”, equipped with an optoelectronic target tracking device from 12–15 km and placed on the tracked chassis of the BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle, essentially and turned into a modern short-range anti-aircraft missile system (DBMS).

Such a complex, along with other short-range systems, can occupy a corresponding niche in the armament system and constitute an additional “brick” in the modern armament system of military air defense. The full-scale air defense missile system "Shell-C1", as already indicated, is unacceptable for the Air Defense Forces of the Ground Forces, even in the version on a caterpillar chassis, in terms of capabilities and characteristics.

[ride78]

Yes, you will never prove anything to the patriots. They show window dressing) 2PU set for the species, and will be further in the division a year, and they will rejoice.

[sivuch]

Is this the work of General Luzan? Yes, he lobbied Thor and Buk

[vladimirw]

Well done, you have to protect your sky!

[win]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Observer2014

Humble we

... and it’s time to run these new complexes in Syria here ...

The public suspected the United States and Ukraine in preparing a bloody provocation as a pretext for a war with Russia.

The Ukrainian liner flight Kiev-Amman from some sudden incomprehensible rush of pilots flew from Lebanon to Syria to the north of Damascus, where there are still battles in the ISIS extraction of territories where there are already two aircraft crash sites on military maps and where the military lies directly on the way air base Saykal.
Then the Ukrainian board goes deeper into the territory occupied by ISIS, then finally flies to Jordan,
but does not fly to Amman, but continues to rub near the Syrian border.
Brave what pilots! Although you’ll immediately transfer them to the military fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force, they will go to rams every day.
It remains to remember, to recall the story of the Malaysian Boeing shot down over Ukraine. There were a lot of oddities there too. Starting with the strangest one - who and why sent a passenger plane into the battle zone - and ending with demonstrative trips of the Bukov launcher through the cities and towns of Donbass.
And the scheme becomes clear. Not now, but later, but we can expect that now, according to the tested scenario, another Ukrainian airliner will get lost over Syria. And his fate will again be watched by the watchful eye of journalists. But only to Jordan that board will not have time to fly. A merciless hand thrusts a rocket at him so that he falls, like that Boeing, into the territory controlled by the Syrian army. And whose hand will be, is already known ..
And then there were reports that one of the US military aircraft in Syria was repainted in the colors of Russian camouflage. Moreover, the aircraft model F / A-18 Hornet. A distinctive feature is a small difference from the Russian Su-34.
And then the Ukrainian civilian board over Syria will shoot allegedly Russian plane.

So, you can ask them: "Isn’t your plane rubbing near our border?
Who is waiting for "? ..

[Evil 55]

1,5 times more b / k with a defeat coefficient of 0,8 does not leave any Fu-35 with all sorts of Phi-117 friends from NAT and other semi-frostbitten "exceptional" ones without a chance of flying up ..

[ride78]

The main thing with these 2PUs is to guess where in our border the f-35s will cross it, quickly come there and bring them down, and so all the rules)

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

... yes, battery life .. one database position always ...

The maintenance of a permanent database at military complexes can be considered a strictly necessary measure, since their resource and habitability conditions are significantly inferior to VKS systems. In addition, it is not clear how the coordination of the air defense air defense missile defense systems with the aerospace defense systems is carried out.

[OlegYola]

Professional team of like drivers - any news and immediately Panacea (turn on the head : look at the number of complexes, missiles, radius of destruction, estimate the number of potential targets, finally look at the map of Russia, put the radius of action of the complexes on the map , to estimate release in a year and hormones stop making secreted piss from delight

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Inok10

.. You were asked a direct question, three times ... why you "move out" with the answer is clear ... nothing to say ...

Oh, Inok10 reappeared Or excluded all his opponents to whom he was not able to clearly answer from the "black list"? And it will not make it difficult for you to articulate clearly Seyozha, what do you really want? If about why and from whom you need air defense in Siberia and the Far East, then this is the level of a kindergarten.

Quote: Inok10

Your position is all gone, no air defense has been known to everyone for a long time ... this is your personal opinion ...

Seryozha never this did not assert, if his point of view based on knowledge of realities does not coincide with yours, then this is your problem.

Quote: Inok10

... if these are facts from wikimapia, wikipedia and google erch ... then this analysis of the country's air defense of the kindergarten level and to draw any conclusions based on them ... to put it mildly, it's debatable, and you almost allowed yourself to make a diagnosis ...

Have you already been offered to write your own publication about the Russian air defense system, or is it weak and only capable of watering others with mud? As for the diagnosis, then you have a reputation of a stubborn "uryalka" on your site for a long time. As the "ancient" (vaf) wrote about you, "an expert in combat characteristics." Yes, what to take from you, did you even serve in the armed forces? For some reason you ignored the question about this.

[Bongo]

Quote: Inok10

... You were asked a direct question, three times ... why you "move out" from the answer is clear ... nothing to say ...

You were also asked many questions, but no concrete answers were received.
As for the means of air attack, this is an elementary thing that is even a pity to waste time on. But if you are not knowledgeable, I will enlighten. The vast territory beyond the Urals, practically defenseless from the invasion of American strategic bombers and the Kyrgyz Republic from the North, from the South-East is threatened by the actively modernized air forces of our "strategic partner. During the Soviet era, this threat was adequately assessed. And now, not that there is no anti-aircraft cover for most objects, but besides, a continuous radar field has been lost.

[Inok10]

Quote: Bongo

In addition, it is not clear how the coordination of the air defense air defense missile defense systems with the aerospace defense systems is carried out.

... and after that you talk about the air defense system? ...

Quote: zyablik.olga

Have you already been offered to write your own publication about the Russian air defense system, or is it weak and only capable of pouring mud on others? As for the diagnosis, you have a reputation for being a stubborn "uryalka" on your site for a long time. As the "ancient" (vaf) wrote about you, "an expert in combat characteristics." Yes, what to take from you, did you even serve in the armed forces? For some reason you ignored the question about this.

... well, that's the lawyer ... not hamim ...

Quote: Bongo

The vast territory beyond the Urals is practically defenseless against the invasion from the North by American strategic bombers and the Kyrgyz Republic

... KR from the North? ... Sergey Batkovich ... open the map ... and measure the distances, I think they will be a great discovery ... and tell me the type of CR right away ... very curious ...

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Inok10

... and then you talk about the air defense system? ..

If you know, please tell us, or will you again refer to the state secret?

Quote: Inok10

... well, that's the lawyer ... not hamim ...

I met Seryozha when he was still wearing epaulettes, and they haven't even started to be rude to you. Epithets like "dirt" poured from your side. Seryozha could have drawn the attention of the moderators to this, but he is not the kind of person to trade.
By the way, here I served under a contract at a communications center in the position of "telegraph operator", where I met with Sergei. Where did you serve and in what position?

Quote: Inok10

KR from the North? ... Sergey Batkovich ... open the map ... and measure the distances, they will be a great discovery ... and tell the type of CD right away ... very curious.

On the exercises of the reflection of the strike of the KR launched from the bombers from the north direction - standard introductory. Even I know it.