"Warsaw at Your Majesty's Feet"

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185 years ago, 8 September 1831, the Russian army under the command of Ivan Paskevich stormed Rebel Warsaw and suppressed an uprising that threatened the Russian Empire with serious geopolitical and strategic complications. The Polish army fled from Warsaw. Soon the remnants of the Polish troops were driven into Austria and Prussia, where they capitulated. Another part of the Polish army was blocked in Modlin and Zamost and surrendered in October 1831.

After the suppression of the uprising, Petersburg began to curtail its liberal policy towards Poland. The Polish constitution of 1815 of the year was abolished. The Russian authorities began a policy of weakening the Polish-Catholic influence on the Western Russian population of the western outskirts of the Russian Empire. This led to the forced dissolution of the Greek Catholic Church in the western provinces and the transition of local communities to Orthodoxy. However, the case was not completed and under Alexander II they again returned to a liberal policy regarding the Kingdom of Poland. The result was sad: in 1863, the Poles revolted again.



The Background of the Uprising

The long conceptual crisis of the Polish statehood and the degradation of the Polish "elite" in the 18th century led to three sections of the Commonwealth between the Kingdom of Prussia, the Russian Empire and Austria (1772 — 1795). The defeat of the Kosciuszko uprising (1794) was the reason for the final liquidation of the Polish-Lithuanian state. October 24 The 1795 of the year was the third section of the Commonwealth. Russia basically returned the West Russian lands occupied by Lithuania and the Poles in the preceding centuries. Prussia and Austria seized territories inhabited by ethnic Poles. In addition, Austria occupied a part of the ancient Russian territories - Galicia (Red Russia).

During the Napoleonic wars, Napoleon Bonaparte briefly restored the Polish state in the form of the Duchy of Warsaw (1807 year), which included Polish lands taken from Prussia and Austria. However, this state formation did not satisfy the ambitions of the Polish "elite", who dreamed of Poland "from sea to sea" with the inclusion of Lithuania and Western Russia. Therefore, Warsaw in the 1812 year announced the restoration of the Kingdom of Poland, which became the most faithful of Napoleon's allies and set up a hundred-thousandth army that fought from the first to the last day of the war. The Poles were the most faithful allies of Napoleon and dreamed with his help to restore the "Great Poland". However, their plans were destroyed by the Russian army.

3 May 1815 The Congress of Vienna approved a new partition of Poland. Krakow became the Free City; Austria received Wieliczka, Great Poland withdrew to Poland, known as the Grand Duchy of Poznan, and a large territory of the former Warsaw Duchy was transferred to Russia and formed the autonomous Kingdom of Poland. The Kingdom of Poland was a state in the status of a kingdom, which was in personal union with Russia. It was a constitutional monarchy, ruled by a two-year Sejm and the king, who was represented by the governor in Warsaw. The kingdom even had its own 30-thousand. army, staffed mainly from veterans of the Polish legions who fought during the Napoleonic wars on the side of France. Moreover, the money for weapons, uniforms and food for this army came not from the treasury of the Kingdom, but from the budget of Russia.

The generals and senior commanders who fought on the side of Napoleon, occupied a prominent position in society and in the future led the uprising against Russia. So, the future dictator of the rebels Joseph Khlopitsky was a member of the Kosciuszko uprising and actively fought for Napoleon. Participated in the campaign of Napoleon in Russia, was wounded in the battle of Borodino. In 1814, Alexander I was accepted into the army of the Kingdom of Poland with the rank of lieutenant general. Mikhail Gedeon Radzivil also fought with Russia during the Kosciuszko uprising, then commanded various Polish units in Napoleon’s Great Army. In the Kingdom of Poland he became a senator and divisional general. During the Polish uprising of 1830, after the resignation of Khlopitsky, Radziwill was elected commander of the Polish forces and led the uprising until the defeat at Grochów. Jan Skrzynetski also served in Napoleon's army and replaced Radziwill as commander-in-chief of the Polish troops. After the defeat at Ostrolenka gave way to Dembinsky. Heinrich Dembinskiy also served in Napoleon’s army and fought with the Russians. Another commander of the Polish troops, Kazimir Malakhovsky, served Napoleon. One of the Warsaw Governor-Generals and Presidents of the National Government during the uprising 1830 — 1831. - Jan Stefan Krukovetsky, participated in Napoleon's campaigns, including the Russian 1812 campaign. He was seriously wounded during the battles near Smolensk. In the Kingdom of Poland he commanded a brigade, then a division. Other Polish commanders who served Napoleon, then held high posts in the Russian Empire, in the Kingdom of Poland or lived in peace, and then came out against Russia, had a similar fate.

The post of deputy governor of the Kingdom of Poland was taken by comrade T. Kosciuszko, divisional general of the French imperial army, Zayonchek, and the commander-in-chief of the Polish army was the brother of the Russian emperor, Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich, after the death of Zayonchek (1826), who also became the governor. Alexander I, with great sympathy for the Polish national movement, gave Poland a liberal constitution. Thus, Emperor Alexander pursued a very liberal policy towards the Poles, who so stubbornly fought with Russia and retained all the prerequisites for a new uprising of the Polish "elite" against the Russian Empire. It is clear that in the West, creating plans for the dismemberment of Russia, they relied on the Polish "elite", which in general was Russophobic.

It should be noted that Alexander's events regarding Poland did not meet with sympathy among sensible Russians. Even the “guardian” and historian Karamzin spoke out sharply. “The king,” he wrote, “corrects the division of Poland by the division of Russia; By this he will cause applause, but he will plunge the Russians into despair; the restoration of Poland will be either the destruction of Russia, or the Russians will irrigate Poland with their own blood and once again take Prague by storm. ”

“At one of the reviews,” Paskevich, who was passing through Warsaw at the time, says in his notes, “I approach the c. Miloradovich and c. Osterman-Tolstoy and I ask: "What will come of this?" Osterman replied: "And this is what will happen - in 10 years you will storm Warsaw with your division." The prediction came true. Thus, it was obvious to many Russians that the liberties of the Kingdom of Poland would eventually lead to a lot of blood. This is what happened.

Already under Alexander the Polish constitution began to limit. But violations of the constitution were not the main reason for the discontent of the Polish "elite" and the educated part of society (that is, the leaders of Polish society). The Poles dreamed of restoring their own state. And within the boundaries of 1772, that is, at the expense of Western Russian lands. Also, the Polish "elite" hoped that "the West will help us." However, once again miscalculated.

It is also worth noting that it was the time of Freemasonry, the Decembrist movement in Russia, the Carbonari in Italy, etc. The kingdom of Poland and the Western Territory were quickly covered with a network of secret societies. The anarchy that ruled Poland for centuries, the right of confederations, giving the appearance of legality to every insurrection, became the political foundation of the movement. The Poles were imbued with an indelible passion for conspiracies and Russophobia caused by the fact that the Western Poles - Poles have long been subjected to conceptual ideological processing (Vatican) and turned into an "anti-Russian ram", directed against the fraternal Slavic (Russian) civilization. Similarly, in the last century, the southern Rus Russians (Ukrainians) have turned other Rus Russians into enemies.

Vilna University and churches were the center of revolutionary ideas in Lithuania, and the Kremenets Lyceum founded by Count Chatsky was in the Ukraine, Volyn and Podolia. The main propagandist in Vilna was a talented professor. stories Lelevel Of course, all this was known to the Russian government, but it either did not take any measures, or the measures only worsened the situation. Since the annexation of Lithuania to Russia by Petersburg, nothing has been done to unite it with the rest of the empire. Lelevel was transferred to Warsaw, where he continued propaganda with even greater success. The July revolution of 1830 in Paris and the August revolution in Brussels only added fuel to the Polish fire.



Milestones of the Polish campaign

The uprising began on November 29. 1830, the performance of the secret gentry military society in the school of Warsaw. The rebels were supported by thousands of citizens who had mastered the arsenal. The rebels killed six Polish generals who remained loyal to the king (including the Minister of War Gauke). Together with the Polish military units that joined, the insurgents of 30 November captured Warsaw. Russian troops left the city, and in early December and the Kingdom of Poland.

The weakness, indecision and pro-Polish moods of Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich played a major role in the success of the uprising at the initial stage. He could suppress the movement in the embryo, but not only did not do this, but also allowed the rebellion to embrace the whole Kingdom. He stated that “any spilled drop of blood will only spoil the cause,” and released the Polish troops who remained loyal to Russia (these selective regiments joined the insurgents); retreated with the Russian detachment through Pulawy to Wlodawa to the confines of the empire and surrendered to the Poles without a fight the fortress of Lublin, which was of great strategic importance; and large artillery stocks, and Zamoć. Thus, the uprising easily spread all over the edge.

December 5 power as a dictator took the protege of the "elite" (gentry-aristocratic) circles, General Y. Khlopitsky. However, he tried to come to terms with Petersburg. Public discontent with the leadership’s passivity and the refusal of Tsar Nicholas I to negotiate led to the collapse of the Khlopitsky dictatorship (January 18, 1831). The Poles formed a coalition National Government headed by Prince A. Chartoryski. It is worth noting that at the beginning of the 19th century, Adam Chartorysky was close to Tsar Alexander I, was part of his “secret committee”, and some held the post of Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Empire. Later, Czartoryski took the post of trustee of the Vilna school district and curator of the Vilna University and with his mother, Isabella, became the secret center of the entire Polish conspiracy. The political representation of the radicals was the Patriotic Society founded in December of 1830. Its president, I. Lelevel, joined the National Government.

However, the government still led by representatives of the gentry elite. As a result, the Sejm rejected the very moderate projects of peasant reform, which alienated the peasant masses from the uprising. Thus, most of the population of the Kingdom became largely a passive observer. At the head of the uprising were gentry and the intelligentsia, an educated part of society, infected by Russophobia and Great Poland sentiments, for the broad masses of the population, the insurrection only led to the deterioration of life, since under Russian rule the material well-being of the country increased significantly.

Warsaw could not get help from abroad. The national government tried unsuccessfully (including with the offer of the vacant Polish crown) to get help from Austria, France and Prussia. However, the Western powers did not dare to support the Poles. In Prussia and Austria feared the spread of the uprising in their territory. Attempts by England and France to interfere with the Russian Tsar Nikolai otmet, declaring that he considers the Polish question internal. France has not fully recovered from the previous shocks. But England could not alone confront Russia.

Entered in early February 1831 in the Kingdom of the Polish Russian army under the command of Ivan Dibich-Zabalkansky moved to Warsaw. After a series of major skirmishes in early February, the Polish army, under the command of Prince Radzivil and General Khlopitsky, retreated to Grokhov’s position, directly covering Warsaw. 13 (25) February, the battle of Grochów took place (under Grokhov). Russian troops attacked frontally without proper communication and interaction, over difficult terrain (numerous rivers, ditches with water, pits and swamps), therefore they could not achieve a decisive victory. After a stubborn battle, the frustrated Polish troops began to retreat to the bridgehead Prague, and from there they pulled across the bridge to Warsaw in complete disarray. Both sides suffered the biggest losses for the entire campaign: Russians - about 9400 people, Poles - about 12 thousand people (according to other sources, Russians - 8 thousand people, Poles - about 10 thousand people).

The retreating Polish troops covered up the Vistula line and the strong fortifications of Prague. The Russian army paid for its tactical success with Grokhov in serious losses and waste of almost all the ammunition. Russian troops did not have the necessary reserves and siege artillery for the assault on Warsaw. The rear was not arranged either - the march was carried out lightly. In this situation, Dibich did not venture to storm the Polish capital and retreated to his supply bases. Thus, the war failed to end with one blow.

In late March - early April 1831, Polish forces achieved a number of successes: an uprising began in Lithuania and the invasion of the Polish corps into Volyn, which complicated the position of the Russian troops. But the mistakes of the new commander of the Polish army, General Jan Skrzynetski, nullified the successes of the Polish troops. 14 (26) May 1831, the battle took place near Ostrolenka. Polish troops suffered a heavy defeat by the Russian Guard and rolled back to Warsaw. Particularly sensitive was for the Polish army the loss of old soldiers, who took the brunt of themselves. However, the Russian commander-in-chief only the next morning sent very insignificant forces to pursue the enemy and thereby lost the ability to completely destroy the Polish army. In addition, three days after the battle, Dibich died of cholera (May 29). Thus, the Russian army for the second time failed to develop an offensive against Warsaw.

In the meantime, Polish forces were defeated in Lithuania. Of all the Polish troops that invaded Lithuania, only one Dembinsky detachment was able to return to Poland. In Volyn, the uprising also failed completely and completely stopped after a large detachment (about 5,5 thousand), under Kolyshko, was defeated by Russian troops of General Roth near Dashev, and then at the village of Maidanek. Thus, the Russian army finally intercepted a strategic initiative.

Ivan Fedorovich Paskevich was appointed the new commander-in-chief of the Russian troops. In the meantime, discord intensified in the Polish camp. The formation of the universal militia failed, as was the attempt of the new offensive. Polish troops again moved to Warsaw. This caused public discontent. The first mutiny arose on June 20, at the news of the defeat suffered by General A. Yankovsky. Under pressure from the crowd, the authorities ordered the arrest of Yankovsky, his son-in-law, General Butkovsky, several other generals and colonels, the chamberlain Fenschau and the wife of Russian general Bazunov. The arrested were placed in the Royal Castle. When news of the transition of the Russian army through the Vistula, unrest began again. Skříniecki resigned, and Warsaw was left without power. On August 15, a mob broke into the Castle and killed the prisoners held there, and then began to kill prisoners in prisons. The next day, General Krukovetsky declared himself the commandant of the city and dispersed the crowd with the help of the troops. He closed the premises of the Patriotic Society and began an investigation. The government resigned. The Sejm appointed Dembinski commander-in-chief, but then replaced him on charges of dictatorial sentiment and re-appointed Krukovetsky.

"Warsaw at Your Majesty's Feet"

Portrait of Ivan Fyodorovich Paskevich. Franz Kruger

19 August, Russian troops began to lay on Warsaw. On the side of the Will, the main forces of the Russian army were located against the city, on the side of Prague - the Rosen Corps. After joining the Russian main army of reinforcements, its forces increased to 78-86 thousand soldiers with 400 guns; in the Polish troops defending Warsaw, there were up to 50 thousand people including the National Guard. The Polish command could not take a general plan of action: Krukovetsky offered to give a decisive battle before the Will with all the available forces, Uminsky to limit himself to the defense of the city, Dembinsky to break into Lithuania. As a result, Uminsky’s proposal was accepted.

September 6 Russian troops stormed took the first line of defense, the western suburb of Warsaw - the Will. The commander of the strengthening of the Will, General Sovinsky, who lost his leg during the Borodino battle, was killed during a fierce assault. Dembinsky and Krukovetsky launched a counterattack, trying to return the first line, but were reflected. On September 7 in the morning at 3 in the Volia, where Paskevich arranged his bid, the envoy of Krukovetsky Prondzinsky appeared and expressed submission to the "legitimate sovereign." But Paskevich demanded unconditional surrender and Prondzinsky declared that he did not have the authority to do so from the Sejm. In Warsaw, a Seym assembled, which struck Krukovetsky and the government with charges of treason. Meanwhile, Paskevich resumed the bombing. The Russian army, having built up in three columns, began an attack. The Poles' counterattack was repulsed with a canister. In 4 hours Russian troops took the second line of fortifications. Paskevich himself was wounded in the arm. After this, Prondzinsky again appeared with a letter from Krukovetsky, stating that he had received the authority to sign the surrender.

Paskevich sent Adjutant-General F. F. Berg to Warsaw, who finally accepted capitulation from Krukovetsky. However, the Sejm did not approve it. The Poles still did not have unity. Krukovetsky brought the remaining troops outside the Vistula, telling the deputies: “save Warsaw — my job is to save the army.” On the morning of September 8, Russian troops entered Warsaw through an open gate. Paskevich wrote to the king: "Warsaw at the feet of Your Majesty."

In early October, 1831 remnants of the rebel detachments crossed the borders of Prussia and Austria, where they surrendered to local authorities. The Modlin and Zamoяa garrisons surrendered on October 8 and October 21. Thus, the rebellion was crushed.


Taking fortifications Will. Painting by Horace Vernet
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  1. +5
    8 September 2016 06: 08
    I really like such a large article, I’ll return to it today, more than once, apparently. Thank you
  2. +7
    8 September 2016 06: 40
    The author, as always, presented the material in detail and interestingly. Those who are little familiar with these events in Russian history received comprehensive information. But a little more it was necessary to explain the reasons for the behavior of Konstantin Pavlovich. After all, he was married to the Polish Countess Grudzinskaya, who carried out "appropriate work" with him ... In addition, Konstantin died in Vitebsk in early June at the height of the uprising.
    1. +3
      8 September 2016 11: 35
      reasons for the behavior of Konstantin Pavlovich. After all, he was married to the Polish Countess Grudzinskaya, who did "appropriate work" with him

      Konstantin Pavlovich took part in the campaigns of Suvorov, who spoke flatteringly about him, received the golden sword "For Bravery" for the Patriotic War of 1812, that is, he was not a coward and he was so henpecked. He was a liberal and his actions in weak resistance to the uprising should, I think, be assessed from this point of view.

      By the way, it was the defense of the rights of Konstantin Pavlovich to the Throne that was a formal occasion the putsch-liberal liberal coup 1825 years when the soldiers shouted: "For Constantine and his wife, the Constitution!"

      However, the Russian commander only the next morning sent very small forces to pursue the enemy and thereby lost the opportunity to completely destroy the Polish army. In addition, three days after the battle, Dibich died of cholera (May 29). Thus, the Russian army for the second time could not develop an attack on Warsaw.

      So there were no forces: the army was terribly weakened cholera epidemic, from which not only many soldiers died, but also Dibich and Konstantin Pavlovich himself. Cholera raged throughout Russia, causing the famous cholera riots.
      1. +2
        8 September 2016 18: 07
        And Konstantin, dear Alexander, does not blame anyone for cowardice. And what indulged the Polish troublemakers, not taking measures of an appropriate nature to them, this is captured in the history of that time ...
  3. +6
    8 September 2016 06: 51
    It’s such a rotten prince Konstantin Pavlovich who needs to chop heads with axes, because until such traitors are in the power of order in Russia, including modern, there will be no.
    1. avt
      +4
      8 September 2016 09: 54
      Quote: Phosgene
      Like this rotten prince Konstantin Pavlovich

      Well, the henpecked man, like Mikhail Raisovich Gorby, did not know that - "peace of mind is more important, and women are the last thing." bully
    2. SMS
      +2
      8 September 2016 10: 51
      You are wrong, unlike today's children of our leaders and olegarchs, Konstantin Pavlovich being the son of Emperor Paul I participated in the Swiss campaign of Suvorov, also took part in the conflict with the French in 1805 and in the Patriotic War of 1812.
      1. +4
        8 September 2016 11: 22
        I believe that in discussing the article a few more words should be added about Paskevich, the Russian commander about whom, in general, relatively little is written.
        He was one of the four full cavaliers of the Order of St. George (Suvorov did not have four degrees) and the only commander - the full cavalier of the orders of St. George and Vladimir ....
        For brilliant victories over the Persians in the Caucasus, Paskevich was elevated to the rank of count and was awarded the honorary prefix Erivansky, which was also one of the highest awards and was accordingly called Paskevich-Erivansky ...
        (as well as, for example, Prince Potemkin - Tauride for the accession of Tauris).
      2. avt
        +1
        8 September 2016 12: 44
        Quote: SMS
        You’re wrong, unlike today's children of our leaders and olegarchs, Konstantin Pavlovich being the son of Emperor Paul I participated in the Swiss campaign of Suvorov,

        Have you read what I mean carefully? Did you even say something about his “parquet” military service?
  4. +2
    8 September 2016 07: 44
    It is very accurately noted by the author that all the fanabery of the Poles * is based * on the support of the British and French. By the way, today the cry - * abroad will help us *, is the basis of the policy of the Poles. Here the owner of the Poles changed, but the ambition remained. Today they are boldly destroying the graves of SOVIET WARRIORS, and RUSSIA is making claims, hoping for impunity.
    1. 0
      8 September 2016 11: 11
      Fortunately, not all. Many simple Poles honor the memory of Soviet Warriors. They are the real, I’m not afraid of the word, Great Poland.
  5. +8
    8 September 2016 07: 49
    What is typical in the Polish territories that were part of Austria and Prussia .. Poles did not rebel ... Austrians and Prussians did not open universities, schools for Poles .. but in the Kingdom of Poland Warsaw University was established in 1816, higher schools were founded: military, polytechnical, forestry, mountainous, institute of public teachers, the number of secondary and primary schools increased. In addition, in 1817 state peasants were freed from many medieval duties. In 1820, corvee was replaced by a quitrent ... But this is for the Poles ... The Constitution, the abolition of serfdom, and for the Russian people ... military settlements ...
    1. +3
      8 September 2016 08: 13
      arrogant Polish gentry has always been corrupt! "Do not do good, you will not get evil"
      1. 0
        8 September 2016 21: 31
        There was no need to go into the German booth with the partitions of Poland - Russia got a border with the "main pacifists" of Europe and sat down on a Polish powder keg.
    2. +4
      8 September 2016 09: 00
      It all started with the invasion of Batu.
      Russian principalities were defeated and were forced to join
      Golden Horde to survive, and the Poles (and Lithuanians) managed to fight back
      and maintained independence. From here began a deep
      split - Russians historically "stuck" to the east, and the Poles to the west.
      Although genetically Russian and Poles are 99% one people.
      1. +7
        8 September 2016 10: 07
        Quote: voyaka uh
        It all started with the invasion of Batu.
        The Russian principalities were defeated and forced to join the Golden Horde in order to survive, and the Poles (and Lithuanians) managed to fight back and remained independent

        Let me remind you: from the point of view of linguistics, concepts such as "Baty" = "Batya" have a clear Russian-speaking origin, and have nothing to do with the Mongolian language, which has a Pamir origin. So talking about some kind of dependence on the "Golden Horde" is simply meaningless, here, on the contrary, independence from the Vatican takes place!
        Now we look at the "Poles (and Lithuanians)" - that some, that others were eventually forced to switch to the use of a foreign, defective for their developed language, the Latin alphabet used in Catholicism, and accordingly change their languages ​​from Russian (before the occupation was both there and there, along with writing). Let's also take into account that absolutely all the "reigning labels" from the "Golden Horde" were Russian-speaking. So, by all indications, the occupation was carried out precisely among the Poles and future Lithuanians, that is, the invasion took place from the west, and not at all from the east, where there was also a kindred people, for example, who later formed the "Empire of the Great Mogul". So, by all indications, only Polish and Lithuanian principalities, that is, just lost their independence.
        1. +1
          8 September 2016 14: 44
          Batu - Batyr which means a hero. It has nothing to do with the Russian Bath. Lie, but do not lie, otherwise it reaches the point of absurdity.
          1. +5
            8 September 2016 15: 49
            He and the invasion of Genghisides occurred from the west, not from the east smile
            why to find fault with trifles ("Dad"). Fomenkovites live on another planet
            in another time negative .
            1. +1
              8 September 2016 16: 34
              we
              Quote: voyaka uh
              and the invasion of the Genghisids happened from the west, and not from the east, why can you find fault with trifles ("Batya")

              You have to find fault, it’s useful - it helps to search for the truth, otherwise traditional disinformation monopoly... So who are these "Chingizids", where did they come from, what they did in Russia, and what else united the disparate tribal unions into one whole. Even the term Genghis Khan is not Mongolian, but a monument to him now stands in Mongolia. In connection with what? And the term Batu is also not of Mongolian origin, well, one cannot deal with such a shameless disgrace. Our common task, on this site, is the search for truth, and not at all a repetition of someone's baseless hallucinations. So in what specific language, from the guaranteed availability at that time (XII century), could this name be formed? Only without traditional inventions, please.
              1. +3
                8 September 2016 22: 52
                The very method of researching history on the phonetic harmony of words is deep
                wrong.
                Example: Moscow city. In Hebrew Mas Kawua
                means "constant tax".
                What is the connection? - and here she is: Mas-Kwa was a border village of the Khazar Kaganate,
                where from merchants, merchants took tax, customs duty. Is it logical?
                By the method of Fomenko - very much. smile
                But in fact - complete nonsense.
          2. avt
            +2
            8 September 2016 17: 01
            Quote: RuslanNN
            It has nothing to do with the Russian Bath. Lie, but do not lie, otherwise it reaches the point of absurdity.

            It comes, well, how
            Quote: RuslanNN
            Batu - Batyr which means a hero.

            wassat That is, the Mongols themselves, and indeed the Turks in general, had no idea to call Genghiside? wassat Like everyone knew that there was a batyr, but could not articulate articulate and that's what they could, it turned out - baty. Powerful. bully Hosh is like a hosh, but the Slavs with the Turks had long been familiar, if only they would have been with the same Khazars. And they cut and were related - comme il faut of that time, so who knew whom and how they called, they knew for sure. Well, the penetration of words into languages ​​has not been canceled. Like Anglo-Americanisms.
        2. +4
          8 September 2016 16: 49
          Let me remind you: from the point of view of linguistics, such concepts as: "Batu" = "Batya"


          Yes Yes! but Mommy = Mommy etc.lol wink
      2. avt
        +6
        8 September 2016 16: 44
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Russian principalities were defeated and were forced to join

        Is it okay that the Russian principalities were cut, according to the "Tale of Bygone Years" in a terrible internecine, practically civil war? So the "Tale" ends - and the death of the Russian Land has come ... "What is typical - about the invasion of the Moabites" - well, no gu-gu. Again, somehow not all were destroyed. The Smolenskys were not touched, they did not go to Novgorod. A-a-a-a-! There are swamps! wassat But byad, that winter, there were severe frosts, well, it was also called the Little Ice Age.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        and were forced to join
        Golden Horde

        What is interesting is not just to survive, but to maintain their faith and almost identity with the state system and traditional government. That's what I understand - the yoke! wassat
        Quote: voyaka uh
        to survive, and the Poles (and Lithuanians) managed to fight back

        Oh yeah! ??? wassat bully It is when ? And most importantly - HOW? How the same Hungarians? Well, when the Mongols, suddenly, "took a passion and flooded to the" Last Sea "and reached the Adriatic ??? And then, somehow, having become passionate, left without any resistance. Although they were already waiting for them near Paris. really fought back - the Mamluks together with the Templars from the "Yellow Crusade" campaign. Maybe you shouldn't write your alternative gishtoria?
        Quote: voyaka uh
        From here began a deep
        split

        Split and really deep and really originally
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Although genetically Russian and Poles are 99% one people.

        mountain-a-azdo began earlier. From the moment of the choice of the STATE religion and was laid by the split of Christianity into the Roman and Byzantine branches. That is from the moment when the Roman priests declared that their Pop No. Once, since the Apostle Peter preached in Rome and he is a “stone” in the foundation of faith. all the others claiming the primacy are heretics, but what is interesting is that to this day they themselves call their opponents orthodox! bully
      3. +1
        8 September 2016 20: 48
        Russian principalities were defeated and were forced to join
        Golden Horde

        Not all Russian principalities were defeated and they NEVER were part of the Golden Horde
        and the Poles (and Lithuanians) managed to fight back
        and maintained independence.
        Just because the Mongols were ALREADY
        weakened by Russia.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        From here a deep split began - the Russians historically "stuck" to the east, and the Poles to the west.


        And where was Christianity in the east? Or is Russia not an Orthodox country?
        1. +1
          8 September 2016 22: 55
          Christianity remained with both Russians and
          Poles - only its different branches.
        2. +2
          8 September 2016 23: 12
          Russians were in the direction of the main blow
          Tatar-Mongols, and Lithuanians and Poles - on the sidelines.
          Technically, Batu could defeat both those,
          but chose to crack down on the strongest army
          Europe at that time - Hungarian.
          Then Batu retreated due to internal political
          reasons. Later against the Lithuanians were sent
          small units with which they coped.
          1. 0
            9 September 2016 00: 11
            The Russian principalities were not part of the Golden Horde; they were its tributaries. Tribute is a parasitic type of economy of Asian nomads.

            In addition, it is useful to understand that from the 12 to the 14 century, there was no single state on the territory of Russia, but there was only a set of independent Russian principalities similar to Germany until the middle of the 19 century. Plus, part of the territories inhabited by Russians temporarily moved to Poland and Lithuania (in which the vast majority of Russians were).

            And only from the 15 century did the Moscow Principality become the center of the formation of a single Russian state - after the 300 years of feudal fragmentation. The single Russian state in the form of a multi-ethnic empire reached its maximum size in the 1914 year - after another 500 years.

            Now it is necessary to form a single Russian state in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus in the form of a mono-ethnic federation (a much more stable formation).
    3. +1
      8 September 2016 11: 12
      It is not in vain said: not a single Good Deed remains unpunished.
  6. +1
    8 September 2016 07: 58
    That's always the case, we treat the Poles humanly, and they always turn their backs, they never remember the good. I propose to establish eternal economic sanctions against Poland. And on these events it would be nice to make a film so that the youth knew what the Poles were like.
  7. +2
    8 September 2016 09: 55
    And it pisses me off that in St. Petersburg there are still streets Kostyush.ko and Gdanskaya.Kostyush.ko --- mostly Khrushchev, in a prestigious place ---- Moskovsky district.Gdanskaya ----- there are "stalinkas" and brick , before these apartments were given to employees of nearby research institutes, a lot of greenery. Both streets, probably the very beginning of the 60s. That would be renamed !!!!!!
    1. SMS
      +2
      8 September 2016 11: 04
      I support! That we do not have our heroes and worthy people, in Soviet times they called the streets a different riffraff like Marx, Engels, Marat, Robespierre, or like in our city of Sacco and Vanzeti. It is definitely necessary to rename!
      1. +2
        8 September 2016 11: 23
        already renamed in Ukraine, and where is Ukraine now! belay
        1. +2
          8 September 2016 14: 02
          I think that the streets named after the USSR in honor of heroic people do not need to be changed, whoever these heroes were. It was a very important time. I regret that everything has changed
          But Polish words are useless if you take into account their behavior over the past year or two
          1. +5
            8 September 2016 14: 38
            Are Russophobes Marx and Engels heroic people? You have a strange concept about heroism - look at your leisure what they wrote about Russia and Russians ....
            True in the USSR, these statements, for ideological reasons, were carefully hushed up .....
            And remember other heroes, for example, Yankel Sverdlov - "a true folk hero, he left a" good "memory of himself ...
            1. +1
              8 September 2016 19: 16
              There is an expression ----- "hero. Works" ". A hero of our time". This is what I meant. Heroes of our country. This is our history. And you can’t forget it. Otherwise, on the same rake .... When I drive through along the Sverdlovsk embankment, I always remember the 2 volumes of Sverdlov, published in the early 60s. And in the preface it was written that it is now very important to study his legacy. That he lived so little, but did so much .. Maybe Khrushchev prepared for us. Yes, we did not know .... Well, about this 2-volume book. I already remembered here several times. And I am glad that the sinister did not live long, they killed him when I was traveling on the train, that's what I think on the Sverdlovsk embankment, we need to remember everything, not change the name is too stuffy. I regret that there are no streets Stalin. Our country - names are our history. And what about the Poles?
              1. +1
                8 September 2016 19: 20
                Or Kosygin Square. Why should it be renamed? Because the USSR?
                1. +3
                  8 September 2016 20: 02
                  Have you ever heard that someone demands to rename Kosygin Square, we are talking about ghouls.
              2. +2
                8 September 2016 20: 00
                So about the Sverdlovsk embankment is not clear, change or not? the wickedness was rare.
                1. 0
                  8 September 2016 20: 23
                  Let there be this embankment, there is another parallel here. On this embankment there are very good houses by socialist standards, the socialist elite received, as we would say now, kind apartments. Although it was far from the subway.
                  Why about Kosygin Square? And it is very close to the Sverdlovsk oh embankment. And everyone thinks about evil ones.
                  And I read Sverdlov’s 2 volume. His words are horror. When he was traveling on the train, he tried to cover his face. But there is an opinion that he was recognized by soldiers or sailors. And then he began to complain that he had caught a cold, but it turned out - --- beatings. Why from afar with corn ------ I can not understand. In a super cover. And photos.
                  1. +2
                    8 September 2016 20: 31
                    As for Yankel Movshevich, we all think alike, the common wickedness. We will not go further into this topic, after all, an article about a military general. All the best.
          2. +3
            8 September 2016 14: 55
            In Soviet times, all these Polish characters that annoy you so much were heroes — they were fighters against tyranny (Russian), freedom fighters.
            The Russian liberal community of those years also applauded them, Paskevich was poisoned, rejoiced at the failures of the Russian army, and helped the rebels.
            Times are changing, the concepts of heroic people are changing, from mud to riches, and vice versa.
  8. +1
    8 September 2016 10: 41
    It was not necessary to include Polish lands in Russia, to limit oneself only to Belarusian ones. And to keep the Polish lands as a colony, with increased taxes.
    On the whole, the inclusion of many lands in the territory of the empire overwhelmed it with busoters.
  9. 0
    8 September 2016 11: 55
    thanks for the flock ... it was necessary to give Prussia to Poland let them suffer
  10. +1
    8 September 2016 14: 06
    It would be better if they took the Western Ukrainian lands, Lviv and others there, where they carried out the corresponding work on Russification. And Poland didn’t give Berlin and Vienna, let everyone be happy talking in German.
  11. 0
    18 February 2017 17: 16
    How much Polish girls are welcome! Lithuanian princes, French kings and Napoleon, the Swedish king, Russian tsars and Grand dukes, that's what a misfortune.