Saratov Design Bureau prepared for testing "an integral part of a promising submarine missile"

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The Saratov Electropribor design bureau is developing an integral part of an underwater missile that "implements new principles for controlling the boundary layer." Preliminary testing of the product is scheduled for the end of the current year. Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the application of the enterprise for participation in the contest “Aviastroitel of the Year”.

Saratov Design Bureau prepared for testing "an integral part of a promising submarine missile"
Rocket-torpedo BA-111 "Squall."



In the first part of the application, the Design Bureau talks about a new control system “for a multi-channel missile system of special purpose within the framework of the Samolet-M development work”. We are talking about an anti-missile system for missile defense A-235. Interdepartmental tests of the complex (including the launch of the rocket) are also supposed to be carried out at the end of 2016.

The second part describes the other activities of the design bureau - the development and testing of prototypes of "promising underwater vehicles." With 2013, an enterprise within the framework of the state defense order is working on the creation of an integral part of an underwater missile according to the Predator design and development project.

"In 2015 g, the first two prototypes of the device were made, as well as docking and laboratory and bench tests and ground testing," the document says.

By the end of the year, it is planned to conduct testing of the product, including sea trials of an underwater missile.

Help newspaper: "The first Russian underwater missile" Shkval "was created in the USSR, adopted for use in 1977 g and was not officially removed from it, although it is not currently used. The rocket has a speed in 370 kilometers per hour (200 knots), achieved due to the movement of the projectile in the air bubble, which reduces water resistance. Initially, it was equipped with a 150 kiloton nuclear warhead, and the usual version was later created. ”
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  1. +15
    12 October 2016 14: 08
    Here's what - what a Flurry is a masterpiece! There are no similar developments so far! 40 years already! Great news, I hope the "novelty" will be controlled with a homing system ?!
    1. +12
      12 October 2016 14: 13
      and a controlled flurry will be just super weapons in the underwater world!
      1. +9
        12 October 2016 14: 35
        This is a missile defense for the A-235 missile defense system.

        So in this article, information about missile defense is much more significant and significant, without imploring the dignity of a torpedo, but it is a tactical weapon even if it has a special warhead, and a missile is a strategic thing.
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        a controlled flurry will just be super weapons in the underwater world

        In a submarine warfare, where the eyes, or rather the ears — echolocation, the roar of rocket engines doesn’t hurt guidance, or rather doesn’t give at all, plus it’s problematic to control a rocket under water like a hypersonic missile in the air, the environment is too dense. If indeed these issues are resolved then glory to our engineers. Although it is probably better to go along the path of combination, i.e. a torpedo launcher approaches the target and shoots an underwater rocket, and even cooler than the KR, the launcher drops such a rocket into the water, although we already have a similar experience. The Metel and Rastrub dropped conventional torpedoes ...
        1. +11
          12 October 2016 14: 47
          Quote: hrych
          Although it is probably better to go along the path of combination, i.e. a torpedo launcher approaches the target and shoots an underwater rocket, and even cooler the rocket launcher drops such a rocket into the water, although we already have a similar experience in the Kyrgyz Republic. Metel and Rastrub dropped conventional torpedoes

          So there are already "diving" rockets. Technologies, becoming cheaper and better, already allow the creation of drones.

          It is possible that in the future, several small automatic missile ships or boats, approaching an aircraft carrier warrant, will pose a mortal danger for him.

          Or a small submarine-kamikaze will accompany the enemy NATO (let’s call it by our proper names) vessels.
          Imagine - Mount Whitney pinned it into the Black Sea, and a torpedo mini-boat was attached to it and walks side by side.
          I think hanging out in our Crimean Sea will be a little pleasure. The team’s diapers and drunk viscous consumption will increase by an order of magnitude ... laughing
          1. +8
            12 October 2016 15: 24
            We need to modernize our old designs, a lot of interesting things can happen.
          2. +4
            12 October 2016 15: 42
            and a torpedo mini-boat was attached to him and walked side by side.


            That's when they come up with a source to keep up with at least a couple of hours "side by side" at 30 nodes. And then we have something straight fashion lately - and fly on finger-type batteries, and swim, and even carry explosives.
    2. +4
      12 October 2016 14: 22
      Quote: Hunter
      That's what - what a Flurry is a masterpiece!

      - Well, as a masterpiece ... As far as I know: a small range (for a memory of 10-12 km), low accuracy - strong deviations, huge noise making it easy to detect the start source.

      Partly leveled by a powerful nuclear warhead. In trotyl execution utility - ???
      1. +2
        12 October 2016 14: 45
        Just believe, Submariners - highly respect Flurry! Yes, there are flaws there, but This Weapon is Irresistible (it is not possible to intercept)! And if she went, there would be no one to pinpoint the start source! In nuclear warhead, of course! This weapon is ahead of its time, I really hope that the shortcomings in the new version will be eliminated! In this case, This is a revolution of underwater weapons, I really want to believe in it!
      2. +8
        12 October 2016 15: 07
        A flurry is a self-defense weapon for submarines, like a pistol. It should be used in a dueling situation when there is no time to determine the EDC of the target. They shoot at the bearing in the current place of the target, a small distance and high speed, do not give the enemy the opportunity to dodge.
        And the noise of the shot, no more than from ordinary topedi.
        When a flurry leaves the apparatus, the enemy is no longer up to catching the one who let him in, he will be very busy at this moment in saving his skin.

        By the way, the range range.
        Effective boat sirelb on a boat, from a distance of 25-30 cable usual torpedo, and on ships 40-45. With increasing distance, the probability of hitting a target with a torpedo decreases very badly.
    3. +1
      12 October 2016 14: 23
      Quote: Hunter
      A flurry is a masterpiece!

      It is so, but its trouble was that they could not manage it, it’s nice to know that work in this direction is still underway, the characteristics are clearly improved (otherwise, what is the point of changing one for the other).
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      and a controlled flurry will be just super weapons in the underwater world!

      Submariners will be pleased when these predators take their places in the torpedo tubes.
    4. 0
      12 October 2016 14: 28
      Only the range is small.
      1. +1
        13 October 2016 23: 29
        "... control of the boundary layer ..." - we are talking about the "environment" between the torpedo body and the water - on this principle "Shkval" is made. Apparently, this is its modern counterpart. hi
    5. +3
      12 October 2016 18: 18
      Quote: Hunter
      That's what - what a Flurry is a masterpiece! There are no similar developments so far! 40 years already!

      =====
      Who told you such nonsense? Spit in his face! The Germans are already 20 years old, if not more like a missile in service consists! The Swedes and mattresses, too, seemed to be developed, but there it seems they didn’t get to the series ...
      "Shkval" was the FIRST - yes !! And forever will remain the FIRST!
      1. +4
        12 October 2016 23: 46
        Quote: venik
        The Germans are already 20 years old, if not more like a missile in service consists!

        In the distance. Farted you can say.
        you can ask something about "they have been in service for 20 years"?
        Brand, model?
        Not like "superkavitierender Unterwasserlaufkörper Barrakuda?"
        1.Not
        Quote: venik
        years 20
        а First introduced in 2005. 2017-2005 =?
        2.Not "worth". Have you experienced several times (4!) And?

        vom 8. August 2007 im Internet Archive-since 2007 even removed from the archive
        http://www.diehl.com/de/diehl-defence.html


        Quote: venik
        The Swedes and mattresses, too, seemed to be developed, but there didn’t seem to get to the series ..

        One tank said "the same", "like"
        no fish.
        SAAB Bofors Torpedo 2000 Dual does not reach KTu
        Iran "Hoot"

        and China - yes (75 km \ h)
        Quote: venik
        "Shkval" was the FIRST - yes !! And forever will remain the FIRST!

        ?
        fool
        1. There is not a single principle for torpedo engines that we would not copy. The only thing we noted this "supercavitation" although the first experiments, again ... were done by the Nazis in WW2 (anti-submarine cavitating ammunition)

        2. In 1950, the RKT-45 reactive cavitating torpedo of 450 mm caliber for equipping torpedo boats. On the subject of RKT-45 in the NII-1 of the USSR Ministry of Agriculture under the leadership of N.P. Mazurov, an underwater projectile with a solid propellant rocket engine and a cavitator disk in the warhead was created.
    6. +5
      12 October 2016 18: 48
      Quote: Hunter
      I hope the "novelty" will be controlled with a homing system ?!
      Look at the bow of the BA-111. There are cavitation plates. Where will you put the GOS? And then. The product * flies * in a gas-vapor cavity - there is a separation of media - air / water. Question: and what range do you expect? With the 1 type of hydrology (in ceramics!) In my time it was 1,5km.
      Quote: Hunter
      No similar developments so far

      Iran said it had made something similar. The Germans could not ...
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      and a controlled barrage will be ...
      Telecontrol from the carrier is (in principle) possible. Provided that the TU cable must be super strong, elastic and 20 km long. The hose system on the "Case" seems to have worked out. Probably something similar was done for the new Squall. Although - very doubtful. For the main idea of ​​the weapon is lost: a pistol shot - firing at the NMC, without a torpedo triangle, without developing firing elements. And the second thing. Product noise will * block * the target's sighting channel. Therefore, it will be impossible to combine target and product marks ...
      Well, and the last: with the power of the UPS in the help, it’s clearly too much, an order of magnitude ...
      Best regards, hi
    7. 0
      12 October 2016 19: 19
      I just don’t understand why this ineptly composed fake picture? There are some tourists wandering around, the "torpedo" clearly migrated here from another picture. What the heck?
    8. 0
      13 October 2016 03: 24
      There are no similar developments so far! 40 years already!
      Diehl barracuda tongue
    9. +1
      13 October 2016 11: 48
      We will throw all the hats, there is an analog in Germany.
      1. +1
        13 October 2016 14: 27
        Quote: gaudin
        We will throw all the hats, there is an analog in Germany.

        Show me the analogue?

        And where is it "located"?


        Do not mislead people!
        Nothing but the DM2A4 Seehecht


        NO (from offensive)
        Even MY90 IMPACT GEIE EuroTorp

        no.
        There is no SLA.
  2. +1
    12 October 2016 14: 22
    This is great, especially in light of the fact that our fleet is not so numerous and it is precisely the submarines, in which case we will have to compare the score. But such a question for specialists: is it possible to attach some kind of acoustic unit to the torpedo that would create such noise during the movement of the torpedo that the eardrums would burst in enemy acoustics, and at the same time so that the noise would mask the exact launch coordinates? And if there are, then examples in the studio. Thank you in advance.
    1. +1
      12 October 2016 14: 46
      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      And if there are, then examples in the studio.

      We undermine a charge or a series (away from ourselves) and everything will be fine laughing
    2. +1
      12 October 2016 15: 06
      If you attach it to a dashboard, she herself will get overwhelmed by such noise and will not go anywhere. A flurry is already noisy, louder than any device. Eardrums do not burst for a long time, as in films about the war, in fact, everything has been analyzed by a computer for a long time.
      It seems that rumors, a few years ago, about the compound "Shkval" are beginning to come true, this pleases, especially, if there is an opportunity, to use it from a greater distance and depth.
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    3. +3
      12 October 2016 19: 27
      Quote: Comrade Glebov
      Is it possible to attach some kind of acoustic unit to the torpedo that would create such noise during the movement of the torpedo towards the enemy acoustics to break the eardrums, and at the same time make the noise mask the exact coordinates of the launch?

      1. You are living with WWII performances shown in the movie "Commander of the Happy Pike." How is it done today in the movie "Raise the Periscope!" When Orlando is looking for DPL. Everything is in digital and on recorders. There are practically no ears ... Earlier, CEP himself personally tapped and confirmed the contact.
      2. Noises can only unmask. Further, a "gift" flies to the area where the submarine is located: an SBP, or an anti-submarine torpedo along a diverging spiral * will find * the squall carrier ...
      Therefore, there is no better command: "Silence is set!". It used to be: "Listen in the compartments!"
  3. +1
    12 October 2016 14: 30
    Well done! !! And most importantly, very on time! And then the West clung to the pro, and we, too, are not bastards, we keep up with the times, or even overtake time a little!
    1. 0
      12 October 2016 14: 37
      I hope the range and controllability have worked seriously, which will allow our submariners to terrify aircraft carrier groups.
  4. 0
    12 October 2016 14: 57
    Wrong !!! And the amer needs to listen to Russian comic songs))) ... ".. We have such DEVICES !!!! But we will not tell you about them ..."
  5. 0
    12 October 2016 15: 10
    Against warships, he is too noticeable. Against the merchant fleet it can be out of competition, for this it is cheaper than conventional torpedoes, you can not bother a lot about anticipating, shoot like a pistol.
  6. +1
    12 October 2016 15: 21
    Quote: Hunter
    Here's what - what a Flurry is a masterpiece! There are no similar developments so far! 40 years already! Great news, I hope the "novelty" will be controlled with a homing system ?!

    A flurry of this is complete nonsense in the modern underwater world, you read the statements of submariners about this missile torpedo ...))), this is a dumb bullet that flies only straight, plus the distance you need to go to shoot, it is simply suicidal!
    1. +1
      12 October 2016 18: 10
      Quote: igorka357
      it's a dumb bullet that flies only straight, plus the distance you need to go to shoot, it's just suicidal!

      But in theory, you can put this bullet in a separate barrel, which will more imperceptibly swim up to the required distance, for example, the same unmanned submarines, you can shoot from a depth of km and even from 2-3 and hell who knows where it came from, and ordinary submarines can coordinate and give target designation.
      1. +1
        13 October 2016 19: 17
        Quote: Corsair
        which will more imperceptibly swim up to the required distance,

        How will the "single trunk" determine the coordinates of this "desired distance"?
        How is your position adjusted (direction to the target, MOVING), a Flurry is a direct-shot munition (correction is not possible)?
        Quote: Corsair
        it is possible from km depth and even from 2-3 and hell who will understand where it came from

        DO NOT.
        Due to backpressure of the medium, a cavitation cavity DOES NOT FORM.
        Maximum stroke depth (up to 30 m) does not allow to hit submarines at great depths.
        Quote: Corsair
        and ordinary submarines can coordinate and give target designation.

        How? how dolphins uz whistle?
    2. +2
      12 October 2016 22: 51
      If you are aware of any statements there, share. I haven’t heard anything from the commanders or from the miners.
      And what distance do you think should be? You think that lolka discovers another ha distance in half the ocean. The situation under water, compare the fact that you go into the dark entrance at night and you are suddenly grabbed by the throat. If you have a weapon, then you simply shoot at point blank range without aiming, do not miss. Something like this. There is no time for calculations and data entry into the torpedo.
  7. +1
    12 October 2016 16: 32
    What does Elektropribor have to do with everything above? This is a joint-stock company with an authorized capital at the price of a two-room Khrushchev in the center of Saratov or a one-room apartment in Kapotnya. Is he already doing torpedoes in his shed?
    Saw, Shura, saw ...
    1. +2
      12 October 2016 16: 54
      The scientific and technical level of the enterprise is determined by the Scientific and Technical Council (STC), which includes one doctor of economic sciences, two candidates of physical and mathematical sciences and eight candidates of technical sciences. Chairman of the Scientific and Technical Council - EP Reznik

      Like in the pedagogical institute of the district center. The main thing - SS headed hi There are torpedoes and fly in!
      "
  8. 0
    12 October 2016 17: 28
    And in general, the USSR oppressed the USA by the fact that torpedo production was transferred to the steppes of Kazakhstan and the mountains of Kyrgyzstan. You can lie there, but it really is. Let streamline.
  9. 0
    12 October 2016 18: 41
    It rattles like a Tu-95 for many miles around. It is impossible to dodge, but from RBU, for example, you can knock it out !!
    1. 0
      12 October 2016 21: 56
      TU-95 take off from me almost behind the fence - an ominous hum - when I open the window I wake up and immediately fall asleep again sweetly - my VKS on the line)))
      What is a lot of miles for TU-95MS? Really, you can hear him on take-off and when he sends you a gift ...
      And what are you counting in miles - suspiciously soldier we are in versts ...
  10. +2
    12 October 2016 19: 47
    "Shkval" deadly weight - speed 110 m / s, range 13000 m, travel time 2 minutes, magitometric seeker.

    It has no analogues (the dead German "Barracuda" smokes bamboo).
  11. +1
    12 October 2016 20: 26
    For a long time else I heard somewhere that the creators of "Shkval" offered to make him a successor with increased speed and range. Perhaps, what is mentioned in the article is it.
  12. 0
    12 October 2016 21: 45
    Quote: Operator
    "Shkval" deadly weight - speed 110 m / s, range 13000 m, travel time 2 minutes, magitometric seeker.

    It has no analogues (the dead German "Barracuda" smokes bamboo).

    She is good only with a nuclear head. Although, I do not mind if the case is applied regularly.
  13. 0
    13 October 2016 16: 36
    opus,
    Anyway, 800 km / h is from a series of "science fiction", a lot of different sources speak about 400 km / h - and they seem to me to be very far-fetched, everywhere they say, depending on the density of water.
    A control wire for 40-50 km - you probably give an example of some sort of ground-to-air missiles, only there the warhead implies fragmentation, with the exception of rare specimens, or ATGM
    A small warhead and size suggest the use of apparently as a countermeasure, while lit up on all ears in a radius of 200-300 km.
    1. +1
      13 October 2016 19: 33
      Quote: Corsair
      Anyway 800 km / h is from a series of "science fiction"

      I did not speak about 800
      Diehl BGT Defense and Altas Elektronik convinced Oberjettenberg with the WTD 52 (Bundeswehr Technical Center for Protective and Special Technologies) test results that an achievable speed of 800 km / h! But!
      But with a range of 1000 m at this maximum speedand or circulation in 3,6 seconds at a circumference of 120 m
      Quote: Corsair
      Control wire for 40-50 km - you probably give an example of some kind of ground-to-air missiles

      Earth is the air behind them?

      In 1892, the United States used Nemira's idea in the Sims-Edison remote-controlled torpedo. It was set in motion by electricity supplied from the firing ship through a cable 4100 m long. At the same time, the cable served to transmit commands to control the course of the torpedo and detonate the explosive charge when approaching the target. To hold it at a given depth, the torpedo was attached to a copper float filled with a porous substance.

      At the end of the war, the German torpedo "Lerche" began to correct the trajectory using a telecontrol system. For this, the torpedo was connected to the firing submarine with a multicore cable 6000 m long, which was wound from the torpedo coil through the hollow shaft of the engine. The torpedo had a maximum speed of 55 km / h (30 knots).


      Mark 37 - American 483 mm anti-submarine torpedo
      A wire-driven torpedo provides a high probability of hitting a target, is not subject to interference and is considered one of the most important improvements in underwater weapons in the post-war period.

      Mk 45 Astor. USA. 1963 year. Caliber 482 mm. Length 6 m. Range 20 km. Weight is about 1000 kg. Long-range high-speed traceless torpedo controlled by wire.

      The F17 was the first French naval naval-powered heavy torpedo.

      control scheme for the movement of a torpedo from a submarine by wire: 1 - view with a wire; 2 - wire; 3 - armored cable (F-21 already has optical fiber)

      The control circuit of the movement of a torpedo from a surface ship along the wire: 1 - torpedo view with a wire; 2 - wire; 3 - tube; 4 - ship view with wire

      Quote: Corsair
      A small warhead and size suggest the use of apparently as a countermeasure

      10 kg of explosives under water + kinetics = water hammer + puncture