Private Ukrainian company will present in Kiev armored "Otaman"

On the 11 October opening in Kiev military exhibition “Zbroya and Bezpeka”, private NPO Praktika will present a prototype of the Otaman 6x6 armored vehicle, the blog reports bmpd with a link on the page “Join Ukraine” in Facebook.

“The Otaman 6x6” is a wheeled armored personnel carrier with a completely new chassis of the NPO “Praktika”. The total combat weight of the vehicle is up to 16 tons, capacity in the version of the 10 armored personnel carrier man (including the crew), the landing of the landing force through the stern ramp. The machine was developed according to the requirements of the armed forces on a floating machine of the appropriate class, and in the base version should be equipped with two water cannons, ”the message says.

At the exhibition, the car will be presented in the version of the “fire support machine”. According to bloggers, the tarpaulin-enclosed tower is similar to the one that was mounted on the 2C1 “Carnation” self-propelled gun with a 122-mm howitzer.

It is also reported that the Kiev Praktika will present at the exhibition “more than ten samples of armored vehicles of its development, including the Kozak 2 armored car; amphibious armored car "Kozak 2M-D"; reconnaissance armored vehicle "Kozak 2M-P"; armored car "Kozak 3"; Light armored car "Kozak 4"; Lightweight armored car for special forces "Kozak 5"; armored ambulance; armored vehicle MAZ-6317; armored platforms "Otaman 6x6" and "Otaman 8x8" ”.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Well, it's small. Pass tests, become operational, establish serial production, GET IT FOR ALL THINGS.

[cniza]

But something tells you that it will take more than one year.

[Now we are free]

Ammmmm, tell me, is the layout made of Lipetsk chocolate?

[The black]

And grandmother Oksana from Kryzhoplya will present a potato peel for cyborgs. Moreover, unlike the armored car, the burner successfully passed field tests in the ATO zone. Its use allows one cyborg not only to destroy up to a regiment, they drill at a time .. but I also successfully fought with military chebraskrashki, armored war police and green little devils

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, it's small. Pass tests, become operational, establish serial production, GET IT FOR ALL THINGS.

It will be the same as with the "Shame" armored car - another "wunderwaffle"

[gray smeet]

Quote:
The machine was designed according to the requirements of the armed forces. on a floating car corresponding class

Something I did not understand about the floating car ...... Is that floating? In the photo - I do not believe it!

[avdkrd]

Quote: gray smeet

Something I did not understand about the floating car ...... Is that floating? In the photo - I do not believe it!

It can swim, but: the shape of modern armored personnel carriers and others is due to the modular design of the hull and armor panels. With a welded hull with homogeneous steel armor, right angles are contraindicated. For all the visual similarity with the same Patria AMV or ROSOMAK, the craft from Praktika is made at the level of the BTR 80 and is unlikely to be better protected, but rather much worse - they have forgotten how to make armor, and right angles do not contribute to ricochet.

[Reducer]

Water cannons are not visible ...

[aleks_29296]

It is not clear the functional purpose of this child prodigy - if it is a floating armored personnel carrier, then the fig is a gun from the sau? He is unlikely to shoot on the go, and from a stationary position, a question. Outriggers are absent, and the design itself is somewhat unstable.

[Samaritan]

Yes, and they will ride around the parades ... and Potroshenko is proud of the new technology on every corner ...
They will be given loans only for the purchase of NATO equipment, any other is at their own expense, but the current government doesn’t like that ...

[PAM]

why immediately find fault without knowing who they are, maybe it is done well in the technical sense, maybe there are good ideas, as the Samaritan said - h..r where will the money for production come from (and there is nowhere to put it on the conveyor), and if will find something so on sawing to the detriment of tests and debugging that it really turns out that "does not sink".

[vkl.47]

lid of the driver’s hatch on the toilet seat. coincidence？ I don’t think

[Cesareon]

first pass the tests .... otherwise you already make a plan)

[Alf]

GET IT FOR ALL THINGS.

And heroically, straining all the forces to "master" them.

[complete zero]

... get a penny on this ... and safely fuse the fighters of the DNI and LC))))))

[svp67]

Yes, a serious "pepelats" ... of course I would very much like to see the tower and especially the fire tests, but something tells me that we will not see this soon. If we see it at all. Since even in the photo you can already see that the main load went to the rear axle and the car has already sagged well, and this is only under the weight of the tower, and if you load shells there, and then shoot ... how will the armored hull "react" to this and suspension? Doubts, doubts, big doubts ...
And how did they solve the rocking problem, with such a high center of gravity?

[Landing Station6]

Quote: svp67

And how they solved the rocking problem

There are no outriggers, the problem is unsolvable!

[2s1122]

Well, as long as there are old cases from an armored personnel carrier, they will do all art forging from metal.

[dmi.pris1]

Well, now in Ukraine, like three factories are engaged in armored vehicles. In any case, it’s been working here and working for more than one year and the combat module is mastered for it ..

[VP]

Quote: svp67

And how did they solve the rocking problem, with such a high center of gravity?

You can always agree
If this miracle turns the barrel and shoots, judging by the rear projection in the last photo, it will very cheerfully lie on its side.
Well, the brand of armor there is probably interesting. Because they have something not so good with getting armor, and I doubt that the private trader can intelligently cut and weld armor plates so that they do not creep along the welding seams on the bumps.

[PAM]

cook it turns out that do not speak in Ukraine there are still hardworking specialists and equipment. And there is really a problem with armor steel after losing control of the east (and they import it into Russia - you can cut state orders more). This is the biggest lack of production of power plants, the Europeans are in no hurry to help with the onset of the conflict (they try to bring in used equipment (and it turns out)).

[Normal ok]

I doubt that the private trader can intelligently cut and weld armor plates so that they do not creep along the welds on the bumps.

NPO Praktika has been producing armored vehicles for a long time, both for banks and for the army. There are good specialists from state enterprises there, because the salaries of "Malyshev" and "Praktika" are not comparable.

[your1970]

It has been producing armored cars for a long time, both for banks and for the army.- a controversial issue. If on banking armored car you get something more than average army, the issue of flight of the crew is not even on the agenda. All the same, very different applications ....

[ImPerts]

Quote: svp67

Since even in the photo it is already visible that the main load went to the rear axle and the car has already sank well

Imagine how an armored personnel carrier will fail when trying to enter some bump.
Aki hot horse will rise on its hind legs)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Banishing liberoids]

svp67 -Sergey! Those who created this miracle will not go to fight in it, they don’t care, it will swing, or it will tip over at the first shot.

[Krasniy_lis]

Quote: svp67

and if you load shells there, and then shoot

Quote: svp67

The total combat weight of the vehicle is up to 16 tons, capacity in the version of an armored personnel carrier is 10 people (including crew)

I wonder where it all fits with him)))

[svp67]

Quote: Krasniy_lis

I wonder where it all fits with him)))

There, from where and climbs ...

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: svp67

And how did they solve the rocking problem, with such a high center of gravity?

Usually, he banged, and fly back, and there he will swing to the left-right, that nonsense, the back is the most important thing!

[hirurg]

In the course of such a barrel will be used as reactive thrust during a tactical retreat))))

[Strong point]

I didn’t make out - where was the water cannon (in the last photo). Probably - it’s on the tower instead of a gun. And so - quite a standard sample.

[dumpy15]

The variety of the Panzerwaffe range, weekly presented by the Bandera defense industry, is striking.

[VP]

They do not want to lag behind the barmalei in this prestigious issue

[Altona]

New clone of the Patria system, anti-mine "belly", tank turret. Tilka's question: "Shall we bathe on sho tse?"

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: Altona

: "Shall we bathe on scho tse?"

Also on your pennies. Even at the same time, the lads can pay, for garbage.

[dsm100]

In the photo where the hatch is open (3rd photo) that it somehow looks like a tin can.

[Samaritan]

And the toilet lid reminded me ...

[rotmistr60]

And they were kept secret (a turret with a cannon under a tarp), probably so that the specialists did not recognize Soviet production. At the same time, they create intrigue - a kind of marketing ploy in Ukrainian. Armored personnel carriers are riveted, armored vehicles are baked like pies. But it seems to me that the "dough" once again will not be of high quality.

[krops777]

private NGO "Practice" will present a prototype armored car "Otaman 6x6"

The most important words in the news, "prototype"

[electrooleg]

Quote: krops777

The most important words in the news, "prototype"

I would even say "sample".

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: elektroleg

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electroOleg Yesterday, 10:56 ↑
Quote: krops777
The most important words in the news, "prototype"


I would even say "sample

Namesake, I'll say super-! Yo.

[a.hamster55]

What kind of water cannon (two)? The ramp is lowered, the landing shoes flippers and forward ..

[Zaurbek]

This is the most serious product from Ukrainian crafts.
questions:
1. How will the serial production take place? Whose steel, engine, transmission, gun?
2. If the number of MBT in the DNI and LC exceeds that number in Ukraine, how will this product fight the MBT?

[Vadim237]

Something tells us that this machine will go into a series only for foreign customers - its own steel, engine and transmission of foreign manufacture.

[sgr291158]

Just some sort of Cossack army led by the chieftain.

[Gronsky]

Quote: svp67

how will the armored hull and suspension "react" to this?

And if you look closely at the chassis, you can see how the tie rods are located - low, not covered in front of the suspension arms. Thrust itself is thin with miniature hinges. It looks like they were taken from serial equipment (some sort of pickup truck). Openwork welded arms also deliver.
It would seem the 21st century on the street and design wheeled armored personnel carrier to spit once.
But no, we need experience, best practices, school. This is not to breed pigs on the sebum under the gorilochka.

[KBR109]

Over the hill - let them make their way. The question is the availability of money for this. So I see how this prodigy crawls with its 16 tons of greasy Ukrainian mud ... on 6 wheels. And the center of gravity, it seems, is a bit high.

[Stas Snezhin]

Aft the camcorder is sticking out,
as usual with lighting in the porches ..

[Retvizan 8]

Alas, we see regular declarations of the wishful thinking. In fact, this device will not even really be put into production, since it will be impossible to make it profitable. Who needs Ukrainian weapons in the world? All world markets are already divided. Who in Europe will acquire such equipment either in the states or in the CIS? In the best case, some Papuans can buy one or two cars. But this is not enough for production. Even if they release a couple of dozen for domestic consumption, this is nothing to talk about.

[Alexey-74]

to make prototypes and then declare it out loud about it - Ukrainians know how to ... ...... but what about the delivery to the conveyor and the mass supply of troops?

[VP]

Why Otaman and not Ataman?
Paruby with his diction defects or something called?

[Taygerus]

every month they often present something new, but it doesn’t come to sea trials, or a sample falls apart during sea trials

[autotechnik]

on LAV300 is very similar IMHO

[Torkvat torkvat]

Lokhly completely licked with lav 300, only stupid people stuck 122 howitzer))))

[tinibar]

Quote: Now we are free

Ammmmm, tell me, is the layout made of Lipetsk chocolate?

If it is from Lipetsk chocolate, then it’s funny. And if money from Lipetsk chocolate, then no.

[mark_V]

If, suddenly, it shoots, it will certainly tumble back

[Sly]

Quote: Stas Snezhin

Aft the camcorder is sticking out,
as usual with lighting in the porches ..

anti-vandal) to see where to go, suddenly there in front of the door someone meets)

[aszzz888]

A coffin on wheels for all ukrokaklia!

[Andryukha G]

Even the naked eye can see that with a strong explosion under the bottom, this "turtle" will turn over, and the open springs-shock absorbers of the wheels will fly out even with an insignificant detonation force.

[Dinko]

Mass grave for ukrofashistov!

[rus-5819]

private NGO "Practice" will present a prototype armored car "Otaman 6x6"

What can I say: _ "Dumka pratsyuє, but my hands and my head are dumb"! those. a bad head does not give rest to his hands.
We urgently need to open the pavilion in Kubinka "Masterpieces of Ukrainian armored vehicles." As soon as the "attack into the previously prepared cauldron" begins, the exposition will open.

[Voyager]

Unstable stool.

[Retvizan]

it’s already good, though so sparingly as the BMDP blog was posted.
NGO Practice - engaged in many projects. Well they released a series of Kozak (various modifications)
It is the number of MBT in the Regions (comparable to the European army and even more) that makes us think about this.

[grau]

Another copy victim

[Cananecat]

It seems to me alone that he sags back because of the combat module? And something tells me that the "shape-shifter" from this tin will be good ...))

[shark]

And the machine seemed pretty to me. Here are just a few questions. 1. When shooting such a serious barrel, this machine will not roll over? 2. Again about the caliber. The ammunition for such a serious gun and ten paratroopers ... I do not believe. 3. Strictly vertical sides and part of the face is what? 4. The chief mechanic driver, what does he see at all? Obviously not the way. Generally nice, but not at all realistic toy turned out. I want like NATO, not like a damn scoop. And it can not)))

[The leader of the Redskins]

The nose of the armored vehicle is very reminiscent of the "Triton" produced by the "Lenin Forge named after Petr Alekseevich Poroshenko." From here we can draw conclusions about the production capacity of the series. I think the gun will be delivered less than 122 mm. "Sotka" or a little less - to get into the "Minsk agreements". The exhibition will start soon, I will ask my friend to take a picture of it in more detail. This device intrigued me.
But I beg you to mock oneself - the parade in Kiev was taking place, everyone wrote amicably about the old rubbish from Soviet times, a new one appears - again not that. You are either smart or beautiful ...

[Alex 2016]

It seems to me or is the rear axle of this APC overloaded?

[complete zero]

Yes, it is quite possible that a normal BETer ... just from what problems will it solve?

[Polkovodetz]

An unremarkable machine "by NATO standards" TM. Some time ago there was a series of articles "Following in the footsteps of the Eurosatory 2016 exhibition: trends in the development of armored vehicles." What clearly distinguishes Europeans from dill is the longer wheelbase, those with four wheels per side. And the same high and the same claims for mine protection of the bottom and the same disproportionately large guns. So even in Europe, the level of technology will somehow be higher, those machines have solid electronic filling.