Dutch media publish "Commission conclusions" about the causes of the collapse of MH17

Dutch portal ONGOINGThe Ukrainian media “information” is primarily referred to, publishes material stating that the portal’s journalists based on insider information became aware of the conclusions of the investigation into the collapse of the Malaysian Boeing in Hrabovo.

A few hours before the official announcement of the “international” investigative team (no one knows its composition so far), the results of a more than two-year investigation by NOS issues its publication. The materials of this NOS'a state that the investigation “established” the following:

The Boeing-777 aircraft, which flew in July 2014 on the Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur route, was hit by a Russian Buk missile from the territory controlled by the pro-Russian rebels near Pervomayskoye.

The same material claims that the Buk complex was later returned to the territory of the Russian Federation.

NOS writes that the investigation team allegedly already gave such information to the relatives of the victims of the crash.

Earlier it was reported that the investigation team for a "confirmation of the facts" conducted a kind of "secret experiment" in Finland.
If the messages of the Dutch edition really repeat the conclusions of the “international commission”, then in this case it all resembles a protracted farce with elements of logical balancing act and mimicry.

At firstWhy was the experiment in Finland secret? Where can I find out about his progress and results? Why, actually, in Finland?

SecondlyWho will answer the questions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation asked literally the next day after the crash of an airliner? Where is the publication of data on the flight recorders, negotiation dispatchers? Where is the data on the location of the Ukrainian air defense systems in the MH17 attack area? Where are the explanations about why the plane was taken over the epicenter of the fighting?

Third, What kind of “secret experiment can there be at all, if the“ experts ”from the crash site did not even take half of all the wreckage of the airliner?

Fourthlywhy the international group for more than two years could not determine either the type of ammunition, or the place of its launch, but suddenly - could it? ..

FifthlyWhy did Ukrainian artillery for days covering shells and mines with shells and mines if international agreements were reached to work at the crash site?

And there are quite a few such questions for publication, which clearly resembles a fit to the necessary conclusions of the “facts” that have been tampered with more than two years of “facts”.

Comments

[iGran]

We are waiting for the off report.

[KAV]

We have been waiting for two years ... And we shouldn't wait for him. And so it is clear that they have two options: either to be silent, or finally to blame everything on us. They kept this "trump card" to the last - that is, Apparently this was the "plan B" of our partners - if we do not retreat in Syria - they will turn on the fan again and throw shit on it so that they will throw it at us.
But, as I think, this will not change the situation. And so it is clear that we are now alone, practically, confronting the whole west. Neither the UN nor anyone else will fit in for us. Someone will not say anything, and someone will joyfully and selflessly tune up to the tone of the owner. But, at the same time, everyone perfectly understands who is right and who is to blame.
This whole screech is only for one thing - to strangle us politically and economically, with subsequent aggression against us for the glory of the western shit democracy.
It's just too late already. Fuck you, not fallen Russia!

[katalonec2014]

The commission’s conclusions should not be recognized; relatives should be sent with their lawsuits to where Makar did not drive calves.
Yes, and do not forget to advise the commission wiped with this report.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: katalonec2014

The commission’s conclusions should not be recognized; relatives should be sent with their lawsuits to where Makar did not drive calves.
Yes, and do not forget to advise the commission wiped with this report.

Why are you in a hurry to send claims with relatives somewhere? Relatives with lawsuits - to Kiev.
From the very beginning.
There is no disputed fact that the Kiev regime began to use aircraft against citizens of Ukraine and Ukrainian cities, and at the same time did not close the airspace over the combat zone. This is a fact. The most important and paramount fact.
As for whose rocket shot down. There are two versions:
1) Militias with the help of Russia shot down by mistake (and only);
2) The Kiev regime was shot down by mistake, or in order to provoke.
Provocation in the first case is excluded.
What is the fault of Russia or the militias if the first version is valid?
I don’t remember something to judge the generals, officers and soldiers of Nazi Germany after the war? They hanged those who unleashed this war, and those who INTENTIONALLY committed crimes against civilians (and that is only a small part).
The cause must never be confused with the effect.
So, relatives with lawsuits - to Kiev!

[Temples]

they turn on the fan again and throw shit on it to scatter us.

Correction - the fan is directed to the west and they spread theirs at their residents.
So they live in the dermis in the ears.
But it is their democratic choice.

Normal people (all progressive humanity) understand what is happening.
Do not make excuses.
It is worth bending your line in Syria and on part of our territory torn banderlog 25 years ago.

[Asadullah]

Normal people (all progressive humanity) understand what is happening.

Come on, "there is no more progressive humanity for one province. Everyone else is eating Big Macs with beer and watching football. The news is perceived as they are served: - an elephant was shot in the pampas, ah, it's not good, a black man in a T-shirt was killed in Jamaica, ah not good, in the steppes of Ukraine they shot down a Boeing, ah not good. As a result, the Russians do not take care of elephants, and therefore kill blacks in bulk in Boeing. Everything, then football and beer. Therefore, the dominant point of view is not the one who is right, but the one who is stronger Based on this, the report will and is definitely not in Russia's favor, because Russia is not able to respond by force to such reports. If China were in our place, such reports would be as streamlined and absolutely neutral in relation to the Celestial Empire. the country is capable of erasing the impudent country of liars from the economic life of the planet with one instruction from the Central Committee.

Everyone here loves to savor the military power of Russia in Syria. but in reality, the real state of things follows from all the speakers of WADA, the IOC, such Dutch interpreters-interpreters. The degree of balance, truthfulness and argumentation directly shows the degree of your weakness. Strong does not make excuses, he shows a fist and everything becomes in his opinion.

[KAV]

The news is perceived as they are served: - an elephant was shot dead in the pampas, ah not good, in Jamaica a black man was killed in a t-shirt, ah not good, in the steppes of Ukraine they shot down a Boeing, ah not good. As a result, the Russians do not cherish elephants, and therefore wholesale blacks are killed in Boeing. Everything, then football and beer.

Here you are right! Take for example a new Hollywood movie - a financial monster. Throughout the story there, all viewers watched the action in the studio. As soon as the action ended, all viewers switched to other channels. The man was nearly killed on the air, and then they killed, but another. But the audience is no longer interested - the action is over.

Everyone here loves to savor the military power of Russia in Syria. but in reality, the real state of things follows from all the speakers of WADA, the IOC, such Dutch interpreters-interpreters. The degree of balance, truthfulness and argumentation directly shows the degree of your weakness. Strong does not make excuses, he shows a fist and everything becomes in his opinion.

I'm sure we can show a fist, and even two! But, as far as I understand the line of behavior of our top leaders - they have chosen and adhere to the most correct line of behavior, within the framework of existing laws and in the framework of agreements reached, even with those who have repeatedly deceived us. And the goal of this line of behavior is clear - to show everyone else that we can deal with, because we always fulfill our agreements, unlike some. I believe that this is the right line of behavior, although one of the most complex and long. We are not threatening and showing fists we want to get real partners and allies, namely to restore self-respect.

[Asadullah]

I'm sure we can show a fist, and even two! But, as far as I understand the line of behavior of our top leaders - they have chosen and adhere to the most correct line of behavior, within the framework of existing laws and in the framework of agreements reached, even with those who have repeatedly deceived us.

This is a very slippery topic. The line of our leaders is based on the real moral principles of Putin. This is an element of political culture. Remember Yeltsin, tennis courts, where everything was decided, from selfish interests to foreign policy issues. Playing tennis close to the body had a price and consequences. Despite the wind rose, Putin managed to eliminate this practice, and neither martial arts, nor Labradors, nor badminton helped. But nothing has changed, except that self-seeking went down the communicating vessels to "effective managers". And what the presidential administration used to decide, today is decided by the assistants of the deputies and the chairmen of various commissions. The celestials with the attitude of a foolish righteous man rushed into big politics, sometimes descending from heaven to scold the plebs living in a fatherly way. I respect Putin with all my awareness, and moreover, as far as my awareness allows, I see the undercurrents of foreign policy, which allows us to believe that Putin is too carried away by playing politics with clean hands, taking literally paraphrased commandments for such. History will make Vladimir more holy of saints anyway, but today we need to be closer to our land, where there is a place for shadow and light. And this light will come due to the shadow on the opponent's ground. Do not be afraid to throw shadows there, they will not stain you, but they will make you afraid of those who bring shadows to our land.

[Observer2014]

Asadullah Five points. Here I have been trying for years to prove this to the people. Stop making excuses. They constantly make excuses.
Uncomfortable questions should be uncomfortable
And if we are not China. That means we need to use what we have. Military force, then so be it. Where will the Netherlands be if in response it receives a hint of declaring war for a start? It sounds funny, silly. NATO will be ready to fit in. No, no one she won’t want to die because of Holland. But the Dutch who ran around like cockroaches in the kitchen, nervously sweeping medicines and food from the shelves with millions of traffic jams running from a possible blow for many years will even beat off thoughts of blaming Russia without evidence

[Asadullah]

That means you need to use what is.

Dear comrade! I understand and share your indignation, but flaunting military force is good to a certain point, beyond which this flaunting turns us into an outcast, by nature in North Korea. By designating yourself as an enemy, you designate everyone on the list as your enemy. Therefore, the godfather of politics is not St. Peter or Gerasim from "Mumu", but Niccolo Machiavelli. No one should ever understand where and from whom the blow came. And if the blow is directed at you, then it should be aimed at the armor rack. Or a servant in the worst case. Foreign policy is a war, not an ass cleanliness competition. And in war, you know ... unfortunately we take blows and pretend that we don't care. Alas, this is not the case.

[soviet skytourist]

[quote understand what is happening.] [/ quote]The truth is one, but the truth is different for everyone. Another accident which has become a regularity.

[bouncyhunter]

Yes, put on these "conclusions", sucked from the finger (I will not specify from which and from whom) !!! Do not recognize them under any sauce! All investigation and investigative experiments should be carried out "transparently"!
Py. Sy. Never loved the 3,14 Netherlands ...

[Ivan65]

What are the findings? They were not there yet. Insider information from an unknown person is not information. There will be conclusions, there will be our attitude

[Magua-xnumx]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Never loved the 3,14 Netherlands ...

they also smoke grass and engage in euthanasia due to boredom.

[go21zd45few]

In 2014, after the Boeing tragedy, Ukraine announced the absence of the Buk system, and in the same
Buki was present at the parade in 2016. Where are the dispatcher’s records, On that day, US satellites hung over the region, where are the pictures. And then it was somehow strange that they transported Buk through the border, and then they returned back in the same way, it was that they dragged the toy and nobody saw it. One thing is clear that Europe is hopelessly sick with psychosis.

[Hskval]

So they transported the disassembled installation - so no one saw it. (this is not humor).
But only one thing is not clear - how those from the country of tulips determined the nationality of a piece of iron.
In a sense - how is the defeat from the Soviet missile "Buk-U" in service in the Parashen Army different from the "Russian Buks" removed from service in the Russian Federation?!?

[chicken 9696]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

1) Militias with the help of Russia shot down by mistake (and only);

I remember that at that moment board number 1 flew. Therefore, there could be no mistake. Indeed, by mistake, you can bring down and board number 1!

[Magua-xnumx]

Exactly, the militias were aiming at side 1, because the Puten leaked

[ispaniard]

Greetings to all.
Guys, did anyone have any doubts that sooner or later this "Official" will be hanged on us? ..
If someone reading this news on VO was upset, then I'm rightfully funny. So there are still those who did not understand that we are at war and one of the blows by "Probable partners" was inflicted on us, the blow must be said to be rotten (because it managed to rot from the time of what happened), pulled by the ears like WAD's pi ... / Paralympians. In general, they did not even strike at us, but tried to pour a garbage can on us from the already dried g ... m. Moreover, Moscow officially conducted tests of the "BUK", proving that the "BUK" which shot down the Boeing in service with the Russian army is not in service with the army of the "Waltzman Schenevmerla". There was an investigation by Shariy, and his interview with the Ukrainian operator "Togo Buk" with number 425, which is in service with the army of the former Ukraine.
About the fact that Waltzman and Co. did not provide either: flight card; nor the conversations of the dispatcher from Dnepropetrovsk leading at that time "Unfortunate" Boeing; not the dispatcher himself; nor a list of their own "Buk" (which took place in the parade of Independence less than a month ago on the streets of Kiev). In the report I see PLEASANTLY SILENT ...
So, pulling your hair is NOT WORTHY, as well as tearfully asking to re-turn the Dutch commission to our factual evidence. More precisely, we have provided and will provide evidence, but for all accusations against Russia and Novorosov send "Accuser" -NAH ... Saying that this is pi ... well as the WADovsky before that.
How do the Saxons say it? -If "Gentleman" loses, he simply changes the rule of the game ... So let the USA with its "Harem" draw ..., ahem, play "Its game".

Our position has long been voiced and confirmed by FACTS.

The Dutch Commission can shove its "version" into the same place where Colin Powell's Test Tube ...

[stalkerwalker]

The conclusions are not surprising and expected. I would like "material evidence" and "proofs" of sensible, and not from the series "one WADA said ..."
But the main thing is how the report “arrived in time”. Now old woman Power has a reason to climb up on the UN rostrum and frighten the entire "civilized" world with fairy tales about a bombed convoy as a result of the "downed" MH-17.

[Sashka]

Plan B in action ... There is another option that Libya asks to help them with ISIS like in Syria with the filing of the United States. The front in Ukraine will open, you look there and the Korean peninsula is burning. So we will look, very little is left. The US has nowhere to retreat. Sink or swim. We can’t retreat in any way, otherwise we’ll slide into 90- and there they will definitely tear us apart ...
Good day!

[Scoun]

Quote: iGran

We are waiting for the off report.

They will vulgarize him as they say.
A video on the topic from the Germans about how they pay for a lie, including a lie about Boeing.

[Hunt]

Quote: iGran

We are waiting for the off report.

I'm just too shy to ask how much more to wait for him ??? Yes, understand already, well, it will not be in the near foreseeable future! They won’t be able to write absolute, in the end there are professionals from third countries. To write the truth is the end of Poroshenko personally and the Banderstat project in particular. Therefore, there will be endless picks, obscure experiments, etc.! They will be published only in the event of a new coup d'etat, when they decide to merge Petyunya. I am glad that our specialists are monitoring the situation, and they are responding to each of their pseudo-experiments, they recently provided objective data, threw a question, where are Amer’s satellites, where are the subsidiary data of Svidomys ?????

[iGran]

http://www.rbc.ru/textonlines/28/09/2016/57eba1a4
9a7947b7374f323e? From = main

[Corsair]

the investigation will be extended under various pretexts and at the right moments will be pulled into the light of day, because the main thing here is to light up louder and brighter supposedly Russia is to blame, and later there either the donkey will die or the paddies.

[tol100v]

Quote: Hunter

I am glad that our specialists are monitoring the situation, and they respond to each of their pseudo-experiments, here are the objective data

I'd like to see the faces in the West when ALL objective information on this incident will be presented to them, I emphasize, to the world community. And the fact that this information exists and will be made public at the right time, I have no doubts!

[Asadullah]

And the fact that this information exists, and will be made public at the right time, is beyond my doubt!

Take off the pink glasses.

[Zulu_S]

Where is this FSYA INFORMATION? For example, a photo from an American satellite "accidentally flying" over the launch site? Again, evidence at the level "we know for sure that the Russians are to blame, because it is definitely them!"

[atalef]

Quote: Tol100v

I'd like to see the faces in the West, when they are presented with ALL, I emphasize, "ALL" objective information on this incident will be presented to the world community

Strange, but if all this objective information exists, why it was not presented to the commission of inquiry - 2 years ago, or at least a year?
What is the point of keeping her under the floor if she proves your complete innocence?

Quote: Tol100v

And the fact that this information exists, and will be made public at the right time, is beyond my doubt!

Strange demeanor, don’t you?

[Vlad.by]

Why is it strange? GDP has long promised to lay out our lens AFTER receiving official charges. So wait, sir. First, we will read how they managed to draw a shadow over the wattle fence over 2 years, and then we will put forward our accusations on the actual material. With specific names of performers and, possibly, organizers.

[stas]

There will be no final report, perhaps there will be an assumption in which there will be no truth.

[gladcu2]

stas

What do you want to hear? The fact that Ukraine or even not so. The fact that the puppet government of Ukraine shot down a Boeing? Do not make me laugh.

The time will come and it will be true if at that moment nobody would need it. And if someone needs this truth, then its objectivity will always be in doubt.

Think about other things better. Not even about the economy of the Russian Federation, but now about ideology. Yes, it is about ideology. More specifically, strict ideological censorship in the media in the Russian Federation. Because because of the Fursenko-Lebanese sabotage, you have received a brainless selfish generation. Which will destroy the country in the future when it comes to control. Then the monarchy is indispensable. And without a concomitant religion.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: gladcu2

More specifically, strict ideological censorship in the media in the Russian Federation

Yes, you sho?
Again we will tell jokes about whether it is possible to go to Red Square ..... etc.
And it tells the citizen of the former colony of Britain, the current economical appendage of the SGA with all that it implies?

[gladcu2]

stalker walk

No, jokes are trifles. See what young people write in the comments on the entertainment portals on specially prepared articles to change their perception of events.

This is when they describe an event, supposedly real, and correct the public consciousness with a system of utterance and assessments of the utterance. And it’s easy for young people to insert stupid things into their heads. But how to get it out?

See that it is not late. Ukraine, for your edification.

And these nonsense about Boeing, this is something that no one pays attention to due to other more significant events.

From the Netherlands, one cannot demand the objectivity of an investigation. Judge must be protected from external pressure.

[gladcu2]

It’s good that the cons have been canceled.

So, like a stalker, you have to formulate your opinion. Of course, unicellulars cannot say anything smart. Go to the person.

Do not try to understand the motivation for my participation in the forum. It’s too early or too late for you to make such an attempt.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: gladcu2

Do not try to understand the motivation for my participation in the forum. It’s too early or too late for you to make such an attempt.

What is there to understand?
Your attempts give off a full "color spectrum" ...

[Lelek]

Quote: gladcu2

Do not try to understand the motivation for my participation in the forum.

Yeah, where can we get married. Lost and can't get out of the tunnel? The way out is on the right, in the distance.

[vyinemeynen]

I agree, we are waiting for the official report. Why throw stuffs and discuss?

[meriem1]

Quote: iGran

We are waiting for the off report.

Report by report! But why ours are silent THAT Buk M-1 alone does not work. This is not a stinger for you. At least 3 cars should be. Communication machine! A machine with a radar and not directly the launcher itself. They study for it (studied) for at least three years (as a result of which in 2008 Ukrainians were operators in Georgia !!!!). For people even a little able to move their brains, Everything is obvious!

[Scalpel]

There are modifications that work alone because.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: meriem1

Report by report! But why ours are silent THAT Buk M-1 alone does not work.

SOU without SOC works. Bad - but it works.
Because the "dome" is only a surveillance radar. And the capture, tracking and guidance of the missile defense system come from its own radar station.

Self-propelled firing system 9А310М1, in comparison with the installation 9А310, provides detection and capture of targets for auto tracking at long ranges (25-30%), as well as recognition of aircraft, ballistic missiles and helicopters with a probability of at least 0,6.

[Alexey RA]

A launcher without its own radar and a separate self-propelled reconnaissance and guidance unit were on the previous complex - on the Cuba. It turned out badly: the combination of detection and guidance radars in the SURN forced this machine to be on the air both at the time of detection and during the guidance of missiles, which extremely unmasked it. And the withdrawal of the SURN from the system deprived the complex of both detection and guidance: there is a launcher with missiles, but there is nowhere to shoot.

[weksha50]

Quote: meriem1

They study for it (studied) for at least three years (as a result of which in 2008 Ukrainians were operators in Georgia !!!!). For people even a little able to move their brains, Everything is obvious!

Hmm ... THEY - took into account this fact that the militias could not work with Buk ... For this reason, they drag and pull the "fact" of Buk's arrival and departure from / to the territory of Russia ... Without any facts ... Western man - he grabs and says: "These damned Russians!" ...
Alas...

[Cynic]

They work, only the goal should be in a strictly defined position relative to the PU.
This has been discussed more than once.

[Krasniy_lis]

An international investigation team said that the Buk anti-aircraft system, which destroyed the Malaysian Boeing in the Donbass in the summer of 2014, was first delivered to Ukraine from Russia, and after being fired at, it was taken back. It is noted that the data was obtained, in particular, from social networks.

Further the report can not be read. Filkina letter.

[denis02135]

Go to court as the great Putin said and deny. And then the Russian Ministry of Defense two years ago claimed that there was a Ukrainian SU25, and now only the Russian Orlan. Once deceived.

[AID.S]

Quote: denis02135

And then the Russian Ministry of Defense two years ago claimed that there was a Ukrainian SU25, and now only the Russian Orlan. Once deceived.

Can you quote statements accurately at these briefings?
Not just jerking ...

[denis02135]

Dear AID.S

Watch the video http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm
? id = 11970654 @ egNews
from 13: 50-16: 20 minutes.

Not just jerking ...

And if I'm wrong, then excuse me.

[yes don't care]

"posted a link to Google Maps."

[gladcu2]

iGran

I recalled a joke, according to your statement.

Sitting blonde at the bar. James Bond approaches her and introduces herself:
- James. James Bond.

Blonde:
_Fk. FC off.

But seriously.
If you are accused of something and the accusations cannot be explained, or the logic of life then they can be ignored. Moreover, in this case, responsibility is assumed by those who agree with the charges.

Therefore off.

[Rus2012]

Quote: iGran

We are waiting for the off report.

have already blamed Russia ...: (((((((((
Now tea, a club of Russian national anger, like a brush with spikes will fall on the whole 3,14 post with sixes, where will it be and who shot down and how, who gave orders, who wrote the script ...
at the same time and how the female-male dogs flew to the moon ... 9 / 11 - arranged ... and much more ...
The story began to jump and then accelerates!

[iGran]

Read carefully, there is no accusation, there is a statement of evidence. How truthful is the matter for specialists.

[weksha50]

Quote: iGran

iGran Today, 15:55 ↑
Read carefully, no charge,there is evidence.How truthful - this is to the experts.

Hmm ... What's interesting is that there is NO evidence !!!
One verbiage ...

[Arikkhab]

https://www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-crash/@96068/j
it-flight-mh17-shot /

[mitrich]

Who would doubt .... Now wait for the ecumenical howl of Russia and many billions of lawsuits from relatives.
And hz, how to get out of here, you can prove to hell that you are not a pakemon.

[Samen]

The depth of hypocrisy rolls over!

[13 warrior]

Finally, they pulled an owl on the globe.))

[tol100v]

Quote: Semen

The depth of hypocrisy rolls over!

This is not even hypocrisy, but the general line of conduct of the State Department! The "exclusive" have it in the price!

[B.T.V.]

And what does Russia have to do with "billions of claims from relatives" ?! In a court (even a European one), the phrase: "we have evidence, but we will not show it" will not work. Ukraine is to blame anyway, there was a catastrophe in its airspace. And this information looks more like a provocation.

[katalonec2014]

I am afraid that in court they will simply refer to the conclusions of the "independent commission" in which it is unknown who was.

[atalef]

Quote: B.T.W.

And what does Russia have to do with "billions of claims from relatives" ?! In a court (even a European one), the phrase: "we have evidence, but we will not show it" will not work. Ukraine is to blame anyway, there was a catastrophe in its airspace. And this information looks more like a provocation.

everything will be published as soon as there will be lawsuits in which there will be specific defendants, now please, in court prove that where and how it is true.
specific people will be named, part numbers, etc., you can rest assured.
the militia framed Russia to the fullest - only it will have to be blown away by anyone who gave the order for this adventure, but to the people of Russia.

[Krasniy_lis]

Quote: atalef

everything will be published

Quote: atalef

militia framed Russia to the fullest

Well, I certainly didn’t doubt you))) I am glad that I met my expectations))

[katalonec2014]

Quote: atalef

specific people will be named, part numbers, etc.

Part numbers for an hour were not collected on the social network, people who are also serving, post photos and videos on the background of armored vehicles .... this is not proof.
Do not worry, your fellow countrymen will throw likes for such koment.

[atalef]

Quote: katalonec2014

Part numbers for an hour were not collected on the social network, people who are also serving, post photos and videos on the background of armored vehicles .... this is not proof.

This proof is just like any photo and it does not matter where it is published.
The advantage of photos on social networks is that, as a rule, they are downloaded from a mobile phone and with geolocation enabled, which gives not only time but also space.
So why is this no longer evidence?

Quote: katalonec2014

Do not worry, your fellow countrymen will throw likes for such koment.

Yes, I’m on the drum.
My opinion on this was always unambiguous - the militias were shot down by mistake.
This fits perfectly into the logic of both the first messages and the subsequent behavior .....

[ghby]

Quote: atalef

The advantage of photos on social networks is that, as a rule, they are downloaded from a mobile phone and with geolocation enabled, which gives not only time but also space.
So why is this no longer evidence?

For two times in the file it all changes to the desired digits. Therefore, all this is crap.

[padded jacket]

Quote: atalef

the militia framed Russia to the fullest - only it will have to be blown away by anyone who gave the order for this adventure, but to the people of Russia.

Now Russia is being targeted for a purposeful hunt for it, streams of lies are pouring down its pressure with sanctions, and we can clearly see this both on trumped-up charges of the destruction of Boeing by militias and on our help to the legitimate government in Syria
And it is not at all surprising that Poroshenko (Valtsman) runs in the triangle Brussels - Washington - Tel Aviviv because it is from these countries that he receives instructions on how to lie to him further.
And in this information war, by the way, paid propagandists both from Israel and from the internal Russian "fifth column" play an important role.

[Corsair]

Quote: atalef

the militia framed Russia to the fullest - only it will have to be blown away by anyone who gave the order for this adventure, but to the people of Russia.

And you immediately figured out that Buk was Russian, you probably collected debris from the commission on the fields of the Lugansk region, or did you upload photos on social networks - how are Buki being brought back to the Rostov region?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Corsair

And you immediately figured out that Buk was Russian

Atalef didn’t calculate anything, it’s just that he wrote in the training manual given to him by the curators - "Boeing" was shot down by militias - Russia is to blame for everything

[atalef]

Quote: Corsair

And you immediately figured out that Buk was Russian,

he was a militia, with miners behind consoles and monitors

Quote: Corsair

probably as a part of the commission on the fields of the Lugansk region debris was collected or you posted it on social networks photos - how are Buki being taken back to the Rostov region?

The question is one - were there photos or not?
If there were.

[poquello]

Quote: atalef

everything will be published, mk followed by lawsuits in which there will be specific defendants

here’s how they’ll follow, then croak, and now, as the levota was solid, the evidence remains

[Cynic]

Quote: atalef

militia framed Russia to the fullest

I don’t recognize you, you’re talking nonsense, complete!
What is the militia?
Or in Tzahal in the order of things to occupy the time of the air defense system? Therefore, do you think so?
The gut is thinly directly blaming the Russian Federation, how are these professional amateurs from the incomprehensible how the commission worked?
Will they make fun of themselves?

[atalef]

Quote: Cynic

I don’t recognize you, you’re talking nonsense, complete!
What is the militia?

Well, I want to believe that behind the levers of tanks, artillery systems, Bukov, electronic warfare systems, etc. (then there are so many of them in the DPR), simple miners crawled out of the face yesterday

Quote: Cynic

The gut is thinly directly blaming the Russian Federation, how are these professional amateurs from the incomprehensible how the commission worked?

Politics, they leave room for maneuver (until it reaches the court), there will be no political correctness in the court.

[poquello]

Quote: atalef

there will be no political correctness in court.

))) looking at the latest events in the bourgeois court, I immediately recall Lieutenant Rzhevsky with a member here, and these people lamented Basmanny

[ghby]

Quote: poquello

Well, I want to believe that behind the levers of tanks, artillery systems, Bukov, electronic warfare systems, etc. (then there are so many of them in the DPR), simple miners crawled out of the face yesterday

Well, as much as possible from the age of 14 is the same. You just can not imagine the population structure of a large city. In my city, you can recruit representatives of almost all HUS, in sufficient quantities. I think Donetsk is not much different from him in this regard.

[Magua-xnumx]

He knocked down Kolomoisha: "Well, they shot down the wrong ship, you will think about it" - his words. Do not excuse him at the expense of Russia and the militias, atalefushka ... you will smear all Jews and Israelis.

[Oleg Lavrov]

Yeah, what can we say about the limit of cynicism, if the Netherlands trampled the death of their people in the dirt to please the United States! Euro wash in all its glory!

[Krasniy_lis]

Quote: mitrich

howling and many billions of lawsuits from relatives.

And the conclusions will be appealed. There are no recorders, no data from dispatchers' negotiations, nothing. Even a beech "from social networks".
A great expanse for lawyers and lawyers.

[vovanpain]

Quote: mitrich

And hz, how to get out of here, you can prove to hell that you are not a pakemon.

And why the hell to get out, with all the claims to Kiev, everyone knows and understands everything, but as always Russia is to blame.

[Oml]

The henchmen fulfill the order of the hosts.

[padded jacket]

The plane shot down the regime of Poroshenko (Waltzman) on the orders of his curators from the CIA and Mossad, and the Dutch, as they say, are forced people to say and write what they are told, that is, what Washington and Tel Aviv need.

[AleksPol]

Received an order from behind the puddles. They will say that it is beneficial to Washington.

[iouris]

If the findings are not published a month after the accident, the conclusion about the actual causes of the accident is a geopolitical question.

[ramzes1776]

And the proofs will probably be infa from social networks from our ukrov's "non-brothers" and from the CIA Bellingcat

[Bursa]

WADA Report - 2 ... stocking up on popcorn

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I think it’s simple ... Ours are squeezing the United States (ISIS, en Nusra and others) in Syria, near Aleppo ... And these devils no longer know how to get out, then Libya has asked for help from Russia in the fight against ISIS ... Here they are spinning like a snake in a frying pan - they launched an airstrike on the Syrian forces to help terrorists attack in the same area near Aleppo, it didn’t help, they decided to provoke a humanitarian convoy - they didn’t believe them, well, the last trump card was they quickly cooked up a report saying that Russia was to blame in the crash of a Boeing ...

[gray smeet]

Boost in Syria? You already grabbed it:

"When our active operations began and our aerospace forces were involved in the fight against terrorists, we then hoped that the operation would last for several months. Today we are celebrating an anniversary, and so far the end of our work is not in sight," said Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov.


In Syria, it is only just beginning ....

[tol100v]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I think everything is simple ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Here they are spinning like a snake in a pan

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

they made up a report quickly

And everything is sewn with "white thread" used by the State Department. And when he turns on his administrative capabilities in the media to discredit Russia, it becomes clear where the wave of lies and far-fetched reproaches comes from!

[Spartanez300]

What is the use of proving something to someone, still no one will listen to the truth, so let them choke on their lies.

[kingnothing]

You are both right and wrong at the same time. The truth must be systematically and measuredly screwed into the ears of our "partners", but at the same time not only scratching with the tongue, but also doing business ...

[DimerVladimer]

Is that material?
There are no commission publications yet, tantrums are already beginning.
Calm down.

[Magua-xnumx]

Quoted what?

[SKR-1135]

Who would doubt that. In / on the urn it seems like a new holiday

[sokolov]

that's for sure, just go to the censor, there is such a screech and such screams .. and so many experts climbed out ..

[SKR-1135]

Can I have a screen? I'd like to rejoice for our brothers

[sokolov]

http://censor.net.ua/news/408028/mejdunarodnye_sl
edovateli_obvinili_rossiyu_v_katastrofe_mh17_boin
g_byl_sbit_raketoyi_s_territorii_bliz

[sokolov]

you go to the censor - every hour there is news about a downed Boeing with hundreds of comments censor and gunboats

[SKR-1135]

he does not allow the censor, I thought you attach a screenshot)

[Evgen2x]

To prove that there is no sense in this fucking thing, they understand only lyuley, do not indulge in the most, only when they start to choke on their own shit they start to move the brain)

[EvgNik]

Quote: Evgen2x

only when they start to choke on their own shit they begin to move the brain

Namesake, they are more likely to drown. What we wish them.

[jeezar]

Most likely, stuffing. To weaken the perception of the real conclusions of the report.

[1398727]

However nihhya (nothing) new!

[Altona]

The report of the Dutch commission on the downed Malaysian Boeing and the report of the "independent" lawyer McLaren for WADA were written in one place. They will also write an "independent" report on the attack on the UN humanitarian convoy in Syria.

[katalonec2014]

You are right, like it.

[Vladimir Basov]

Something gets scary for me guys! ((

[Scalpel]

And what are they afraid of if we did not shoot down?

[Flinky]

Miradovermyachiki.

[EvgNik]

Quote: Flinky

Miradovermyachiki.

Approx.

[hly]

Well, it was necessary to prepare for this, history will put everything in its place. It’s a pity, but it’s they who go too far.

[Gormenghast]

It's time for intelligent bears to break the servers of sodomites and give out on the mountain the internal correspondence of drug addicts regarding "investigation"We will learn a lot of interesting things.

[Mwg]

The World Anti-Doping Agency has already frowned, now it’s the turn of the “international” investigation team

[victorsh]

And what is there to think about. Some EU governments want to lift the sanctions. And here the situation with the humanitarian convoy is repeated. The public is shocked by the "Russian murderers" and the sanctions are being extended.
I don’t understand our government. For an example. Stop supplying titanium to amers. Boeing will sit on your ass. They will sue us for not fulfilling the contract and we will not get profit. Take the example from the French (bad, but what to do).

[Andrey160479]

Recently, everything has a slightly fried smell. These brutes are getting more and more impudent. They look like a mongrel that barks viciously but does not dare to bite until the object loses its vigilance and spurs its inaction on the one at whom it is, so far only barking viciously. You can't escape the laws of nature. If you don't answer, then you can be bitten.

[alex_V15]

It is time for us to deal specifically with the Netherlands. For Scythian gold and this.
And the point.
Let them develop effective sanctions.
It's time to provide considerable support to Russian flower growers! And, given that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis are sitting on this, then to focus on this by making an appropriate film about the cooperation of the CIS countries in floriculture. And its usefulness for maintaining and even improving relations between ours and these two Transcaucasian countries!
Something like this...
In case of confirmation of information by decision.
The fascist must be punished by depriving him of the opportunity to fascist, that is, resources. Then they themselves will punish him there!

[Vadxnumx]

As long as our political and military leadership allows, they will lie ...
People of Donbass made a bargaining chip in a dirty geopolitical game.
They lie all on both sides of the front, only the proportion of lies is different.

[BOB044]

Why do they need proof. They identified who was to blame when the wreckage of the plane fell to the ground. For the sake of politics, the Dutch betrayed their citizens to those who died in this disaster. According to their concepts, politics is more valuable than the lives of their citizens.

[pas682010]

NOT, emotionally, already over the edge! I myself feel, but so! Respect !!!

[win]

And I got a warning for allegorical mate

[Cynic]

Teach materiel

[EvgNik]

Quote: Kergudo Straight

Yes bolt them two hundred and fifty for the collar

I agree with everything else, but not with this. The bolt should fit the thread, and this is in a different place.

[Moor]

I am ready to argue, but the essence of the report will be as follows: "Maybe rain, maybe snow, maybe hail, maybe not. Or maybe a witch on a broomstick, or maybe a devil on a broomstick." The essence is as follows: there is no evidence of guilt of Russia and the militias, otherwise they would have been presented immediately. Blame Ukraine: it's not time lads, for now "... you need such a cow yourself." This means that there will be something incomprehensible according to the principle: "We cannot prove, but we are sure that this is Putin." Remember the old anecdote: "Vakhtang, prove that the sum of the squares of the legs is equal to the square of the hypotenuse" - "I swear by my mother, it is equal !!!"

[501 Legion]

Such a nonsense I spoil in akhera, hang noodles on my ears. hamsters. although after the Olympics it is not surprising that they are trying to have Russia through all the holes, the most disgusting thing is that it gives all this. I would have long dealt a preemptive blow to the Mok or the Dutch mountain to experts))) not with calibers, but not with hidden agents, where are the scouts, where are the incriminating evidence, where are the tough answers generally ????

[Pathos]

lowering we are not like that. it’s just time to start trolling the United States with their methods, not waiting like true Aryans, but raising a howl right away. we are accustomed to the expression that every good piece of paper must be aged, and then we get it soooo. This is a fallacy while we get it, we have an indelible impression on us. It's like boxing you need to first beat, and then talk. And then what do the specialists do? Why do not act on the lead. Why not crack the same WADA at the London Olympics? CIA Pentagon and so on. etc. and others. Why are we still playing catch-up, playing some sort of chivalry? We know how and keep the word, and this is known throughout the world and we will keep it. But it's time to change the methods. For 25 years they rusted down and got what they did not expect, not a blow to the back, but missed a blow between the legs.

[Cynic]

Quote: 501Legion

preemptive strike on the mock

Here the information slipped that WADA, on the initiative of the IOC, was withdrawn from the game.

The reorganization of WADA will be discussed by the International Olympic Committee on October 8 during a meeting in Lausanne.
Read more: IOC is ready to begin reorganization of WADA http://tsargrad.tv/news/2016/09/28/mok-gotov-pris
tupit-k-reorganizacii-wada

[Magua-xnumx]

Will they replay the Olympics? With solo performances of Russian athletes it is easy, with team performances not so much. Although it is possible to invite everyone in turn to Russia or to the Russian athletes in Brazil, and there, one by one, to finish the game. All at the expense of WADA and the IOC as the guilty party.

[loginovich]

For two years, not a single striking element was found. 8 foreign objects were found in the bodies of the pilots; 5 of them were able to identify fragments of the interior of the aircraft. The remaining three pieces have not been identified so far. These are workers.

[Vladimir61]

It is necessary not to excuse ourselves, but to publish our independent investigation long ago with the conclusions - who initiated the provocation, how it was carried out technically, how it was provided informationally, how the objective control data was hidden and with whose hands it was done.
In the West, citizens do not delve into the technical details provided by the RF Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, they read bestsellers, and this is how our answer should have been presented. But it seems that they are used to fighting in Russian - in an honest fist fight, proving not to the world community their conclusions, but to a handful of those who started all this!
It is high time to learn how to fight provocateurs not in negotiations "behind closed doors" with partners, but in the information space.

[Sakhalin.]

Why comment on something now, just wait for the official version of the "report".

[Incvizitor]

And on the outskirts there is something not of Russian production, except for the broken-up humvee, or did they find a passport of the Russian Federation there from rocket fragments?
And our beauties themselves, gave them the black boxes themselves framed.

[BAI]

We thought that all the ends were safely hidden and now you can blame everything on Russia.

[ARES623]

The report, of course, will be presented soon, and perhaps its essence will coincide with the NOS information. Of course, you can send everyone "somewhere," but it seems more productive to me to conduct a legal examination of this report and assess the work of the commission as a whole - how it was going, how it started to work, the degree of reliability of material evidence, etc., etc. And then the conclusion of this examination must be presented on an open resource in the languages ​​of all interested parties. The people affected by this assassination must clearly understand the role of this commission and the true authors. And since this commission will express the will of its member states, for this lie these states should suffer maximum damage in all directions, especially the Dutch side.

[Pasha]

You must not be silent.
and hackers of what? coped with vada, but here?
help guys !!!!!

[Peter endo]

It is unclear where so many shameless liars are taken to all sorts of international organizations such as WADA, NOS, OSCE, the Hague court or Freedom House? Probably in Ukraine.

[EvgNik]

Quote: Piter Endo

It is unclear where so many shameless liars are taken.

Where, where in p ..... In the states, however.

[Vita vko]

Who would have doubted the "results of the investigation." Will the criminals blame themselves, and even before the election of their sponsors! Yes, they will crawl out of the skin, even if it takes them 2 years. And because Russia will bring a bunch of facts and arguments, nothing will change at all, an order is an order, especially of this scale. Putin's mistake is that after the tragedy he did not immediately intervene in the investigation. You must admit that a terrorist attack was actually committed against civilians. An iron reason to intervene, just like in Odessa on May 2, when people were burned alive. And it was necessary to immediately cordon off the area of ​​the fall, take the investigation into their own hands, admit international experts, and most importantly destroy or seize all Ukrainian air defense systems in this area. Then the recordings of the negotiations would have been found and the traces of the launch would have been easily discovered.

[Pasha]

Correctly said !!!
On our part, our own investigation should be carried out, with all the arguments and evidence understandable to the average person, given the complexity of the translation into several languages. Formally hold and throw in the media network, and they will pick up more and will fight with additional information.
With copies of requests for dispatchers by satellite images and so on ...

[pas682010]

Send a PAIR of "ESCANDERS" to HOLLAND, and then wait a couple of years for another expert opinion. If at all in a couple of years there will be such concepts as "Netherlands" and Europe, and not "European Caliphate" !!!

[free]

ahhahha it's like "and if the web and ask again", amused

[vasilev]

Mattresses curl, twist like snakes to bite Russia, but how much the rope does not curl will end anyway.

[although]

Quote: katalonec2014

The commission’s conclusions should not be recognized; relatives should be sent with their lawsuits to where Makar did not drive calves.
Yes, and do not forget to advise the commission wiped with this report.

Thank you, don’t, but the fact that they are blamed on us is a fact,

[salad]

False hypocritical t cook!

[Magua-xnumx]

harvesting in one word.

[Volzhanin]

Western geeks brazenly spit in the face of the Russian leadership (and the whole Russian people too), but we just wipe ourselves and snuff.
Therefore, they spit.
When will they decide to glue the goat’s face together? For all the vile slander of Western animals - to court. And let them pay and pay and pay!

[Andryukha G]

Because some people have millions of accounts in euros and dollars, so Russia does not answer, but quietly sniffs and wipes.

[Corsair]

Another stuffing for the EU, otherwise you see, they wanted to lift the sanctions.
NOT! Achtung! Russky dance, Russky shoot down an airplane mit democratic Volks from Holland and other developed countries. Osten is barbaric from time to time and quietly shoot the plane down and bring everything down to unshuldigen hoh-hoholin.

[surovts.valery]

Quote: atalef

everything will be published, mk followed by lawsuits in which there will be specific defendants

Name one? Specific! AND! I guess! Putin?

Quote: atalef

specific people will be named, part numbers, etc., you can rest assured.

"Specific people", as in the McLaren report, is the notorious plumber, he is also an FSB agent who replaced the doping test, which no one saw. And the numbers of parts, moreover, real ones, you can add a whole bunch.

[Pacifist]

This is the third throw in my memory about this and every time it was a fake that the commission itself denied. You just need to throw the dung on the fan, and they write.

[tolmachiev51]

We, like naive children, are all waiting for an objective investigation. Everybody knows for a long time and everybody knows that in the wake of Russophobia everybody will naturally "blame" us, and even add that it was Putin who gave the command to defeat, the mongrels bark at the order of the owner.

[Hskval]

There they could not find a "Russian submarine" near their shores, but here in balaclavas, they conducted experiments in Finland ... It's not funny ...

[EvgNik]

Survived. Salt, sugar, matches purchased. Norah hasn’t grown. Wait a bit.

[win]

An intelligence source told the award-winning former Associated Press journalist Robert Parry that the United States has satellite imagery showing that the Ukrainian military was responsible for the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17.
The Americans saw everything from above, but officially it will not be announced because it is them not profitable...

[pts-m]

The Netherlands needs to put itself in the place of Russia and ask, and who needed this downed Boeing in order to search for adventure on their fifth point for themselves, with the ensuing consequences.

[Magua-xnumx]

Boeing is generally Malaysian, its president said about Soros and his nationality is bad. For these words, sanctions were even introduced against her. In total, 3 or 4 of her aircraft were destroyed in recent years in such incidents.

[Elena Kucherova]

An international investigation team did not blame Russia for the crash of MH17
NEWS 15:02, 28 SEPTEMBER, published on "Dozhd" ...

[Hskval]

Their owls indicate that the airliner in the skies of Ukraine was shot down by a "Russian missile" - these are the ones in service with the Parashenko army, and not at all NATO.
In order to say that "cannibalism is not good" it is not necessary to assemble an "international commission" and think over one phrase for a year !!!
I read that the dill abandoned their installation, making it unusable - it's no wonder that they cannot report it to the UN - they say "all of us are there and have not fired anywhere" ...

[Kirill750]

And who expected a different result?

[AlexTires]

The main conclusions of the commission: MH-17 was shot down over the territory of Ukraine by a missile fired from the territory of Ukraine.” The rest is thoughts.

[Damask]

If all of Europe is against Russia, then what can we expect from the investigation other than constant accusations of an attack on this plane?

[iz odessy]

“involvement of the Russian Federation” in this case is needed only for future legal disputes regarding monetary compensation, but in reality, both here and there - Ukraine

[Retvizan]

Quote from odessy

but in reality there and there - Ukraine

“Why did the Malaysian Airlines plane fly over the conflict zone? Because everyone was flying there, and no one could think that there was a threat to civil aviation,” says the chairman of the Security Council. The flight flew at an altitude of 10 km, no one thought that there was a risk at such an altitude. The Chicago Civil Aviation Convention defines the state as responsible for determining the safety of the flight zone, he recalled. On the eve of the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities stated that there were weapons in the Donbass that were capable of hitting aircraft at such a height, but did not close the sky over the Donbass, investigations show. According to the commission's conclusion, Kiev had every reason for such a decision, which was still not made. All parties involved in the conflict in eastern Ukraine failed to consider the risks to passenger aircraft,” the report says.
http://news.bigmir.net/ukraine/942687-Doklad-Nide
rlandov-po-Boingy-MN17-detali
So Ukraine will also have to clear up its share of guilt.

[Hariton laptev]

On October 4, 2001, over the Black Sea, a Sibir company Tu-154M aircraft was shot down at an altitude of 11 thousand meters by a Ukrainian S-200 anti-aircraft missile (at that moment military exercises were taking place in Crimea). 78 people died - all passengers and crew a week after the plane was shot down. The then President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma commented on the incident to journalists: “Look what is happening around the world, in Europe? We are not the first and we are not the last, there is no need to make a tragedy out of this.

And ours should send everyone to hell, otherwise it turns out like with doping at the Olympics, someone somewhere said, someone somewhere made a secret report, and they decided to appoint Russia as the culprit, otherwise the tails of the champions of the Crusades very quickly began to be pinched.

[Retvizan]

Quote: Hariton Laptev

was shot down by a Ukrainian S-200 anti-aircraft missile

According to the conclusion of the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC), the plane was unintentionally shot down by a Ukrainian S-200 anti-aircraft missile launched during military exercises conducted jointly with the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the Crimean Peninsula. The head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, Alexander Kuzmuk, apologized for the incident. Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma admitted Ukraine's responsibility for the incident and dismissed the Minister of Defense. In 2003, Ukraine signed intergovernmental agreements with Russia and Israel on compensation to relatives of those killed in the plane crash. In accordance with these agreements, Ukraine paid $200 thousand for each victim - $7,8 million to Russia and $7,5 million to Israel.
True, here is the Ukrainian version -
But in order to settle the claims, she volunteered to pay money to the victims in the so-called ex-gratio regime (voluntary compensation without recognition of liability or precedent. - Author). Between Ukraine and Israel, as well as between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, corresponding agreements “On the Settlement of Claims” were signed, under which we paid financial assistance to the relatives of the victims. The text of the agreements especially emphasized that this compensation is voluntary humanitarian assistance from the Ukrainian side to the victims and indicates a complete and final settlement of all claims.
Several relatives of the victims refused to receive compensation (receiving voluntary compensation in this case means giving up further legal claims. - Author) and continued to sue Ukraine individually. By the way, they really insisted that the trial take place on Russian territory. To coordinate actions, a “Fund for Assistance to the Families of the Victims” was even created. The defendants were the Cabinet of Ministers, the Ministry of Defense and the State Treasury of Ukraine. The total amount of all declared claims amounted to 1,3 billion hryvnia. In January 2008, the Pechersky Court of Kyiv rejected all these claims. A similar fate befell the claims for damages filed by Siberia Airlines in the economic courts. The demands were not satisfied due to the lack of proof of Ukraine’s guilt in the plane crash. The plaintiffs did not appeal these decisions, since there were no grounds for holding Ukraine any responsible for the consequences of that tragedy. In the event of an appeal, we would demand an additional investigation into the causes of the plane crash with the participation of international experts.
http://fakty.ua/185329-aleksandr-kuzmuk-net-osnov
anij-vozlagat-na-ukrainu-otvetstvennost-za-katast
rofu-tu-154-nad-chernym-morem-v-2001-godu

[unsinkable]

I recently read somewhere that someone who is up to their ears in shit needs to crap on someone else as much as possible in order to look cleaner themselves (not literally). This is what they apply to everyone who doesn’t dance to their music. But with This will not work for Russia. Russia has risen from the knees on which well-known liberals put it.

[uskrabut]

It was necessary to conduct our own investigation in parallel with the international one, and not expect objective results from this commission. In principle, they cannot exist - that is not why this Boeing was shot down. It was necessary to work proactively. Now let’s wrap things up; after the official announcement of the culprit, no one in the West will listen to us.

[weksha50]

"The same material states that the Buk complex was later returned to the territory of the Russian Federation"...

Hmm... Sounds like a bad joke: “To spite my mother-in-law, I’ll take it and shoot myself”...
Even the ancients derived a certain postulate: “In every crime, look first of all for the one who benefited from committing it”... Profitable (!!!)...
Russia and the LDPR took it and, to spite themselves, they took it and shot themselves in the leg with an explosive bullet... And they found a problem for themselves...
And there are unfinished ones who believe in it...

[Arikkhab]

http://nos.nl/artikel/2134855-mh17-onderzoek-circ
a-100-betrokkenen-in-het-vizier.html

there is no such thing (about return) in the commission’s report - someone seized it, someone transported it, and it is not clear who gave the order

[tiaman.76]

what else can you expect from drug addicts?

[vasilev]

The evidence is strong

[AleksejSev]

Again, someone said something somewhere... Let them publish it, then we’ll see

[Pathos]

I have a request to the moderators. Please return the Soviet flag, at least for those born in the USSR. Many subscribers will be happy about this event. Best regards Paphos.

[Arikkhab]

report page in Dutch:

http://nos.nl/artikel/2134871-het-was-een-buk-uit
-rusland-dit-is-het-bewijs-van-het-jit.html

last paragraph (translated using Google Traslate, since I’m not good at Dutch):
"The research team is firm in its conclusions. According to the researchers, there is no doubt that MH17 was shot down by a Buk missile supplied from Russia."

and further :

"According to researchers, MH17 was shot down by a Buk missile type 9M38. According to researchers, the Buk missile and its launch system come from Russia. They rely on wiretaps, witness statements and videos and photos of the vehicle. Evidence from the investigation can be seen below, at 11- minute animation"

2 years of work...and proof in animation

[konovalovkott]

You can’t imagine how Svidomo Bandera is bombing with joy right now. Here is an excerpt from the answer to me in the Black Box public
"Sergiy Kostezh
The report was prepared over two years by an international commission involving several countries. It has already been recognized by the European Parliament. Russia is now officially a terrorist state. But it is also important that the report contains a lot of other stuff - it says that the DPR militants were supported by the Russian military machine, and about the presence of the Russian armed forces in eastern Ukraine. It's full of stuff. By the way, the report did not create a sensation in Holland itself. I just spoke with a Dutch friend, and he said just that - “everything is expected, it’s not surprising. Everyone here has known since that summer that the Russians killed people.” But now it's official. And then they talked here either about fighters and bombers, or about “stale corpses that were placed in the Boeing from the very beginning,” but there were no aliens. That's it, guys, dry your oars
It’s a shame and a shame, but we’ll get through it!

[Pathos]

Show the whole world the recording of the plane's black boxes in the end. The boxes were handed over as a gesture of goodwill, where is the info from the boxes WHERE??? Even if the boxes are damaged and it is impossible to remove the information from them, HACK the BOEING company, they record online and everything will fall into place.

[Cynic]

Quote: Paphos

where is the info from the boxes WHERE???

[Oleg Grunin]

The Kiev regime began to use aviation against civilians. As a result, rebels shot down planes almost every day. Kyiv knew about this and did not close the airspace above the combat zone. That's who the main culprit is. This should be the main line of defense.
It is clear that the plane was shot down by mistake and, most likely, by the rebels, but the main culprit was Kyiv, which was obliged, but did not close the airspace.

[Pasha]

We are waiting for the official report from WADA

[OLD FART]

Maybe he could really shoot down something (there are so many scouts hanging around our borders that we don’t have time to drive away))? I'm tired of all this squealing and barking...

[sergo1914]

Quote: Asadullah

Come on, “there’s not even one province’s worth of progressive humanity. Everyone else eats Big Macs and beer and watches football.

I eat Big Macs and beer and watch football. But I also watch hockey. You can classify me as a progressive humanity. Or is it too late?

[Fast_mutant]

Quote: stalkerwalker

And this is told by a citizen of the former colony of Britain

Not the ex, please! Canada's form of government is a constitutional monarchy, and guess who the monarch is three times! British Queen! If you don't believe me, Google it! Ha! "Independent" Canada... Myth! ))) The Queen of England on behalf of Canada even has the right to declare war! Glory to independent Canada! )))

[Rus62]

Russia was appointed guilty, with this the mongrels untie their hands. The dogs bark, the caravan moves on.

[Altona]

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Who do you think will support you in this case? Belarus, China, Venezuela....Who?

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We will be supported by the suddenly enlightened officials of the ICAO (or some other international aviation organizations), otherwise such “investigations” can destroy the entire system of investigations of aviation accidents and take away their bread. Well, something like the “suddenly seeing the light” of the IOC.

[Andryukha G]

Telephone conversations of unknown people and social networks as evidence are powerful. Keep it up, European justice! And these five clowns are teaching us about jurisprudence and trying to convict us of something?

[alexey garbuz]

And it's your fault that I want to eat...

[Romanenko]

Well, what exactly could you expect? In case anyone hasn’t noticed, the Third World War has been in full swing for a long time, and during a war, any means to keep the “allies” are good, there’s behind-the-scenes fuss, and “sent in Cossacks” among us, and hysterics among them.... Nothing unexpected. Who is the first to shout “Stop the thief!”???

[a001126]

this is to be expected

[Gur]

I understand everything how they shot down, etc., etc. But I don’t understand why we immediately showed their sous and pilot and name and negotiations ,,, and now we say that there was no one in the sky??

[Shuttle]

Firstly, why was the experiment in Finland secret? Where can I find out about its progress and results? Why, in fact, in Finland?

In the minds of the “developed Western world,” Finland is very similar to Russia. Lots of snow, vodka. Bears sometimes come across. And in general, they say that Finland was even part of Russia at one time.

Secondly, who will answer the questions of the Russian Defense Ministry asked literally the next day after the airliner crashed?

#Patamuchta! Why answer when you can just ignore? Such conditions have been created that the issues of our Defense Ministry can simply be ignored. Do we want answers? These conditions need to be changed.

Where is the publication of data from flight recorders and dispatcher conversations?

I just want to answer the question “where is the “epic” in Karaganda!”
But seriously, watch #Patamuchta!

Where is the data on the location of Ukrainian air defense systems in the area of ​​the MH17 attack?

In our Ministry of Defense, in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. The Americans certainly have. Maybe even the Poles have it. But they don’t believe our Defense Ministry, and they don’t ask their own people. Why? Look #Patamuchta!

Where are the explanations as to why the plane was flown over the epicenter of hostilities?

What for? Look #Patamuchta! Although it seems to me that no one intended to shoot down this board. They were going to shoot down another one. Which? Very similar. And in approximately the same place and flying at almost the same time. But due to unrooted laxity, they failed not the one that was needed, but the one that was caught. I got caught because the airline wanted to save something. Or the pilots avoided the clouds. Or something else. In short, this plane was actually shot down by accident. Those. It was not accidental that they were shot down. By chance it was this one.

Thirdly, what kind of “secret experiment” can we even talk about if the “experts” did not take even half of all the wreckage of the airliner from the crash site?

"...we have such(!) devices! But we won't tell you about them!"
For a solution that appeared even before the commission that came to it was created, there is no need for debris at all. It's good that at least something was taken away.

Fourthly, why did the international group for more than two years not be able to determine either the type of ammunition or the location of its launch, and then suddenly it was able to?..

Certainly. After all, the type of ammunition is not important. His Russian origin is important. For the purpose of the commission, any will do. If only it was Russian. True, the unknown members of the commission do not indicate that Ukraine has the same Russian ammunition. But who cares if Putin is to blame?

Fifthly, why did the Ukrainian artillery cover the crash site of the wreckage of the airliner with shells and mines for days, if agreements were reached on international experts to work at the crash site?

That's why I covered it.

Stop talking with questions like “God’s chosen” people. We need to change the conditions of #Patamuchta!

[Pasha]

at the diplomatic level, why the silence.?
notes of protest to all countries.
what the hell, what a mess.
the charges are serious. you need to give an answer.

[bratchanin3]

Declare the commission's findings incompetent and insignificant, not trustworthy, as fraudulent. Announce non-recognition of this commission.

[poquello]

ghby,

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ghby Today, 09:08 ↑ New
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Well, I want to believe that behind the levers of tanks, artillery systems, Bukov, electronic warfare systems, etc. (then there are so many of them in the DPR), simple miners crawled out of the face yesterday

that's not mine

[Hskval]

If the operation was secret, then why couldn’t Russia shoot down that plane from its territory (no one saw it anyway)?!?
But the fact is that if it had not been set up this way, the “West” would have lifted some of the sanctions from it and the “Ukrainian question” would have burst with the question - why does the IMF finance Parashenko’s system, which is not a member of NATO or the EU? !?
They did not receive internal rule, as they flew past from the shale gas of Donbass, already divided among themselves and the Americans stationing their fleet in Crimea.

[Seal]

It’s your fault that I want to eat..... But Russia is not a lamb. But we must frankly admit that we did a poor job with the evidence. Why couldn’t it have been possible back in 2014 to send groups of “specialists” to Ukraine who would have found members of the crew of this Ukrainian installation and pulled them out to our territory?
I admit that perhaps the crests cleared out all their people then. But at least someone had to survive. Local residents from the Torez area could then photograph this Buk and its crew on their mobile phones. Yes, even the security of the installation, even if it is entirely from the Right Sector, can also give evidence. It was possible to bring civilian dispatchers who were conducting this flight onto our territory. In the end, it was possible (and necessary) to announce that Russia will pay 10 million dollars to everyone who drags in a real participant in this terrorist act. Then the crests themselves will drag them to our territory. Otherwise the participants themselves would have come running.