"Friends of Ukraine" proposes to supplement the "Norman format" by the United States

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RIA Newsreferring to the material of the newspaper Poliico, reports that a group of so-called "friends of Ukraine" is taking the initiative to expand the "Norman format." Recall that today the "Norman format" is referred to as the "Quartet", consisting of Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France. According to the "Friends of Ukraine", such a format is too narrow, and it could be expanded, for example, with the help of ... The United States.

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Efforts in the framework of the "Norman format" led to the Minsk agreements, followed by a significant increase in the level of dialogue between the conflicting parties. Nevertheless, in terms of further positive steps to resolve the conflict, negotiations should be qualitatively improved by attracting all significant players, including the United States.




But aren't the USA de facto participating in this very “Norman format”? After all, given the fact that the current Ukrainian authorities cannot take a step without consulting either the American ambassador or the US vice president, it can be stated that the States participate in the "Norman format" instead of Ukraine ...

Now that, and who is included in the group of Ukrainian "friends". It turns out that for the most part these are familiar faces. Such, for example, as the ex-NATO Secretary General Rasmussen, ex-British Foreign Minister Rifkind. In addition, as part of this puppet US group of former and current politicians from Poland, Slovakia, Estonia and others.

"Friends of Ukraine" proposes to supplement the "Norman format" by the United States


In the appeal of these "friends" there is also an appeal to Washington to render Ukraine "increased military assistance."

Against this background, discussions are underway on the question of when the meeting in the “Norman format” will take place. The head of the Kremlin press service, Dmitry Peskov, said that while preparations are under way, but "the level of full readiness has not come." The meeting was scheduled for October 19, but after a series of statements by Hollande about "should we meet with Putin," the Russian leader canceled his visit to Paris.
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    1. +24
      12 October 2016 16: 03
      For this they are tearing down Minsk in order to sign a new Minsk, but also with the United States.
      1. +12
        12 October 2016 16: 05
        New Minsk - only in Lviv ...
        1. +9
          12 October 2016 16: 12
          Something they remind friends of Syria.
        2. +16
          12 October 2016 16: 16
          Quote: Black
          New Minsk - only in Lviv ...

          Surrender, only surrender in Lviv and give this Lviv to the same Poles, ask the raguli and selyuk pans to groom themselves. There will be more than Minsk, only more blood from them. And let the mattresses go to hell, we know how they execute the agreements. negative
          1. +9
            12 October 2016 16: 43
            According to the “friends of Ukraine”, this format is too narrow, and it could be expanded, for example, with the help of ... USA.

            Are they really "friends of Ukraine"? Vague doubts gnaw at me ...
            1. +4
              12 October 2016 17: 22
              Quote: Monos
              According to the “friends of Ukraine”, this format is too narrow, and it could be expanded, for example, with the help of ... USA.

              Are they really "friends of Ukraine"? Vague doubts gnaw at me ...

              What Ukraine, such and friends
            2. +1
              12 October 2016 20: 10
              Quote: Monos
              Are they really "friends of Ukraine"? Vague doubts gnaw at me ...

              Quote: Monos
              Are they really "friends of Ukraine"? Vague doubts gnaw at me ...

              Quote: Monos
              Are they really "friends of Ukraine"? Vague doubts gnaw at me ...

              And they are from the category of friends whom they say - "With friends like that, you don't need enemies"
            3. 0
              12 October 2016 20: 32
              And they are definitely "friends of Ukraine" - more precisely, nekuda.Kakoy still eccentric (with the letter M) in druzhbany to maydanutym will trample!
      2. +10
        12 October 2016 16: 06
        The meeting was scheduled for October 19, but after a series of statements by Hollande about "is it necessary to meet with Putin," the Russian leader canceled his visit to Paris.


        There will be no Minsk 3, just Kiev.
        1. 0
          12 October 2016 20: 34
          It will be but not Kiev but Lemberg!
      3. +2
        12 October 2016 16: 10
        Quote: Sith Lord
        to sign the new Minsk, but also with the United States.

        Russia should not go for it, these are obvious concessions, and what Russia and LDNR will benefit from this, in this case, Kiev does not comply with the Minsk agreements, as it does not provide special relations with the Republics.
      4. +6
        12 October 2016 16: 46
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Lord of the Sith


        They are being pushed by the ever-growing insight of the Europeans and the increasingly obvious failure of the Ukraine project.
      5. +1
        12 October 2016 18: 06


        Lord of the Sith
        Quote:For this they are tearing down Minsk in order to sign a new Minsk, but also with the United States.
        There will be no new Minsk. Soon the states will get tired of messing with the legally incompetent and they will leave everything as it is.
        "Kidalovo" is practiced everywhere. As soon as Ukraine develops the resource of a bogeyman, it will be immediately forgotten.
        Since the resource is depleted and they are trying to reanimate the patient, pushing the states into the negotiation process.
        But this will not lead to anything good, except as a new war. The United States is not aware of other ways to resolve conflicts.
        1. 0
          12 October 2016 20: 17
          "Soon the states will get tired of messing with the incapacitated and they will leave everything as it is" and what if "Madame Cuckold" wins the elections? This climax politician (I apologize to women) thinks **, and this is about for a politician, especially of this level. More than dangerous
      6. +2
        12 October 2016 18: 33
        Isn't it easier then for the cut not to supplement the "Normandy format", but on the other hand, to reduce it to 2 countries? So that we immediately resolve the issue with the United States, and not through their sixes.
        1. 0
          12 October 2016 19: 56
          Perhaps there will be more benefit?
    2. +2
      12 October 2016 16: 06
      Quote: tiredwithall
      Cormorant does not cope, the godfather asks to come and intervene.

      And why are they needed there? Again they will cling to progress. Well, no, let them sit where they sat.
    3. +6
      12 October 2016 16: 13
      In principle, you can throw out of this format all the subpins ... s: Germany, France and Ukraine, including only their owner - the USA! And Russia can safely transfer its function of presence to the DPR and LPR, as these are our guys! A good format - without western and dill broadcasts ...
      1. 0
        12 October 2016 20: 31
        Quote: Finches
        In principle, you can throw out of this format all the subpins ... s: Germany, France and Ukraine, including only their owner - the USA! And Russia can safely transfer its function of presence to the DPR and LPR, as these are our guys! A good format - without western and dill broadcasts ...

        I think these guys also need to be included ... Thanks to Ukraine, the whole world is afraid of them! bully

        I think it’s not worth translating, it’s terrible there that they promise Kiev and their owners! soldier wassat
      2. +1
        12 October 2016 20: 32
        It has long been clear that the EU does not decide anything - it is necessary to talk to the puppeteer right away. But I'm afraid that the Kremlin has no confidence in the United States. Moreover, it came down to harsh statements (plutonium) - the Yankees still cannot understand how Moscow "dared" to do such a thing - they swallowed their tongue.
        Kiev "reaches" - there is no money for gas and the war, housing and communal services are growing, people are fleeing from the square, the economy is slipping and collapsing. Maybe there will be one more surge of hostilities, but no more. So time is playing on us. And even if there is a "new" Minsk, the papers will not be signed soon - until at least some trust appears between the US and the Russian Federation.
        The Kremlin can pull due to the fact that without Donbass there is nothing to "bazaar" for something - how can one decide without local residents !? And the Yankees want to sit with the "terrorists" at the negotiating table? And second, you can take out of the brackets of the negotiations ... Kiev - well, or demand it from the Yankees, referring to the Kiev saboteurs in Crimea. So you can pull this rubber for a long time - until Kiev is completely ruined - there has long been a negative balance in foreign trade (and where to get this currency tomorrow, if the IMF does not give it anymore). hi
    4. 0
      12 October 2016 23: 34
      "Friends of Ukraine" proposes to supplement the "Norman format" by the United States

      These were just missing there. In short, they want to break up the format.
  2. 0
    12 October 2016 15: 58
    So they kind of refused!
    1. 0
      12 October 2016 17: 02
      It’s hard to believe, where there is even a small chance of annoying Russia, they’re right there. And if they really refused, they felt the complete hopelessness of the "project" ..
      1. 0
        12 October 2016 18: 39
        The United States will not subscribe to this rotten process of "friends of Ukraine". They feel at ease only where everything needs to be thrown into dust. The peace process and the resolution of conflicts are not their strong point. Therefore, it is better to act on the sly without burdening yourself with any obligations.
  3. +1
    12 October 2016 15: 58
    According to the “friends of Ukraine”, this format is too narrow, and it could be expanded, for example, with the help of ... USA.


    And turn into another slaughter in Syria !!
    1. 0
      12 October 2016 22: 53

      That's where it is!
  4. +1
    12 October 2016 15: 58
    To completely reject, they climb here to increase pressure on Russia, but do we need this?
  5. +5
    12 October 2016 16: 00
    It turns out that the slaves also have friends? And let's add Eun to this group - it will be "fun" in the negotiations!
  6. Mwg
    +4
    12 October 2016 16: 00
    And why the X there America is needed? What do they know about European reality? Nekhai Martians will be called in four, there will be more sense. And the Europeans are sobbing much better than the Americans. Especially the new Europeans ....
  7. nnm
    +1
    12 October 2016 16: 08
    Well, how can you do without the universal lamp of democracy ... ?? !!!
  8. +9
    12 October 2016 16: 15
    Yes, let the states already replace Germany, France, and Ukraine itself ... Ukraine cannot get used to it when its problems are solved without it ...
    1. +4
      12 October 2016 16: 41
      From the very beginning I did not understand what these countries have to do with it?
      Russia had to negotiate directly with the United States on the DLNR in Minsk or elsewhere.

      And so now the whole world will discuss whether or not to include the United States in the Norman four? Here is a super dilemma! It is necessary to convene the UN Security Council! Fly with the Martians to consult! Or is it better to wait until the cancer on the mountain whistles?
      And the farther from the core of the question the better!
  9. +2
    12 October 2016 16: 16
    Why not Angola, for example? What is not an extension of the "Normandy format". Even interesting. what the states can offer, they will again "blunt" and weave "intricacies".
  10. +5
    12 October 2016 16: 24
    The format of Minsk 2 no longer suits them!

    Let's move on to the Novo-Nuremberg, atrocities of the Bandera junta.
  11. +1
    12 October 2016 16: 28
    In the appeal of these "friends" there is also an appeal to Washington to render Ukraine "increased military assistance."

    By the way, Russia advocated the lifting of the arms embargo against South Sudan.
    These are similar interdependent phenomena.
  12. +1
    12 October 2016 16: 42
    I don’t remember something that US participation in any agreements would bring at least some benefit. Usually this is only confusion and harm.
  13. +4
    12 October 2016 16: 45
    I suggest that in general let the US enter there instead of Russia and decide what they want there, discuss
    1. 0
      12 October 2016 17: 26
      Not this way. It is necessary to remove Europe and discuss Ukraine with the United States, one on one. It will be easier and faster.
  14. 0
    12 October 2016 16: 55
    In Rasmussen’s photo, the mug is as if they’re starting to beat him, hard, maybe they’re kicking him with his feet, but he don’t feel like it! wassat
  15. 0
    12 October 2016 17: 03
    Demons are raging. I wonder how it all ends ...
  16. +1
    12 October 2016 17: 10
    Well yes! Ukraine and two friends are already in the "format", it remains to add the United States. Maybe first level up on our side by adding a couple of your friends?
    1. 0
      12 October 2016 20: 04
      Where do you see friends to include in consultations?
  17. 0
    12 October 2016 17: 30
    Yes, the blind can see the ears of the United States in this conflict. Yes, these friends would be for one place and to the museum.
  18. +3
    12 October 2016 17: 35
    square,
    Quote: square
    Quote: Monos
    According to the “friends of Ukraine”, this format is too narrow, and it could be expanded, for example, with the help of ... USA.

    Are they really "friends of Ukraine"? Vague doubts gnaw at me ...

    What Ukraine, such and friends

    And it seems to me what friends, such and Ukraine. (Tell me who your friend is, and I will tell who you are).
  19. +1
    12 October 2016 17: 42
    So it can be right, it makes sense to talk with the sixes, we must conduct dialogue and negotiate with those who make decisions!
  20. 0
    12 October 2016 17: 54
    Why not? It is advisable, they already decide everything for Ukraine, and Ukraine should be excluded, there is no sense!
  21. 0
    12 October 2016 18: 08
    HERE AND IT WAS TO START! laughing
  22. 0
    12 October 2016 18: 15
    Surprisingly different as they did not immediately get in there request
    1. 0
      12 October 2016 23: 36
      their style is different - to do everything with the wrong hands. especially war and genocide. and then they, as always, are peacekeepers.
  23. +1
    12 October 2016 18: 33
    They would be supplemented by Kurds, Irish, Basque, Texans, etc. request
  24. +1
    12 October 2016 18: 53
    Rasmussen has such an expression as if he had poured hot iron in his pants.
  25. 0
    12 October 2016 19: 11
    The most interested party is Mongolia, because Ukraine also wanted grandmothers from them.
    1. 0
      12 October 2016 20: 22
      Quote: Karayakupovo
      The most interested party is Mongolia, because Ukraine also wanted grandmothers from them.

      They are always ready .... The Mongol-Tatar invasion of Ukraine can always be repeated .. If Kiev asks! wassat
  26. +1
    12 October 2016 19: 34
    “Isn't the United States de facto participating in this very“ Normandy format ”? After all, given that the current Ukrainian authorities cannot take a step without consulting either the American Ambassador or the Vice President of the United States, it is quite possible to state that the United States participate in the "Normandy format" instead of Ukraine ... "this is fully confirmed ...:
  27. 0
    12 October 2016 19: 47
    Well, the proverb is true in truth that: Worse than smart enemies, only clever friends ....
  28. 0
    12 October 2016 20: 00
    All the same, VV stooped: remember how they said that there were no "Norman formats" and so on, but now they again started talking about these "Norman formats" and so forth.
  29. 0
    12 October 2016 20: 16
    We'll figure it out in Syria, and then we'll deal with the "brothers" ... angry
  30. 0
    12 October 2016 20: 28
    If you don’t need to solve the problem, but to drive it into a corner just right. You can also take representatives of North Korea, then you can see the circus and the military parade in one bottle at the meetings!
  31. 0
    12 October 2016 21: 14
    Well done !!! She does not get tired of licking the owners even when the gentlemen themselves do not expect.
  32. 0
    12 October 2016 21: 36
    It is high time the true masters of the situation appear, otherwise France cannot be understood from which side. Germany is clearly identified in the forties there.
  33. 0
    12 October 2016 21: 54
    Why not? And let the United States come in, and the British, and ... All the Arabs ... Yes, let all of Africa come in with the UN. And so that there is enough space for everyone, we will even leave. In the format will be. Poor Ukrainians will howl ...
  34. 0
    12 October 2016 22: 40
    Such friends for ... and the museum ....
  35. 0
    13 October 2016 02: 00
    If only the states will take Ukrainians at 100% content and move to themselves. Then in general it will be possible to declare a new Puerto rican
  36. 0
    13 October 2016 03: 42
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Isn't it easier then for the cut not to supplement the "Normandy format", but on the other hand, to reduce it to 2 countries? So that we immediately resolve the issue with the United States, and not through their sixes.

    So of course it will be much easier and more efficient.
    1. 0
      13 October 2016 05: 51
      The United States is too far from there, therefore it is better to one. lol
  37. 0
    13 October 2016 06: 21
    In general, this "Minsk" format should be closed. Let the putschists in Kiev negotiate with the Donbass rebels. What other "third", "fourth" states do they need? Russia does not conduct hostilities on the territory of Ukraine. USA, except for American mercenaries, too. The French have nothing to do there at all, but the Germans just need to get out of the Ukraine, remove their landsknechts, advisers, and other villainous fascists (in Europe now a new collective English fascism rules the ball, not even a German). I repeat, the authorities of Kiev and the leaders of the Donetsk and Lugansk militias must sit at the negotiating table! Americans and Europeans have nothing to do there! They did not organize any "four-sided" or "five-sided" formats, when the British massacred the Irish in Ulster in Great Britain. There are practically no differences. And if clowns in England think differently, let them remember their recent history and the ravaged cities of Northern Ireland. Although the English is a fascist, now is not up to it. They are asking the Americans to deal with Ukraine, while they themselves are preparing a world coup like the Ukrainian one. The chief, it seems, was the "blond beast" B. Johnson.
  38. 0
    13 October 2016 06: 27
    rather winter-winter would cool the hot heads of the ukromaydanutyh and their friends from behind a puddle
  39. 0
    13 October 2016 06: 43
    Igor Korotchenko: On the issue of issuing passports of the Russian Federation to residents of the DPR and LPR
    http://quick-news.pro/igor-korotchenko-k-voprosu-
    o-vydache-pasportov-rf-zhitelyam-dnr-i-lnr /
  40. 0
    13 October 2016 08: 25
    Quote: Finches
    In principle, you can throw out of this format all the subpins ... s: Germany, France and Ukraine, including only their owner - the USA! And Russia can safely transfer its function of presence to the DPR and LPR, as these are our guys! A good format - without western and dill broadcasts ...

    In the Minsk format there should be only three parties: the DPR, LPR and Ukraine. All the rest are just observers. Until Ukraine begins a dialogue with the DPR, the LPR, there will be no sense! At least the United States, at least Tanzania.